While the Prosecution has rested in the Trial of Snack Team 6 and the Defense has begun to present their case, including calling Franklin Graham to the stand, we have news relating our intrepid heroes that originated outside the courtroom. The Idaho Statesmen is reporting that Brandon Curtiss, the leader of the Idaho III% Militia, took $2,901 of donations meant to assist four Idaho III% members who have been charged in the 2014 Bundy family led Bunkerville standoff (h/t: TPM). As a result 36 members of the Idaho III% Militia have resigned because Curtiss has allegedly taken this money and spent it on a variety of items that have absolutely nothing to do with funds to assist the four of his members and their families as they wait for their upcoming days in Federal Court.
The group’s PayPal account was in Curtiss’ name. PayPal records show Curtiss paid $295 on Aug. 7 to Rollin Smoke Diesel, an Indiana company that supplies aftermarket parts that allow pickups with diesel engines to produce thick clouds of black smoke in what has become a fad in some areas. The next day, the company credited $13 back to the account.
On Aug. 8, the account was billed $30 from Mister Car Wash in Nampa. Other payments that month for which the business purpose wasn’t clear include $37.50 to Adele’s Storage in Clarkston, Wash.; $30 to Spyfly.com, an online company that provides criminal records, personal financial information and contact information for people; $18.55 to a Taco Bell in Ontario, Ore.; and $71.59 to a Maverik store in Fruitland, where Curtiss resides.
That same month, the Mountain West Bank statement shows a $98.44 charge for an Idaho Parks and Recreation camping reservation and a $5 iTunes music download. There were also $292 in gasoline and food charges in Winnemucca, Nev., and Roseville and Sacramento, Calif., on Aug. 3 and 4, along with an Aug. 3 Walmart purchase in Sacramento.
By Sept. 13, the bank account showed a balance of $12.58. Six days later, the account was closed. It’s unclear whether 3% of Idaho has another existing bank account or what financial resources it still has.
Also, Curtiss appears to be a general, all around deadbeat. He was fined for not paying the Workman’s Comp premiums earlier this year for his Bail Recovery Agency, the Sons of Liberty Fugitive Recovery Service.
Tune in tomorrow for more updates. Same Bundy time, same Bundy station.
(I am not sure if it is kosher to mix Roman numerals with a % sign. But that’s how these guys do their name/symbol. I apologize if this is shaatnez.)
LAO
The defense is expected to re-call Sheriff Ward tomorrow and…Ammon Bundy himself. I’m literally beside myself, I may not be able to sleep tonight.
Thanks for the update Adam.
redshirt
What? Militia members who are deadbeats?
I refuse to believe violent white guys could ever do such things.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: I can send you some clown stuff? That should help!
LAO
@efgoldman: he already testified. He was present at the surrender and negotiated with the holdouts, with the FBI’s consent.
Baud
@redshirt: I blame Obama.
redshirt
@efgoldman: What What?
Roger Moore
It’s
turtlesgrifters all the way down.redshirt
@Baud: He did cause racism. Checks out.
joel hanes
Rolling coal.
Public display of aggressive, hostile stupidity.
Somehow I’m not surprised.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: If you remember he was with Nevada Assemblywoman Michelle Fiore when they were trying to talk the last four holdouts out of the refuge.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: Hallelujah!
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: So late at night when it all went down.
LAO
@Baud: You, Mitch McConnell, doesn’t everyone blame Obama?
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: Talk about something that is going right into the Strategic Malpractice Hall of Fame.
Origuy
I’m never gonna get this test written. Adam, you made me look up the history of the percent sign. The earliest form appears in 1350 as “p100”, so it comes in after the adoption of Arabic numerals. It may not be shaatnez to use with Roman numerals, but it’s certainly anachronistic.
LAO
@Adam L Silverman: it is remarkable malfeasance.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman:
Clowns frighten me.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@redshirt:
That’s what Trump says, and if you can’t trust Donald J. Trump…
LAO
@?BillinGlendaleCA: me too.
Prescott Cactus
@Adam L Silverman:
David “Bologna” Fry,
Jeff “Cheetos” Banta,
Sean “Dildo” Anderson
and
Sandy “Gummy Dick” Anderson
?BillinGlendaleCA
@LAO:
Yes.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: If there were 144 of him you’d have gross stupidity.
LAO
@LAO: Dammit! No court tomorrow, I’m going to have to wait till Monday.
Hungry Joe
I’m not taking Curtiss’ side, mind you, but never forget:
“It is morally wrong to allow suckers to keep their money.” — Canada Bill Jones
LAO
@Adam L Silverman: that joke took me wait to long to figure out. I think paying such close attention to the Bundy Bunch has made me stupid.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Who are you, and what have you done with Omnes Omnibus?
aimai
When you look into the abyss, the abyss also gazes back. Every time I read anything about the Bundys or Trump these days I get a gorgeous picture of Reagan and an advertisement urging me to share some of his glory by paying some money to have my email account be [email protected].
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: Or to Senator McConnell.
Gravenstone
Rolling coal, how fucking fitting for this bunch.
West of the Rockies (been a while)
@joel hanes:
You see a lot of that crap here in rural northern California. Always a big passenger truck, always driven by a white bubba age 18-45. Always makes me think the same thing: I’m sorry about your tiny weenie.
Roger Moore
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I don’t know about “can’t”, but if you don’t trust Donald J. Trump, there may be some hope for you after all.
Adam L Silverman
@aimai: You mean that’s not already your email address? No wonder you never write back…
Felonius Monk
When will the dildos be called to testify? Or will they take the 5th?
LAO
@Felonius Monk: criminal defendants choose whether to testify, the government can’t call them as witnesses. That being said, Ammon is expected to take the stand on Monday.
Adam L Silverman
@LAO: And a good time shall be had by all!
Corner Stone
@Felonius Monk: Speaking of dildos, I love how the mic that Rudy is yelling into is at the level of right between his eyes.
Roger Moore
@Felonius Monk:
I don’t think you want to hear about what they witnessed and participated in during the occupation.
Hungry Joe
@?BillinGlendaleCA: “If you can’t trust Donald Trump … ” reminds me of a classic episode of “Maverick.” (Although probably every episode of “Maverick” is a classic.) A banker, a pillar of the town whose motto is “If you can’t trust your banker, who can you trust?” steals Bret’s (James Garner) late-night poker-winnings deposit. Bret spends the rest of the episode in a rocking chair, whittling. Townspeople keep coming up to him, laughing and saying, “You get your money back, Mr. Maverick?” Bret would just say, “I’m working on it.” Meanwhile, he’d set up an elaborate counter-scheme. The last shot, as I remember it, was the banker just figuring out he’d been taken as the stage with Bret aboard leaves town, the rocking chair still rocking. It was called “A Shady Deal at Sunny Acres,” and I bet I haven’t seen it for 40 or 50 years. THAT was television.
Corner Stone
@Felonius Monk: Can you imagine being a dildo that was *too embarrassed* to testify to what you had done and seen? I mean, that’s your entire purpose for existing and you’re reticent to talk about it?
The horror. The horror.
p.a.
@LAO: Do you have to agree to testify before denying the court’s right to, uh, courtify?
Felonius Monk
@LAO: I’m laughing ’cause you read my mind. You knew exactly who I was referring to. And, yes, I do know that the prosecution can’t call them as witnesses, but they could testify in their own defense. But that would probably be a big mistake, so I’m sure it will happen.
LAO
@efgoldman: So true. I hope these AUSAs are decent cross-examiners. (Typically, prosecutors aren’t)
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Sorry about complaining last night, but, please – for the love of god – no clowns.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@LAO: Please don’t OD.
AUSA on cross of Ammon should be interesting.
Geeno
I always preferred “Meal Team 6” – not quite as accurate, but I like the sound of it better.
LAO
@Felonius Monk: EXACTLY!
p.a.
@Omnes Omnibus: DO NOT go in the woods.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@LAO: I figured that was why you were concerned about sleep.
Corner Stone
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Open Dildo?
Is that like open carry, and aren’t students at University of Texas already engaging in this civil disobedience?
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: No worries. And no worries about last night. I did put up a music video thread, but you appeared to have popped smoke by then.
Soylent Green
It’s a tall order but I’m going to try to get into the courtroom on Monday, when the Angel Moroni is scheduled to testify.
Felonius Monk
@p.a.:
Good question for our crack legal team. If Bundy takes the witness stand in his own defense, is that a tacit admission that he recognizes the authority of the court?
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Franklin Graham?? What, what?
This entire thing is unbefuckinglievable.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@p.a.: If you agree to testify, you’re subject to courtification and cross examination. And you admit, intentionally or not, that you’re subject to the jurisdiction of the court. Period. The end. IMO; I’m sure Bundy’s able counsel disagrees.
Since criminal defendants aren’t required to testify, they shouldn’t. For their own good.
They don’t always agree with their counsel on that point. LAO can also tell you that this is a bad idea for those defendants.
@LAO: Ahem. Some of them are. Very good.
Adam L Silverman
@Soylent Green: Want to live blog it as our on site correspondent?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Soylent Green: @Adam L Silverman: Please. Please. Please.
Felonius Monk
@Omnes Omnibus:
You might be in the wrong thread here, Omnes. We are talking about the Bundys — the Wild West’s Biggest Clown Extravaganza. :-)
Soylent Green
@Adam L Silverman: I can’t do that from court but will take copious notes for after.
Adam L Silverman
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): If you and LAO had gotten the GoFundMe set up and running, I’d be out there doing it.
Adam L Silverman
@Soylent Green: When you write them up, email them to me and I’ll put them up as an update. We are, however, unable to validate your parking.
Steve in the ATL
@Adam L Silverman: no, you’d be rolling coal to Taco Bell!
Omnes Omnibus
@Felonius Monk: No more clowns?
Villago Delenda Est
What? The guy was embezzling? I’m shocked, shocked. Quick, queue up the Casablanca clips at YouTube!
Adam L Silverman
@Steve in the ATL: I drive a hybrid and do not eat at Taco Bell.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Adam L Silverman: And here I thought it was to fund my going out to take notes and send them to you, given that I am between engagements.
Felonius Monk
Sidebar question: Any idea who is tending the Bundys’ herd, since they are all in jail?
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Gravenstone:
I think you mean “Rolling Cole.”
hovercraft
@Felonius Monk:
That was part of the original problem, they aren’t tended, they are feral.
Corner Stone
These Dolphin’s uniforms are an abomination against God and Country.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Hungry Joe:
Have you ever seen the Henry Fonda-Joanne Woodward movie A Big Hand for the Little Lady?
If not, you must.
Frankensteinbeck
@Felonius Monk:
As I recall, the Bundys themselves were not tending to the herd. The problem that got them originally in trouble is that they let the cattle wander around on government land, and do not take care of them in any way, just going out and shooting one occasionally for meat which they sell for cash. They are free-loaders par excellence, avoiding the IRS, animal cruelty and food safety regulations, and using government land without paying for it.
EDIT – And aren’t the cattle themselves an illegal crossbreed that’s dangerously aggressive?
Felonius Monk
@Omnes Omnibus: OK
Steeplejack (phone)
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Do they allow cell phones (or tablets) in the courtroom? Last time I was in court, five or six years ago, they collected everybody’s* cell phones in the lobby of the county courthouse.
* “Civilians,” presumably not attorneys actively working a case.
Villago Delenda Est
@Corner Stone: Don’t tell me the Fighting Fashion Nightmares have competition in the professional ranks!
Corner Stone
@Steeplejack (phone):
“I swear! She looked every day of 18!”
Villago Delenda Est
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: “Rolling Cole” is what the Rickroll was intended to do.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Clowns frighten all right thinking individuals, Omnes is a right thinking individual.
LAO
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
Open mouth, insert foot.
The Lodger
@Prescott Cactus: I thought that was David “Freedom” Fry.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Felonius Monk: No. the Bundys are “the common clay of the New West”, not clowns.
Adam L Silverman
@Felonius Monk: No one. They continue to run wild.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@LAO: I was just messing with you. I certainly got a lot of practice, because defendants won’t listen. Some counsel were dumb, also, too. Unlike you.
LAO
O/T: so, as I’ve mentioned before, I’m in the process of adopting a dog and I just got off the phone with a dog walker. She now, legitimately believes I’m crazy. I’m afraid she’s going to reject me as a client.
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Only if, when he falls down, his new driveway is angled down to the street.
p.a.
@Corner Stone: “How was I supposed to know she was 13. She told me she was 18. Hell she looked at least 15…”~ Cheech & Chong
Steeplejack (phone)
@Corner Stone:
Breach of contract. “It was only premature for her!“
Adam L Silverman
@Corner Stone: Is that the old Tampa Bay Buccaneers’ Electric Orange Creamsicle?
LAO
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’m an average cross-examiner, one of the many reasons I moved into Appellate work.
hovercraft
@Frankensteinbeck:
Maybe they should send in the clowns
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Adam L Silverman:
Actually, I’m pretty sure that was in his mortgage paperwork. Because, Cole.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
OT, but this seems like it’s a BFD. America’s Newspaper (read and sold in every public space in America) has seen enough.
USA Today – Trump Unfit For the Presidency Read the list of reasons why. I don’t think anything negative about Trump published in media so far approaches their thoroughness and concise argument as to why. They went all in.
Pogonip
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Don’t move to Ohio. There’s an aggressive-clown epidemic going on there. Not to mention All Fuckeyes, All The Time. (I’m sure each individual Buckeye is a nice young man, but FOOTBALL IS A FUCKING RELIGION OUT THERE. No wonder the clowns cracked up.)
Pardon my French.
Adam L Silverman
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Is Instaputz doing the rebuttal op-ed?
Pogonip
@LAO: why does she think you’re crazy?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Adam L Silverman:
The next best thing – Pence lamely says “Trump is ready to lead”. Sad!
hovercraft
@Adam L Silverman:
On Tweety they said it was a unanimous decision.
Soylent Green
If you want the Malheur trial play-by-play, the go-to joint for comprehensive Bundy talk is a forum called The Fogbow, where a number of stalwart souls have been reporting the daily proceedings. I discovered this site only recently but it’s a treasure trove.
Prescott Cactus
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
IS it really courtificationing if you’re just telling your side ? Telling the man you “done no wrong” has to be done.
You don’t get to pick where you play every ballgame. Feds have home field today so he’s got to courtify. Should he wait sixty or 70 years from now, when he’s a free man, to tell the man “he done no wrong” from the Garden room of Malheur Nursing Home?
If he does testify during an official courtification, must he self “in crumb inate” himself during cross examination or can he reach for a fifth?
Pogonip
@Baud: The entire Baud-party platform in 3 words. Admirably succinct.
LAO
@Pogonip: I asked a million questions about her qualifications (as a trainer not a dog walker) and then asked if I could text her questions about training the puppy. I’ve never adopted a puppy before so I’m worried about how much attention she’ll need and I don’t want to “ruin” this dog by encouraging bad habits.
Mary G
Does anyone besides me feel skeptical about Graham’s testimony that two FBI negotiators had tears running down their faces after he nobly got the last person to surrender?
Miss Bianca
OMFG, he spent money that was supposed to go to a “militia members defense fund” on ROLLING COAL for his truck?
You can’t make this shit up. You can’t make this shit up. You can’t make this shit up. You can’t make this shit up…
Adam L Silverman
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: He has never been known as being very bright.
LAO
@efgoldman: No, they don’t. ?
Adam L Silverman
@hovercraft: I’m pretty sure Instaputz isn’t a member of their editorial board, he just has a regular column with them. Though suspended for another three weeks or so.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: No, no, and no. But, as I’m sure Snack Team 6’s attorney will tell you, there is some question as to the Federal government’s ability to make those kinds of rules.
LAO
@Soylent Green: tiredretiredlawyer is a national treasure.
Punchy
Way to bury the lede. $18 fuckin dollars at Taco Bell? What is that, like 43 burritos? Christ.
LAO
O/T: now this made me laugh . Nothing says sorry like baked goods.
BruceJ
“Sons of Liberty Fugitive Recovery Service” Weren’t the actual Sons of Liberty kinda fugitives themselves at one point?
Steeplejack (phone)
@Corner Stone:
Just flipped to the game. Man, they look like minions in a Grade B ’60s sci-fi movie. I’m trying to concentrate on the bright side that a few years ago they got rid of the helmet on the cartoony dolphin on the helmet logo. Worst one since New England’s “squatting Patriot.”
Prescott Cactus
@LAO:
You mentioned Balloon Juice ?
gogol's wife
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
It’s excellent until the end, when they refuse to endorse Clinton. But still.
Steeplejack (phone)
@Punchy:
In Idaho that could be a hot dinner date.
Steeplejack (phone)
I find Jim Nantz and Phil Simms unobjectionable.
Iowa Old Lady
@gogol’s wife: Yeah, I can’t see that voting for Stein or Johnson is much better than voting for Trump. Nor is writing someone in, which they also suggest. How is that taking on the responsibility of a voter in a democracy?
Steve in the ATL
@Pogonip: oh–did this replace “hookers and blow”?
Ken
A sovereign-citizen militia leader, whose business consists of locating people who are wanted by the court system? Self-reflection is not his strong suit.
Baud
@gogol’s wife: My feelings too.
Grumpy Code Monkey
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
Whoa. That’s, uh, pretty direct.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@gogol’s wife:
It is a very tightly argued comprehensive rundown of his bullshit – the best I’ve seen yet. Although they don’t endorse Clinton, they do, because anyone with half a brain understands that she’s the only alternative, and they admit, in no uncertain terms, that there’s no “both sides” to his outright incompetence. I’m rather shocked to see this, frankly.
Baud
@Steve in the ATL:
No. I just blame Obama for the hookers and blow (if anybody asks).
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Grumpy Code Monkey:
Yes, it is. It’s a bullet to the lizard brain of America.
Baud
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: It’s very plainly written. I hope it helps.
gogol's wife
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
There are a lot of people out there with half a brain, or less, and the franchise.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: Not enough? Too much? Wrong mixture?
Steve in the ATL
@efgoldman: “Kommon klowns of the knew West”
gogol's wife
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
I was just in an after-church discussion in a deep-blue state where people were talking about “protest voting” and “writing in Grumpy Cat.”
burnspbesq
@LAO:
Proof that he prefers martyrdom to acquittal.
gogol's wife
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
It’s really a shame, because it is beautifully done — much better than the New York Times — but the refusal to endorse Clinton is “deplorable,” to coin a phrase.
Adam L Silverman
@BruceJ: Cuts out the middle man or woman.
Uncle Cosmo
@The Lodger: After all the appeals have been laughed out of court it’ll be David “Stir” Fry.
Miss Bianca
@LAO: I got it. But then I’ve never forgotten Bilbo’s Birthday party. : )
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Baud:
It stands out as a stark, no bullshit, no weasel words, no “both sides are bad” truth bomb, read by the masses. They didn’t mince words, and they don’t want this shit normalized. There are lots of people (somehow) still persuadable – I listened to them today in my office, here in Massachusetts. This is a BFD, for people who will be going into the voting booth and in that moment of quiet and privacy, will at the last moment vote for Hillary against Trump, because the USA Today editorial board tells them they’re not alone in their uneasiness about how awful Trump is, and might be. I give them major props.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
Adam, this is O/T from the Bundys, but I wanted to ask you: I noticed that US flags were flying at half-staff today and didn’t know why. Searched and discovered that President Obama had ordered flags at federal establishments to fly at half-staff in honour of Shimon Peres.
Firstly, the ones I saw were not a federal buildings, such as the USPS, but at city/county/private locations (library, big shopping center). Nice of them. Secondly, does this happen often, flying the Stars and Stripes at half-staff as a mark of respect to a foreign (former) leader? I figure you can pull the protocol and history, and save me the heavy googling.
PaulWartenberg2016
The guy spent the money on a f-cking coal roller?!
Damn, I love it when the universe provides the schadenfreude to the synchronicity.
Villago Delenda Est
@Mary G: Yes. He’s lying his worthless dominionist ass off.
Iowa Old Lady
@gogol’s wife: To me, these people are failing in their responsibility as citizens of a democracy. They have the right to participate in choosing the country’s government and they’re refusing to do it. They’d rather “send messages.”
Miss Bianca
@Felonius Monk: Rodeo clowns. No, wait – scratch that. Rodeo clowns actually have a serious purpose.
@Adam L Silverman: Do you just make a habit of threatening people with clowns?
burnspbesq
@Corner Stone:
Yes. The hundreds of burnt orange dildos were glorious to behold. Every undergrad should have a dildo in his/her school colors. Except Clemson.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@gogol’s wife:
They couldn’t get unanimity about endorsing Clinton – they have never endorsed a candidate. They got unanimity about Trump. I accept their statement as being offered in good faith.
Pogonip
@LAO: She’s probably just fed up with helicopter “pet parents.”. You might want to explain that you’re new to this dog thing and that’s why you had so many questions. It’s worth a try.
Pogonip
@Miss Bianca: which occurred on my birthday! Although, unlike Bilbo, I never got a Ring of Power.
raven
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch:
Pogonip
@Steve in the ATL: I hear nothing can replace hookers and blow.
Baud
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Agree. People have been told for so long that Clinton has contagious cooties that it’s important to make them feel comfortable in voting for her.
Uncle Cosmo
Only a matter of time before this trial is rendered into a musical named (of course) Les Malheureuses…
Adam L Silverman
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: So the determination is, as you’ve noted, a prerogative of the President for Federal and international dignitaries and a state or territorial governor for a state level dignitary. This has been done for a number of foreign notables/leaders: Churchill, Sadat Rabin, Mandela, Pope John Paul II, and several others. President Obama specifically did not order half staff for Margaret Thatcher…
Here’s the rules for flying a flag at half staff:
http://www.usflag.org/nff.half.staff.html
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: Maybe I do, maybe I don’t. I actually like clowns.
Miss Bianca
@Pogonip: But did you have 144 guests?
Steeplejack (tablet)
@efgoldman:
You like this?! All righty, then.
Pogonip
@Miss Bianca: No, I was not able to find 144 people willing to admit they know me.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: I like *some* clowns. The clowns in my circus troupe, for example. But some of them are scary and creepy, to be sure. One of them, a guy named Arthur who used to show up at random events when I was a kid, scared the piss out of me. When I heard about John Wayne Gacy, I wasn’t surprised – I was only surprised he wasn’t named Arthur.
Omnes Omnibus
@Steeplejack (tablet): I like it. It appeals to both my traditionalist and my hipster sides.
Anne Laurie
@LAO:
Admitting you don’t know better than the professional is probably a positive, to be honest.
And to be snarky, if she really thinks you’re nuts, she can use her walking stints as an excuse to keep an eye on the puppy!
Pogonip
@LAO: P.S. as you probably noticed when following Walter’s adventures, a dog can change quickly. So even when–oops, if–your dog picks up a few irritating habits you can most likely train them out of him in a few weeks. Or, the easier approach, unless it’s something really bad like Pooping On The Floor, let it go. Most people have irritating habits too. Why expect a dog to be better than you?
Soylent Green
Here in Portland the Poot Corner horse abuser was back with us earlier this week, forcing his terrified horse to negotiate downtown traffic. (Poot Corner is what we call the corner of the city park across from the Hatfield courthouse where the Bundy symps have been resting their butts for three weeks dutifully waiting for passersby to indoctrinate.) The daily national outpouring of support for what I call the Hole-in-the-Head Gang varies between two and five guys. There’s usually at least one Finicum fetishist present.
Here’s another video of the idiot horseman trying to cross the Hawthorne Bridge a block from the courthouse.
Pogonip
@efgoldman: Too much clowning around.
Corner Stone
@Adam L Silverman:
Nobody likes clowns. No one likes clowns.
LAO
@Anne Laurie: to be fair, she sounded more amused than annoyed. I internalize everything. Also, I’m just not sure how I went from looking for an adult dog to a puppy.
SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch
@Adam L Silverman:
I do remember that Mandela and the Pope were honoured with lowered flags. Churchill too, of course. Did not know that there was a specific decision not to fly the flag at half-staff for Baroness Thatcher.
Thanks for the nice long explanatory link. You always come through :-)
Steve in the ATL
@Miss Bianca: your circus troupe? I suppose it would apropos to pie you….
LAO
@Pogonip: A valid point. My last dog (she was 2 when I adopted) had been starved by her prior owner and she never believed that there’d be a next meal. She was an absolute nightmare around food till the day she died.
Miss Bianca
@Steve in the ATL: Only because, unlike the mayor of Sacramento, I am unlikely to punch you in the face…
I still wouldn’t advise it, however. The pie-ing, I mean.
Steeplejack (tablet)
@Omnes Omnibus:
Ugh.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@SiubhanDuinne, liberal mob enforcer bitch: Companies, like the one I work for, can subscribe to an email list that sends out orders from the president or governor about when government facilities should fly the flag at half-staff so they can follow suit.
Prescott Cactus
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Usa Today is in the Gannett Company of newspapers.
They own over 100 US newspapers. Arizona Republic is also under the same roof and they dropped a Clinton endorsement on their readers 2 days ago, only to receive cancellations and some death threats.
KS in MA
@Hungry Joe: Just about anything James Garner was in rocks.
Miss Bianca
@Soylent Green: Parade horses who have been specially trained can handle crowds and traffic and loud noises. But I wouldn’t take your average range horse into the city like that. That guy’s just begging to get thrown and trampled.
Ken
@burnspbesq:
Or that, in the sad little drama playing in his head, he imagines his impassioned statement will cause the judge to order an immediate acquittal and the disbandment of the Federal and all State governments.
Soylent Green
@Miss Bianca: The horse is also shod with steel shoes (not the rubber ones that police equestrians use) which I’m told can make him go lame.
Pogonip
@LAO: And who could blame her? Not me.
Puppies are a blast BUT a lot of work, even if the pup’s just going to be a pet and not a working dog there’ll be lots of training!
Pogonip
@Soylent Green: Really? I hadn’t heard that. It surprises me; metal horseshoes have been around for centuries. We always pet the police horse if the rider agrees; next time I’ll inquire about shoes.
Xmas carriage rides are popular around here and those horses also clop-clop in metal shoes.
Soylent Green
@Pogonip: They aren’t obsolete, just not a very humane choice for urban pavement..
NoraLenderbee GFY
“Sons of Liberty” is a business that goes around capturing people. Delicious.
Hob
@LAO: Yeah, I expect she is used to even more extreme worrywart behavior from intense dog people, especially new dog owners. I wouldn’t worry about it unless she has no sense of humor at all – which would be pretty unusual for anyone in that line of work; dogs and silliness go together.
Omnes Omnibus
@Hob: Not silliness. Goofiness. Dogs are goofy as hell.
joel hanes
@Mary G:
skeptical
I think if I were expecting
within the next half hour
to have to follow the order
“kill these crazy people”
and by some miracle some other nutball said the right crazy things
to make that order unnecessary
I would quite possibly be weeping
EBT
@Adam L Silverman: that last line really sells it. The whole final paragraph is out there but they paced it for the best at last. Good on them.
Lawrence
$18.55 worth of Taco Bell? Somebody’s hungry. I love me some Taco Bell but that’s a five dollar lunch. Aren’t these the same guys who are afraid of Taco trucks? Eighteen bucks worth of Arby’s or Maid Rite would seem more fitting.
Lawrence
@West of the Rockies (been a while): How does that skate by California vehicle emissions laws?
Hob
@Omnes Omnibus: I meant the owners. Dogs are goofy; dog people may or may not be goofy, but will often be silly, especially when it comes to finding ways to worry about the ultimate best way to make everything just right with their dogs. I say that as one of them, even though it’s been a few years since I had a dog. Every dog walker, trainer, vet, etc. that I ever interacted with undoubtedly had to make more allowances for my own psychological quirks than for the dog’s.
Hob
@Soylent Green: Thanks for the Fogbow link. I’m unlikely to follow it regularly— Adam’s updates and the occasional David Niewert column are about as much of that stuff as I can handle— but it seems like a fun and well-informed crowd. Plus my inner 7-year-old is very amused by referring to “patriots” as “poots”, which I hadn’t heard before.
Hob
I also like the Fogbow’s policy of setting aside a whole subforum for right-wing trolls (and people who want to talk to them) to play in to their heart’s content, and naming it “FEMA Camp 7 1/2”.
Unfortunately the whole site seems to be recovering from being hacked at the moment…