2. Has terrible social media habits which endanger his employer
3. Suffers from acute entitlement syndrome
4. Doesn't know history— O. Alan Noble (@TheAlanNoble) August 27, 2016
8. Is full of hot takes that he doesn't bother to back up
9. Uses social media to trash other professionals and make personal attacks— O. Alan Noble (@TheAlanNoble) August 27, 2016
And the BEST PART is that millennials see right through him! HAHAHAHAHA
— O. Alan Noble (@TheAlanNoble) August 27, 2016
Apart from decrying Millennial Shaming, what’s on the agenda as we wrap up the weekend?
FlyingToaster
Okay, that whole tweetstream is just mean.
Kinda like Donald Trump.
Yeah, let’s just go with it.
Patricia Kayden
No, the best part is that he may bring down the entire Republican party with him which would be much deserved. They learned nothing from that autopsy in 2012.
Major Major Major Major
It’s almost like all the “WTF is wrong with millennials” bullshit is just that, bullshit! You mean other generations have humans in them too? And the particularly annoying ones are more noticeable? Quelle surprise!
Unrelated: I took an evil/thoughtful picture of my cat!
Trentrunner
Just wanna say this about Trump’s hiring Bannon, the racist/”bigot” false equivalency:
It’s not like Bannon was this crackerjack campaign guy with some election wins under his belt WHO JUST HAPPENED to also have some unsavory white nationalist connections.
BANNON HAS ZERO CAMPAIGN EXPERIENCE. Running a racist white-nationalist misogynist media outlet is WHAT HE DOES.
Orchestrating bigotry IS WHY TRUMP HIRED HIM. Not in spite of.
ruemara
@Major Major Major Major: That’s hardly evil. More like, “wtf is you doing, human?” picture. Also, lovely cat.
eric
As an aside to the major point of the pose, I have my issues with the work ethic i see from some Millenials, but last time I checked they did not believe that African-Americans were inferior or that women belonged in the home and that homosexuality is a disease. So if they receive a demerit from the so-called “greatest generation” for being entitled and not saving the world from the Nazis (though only after Japan actually bombed the US), then the greatest generation can accept their demerits as well. Historicity affects us all…some more than others, but all of us nonetheless.
Mai.naem.mobile
Donald Trump is asshole and if he loses I am going to send him a nasty nasty tweet that will be cc’d to his kids because I never want to hear from this family,ever again. I do,however, expect HBO to do a Spinal Tap/reality series based on Trump’s campaign. Also too, the finale of Night of is tonight. I haven’t watched a series in this way in a long time. Turturro and the guy playing Naz will win Emmys next year.
hovercraft
One of Obama’s biggest legacies will be National Monuments.
Obama the Monument Maker
By DOUGLAS BRINKLEYAUG. 27, 2016
This weak president of ours has done many important things these last 7 years, this is one of the most important. Click on the link to see if any of these monuments are close enough for you to visit. There is also a list of 4 suggestions that Obama should make before the end of the year, the National Parks Services centennial year.
Anoniminous
Bookmarked for later use.
The Moron’s Case For Hillary Clinton….
Felonius Monk
Mexican restaurants, so I’ve heard, will soon be featuring a new item: El Donaldo Burrito — a tangerine colored tortilla covered with fake hair and filled with caca.
Major Major Major Major
@ruemara: well I think he looks evil from that angle. And thanks!
GxB
Imma gonna have to stick up for the millennials here. Though I’m a generation older, and I will admit they (millennials) have been (generally) coddled thus perform poorly outside their nest, many DO see the horseshit system for what it is. If anything, my hope is it lights a fire in their belly that Gen X seemed to shrug off.
hovercraft
@FlyingToaster:
Speaking of mean tweet streams.
Katrina Pierson Retweets Brutal Tweets About Her By Chrissy Teigen
Perhaps she’s never heard of sarcasm. SAD!!!
Mike in NC
@Mai.naem.mobile: ‘The Night Of’ is an awesome show that we didn’t expect to be so good.
Major Major Major Major
@GxB: it’s the biggest generation since the boomers, generalizing is unbecoming of a serious analysis. Coddled? What’s your sample?
p.a.
@Major Major Major Major: That pic reminds me of the Seinfeld good lighting/bad lighting girlfriend!
WaterGirl
@ruemara: OT, have you told them at work yet? How did it go? When do you start at the new place? What about the salary conversation? Do you get some time off in between? (I hope so!)
Epicurus
Thank FSM someone sees through the veneer of this “Scampaign.” While I’m still pretty confident that Secretary Clinton will win in November, the mere thought of Cheeto Jesus coming within a stone’s throw of the White House frightens me no end. I survived two terms of Reagan and two terms of The Worst President Ever, but that man would make Franklin Pierce and Warren Harding look good. #voteblue #ClintonKaine2016
gene108
@Major Major Major Major:
Well, I was visiting my brother yesterday and we were talking about play grounds with my 11 year old nephew.
They had just come back from a trip from Seattle. Near the Space Needle is a park. It has a merry-go-round. This merry-go-round is flush with ground and the ground around it is softish rubber foam.
When my brother and I were growing up, merry-go-rounds were metal, elevated above the ground a bit and surrounded by concrete.
The odds of serious injury from play ground equipment has greatly decreased.
See, coddled.
satby
Most of those criticisms of millennial can be made of Americans in general. No sense picking on the kids for society-wide problems
gogol's wife
@Anoniminous:
That is excellent!
gogol's wife
@Major Major Major Major:
He’s a sweet puddy tat.
Ultraviolet Thunder
Interesting analysis from an Economist’s point of view. In the next 4 years a recession will almost certainly begin because we are overdue. In the last 160 years only one incumbent has been reelected during a recession (Ike).
This means HRC would have only one term and the GOP could run against the Dems as having ‘wrecked the economy ‘
Not concern trolling here. This scenario is quite likely.
http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2016/08/a-thought-for-sunday-when-next.html?m=1
Keith P.
@Felonius Monk: There’s also the Taco Bell Nacho Doritos Loco.
Chris
@eric:
In many cases, I suspect the sub-par work ethic reflects their experiences with employers as much as anything else. Which, as usual, isn’t really about any one generation. The self-proclaimed Job Creator class has been complaining more and more frequently about how hard it is to find good help these days, usually without even any generational qualifiers. They’re careful never to ask themselves if that might be correlated to the increasingly shoddy treatment of the workforce all around.
Ultraviolet Thunder
Please un-moderate my comment so I don’t have to write it again without the nekkid link. I’m on my phone and embedded links don’t work.
ETA: never mind.
Ultraviolet Thunder
Interesting analysis from an Economist’s point of view. In the next 4 years a recession will almost certainly begin because we are overdue. In the last 160 years only one incumbent has been reelected during a recession (Ike).
This means HRC would have only one term and the GOP could run against the Dems as having ‘wrecked the economy ‘
Not concern trolling here. This scenario is quite likely.
Schlemazel
@hovercraft:
Maybe she was agreeing! She knows she is a cheap whore but she believes she is strong because she deals with all her pimps shit without cracking. That would mean she knows she is peddling a disease but the money is too good so she can anesthetize her conscience and she is good to go.
Shell
What about ass burn from those hot metal slides in August?
cmorenc
@Patricia Kayden:
The base (including alt-right “independents”) are who never learned anything from their purported “betters” in the establishment who expected and would have loved Jeb Bush to have been the “inevitable” nominee – but who expected the usual dog whistles and insincere winks and nods toward the base to bring them aboard to vote for Jeb, while on the surface, Jeb appeared to be following the “autopsy” recommendations to be “inclusive” – a chip off the old Bush block.
gene108
@satby:
Picking on kids is what a subset of olds do.
I remember enough “the kids these days” crap, when I was growing up in the 1980’s.
philadelphialawyer
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Concern noted. And pro forma declaration of non concern trolling also noted.
Just a thought:
Let’s worry about winning this year’s election before we start fretting over 2020.
‘K?
gene108
@Shell:
My SIL brought up the slides and not going on them all summer, plus they did not have a “foot” at the bottom that straightened out, or if it had one it was pretty small, so you were going towards the ground full speed.
Hal
I couldn’t care less about sports if you paid me, but this Colin Kaepernick controversy is pissing me off. The trotting out of injured and disfigured service people combined with the sudden overwhelming sense of patriotism that seems to only manifest in many people when they see an opportunity to shame someone else.
Not to mention, once again the crux of the issue, the complete ignorance of so many white commentators on the issues of race, police brutality, over policing and over use of force in communities of color. Which was his original point to begin with.
This is someone being called a nigger on social media, but let’s dismiss his point of protest because he’s rich and his parents are white. He’s still a black man in america and being successful provides insulation, but that doesn’t make him completely immune and it certainly doesn’t mean he isn’t supposed to give a shit about what’s happening in the world around him.
philadelphialawyer
I think “millenials” are no better or worse than anyone else. And I don’t take the whole “generation” stuff to be anything more than BS pop sociology anyway.
I will say that, in my experience, there seems to be more of a tendency to say how great the so called “millenials” are (see, eg, the Bernie Sanders Revolution, as brought to you by the MSM) than there is a tendency to run them down.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@philadelphialawyer:
That may not have been intended to be condescending but that’s the way it looked to me.
philadelphialawyer
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Boo hoo.
FlyingToaster
@hovercraft: Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
@Schlemazel:
I suspect you may be right. The “Look at the shit I gotta do for my boss” rather than “Adios, pointy-haired-bastard” attitude can be disconcerting, if you’re not familiar with it. I certainly know it now.
Shalimar
@Ultraviolet Thunder: I would say it is just as likely that we go into a recession next year and it is over by the end of 2019. Yes, the chance of recession during the next 4 years is 90+%, but how long it will last is unknown.
germy
Reading about the National Museum of African American History and Culture, and the long & winding road/struggle to get it open.
gene108
@Schlemazel:
There are plenty of people, who will happily sell out for money. For some reason, I think a lot of political spokespeople are by nature very flexible in what they believe, as they advocate for others.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@philadelphialawyer:
(Takes deep breath)
Okay pholadelphialawyer.
You go fuck yourself.
‘K?
cmorenc
@hovercraft:
Great list, but unfortunately wrt the Grand Canyon, one of the vulnerabilities to horrid development vandalism he may not be able to do enough about unilaterally is the proposal an Native American tribe has made to erect an inverse chairlift down to the bottom of the Canyon at the junction of the Little Colorado River with the main Colorado River. I’ve been to that magical spot – currently accessible from above only by a rugged 11-mile trail. Let the tribe have a casino back away from the rim if they want $$$ for their tribe – they should have no right to turn one of nature’s greatest treasures into a Coney Island theme park ride.
hovercraft
@gene108:
Yes extremely coddled, they have so many things we didn’t have growing up. I remember when we used to have to stand up to change the channel on the TV. We had to count, cars, cows, horses and other things when we went on road trips, now they complain about losing wi-fi and running out of movies to watch. This generation is ruined. SAD!!
philadelphialawyer
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Sure thing. Now why don’t you run along and go back to ringing your hands with your IB loving friends at the Economist about our (not so very) impending doom?
hovercraft
@Schlemazel:
Given her comment about Trump not changing his stance, merely his words, leads me to believe she’s dumb enough not to have realized what she was re-tweeting. Though your theory also works for me.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Shalimar: Much of it depends on how a recession is handled by the President, Congress(stop laughing), and the Fed.
germy
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
True. Recessions are brutal under repub administrations with a chiseled-away safety net, restrictions on collecting social security if you’ve been laid off, cutting food stamps etc.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@philadelphialawyer: I agree to an extent. I do think we can see some political leanings in the generations. Silents tend to be very conservative, boomers less so, gen-x’ers a bit more conservative and cynical, and millennials a bit more liberal.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@hovercraft: They don’t even know about taking a picture and not knowing how it would look until weeks(or months) later when the film was developed and printed. It’s all about instant gratification with kids.
[/snark]
Thor Heyerdahl
Not sure if I missed this on another thread – At Rob Lowe’s roast, Ann Coulter gets burned hardest
germy
Ann Coulter appeared at the Rob Lowe roast, and apparently everyone roasted her.
EDIT:
whoops… I see this has already been linked to
Honus
@Major Major Major Major: the millennialist don’t seem to phage any problem blaming the boomers for every evil in the world.
philadelphialawyer
@?BillinGlendaleCA: Meh, as I see it, there are no “generations.” There are so many other more salient factors (region, rural-urban, race, gender, class, sexuality, education level, age, etc) that go into folks’ political makeup than arbitrarily defined “generations” with nebulous cut off dates.
There was no “Greatest Generation,” as more than one age group actually “won” WWII. That term was invented by Tom Brokaw, to sell his ghastly book. There really was a “Baby Boom,” but it only lasted for a few years after WWII, not until 1960-whatever. And folks born in 1945 have fuck all in common with folks born in the Early Sixties, at least in terms of “generational” experience.The rest of the so called “generations” are false on their face. “Gen X?” or “Y”? Because you have no actual thing to define them? “Millenials?” Because the completely random and meaningless changeover from 19-whatever to 20-whatever happened to occur? “Silent Generation?” An obvious back and fill in an attempt to categorize folks pre “Boomer” and post “Greatest.”
The whole thing is horseshit.
hovercraft
@gene108:
Exhibit 1: Kellyanne Conway who ran a pro-Cruz pac.
Via Media Matters
Thor Heyerdahl
@germy: evidently great minds think alike ;)
Major Major Major Major
@Honus: Might I ask how you know that we all do this?
gene108
@Ultraviolet Thunder:
We are in weird economic times. Very few VSP’s want to acknowledge this. There’s not much reflection on what needs to be done differently now that central banks have effectively cut interest rates to zero.
But a recession could happen and with the media’s love of Republicans and hatred of Hillary, it will create a big opportunity for Republicans to complete their stranglehold on America.
germy
quote of the day:
Hewitt: Breitbart Equals Media Matters, Coulter Equals Michael Moore
hovercraft
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
You know you just reminded me of the days before there were One Hour Photo places, and you had to wait a day or two to get your photos developed.
redshirt
I have a millennial working for me now and he seems to confirm all the stereotypes. Smart kid, good guy, but just strangely… detached? Example: Doesn’t know how to make a business phone call. His email skills are atrocious. He plays Pokemon Go right in front of me and doesn’t even seem to consider this might be in appropriate. Goofs off on social media all day long.
I’ve refocused my management on basic office skills like “how to request a day off”.
Also, I am old.
germy
@Thor Heyerdahl: Coulter seems to think she can show up and hang with the hip entertainers and not be ridiculed.
From a New Yorker magazine profile of Leslie Jones:
Hal
@Thor Heyerdahl:
Wow. Just, wow.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Oh god that’s funny!
Major Major Major Major
@redshirt: I’ve worked with 40-year-olds like that.
hovercraft
@Thor Heyerdahl: @germy:
You have both done a public service by ensuring that this is disseminated far and wide. Thank you for your service.
germy
@Hal: It’s not our parents’ Roast anymore. I sometimes wonder what Jack Benny and Bob Hope would make of today’s roasts.
Although…. I remember hearing a bootleg audio of a Friars Club roast of Bogie and Bacall… and it was one of the dirtiest (they called it “blue”) things I’ve ever heard.
mayyouliveininterestingtimes
@germy: Bothsiderism bullshit again. I believe it’s fundamentally impossible to find Coutler’s (or Duke’s, etc.) equal on the left. You’d have to go so far into anarchism you’d end up in Alex Jones territory; keep going left until you appear out of Coulter’s left nostril – “Huh, how’d I end up here?”.
germy
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I saw Leslie Jones do standup before she got famous on SNL, and she destroyed the audience. A funny lady. Not many standups can make me laugh, but she cracked me up.
lollipopguild
@gene108: Cue Paul Lynde singing “kids” from Bye Bye Birdie.
redshirt
@Major Major Major Major: Sure, but did they play Pokemon Go all day?
Kids today!
philadelphialawyer
@Major Major Major Major: Me too. And worse. I’ve also worked with younger folks back BEFORE the “millenium” who did the same damn thing. The forty somethings worked in an office in a professional setting, and made good money with great benefits for not so hard or much work. And yet complained all the time, arrived late, spent most of the day on personal phone calls, chit chat, drinking coffee, etc. The latter worked in a coffee shop and couldn’t seem to “get” that, really, it wasn’t “unfair” if folks came in to buy coffee and expected you to serve them even if you were in the middle of a half hour conversation with one of your co workers or with a friend who came to “visit” you on the job.
And I’ve worked with great people of all ages as well.
Age, much less “generation,” has nothing to do with it. Some workers suck, and some don’t.
OGLiberal
At the risk of likely offending many on this blog I think the biggest bitches and whiny asses are the Boomers. And they, the white ones, at least, are Trump’s base. They had, thanks to the GI bill, nice homes in the suburbs to grow up in, cheap education, union jobs for them and their parents, etc. Yeah, gas was expensive in the 70s and Times Square was a shithole but they had it made compared to the youngs today. And then Reagan taught them “eff you, I got mine”, their kids (my generation, 40 somethings) grew up thinking Gordon Gekko was the hero in “Wall Street” and it all went to bloody hell. Millenials may get a bit too wrapped up in Bernie and ponies but that could be in reaction to the selfishness of the boomers and the Reagan kids.
Frank Turner tells the story best…other side of the pond but same deal: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=15VOkt0vPaM
hovercraft
@germy:
Yes but me new Hero Joy Reid shot back that there was only one of those named who had connections to white supremacist.
Hal
@germy: I love Leslie Jones more each day. It’s amazing to me that Coulter thinks she can just go up to anyone and make like they should just ignore her rancid personality and beliefs. I blame Bill Maher.
germy
@hovercraft: Joy Reid! She’s my new hero also. Doesn’t listen blandly when guests lie. A REAL no-spin zone, unlike the o’Reilly bullshit.
Brent
@Major Major Major Major: I largely agree with you on the limited usefulness of these types of generalizations. I will say however, just as a tangentially related point of interest, that until I spent a lot of time online, I was completely unaware of the general rancor of non-Baby Boomers towards Baby Boomers.
I think I first saw it come up in the comment section on a post on Ta-Nehisi’s early blog and it was really quite shocking to me. It was just not something that had come up in my 35-40 years of living up to that point and it was SO pronounced and vitriolic once I did see it.
Since then, I have raised the issue with a lot of other non-Baby Boomers and, almost universally, they tend to have very pointed and NSFW commentary to share about that generation. Oddly, the one exception to this general tendency is the millenial generation who seem far less invested in the whole discourse around those generational issues.
gogol's wife
@philadelphialawyer:
What is your problem?
germy
@Hal:
More proof that it’s all just “show biz” to these assholes.
Meanwhile, real people are hurting.
philadelphialawyer
@Brent: Meh. Folks tend to bitch about the older “generation.” “Boomers,” back in the day, bitched about what we now call the “Greatests” and the “Silents.” “X” and “Y” bitched about the “Boomers.”
Funny that the Boomers, who were all in on “Don’t Trust Anyone Over 30” and so on were shocked to find out that younger people thought they sucked just as much as they thought THEIR parents did! And funny too how the Boomers are blamed for shit they had fuck all to do with it, like “draining” Social Security.
I do agree that younger people don’t seem to care all that much about the older generation at all.
philadelphialawyer
@gogol’s wife: No problem. Just chatting. What’s yours?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
hasn’t “millennial” become a meaningless term? Seems to me it’s evolved from meaning a person who reached adulthood around the year 2000, so born in the early eighties, to mean “twenty something”. The original millennial are in their thirties now, aren’t they?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@philadelphialawyer: Look at voting patterns over the long term and you’ll see the generations to have a political bent. It has alot to do with politics during their formative years(late teens to early twenties).
redshirt
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I use it as “young people and young people things I don’t like”.
Isn’t that the norm? Have you seen this Pokemon Go thing?
gogol's wife
@philadelphialawyer:
That for some reason you started a stupid fight with Ultraviolet Thunder. I don’t see what there was in his comment that warranted your snotty tone.
philadelphialawyer
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Which goes to show how meaningless these terms are. Is a millenial someone who came of age in 2000? Or born around 2000? When does the next “generation” start? Or has it already started? The “Post millenials?”
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Like the Kardashians, Justin Bieber and (several things deleted so as to avoid starting fights), it’s one of those things I am aware exists because of the internet, but I have no curiosity about.
philadelphialawyer
@?BillinGlendaleCA: To a degree. But that masks all the other variations I mentioned. Most African Americans, for example, are Democrats. Of whatever “generation” they allegedly belong to. Most Southern white men are Republicans, regardless of “generation.” I agree who you first voted for matters, but who you first voted for is not really determined by your “generation.”
philadelphialawyer
@gogol’s wife: It reads like the very thing he claims it isn’t. IE concern trolling. Purporting to worry about the hypothetical recession predicted by the assholes at the Economist that is going to sink HRC’s reelection bid, at this time, to me, is crap.
YMMV.
Major Major Major Major
@philadelphialawyer: What’s your beef with The Economist?
Tom Q
@Shalimar: Yeah, Reagan had a horrendous recession in his first term, but it was over by 1984 and he won 49 states. No one’s ever been re-elected with a recession ongoing, but one during your term isn’t fatal.
philadelphialawyer
@Major Major Major Major: Run by and for one percenters.
Baud
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Neoliberal millennials are the worst.
Major Major Major Major
@philadelphialawyer: As opposed to every other news organization?
Got any beef with the content? Have you tried reading it?
Hal
@germy: I saw Reid go in on a Trump surrogate a couple of weeks ago when she was filling in for Chris Hayes. I like Hayes, but I’ve seen him give a lot of leeway to his guests when they don’t deserve it, and joy was having none of that nonsense. To the point where she cut the douche off to move on to her next segment without batting an eye. Lover it.
PsiFighter37
Heading to Europe for a week for some R&R and a longtime work colleague’s wedding. It has felt like an interminably long summer – so will be quite happy to be on the move. Tuesday night can’t come soon enough!
SiubhanDuinne
@philadelphialawyer:
I hadn’t noticed it before today, but Christ on a Corn Tortilla, you’re an asshole.
philadelphialawyer
@Major Major Major Major: Dude, it has a rich people uber alles mentality. More so than at least some other media, yeah. It is literally owned by the Rothchilds and the Agnellis. And run by a bunch of pricks from “the City” (ie the London equivalent of Wall Street). It actually IS “neo liberal,” and makes no bones about. I don’t like it. And, yeah, I have read it. So, when it claims that, well, sure, HRC is gonna win this time, but, doncha know it, she is DOOOOOOOOOMED next time, I really don’t care. And won’t be clutching my pearls over it. Nor fainting on the couch. Etc.
gene108
@philadelphialawyer:
He did not link to “The Economist”. He linked to Bonddad’s blog and called Bonddad an economist, though I think he’s actually a bond trader IRL.
Bonddad is a liberal blogger, who blogs on the economy and has an above average understanding on the topic.
Edit: We’re spending comments on a tangent because you mistook “an Economist” for “the Economist.
philadelphialawyer
@SiubhanDuinne: Thanks, love you too.
philadelphialawyer
@gene108: OK, fine. Still, I am not going to start worrying about 2020 just yet. If that is OK with you….
And, by the way, the “analysis” at the linked material is about as simplistic and ridiculous as it can be. As others have pointed out, a recession some time between now and 2020 does NOT mean HRC is doomed in 2020. His historical data is horseshit. And his trolling is clearly of the concern kind. So, linking it to means, what, exactly?
SiubhanDuinne
@philadelphialawyer:
Smoochies.
?????
hovercraft
Steve M waded through Mo Dowds latest bullshit offering so you don’t have to.
HEY MAUREEN, AT WHAT POINT IS A 70-YEAR-OLD MAN RESPONSIBLE FOR HIS OWN ACTIONS?
Head over to NoMoreMisterNiceGuy It’s way too long to cut and paste.
philadelphialawyer
@gene108: And one wonders why he called a bond trader “an Economist,” when, according to you, he isn’t even an economist, much less “an Economist.”
gogol's wife
@hovercraft:
Excellent, and well worth a read, except by reading it you also get a lethal dose of MoDo.
hovercraft
@gogol’s wife:
I recommend skipping the Dowd portions and just read Steve smacking he around.
lollipopguild
@germy: Coulter thinks that her public persona as a racist asshole is just her “job” that she uses to make a living and no one is allowed to use it against her. She wants to hang out and have fun with people she “hates” and does not understand that they take her bullshit literally.
Major Major Major Major
@philadelphialawyer: Clearly a nefarious plot to get you to think you were reading The Economist.
germy
@lollipopguild:
Seems like she’s painted herself into a corner. And sad that she isn’t so special anymore, that cable news is full of blondes with the same talking points, only younger and more attractive to men like Roger Ailes.
gene108
@philadelphialawyer:
He might be an economist. IDK. I am guessing with a nym like Bonddad, he’s a bond trader.
He is fairly knowledgable about the economy, and worth reading from time to time.
JR in WV
@Major Major Major Major:
Nice photo. Looks like an interesting cat to live with.
lollipopguild
@germy: Rush Limpdick had a similar problem when he went to work at ESPN as a pro football talking head and found out the hard way that the TV game audience did not love him like his dittoheads.
SiubhanDuinne
Please forgive me for my shit memory. I know someone here, a regular commenter whom I greatly admire, was attacked and injured by an off-leash dog a few days ago, but at the moment I can’t remember the commenter’s nym. I’m so sorry, because I genuinely do care, I just suck at remembering nyms.
Anyhow, I bring it up because former Front-Pager and Friend of This Blog Imani Gandy (aka Angry Black Lady) had the same thing happen to her today, per her Facebook status, except in her case it was two pitties who went after her and her cocker, Spaniel Day Lewis. She is grieving because she feels that she is “responsible” for the death of the two dogs that attacked.
I find this whole thing extremely troubling, that there is a not-insignificant number of badly-trained (or non-trained) dogs out there whose owners put them, themselves, their neighbors, and their neighbors’ pets at risk.
This is NOT an anti-pitbull comment, but it is an anti-stupid-and-selfish owner rant.
Ruviana
@philadelphialawyer: Must be because I’m on Balloon Juice bit I read that as poop sociology!
Iowa Old Lady
During the years I spent teaching college students, people would frequently moan about the current generation, whatever it was. They were entitled, lazy, unprepared, etc. I never found any of it to be true.
germy
@SiubhanDuinne: I agree. My next door neighbor has a dog that they never bothered to train or socialize. They rarely walk the dog; just slide open their door and let it shit in their yard. Maybe once a week they’ll walk it. Yesterday a young lady was across the street walking her (much smaller) dog, and my neighbor’s dog was barking and screaming and jumping on its hind legs. My neighbor looked embarrassed as it strained the leash. The young lady and her small dog looked terrified.
My wife was knocked down last year while we were walking. A girl rode a bicycle and let a BIG dog pull her along. I told her she should control her dog, and not let her dog control her.
Some dogs deserve more responsible caretakers.
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: Back in the day when I walked in my area I carried a stick with me to defend myself from dogs running loose. Local law requires a dog to be on a leash or behind a fence. One more reason why I do not walk anymore.
philadelphialawyer
@Major Major Major Major: Not nefarious, just misleading.
@gene108:
Perhaps, but he is engaging in ahistorical concern trolling in this case. Ike, Reagan and FDR (just off the top of my head) all suffered recessions and were re elected.
@Ruviana: Works that way too!
OGliberal
@philadelphialawyer“I do agree that younger people don’t seem to care all that much about the older generation at all.”
I’m not sure the older generation has given them much reason to care.
Hungry Joe
My twentysomething nephew parlayed a temp position into a pretty-well-paying full-time job. I asked him how he did it. He said, “I showed up on time, I know how to talk to people on the phone, I didn’t mess around on the job, and I’m not an idiot.”
He’s since been hired away by another company.
germy
@lollipopguild:
That’s a damn shame. A person has a right to walk around their neighborhood without fear of being jumped or bitten by a dog.
My wife has taken to carrying pepper spray when she goes jogging in the morning. For some reason, morning is when dog walkers think it’s okay to let their dogs off leash.
philadelphialawyer
@OGliberal: I meant that in a good way! As in “not caring” = not bitching about.
And ,I dunno, but the idea that the last “generation” has screwed things up more than usual is as much an evergreen, unsupported notion as is the one that says the current “generation” is lazy, self centered, etc.
germy
@philadelphialawyer: I think all this “generation” bullshit is pattern recognition run amok.
SiubhanDuinne
@lollipopguild:
That’s really sad.
@germy:
Such a disservice to the dog not to take responsibility.
philadelphialawyer
@germy: Agreed.
Ruviana
@philadelphialawyer: true.
hovercraft
@SiubhanDuinne:
I was ‘responsible’ a few years ago for the death of a neighbors dog, they left their gate open, and it ran out towards me. I was on the sidewalk across the street, and it got hit by a car. The car never stopped but the poor dog picked itself up and made it back to the driveway, were it’s crying was heartbreaking. Unfortunately it didn’t die for several hours, because the asshole owners didn’t take it to the vet, they just waited till it died. The next door neighbor was pissed because the whimpering and howling scared their kids. They still give me the side eye when I walk by, as if I don’t have the right to walk down the street.
Hal
@SiubhanDuinne: oh no! That’s terrible. I listen to the twib podcast and was just thinking about the abl days earlier. I hope she’s ok.
SiubhanDuinne
@hovercraft:
What an awful story. What the fuck is wrong with owners like that? “Asshole” isn’t nearly strong enoug a word.
I’m glad you put ‘responsible’ in quotes, because of course you were not and are not.
And it’s so sad about the dog, who was just, you know, being a DOG.
catclub
@Chris:
Do you know how hard it is now to find machinists with ten years experience who will work for minimum wage? It is simply unfair.
SiubhanDuinne
@Hal:
I do hope I’m not violating internet ethics and protocol by pasting Imani’s FB post here. If I am, please some FP feel free to delete, but I know she is well known here and has a lot of friends and followers. Anyhow, here’s what she wrote about an hour ago:
Hal
@SiubhanDuinne: I just checked her twitter.
Terrible. Seriously, people need to train their damn dogs.
germy
@Hal: As horrible and depressing as the story is, the fact her dog’s name is Spaniel Day Lewis sort of cheered me up.
SiubhanDuinne
@germy:
Truly among the Greatest Dog Names EVAH!!
Miss Bianca
@Schlemazel:
Umm…look. I don’t care for this Katrina Pierson person myself, but is it too much to ask that we refrain from this type of language to describe her? Put it this way – would you nod in approval if someone described HRC, or Michelle Obama, or any other female in the public eye, in this way? Yes? Then you’re an asshole. No? Then you’re a hypocrite. Either way, not a good look. Whatever you happen to think about sex workers.
schrodinger's cat
@Ultraviolet Thunder: 2 problems with this bearish analysis.
1. The past is not a good predictor of the future. He just pulls his analysis out of nowhere.
2. N for Presidential elections is a low number. Where N = number of elections, so statistical analysis based on past results is always suspect. The N that we have had data for recessions is even smaller.
Like the media favorite, senators don’t become Presidents, governors do. By this type of content free analysis, Romney was supposed to win because the unemployment # was high.
I say we worry about this if-then scenario when it happens and work hard to elect Hillary for the first time before worrying about the second term.
schrodinger's cat
@Ultraviolet Thunder: I knew it. Upon browsing the blog further, I realized that Bonddad is a chartist, he looks at old charts and tries to predict the future. His analysis is as sound as astrology then.
Chris
@catclub:
There was a decent thread here about this a few years ago entitled “The Problem Is Just That You Are Cheap.”
Still basically covers it.
Cleos
#13 seems to be more a description of an age group than a generation.
Ruckus
@Hungry Joe:
The 4 basic rules to any job.
Ruckus
@catclub:
Here on the best coast people starting out as machinist helpers with no experience make more than minimum. Before the recession In and Out burgers has a posting up on the bulletin board that the starting wage was $12/hr and they were having trouble filling positions. That notice was removed shortly after the recession hit.
Cleos
@philadelphialawyer: @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
If you use the starting-in-1980 formula, those folks are closer to 40 than 30.
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Lilly? Libby? Someone asked how she was doing today and it was a really uplifting report. She can dress herself and even wash dishes now, and she gets a band-aid instead of a bandage on one bite tomorrow. The neighbor with the dog hasn’t even stopped by to see if she is okay.
She seemed certain that the animal will be put down because the owner is unlikely to meet all the limitations he would have to meet in order to keep the dog. She didn’t explicitly say, but it seemed to be that she was not feeling burdened by any sense of responsibility for the dog being put down. The problem is the dog and the owner. But she can jump in to correct me if I got any of this wrong!
edit: neglected to say how awful it is that this happened to ABL.
SiubhanDuinne
@WaterGirl:
Lizzy, maybe?
So glad that she is recovering well.
Her neighbor sounds like a sociopathic imbecile.
It’s always sad when an animal has to be put down but of course they could do a great deal of damage if unrestrained.
tybee
@Anoniminous:
i’ve sent that to several morons i know. thanks.
sinnedbackwards
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Most recessions rebound within a year or year and a half. If it is timed to start about a year from now, Hillary is golden presiding over the recovery.
But strength in the housing sector suggests another recession is well more than a year away.
If Nancy can run the House for two years, we could do a stimulus with infrastructure to postpone it more than that; I’m not at all confident that would last through 2020, but it might.
Since we only have one post-creation-of-the-fed data point for recovery from a capital destruction recession, the Depression, there really isn’t a lot of other useful guidance. The data we have of how the economy reacts in our institutional reality is very little.
But even Ted Cruz will have trouble fokking the country if Hillary appoints two or three Supremes.
sinnedbackwards
@gene108: Ever hear the jest that the earliest deciphered ideographs from Mohenjo-Daro said “the younger generation is messing everything up”?
WaterGirl
@SiubhanDuinne: Yes, Lizzy sounds right! I knew it was an “i” with a double consonant.
Feebog
Mace or a similar product is an effective deterrent. I speak from professional experience as a former letter carrier and delivery supervisor. Once stopped a pit bull in full attack mode with a well aimed spray to the face. If you are out walking your dog and you know there are questionable dogs along your path, carry mace.
joel hanes
@hovercraft:
[President Obama] has done many important things these last 7 years
One of the least-recognized:
The Obama Administration has quietly dropped legal opposition and has settled on generous terms many of the legal claims against the Federal Government by Native American peoples. Every previous Administration has been guilty to some extent of prevarication, foot-dragging, outright dishonesty, or incompetence in this area; those days are mostly over, because many of the historical grievances have been acknowledged and damages paid.
Nothing can ever really right a great historical wrong such as the dispossession of the American native peoples, but the Obama Administration has done what it could, which is quite a bit.
Greatest President of my lifetime, and one of the best men ever to hold the office.
jenn
@SiubhanDuinne: One of the things I’d been going to bring up (but that thread had been long dead) is the importance of training dogs to not hit fences/gates. Wire fences are terrible, because the dogs can see through them so easily, and have their aggression inadvertently “rewarded” because the “intruders” walking by on the sidewalk continue on to leave – their aggression worked!
sinnedbackwards
@gene108: Often worth reading, and a lawyer.
His specialty I believe is self-funded corporate insurance.
He had a garage band when younger.
To complete the defamation, he lives in Houston.
gene108
@philadelphialawyer:
Reagan’s recession was in 1981-1982. By 1984 the economy was on an upswing.
FDR’s recession was in 1937 or 1938. By 1940 things were stabilized.
GHWB ran during a recession or just after a recession, in 1992, and lost to Bill Clinton.
Republicans will do their damnedest to drag out any recession, so the economy is still in the tank by 2020 and voters are angry and embittered and more primed to vote Republican. The only thing Republicans will consider are tax cuts and slashing spending and will fight actual attempts to fix anything.
They did this in 2009. And reaped a rich reward in 2010.
There’s a danger of a recession. There’s also chance Republicans will use it to undermine and destroy Hillary’s Presidency. And a chance the voters will reward them for their bad behavior.
philadelphialawyer
@gene108: Sure. But a recession any time in the next 4 years, per se, does not equal “Zoe my God, Hillary is doomed in 2020,” which seems to be the point of the linked “analysis.” FDR, Reagan, Nixon, Ike, Truman…they all had recessions. And yet they all won re elections.
Anyway, what’s the takeaway? Wish real hard that there is no recession? Let Trump win, so he gets the blame? Or should we just wet our pants?
SiubhanDuinne
@jenn:
Wow, that is a fascinating insight!
ruemara
@WaterGirl: let’s see: No. The week was a high drama one and my co-worker asked me not to do it until Monday. So we’ll see how it goes tomorrow. I’m leaving early to get a new crown, because I’d rather get dental work done than stay for a full 8 hours crap. I start the 19th, very exciting. I’m taking two days off to oversee the move out of the old roommate and the move in of the new. I hope to stay in stretch pants and play Warcraft for hours. That’s as close to time off as I get.
Origuy
A friend of mine carries a 3-wood as a hiking stick.
WaterGirl
@ruemara: Thanks for the update! Sorry about the dental work, but I guess in this case it’s a plus if it gets you out of the office. So excited for you with the new job. And your awful roommate is moving out? How did you manage that? New job, in; bad roommate out. It’s like you hit the lottery or something.