In the debate where he made 33 false claims, Trump promised to prosecute his opponent for lying too much.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) October 10, 2016
Trump: i want to jail my opponent
pundits: he seemed more focused
— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) October 10, 2016
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This particular stunt got a little lost in today’s commentary, but the professionals agree it’s literally one for the history books…
Trump threatened to throw Clinton in jail. He threatened to name a prosecutor to investigate her. WHY ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ANYTHING ELSE?
— Michael Cohen (@speechboy71) October 10, 2016
Trump says to Clinton, if he was in charge, “you’d be in jail.”
This is an overt subversion of democracy. It is very hard to overstate this
— Max Fisher (@Max_Fisher) October 10, 2016
Trump's pledge to jail Clinton – which Pence just defended today – was literally one of the articles of impeachment against Richard Nixon: pic.twitter.com/CjTbC8OHGz
— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) October 10, 2016
We're the people who've studied how other governments work – and how they fail. And when we see the early warning signs, you should too. /2
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) October 10, 2016
Think of political scientists this morning as oncologists who've just told you that they don't like the looks of that lump on your neck. /4
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) October 10, 2016
I want you to imagine what Trump's media would say if Hillary promised to investigate and jail Trump.
— Rick Wilson (@TheRickWilson) October 10, 2016
Trentrunner
Rebecca Traister’s appearance on Chris Hayes’ All In was cathartic and something of a revelation to me.
The lead-up to last night’s debate (Trump’s photo-op with Clinton Accusers Panel) just made me feel terrible and, literally, dreadful.
I felt lousy, too all the way through the debate (pretty much), and Traister explained why:
We were watching the ritualistic humiliation of the first major party woman candidate for president, humiliation as a woman.
Trump’s parading that woman’s husband’s sex accusers like it was the wife’s failing is deeply retrograde but stirs something atavistic in us. It gave Trumpers a misogynist boner while it made the rest of us queasy and disgusted.
Trump is abominable in literally dozens of ways, but that stunt he pulled last night–a sexual exploiter exploiting women who feel sexually exploited, for his own political gain–was the lowest he’s gone.
Trentrunner
Here’s the All In piece with Traister. She’s riveting in it.
hellslittlestangel
@Trentrunner:
Attempted humiliation. And it was about as successful as Trump Steaks.
? Martin
@hellslittlestangel: No, it was humiliating. Clinton didn’t dare show it, but it was. It was humiliating for the country.
Gravenstone
Bryant!
Trentrunner
Getting ready to watch Full Frontal w/Samantha Bee (Pacific time) and hoping that will prove cleansing after last night. :)
Keith P.
@Trentrunner: It drives me nuts that he keeps claiming that Hillary “viciously” attacked these women, but he never actually says how. The closest I’ve ever heard was this evening where a supporter said that she threatened Juanita Broadrick. But I’m not seeing how that’s even more vicious than what Bill was accused of. I’m not even sure Trump himself knows what the “attack” was, but he’d have to be interviewed somewhere other than Fox for anyone to have a chance to ask him.
Trentrunner
@Keith P.: You can look up Hillary’s alleged “threatening” of Broaddrick. It’s a nothingburger. The only other “attack” I’ve found is HRC calling Monica “looney tunes” in a PRIVATE conversation.
Calming Influence
I hadn’t seen Traister before; she was dead on.
Suzanne
@Trentrunner: Back in 2008, after HRC lost the primary, I made the (totally obvious) assertion that if/when she ran again, she would face sexism that would be mind-blowing, equally wretched—if not more so—than the racism BHO faces. Then the GOP went and nominated the scum,of the fucking earth. I literally had no idea it would come to this. I thought “iron my shirt” and “cankles” and “pantsuits” and “her voice is shrill”would be the tenor. But this election has just completely blown me away. I really don’t know if I have ever felt more hated just for being a woman (of average appearance) than I have this year.
Wally Ballou
Cubs/Giants G3 is a dandy. 5-5 in the 9th.
wenchacha
I predict the GOP bros have already pledged to block POTUS HRC’s every initiative, same as with that first man, but not-white POTUS. I hope the GOP is walloped in the elections, and that HRC pounds them relentlessly once she is sworn in.
Trentrunner
@Suzanne: I’m guessing that the Obama-directed racism 2007-2016 (and counting) is a good model for what we have seen and will continue to see thrown at Hillary.
Just allow for the fact that misogyny is more widespread and superficially accepted than racism.
Gonna be a rough 4-8 years.
Mart
I live in a very conservative suburban neighborhood, (a mistake moving here but that is another story). Good friends 50th birthday so some friends and family gather for dinner. From 28 to 60 they all agreed the best moment of the night was when Trump said she would be in jail when he is president. HIGH FIVE! I mentioned, you know, that I found that frightening, you know rule of law and all. Apparently I am a pussy and a liberal or both. Thankfully I was not grabbed in the crotch.
Peale
@Trentrunner: yep. But put this in perspective. It would be a disasterous 8 years were Trump elected. So I’m not going to get down over the fact that Hillary isn’t going to unite the country.
JosieJ (not Josie)
@Trentrunner:
But not nearly as rough as it would be under Trump, so there’s that.
ETA: or what Peale said!
trollhattan
@wenchacha:
Hilz will hit the office waaaay better connected than Barry Bamz, and I guess she’ll do some early nutting to get the Republican House’s full attention. Today, at least, I believe the Senate flips.
Trentrunner
God, of course, yes, HRC over Trump. By “rough,” I meant the same way that Obama’s term has been rough. The ugly poison of misogyny will come to the surface and have to be drained. Last night was a perfect example.
(Btw, EVERYONE should watch tonight’s Full Frontal. Sam Bee is on fire about Trump and the GOP. Also funny as hell, as usual.)
Lizzy L
@wenchacha: Which is one big reason why we need to take back the Senate and shift the House if we can. GOTV.
danielx
@Suzanne:
Aaaaa-men! I have thrown down my crutches and walked, praise gawd! In all seriousness, kinda sorta, it was to be expected. I say that as a card carrying WASP, except they don’t have a check box for IDs that says Episcopalian – yet. But there are a lot of people out there who have been pissed since 2008. They acted like they had caught rabies when a black man moved into the White House, and he didn’t have to deal with a whole cottage industry that had been devoted to destroying him for twenty years. Now they are expected to be civilized towards a woman they detest? These humans have been primed for decades to listen to any conspiracy theory about Hilary Clinton, no matter how preposterous.
it’s tempting to think they are sincere in what drives them, but….no.
Fuck them.
Sooner or later, if the issue is important enough, somebody’s sincerity of motives in supporting someone or something don’t matter any more if that entity they support is evil enough.
Mart
@danielx: Yea, Fuck Them. Friends in Texas July 4rth chanting Trump, Trump, Trump to punch this hippie – they treat him like a conservative Messiah. There is nothing you can say to make them second guess this fascist peace of shit. I am thinking of retiring at 58, moving to a van down by the river, and shutting down. Do not know how to deal with people so influenced by intellctual giants like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Jones, the self hating Jew, and everyone at Brietbart. At tonight’s birthday party they said nobody ever said Trump was a racist until Hillary came along. I mentioned his ad to fry the Central Park 5 who were DNA exonerated, started off campaign with Mexicans are racists, alt right love fest, bitherism and so on. They said allegedly to all of that. No racism here. These are nice folks, two couples have small business’ and have several black employees. (Not that you always want to hear what they say about them.) Propaganda works so well on so many.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mart: Irredeemable scum. The lot of them.
Anne Laurie
@Calming Influence:
She’s doing great reports at NYMag‘s The Cut, and her tweetstream is informative too.
piratedan
@Suzanne: and that makes it that much more imperative that we flip the fucking HOUSE THIS year, else we’ll fall back into the damn pattern of Dems not showing up in off year elections. This is going to sound bad, but I am going to say it anyway. Being this pissed off about politics is incredibly exhausting. I really don’t understand how the wingnuts do it. I mean they are pissed off perpetually all the time. I have a life to live, kids to spend time with, groceries to buy and cars that need repairs and yard work to do. In between all of that, I try to stay informed and I understand how difficult it is to do that and for a goddamn change (because I would really prefer to be a happy lazy bastard and that makes me selfish, so yes..) I would like my politicians to be competent and get shit done. To me, I would rather pay more in taxes and have shit that works. I’d also like to be a damn sight more fair to everyone, simply because its the right thing to do.
Fix the health care law
fix the shit that is breaking down
refund the schools
refund the scientists
keep the air, water and soil clean
keep toxins out of my food
and maybe do some cool and nifty space stuff
and maybe stop bombing brown people as much as we can
? Martin
@wenchacha: Yeah, perhaps. But the GOP blew off the last analysis of their loss, and look where its left them.
I think the answer lies in who is actually in control of the party in a month. Right now it’s the Trump loyalists, and not the so-called GOP adults. If it remains the Trump loyalists, then yeah, it’ll be worse. It’ll be 4 years of conspiracy theories about ACORN and how the election was stolen because nobody in their AR-15 circle jerk was for Clinton.
If, however, the leadership can find it in their soul to take the next two years to purge the party of the Trump loyalists, then they can’t go all-in against Clinton. They’ll have to work with her, they’ll have to show *something* to those that left the party to win them back. Immigration reform would be an obvious start.
Personally, I think the GOP is fucked. I don’t think they have the courage to turn the party around and I think they’re going full-on far-right nationalist. That’s where they are now with Trump, and he seems to have about ⅔ of the party. They may hold on this election but they’re going to be fucking terrified of the next primary. They spent 30 years demagoguing the Clintons, they sure as shit won’t be able to correct that in the next 18 months.
? Martin
@piratedan: Considering that about 35% of the country is looking for a low-grade dictator, I think that’s really at the top of the list of what needs to get worked on. These people live in an alternate reality where they are knocking on the door of violence as being an appropriate political outlet. If Trump doesn’t stand down after losing, if he goes out there and declares the election stolen, that Clinton should be locked up, there’s a real chance that organized violence emerges.
Toxins in your food may be the least of our worries come February.
Lizzy L
@? Martin: I think you’re right — the GOP is fucked. Look at the way the leadership (yeah – no) is responding to Trump. Look at Cruz. They’ve got nothing else to offer, they only have Trump. Four years of complete gridlock and rants; unless we take the Senate and House back and get some shit done.
Peale
You know, I’m not one for political stunts. They reek of desperation and Clinton doesn’t need them right now. But reading Heather Mac defending Donald Trump because “Beyoncé is crass so liberals are hypocrites” reminds me that they absolutely hate hate hate her. If B was game, I’d like Hillary to announce that she’s thinking of nominating her for homeland security, putting her in charge of all those border patrol officers. I just would like the next few weeks for the complete meltdown to begin.
Chris T.
Perhaps we should ask “Why do Republicans want to put lead back in our water? Is it because brain damage leads to Republicanism? More lead = more Republican power tomorrow?”
/snark (I think…)
Ruckus
@? Martin:
They lack far more than the courage to turn it around. They are so lost and being guided by such fucking morons that I don’t think it can ever be turned around. This probably is not the end of the party, but it should be. Unfortunately it really isn’t a political party any more, it is a grifting operation, fueled by bigotry, faux religions and economic destruction. There are too many hands out and too many providing them money for them to walk or run away, let alone turn it around. It is the world’s largest con, but it has yet to be seen that way by the believers and until it is, there is no stopping it or turning it around. And those believers have been conned because of their hate and desire to control everyone else and that isn’t going away any time soon so the con will continue. I’m not sure how this ends but I am sure it doesn’t end easy or well.
Villago Delenda Est
I think (and hope) that the bark of these would be stormtroopers is far worse than any bite they can come up with. Those of them who have actually tried armed rebellion have failed miserably at it against civilian law enforcement. Heaven help them if it comes down to actually call in the Army to suppress a rebellion. They wouldn’t last long against the National Guard, let alone regulars.
And their leadership is made up of self serving grifting assholes who will sell them out in a heartbeat.
NotMax
@Martin
We can be more than reasonably confident the Bundys won’t be parachuting in to disrupt HRC’s inauguration.
Mai.naem.mobile
I don’t know what happened to the required US Govt class high schools offer but I really think people do not understand the basics of the American system of government. I had a few people who during the Republican primary thought that Hillary was going to win and become president or that Trump was going to become president. Forget about filibusters and cloture and more complicated person. I know people who actively don’t listen to the news so they’re completely uninformed.
Mothra
@Trentrunner: That seems right- today around noon I kept playing the way he stood next to her and made that
self righteous speech over in my head and it completely overwhelmed me with anger.
Today I saw a videoclip of Chelsea the moments before the debate started and she looked almost panicked for a fraction of a second. Here’s the worst part of her life dredged up and her family under seige AGAIN.
And over and over again the accusers are vicious hypocrites. They can’t even be bothered to find someone to persecute her who has not done exactly the same thing in their own marriage, because it’s the process of humiliation that matters. Not the actual offense or alleged offense.
jl
@Ruckus: Few politicians have the courage to kiss at least half of their most loyal primary voters goodbye. I suppose people like Kasich, awful as the guy is, showed some kind of courage during the primary. If the guy didn’t have a history as a DC GOPer in pwoer, he and his campaign would have been ridiculed when it was not ignored. What good did it do? Not one bit. Not enough of the GOP primary faithful are buying, and even by some miracle a non-Trumper got past the primary, they need their faithful base to win national office.
What we have to watch for is a smooth Trumper, with the political shrewdness that GW can manage. I do hope Trump does try to go off on some media/political grifter operation if he loses. A wounded GOP is still dangerous, and needs to be completely shattered. Maybe Trump’s plans to milk this politics thing as thoroughly as he can will help with that. I hope so.
On the other hand, maybe after Trump has given the mob the straight up crazy juice, there is no going back. And a Trumper in GW clothing would too ‘cuck’ and meek and mild for them. GW is friendly with ‘those’ people on a personal level even if his policies are deadly. I hear he has some kin who have intermarried with some Mexican and he still pals around with them. Rumors are he and Michelle Obama get along. Pretty suspicious. Doesn’t rate as a real white man anymore. Trump brought this shit out into the open. Might be no putting it back for quite awhile.
Lizzy L
@Mothra: Yes. The humiliation of that press conference was enormous — and she withstood it. The woman is a gladiator, a warrior.
Villago Delenda Est
@Peale: I think Hillary is saving her best stuff for the final debate. After all, the third act is the decisive one. She was very clearly conducting a holding action in the second debate, and Donald unleashed all the Arkansas Project garbage he could possibly throw in the first fifteen minutes, and it rolled off her back. If she was humiliated, it did not show. She and Bill went around and worked the room after the debate…Donald high-tailed it with his protective cocoon of children and straphangers.
Peale
@NotMax: I actually wouldn’t mind seeing them try to parachute. It would be fun to watch them get all tangled up with each other and plummeting to their deaths. Anderson Cooper could report. We could make “As god is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly” jokes for a good few weeks. Until the millennials reminded us how lame our cultural references are.
jl
Trump promise to appoint a special prosecutor AND make sure he got a conviction was chilling. Need a list of all media idiots who try to shrug it off or horse race it, in order to try to make them explain what the hell they were thinking (assuming they do that anymore).
Trump’s stalking was bizarre and disturbing, especially days after the rapey brags. But you saw him doing the same thing with his fellow GOP primary contestants in a far milder form. Wonder if he would have tried similar absurd but also nasty and ugly displays of dominance during the primary if he had started losing badly. Walk over and stand paunch to paunch with Christie or something and try a stare-off. I think the creepy debate stalking was a conscious, and stupid stunt. Trump and his handlers can’t understand the freak shows that worked in front of GOP primary audience are going to bomb in the general.
hueyplong
Giants win. Now 10-0 in elimination games under Bochy.
amk
@jl: ted crud was that smooth trump and got his ass kicked. the trogdolytes want donnie dick desperately because they realize he is their last chance. there aren’t any more trumps, smooth or not, out there to choose as their dear leader.
Brachiator
@Keith P.:
This is birtherism 2.0. Trump makes up a lie, or runs with one in general circulation, and the constant repetition leads people to assume that there might be something there.
The press and too many people keep falling for this.
And according to various news stories, Trump is running hard on this lie right now during Pennsylvania campaign stops.
RaflW
@Keith P.:
Propaganda requires no basis in fact, nor does it require any detailed and specific accusations. It only has to work on the intended audience. We are not the intended audience.
Trump and his sr. staff — including many of his adult family — are often clumsy, are lying sacks of shit, but they are fairly effective propagandists for the base that wants what they are spoon feeding them.
Thankfully that appears to be well less than a winning percentage of voters. But we have to be very careful in the years ahead. He is showing some more astute and capable bad people what might be possible with better packaging & (far) less of a trail of media-ready sleaze and malfeasance.
jl
@amk: Thanks, good point. And, as amazing and unimaginable as it may be to Ted Cruz, in some ways he is not nearly as shrewd and politically smart as Dub. Certainly can’t pull the beer buddy vote like Dub could. Good evidence the GOP primary base will demand hate and bitterness freaks with self control issues from now on.
Ruckus
@jl:
I don’t want to put it back in it’s not so little bottle. That just lets it age a bit till next time. But the only side that can fix this is the conservative side and that side has never been one to look at it’s policies or direction and see any fault. Conservative dogma has no introspection. None, zip, nada, aucun, it is not allowed to question the righteousness of it. Buckley was this way, conservatives back in the founding days were like this. And that will stop any change dead in it’s tracks, especially without leadership. After all that’s what conservatism is all about, not allowing change and when that happens, to be conservative one must regress.
And what passes for leadership in the republican party these days is Trump. Isn’t that a fun thought? Who else is going to step up? A Bush? Newt? Pence? Any of the rest of the 17 losers? They have no one, which is one reason we are where we are today.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Peale: If only the millennials knew the joy of WKRP in Cincinnati.
Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck
@Suzanne:
This is about what I was expecting. Obama, being a scary black man, got a unified, fanatical resistance. Hillary, being a ‘weak and vulnerable’ woman, is getting direct insults and threats. She’s not getting the same kind of absolute, no-compromise, totally united opposition Obama has gotten. I hope the Secret Service has their A game on, because I expect more assassination threats, real and fake, than Obama got. Plus, she has to deal with all this on top of the insanity stirred up by eight years of conservatives seething that a black guy beat them.
@Villago Delenda Est:
Donald hasn’t been squealing like a stuck pig, so he doesn’t feel like he was humiliated in this debate like the first one. On the other hand, I don’t see the increase of confident aggression I would expect if he thought he’d won. I think he’s nervously trying to figure out how the Hell he could unload every weapon he’s got on Hillary, all his reality show slime and Breitbart conspiracy accusations, and it bounced off. Neither Hillary nor the country gave a damn. That was it. Those were his best shots, the only ones I was even slightly worried might have an effect.
? Martin
@Ruckus: I think the problem isn’t the GOP elected officials, to be honest. I’ve had surprisingly cogent conversations with guys like Rohrbacher. He knows what’s going on – he’s not clueless. But he’s also trapped, and he’s admitted to me that a lot of Republicans are trapped (some are true believers).
The problem is that the voters are disconnected from reality. The GOP went from a legitimate party of ideas (bad ideas, but ideas nonetheless) to the party of personal destruction – birtherism, conspiracy theories, and so on. That exploded with talk radio and then again with the internet, and the GOP turned a blind eye to the accumulated damage of having the party of Idiocracy because they were easy to manipulate into voting the GOP into power. But between the pre-existing racism getting the opportunity to metastasize with Obama in office, and the accumulated shit from the previous Clinton efforts – it seems to have all come together in a perfect storm of derp that has drowned out any policy, any reasoning, any actual consideration of what the nation needs.
How do you deal with that? I don’t know that you can other than to just excise them from the party entirely – or to just start a new party.
BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: Ted Cruz has really big problem, nobody likes him. The more you get to know him, the less you like him
RaflW
@Suzanne: Oh, god. “Cankles”.
Those were such the innocent days of misogyny.
RaflW
@BillinGlendaleCA: Oh, Cruz. Always wears thos Men’s Wearhouse dark, ill fitting suits.
Probably because he has cankles.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus: My Republican friend wants another St. Ronnie. Maybe they can go out to Simi and dig up ol’ Ronnie and reanimate him.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck: He might try to bring in Benghazi family members in for the 3rd debate.
jl
@Pest Bog Mummy, Frakensteinbeck:
” She’s not getting the same kind of absolute, no-compromise, totally united opposition Obama has gotten. ”
Not sure I buy the comparison. President Obama versus candidate HRC? I agree that the GOP can’t be so crudely sexist against HRC as they were racist against Obama. Too many women voters.
But I think they will try to sting out the ridiculous obstructionism for another four years with an HRC admin if they hold the Senate. I don’t have time to find it now, but read a news article a couple of weeks ago about Senator floating a trial balloon on reasons why HRC SCOTUS nominees should be stonewalled too. Yeah, sure, that is nuts, but they will try stunts like that.
piratedan
If we want to tear down the hate, then we need to find a way to dismantle the machine that keeps feeding it…
The media arms… places like Fox, Breitbart, Drudge.. how do you dismantle or better yet, find a way to simply marginalize them? Plus you have Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones, out there distorting everything in almost every way, every damn day.
The pulpit – It seems that our congregations have been essentially taken over by either the profit pulpit or those that are members of the cult of the fetus.. How do Christians allow these folks to dictate the messages of the bible. Thing is, there are oodles of congregations out there that do not subscribe to this bullshit… the problem is, they are not the folks that the media (see above) choose to intertwine with.
I know that we can legislate some sanity back into our gun laws… but there are other concerns, how do we turn around law enforcement to stop being the de facto jury when dealing with minorities?
schools, we have to stop the pipeline of political indoctrination in our schools. You can already see it taking place with the charter schools and private schools and feeding into the religiously themed higher education entities.
sigaba
@BillinGlendaleCA:
See like, if I were running his nonsense, I’d go to them FIRST, not Bill’s Black Book. But Idunno, can’t figure these people out.
Peale
@? Martin: pay Iowan legislators $2 million a piece to vote to move their caucus to June and make Texas, New York and California primaries January 15. Make their candidates have to appeal to a different audience than white hicks. And make it expensive enough that the billionaires can’t just float a hobby candidate. Won’t fix the problem of a “colorful” candidate like Trump gaining traction with free media in the expensive markets, but the ditching the idea that the first primaries need to be in small rural states might change who makes it out of them.
sukabi
@Trentrunner: lowest he’s gone SO FAR.
I have no doubt that he’s capable and willing to dig that hole much, much deeper.
sigaba
Your moment of Zen, Psalm 53 in Aramaic.
Mai.naem.mobile
Glenn Beck just endorsed Hillary Clinton. Maybe Utah and Texas will go blue!
Frankensteinbeck
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Not lurid enough. Doesn’t make the same kind of spectacle. Plus, some are on record as mad as shit the GOP is disrespecting their loss with these conspiracies. It just doesn’t have the Jerry Springer effect of women Bill cheated on Hillary with. (Note that whether Bill succeeded in getting sex is irrelevant for the tawdriness or the insult.)
mike in dc
@jl:
We’re going to have to nuke the filibuster across the board, plus Senate holds, and we’ll have to streamline the rules to stymie R attempts at procedural delays as well. If we have both houses of Congress and we actually want to enact policy, we’re going to have to render the opposition completely incapable of stopping us procedurally. It also happens to be the only way to steer them towards bipartisanship(well, if we can hold the majority in a midterm, then they will be forced to make concessions in order to even remain politically relevant). It’s unfortunate in some ways, but to me it seems absolutely the inevitable outcome/result of a long term obstructionist strategy.
Ruckus
@? Martin:
But that is my point, conservative policy is crap, has always been crap. Just because a nice person believes it doesn’t make it better. The “good ones” are trapped in a party of their own making. Maybe not directly but they did nothing to stop it. Just like so many republicans are turning on Trump, this week. Where have they been for the last few months? Trump didn’t change he’s always been like this. They haven’t changed, they’ve always been like this. And they aren’t trapped, it’s not a prison sentence, John walked away, they can as well if they thought the party had screwed them. They didn’t/don’t think that or they would have left it. None of them can change it, it has gathered too much speed, in the same direction it’s always been going. I’m not sure even any of the “good ones” want to change it, for sure none of them seems to have tried.
@BillinGlendaleCA:
We already saw him reanimated. No thanks.
amk
As much as the gop establishment rethugs are to be blamed for the rise of teabaggers, alt-reich thugs and donnie dick, let’s not forget that the dems and the left had enough power to stop them or at least stem their flow in 2010, 12 and 14 and didn’t do it. 2010 must rank the year of dems political stupidity.
sukabi
@Villago Delenda Est: they’d be sending out pleas for snacks and supplies …like the bumbling bundys.
sigaba
@Mai.naem.mobile:
You’re fucking kidding me. Oh, you’re not.
Ruckus
@amk:
You can’t stop a train wreck unless you are driving the train and sometimes not even then.
The best you can do is get out of the way or not be on the train. And that doesn’t mean it won’t be messy. And that’s what today’s republican party is, a train wreck. It’s Casey Jones on meth with no brakes and a stuck throttle.
rachel
@Mai.naem.mobile: Waaa…!? OK, I need a link before I’ll believe that.
NotMax
@Ruckus
Except a train follows a known, predictable, extant route.
Think more like bumper cars, where a random number of them have a shell composed of nitroglycerin.
Ruckus
It’s way past bed time. I get up in six hrs for work and the neighbors are playing some sort of el destructo movie way too loud. I’m afraid to pound on the wall, I’ll either put my fist through it or hurt my hand. Neither one seems satisfying.
Caravelle
Have you guys seen the #NoDownTicket hashtag ?
It makes me giddy with hope, although I think it’s likely those people’s hatred of Democrats will make them think better of it in the end, enough that it won’t affect the larger numbers.
Wait, do you think they might be reading ? What I meant was, ahem ahem : As a liberal, I really commend the GOP leadership for standing strong for democracy against the empty threats of those deplorables. Keep it up, GOP establishment !
sigaba
@rachel: To be fair, Glenn’s argument boils down to: “Vote for Hillary because they’re both totalitarians, but she’d be an easier one to overthrow.”
sukabi
@Villago Delenda Est: pretty sure who he did humiliate was his daughters, Ivanka looked shaken, uncomfortable, sad…I was under the impression that she and Chelsea were friends…blew that up. Tifany weathered the night better, but pretty sure she doesn’t have much to do with drumpf, except to perfect her avoid the perv move.
Ruckus
@NotMax:
Yes, it is supposed to.
But train wrecks don’t stay on the rails, just like the republican party. It’s not a train wreck about to happen, it’s way past the “Oh Holy Shit” stage, the train just hasn’t stopped hitting stuff and running over stuff and causing a shit tonne of damage.
Anne Laurie
@RaflW:
Knobby knees, I’m guessing, and surprisingly hairless calves.
(I’ve seen waaay too many men wearing kilts who didn’t understand why they’re commonly accessorized by thick cable-knit knee-highs… with a dagger tucked into them.)
Peale
@Caravelle: I too support the GOP establishment in Washington. I don’t think they should be punished.
philadelphialawyer
@sigaba: Doesn’t sound like an endorsement of Hillary to me. More like a renunciation of Trump.
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He doesn’t want either Clinton or Trump to win…but can live with the consequence of dumping Trump being a Clinton victory. Nowhere does he say that he is voting for Clinton nor that he thinks anyone else should either.
Patricia Kayden
@Mart: The audience applauded when Trump made the threat about jailing her. Says a lot about the state of mind of too many voters.
Calming Influence
@Anne Laurie: @Anne Laurie: Thanks, now following.
Calming Influence
And what the hell, if we’re going to elect a dictator can’t we do better than Donald Fucking Trump?!? Come on America, we’re #1! USA! USA!
rikyrah
@Trentrunner:
Thanks for this
Knight of Nothing
@Trentrunner: you’ve written a great summary of the video clip from the show, which I didn’t see until you pointed it out. Thank you!!
Unfortunately, it looks like viewing it requires a subscription to a cable/satellite provider, so it can’t be widely shared easily. That’s too bad, because I think it would help advance the conversation about what happened on Sunday in a meaningful way.
Knight of Nothing
@sigaba: it’s gotta be the Mormon in him.
SFAW
@Chris T.:
Too late for that, they’ve already accomplished most of their goal by defunding and demonizing public education over the last 35-plus years. Because an educated “consumer” is anathema to them.
The Flint thing (et al.) is just a victory lap for them, or perhaps a “we’re doing this because we can, so fuck you” thing
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Suzanne: “I will jail my opponent” goes way beyond sexism. That’s banana republic territory.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@sigaba: I think his real argument is “Trump wants religious persecution and we Mormons know were on the list”
Uncle Cosmo
@BillinGlendaleCA: James T. Patterson said of Tom Dewey, “You really have to get to know him to dislike him.” For Cruz, a distant exposure is enough.
Suzanne
@Enhanced Voting Techniques: Oh for sure. I just expected sexism and bullshit. I did not expect that they would actually nominate a dude who grabs women “by the pussy” and may literally be a rapist. Like I said, I expected it to be awful. I just didn’t expect this staggering degree of awful.
Walker
The problem is that this racism and misogyny has been completely normalised by the media. We really need to be calling the media out on this. I don’t understand why anyone with remotely Democratic leanings is not regularly calling Tweety a misogynist to his face.
Barbara
@Mothra: I didn’t watch it in real time but I played the parts of it where the camera picked up on him standing behind her and even I was surprised how creepy I found it. Especially when he put his hands in his belt. It actually made my skin crawl.
Barbara
@sigaba: He brought them to the convention, and then he actually started tweeting and calling into news organizations as one of the mothers was speaking, so he upstaged her and then wondered why no one was talking as much about her as the Khans.
opiejeanne
@Ruckus: Casey Jones was trying to stop a train wreck. There was another train on the line where there shouldn’t have been: “Boy, you’d better jump ’cause there’s two
locomotives that’s a going to bump!”
JR in WV
@Mai.naem.mobile:
Glenn Beck endorsed Hillary, an confirmed Methodist ???
Oh my Dog, there went a flight of PIGS in formation, right over the house !!!!
;-{)
louc
@? Martin: An oldy but goody. How Fox News unwittingly destroyed the Republican Party