Because Chuck Todd is a tool and Balloon-Juice commenters rock, here is my version of the Hillary Preparedness guide.
H/T to Corner Stone, Punchy and to Wapiti for the list.
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Because Chuck Todd is a tool and Balloon-Juice commenters rock, here is my version of the Hillary Preparedness guide.
H/T to Corner Stone, Punchy and to Wapiti for the list.
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germy
tweet from Dr. Stein:
Major Major Major Major
@germy: oh my god. STFU.
Bailey
She did very well in some respects last night — most definitely in needling Trump to expose himself and melt into a pile of blabber towards the end.
In all of her preparations, though, she has to get better answers on the subject of trade. She is very vulnerable there and if she’s going to tout her husband’s administration, she needs more specific answers of how the gov’t has countered the manufacturing fallout and how she intends to go further. “Education” and “Investments” sounds too vague. There are good stories from the Obama administration in Ohio — she needs to pull those out and speak to them. Far better for her to refer to Obama’s from the ashes recovery economy than to harken back to Bill’s.
It didn’t come up, but hopefully she has good responses on Clinton Foundation, too. She needs to be wonky/accessible and explain their good works. It still lingers in the air as a “scandal.”
She delivered some blows to Trump, certainly, but didn’t knock him out.
TaMara (HFG)
@Bailey: Well you must be incorrect, because Chuck Todd says she was over prepared and that is bad.
dmsilev
@germy: Is she still polling below the dead gorilla?
eclare
@TaMara (HFG): I love it! Well done!
BR
@Bailey:
There is actually an easy-ish answer, which is that manufacturing was already fleeing in the 1970s. Someone mentioned that Springsteen songs from the ’80s already were about it. So this is a long process and anyone who tells you they have a magic answer for something that has gone on for 50 years through Ds and Rs is trying to trick you.
Calouste
@germy: That woman needs mental help.
scott (the other one)
I don’t know anything about Chuck Todd’s personal life and don’t want to know anything about Chuck Todd’s personal life, but I still like to think Chuck Todd got home last night to be greeted by his wife and teenage daughter saying, “seriously, man? WTF was with that tweet?”
Bailey
@TaMara (HFG):
I doubt you can over-prepare (and as Trump shows you can certainly under-prepare) but that doesn’t mean answers can’t be sharpened.
scott (the other one)
@germy: Physician, heal thyself. ‘cuz, Doc, you need some serious healin’.
Bailey
@BR:
That is true. HRC still needs a better overhead discussion on this, obviously, complicated issue. She doesn’t have it yet.
inventor
@Bailey: Bernie would have hit him SO HARD on the income tax thing…oh wait…
Percysowner
According to Jeremy W. Peters of the New York Times Clinton Could Have Corrected Trump, but He Blared ‘Wrong!’.
I really want to go PUNCH Jeremy W. Peters AND the New York Times.
chopper
what i want to see in FL and OH is an ad quoting trump on his incessant need to stiff every worker he can find and asking “do you think he won’t do the same to your social security?”
Bailey
@inventor:
What does Bernie have to do with anything? He wasn’t the one on stage.
She did a great job with the income tax thing. But his taxes aren’t really “policy” and Americans are concerned more about “jobs” than Trump’s “taxes.”
JMG
@Bailey: I’d bet anything one word we will never hear in the next debates is “foundation.” Each candidate has one. One saves children’s lives. The other buys portraits of its founder and serves as a tax dodge. Trump doesn’t dare attack on that line.
Patricia Kayden
@germy: Lol! She is so delusional to the point where she’s almost Trump-like.
Schlemazel
Sorry but the chart is not quite right.
“Normal” -> ‘just sort of OK for a high school debater’
“Had severe head trauma” -> ‘still better than Trump’
RaflW
@germy: What a maroon. Debating against a cassette tape machine with a pause button. Tragicomic.
germy
@Major Major Major Major: @dmsilev: @Calouste:
TaMara (HFG)
@Bailey: Please check your sarcasm/snark meter, because I think it is broken.
Chris T.
@BR: And Billy Joel, “Allentown”, released in 1982…
Patricia Kayden
@Bailey: She didn’t have to knock him out. His mouth did that for her.
chopper
@inventor:
HAH!
germy
@RaflW: Rupert Pupkin 2016
rikyrah
Only a Woman or a Non-White ANYTHING would ever be criticized for being ‘ overprepared’ – as if that’s a bad thing. Can’t let the mediocre White man be shown as mediocre, can we?
amk
@Percysowner: It’s all her fault that the congenital liar kept spouting lies. Media mofos.
Bailey
@JMG:
He might not attack on it, but it very well might come up in a moderator’s question since it is clearly something that the public has concerns about, rightly or wrongly. She needs to be far more specific and explanatory (without going down those Trump rabbit holes) than she was on the trade issue. And once the question is raised, I have no doubt she’ll also be able to counter-punch on the scam that is Trump’s foundation.
RaflW
@TaMara (HFG): The only person Chuck Todd disqualified last night was Chuck Todd.
Jeffro
@Bailey: @BR:
Folks, I wouldn’t overthink it too much. Her answers are fine and her solutions actually *exist*, as in, they are real policies, which is more than Trump can say.
LOVE the “preparedness” chart, thanks TaMara, Corner Stone, Punchy and Wapiti! I’m off to go annoy the crap out of my dad and brother with it!
Miss Bianca
@Percysowner: shorter Jeremy Peters: “We’re gonna criticize Hillary Clinton for not doing to Trump what we haven’t been doing for MONTHS! Because we gotta find SOMETHING else to criticize her for, and it sure as shit can’t be her actual performance!”
Mnemosyne
@BR:
I was a teenager in the 1980s and vividly remember the mass layoffs in manufacturing. Michael Moore’s first film, “Roger and Me” is all about him trying to confront the then-CEO of GM over those plant closures.
And, yet, somehow, people older than me have shoved that down the memory hole and massive offshoring of manufacturing didn’t start until NAFTA because Reasons.
Bailey
@Patricia Kayden:
In many respects, but not others.
She has to knock him out on the economic issues, not just his trustworthy-what-a-flaming-pile he is issues. She didn’t knock him out on the economic issues.
Schlemazel
@srv:
And I would do much better fighting a blind 6 year old quadriplegic than a marginally competent boxer who had too much to drink. Once again you manage to make yourself look like an dolt in defense of idiocracy.
Miss Bianca
@germy: I think I just threw up in my mouth a little…should I ask Dr. Stein what the best medicine is for the desire to punch her in the neck with a syringe?
amk
@rikyrah:
Bingo. chucky toady defending his ilk.
Another Scott
Just a reminder – There’s still no Federal Budget. Maybe they figure that since October 1 is a Saturday that it doesn’t matter, but …
Not a word about this during the debate… (sigh)
Cheers,
Scott.
Dmbeaster
I am assuming that Todd intended to convey the idea that at times her delivery was “canned” and allegedly not genuine – that old trope about her. But he stupidly called it “over-prepared”, as if an alleged wooden delivery results from alleged over preparation. The trope itself is bogus, and Todd is too stupid to even get it out right.
eclare
@JMG: I don’t know. If Trump is willing to attack Hillary over Bill when he has plenty of skeletons in his closet…
Miss Bianca
@Bailey: shorter you: “I can’t possibly admit that HRC is a good candidate or did a good job. Let’s keep talking about all the ways she still has to satisfy me – oops, I mean “the voters”.”
chopper
@Patricia Kayden:
eh, hilz could have walked over, torn his throat out and squatted down and pissed all over the corpse and some people here would be complaining that the piss wasn’t quite the right shade of yellow they like.
“i give her a B, too hydrated”
goblue72
@Bailey: Its difficult to come up with a good answer, when your policy position was wrong. Clinton is lucky that Trump is such a moron. A more capable opponent could crush her on trade.
The critics of neoliberal hyper globalization are looking more and more correct. And are getting bigger and bigger economic guns on their side of the argument – Put Globalization to Work for Democracies.
Keith G
I know Chuck Todd has taken heat from here for the “over prepared” comment. Yet, that was not wildly different than what a team of former Obama speech writers (Favereau, Lovitt and Vietor) noted that some of her responses seemed overly scripted and that she spoke too long on a few answers. I immediately could guess which they were talking about. And these are guy definitely inside the bubble.
Bailey
@TaMara (HFG):
It isn’t. Unless you think I fall into the Chuck Todd way of thinking.
? Martin
@Bailey: That’s the risk of the voting for questions format for the next debate. You get a bunch of 4chaners pile onto the foundation question, she handles it well and immediately pivots back onto Trump’s foundation.
amk
Amazing how the bsbots here, who lost to hillz, are now full of sage advice on what she needs to do to win.
germy
@Mnemosyne:
I entered the workforce full-time in the late ’70s. It was sometime in the early to mid-eighties that layoffs started hitting everywhere. I saw friends escorted out of the building one week before xmas and I was laid off a few times myself. It was basically management deciding they wanted MORE money and less expense. (expense being paid employees) It was around that time that benefits started being cut, and management got more abusive.
bemused
@TaMara (HFG):
I am just wondering what Chuck Todd knows about being over-prepared.
Doug R
I don’t see NAFTA as all that bad. First, it was Signed by Daddy Bush. Second it helped net migration flip back to Mexico. Third, according to a LA Times article, 40 cents out of every dollar of Mexican production is American product, unlike China which is somewhere around 3 cents.
Patricia Kayden
@chopper: Too true. She’ll never be enough for some people but that’s ok. She’ll be a great President especially in light of whom she is running against.
inventor
@Dmbeaster: Given that Chuck spent at least four years in college with no degree, perhaps he is confusing “over prepared” with “prepared”.
dmsilev
@Miss Bianca:
I believe Dr. Stein is homeopath-curious, so take a syringe and dilute it by a factor of 100 trillion in water, remembering to hit the container firmly on each dilution.
piratedan
need to add a black band for willfully obtuse, because that’s where Chuck Todd lives
Bailey
@goblue72:
I don’t necessarily disagree with you here. Two contradictory things are true: 1. Global trade is necessary, as HRC pointed out (and whether it started before NAFTA is immaterial because NAFTA both exemplifies it and accelerated certain job migration) 2. The US has always needed a better internal response to that job migration to mitigate the fall out.
Trump’s argument that she could have been working on this for 30 years is effective. (Even if it isn’t wholly true.) She needs a better counter punch here.
Part of the problem is that NAFTA overlaps with extreme tax cutting on the higher end that has curtailed homeland investment. Part of it is that philosophically, one party doesn’t believe the gov’t should make that investment.
Hell, she should throw in the rationale of supporting universal health care for that reason too: Getting that huge bill off the backs of our businesses makes them more competitive here rather than abroad where they don’t assume those costs.
Schlemazel
@eclare:
I wish he would go after Hillary for Bill’s bad behavior. I bet she was prepared for that & could cite a laundry list of stupid shit Donny has said about infidelities of his own & how he couldn’t keep his first 2 marriages together. It would have been a bloodbath and I bet a dollar his prep team specifically warned the dumbass from mentioning the subject.
TaMara (HFG)
@amk: The trolls are thick today, wearing their concern faces.
BR
@Chris T.:
Exactly.
Paging Uncle Joe Biden, you are needed for podium pounding.
Trollhattan
@amk:
Yep. Sad! Even Pierce is having his “Trump woulda, coulda, almost did…” moments today, although the juxtaposition of adjacent posts–“There is probably no way for Hillary Clinton to win this debate” “Hillary Won because Donald Turmp is a sham”–has me wondering which Trump he’s been watching this last year?
Doug R
@goblue72: Definition of “NEOLIBERAL”, please. And no contradictory explanations. And show your work.
Schlemazel
@TaMara (HFG):
That explains the sad stench of desperation they are emitting.
Bailey
@Doug R:
It was negotiated by Bush but signed by Clinton.
But it brings up a good point — for many, NAFTA is a bad word, even if people don’t know all the ins and outs of it. (Same with TPP, for that matter.) It would probably be very effective to throw a stat like that out there and acknowledge that while that is a net “savings” it is not enough to just protect the trade, but must do more to re-train to protect the job.
Trollhattan
@Schlemazel:
Oh god, he simply can’t. He’ll shed half his current women voters within 30 seconds.
He went into the debate thinking he had plenty of weapons to get under her skin. She went in with a smile, facts and kevlar.
D58826
@Percysowner: and if she had corrected old little hands this guy would be complaining that she was coming across as a school marm and shrew. Clinton rules.
amk
@TaMara (HFG): It’s comical since just 24 hours earlier, the same clowns were predicting how the deadbeat donnie is gonna wipe the floor with her. With fanbois like this, no wonder bs lost.
Schlemazel
@goblue72:
Oh for gods sakes! Are you done fucking yourself already? Obviously you didn’t do a good enough job. Go back and do it again until you get it right. Just go fuck yourself
Mnemosyne
@Keith G:
I saw Chuck Todd say it in real time, and it was even dumber than his tweet. Not only did he complain that she was “overprepared,” he complained that both candidates talked too much about themselves and he was upset on behalf of the American people.
He’s just not good at being a pundit, because it seems like he panics on live TV and blurts things out without thinking them through. “Some of her points sounded a little too canned” makes a lot more sense than “overprepared.”
Wapiti
A couple more popular culture data points: the movie Wall Street was made in 1987. Pretty Woman was made in 1990. Both involved capitalists making money in part by destroying companies.
NAFTA didn’t go into effect until 1994.
waysel
@Bailey: You are an idiot.
scav
As well as a dish best eaten cold, I’d say revenge is also a dish best eaten as dessert and savored slowly. The excitable may have all their ambitions fulfilled by a single knock-out punch in an early round, with an immediately following arm-raise, prance-round and trip to the locker room. Theres’s also something to be said for a solid drawn out fight where the opponent feels every blow, feels the blood running down his face, the wiggly tooth and his back against the ropes for a few rounds. Pragmatically, she’s running a campaign so can’t always indulge, but it’s could be an effective technique against an opponent that just might lose it and clock himself in the face and save you the trouble. (Not that I expected to end up here when I started with a solid rich vanilla ice-cream with maybe some caramel.)
nonynony
@Schlemazel: I’m a political idiot and even I can see how badly this would work out for Trump. She could start with “why would that matter – I’m the one running for President not my husband” and then segue into how Trump’s first and second marriages ended.
It’s radioactive for Trump and he may not even realize it. She and Bill worked out their marriage issues and kept it together. He’s dumped two wives for younger models. Not only is his house made of glass, it’s made of very brittle, very old glass and he should step very softly before casting any stones.
waysel
@BR: I’m surprised she didn’t mention the fact that most of the rust belt was already dead by the time NAFTA occurred.
Roger Moore
@bemused:
It’s something other people do, so it must be awful.
eclare
@Schlemazel: Oh I have no doubt, and I hope he does too because it will backfire on him, and he is too stupid to see that. Yeah, Trump, attack a woman for her husband’s affairs, see how that goes over. Oh, and when you’re done, I’ll just open the door to your closet to look for skeletons.
So he could be stupid enough, in the same way, to attack the Clinton Foundation.
germy
nonynony
@waysel: She’s not going to say stuff like that. It would be taken as an insult by the people who live in the rust belt. And she needs Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan votes.
The problem is that while in some cases the facts may be on her side, nobody wants to hear it. It sounds like excuse making and she’s best off not looking like she’s making excuses or shifting blame unless she can figure out a way to pin it directly onto someone like Ronald Reagan or Richard Nixon. Nixon would be the safest if she could build a case – Reagan is still viewed as too much a saintly figure by people who aren’t right wing nutjobs. Only nutjobs like Nixon these days.
Timurid
@germy:
Trump was sniffling because Jill stole all his cocaine.
Iowa Old Lady
@Trollhattan: He has zero understanding of her. I suspect they believe the version of her they’ve constructed in their heads–hysterical, ball-busting, dishonest, sickly. When they’re confronted with her in person, they’re unable to function. It reminds me of when the Rs drank their own kool-aid bout Obama being stupid and unable to talk without a teleprompter. Remember how they met with him for questions and agreed to have cameras present? Obama crushed them.
piratedan
@Mnemosyne: he will never be happy no matter what Ms. Clinton does. I’ve gotten to the point where I simply ignore anything he says, he’s like David Gregory Jr.
TaMara (HFG)
@eclare: Definitely will do it. I mean he went on FOX this morning and doubled down on fat chicks are ugly and I never sniffled…..
Alternate reality, indeed.
Bailey
@waysel:
LOL. Yes, I’m the idiot. Meanwhile you think the Pretty Woman / Allentown “The Rust Belt Was Already Dead” discussion is the right way to go. Incredible.
andy
This must have been mentioned already somewhere, but what the heck:
That damn number again!
amk
Toles nails the debate and the 3rd rate hack media.
Dog Dawg Damn
Been watching MSNBC today for whatever stupid reason. Every single undecided they interview is leaning Trump . . . and every single one is a man.
I’m sure this has a lot to do with how men are conditioned to believe their opinions matter, and women are conditioned to believe they shouldn’t ever voice theirs. God, I hope women show up on November 9th and shut these fellas up once and for all.
Chillax
Trump is going to bring out a fuckin BAZOOKA on Hillary’s ass tomorrow. Can’t spoil the surprise , but rest assured it will completely change the conversation
Too close to call…
germy
SenyorDave
I think she needs to come up with a better answer for Rust Belt manufacturing jobs. Unfortunately any good answer is too complicated and nuanced for a debate. You would have to explain how the nature of manufacturing has changed, since robots have made the process much less labor intensive. Perhaps she could say that the person who used to be a machine operator will have to re-train to repair some of the line machines, or just generally emphasize the re-training aspect, and then drift into a plan for making US manufacturing more competitive. She can’t tell the truth about most of these jobs never coming back, and she has to at least appear sympathetic to the issue.
Also she should hit Trump hard about the fact that when given the chance he constantly purchases stuff not made in America (especially his Make America Great Again hats).
Trollhattan
@Iowa Old Lady:
Great points, all. Recalling that Willard hadn’t prepared a concession speech, that “genius bidnez dude” surrounded himself with so many enablers and sycophants he couldn’t see beyond the bubble they fashioned around him. Trump is Romney on coke and ego boosters.
Bailey
@SenyorDave:
Wait, wait, let me be the first to call you an “idiot.” Don’t worry, it’s coming….
germy
Trollhattan
@Chillax:
Hi RTR. Nice use of ALL CAPS AND BF. So unlike you.
kindness
@Bailey: – Me thinks that if American’s were presented with the information that Trump pays no Federal Taxes and hasn’t for years American’s would be very concerned.
& btw, the snark at Bernie’s expense along this subject was certainly valid for this thread.
Chyron HR
@Bailey:
I see you’re back to the “grab an unrelated person and insist that they’re being criticized, too” defense. How well did that work for you the last time you had a meltdown here?
randy khan
@Schlemazel:
You beat me to it.
Bailey
@efgoldman:
It might be a third-level issue for many higher income earning Dems, but it is certainly not a third-level issue for many attracted to Trump. (And Bernie for that matter.) That statement alone is indicative of some Dems living in their own bubble.
Wapiti
@nonynony: I could see how people in the Rust Belt would be offended.
Still, from this thread, and people’s recollections… It was happening 30-40 years ago, a generation lost. And despite all of the tax cuts to the rich from Reagan onwards, they haven’t returned the industry. Smart money says more tax cuts to the rich aren’t going to bring those jobs back.
Chyron HR
@Chillax:
I realize that asking Republicans questions about objective reality is basically bullying, but have any of your predictions ever been, in the most technical literal sense of the word, “correct”?
Bailey
@kindness:
So far, Americans are giving a big collective shrug regarding the fact that he hasn’t, and won’t, release his taxes.
Comparing debate tactics between the two, snark or not, is entirely futile. And banging on a long since dead horse.
Bailey
@Chyron HR:
You may need to re-check your definition of “melt down.” It does not mean what you think it means.
Major Major Major Major
Bailey has a weird emolex score.
Gelfling 545
@Percysowner: You know, when I was a nice young girl in Catholic school the nuns were always telling us how it was the role of women to make men behave in a civilized fashion. I thought it was bunk even then. Apparently this guy has the same idea. Was Hilary’s role last night to correct Trump? I think not. Her role was to present her plans and policies and, if the opportunity or necessity of correcting him arose, fine. But to expect her to spend all her time correcting him is just nonsense. She was there to speak for herself.
NotMax
@Chyron HR
It breathed in too much exhaust from the convoy of Brink’s trucks backing up.
Mnemosyne
@waysel:
Not only that, but mass illegal immigration from Mexico and Central America had already happened thanks to Reagan’s wars in El Salvador and Nicaragua. People who were afraid of being killed by right-wing death squads were forced to sneak in illegally because they weren’t allowed to claim political asylum and being deported would have meant being murdered.
So weird that I remember all of these terrible policies from the Reagan years that are still screwing us today and conservatives don’t. So weird. ?
LAO
I’m going off topic for a minute because all of my friends, family and co-workers are sick of me talking about it BUT I’m so freaking stoked, after weeks of looking for a rescue to adopt — I think I may have found the one! I just had my interview with the rescue organization’s CEO and apparently passed, which was a huge relief since it is harder to adopt a dog than qualify for a mortgage, and now I can finally meet the pup, I’m literally freaking out, I don’t want to jinx it but its been years since I owned a dog and I have nothing for her. Should I buy bowls, bed, crate and toys — or wait, because maybe she isn’t the one?
Mike E
Heh, gaslighted by trolls…it’s so passive and meta. Lettuce savor!
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
No shit. I don’t do Twitter, but seeing her Tweet sorely tempts me to get an account, and then go to her stream to tell her exactly what you just said. I’m starting to think that she’s worse than Nader, but without Nader’s charm.
TaMara (HFG)
@Bailey: You should cut your losses and exit. No one here is buying what you’re selling.
amk
rtr, the usual bsbots.
TaMara – You shouldn’t have put Hillary in the thread title. It’s all your fault.
Ksmiami
@Chillax: AAh I see RTR/biggest loser is back spraying his jizz all over trying to pollute BJ. hey are you the 400 lb hacker Trump referred to last night? it would be irresponsible not to speculate…
Schlemazel
@nonynony:
Well you disqualified yourself from Trump support in your first sentence by pointing out that you are not, in fact, an idiot. Trump still has not proven he is not an idiot.
TaMara (HFG)
@LAO: This is always welcome news!!! Congrats.
Mnemosyne
@Chillax:
Cleanup needed in Aisle 87. The banned troll pooped on the floor again.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
I am in awe that Chuck Todd exceeded expectations with that over prepared is bad thing. Is his bonuses based on how stupid he can get?
Pundit “So Chuck, about this over prepared thing..”
Chuck Todd “Yes, look at it this way – was Patton prepared when the Germans attack Pearl Harbor? No. He went out and won the battle. Simply put, Hilary Clinton is over prepared to step into Patton’s shoes at Pearl Harbor.”
Pundit “Well it was the Japanese and we lost at Pearl Harbor.”
Chuck Todd “Now, now. You’re fact checking.”
Bailey
@TaMara (HFG):
A pretty weird comment given that others have posited the exact same thing I have.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
I think that, based on her highly professional manner and sophisticated GOTV operation, she has now pulled even. She’s still trailing a live gorilla, however.
Another Scott
@SenyorDave:
I agree. And she had pieces of the answer (manufacturing employment increased under Bill, we’re 5% of the population and have to trade with the rest of the world, etc.). Maybe something like:
There were a lot of bad effects of NAFTA, some that were foreseen and some that weren’t. But the most important lesson isn’t that trade deals are automatically bad, but that trade deals alone aren’t enough. We have to constantly work to make sure that all of our workers are treated fairly, that they have room for advancement and learning new skills, and that government continually works to make things better. We have to prevent dumping of products with the intent to destroy our manufacturing base. We can’t rest on the infrastructure that our parents and grandparents built, but we have to always be building a better foundation for our kids and grandkids…
I’ll bet she’ll have something ready for the next time.
Cheers,
Scott.
catclub
@Roger Moore: yes, somebody (at LGM?) pointed out that Chuck Todd spent 4 years at college but did not graduate. They figured exam preparation was not his forte.
TaMara (HFG)
@amk: Next time I’ll remember to put up the reminder not to feed them…like trump they live for the attention…and they’ll spin the negative attention to positive polls in their little heads.
Mnemosyne
@LAO:
I would wait to buy stuff except what you would need to already have at home when you bring the pup there. I don’t have a dog, so I’m not sure what that would be — probably the leash/collar/harness and food bowls. I would wait on the crate until you meet the pup and get an idea of if it’s going to grow more, and how much, so you can get the right size.
Schlemazel
@randy khan:
Well, we did share a family name for a bit so maybe there is a real connection there :)
Seanly
@scott (the other one):
I’d like to think that they kicked him in his stupid junk and got that smirk off his face.
eclare
@LAO: Congratulations! Would you actually get to take the dog home if the interview went well? Just thinking you might have time between the interview and bringing the dog home.
ETA: Sorry, meeting the pup. Would you get to take it home right then? If so, is there a pet store near the shelter where you could get essentials?
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey: In case it wasn’t clear, other people aren’t you.
SFAW
@RaflW:
If only Bob Greenblatt felt that way …
eclare
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: Brilliant!
Schlemazel
@Major Major Major Major:
maybe it is not one person but a shared account in the RNC basement
LAC
@srv: that is true. President Romney thought so too. Listen, just because your rock got moved a little doesn’t mean you have to crawl out from under it
Major Major Major Major
@Schlemazel: Do go on
Mnemosyne
@Another Scott:
She seemed to be going that direction but, contra Chuck Todd, she needs to polish and prepare that answer a bit more. I think pointing out that it’s no longer 1992 and we have some good data on what worked and what didn’t would be a helpful thing to include.
I noticed that she started to use a similar strategy with her response about race and incarceration, and that’s probably another good spot for her to say, You know, experts at the time warned us about these “superpredators” waiting to happen, but they were wrong and now I’m a lot more skeptical about that kind of pronouncement.
catclub
@Trollhattan:
.
It is appalling how the old that we have become familiar with seems so much more acceptable.
Romney is a well grounded hard worker compared to Trump. By comparison, he pulled himself up by his bootstraps and hard work – not in his father’s company. By comparison he is ego free – he just happened to believe that he was the embodiment of a Mormon myth of a savior of the nation on horseback.
Sarah Palin in 2008 was actually well prepared (that word again) to be President, by comparison with Trump.
She had been elected to office, dealt with other party officials, worked to improve her knowledge of whether Africa is a country or not
in debate preparation.
Trump is special. I wonder what we will think in 2020.
Bailey
@Major Major Major Major:
Hey Majorx4 — Just how sad are you? Sad that you need medication? Because seriously, the intensity in which you follow me around, begging for attention, is really alarming. I’m concerned that maybe you need a real life friend or perhaps a pet. Your infatuation, while flattering, is a little on the disturbing side.
randy khan
@Bailey:
A few thoughts:
1. Part of what she needs to do on trade is pick some specific points where Trump is wrong on the facts. Before I couldn’t stand listening to him any more, on his very first answer Trump mangled the job statistics in Ohio and Michigan, what Ford actually is doing (hint: no jobs lost as a result of the plant in Mexico), what China is doing with its currency, and – the cherry on top – how a VAT actually works. She didn’t need to respond to him on all of them, but she could have picked one of them and, perhaps, pointed out that what Ford is doing is keeping the high-value business in the U.S. The key point there is that Trump is fighting old fights, and not paying attention to what’s actually happening today. (I should add that I didn’t expect her to do this, but she could have zapped the VAT attack by saying that a VAT is just a national sales tax, and that if Trump thinks the VAT shouldn’t apply to U.S. exports to Mexico, he must also think that sales tax shouldn’t apply to Mexican exports to the U.S.)
2. She, of course, needs to emphasize that she’s against the TPP in its current form because it does not sufficiently protect American workers.
3. The best answer on trade, in many respects, is to say that what we need to do is strengthen our exports in areas where we are strong, and train workers for those jobs.
4. Somebody above said that trade is a third-tier issue, and someone else responded that it’s not to the people most attracted to Trump. I think both of those comments are right, which means it’s worth investing in figuring out a decent answer, but not worth trying to make it so good that it will swing a bunch of Trump voters. The people who think we’re bleeding thousands of jobs a month in Ohio and Michigan also think we should build the wall. She’s not getting those votes.
Chyron HR
@Bailey:
Reminder, just because Bailey has abandoned any pretense of discussing politics and is just ranting incoherently at random people doesn’t mean he’s “melting down”, because shut up, that’s why.
LAO
@eclare: She’s being fostered and has never been in a shelter which is such a plus– the organization has a “no same day” policy, which I respect. (It’s a big decision and deserves some thought.) So I should have time to get what I need, but I’m a neurotic New Yorker, so over course I ready to run to Petco today. Sometimes I’m surprised by my own ridiculousness.
catclub
@rikyrah: I still want someone to ask Chuck Tood what the downside of an over-prepared President is.
They probably have.
LAC
@TaMara (HFG): or you can roll up their food in dog shit, sprinkle it with cat litter and give it to them anyway. Their need for attention is between them and their therapists.
TaMara (HFG)
@LAO: Well I just bought a bowl for my rescue that didn’t manifest, but it’s ok, I had Bixby’s bowls before he was even born. You WILL be using them. I know you will. We’ll be using ours, too, sometime soon.
Nothing is very urgent except maybe a crate – for transport home, especially. I borrowed one for Bixby, since puppy Great Dane is such a relatively fluid concept. Then when he outgrew the borrowed one, I purchased his “full size Dane” crate, which he also eventually outgrew, because really – after about 1 year, anything smaller than a room is too small.
Collar and leash – if you have time between a “yes” and picking her up, then yes, get them. But if you’re not sure, sizes could change between her and your actual “forever” pup.
The rescue should probably give you an idea of what food to start with, because you’ll want to at least start out with the same kind and change slowly.
Schlemazel
@Major Major Major Major:
Well we know from previous reporting that both the GOP and Fox “News” have boilerroom operations where they troll popular websites to be sure that the rightwing is elevated & to damage the left if possible. Given that both are currently suffering a cash shortage perhaps they had to let some of the 400 pounders go. But the accounts are already set up & past moderation so instead of giving up the nym guys just run over & regurgitate bullshit under different nyms. This means the comments do not track a single personality but shift as different klowns roller over and dance for us.
Trollhattan
@SFAW:
TBogg has thrown caution to the wind and decided Jill Stein is the new Sarah Palin. Fits, for the most part.
randy khan
@Schlemazel:
Sadly, in my case it’s a fake family name. (But if you knew me in college, you might know where it came from.)
hovercraft
What happened all four trolls in one thread.
To what do we owe this honor.
MCA1
@Wapiti: And there were plenty of films and music addressing some of the strains our economic system was starting to bare even before those. After that initial 25 year period post-WWII when we had the only functioning industrial base left in the free world, income inequality was already starting to creep upward, capital gained the upper hand on labor, and some of the ideals of good corporate citizenship were already starting to fade away. They weren’t always central themes, but they were there. Think of Mr. Mom (guy laid off from auto plant, wife goes back to work), Caddyshack (ruthlessly skewering the moneyed class as we look on through the eyes of down to earth laborers), The Goonies (rich developer buys an entire working class neighborhood and kicks everyone out), even Fast Times (life is a dead end unless you’re born on third base). Economic insecurity was sprinkled everywhere, class jealousy emerged, as the richer classes started that were starting to ossify and turn more aristocratic and less meritocratic started to get portrayed as rudderless/evil/soulless (think every John Hughes movie, Less Than Zero, etc.), and then eventually even economic xenophobia even started showing up (Gung Ho, for instance).
Back to the original point, though: I don’t know if the right electoral strategy is to point out that our industry-based economy started deteriorating 35 years ago. No one wants to hear that in an election ’cause it’s not “Murka F Yeah!” enough. Despite it being true, and despite the fact that if we’re ever going to move beyond a culture where disaffected white lower middle class people just sit around and stroke their resentments of people who haven’t actually taken their jobs while they wait for a demagogic fascist like Drumpf to come along and whisper to them that he can make it all better again we have to address this reality. Save that for later. You can talk about coal jobs not coming back in a fireside chat from the Oval Office sometime.
randy khan
@Bailey:
These are very different things. I can’t predict for sure how people will react to him not paying taxes, but I think it’s more likely to be an issue for middle class voters as a group.
Bailey
@randy khan:
Yes, she let all that go. I realize that having candidates fact check themselves is a tall order, but the GM deal was a gimme that she missed and it could have really helped her emphasize her point.
Regardless, at least on the issue of the large umbrella of trade, she kind of glossed right past it and she really needs to get more precise. Trying to debate him point by point would be useless because his points are often ridiculous or wrong to begin with.
Or at the very least, she should discuss what about not protecting workers is wrong about it. Having said that, I suspect once the election is over, she will probably go back to supporting TPP as Obama is. Like NAFTA, it probably isn’t the horror show it’s made out to be, but there needs to be re-assurance that some of the potential fall out has been mitigated or considered.
Probably.
I am the person who said it is an important issue for those attracted to Trump. It is. Failure to recognize this is failure. I think HRC certainly knows this but she hasn’t cracked the code in how to effectively speak to it, either in her policies or in her debating style when she’s in front of millions of viewers.
Trollhattan
@catclub:
Oh God, you take that back right now! [throws salt over shoulder, knocks fake office furniture wood, searches junk drawer for mojo talisman]
cmorenc
The Fox News website is literally doing backflips to try to portray the debate as a big win for Trump, Lester Hold as a Clinton tool, and online surveys as showing that by a substantial margin, the public thought Trump won the debate, etc. etc. For example…
and
…while noting this caveat in passing:
I AM…SO SURPRISED.
What’s really telling is that the Fox News website is usually significantly more restrained than their broadcast network in telegraphing their ideological / partisan bias – but obviously someone got orders to aggressively reassure the GOP troops to not believe their lying eyes about what a colossal embarrassment Trump’s unprepared debate performance was.
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Wow. You’re an even bigger asshole than I realized. Nice of you to throw Major^4’s medical history in his face.
Schlemazel
@randy khan:
My “Khan” was just temp when Baud offered me the job of Secretary of internal pacification in the Baud administration. I dropped it after the convention
gene108
@Mnemosyne:
I lived in Michigan, as a kid, in the early 1980’s. There were strikes, negotiations and lay-offs because the auto companies had to automate their factories to keep pace with the quality of foreign imports.
Michael Keaton did a movie, in the mid-1980’s, where a Japanese firm buys an American auto manufacturing plant and there’s a big culture clash. Basically the story is U.S. manufacturing was broke and the Japanese had all the money to buy us out and Michael Keaton had to solve the cultural divide.
I also think a lot of folks blame NAFTA for jobs going to China. I think to a lot of people everything is conflated together, with regards to jobs going overseas.
Bailey
@randy khan:
Maybe but it really isn’t what hurt Mitt Romney and that guy was barely paying anything.
In Trump’s case–because he has this image as a successful businessman–the taxes only become truly relevant if it does show that he’s not all that rich and is, possibly, over-leveraged.
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey: According to my emolex score, if anything I’m a touch on the joyful side. You should be flattered though–my time’s fairly expensive! That I lavish it on you is a luxury.
@Schlemazel: I think its score actually reflects a high degree consistency. Maybe they’re working from a script, then.
Schlemazel
@hovercraft:
Desperation breed contretemps
these poor kids reek of loser stench and it shows.
eclare
@LAO: Ah, that is great she’s never been in a shelter. Just enjoy. Go to the pet store and browse. Question, is she crated now when the foster parents leave? You might not need a crate. Collar/leash/water bowl/food bowl/food/treats. I’d wait to see what kind of toys she might like. Depending on your living arrangements, you might not need a bed.
Mnemosyne
@randy khan:
And you gotta love how Trump shot himself in the foot last night by letting Hillary goad him into bragging about not paying taxes. I’m pretty sure Robby Mook was behind the monitor like, That’s our commercial.
Percysowner
@LAO: I’d wait. The only thing I’d buy ahead of time is a collar and leash and ID tag. I’ve had one rescue that required that and it’s a good idea to take the dog home with all three. That way if something weird happens you have better chance of keeping the dog from running away and if it does, it will have all the ID so you can get him back. You can use bowls you have around the house in an emergency. You need to know what size crate you need before buying one. I’ve rescued 3 dogs and I’ve never needed a crate, so I wouldn’t spend my money on that immediately, unless the rescue tells you to. Toys can wait. He’ll probably be unsettled for at least a week and may not want to play. Then you can take him to a pet store and see what he gravitates to.
I hope he’s the one. Having a dog is so great.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Hey, asshole. Delete Your Self.
hitchhiker
@nonynony:
“Lots of Americans have rough spots in their marriages. Some of us are lucky enough to be able to work through them. On the subject of infrastructure … “
Mnemosyne
@gene108:
I saw that movie. It was called Gung Ho and it still lives in my memory as one of the most racist movies I ever saw from Hollywood. I was pissed at the friend who loved it and recommended it.
MCA1
@gene108: Beat you to it (by a mere 7 posts)!
Major Major Major Major
Anybody who actually read this blog would be quite aware that I have a pet.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
I’m only here for the pictures.
Mnemosyne
@Percysowner:
And then she can make us a video like this one!
Tokyokie
@Trollhattan: As well a couple of shivs under the ribs that he didn’t see coming.
Bobby Thomson
@Chris T.: which has nothing to do with Allentown, PA. Allentown continues to thrive. Bethlehem lost the steel jobs but doesn’t rhyme as well.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: of my pet?
Bobby Thomson
@Mnemosyne: of course, that Gung Ho wasn’t as racist as the one made in the 40s.
LAO
@eclare: She’s crate trained and housebroken at 4 months — which is amazing. I will be browsing today. LOL. I really need to get a grip.
@Percysowner: Sound advice — I did ask and they suggested a crate (she won’t get much bigger than 30lbs).
gene108
@waysel:
A lot of manufacturing jobs, in the South, for example, had not experienced the same problems as the heavy industries in the North.
Textile manufacturing in eastern NC was still a way to make a living, as well as furniture manufacturing in western NC. By the end of the 1990’s, those jobs were going or gone.
We’d be remiss to dismiss the fact there has been a real problem of people losing jobs, with nothing equal to replace them.
There was also a problem of illegal immigration, which cut into what people in the trades could earn.
The argument that needs to be made is how only government can push investment in rural and non-urban areas. This is how electricity and sewage came throughout the USA, because the government mandated utilities service those areas or the government did it themselves.
Same thing might be possible for renewable energy and the “jobs of the future”, which will be needed.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
No, although kitty pictures — even ones where they look like they’re saying “WTF with the camera?” — are OK by me.
It was sorta of a reverse Playboy thing (“I only buy it to read the articles.”)
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: Ahh, I knew there was a reference I was missing, I just didn’t know what it was. You know that feeling?
gene108
@Mnemosyne:
Saw it with my mom, when it came out. We both liked “Mr. Mom”. Was disappointed by it. Don’t remember much, other than the Japanese were uptight and the Americans had to teach them to loosen up.
Edit: We liked Mr. Mom, the only other Michael Keaton movie we’d seen, so figured this might be good too, since it had the same lead.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Of course.
I am constantly reminded that I am not aware of all Internet traditions.
Miss Bianca
@LAO: tell us more!! what does she look like? How old is she?
I can understand the impulse to run out and fluff up the nest, but I’d wait till it was confirmed. The only thing as sad as “for sale, baby shoes, never worn” would be a brand-new floofy unused doggie bed and unopened bags of treats.
But am so excited for you!
Miss Bianca
@Enhanced Voting Techinques: Ha! Well-done – just the way HRC cooked Trump steak last night!
Mnemosyne
@Bobby Thomson:
I kind of expect Hollywood movies of the 1940s to be at least a little bit racist and have my wince ready to go. I was not mentally prepared for a Hollywood movie of the 1980s to be that bad, which is probably why it lives in infamy in my memory.
It was also one of those turning points as both a sheltered suburban white girl and an aspiring film major of, WTF was that bullshit?! How was that even funny?
ETA: I also just realized that I always get the title of “Go For Broke!” wrong and thought I might have to defend it. Thank god for IMDb for preventing an embarrassing mistake!
Major Major Major Major
Where did Bailey go? Now I’m lonely.
Monala
@Mnemosyne: Not only that, but NAFTA was negotiated by George HW Bush. Clinton added some worker and environmental protections to the bill when he came into office, and hten signed it.
TaMara (HFG)
@LAO: Hey, why don’t you hop into the next post and repost your questions and give us more info. I think we all need a break from the troll thread.
TaMara (HFG)
@Major Major Major Major: I’m here for you…feel free to “stalk” me.
Villago Delenda Est
@Chyron HR: We all remember how ¡Heb! was going to utterly destroy Teh Donald last year around the holidays.
That devastating bazooka is why ¡Heb! got his clock cleaned last night by Hillary in the debate…
Major Major Major Major
@TaMara (HFG): Did you know that your comments rate more than two standard deviations above normal for joy?
Roger Moore
@scav:
I would also point out to people who like responding to trolls that revenge is a dish best served with pie, IYKWIMAITYD.
LAO
@Miss Bianca: she’s 4 months old. A mutt, Brittany spaniel, hound mix. Weighs about 14 lbs and is expected to top out at 30lbs. And I have decided to wait until I meet her before I go crazy with the buying.
LAO
@TaMara (HFG): lol. Will do.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: OMG, my Sovay picked out a hedgie like that one when she was just a pup – the only toy she ever emphatically chose for herself! And, unlike all the other stuffies that she de-stuffed almost instantly upon receiving, Mr. Mo’ survived for a number of years before being gradually gummed to death. Funny!
Major Major Major Major
@Miss Bianca: How are the kitties?
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Don’t start THAT shit — sounds like the departed (banned?) Tiny Bootlikefootwear with his Omnes Obsession.
glory b
@BR: Yes. Pittsburgh steelworkers were protesting the plant closings here long before Bill Clinton was president.
By the time he was in office, it was a done deal.
Also, I question the ads I see for Trump where he promises to bring the industry back again. The infrastructure surrounding those steel mills was ENORMOUS, I don’t think anyone really expects it could be recreated.
Not to mention, new technology means it takes only a small percentage of steelworkers to manufacture the same amount of steel as they did back then.
Humdog
@Bailey: Major*4 is here all the time. You show up to tell us all how he should be medicated and HE is the stalker? Get over yourself. Really
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: OK, OK, I was being sarcastic, but point taken.
Miss Bianca
@gene108:
This is an argument that needs to be made and re-made continually, particularly in the rural West, one because we’re so ignorant of our history that we need to be reminded of it, and two, because “government” has been so demonized, people either just don’t know or don’t believe that it has a legitimate role to play in promoting services. Public-private partnerships are the only way that reliable and affordable electricity and water projects came to the West – it’s the only way that reliable and affordable broadband and cell-phone service is going to become available everywhere.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Oh, I knew you were being sarcastic. It was just the phrasing that set my teeth on edge. LB’s shit used to annoy me far out of proportion to what it should.
Bailey
@Humdog:
Really. Majorx4 may well live here, but his desperation in having someone talk to him is palpable.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Unlike yours, of course.
Bailey
@SFAW:
Strangely, I thought this was a blog to talk politics. Weird, right?
For your reading pleasure, here is the sunshine and joy that is Majorx4, craving so desperately my love. Emphasis on “desperate.”
https://balloon-juice.com/2016/09/25/and-the-stage-is-set/#comments
randy khan
@Bailey:
Not paying much in taxes and bragging that you don’t pay any taxes will, I’m pretty sure, play differently.
@Mnemosyne:
I’m sure the ads are on their way.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Thanks for the lesson in stalking. I don’t think I’ll ever need or want to learn from your wisdom in that regard, but it’s nice to know you’re a resident expert.
ETA: Well, actually, not “nice,” but certainly informative.
Mike E
@amk: it’s germy’s fault, rubbing Jill Stein onto this petri dish at the start! SAD
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey: Oh, phew, now people can just look at me making fun of you yesterday so I don’t have to do it again here. Nice zinger though, that link!
Miss Bianca
@Major Major Major Major: they are awesome and feisty – Lefty has met Luna, my Siberian Husky, and was totally unafraid of her! This flummoxed Luna, because she’s used to cats running from her, which triggers her prey drive – so she was all like, “you smell like a snack but you’re not acting like one!” In the end, they were actually sort of playing – it was so cute! I was so proud of Lefty Kitty! Pancho slept thru’ the whole encounter, Luna never even noticed him!
chopper
@Bailey:
honestly, nobody here gives a shit about you or your opinions. in large part we only really respond to tell you you’re annoying and should go fuck yourself.
fuck along, now.
SFAW
@chopper:
You forgot
Polandto say “please.”Bailey
@chopper:
Group think, huh?
The level of intelligence and ingenuity on display is sorely lacking.
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey: So do you just enjoy the abuse or something? Righteous anger over pseudonymous strangers make you feel like a big boy? You’re an only child, aren’t you?
Captain C
@germy: She’s a legend in her own mind.
Bailey
@Major Major Major Major:
Petfinder.com
SFAW
@Bailey:
Who knew (at the time) that this:
was just another case of projection?
And yet, you manage to bring it even lower, with almost every comment you make. Well, I guess it must be reassuring to you to be good at what you do.
Bailey
@SFAW:
Good lord. You keep querying me as though I were speaking to you. I ignore you and you keep coming back for me. Need my attention much?
chopper
@Bailey:
you’re not fucking along.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: Everybody’s got to have something to be good at!
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
You mean you finally figured out that the whole group here thinks you’re an asshole because you insist on being a dick to the regulars and then play martyr when you’re called out for it?
Bailey
@randy khan:
Maybe, maybe not. It’s not any different from the other atrocious things Trump brags about.
Captain C
@Timurid: And then cut it with cheap knockoff MDMA.
Bailey
@Mnemosyne:
Don’t know about the martyr part. But consider me endlessly fascinated by “the regulars” and their desperate need for attention. “Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! I’m somebody here!”
It’s hysterical.
You want to talk politics? That’s what I’m here for. The psychodrama is a bonus.
SFAW
@Bailey:
And yet, here you are.
Project much?
SFAW
@Bailey:
Oh, I get it now! It’s psychological projection turned into performance art!
No wonder you have such an affinity for Trump. One hopes your hands are at least normal-sized, however.
chopper
oy gevult (pinches bridge of nose). would it help if i linked to an online definition of “fuck along, now”?
Bailey
@SFAW:
Affinity for Trump? Oh hell, now I know you’re not paying attention. The comprehension level must be registering in the negatives if that’s what you came up with. Try harder, please.
Major Major Major Major
@Mnemosyne: @Bailey: There’s an old saying I like. If it’s everybody else, maybe it’s you. Have you heard it?
Kathleen
@bemused: Grabbing the daily talking points from the fax machine 10 minutes before air time.
Bailey
@Major Major Major Major:
No, seriously: Petfinder.com
Major Major Major Major
@Kathleen: 10 minutes?? What is he, tsar of all the Russias? He doesn’t have time for that!
@Bailey: Yes? Do you need help with your little hyperlink you keep pasting? You click on it and it takes you to another website. Away from here. One where you can apparently find pets.
SFAW
@Bailey:
It’s not that I’m “not paying attention,” it’s that you’re easy.
But, please, tell me/us again how everyone else is desperate for attention. Maybe this time it will suddenly NOT sound like projection.
Bailey
@Major Major Major Major:
Petfinder.com
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey: Once more, with feeling, please.
Bailey
@SFAW:
It’s the former.
You could probably do yourself a favor and stop trolling me for attention and then I would stop assuming you were desperate for attention. I don’t expect that to happen, but am open to you proving me wrong.
rikyrah
@LAO:
Congratulations! ???
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey: I would suggest that you’re a great example of how online communication can turn smart, well-meaning people into subhuman idiotic trolls but you’re lacking the necessary prior characteristics.
Kathleen
@Major Major Major Major: Silly me! His People grab the talking points from the fax machine.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Yeah, yeah, whatever. You certainly have the “best brain” and thus can comment so intelligently.
Oooh! A large helping of projection, combined with a scoop of “I know you are but what am I?” Not a surprise, of course. Interesting trolling technique, however.
You confirm your self-described desperation with every comment. You may be the only one here to whom it is not obvious. Maybe you can get a “reality” TV show of your own? That seems to be where personality types like yours end up. As I said, it’s your affinity for Trump.
Have fun!!
Elie
@Miss Bianca:
His constant nitpicking is about attention which many here give him. Why bother except if you’re bored and want to pick little scabs.
Major Major Major Major
@Elie:
Drat, you figured me out. :)
chopper
jesus, it’s like you’re at a party at some guy’s house and there’s this self-absorbed preening jackass there who’s shitfaced and annoying the hell out of everyone and won’t leave.
Percysowner
@Mnemosyne: That’s adorable!
Dmbeaster
@nonynony: I think the weaselheaded fucknugget actually knows he would get cold-cocked by Hillary’s comeback. Which is why he blurts it out afterwards and wants credit for “restraint.” Its the only way he could do it – when he does not have to face the retort. Coward but not a complete fool.
Miss Bianca
@Bailey: And what would you call your persistence in showing up and stinking up a site where pretty much everyone thinks you’re an asshole, if not “desperation for attention”? But yours is a very special-snowflake kind of desperation, right? A nice, projection-y sort?
SFAW
@chopper:
Whilst screaming “all you assholes are pissing me off!”
Self-awareness is not in evidence with that one.
SFAW
@Miss Bianca:
Bingo.
Bailey
@Miss Bianca:
Oh hi there, Little Miss Anger Management Issues — nice to see you!
SFAW
@Bailey:
I guess I’m kind of amazed you have resisted the urge to fall back on your tried-and-true “Crooked Hillary” thing. But I guess it’s just a case that someone taught you some new words, not that you’re changing your schtick.
Bailey
@SFAW:
Two things:
1. You’re still here? What is this, some version of “I wish I knew how to quit you?”
2. What does Hillary have to do with this? Little Miss Anger Management Issues is an entity all of her own. I expect the reply with random, screaming all caps in 3….2…1….
Major Major Major Major
@Bailey:
There once was an asshole named Bailey
Who commented on this site daily
When called out on bullshit,
It would, with no wit,
Call you names and be generally fail-y.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Listen, don’t stroke out or anything, OK? You’re starting to become more and more shrill, your “attacks” (figuratively speaking) are getting more-and-more infantile (no surprise there, I guess) and yet more frantic at the same time. I’m sure I speak for all of us here when I express my concern that you’re going to — as they used to say in the 1950s or 1960s — “blow a gasket.” And although we believe in personal responsibility, and your grip on reality is your responsibility, some of us might feel a twinge of guilt for having “driven” you over the edge.
Or perhaps not.
Well, it’s been fun! We must do this again some time, like, oh, 100 years from now. (Not that I think you’ll be able to suppress your attention seeking behaviors for more than a few minutes, if that.)
Off to watch Big Papi!
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
Well, e.e. cummings it’s not, but it’s not bad.
Maybe you can help me with a limerick I’m working on? The first line end with “man from Nantucket,” but I can’t figure out what to do with it from there.
Captain C
@Major Major Major Major: That reminds me of a Mara Wilson quote; I can’t find the exact wording as her site’s not responding, but it’s something along the lines of, “the first person to call you an @sshole is just jealous of your talents. The 99th may be onto something.”
Mnemosyne
@Bailey:
Yes, it’s so odd that people prefer to “talk” to people they know and respect instead of engaging abusive strangers.
Here’s a hint: running up to a group of people who are talking to each other and insulting one or more of them isn’t going to inspire the rest of the group to engage politely with you. The PUAs are wrong when they tell you that people like negging and will be more receptive to you.
Bailey
@SFAW:
LOL! Okay, dude…
I had no idea you were that old. Damn. Sorry, if I’d known I would have taken it easier on you. Speaking of stroking out….
Don’t kid yourself. Based on what you just told me, 100 years for you is beyond optimistic. (Or wait. Was that supposed to be funny? Maybe it was. Aw shucks and gadzooks, I’m sure that passed for humor back in the 50s and 60s, Wally and the Beaver style yuks.)
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: @SFAW: I know so very many limericks, though I don’t know if this is the right forum.
SFAW
@Bailey:
Clueless as ever. I’m glad some things never change.
SFAW
@Captain C:
There’s an Ian Fleming quote of which I am fond:
“Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three or more times it’s a troll seeking desperately-desired attention.”
or something like that.
SFAW
@Major Major Major Major:
I’ll bet you do, and, yes, this is not the right forum.
Major Major Major Major
@SFAW: My favorite starts with “there once was a man from Iraq”.
chopper
@Major Major Major Major:
“whose dick was so long it was…wack”
Miss Bianca
@Bailey: It’s amazing to me how you consistently, wilfully mistake ridicule of your passive-aggressive whiny Hillary-bashing and projection issues as “anger”.You’re not worth any anger. You’re only worthy of scorn. I mean, I know *you* really seem to think you’re something special, there, sport. Something so witty and erudite and contrarian and shit. Unfortunately, the rest of us still think you’re something…else.