The happiest man in America right now is Paul Manafort.
I think Hills wiped the floor with him, and I honestly thought he was on blow. But it terrifies me that this man could still be President. He knows literally nothing. He doesn’t even have soundbite knowledge that Rubio or Palin can muster. It’s fucking horrifying.
?BillinGlendaleCA
That picture sums up the debate.
Hunter Gathers
The shit that came out of that man’s mouth was so stupid that it killed the part of my brain that contained the admin password for work. Thank Gob it’s in my encrypted phone. ‘Cause I’m good at Cyber.
lamh36
HRC doing a shimmy
schrodinger's cat
What is this MSM bullshit about Trump’s sounding like a regular person. I want my President to be well prepared and smart, not a moronic reality TV personality.
Betty Cracker
A-fucking-men. Al Gore must be thinking, “Fucking sighing? Are you fucking kidding me?”
debit
Chuck Todd: the loser is the American public who watched. All they did was talk about themselves. Jesus fucking christ, Chuckles, that’s what they’re supposed to do!
seaboogie
And he was thirstier than Rubio, if Rubio was in the Sahara….
Loved that little lady in the red pantsuit. Gonna vote for her.
momus
Summary:
Hillary — TMI
Trump — stayed in character, win
At least that’s the way it will be spun in certain quarters.
Paul W.
Ok, I don’t think he was worse than Palin… that woman was HORRIBLE. At least for the one or two sentences where Trump answers a question it is in a syntax I can understand (and then disagree with).
Sly
Debate Hot Take: I feel like calling my mother and apologizing on behalf of all men for 75 years of bullshit.
PsiFighter37
Absolutely got creamed. Trump is done.
lamh36
Frank Lutz in response to an unamed GOP congressman who HRC comes across as his bitchy wife/mother
@FrankLuntz
Text from a GOP friend of mine in Congress.
I’m sorry, Congressman, but tonight Hillary is coming across as presidential. #DebateNight
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Betty Cracker: Hell, Trump was wired on coke.
Pogonip
I hope you all feel better now and will be more inclined to talk about cute pets and cute kids, Cole’s adventures, and lending expertise.
JGabriel
That picture is a gem, John. Sums up Trump’s temperament perfectly.
dmsilev
Oh for fucks sake, Trump is on TV now. He’s defending his inherited wealth and complaining about being attacked.
Peter
Frank Luntz’s focus group apparently agrees with you. 6-16? In Luntz’s group? Yikes, that did not go well for Trump.
Soprano2
Mike Pence said Hillary name-called all throughout the debate. He must have been watching a debate in an alternative universe.
Central Planning
Apparently NBC has discovered the word “pugilistic”.
Gertrude the Duck
@PsiFighter37:
I didn’t watch (I can’t watch these things), but really? Trump is done?
PaulWartenberg2016
I’ll feel a whole lot better if the post-debate polling shows Trump sliding to 33 percent and Hillary going up to 49 percent.
Bill E Pilgrim
All these pundits intoning “all he has to do is avoid sounding like a blithering idiot” were giving him skills far beyond his reach.
Credenzal Jocularity
@Hunter Gathers: I also suspect Trump’s dunsel muffler bearing on his cyber-sphere wall of flame is combobulated. Someone should really look at that.
BethanyAnne
Hoooly Sheeeit. He lost Fournier.
Damn
I didn’t think that was possible.
Skerry
Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump
Nothing on emails. Nothing on the corrupt Clinton Foundation. And nothing on #Benghazi. #Debates2016 #debatenight
Ruckus
I’m glad I didn’t watch. I hate to see a 7 yr old throw a tantrum in public.
Hunter Gathers
@Credenzal Jocularity: He should try turning it off and on again.
MattF
To everyone’s surprise, there was an actual debate, and Hilz won. Period.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@BethanyAnne: But did he lose Halperin?
Peale
@debit: yes. But they should have been talking about chuck Todd. A far more important topic, don’t you think.
hilts
@debit:
Chuck Todd should have stuck with crunching numbers for a living.
Mai.naem.mobile
What the fuck was Melanoma wearing tonight? It wasn’t a party. It was a debate. I mention this because you know it matters bigly.
Kropadope
I think my favorite part was when he kept saying “no one’s going to Hannity” to confirm his early opposition to the Iraq War. As if people will take the word of your advocate over actual published and broadcast quotes.
Mary G
Donald is spinning the online polls saying he got 80-90%. He’s proud he laid off Bill’s philandering but he might do it at the next debate.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Skerry:
Huh, Donald?
ThresherK (GPad)
Laughing way too hard at the foto. I might wake the spouse and cats.
Tim F.
Can anyone get a comprehensive list Trump denying saying something that he said on tape? We gotta add some more after tonight.
Also, I think the thirty seconds or so he spent complaining about Hillary running mean ads about him could be Trump’s lowest point of the night. Nobody respects a guy whining about a girl beating up on him.
Also #2 – that was a damn fine sermon about treating women with respect. Trump’s reaction made it seem like he genuinely had no idea people know about the terrible things he said to that woman in his beauty contest. She has a name. Damn.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
I think Steve Schmidt is a poser and a wannabe, Hugh Hewitt is a nut job, Michael Steele is a weasel, Joe Scarborough a mercurial Gingrichite hack, but… Nicole Wallace may simply be the dumbest pundit on MSNBC, left or right.
eclare
@?BillinGlendaleCA: That was my wonder…
Dexter
Rudy Giuliani on Twitter admitted that this is not a good debate for Trump. Wonder if he is having a meltdown. On the other hand Podesta is trolling about whether Trump will do the other two debates.
I feel lot better now.
burnspbesq
I heard not a word of the debate in real time. Listened to the Mets while driving home from San Diego.
Sounds like Trump may now have a better understanding of the famous Mike Tyson quote.
different-church-lady
@dmsilev: If you’re whining, you’re losing, Don.
Baud
I’m not a regular person. Will a regular person be offended by Trump’s “I didn’t pay him because maybe I didn’t like the work he did” remark?
Kropadope
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
I don’t know, but I understand it was a really good night for John McCain.
schrodinger's cat
What was that whole thing about cyber and nuclear. It was clear he had no idea what he was talking about.
amk
she literally made him see red.
? Martin
Shame Trump didn’t try his final attack – he suggested after the debate that he was going to attack her for Bill’s infidelity. Do it next time, Donald – please!
schrodinger's cat
@Baud: I have no idea. I am an elitist snob and that offended me.
CZanne
@dmsilev: He would be complaining about being attacked if the debate had been staged with him alone on a stage, without anyone asking him anything, while lying on a chaise longue and being fed peeled grapes and fanned with palm fronds.
Anybody who has lived with a narcissist knows that behavior: they cannot ever, ever, ever be wrong, ever be challenged or contradicted. Their egos are like a super-over-inflated innertube without a tire — way too large, and will pop at the slightest touch.
Be prepared for another “blood coming out of her whatever” comment — he’s going to have to try to hit low to make himself feel better.
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat: We are two snobs in a pod.
Major Major Major Major
We are, clearly, DOOOOOOOMMMMED!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Baud: I think that and “that’s called business” (which I believe was in response to his rooting for the economic collapse) could be worked into an ad for Ohio
hilts
Charlie Rose is live tonight with a confederacy of dunces that includes Maureen Dowd (who declared Hillary the winner), Frank Luntz, Mark Halperin, John Heileman, and Mike Allen.
John Cole
@BethanyAnne: I’m blocked. What did Fournier say.
Betty Cracker
OMFG, Chris Christie is invoking Obama’s bad debate against Romney. Even Christie knows Trump stepped on his dick!
ETA — he’s all splotchy and covered with stress-zits too, bless his heart!
CZanne
@Ruckus: Four. Maybe a highly articulate three. Seven has logic at their disposal.
JMG
Nate Silver, who really has become a caricature of the fretful Democrat, just tweeted that while it’s hard to see how the debate helped Trump, if it somehow did he’d be unstoppable. Why not just say if people thought Trump did well, we are a nation of morons and doomed in any event.
Davis X. Machina
Can’t wait for the next debate.
I had a regular chess opponent who, if he were up three pawns in the end game, march them to the back rank, and underpromote them all to bishops.
And then checkmate you. Because with queens, it’s too easy, and less fun.
Hillz is going to do just that.
Suzanne
Spawn the Younger, who is five years old: “I don’t think he’s saying the words right.”
Truth, my child.
Baud
Hillary does better when people can see her directly, like at the convention and tonight. She suffers when people hear others in the media talking about her. The media blackout of Hillary events may be more damaging than all the fake scandal stories.
MomSense
Christie doesn’t think we should rely on fact checkers who have an agenda.
Um yeah to check facts. WTF Chris Christie.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Baud
@Davis X. Machina: Kaine will rip Pence to pieces.
Major Major Major Major
@burnspbesq: nice reference stealing thx
Jeffro
Again, the most insightful thing I ever told my RW dad and brother during the primaries was the most obvious: “why don’t they [the deep bench] point out that Trump is a complete fucking moron?”
Alas, it appears that a significant portion of their base were looking for Just. That.
L. to the OL
Davis X. Machina
@John Cole:
lurker dean
balance must be maintained at all times!!
Meet the PressVerified account
@MeetThePress
.@chucktodd: #debatenight exposed Trump’s lack of preparation, but Clinton seemed over-prepared at times.
Anoniminous
@Davis X. Machina:
To answer your question from the previous thread:
It varies, ABC weekend poll had Clinton +15 with women, I haven’t seen any number lower than +11
Steeplejack
God, Christie is bloviating with Brian Williams on MSNBC. This reminds me that Owen Ellickson has been killing it with his “WORDS!!!” series on Twitter.
Scroll down and read up throught the last few days. Comedy gold. (Trump calls Christie “Hole.”)
JGabriel
@schrodinger’s cat:
Are they really saying that? Jeepers. They must have really weird conceptions of what ordinary people sound like.
Donald sounded like an ignorant conservative blow-hard, like a 1980’s right-wing shock jock talking about the 70’s, as if the world today was just like the worst feverish fantasies wingnuts have been pushing since the Bircher’s formed in the late fifties. I’m surprised The Neon Shit-Geyser didn’t scream about how the gov’t is poisoning us with fluoride and blame Hillary.
? Martin
The GOP pollsters are going to be weighing whether Trump is worse off showing up to the next debate vs being seen as a coward and backing out. I think it’s going to be a coin flip.
Wag
Ramones
p.a.
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Great line from Eschaton commenter: “Trump’s gonna sniff out ISIS.”
shinobi42
who is this old ass dude on PBS telling me how unlikeable Hillary is? Dude, I get it, You don[‘t want to go to the PTA with her. GROSS. No one wants you at the PTA.
She literally danced with schaudenfreude on stage, i’m not sure how much more likeable you can be.
I hate pundits.
Another Scott
@hilts: This. Peter Principle and all that…
Cheers,
Scott.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Like some homework-doing nerd, amirite, Chuck?
Mai.naem.mobile
@John Cole: that Trump took the bait Everytime Hilz coolly served it up
Mike E
@Mai.naem.mobile:
Sunscreen? 86 the cancer joke, it makes a joke of something a lot of people dread hearing
Kropadope
@CZanne:
He complains about her attack ads, but most of the ads I’ve seen that attacked Trump, rather than highlighting what Hillary has to offer, were mostly if not entirely his own words with people simply watching him on TV.
Major Major Major Major
Betting markets swing five more points towards Clinton
Baud
@lurker dean:
Hahahahahaha.
BR
@burnspbesq:
You should spread that Tyson quote on twitter — probably a catchy way to summarize the debate. “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
Proportionwheel
I do hope that someone who has video skills will edit together a compendium of Trump sniffs. Should last several minutes.
Steeplejack
@Steeplejack:
(Just before the debate:)
Mary G
@John Cole: Ron Fournier
@ron_fournier
Lede may be: “He lost his cool and maybe the race, taking bait coolly served by Hillary Clinton.”
7:58 PM – 26 Sep 2016
Jeffro
@Skerry:
Donald, baby, I hate to tell you but she neutered #1 in 10 seconds, was fully prepared on #2, and was clearly ready for #3 when she noted she’d already testified for 11 hours straight? You know, on that thing that has been investigated by Congress 4x more than 9/11 ever was?
Go for it in debate #2…to borrow from a very orange friend of mine, “What the hell do you have to lose?”
Kropadope
@lurker dean:
Over-prepared as in scripted as in inauthentic as in BOTH SIDES!!!
Get fucked, MTP.
Adam L Silverman
@hilts: Given he never made it through his bachelors degree in political science its not clear he actually made it through undergraduate stats. Not like he’s actually qualified to crunch numbers any more than what he’s doing now.
schrodinger's cat
Trump is like that kid in class that’s getting good homework grades because he is being helped by his buddies
(or paid minions in this case) but come exam time he is no match for Hermione.
scav
@Baud: But Baby Candidate’s preparation was just right. Bedtime stories for and by pundits to soothe themselves back to sleepytime.
lamh36
When you’ve lost FOX News!
Jeffro
@Steeplejack: I started following OE a few weeks ago and he is just outstanding. Makes my day several times a day every day.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Trevor Noah “going there”, as the kids say, on Trump’s sniffling and the cocaine.
Mai.naem.mobile
So no Luntz focus group to tell us how arrogant Hilz sounded?
liberal
Not only is he a fascist Shitstain, he’s a stupid fascist Shitstain. Christ, Hillary wiped the floor with that stupid fuck.
JMG
@lamh36: Rudy Giuliani said, “not Trump’s best, but two debates to go”!
Ruckus
@MomSense:
Christie tied a somewhat valuable male body part to Trump and is afraid that he’s going down with the ship. We can only hope.
Baud
@scav: Trump looked awful, but did Hillary look too good?
p.a.
@lamh36: “It’s a trap!”
The Very Reverend Crimson Fire of Compassion
@scav: That’s some funny shit.
CZanne
@Kropadope: Actually, all of them. All of her attack ads have been nothing except his own words. She doesn’t need to use political theater because he serves this stuff up like a Norovirus buffet on a cruise ship.
demz taters
@Baud: No because saying you didn’t like the work is being a weasel. What a decent, ethical person does is give the contractor the opportunity to make it right for the contracted price if they’re not satisfied with the result.
Kay
different-church-lady
@lurker dean:
Oh. Yeah. Someone who’s too prepared is not someone I want leading the country.
Big Jim Slade
Dooooood – that picture is awesome!
quakerinabasement
It was rigged! Very unfair! Very! Everybody says so, believe me!
Also, too, I was going to say something nasty, but I won’t.
Jeffro
@schrodinger’s cat:
…said the entire officer corps of the US military, the intelligence services, all of our diplomats…
I know it won’t push too many voters’ buttons, but it really cannot be understated just how terrifying it must feel to think that the Orange Ragegasm might be in charge of the whole operation, when you’ve devoted your whole life to the proper functioning of the US government and an even remotely stable world order.
bluefish
@Hunter Gathers: Hilarious. Thanks for a great fun laugh!
Soprano2
@Proportionwheel: The Daily Show already did it! LOL, it was just as funny as you thought it would be.
Mary G
Loll, Jeffrey Lord on CNN is reduced to saying that all the Democrats were birthers in 1881 when trying to allege that Chester A. Arthur was born in Canada.
Baud
@Hunter Gathers:
Are you 400 lbs?
different-church-lady
@Kay: Oh, there’s no question they’re seeing it. The question is, are they liking it?
quakerinabasement
@different-church-lady: “Over-prepared?” What does that even mean?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@lamh36: I’m still waiting on Halperin.
Adam L Silverman
@John Cole:
https://twitter.com/ron_fournier/status/780602530229133312
Ruckus
@Another Scott:
He hit his Peter Principle limit in high school.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: You know if it’s not coke and he has allergies, he should be really careful about that. That happened to another person on stage tonight and she ended up with pneumonia.
? Martin
Another confirmation that Trump wanted to hit Hillary over Bill’s infidelity. Said that he thought it wasn’t out of bounds to say.
Jeffro
@Mary G: What…who is that supposed to appeal to? The 140-year-old “Arthurista” vote?
What a whack job. That’s not even checkers vs. the Clinton campaign’s chess. That’s like Lord rolling a marble down a bowling alley…a bowling alley where Hillz is somehow launching FIVE 18-POUND BALLS AT ONCE. And THEY’RE ON FIRE and ONE OF THEM IS STUFFED WITH TNT. I’m pretty sure she’s gonna AT LEAST pick up the spare.
Adam L Silverman
@Betty Cracker: He always looks like that. Some people should never be seen in closeup on High Def TV.
NotMax
Can’t keep up with all the threads springing up.
Trump sons radiating glumness. Even they are starkly aware of what happened tonight.
lamh36
really Todd…really
Kropadope
Man, that was a stomping of epic proportions. I wonder how much worse it would have been if Hillary weren’t so rattled by the presence of Gennifer Flowers in the first row.
scav
@Baud: She didn’t sniff enough either. Told an inordinate amount of truth which is just not how middle flyover ‘merka rolls, although Donald could have mixed a smidge more verity into his effort for appearance’s sake.
Hunter Gathers
@Baud: Nope. But I’m pretty sure I could hack Trump Enterprises. I’m willing to bet ‘yuuuge’ is the admin password.
Steeplejack
Found it. Storify links for chronological version of Ellickson’s “WORDS!!!” Twitter series:
Part 1.
Part 2.
Part 3.
Baud
Can’t wait to see how Trump overcompensates for this performance in Debate # 2.
hilts
Halperin – Trump took the bait and was more on the defensive
Heileman – Trump was more on the defensive and his lack of preparation showed
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Yes, the only time I’ve not paid a contractor for work done is when we had them out for an estimate and never asked them to actually do the work(either verbally or in writing).
ETA: They also did a shitty job.
HelloRochester
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I totally agree. I have more love for Ann Coulter because at least her face matches her hateful insides.
? Martin
@NotMax:
No, that’s his normal state. Smarmy has no happy face.
Keith G
@Mai.naem.mobile: Luntz focus groups said Clinton creamed Trump. Check his Tweets
different-church-lady
@Jeffro:
It depends on whether this election is ten-pin or candlepin bowling.
lamh36
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Brit Hume, known for his down-to-earth nature and Bobby Sherman-like non-threatening good looks:
Baud
@scav: Trump lied through his teeth, but was Hillary too honest?
Felonius Monk
Christ, Sarah Palin looks presidential compared to Trump.
Keith P.
HIllary didn’t even break out Trump University. She’s probably going to bait him into the weeds with that one at the next debate.
? Martin
@lamh36: Wait, but I thought Trump knew how to win, and Clinton doesn’t know how to win? My worldview is all mixed up!
Baud
Kay
@different-church-lady:
I can’t imagine liking it. The interrupting alone would drive me crazy. Stop interrupting her. Control yourself.
Certain men do it all the time. I’ve literally had to get good at staying focused amid constant interruptions. I have had to learn to accommodate them. It’s infuriating.
Trentrunner
David Frum on Twitter:
For future reference, if anyone asks you about the “double bind for women.”
grandpa john
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: And the dumb asshole has no clue that it makes him sound like a fucking moron
lamh36
Ruckus
@liberal:
It has always amazed me these last few months when some one stated that Trump was dumb as a stump, people would say, he’s not dumb, look where he’s gotten. If he wasn’t a dumb as a stump, look where he could have gotten. But he is, dumb as a stump.
amk
@Keith P.: yup. the fraud fucker has enough skeletons to go around for another at least 3 debates.
rikyrah
From Andrew Sullivan’s Liveblog of the debate:
dww44
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I agree with your characterizations, but I’d put Michael Steele at the top of the heap, as in least offensive to my ears. He has a genuine sense of humor even if he belongs to the crazy party.
greennotGreen
@Mike E: I have cancer, and I thought it was funny.
Suzanne
@demz taters:
There are long-established legal procedures for payment for his contractors and architects, and if he isn’t happy with their work, then he has no one to blame but himself. The specifications and general conditions of the contracts used in the jndustry describe the quality of work to be done, and the Owner’s responsibilities. You never, NEVER get to the end of a job and don’t pay. Concerns about quality need to be documented early and often.
lamh36
@TimAlberta 2m2 minutes ago
Speaker Ryan puts out a statement praising Trump for offering “energy” at tonight’s #debate. Tells you everything you need to know.
schrodinger's cat
@rikyrah: Trump’s charisma and stage presence, what is Sully smoking?
Kropadope
@Ruckus:
I read somewhere that if Trump simply put the money he inherited into a conservative investment portfolio, he would have more money now than he purports to have.
hilts
@Adam L Silverman:
David Gregory did not deserve to lose his job to Chuck Todd.
quakerinabasement
Trump admitted he paid no federal taxes for at least a couple of years–and boasted about it. Trump admitted to ripping off contractors–and blamed them for it. And then to top it off, he whined about how mean and unfair Hillary’s ads are.
Loser.
khead
Pretty sure the Alabama-Kent St. matchup this past weekend was closer than the debate tonight.
Lizzy L
@Trentrunner: Maybe she was smiling because Donald Trump was making a flaming ass of himself on national television. I’m smiling.
? Martin
Cream cheese sculpture agrees Trump blew it but it won’t matter because reasons.
Percysowner
@BethanyAnne: He still has Hugh Hewitt!
chopper
somewhere a single tear runs down NR’s cheek…
Eric S.
Bringing this upstairs … Flipped on CNN just out of curiosity. The pundit desk is set up outside on a raised platform. There were a few people behind it holding up home made signs. Looked like a football pregame show. They aren’t even pretending to cover it as anything other than a sporting event.
Suzanne
@Trentrunner: JESUS FUCK. She gets criticized for not smiling enough, then she gets it for smiling too much. FUCK. We cannot win.
I take this personally, because I got an employee performance review in which I was told that I got a great job but that I didn’t smile enough and people didn’t like me because of it.
scav
@Baud: Ex-act-lee. You have a brilliant career ahead of you if you can manage to do that with something approximating a seriousl face, even if your campaign didn’t go quite as well as expected this once. Rack up four years of at least weekly Sunday exposure on the tee-vee-box and you’ll be well-placed for next time.
Kropadope
@schrodinger’s cat: Trump’s charisma and stage presence, what is Sully smoking?
In fairness, the entire rest of the paragraph can be summed up as “I was wrong.”
ETA: And in the minds of some people, Trump does have charisma.
burnspbesq
Andrew’s live-blog was awesome, but Rod Dreher wins the night
Jeffro
@Felonius Monk:
Many, myself included, have long said that Trump is Palin in a suit. He’s actually worse and I think this is the best way to put it: he thinks he knows what he doesn’t know, and he refuses to admit that there is anything that he doesn’t know.
Poor Sarah would no doubt make an incredible mess, but in the end she could probably be swayed by advisers, Beltway GOP vets, and the prospect of re-election. Donald? Not so much. He “consults with himself”, after all, and “has the best words”.
Tonight’s performance showed us what we’d get with a President Trump who not only doesn’t prepare for anything, but can be baited by everything.
lamh36
? Martin
Clinton speaking at a watch party looks like a winner. America loves winners.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: They know he’s upset and in trouble and they don’t want him in a group of people where they can’t control him not spouting off and someone taping it. They’re putting him in lockdown. My guess is that all the tweets will be from the iPhone, which is his staff, not the Droid, which is his own phone.
Baud
@Kropadope:
It’s clearly all he has. That’s not the same thing as likeability.
lamh36
@hilts: Um…I beg to differ…they are both equally idiotic
BethanyAnne
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Haven’t had the stomach to check. I doubt it, but I never believed he lose Fournier. Soon, he may be down to Hannity. *shudders*
Beth in VA
@?BillinGlendaleCA: He’ll never lose Halperin
quakerinabasement
@Keith P.:
Next debate? My money is on Trump laying out a buttload of new demands and then refusing to participate.
NotMax
R-t-R may be swigging Sterno at this point.
Just sayin’.
Jeffro
@lamh36: That’s amazing. Between he and Cruz, I don’t know who to credit more for the last days of the GOP and the official assumption of power by the Trumpkins.
Hey Kasich, you sure you even want to bother trying to turn this ‘unsinkable’ ocean liner around?
schrodinger's cat
@Kropadope: Yeah whatever, didn’t he retire? Why is he blogging again?
amk
donnie dick’s latest black outreach.
Poor lester.
jonas
@? Martin:
Trump tomorrow: “I could’ve won. Absolutely could’ve. If I had wanted to, I definitely would have won. Simple as that.”
lurker dean
wtf.
The New York TimesVerified account
@nytimes
“Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump fell into a rut that reinforced both of their stereotypes” via @nytopinion
patroclus
CNN: Clinton wins debate 62-27%
Isn’t 27% significant?
Juju
Good gawdalmighy, why is that talking middle age ice sculpture on my TV?
hilts
Mike Allen – Good luck to Trump’s advisers trying to tell him that he had an off night.
lamh36
lit3bolt
27% thought Trump won the debate….
scav
@Adam L Silverman: Oh no! sent to bed with no cookies because he’s overtired and can’t be trusted to behave around company. How sad. Must be that perfect and recently vaunted temperament shining through
divF
From the Guardian livefeed: Asian stock markets are up post-debate.
lamh36
Trentrunner
CNN Instapoll, Who won debate?
Hillary – 62%
Trump – 27%
different-church-lady
@patroclus: THAT! NUMBER! AGAIN!!!
Felonius Monk
Every real journalist should be embarrassed to have Chuck Todd as a colleague.
NR
27% said Trump won. Life imitating art.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
His next rally should be some hard core crazy as he tries to prove he’s still got his balls
lamh36
NotMax
@jonas
“No, Trelayne.”
;)
Villago Delenda Est
Teh Donald’s “Mussolini face” did hot help him. Hillary’s “Trey Gowdy smirk”, however, was devastating.
dmsilev
@patroclus: Those snap polls do a lot to shape the media bloviations over the days following the debate, so a 2:1 advantage is pretty meaningful. It’ll help jell the conventional wisdom of the pundits etc.
SteveinSC
After fournier, it goes Mark Hassperin, Chuck Snod and then the dry-drunk, brained-damaged, spiittng fool Matthews in the pack of weasels on MSNBC. Fuck these corporate repuke shills. And as a Bernster, I also think Hillary wiped the floor. (Shit, I forgot. Scarface’s jizz-mopper, Villey Geist, belongs in there somewhere.)
Kropadope
@patroclus:
Am I to assume that 10% didn’t watch?
amk
@Trentrunner: That fucking 27% again.
Ruckus
@NotMax:
That’s lit sterno.
Anoniminous
@patroclus:
Holy Gazongaberries. I expected her to win the post-debate polling. I didn’t expect a 35 point win.
different-church-lady
@NR:
jonas
@Adam L Silverman: I bet he’s going ballistic at his staff right now, raging about how they should have let him go after Bill’s affairs, the emails, Benghazi, etc., and that in the next debate, he’s not going to hold back and be all “reserved” and “milquetoast” like he was tonight, but lay down some real truth!
As they say: please proceed, governor.
? Martin
@Suzanne: Hang in there. I have a staffer that gets that treatment from my bosses. ‘She’s too blunt, people don’t like her. You shouldn’t give her such good reviews.’
Um, excuse me, have you fucking met me? I go through meetings like a train. I once had a woman break down sobbing during a job interview. My bosses send me into meetings with people ranked me to put the hammer down because they don’t want to do it. I walk into meetings and you can hear a collective sigh break out. I get glowing reviews because I fucking get shit done. She’s much less blunt than I am – more blunt than other women at her level – but less than me, and guess what – she fucking gets shit done too. I have to fight that battle every fucking year. Pisses me off. Admittedly I could probably be more diplomatic in how I tell them that…
But keep at it. It’s slowly getting better. You have allies.
Kropadope
@schrodinger’s cat: Running a blog full time is something I imagine to be quite different than occasionally live-blogging events.
different-church-lady
@Kropadope: 10% thought Gary Johnson won.
Omnes Omnibus
@amk: Jesus, I missed that.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@lamh36: I said earlier that Nicole Wallace was the dumbest pundit on TV, left or right. I briefly forgot about Tom Brokaw, an aging Ted Baxter who thinks he’s David Brinkley or Walter Cronkite because he’s old now, too.
Baud
debit
@NotMax: I love you.
? Martin
@Villago Delenda Est:
Don’t do that.
AnotherBruce
Questions for the Juicers. I didn’t watch all of the debate, But I did watch the part where Hillary was calling out Trump for stiffing contractors. Did Donald ever explicitly deny that he did this?
If not that should be wrapped around his neck.
Kropadope
@different-church-lady: Not that I think there’s much to recommend Johnson either, but in a just world he would be crushing Trump.
ETA: @AnotherBruce: No, he blamed the contractors.
lamh36
@Beth in VA: right. Halperin needs to be in the room so he and Heileman can writer another “Game Change” campaign embed book.
Adam L Silverman
@scav: MSNBC had the deliberations on air. They had the cameras following him to his motorcade. They stalled out by the van as there were several minutes of family consultation before they could get him in the vehicle.
planetjanet
@lurker dean: That can’t be a real quote, can it? Could anyone be more stupid?
hovercraft
jonas
@amk: That’s why it’s called “Keyes Constant“
Matt McIrvin
@Skerry: Please proceed, Donald.
Benghazi worked so well as a debate point last time.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: Trump is awful and his debate performance was awful but he did shake Holt’s hand after that clip. No need to spread lies when the truth is devastating.
Omnes Omnibus
@Kropadope: 10% passed out during drinking games.
NR
@Baud:
That’s almost identical to CNN’s overall number. Interesting.
SRW1
Hillary led that bear around the arena. And she didn’t even need to fit him a nose ring.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
as I recall, he said maybe the guy’s work was no good. I think there’s plenty of stuff to make a good “he’s not on your side” ad from tonight
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: She is still horrible?
burnspbesq
Clinton mopped the floor with Trump. Is the floor salvageable, or does it have to be ripped up and replaced?
Slaughter
@Betty Cracker: Remember, Betty, that sighing by Gore was ginned up days later by the Republicans. No one noticed it in real time.
Anoniminous
@Baud:
YES! (shoves fist in the air)
Now if we can get the little sods off their asses and into the voting booth we’ll be in great shape.
Baud
@hovercraft: Nice.
Bill E Pilgrim
@jonas: There’s video.
https://youtu.be/f8fbrUjjivw?t=70
schrodinger's cat
@burnspbesq: Ask Cole, he is now an expert on these things.
SiubhanDuinne
@AnotherBruce:
No, he said something on the order of “Maybe they did a bad job.”
Adam L Silverman
@AnotherBruce: He admitted he did it and claimed it was for poor performance on the part of the contractors. She took him way into the cheap seats on it.
SFAW
@? Martin:
Looks like you picked the wrong week to stop doing coke. I bet Trump wishes HE had, however.
Baud
@schrodinger’s cat: Cole can mop up the floor naked.
Zarley
@Peter: do the math and you’ll see that works out to
…..
Drumroll
…..
27%
hilts
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
There are so many worthy nominees for the title of dumbest pundits. Nicole Wallace certainly belongs in the conversation along with Donnie Deutsch, Mark Halperin, Maureen Dowd, and Howard Kurtz.
Bill E Pilgrim
@jonas:
There’s video
Oh sorry, my previous one went into moderation and in my experience they never come out of that. Sort of like the phantom zone. But this time it did.
Villago Delenda Est
@? Martin: It’s the same look she gave when she was taking the Benghazi Committee to the cleaners.
She’s cooler than the coolest cucumber.
NotMax
So, Trump ditched attending a planned gathering in Suffolk County further out on Long Island.
And Hillary’s the one lacking stamina?
lamh36
Aleta
He smiled about paying no taxes and in the next breath said our airports are a disgrace.
Another Scott
@quakerinabasement: He bragged about declaring bankruptcy multiple times, also too.
He lost on so many levels, and he’s too stupid (or brain damaged) to know it.
Cheers,
Scott.
Felonius Monk
@burnspbesq:
Rod is an ass for blaming that on his dog.
piratedan
@lurker dean: yeah, that’s the LAST fucking thing I want in a presidential candidate before a national debate…. overpreparedness
I’m not sure if Chuck Todd would be the smartest person in a room that only contained himself.
Baud
@lamh36: But he said his temperament was better than hers (which not even the audience could avoid laughing at).
schrodinger's cat
@lamh36: What about the remaining 7%
jonas
@different-church-lady:
Exactly! I think it’s kind of fun thinking how there could be some major crisis at home or abroad and the President is woken up and told about it and goes “Shit! I never prepared for that!” Makes things a little more interesting and as an average American, I like that. I also like doctors who only completed 3 of 4 years of medical school.
SiubhanDuinne
Tweety is spitting and sputtering and slobbering — but he’s not wrong.
SFAW
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
OK, but will he get Bryn Terfel to do a voiceover? Because castrati don’t really project gravitas.
hellslittlestangel
I couldn’t help watching the debate, even though I’ve grown to find the sound of Trump’s voice and the stupid look on his face nauseating.
You know what? Is was totally worth it. He might as well have shat in his pants.
schrodinger's cat
@Felonius Monk: I was wondering why Dreher looks like he just escaped a mental asylum?
Lyrebird
@Jeffro: Yeah, I’m not sure how other states will go, but between hating on the Khans, questioning NATO, and the loose-lipped remarks about his national security briefing, I think the Orange Menace has lost Virginia fer sher. I haven’t lived there since it went a little more purple, so I’m just basing this on the Republicans I knew.
Mnemosyne
@debit:
Chuck Toddler is lucky I couldn’t reach through the screen and slap that stupid goatee off his face.
On the plus side, this epic squashing of The Donald definitely has me #FiredUpReadyToGo for canvassing next weekend.
NR
@Omnes Omnibus: I give her a solid B+ tonight.
scav
@Adam L Silverman: Oh brillant and thank you for that detail. I went mostly text-based for what little remaining sanity I cling to. I’m now going to profoundly hope the limo comes with one of those little slider windows, only re-enforced with that metal mesh from police cars or dog car barriers.
Kropadope
@Another Scott:
Gotta work the system to turn a quick buck at the expense of others. Your a loser if you don’t do it.
Matt McIrvin
@NotMax: Nothing ever gets RtR down. I’m sure he’s polishing his Ted Cruz ’20 lines as we speak.
Adam L Silverman
@Bill E Pilgrim: Not in moderation, not in the trash folder, not in the spam folder. Contacting SETI to see if they can track it.
AnotherBruce
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m guessing that Donald knows that Hillary has a bunch of people lined up to testify. That reply was weak, low energy.
hilts
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I hope Hillary can pitch 2 more shutouts against Trump. I’d also like to see some conservative Republican newspapers step up to the plate and endorse Hillary, but that’s probably too much to hope for.
Omnes Omnibus
@Villago Delenda Est: She broke out an Obama grin, right before the shoulder shimmy and the “Woo! Okay!” That was when she signaled that, not only had she slayed, she was now sacrilegiously dancing the corpse because she could.
Karen
I couldn’t bear to watch it and it looks like I had good reason for my trepidation. All I care about is if HRC wins the debate will that move her poll numbers. Poll numbers reflects votes.
lurker dean
@planetjanet: sadly it’s real. chuck todd lost it some time ago, he’s now incapable of real reporting.
AnotherBruce
@Felonius Monk: Rod was all over the place with his tweets. Hillary has obviously landed enough blows that he’s punch drunk.
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: Grade Trump.
cokane
trump doesnt even know how to learn
sukabi
@Betty Cracker: stress sweat will do that for you…he may get to feel the sting of impeachment… think the NJ house are weighing the possibilities.
AnotherBruce
@lurker dean: Is Chuck Todd working for the NYT?
NR
@Omnes Omnibus: The letter for that doesn’t exist in any earthly language.
different-church-lady
@Adam L Silverman:
That’s because it’s right there on the page at #231.
hilts
@lamh36:
In that case, fuck David Gregory as well.
hilts
Trump interrupted Clinton 25 times in the first 26 minutes of the debate
h/t http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/26/13068010/presidential-debate-2016-trump-clinton-interruptions
Another Scott
@AnotherBruce: He bragged about it. Just like he bragged tonight about wanting to buy up foreclosed properties, not paying federal taxes, and declaring bankruptcy multiple times.
Remember, he (without prompting) bragged: “I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.”
He thinks that none of society’s conventions apply to him.
Cheers,
Scott.
Mike J
@Davis X. Machina:
Only a challenge if the bishops were all the same color. Easy peasy with opposite color bishops.
PPCLI
@Mai.naem.mobile: My favorite Luntz focus group of all time was after one of the debates in which Obama just massacred his opponent. I can’t remember if it was Romney or McCain. So Luntz, with the cameras rolling is talking to the Fox talking heads and asks his group to raise hands to indicate who won. The whole room, with one or two exceptions went for Obama. Then Luntz looks at the camera, all the hands up behind him, and says “so you can see it was split pretty even here”…
sukabi
@Steeplejack: ass or donut?
nonynony
Has anyone ventured into the fever swamps on the right to see how they’re reacting? I’d go myself except fuck no I’m not doing that.
chopper
@NR:
oh my god you are just adorable.
Larrb
My favorite part was the ironic little shoulder strut she did while Don was off on his 10th or 12th interruption. Priceless.
Adam L Silverman
@different-church-lady: hmmm…
http://s.quickmeme.com/img/56/56a57d6a1b619efd7da9e5460dac22bc0fc6913badfcbb9d5211a161f6b76da7.jpg
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: And yet she is a shitty candidate?
BTW, I commend you for showing up tonight. Normally, you just show up to gloat about bad polls and to say that Obama should be primaried and that the ACA sucks.
The Lodger
@Kropadope: Hannity.
And Neil Cavuto.
And Howard Fucking Stern.
Well, he did promise to have all the best people.
mike in dc
6 weeks to go, and Trump blew his biggest opportunity to take the lead over her. He’s probably going to lose a few points and she will gain a few.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
As I said in the thread below, who the hell decided to put the reanimated corpse of Tom Brokaw on my teevee?
jonas
Gotta love the headline for Healy’s article on the front page of nytimes.com: “Candidates Paint Starkly Different Visions for U.S.”
Really? That sums up what happened during the debate? Using the same metaphor, I think the following lede is more accurate: Clinton used a diverse palate of oils and pastels on canvas to paint her picture, which included a mixed-race family standing in front of a cheery home. Trump dropped his trousers, took a huge dump on the stage, rolled around in it, threw some bits of shit at Lester Holt, flipped off the audience, and stomped off screaming “I am the king!!!”
NR
@chopper: And you’re still sad and pathetic.
NR
@Omnes Omnibus: We’ll see after tonight. As 2000 showed, the debate isn’t what matters, the post-debate spin is what matters.Trump’s media allies could still fight this to a draw. The wild card, of course, is Trump himself. We’ll see if they can keep him on his leash.
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: You really are a GOP troll, aren’t you? And not very good at it.
catclub
@Baud: It would really be terrible to have an
over-prepared president.
NR
@Omnes Omnibus: I’m dead serious. After the first debate in 2000, people who watched it said 60-40 Gore won, but people who didn’t watch the debate and only heard the media spin said 60-40 Bush won.
catclub
@sukabi: Both, I presume.
Seanly
@jonas:
John Roger’s Crazifaction Factor is better term.
Captain C
@JGabriel:
Just give him a little more time…
ETA: …and maybe some more blow.
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: You are a troll and a interact with you when it amuses me.
sukabi
@Adam L Silverman: maybe he’s off to do speedb@lls…
AnotherBruce
@NR: Thanks, Shitkins.
chopper
@NR:
LOL whatevs, shitstain. Get back to hate-batin’ to Hillary and let the adults talk.
NotMax
@sukabi
One of the most unfortunately named super-heroes ever.
Captain C
@quakerinabasement:
That’s 3 campaign ads right there; the last one interspersed with some of his ugly histrionics and insults.
Mnemosyne
@NotMax:
I think the superhero’s name is the least unfortunate thing about that cover. That’s worthy of Superdickery’s Seduction of the Innocent category.
TriassicSands
@Soprano2:
Clinton did call Trump names throughout the debate — Donald. She should have been calling him moronic racist pig for more accuracy. But she’s a lady.
The contrast is stark, but the people supporting Trump aren’t looking for anything that resembles Clinton, so they probably think he crushed her. After all, he interrupted constantly, talked over her, was incredibly rude, and generally showed that he has no respect or manners. That means he’s not “PC,” which seems to be the main selling point he has for millions of idiots.
I have nothing to negative to say about Clinton’s performance. I feel sorry for anyone who has to share a stage with a colossal POS like Trump. But, an observation. One attribute Hillary doesn’t seem to have (at least not in abundance and not in public) is wit. She doesn’t need it to be president and it never enters into my considerations of candidates (though mental and verbal agility are nice). However, I think she had a number of opportunities tonight to hit Trump with one of those zingers that gets all the press the day after a debate and she never came close to offering one. On one level it’s a trivial thing, but it would show a different side of Clinton (one that probably doesn’t exist, at least not in a public setting) and it could have really rocked Trump. I didn’t expect anything like that from her, and it is hard to script something like that, but I would have loved to have heard her say something that actually shut him up for a second or two and had the talking heads all abuzz.
The idea of Clinton as president is neither exciting, nor alarming. She will be hampered by an obstructionist opposition party, but many of her proposals are admirable.
The idea of Trump as president is horrifying. Period.
NR
@chopper: I pity you.
Omnes Omnibus
@TriassicSands: Humans watched the debate.
Villago Delenda Est
Hillary had a chance to slam dunk Donald in the face and groin on Daesh: they’re losing right now, and are in retreat. They are not winning by any means.
Mnemosyne
@TriassicSands:
I think you managed to miss how funny she was. There’s a reason this GIF is an instant classic.
Omnes Omnibus
@NR: Fuck you. Just fuck you. BTW, my fuck you impulse makes me work harder. So you lose.
Captain C
@jonas:
The 2016 Hollywood remake of “The Royal Nonesuch.”
ETA: And something Rudy 9/11 would have howled about if it was part of an NEA-funded exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum.
No One You Know
Watching the replay. How did I miss the Don’s expectation that NATO should pay protection money (“nice alliance you have there. Shame if anything should happen to it” ), how great his 10-year-old son is at computers when asked about state-sponsored cyberhacks (imagine Barron Trump as Ender), or the incredible effrontery to ask Donald about her “look”
(can we comment on HIS look?), the bow he made into his own mic when she gut-punched him on stamina…
gonna have to watch it again!
chopper
@NR:
yeah, not being a concern trolling eeyore all the fucking time is a real hard fuckin life. it’s just terrible.
say, isn’t there a fire you can go die in?
gogol's wife
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
Haven’t read the thread, but I’d prefer the shot where he’s hanging from the ceiling with his hair hanging down.
gogol's wife
@Baud:
Absolutely correct.
gogol's wife
@Baud:
Friendly Dad vs. Arthur Dimmesdale.
different-church-lady
@jonas:
Jinchi
@? Martin:
My guess is that they’ll argue that it’s easier for Trump to win next round because the bar for him has been lowered by his poor performance in this one.
different-church-lady
@TriassicSands:
“And a Mr St John of Huntingdon said he couldn’t think of anything more derogatory than ‘Belgians’.“
Paul in KY
@NR: Maybe it could be expressed as some form of negative exponent?
Paul in KY
@TriassicSands: Think she would have gotten a good laugh if after one of Trumps streamofbullshitcrazytalks, when Mr. Holt said ‘you have 2 minutes, Secretary Clinton’, she could have quipped ‘That’s not enough time!’.
She methodically whupped his pathetic ass, though.