… the record, or my lyin’ ego?
First three fully post-debate national polls have Clinton +5, +4, +3. So I'll daringly assert she might settle into a 3-5 point nat'l lead.
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) September 29, 2016
Someday we’ll all get tired of mocking the Debacle, but zingers like “Trump’s face looked like someone making a fist inside a sock puppet” are too good not to share…
Also, because this is 2016, the wearing of clothes seems to have become an election meme:
What’s on the agenda for the new day?
raven
60 degrees in Athens!
Schlemazel
@raven:
44 here on the tundra!
Baud
Based on their convention, I assume the naked voters are all voting libertarian.
About that, apparently Gary Johnson was a disaster last night on MSNBC.
raven
@Schlemazel: Wow! It’s actually warmer in Chicago right now, 64.
tybee
@raven:
76 on de island, mon.
TS
@Baud:
Apparently his knowledge of world leaders is two ranks below Palin’s knowledge on the same topic.
MattF
OT, something entirely not-Trump to share before setting out for work. Via languagehat, this very odd, long multi-year shaggy dog anecdote. I’ll have to read it again in the not too distant future to decide whether or not it makes any sense whatsoever.
rikyrah
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
Baud
@TS: I hope it helps to bleed his support, but I just don’t know anymore. So many people seem to have entered into a deep psychosis this year.
Aleta
I’m cold and NOAA says the current temperature is N/A.
tybee
maddow’s show on hair furor and his cuba dealings was amusing, nicht wahr?
James E Powell
If the press/media are following the same game plan as they did in 2000, whenever Clinton pulls ahead in the polls, they will all start to attack her with new questions raised, things that raise more questions than they answer, recycled 90s stories, etc.
Baud
@James E Powell: Not just 2000. August.
eclare
@Baud: You should see the clip, he couldn’t name a single living foreign leader! He called it his “Aleppo moment”.
eclare
Wow, 57 here in Memphis!
TS
@Baud: I watched a small part of Rachel’s show – she had his support at 5 or 6% (can’t remember which) with the other 2 at 1% and 2% – so it seems his support is on a downward trend – and most are voting for Donald or Sec Clinton.
Raven
@tybee: arie
Schlemazel
@eclare: @raven:
Well, I guess this proves Drumpf is right, global warming IS a hoax!
Baud
@TS:
I wouldn’t mind if he kept embarrassed Republicans, but I guess if that’s a real thing, they’ll just stay home.
amk
On the hindsight, …. donnie dick was still spewing utter incoherent gibberish.
Great going, white murkans.
Botsplainer
I couldn’t quite tell – was he wearing an American flag pin or a Russian flag pin during the debate? Many people are saying this….
eclare
Going to see the new Beatles documentary with my mom this afternoon.
Mustang Bobby
74 in Miami.
I got word last night that MCP Still Got It Players, a theatre company in Orlando, has selected my 10-minute play “A Moment of Clarity” for their Short Attention Span Play Festival in December. It will be the world premiere of it; I’ll see if I can get up there to see it.
trnc
Great ad by Hillary, but I don’t get the nuclear reference in the ad. I assume his “Good luck, folks. Enjoy yourselves” comment is about nuclear war like she said, but the ad should clearly show that the same way all the other examples are shown. Am I missing something in the ad? Also, was that the CIC forum?
JPL
@raven: It’s 59 here. brrrr
Immanentize
Hi All. 55 here north of Boston. In Laws have arrived for a week’s visit. Trying to motivate my son to wake up. My wife’s company has another new set of investors and her boss got laid off yesterday. I need to finish two projects by week’s end. The world is a bit tipped on its axis it seems. And that is all before thinking about the election!
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
someone making a fist inside a sock puppet
I watched only about 5 minutes before giving up and switching full time to live snark streams (particularly here). But I remember that face. I noticed his face was frozen in this bizarre expression right from the outset, with what was obviously supposed to be a thoughtful frown on his brow. I believe somebody in one of the live blogs called it “constipated”. I’m sure he spent hours practicing his “presidential face” before the debate (which would mean that he actually did some prep). It was idiotic and contributed to my inability to watch.
?BillinGlendaleCA
Piratedan’s long comment at the end of the last thread is worth a read.
ETA: 67 here at the cave in Glendale.
germy
@eclare: Make sure you stick around for the Shea Stadium concert after the documentary.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@Mustang Bobby: Excellent! Congratulations!
There are a few companies here (Philly) that nurture playwrights and have new play readings. We’ve become very fond of those readings, which consist of nothing more than actors and a narrator sitting in chairs reading the lines and the stage directions, and are surprisingly effective. Shows how much the bones of a play are the words and the emotions and the body language, not so much the special effects or costumes.
And we’ve seen a few plays go the whole route from workshop to fully-staged production, which is pretty cool.
You might want to check out these guys.
germy
@TS: And somewhere, Jill Stein is saying “Whew! Glad it wasn’t me!”
germy
eclare
@Mustang Bobby: Congratulations!
eclare
@germy: Will do, thanks!
OzarkHillbilly
@raven: Beautiful in the Ozarks too: 52 and clear starry skies.
Baud
@Mustang Bobby: Yay!
Immanentize
@?BillinGlendaleCA: That was an interesting comment. If I procrastinate at work today, maybe I can at least give him a response about why the SCOTUS is so important from my experiences.
It is true that we are not moving forward as much as we need to. But the alternative is not more progress, it is more death, war, destruction, discrimination and abuse.
TS
@germy: She is currently at 1% – world leaders are the least of her lack of knowledge, but it probably would have spiraled her down to 0%.
These folks be why Donald wants them in the debates – they would take away from how stupid he looks and is.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I’m glad there are people like piratedan because I wouldn’t have the patience to deal with those types of people.
Patricia Kayden
@Baud: Johnson is always a disaster. He’s no Baud.
JPL
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Thank you for mentioning that.
OzarkHillbilly
@Mustang Bobby: Cooooll.
Mustang Bobby
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: Thanks, I will check them out.
Readings, staged or just cold, are great for the development process, and a lot of playwrights, myself included, look for opportunities to beta-test a script.
Baud
@Patricia Kayden: I know enough to say my favorite foreign leader is Trudeau. That’s a political no brainer.
bystander
@TS: It is definitely worth watching the clip when Johnson cannot think of a single foreign leader he admires. The look on Weld’s face speaks volumes. “How many martinis did I have the night I agreed to tether myself to this box of rocks?”
Coming up on Moanin’ Joe, the great expert Rick Tyler. Rick’s latest gig was as spokesmodel for Ted Cruz. With Fred like that, why wouldn’t you want to hang on his every word?
eclare
@Baud: Did you see the photo Lamh36 posted last night of Kate meeting him? Total fangirl. Will did not look amused.
Baud
MoJo
Shout out to Amir’s countrywoman.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Immanentize: Talking to the millinial in my life(the kid), Piratedan is absolutely correct that many of the things that SCOTUS could decide and roll back are taken for granted. She assumes that she will always have access to the pill, they wouldn’t take those rights away. I tell her they can.
Baud
@eclare:
Yes. Practically an international incident.
SFAW
@Schlemazel:
I don’t believe you unless you say it in Chinese.
satby
@Baud: I just read that comment a few minutes ago. He’s quite right that the younger cohort thinks the rights they enjoy now are set in stone because I’ve had that same discussion with the previous generation, who think the same thing. While I appreciate his thoughtful analysis at some point millennials need to take a bit of responsibility for educating themselves. I’ve watched my nieces and nephews do it (nice kids -love them, but not immersed in politics) and they landed on the sane side as Clinton supporters, so I know it’s possible.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: The pill is probably safe, although you are right that it’s a possibility. If she cares about workers rights, consumers rights, or the environment at all, however, those things are definitely on the conservative chopping block.
Baud
@satby: I’m completely for finding ways to give them information. I can’t stand people who think you’re lying to them or who continue to make excuses for not doing the right thing.
satby
@Mustang Bobby: Congrats!
@rikyrah: Good morning! The only sunshine here this morning is from you, 56 and rainy for the next three days here!
Baud
@satby:
I mean, even Bernie is finally out there saying the right things. At some point, ignorance is willful.
satby
@Baud: one of the reasons I stay on FB (the other is keeping in touch with international friends) is to push back on the stupid with sources to reasoned analysis.
More people read them than respond or react, I’ve heard. And I think that countering b.s. spread via social media is essential; letting it spread unchallenged just makes it harder to debunk later when it seems to be “conventional wisdom”.
debbie
@Baud:
Regardless of what Johnson’s talking about, I cannot stand his tone of voice. It’s a tone of condescension and impatience.
SFAW
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
That’s ridiculous. That’s like saying that they would sign off on Voting Rights abuses being OK.
magurakurin
The most horrible thing about Johnson making a joke about his lack of knowledge of Aleppo is that at the very moment he said it, real, actual human beings were being torn apart by Russian airstrikes, which are more or less constant at the moment. He is worthless scum. He needs to go die in a fire…yesterday.
On a positive note, good numbers for Hillary Clinton today
State
4 Way Horse Race
2 Way Horse Race
Colorado
Clinton 46, Trump 40, Johnson 6, Stein 2
Clinton 51, Trump 44
Florida
Clinton 45, Trump 43, Johnson 3, Stein 1
Clinton 48, Trump 45
North Carolina
Clinton 44, Trump 42, Johnson 7
Clinton 49, Trump 45
Pennsylvania
Clinton 45, Trump 39, Johnson 6, Stein 2
Clinton 49, Trump 44
Virginia
Clinton 46, Trump 40, Johnson 7, Stein 1
Clinton 49, Trump 43
satby
@Baud:
Exactly. And a cover for less honorable motivations.
Baud
@satby: I agree 100%. It’s important and thanks for doing that.
debbie
@satby:
I’m steeling myself for Thanksgiving when my nephew comes for a visit. He went Hasidic, studied in Israel for a couple years, came back to live and study in a yeshiva for several years, and has come out of that supporting Trump.
He’ll be getting quite an earful, I can tell you.
SFAW
@debbie:
It’s amazing that ALL the non-Hillary candidates this year are dicks. (Believe it or not, no word play intended.)
320 Million people in the US, and the non-Dems can’t seem to find anyone other than three raging assholes? Depressing.
rikyrah
@debbie:
And that combination is lethal with ignorance. You watch him and go…. You don’t know ANYTHING.. why do you think you have the right to condescend to anyone?
Baud
@debbie: Fascists and Jews working together. Trump is a uniter!
Baud
@satby: Remember that even Obama lost white millennials.
Iowa Old Lady
@debbie: At least by Thanksgiving the election will be over. Unless you’re Canadian? If that’s so, I’d just say I don’t want to hear it, because god knows, I don’t.
bemused
Just knowing Trump’s business wheeling and dealing that makes him money and leaves everyone else holding the bag and then hear him say he would negotiate national debt if economy was failing to make better a deal should terrify anyone with a working brain.
debbie
@Iowa Old Lady:
I’m American, and happily it will be over. There will be nursing of grievances though.
satby
@SFAW: In the early oughts, I had this discussion with some 20 and 30-something’s who thought it was ridiculous that reproductive rights like access to the pill could be lost. But conservative groups have targeted the pill as an abortifacient drug since the 1980s, they just didn’t get any traction until the Hobby Lobby case exploded.
SFAW
@debbie:
My, aren’t WE optimistic? The Als (Gore and Franken) might want to have a chat with you regarding that idea.
Matt McIrvin
@debbie: I always assume that any Jewish people who support Trump… maybe don’t use the Internet a lot? Given that social media are where the obvious is most obvious, in this regard. Or are Ivanka and her husband just an effective cover for the fact that this guy is chummy with actual Hitler-heiling Nazis?
Iowa Old Lady
@debbie: Tell him grievances have to wait until Festivus.
Matt McIrvin
(I guess possibly they regard Muslims as the real menace, and have some kind of faith that the monster we sic on the Muslims won’t turn on them.)
SFAW
@satby:
Agreed. And it’s at times like this that I am grateful that Fat Nino is no longer on The Bench. That evil, intellectually dishonest fuck.
(Although, in fairness, I’m guessing that the fires of Hell have gotten rid of some of his fat. )
OzarkHillbilly
@bemused: What makes you think working brains have anything to do with elections?
?BillinGlendaleCA
Perdy pic of the day: Sunset outside the cave.
MattF
Amusing article: Republicans Furious that Trump Purchased Old Trunk Containing Nameless Horrors.
debbie
@Matt McIrvin:
That’s just it. He’s all over the Internet. I’ve seen some of his discussions on FB and he’s using the Talmud to justify his support of Trump. It leaves me speechless — at least until Thanksgiving.
debbie
@Iowa Old Lady:
Good idea!
SFAW
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Beautifyl! Seeing that picture dropped my BP by 10 or 20 points.
Thanks so much for that beautiful shot.
(Where are you now? CA? Or somewhere else? I can never remember.)
OzarkHillbilly
Natural born killers: humans predisposed to murder, study suggests
Yes, because an armed society is a polite society.
satby
@Baud: well, it’s cut down a bit on the friends in meatspace, but it would have happened anyway when we found out we lived in opposing realities.
Elizabelle
Good morning all. Lotta storms through last night; intermittent internet.
@Baud: I did not know that Obama lost white millennials.
And I’m sick of hearing how “badly” Hillary is doing with them. It’s the press’s new binky.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Nice.
Kay
I love him. He’s still mad and he won’t stop until everyone knows what happened.
The thing about these stories is the Trump Family don’t seem to know what a big deal 30,000 is to a small business. It was the same with The Paint Spot (the painting contractor they stiffed)- it means they can’t pay an employee that year. One person’s whole earnings for a year. It’s a giant, memorable catastrophe -“the year Donald Trump screwed us”. No wonder these people go to their graves hating the Trumps.
satby
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Gorgeous! I would buy that if it was sold somewhere. You ever think about selling some of your work?
Matt McIrvin
@Elizabelle:
In 2012, not in 2008.
OzarkHillbilly
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Wow.
bemused
@OzarkHillbilly:
You are correct, sir. Non-functioning brains can only process one thing, that Hillary is a she-devil.
eclare
@MattF: That is beautiful.
eclare
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Beautiful!
rikyrah
@Kay:
These stories tell the core of his lack of character.
Nancy
“The Google just came out, and it was the first big post-debate poll, and we’re doing very well.” DT
The Google tells me where to find things and I believe that so . . . .
Nah.
Kay
Looking at Trump family history of cheating people, there’s a weird pattern. They contract with smaller businesses. A lot of their victims say “this was the biggest sale/contract we ever had”. It’s weird. The businesses seem too small to be considered for what are big contracts.
My son was working for a huge electrical contractor but right now he’s working for a smaller, family-owned shop and they (of course) get smaller contracts. Building a single store rather than a hospital- like that.
I bet it’s deliberate. They know the smaller guys won’t be able to fight them to get paid.
satby
@debbie: hit him with Hillel
eclare
@eclare: My mistake! Requested deletion, oh well.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SFAW: CA, hence the CA in my nym.
OzarkHillbilly
The Donald hires only the BEST people, the VERY BEST I tell you.
eclare
@Kay: I don’t know, he also has screwed the banks so bad that he can only get funding from Deutsche Bank or unknown foreign actors.
Kay
@rikyrah:
Of course they did. How much could he have been paying himself? Maybe 60? Probably tops 100? Half or a third of his income.
Meanwhile, Trump was paying 30k a year for each child’s private school tuition.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@satby: Maybe someday, I still consider myself in the learning phase.
Baud
@Kay: It’s his plan for governing too. Brinkmanship. He’ll use the power of the U.S. to negotiate better deals on everything from weaker players. It’s not all too different from how the W. administration acted. Remember that the main argument for the AUMF on Iraq was to enhance our credibility with Saddam on inspectors.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: When you consider 14 million a “small loan”, 30k is nothing*.
*And yet, he still chisels this out of the little guy.
SFAW
@Kay:
Of course.
It takes a special kind of dickishness to do that time and again.
Bruce K
@Kay: Sounds like a similar cost-benefit analysis to the one that got publicized with regard to Ford Pinto fires (the one where they apparently figured it’d be more expensive to go back to the drawing board and redesign an occasionally-fatal flaw than to pay the liability whenever people got killed by the flaw).
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay: So what I want to know, is where are the commercials? I remember in ’12 Obama had a very effective commercial with ‘used to be’ steelworkers from the KC steel mill Romney raided telling their stories.
Hal
I’m so sick of hearing about millennials as if they are some never before seen phenomenon. Young people of every generation get shit on by older generations. This particular generation has a technological advantage no previous generation has had, and I feel like that’s part of the seeming gap between younger and older. Especially people over a certain age who are also not particularly good with technology, so you end up with this constant bitching and moaning about kids and their smartphones!
It’s older, conservative white folks giving Trump his momentum, and a very large majority of older white men in particular. That’s not going to change until those people are no longer around.
satby
@OzarkHillbilly: Only 12 and already a complete douchebag. His momma the (real) co-chair must be proud.
Baud
@Hal: The difference is we’ve already written off older white guys who are not Juicers. Millennials were hyped as a superior generation for some time, and now we’re wondering if that will bear out in the election.
SFAW
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Yes, being a non-moron, I see the CA in your nym every day. And your Cali-related contemporaneous comments as well.
However, some people do travel. President-in-Exile Baud, for example. So it occurred to me as a possibility for you, and that I had missed that info.
Still love the picture, of course.
Kay
@eclare:
The Trumps will have legal problems when the election is over. They’re passing revenue thru that foundation to avoid paying taxes on it.
These people are just common scammers who happened to inherit real estate in NYC. If they had inherited real estate in St Louis Missouri or Dayton Ohio no one would have ever heard of them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Hal: When I read that millenials are unhappy that they can’t get a job in their field of study, I was not overly sympathetic. I’ve NEVER worked in my field of study and I have a MA.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly:. When did those air? This year all the dates are screwed up from what they were in the past.
OzarkHillbilly
@Kay:
I guarantee it Kay. I’ve seen it too many times in this biz.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SFAW: I’ve not been out of CA in the last 10 years. So all of my pics are from around LA.
Cermet
@SFAW: I too am extremely glad he is dead; however, I’d never wish upon any human the vile ideas of religion and god being true; thank god they aren’t (pun intended!) ;)
Kay
@Baud:
It’s such egotistical bullshit to think you’re a better negotiator than anyone else. He constantly calls people “stupid” at those rallies- I’m so, so sick of this strutting being considered “strength”. Conservatives have to look at themselves and ask why they are so attracted to this. Grown ups should know better. It’s not a movie. It’s not about some story arc where Ronald Reagan says “tear down that wall!” and the music comes up and we win.
?BillinGlendaleCA
I’ve got a question: do you prefer this picture or this picture? They are the same shot, just the first has an extra processing step.
Baud
@Kay:
You answered your own question. Because it pisses off liberal Democrats. It’s also why Hillary is a good opponent. She is unflappable.
SFAW
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
OK, thanks. I lose track of who’s visiting where. Hell, I can barely remember where I am half the time — and sometimes I ask myself “well, how did I get here?”
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Prefer the first. More vivid and more contrast.
amk
Jerry Brown: No more statute of limitations on rape.
Go Jerry.
Baud
@SFAW: And the days go by.
SFAW
@Cermet:
Understood. I normally preface a comment similar to my earlier one with “I don’t believe in Heaven or Hell, but if I did …”
Wyliecoat
@TS: to be fair to Gary Johnson, Chris Mathews was shouting and hectoring him. I’m not a supporter, but I really felt sorry for Gary under that onslaught. Anybody would have got rattled. Just listen to the exchange before you pile on the poor guy.
Kay
I;m bonding with my son’s orthodontist over our Trump-loathing. We need a secret handshake. He’s a Korean immigrant. I wish I could reassure people because they have this desperate sound- ‘tell me it isn’t happening!” but I can’t because who knows? I can’t control these horrible people.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Thanks, that’s my take as well. I showed it to a friend last night and he thought it was too saturated, but he’s a Republican.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: It may be too saturated for some people, but it’s still better than the other shot.
SFAW
@Baud:
Only if I let them.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I think he’s of the view, you take the jpg that the camera produces and that’s the end of the process*.
*You should see what the https://flic.kr/p/MHi2vajpg of that sunset looks like, bleh!
Cermet
@SFAW: Yes, that makes more sense.
satby
@?BillinGlendaleCA: The enhanced one really pops.
But, as to your second comment: are you surprised? Conservatives prefer a drabber, more monochromatic world favoring shades of beige predominantly.
SFAW
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I’m with Baud on this one.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: When I tried to get into digital photography, I underestimated the importance of post processing and was disappointed with my shots as a result.
OzarkHillbilly
@satby: Remember the kid (also 12 iirc) who gave a speech at CPAC? He now disavows everything he said and believed in then, says he is not sure what he believes in now. He wants to be left alone to learn and grow on his own. What happened? Reality. His parents were no longer his sole source of info about the world.
This 12 yr old is not so different. He is an empty vessel for his parents to pour in all the hate, ignorance, and bile they are overflowing with. I pray that he too is soon left alone to learn and grow on his own.
bemused
@Kay:
Good observation. Trump Family chisels every entity from huge to small that they can get away with. They had to know it is much easier to cheat smaller businesses because the little guys can rarely afford to sue but they don’t care.
NotMax
Kaine could legitimately use the line during the debate. Will he actually say “Please proceed, Governor?”
Baud
@SFAW: Ugh. I got the lyric wrong. It’s “letting the days go by.”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Try again, the original jpg of the sunset pic.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Not understanding your question. Before the election of course. I only saw them on the internet as I have no TV.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Post processing is really important, it always has been(even in the old film days).
OzarkHillbilly
@SFAW:
I ask myself that several times a day.
Baud
@OzarkHillbilly: If the Obama ads were in October, Clinton may also be waiting until next month when it’s closer to election day and fresh in people’s minds.
germy
@amk:
Baud
@germy: I think it would be unconstitutional to reactivate criminal penalties after the statute of limitations has passed.
eclare
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I liked the second better, although I didn’t see that much difference.
hueyplong
@Wyliecoat: I agree that Chris Matthews, being a dick, was very dickish in how he hectored Johnson with the question. But that’s to be expected. The thing that struck me is that he asked it as though he had 100% confidence that he knew Johnson couldn’t name anybody at all. Tweety listed all the continents and on several occasions said he was looking for just one name.
Johnson looked like a joke candidate, and I can’t believe that any serious person considering him wouldn’t be shaken by watching that God-awful, deer-in-the-headlights moment on a subject at which he was already notorious for doing that very thing (i.e., he demonstrated that he had learned nothing from his Aleppo FUBAR). You could almost hear John Goodman screaming “You’re out of your element, Donnie!”
I’m really glad Weld isn’t at the top of the ticket. He seemed smart and unpanicked by the meltdown moment. His intervention basically saved Johnson from having to withdraw on the spot.
Hillary Clinton is the only candidate within hailing distance of qualified for the job, and the scandal of this election is that that isn’t the lead story every day. Even the Arizona Republic acknowledges that obvious point.
Baud
@hueyplong:
Johnson can legitimately claim to be a libertarian. Weld is apparently there just for the lulz.
SFAW
@Baud:
You’re young, it’s to be expected that you wouldn’t necessarily remember Classic Rock lyrics.
Of course, if you could recite, perfectly, the lyrics to “Afternoon Delight” or “How Long Has This Been Going On?” I’d have to re-think my support of you as a candidate.
So there’s that.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: I never do any post processing. Never have, never will. Not because I am against it, just because I am a Luddite. I could fvck up a wet dream. There are 3 keys to a good photo: Lighting, framing, and subject. If you pick a good subject, frame it properly and if it has good lighting, you’ll have a good photograph, maybe even a great one. Post processing can only fix the last of those 3, the other 2 are entirely up to you. Mess them up and no amount of post processing will fix it.
I deal with the lighting entirely in the moment I take the pic by varying the f-stop and shutter speed. It either works, or it doesn’t. Most times I have little effect and it comes down solely to the time of day I take the shot (earlier am, later pm)(mid day light sucks donkey dick)
@?BillinGlendaleCA: I go with the 2nd one. The colors are more subtle and the richer for that fact. YMMV
Jeffro
@hueyplong:
I actually wish Weld were at the top of the ticket, and then it would be obvious that he’s running as a non-crazy conservative alternative to Trump, which would hopefully siphon off a few Trump voters. Weld’s running to be that alternative; Johnson’s just running for attention.
germy
@Baud:
One of the humorists on twitter; I can’t remember if it was Bob Schooley or the LOLGOP folks, said Johnson is so unprepared because he really didn’t expect to be invited on all these big network shows and get so much attention. But because a Clinton is running, you see, a third-party candidate is getting more press than ever.
Did the networks pay attention to the Libertarian ticket in 2004? I don’t remember any interviews.
hueyplong
@Baud: With them out of the debate, I guess it really doesn’t matter which one is at the top. I can’t understand the thinking that says, “I’ve got this and that specific problem with Hillary, so I’m going to vote for someone about whom I know nothing, a guy whose disqualification from the highest office in the land would be obvious at even a casual glance.”
I’m moving toward wanting Johnson to drop down to margin-of-error numbers. Let the Trump refugees in the GOP just stay away from the polls instead of having a protest candidate with the happy “Libertarian” label. It will help push all those swing state Dem Senate candidates over the top.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Ah, got it. That is what I am hoping for, and expect, but there is still that worried little liberal inside of me saying “WHERE IS IT???”
rikyrah
@Kay:
What a good reporter can find out…if you want to look and follow the story.
rikyrah
I am surprised that nobody is talking about the Newsweek story of Trump going to try and do business with Castro’s Cuba, and then pretending that he’s all big and bad about the embargo.
satby
@Jeffro: if Weld was top of the ticket, it would draw the disaffected Rs who will vote for Clinton, because it would be a reasonable alternative. I want disaffected Rs, especially women, voting for Clinton.
germy
@satby:
I agree.
Kay
Conservative radio host in Iowa.
I don’t know about young people generally, but this might reach them. My daughter was really furious when Republicans convened the all-male panel to shame women about contraception.
It’s a different world. They don’t so readily accept old white men as judges of their behavior. She was beside herself- “why are they always talking about us?” She sees it almost like gossip or something- it’s wild because it’s so different than how I was.
hueyplong
@Jeffro:
Hadn’t thought of it that way but wish I had, because that’s totally logical. The flaw in your thinking is that you assume logic plays into the GOP mindset in the Fox News Era.
rikyrah
President Obama Kept His Promises to Native Americans
by Nancy LeTourneau
September 28, 2016 4:02 PM
We’ve all gotten used to presidential candidates making promises that they don’t/can’t keep when they get elected. But no group in American history has been on the receiving end of more broken promises than Native Americans. In the scheme of political campaigns, those issues aren’t usually on anyone’s radar. Perhaps that is why no one payed much attention when candidate Barack Obama made some promises to Native Americans back in 2008.
In that clip Obama said he would host an annual White House Tribal Nations Conference in order to give Native Americans a seat at the table, and he said this:
We’re going to end nearly a century of mismanagement of Indian trusts. We’re going to work together to settle unresolved cases, figure out how the trusts ought to operate, and ensure that they are begin managed responsibly.
This week the White House held its 8th and final Tribal Nations Conference, while the Attorney General and Secretary of the Interior made an historic announcement.
Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch and Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell today announced that, as a result of an initiative begun in the summer of this year, the United States has reached settlement with 17 additional tribal governments who alleged that the Department of the Interior and the Department of the Treasury had mismanaged monetary assets and natural resources held in trust by the United States for the benefit of the tribes. With these resolutions, the Obama Administration will have settled the vast majority of the outstanding claims, some dating back more than a century, with more than 100 tribes and totaling over $3.3 billion…
In April 2012, the Justice and Interior Departments announced more than $1 billion in settlements with 41 federally-recognized tribes for similar claims, the result of nearly two years of negotiations, between 2009 and the 2012 announcement, the Departments of Justice and of the Interior had settled with six other tribes. Since April 2012, the United States has reached settlement for claims of 57 additional tribes – including 17 reached after negotiations this summer and early fall – for an additional $1.9 billion, following through on its commitment to bring to an end, honorably and fairly, this protracted litigation that has burdened both the plaintiffs and the United States.
Ending these long-running disputes about the United States’ management of trust funds and non-monetary trust resources will allow the United States and the tribes to move beyond the distrust exacerbated by years of litigation. These settlement agreements represent a significant milestone in the improvement of the United States’ relationship with Indian tribes.
germy
@rikyrah: I didn’t know about that. He seems more like a Batista guy.
hueyplong
@rikyrah:
If the Newsweek story about Trump tips Florida and does nothing else, it will be the biggest thing possible. I have a hard time seeing a Trump victory with an electoral map colored blue in Florida.
TS
@Kay:
Given how his children turned out he didn’t get value for that money.
OzarkHillbilly
Time to go get the stitches out. Y’all play nice now, ya heah?
Kay
@TS:
The thing about bankruptcy (which I support, BTW, I’m in favor of people being able to discharge debt in bankruptcy) is the debtor takes a hit. That’s part of why people who don’t discharge debt don’t resent those who do- there’s a downside for the debtor.
Trump always lived luxuriously. He wasn’t paying people but he made sure he got paid really well. His family wanted for nothing while the people he stiffed (in bankruptcy or just not paying them) went without.
MomSense
Oh no a commuter train crashed into the station in Hoboken, NJ. Major damage and injuries.
rikyrah
Quick Takes: The Depravity of Trump’s Racism/Sexism
by Nancy LeTourneau
September 28, 2016 4:27 PM
* No one has done a better job of capturing the utter depravity of Donald Trump’s racism and sexism than Adam Gopnik.
Kay
@TS:
I had an after-school babysitting job in late middle school- 7th grade. Okay, so these kids were just a couple of years younger than me and they were poorly behaved anyway so it was basically a nightmare. I couldn’t even control the dog, who was also poorly behaved. It was weird that this woman hired me. I was too young – it was too big a job for a 13 year old. She didn’t pay me. I would sort of gently suggest she start paying me but I wasn’t confident enough to challenge an adult. My father went over and told her to pay me when I finally told someone, but looking back, that’s why she hired me. To take advantage of me. A high schooler would have to stopped showing up.
Jeffro
@satby: @germy: That’s fine, but Johnson appears to be drawing at least part of the BernieBro crowd away from supporting Hillary, and that’s not good.
It’s also just my best take on some limited reporting, certainly not ‘data’, so…whatever. =)
We can only do what we can do, we have the 3rd parties that we have, and in the end I just wanna GOTV and preserve the progress we’ve made these past eight years. If Johnson can help with that by keeping up his wackadoodle routine for another 6 weeks, I appreciate his assistance.
Shalimar
@OzarkHillbilly: From earlier articles about the 12-year old county chair, it is pretty clear his mother has experience running campaign offices and is there with him most of the time. She put him up for the title to start his future path to the presidency. The mom is pretty clearly a piece of work. The kid seems normal, just doing what mom told him to do.
Major Major Major Major
@rikyrah:
I’m not.
Jeffro
Btw this is encouraging: Trump’s teeing off on his own team and allies for not “supporting” him (ie, trying to pretend that he won the debate and really landed some punches on ol’ Hillz)
LET TRUMP BE TRUMP!, says Trump. Oh yes, please do that, sir.
different-church-lady
@rikyrah:
Sure, but where the hell are we going to find one of those?
PPCLI
@debbie: Ask him how he feels about Trump’s “We won’t defend them unless they pay us” position on allies. True, he says nice things about Israel now, but who knows what he’ll do when the election is over? He changes with the wind, he does have a lot of anti-Semitic supporters, and he loves to play to an adoring audience. On the other hand, the “pay me or fuck off” stance seems to be one of the few unalterable constants in his character.
Kay
Oh, yay. There’s a record :)
I thought it was a little odd that Clinton gave that story such prominent placement in the debate- but I no longer do.
Good job! :)
It’s a fucking mine field for Republicans, especially THESE Republicans. Newt Gingrich is no one’s idea of an Adonis.
I hope the old men give us 1970’s-era dieting tips.
PPCLI
@Jeffro: What do you mean he lost the debate? Hannity says he won. Call Sean Hannity! Why won’t anybody call Sean Hannity?
PPCLI
@Major Major Major Major: I have a feeling it is coming up on Spanish-language media in Florida.
Amir Khalid
@Baud:
It’s amazing that out of some two dozen candidates in this presidential cycle, only one had the idea of doing the homework to prepare for the job.
SFAW
@TS:
You seem to be assuming that he DIDN’T want them to be just like him. Given his narcissism, seems unlikely.
Major Major Major Major
@PPCLI: Ah, yes. While Cuban-Americans are no longer a decisive or monolithic voting bloc, that’s… not going to help.
Kay
I don’t know if they’re considered “serious” or not but Buzzfeed has done more vetting of Donald Trump than anyone.
There’s an extensive record on Donald Trump. He never shuts up and they have been eagerly copying down his every word for 20 years. I don’t think it’s that hard to turn this stuff up. They’re just finding Trump’s own words.
It’s really journalistic malpractice that they haven’t done more of this. ANY ONE of these Trump statements would be a weeks worth of news on a regular candidate.
SFAW
@Amir Khalid:
Well, to be fair, being “smart” or well-prepared has never been a “thing” for the Republican electorate.
I was going to say that Hofstadter was about 50 years early, but it’s really been building for a number of years.
Major Major Major Major
@Kay:
According to Trump, that is journalistic malpractice.
Miss Bianca
@Wyliecoat: Mr. “let’s turn New Mexico into an outer ring of hell complete with all-privatized prisons and no public school system”? That Gary Johnson? Got soooo rattled by Chris Matthews he couldn’t think straight? Aww, the poor sweet baby. I feel so badly for him.
On second thought – nah! If that’s the worst thing that happens to that douchenozzle, he’s still way better off than most of his former constituents.
Jeffro
@PPCLI:
I think it was at that point that my sides were actually hurting from all the laughing. It’s not that Trump lives inside his own little bubble…it’s that the bubble is so very, very small (often consisting of just him – his own best adviser!)
Major Major Major Major
@Wyliecoat: After the Aleppo debacle his head should’ve been so stuffed full of foreign facts that they leaked out even when being shouted at. He should’ve at the very least been willing to volunteer something about…
Didn’t somebody important just die, father of Israel or some nonsense? Whatsishame? Damascus or something?
bemused
@Kay:
Ha. If being a physically attractive presidential candidate was a requirement, Trump is a yooge loser on that score too.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@MomSense:
100+ injuries being reported. I expect numbers will change as the day progresses.
And, not to politicize a real tragedy, but will this take Christie back to his gubernatorial duties for a while?
Ruckus
@SFAW:
Tells you a bit about their politics and world view, doesn’t it.
hovercraft
@Miss Bianca:
Exactly, what the hell is wrong with these people? They’re running for the most powerful job in the world, do they think Putin and the rest of the world are going to mollykoddle them. If they can’t handle the likes of Tweety, Lester Holt and Megan Kelly, how the hell do they expect to sit down across from the Russians, the Chinese and the like. Even our Allies don’t always have the same priorities as us, Merkel has not been on the page with us on Russia for years, diplomacy is hard, serious stuff, you need to know your stuff and be patient.
catclub
@Elizabelle:
Yes, she is actually losing badly with old people. So, It is the olds that should be the worry. She is winning with young people, just not as much as they think she should be.
catclub
@hovercraft:
only two disqualifying requirements there for Trump.
hovercraft
@Jeffro:
Shockingly even Mark Halpern chided Trump and his team for living in the right wing bubble. He pointed out that Trump Force One only plays FOX, and so since the Alicia Merchado shitstorm was disappeared from OX yesterday, he thinks that it’s no longer an issue. They only talk to people in the bubble so they don’t realize how badly this thing is playing out in the real world. Fat shaming is regarded as unseemly by everyone, because the battle of the bulge is pretty universal, it’s not just women who are offended on this one. Halpern thinks it’s as big a misstep as the Khan fight. Evem Halpern……….
hovercraft
@Major Major Major Major:
He actually tried to say Shimon Peres, but Tweety interrupted to say someone living. Seriously, you should be able to name one world leader.
Major Major Major Major
@hovercraft: hmm. Living world leader who i admire. I suppose Merkel has steered the ship of state pretty deftly.
WereBear
And may they keep doing so. Works for me!
catclub
@TS: $30k per year tuition for private schools.
Seems like a lot of money, right? In his bad times, during the bankruptcy around 1990, Trump was put on a spending allowance of $600K
per MONTH. Even if he is no billionaire, he is still unimaginably wealthy compared to 99.9% of the population.
sinnedbackward
@?BillinGlendaleCA: 72 climbing to a predicted 86 here in Hillcrest. Global broasting, if you asked me. Fortunately we (ie, through our HOA) replaced the chiller this year.
StringOnAStick
@?BillinGlendaleCA: What millennials are experiencing is what I went through in the late 1980’s: poor job prospects because of the recession that happened 6-8 years earlier. My newly minted MS was good for a few years in a sputtering economy, but as projects were completed, there wasn’t any new stuff in the pipeline. Since we’re in a persistent low growth environment, there just isn’t the job creation rate to absorb the new graduates, though it is slowly improving.
StringOnAStick
@OzarkHillbilly: As far as Jefferson County in Colorado goes, I live here and was heavily involved in the successful campaign last year to recall the 3 tea party school board loons. There is a statewide ballot measure to increase school funding (it is horrible here thanks to an old libertarian constitutional amendment that strangles all tax increases unless voters approve), all the same people are involved locally. There is good ground game here. There are also some crazy ass people here, but not like CO Springs so I suspect Jefferson County is less of a toss up than they think.
Matt McIrvin
@Jeffro: I can never tell whether the third-party candidates are drawing these people away from the major-party candidate I like (not good) or just drawing them away from not voting (potentially good).