This is a skosh embarassing for WV’s Attorney General:
West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey fired a spokeswoman Thursday, after it was revealed that she took part in a video called “The Stop White Genocide Video” that recites slogans of white supremacists.
Carrie Bowe, who was Morrisey’s assistant communications director, appears throughout the video, speaking about white genocide, a white nationalist conspiracy theory that alleges immigration and integration will cause whites to become extinct.
The YouTube video, first uploaded in December 2012 by someone with the screen name of “Johnny Mantraseed,” boasts that it was banned in 18 countries and was once removed from YouTube. It was re-posted to YouTube in 2013 and has been viewed more than 260,000 times.
Throughout the video, Bowe, who started working for Morrisey in January 2015, repeatedly states, “Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white,” a phrase coined by well-known white supremacist Bob Whitaker, who lives in Charleston, South Carolina.
She has since taken to facebook (of course) to say she had no idea what the final video would look like, as if that somehow excuses her for saying the following on video:
“If I tell you the ongoing truth about genocide against my race, the white race, liberals and ‘respectable conservatives’ agree that I’m a Nazi that wants to kill 6 million Jews,” Bowe says.
Bowe also says white children in schools are being misled.
“Throughout elementary school, junior high, high school and college, I was told that my race, the white race, was the cause of all the world’s problems,” Bowe says in the video. “Now, many of you have jobs where minorities say things that would get you as a white person instantly fired.”
The four women ask viewers to “recite The Mantra,” a series of phrases embraced by segregationists.
“Asia for the Asians, Africa for the Africans, white countries for everybody,” another women in the video says, the first phrase of “The Mantra.”
Here’s my favorite part:
Bowe, who made $40,000 as a Morrisey aide, served as his acting press secretary in September 2015. She also helped manage his field office staff members.
Before Morrisey hired her, she was member relations director with the conservative Family Policy Council of West Virginia.
That’s the state level version of the Family Research Council, who just recently have been up this bullshit a few miles down the road from me:
The conservative Family Policy Council of West Virginia is asking Wheeling leaders to release any and all documentation of the proposed protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender residents with a Freedom of Information Act request.
The request states that any such ordinance would elevate “changeable” sexual behavior to a special level of legal protection. The Charleston-based council’s president, Allen Whitt, said this ordinance has already likely been drafted under residents’ noses, despite Mayor Glenn Elliott assuring no such legislation is anywhere near a draft, let alone fully realized.
“That is misinformation. It is untruth,” Whitt said. “Their position is to pass a city ordinance. We’ve seen this multiple times. That’s a straight up lie.”
The council describes itself as a “leading conservative policy group championing social issues,” such as religious freedom.
You ask me, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between alt-right, the klan, and good old fashioned “family values” conservatism.
redshirt
Haters gonna hate, you might say.
Enhanced Voting Techinques
Sure, there is a differance;, the family values conservative is in it for the religious tax break
Omnes Omnibus
I managed to wade through two minutes of that shit. Off to shower now. The bleached blonde does strike me as someone who might well want to kill six million Jews.
jl
Need some public health ads on this.
“this is an egg, this is a frying pan… and THIS is your brain on ‘White Genocide'”.
I hear that there is a lot of spare video available for that kid of spot.
Sure, it stars with a little meth or small hit of crack, and you mean no harm. But then someday you, or one of your friends, is eating some poor slob’s face, and cops are chasing you.
Hunter Gathers
She’s on the fast track to a Fox News gig.
cmorenc
@John Cole:
The “Family Research Council” is for certain a bunch of God-bothering talibangelicals out to impose their theocratic ideas on American society and laws, but it’s really a stretch to throw them in the same bin as the Klan or alt-right white nationalists. To begin with, the FRC’s list of causes doesn’t include racism, though it does include intense anti-LGBT bigotry. True, there may be some folks who are talibangeclicals who belong to the Klan or subscribe to alt-right beliefs as well (such as Bowe), but racial bigotry isn’t what the FRC is about at all.
chopper
dude, the nazis killed about 6 million jewish people. today’s nazis want to knock off a hell of a lot more than that.
Hungry Joe
She was just saying some words they told her to say, and she didn’t know what they meant. She had no control over the final cut. She thought it was an audition for a Baz Luhrmann movie. She thought it was tongue-in-cheek. She took it to be ironic. Or iconic. Or idiotic. Whatever — it’s not her fault and she’s not to blame and she’s pure as the driven snow* and leave her alone.
It’s not easy being white.
*Which, for the record, is white.**
**Dorothy Parker once described someone as “pure as the driven slush.”
debbie
I’m still thinking. “Anti-racist is really anti-White”? Does that not mean that racist is White?
Hungry Joe
@Hunter Gathers: “Your resume looks good, honey. Now, let’s see some leg.”
bobbo
Wow, if you had asked Central Casting for some women for a white supremacist video, they couldn’t have done any better than this.
laura
@cmorenc: sorry, they’re all in on the racial bigotry.
Example A is school choice and public dollars for religious schools.
Brown V Board of Ed got them started.
Major Major Major Major
@jl: Mmm, eggs. I had two for breakfast. (And some turkey bacon.)
Mudge
My opinion is that Morrisey knew about this all along…it’s probably on her resume.
Omnes Omnibus
@bobbo: The girls from Prussian Blue.*
*I know, they grew up and repudiated all the shit their dad had them do.
jl
Real breakthrough would be getting pundits and corporate media to admit that keeping proper distance between the GOP fake outreach, the soft-porn White Genocide BS, and all sorts of hard-core hate mongering is part of he standard GOP pivot.
It’s a mistake to think of it as Trump. Trump is just not skilled enough politician, does not have enough self-discipline and self-awareness to pull it off.
redshirt
@bobbo: Most white supremacists are anything but supreme.
lamh36
It’s very interesting the conversation and eye opening going on with this Trump stuff after he openly embraced Breibart and the alt-right.
So many folks on the left would talk about certain voters attracted to Trump and say “not all Trump” voters, when what alot are really saying “not my mom/dad/grandpa/uncle”…
I almost feel sorry to have to tell ’em but…yeah…your family members who still cling to Trump even after his birther bullshit, his discriminatory past, and his embrace of alt-white racist conspiracies…are EXACTLY the type of Trump voter many of the left consider to be abhorrent and racist.
Soylent Green
In the running for Trump trophy wife number four.
Mnemosyne
@cmorenc:
You may be interested in the series of posts that Fred Clark at Slacktivist wrote on exactly that issue last year.
Short version: the Southern Baptist Convention was founded by slaveholders desperate to keep black people under their thumbs, and they have stayed true to those roots ever since.
The fundamentalist Christian movement in the US is, at its base and founding, a white supremacist movement. You can read actual documents proving this.
Felonius Monk
@cmorenc:
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.
? Martin
@cmorenc: I think that’s a little too strong of a defense. FRC is every bit as anti-Muslim as those other groups, and good luck convincing anyone that isn’t actually race driven in the end. I never hear any concern about Bosnians or former Soviet republics like Kazakhstan.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
I am happy to say that my white, retired cop cousin who is sometimes casually racist posted on Facebook that there is NO way he will vote for Trump. He says he’s going to vote for Johnson in IL, but strongly urged his friends in less blue states to hold their noses and vote for Hillary.
I know the many casually racist white people in this country drive POC up the wall, but there really is a limit in the white community on how openly racist you can be before other white people start rejecting you. I think Trump has crossed that line, or is about to.
It’s like the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s — white Northerners were pretty racist themselves, but they thought that Bull Connor and his ilk went too far.
Corner Stone
Michael Steele just made a both sides defense and Tweety “could not agree with you more”, on this whole “both sides are debasing the charge of racism because they are equally bad for using the terms”.
different-church-lady
You guys are on fire for the last six posts. I sense a healthy change in the liberal zeitgeist.
Corner Stone
@cmorenc: God damn but if you aren’t massively failing in your concern trolling today. Sheesh.
redshirt
@different-church-lady: Time to kick ass and take names, yes?
hovercraft
@Omnes Omnibus:
How brave of you, I can’t bring myself to watch, my blood pressure is nice and chill right now because of Hillary’s speech.
Gelfling 545
@cmorenc: Bigotry is bigotry. Picking a different target doesn’t change it.
JR in WV
@cmorenc:
I think the Venn Diagram of Racist haters and LGBTQ haters is nearly a circle, with maybe a tiny, tiny bit of not total overlap. How many racists are cool with teh gays? .00001% or so, maybe a little more, maybe a little less.
ETA: that extra “, tiny” in there!
lamh36
@Mnemosyne: I’m sure which is why all his “outreach” to Black folks is masked in language and inferences that hit at the heart of those soft racist white folks belief about the lives of Black folks in their communities.
hovercraft
@debbie:
This is a strange mind set, when you say something racist or sexist, you are exercising your first amendment rights, but when anyone calls you out or criticizes you, they are infringing on your rights. Stopping discrimination is an attack on your right to discriminate? These people are beyond reach, they’re all heads I win tails you lose.
Davebo
Link to story
Omnes Omnibus
@JR in WV: I’ve met that guy. His name Dan.
Roger Moore
@jl:
The big thing about Trump is that he showed you could win the nomination by appealing to the racists forthrightly rather than by restricting yourself to dog whistles. He’s shown just how thoroughly racism permeates the GOP in a way that the media is having a harder than usual time ignoring.
different-church-lady
@redshirt: the mere willingness to kick and take, instead of piss down leg and hide under bed. Quite a change.
geg6
@laura:
Yes, this. The religious right was spawned by Brown v Board. There is a direct connection between them.
Roger Moore
@JR in WV:
There are plenty of racist, non-self-hating LGBTQ people out there.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
I guess we’re finally getting that discussion on race that this racist as fuck country keeps avoiding. Obama raised the pustule to the surface, Hillary is lancing it, with the Birther in Chief’s own words and deeds.
BGinCHI
She lost me at, “I’ve been thinking a lot….”
No. You haven’t.
lamh36
@Corner Stone: Micheal Steele is the type of guy, who’d defend the GOP even if his own children were the victim of racist bullshit…smh…
Calouste
@JR in WV: It works the other way around, quite a few gays are ok with racism: Pim Fortuijn, Jorg Haider, and of course our local favorite Andy Sullivan.
Feebog
My two youngest grandchildren have been visiting for the past week. They are 10 and 13 (why yes, I’m very old, how can you tell). They have been raised in a very rural, very conservative part of Washington state. Their exposure to people of color is very limited. But the 13 year old has honed in on some of this stuff. We watch MSNBC (Hayes and Maddow mostly), but also have it on the car radio. He has raised several very sage and valid points based on what he is hearing, both from the media and discussions between me and grandma. Trying to explain race and religion to a 13 year old who has been taught that if your are not a Christian you are going to hell has been a challenge.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Yep, but it’s a fine line. Once he gets to be viewed as too openly racist by those white suburban and exurban voters (like the fabled Soccer Moms), it’s game over. There just aren’t enough openly racist whites left in this country to win the presidency.
Hillary handed him an anvil today, and he’s about to plunge to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. I hope he takes as many Republicans with him as possible.
rikyrah
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LePage Calls Father of Slain Muslim-American Soldier a ‘Con Artist’
5 HOURS AGO
Gov. Paul LePage told a conservative talk show host that the father of a Muslim-American Army captain killed in combat is a “con artist” for criticizing Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump.
geg6
@lamh36:
I find him a particularly sad case. You can tell he’s way smarter than he lets on and often barely believes what is coming out of his mouth. He seems like he’d be a good drinking companion, where you’d see a whole different person. It’s very sad because I find him kind of likeable and truly funny. Which is why I find it so sad that he debases himself so much. What a waste!
Calouste
And somewhat on topic, Dutch right-extremist leader Geert Wilders, who was a guest at the GOP convention, has released his new election program which calls for the closure of all mosques and Islamic schools in the country and the banning of the Quran.
Kathleen
@lamh36: I heard Roland Martin say on Tom Joyner show the other morning that Trump is reaching out to white suburban Republican women who are put off by his racist rhetoric, for what that’s worth.
Mnemosyne
Also, too, the “genius” thing about Trump picking the racist assholes at Breitbart to run his campaign is that they’re all hotheads like he is, and there is NO WAY that they’re going to be able to resist defending themselves in their inimitably vicious attack-dog style, which is only going to make things worse with the Soccer Moms.
I knew I should have invested in popcorn futures while I still could …
Schlemazel
@cmorenc:
It just accidentally happens that the white supremacists are attracted to their movement . . . what a co-inky-dink
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
I haven’t got there yet, watching Hillary whuppin ass has put me behind. But Tweety being critical is no surprise. Yesterday he finally told us what the Clintons did to offend him. It’s was using the White House to raise money, reward donors, the Lincoln bedroom crap, and just their general avarice. So basically he like most of the beltway media just didn’t like that they were open about using the White House for political gain. I mean no president before or since has invited donors to the White House right? The guest lists for State Dinners are just random people right? Those rich friends you’ve known for years who give you money are not being rewarded with a night in the White House, they’re just stopping by to say hi.
Eric S.
@Hungry Joe:
It’s a line from a ZZ Top song as well.
lollipopguild
@Mnemosyne: Can I get an Amen?
jl
@Roger Moore: A Trump would have come along sooner or later to blow up the con the leaders were playing on their dupes.
Peale
@Calouste: Ah, how far they’ve gone from the days when protestant religious dissenters used to flee there for protection and publish books and tracts that would be banned in their home countries.
JGabriel
John Cole @ Top:
The difference is more a matter of tone than a difference in goals:
KKK = loud, boisterous, violent racists
Family Values Conservatism = It’s okay to be racist as long as one goes to church and advocates for xenophobia with an indoor voice suitable for news interviews
AltRight = whiny EmoNazis who try to justify their hate on Twitter and Youtube
The Thin Black Duke
@geg6: I’m sorry, but Steele made the choice to willingly stick his head into the noose, which is bad enough. What makes it worse is him asking other black people to come join him on the gallows.
JGabriel
Omnes Omnibus:
Yeah, that’s about how far I got too. Just appalling.
JGabriel
Hunter Gathers:
I’m just wondering how long it will be until the Trump campaign offers her a job. I’m guessing about 72-96 hours.
Roger Moore
@jl:
Maybe so, but Trump is still significant because he’s the one who actually did come along.
Schlemazel
@hovercraft:
What it really was is that Tweety wanted to be the press sec back in ’92. He didn’t pass muster & he has had an ax to grind ever since. He drooled over Bill BJ more than any non-Fox nob-gobbler. It was all pay back
The Thin Black Duke
@hovercraft: It sounds like Matthews is pissed because the Clintons didn’t offer him a job.
(Damn it, Schlemazel got there first)
Miss Bianca
@hovercraft: So, Tweety’s all mad because *he* didn’t get to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom? Or does he console himself with the notion that even if they *offered*, his standards of journalistic integrity wouldn’t have allowed him to accept?
@The Thin Black Duke: Jinx!
lamh36
‘This Neighborhood Does Not Need Any Blacks:’ White Woman Receives Anonymous Letter Targeting Her Black Grandkids
Racism is not dead folks…never has been never will be I’d think it’ll be around in some form or another. The question becomes who plays the ostrich or who confronts it head on when they see folks you know and love doing, saying, sharing racist things.
And I don’t just mean with non-people of color…
Omnes Omnibus
@Peale: Wilders’s party has a nine or so elected MPs. It’s not like those views are wildly popular in NL
Schlemazel
@The Thin Black Duke:
I think he believes he is not just avoiding the noose but getting a nice gig in the big house. There is a term I will not use as I find it offensive for that role. I mostly resent when it is badly used but he pushes me right up to the edge because I do feel he does not believe the BS.
Miss Bianca
@JGabriel: “whiny EmoNazis” FTW!! You are back in high style, JG!
Corner Stone
Oh, my. Now Tweety is just so sad HRC is “accusing Donald Trump to ties with the Klan”.
He likes her speech but not the images of the ad she released. Oh, nastiness.
Fuck me.
debbie
@hovercraft:
It’s the same way they twist religious freedom to protect their right to discriminate. It’s very un-Christian of these Christians.
The Thin Black Duke
@Schlemazel: And that’s why I find Michael Steele a contemptible human being, because he’s smart enough to know better. For example, he’s not a naive idiot like, let’s say, former congressman J.C. Watts, Jr., who I think honestly believed the nonsense the Republicans told him until he finally realized in the end that it was all lies. However, Steele knows it’s bullshit, and he doesn’t goddamned care.
jl
@efgoldman: So, Canadian bacon is made from Canadians, and therefore bogus?
The very idea would put me off eating it, but I’ve never figured out where Canadia is. So, it’s all good.
scav
@rikyrah: They’ve either really all eaten the ergot or there’s a flash mob competition for Meanest and Ugliest American that I missed the casting call for. The swim suit competition has arguably already started, but I don’t think it’s even marginally safe to watch.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: No, but there’s a very weird dynamic going on in some of the most liberal European states wrt Islam and islamophobia. Partly it seems to be fueled by cultural anxiety – “we’re letting in all these foreigners who are using their Western-gained freedoms to set up a Sharia state within our borders!” – and partly it’s just plain racism.
It’s even weirder when you hear an activist like Ayaan Hirsi Ali talk. Now, if anyone, it seems to me, would have room to criticize the anti-liberal and misogynist strains in modern Islam, it would be someone who grew up under it, whose body was mutilated by it, and who has seen the worst of what her religion has to offer up close. But then you get the spectacle of an Islamic (or formerly Islamic) feminist getting into bed with white hard-core right-wingers, arguing that in the name of tolerance and “inclusion” we need to ban the outer cultural trappings of Islam, from burkinis to Muslim schools. It’s very…weird is the only word I got for it.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
That lady needs to post a big sign in her front yard saying, “Dear Anonymous Cowards: Have fun moving, no one here will miss you anyway. Happy trails!”
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
That’s a long ways down.*
*Madame took that picture last week.
Redshift
@Corner Stone: A couple of nights ago, Steel attempted to make a “both sides” argument declaring that the press dividing states into red states and blue states was in the same league as dividing people by ethnicity or religion. Yeah.
He can be entertaining sometimes, but it’s been obvious for a long that that he spins ludicrous pro-GOP arguments because his only value in the media is as a black Republican who isn’t obviously nuts. I think it’s just self serving, which arguably makes it even more disgraceful.
raven
@Redshift: It’s hard out there for a pimp.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: I agree; I just don’t think that the Dutch are the primary offenders here. Their tradition of openness and tolerance is fairly intact. That was my only point.
Mike J
Nigel Farage: “I think Hillary Clinton is running scared … She sounds rather like Bob Geldof“
Redshift
@hovercraft: Apparently conservatives generally believe that “freedom” means the freedom do do the right thing, and if you do the wrong thing, you’re “abusing your freedoms.” But they’re totally opposed to “political correctness,” of course.
germy
OMG, they look and sound like “the credit angels” (if the credit angels were racists)
hovercraft
@rikyrah:
He’s not the first Carl Paladino .
When someone shows you……..
Mnemosyne
@Mike J:
Does anybody in the US other than me still remember who Bob Geldof is?
(I still have and listen to several Boomtown Rats albums. So sue me.)
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Christ, those people are fucking sad. I don’t think a lot of Americans are going to be happy until we bring back the wholesale enslavement of Black people. They’ll never be happy with anything less.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mnemosyne: I think the usual suspects here have heard of him.
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: What does jl have against Canadian pigs?
sherparick
@Hungry Joe: Maybe she thought she was auditioning for “Springtime with Hitler.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmYIo7bcUw She would make a great “Eva Braun.”
It is really sad that these losers exist whose self-esteem is all caught up in their melanin deficient skin. It just makes me have to wear stinky sun screen and worry about dying from melanoma.
Miss Bianca
@Omnes Omnibus: Point taken.
o/t, but I wish my Husky would stop mooing reproachfully at me. “Sun is shining, weather is sweet…why you not want to go on a walk?”
“Because I’m not feeling well, Luna. Why don’t *you* go outside?”
“Noooooo, I want *you* to come with me!”
mkd
John, is skosh the same as the Cincinnati area reference for a little bit? Never saw the vernacular in print form.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: that goldman guy called Canadian pigs, not me.
Lizzy L
Whiny EmoNazis… Oh my. That’s awesome.
I am not watching that video. That woman’s eyes give me the heebie-jeebies.
There’s nothing I want to say that you have not already said, except if given the chance, I would like to say to Paul LePage, “Please proceed, Governor.” Man, he’s really earning his shitgibbon credentials.
Matt
As opposed to, say, “changeable” belief in an imaginary friend.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: But you are the one implying that they are insufficiently porcine to be raw material for bacon.
Miss Bianca
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.):
Not even then, friend. Do you know what The Trash would bitch about then? Same thing they bitch about now: “Those people have it so easy! Free healthcare! Free housing! Free food and clothing! And they’re takng our jerrbbs away!”
Awareness. White Americans, we duz not have it.
bluefish
Is there a requirement that one wear white camisoles while making these idiotic, racist comments? Seriously, it’s like a wanker’s dream video.
debbie
@hovercraft:
Wow. Paladino puts Rudi to shame.
Mnemosyne
@Omnes Omnibus:
I would hope so! I guess I’m doubting that anyone in the crowd of Trump supporters that Farage was speaking to had any clue what he was going on about. It’s probably a big applause line at UKIP rallies, tho.
jl
@mkd:
” John, is skosh the same as the Cincinnati area reference for a little bit? ”
I’ve heard ‘skosh’ used in ads for men’s pants for pre-middle aged adults. The idea is that the regular pants are too tight because, being a grown-up hefty he-man, pants that fit need to be let out to give a ‘skosh’ more room, ‘Skosh’ is supposed to mean ‘a little bit’, but in this context, it means ‘shitload’ (edit: or maybe, ‘buttload’?), at least large enough for a spare tire.
So, the word has been abused and is all F’d up, and it should sue the men’s clothing industry.
debbie
@Omnes Omnibus:
Yay for Sir Bob!
I heard some of Nigel’s introductory remarks at the Trump rally, and he really is the Limey Orange Cheeto. I can’t believe the Brits fell for his line.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: My consciousness has been raised by goldman’s ravings. I’m starting a Canadian Genocide movement. It will feature beer and donuts.
Not sure what to do about Canadian bacon. They seem to be proud of it. i have no idea what is going on that country.
ThresherK
@Hungry Joe: Wasn’t the recipient of that bon mot Tallulah Bankhead?
Omnes Omnibus
@jl:
Eggs Benedict.
Mnemosyne
@mkd:
I found out recently that “skosh” is actually a corruption of a Japanese word (sukoshi) that GI’s brought back from the Korean War. I had always assumed it was Polish or Yiddish, but nope.
It’s a very Midwestern word.
Shana
@Mnemosyne: I remember Bob Geldof. Boomtown Rats were pretty good.
germy
@ThresherK: I thought it was how Ms. Bankhead referred to herself.
But I tend to be skeptical of witty quotes from old Hollywood actors, because nine times out of ten they’d be written by publicity agents.
jl
@Mnemosyne: Thanks for info. The men’s ads I have heard have ruined the word for me. If someone says ‘just a skosh’ my lizard brain remembers the men’s pants ad, and I assume they are lying.
bluefish
@Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): “Never be happy with anything less.” And obviously not happy with anything more or with anything at all. Just really really sad. Terrifying to think that they just keep on breeding and reproducing.
cmorenc
@laura:
For the first 20 years following when the feds really began insistently pushing state & local governments for school integration, this was true, but post-2000 is certainly IS NOT true for the substantial majority of even “Christian Academies” in the south. I know, because as a long-time soccer ref who gets assigned to work *both* public *and* private sectarian schools (including many very fundamentalist “Christian Academies”) I see the current demographics of the teams they field, and the parent-spectators who come to the games, and they are indisputably racially diverse FAR beyond tokenism. This includes both urban, small-town, and rural Christian schools across the broad eastern Piedmont and Coastal Plain North Carolina assignment district where I work soccer games.
What these schools are instead currently about is separating their kids from what they view as the dangerously morally corrupt, anti-religious society around them. But daily the soccer assignor sends racially diverse crews to work their games (including some folks of obvious middle-eastern ethnicity of the sort many folks presume might be Muslim rather than Christian, and they’d be factually correct in most cases about that cause I’ve reffed with many of these crew-mates over Ramadan) – and not one adverse peep out of anyone at the schools or among the spectators I’ve ever witnessed or my fellow ethnic crew-mates have ever reported back to me. Such as today, in fact. This is also true across ref crews for other sports.
THAT SAID, I sometimes for curiosity visit the websites for many of these schools, and the sort of biblical literalism (including biology teachings) IS very scary, were these folks successful in imposing their educational beliefs on the rest of us. For example, many of the more fundamentalist among them use textbooks and curriculum written by a foundation out of Bob Jones University in Greenville, SC – about as hard-core talibangelical Biblical literalist as it’s possible to be. But one on one, they are very nice people to deal with. I just don’t want them in charge of educating my children, or forced on other people’s children.
BR
I’m sharing video of Clinton’s speech today widely, and think that the MSM won’t get it out there for us so it’s up to us.
Miss Bianca
@germy: Tallulah was quite a party girl, if the anecdote I heard about her and Chico Marx is any indication – and I *don’t* think that one would have been dreamed up by a publicist, even if it is apocryphal!
jl
@efgoldman: We are all pre-deceased, little grass hopper.
Anyway, I meant paunchy 30 somethings. Which from the sound of the voices in the ads I remember, seemed to be the target audience.
I am much older than that. I am pre-elderly, by now.
Mnemosyne
@cmorenc:
Bob Jones University? The place that outright banned interracial dating by its students until 2000, and only lifted the ban because of outside pressure?
Nope, no racism there.
germy
@Miss Bianca: Interesting trivia: Tallulah was on the Johnny Carson show the night Lennon and McCartney showed up to plug their new business venture: Apple Records.
(Guest host was Joe Garagiola)
ThresherK
@germy: On second thought I think you’re right. Of course I refuse to think of Sam Goldwyn as having publicity agents put those malapropisms in his mouth, but many of the stars, who knows?
I have read enough books (which are now old books!) about Old Hollywood that I like to work from memory instead of Yahoogling everything in the world. Sometimes it’s a miss.
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
@bluefish:
Yes, that’s true. you could give them everything they tell us they want, and they’d still bitch and moan about how awful everything is. They’re like my nine year old on a bad day. Every day.
Anastasio Beaverhausen
Why, in the first place, does the Attorney General of West Virginia, not exactly a megastate, need not just a Communications Director, but an Assistant Communications Director?
JGabriel
@Miss Bianca: Danke.
Miss Bianca
@germy: Wow. That *is* interesting trivia! : )
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl: Should I give you my walker, pops?
germy
@ThresherK: Back in the 1970s I read so many books about old Hollywood. I get dizzy when I realize the ’70s are almost further away from now than old Hollywood was from the ’70s.
Jeffro
@rikyrah:
“Trump’s rubber, you’re glue!” Great defense there, Governor.
germy
@Miss Bianca: A grainy clip survives on youtube. Tallulah gives a little scream when introduced to John & Paul, poking gentle fun at the screaming ladies in the audience. But she seemed genuinely charmed by them.
jl
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
“I have answered three questions, and that is enough,”
Said his father, “don’t give yourself airs!
Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
Be off, or I’ll kick you downstairs!”
ThresherK
@Miss Bianca: I’m with you on the self-sourcing for Tallulah.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: She denied being bisexual and said that she was ambisextrous.
germy
@jl: Time for another Fantastic Fable from Ambrose Bierce:
ThresherK
@germy: “Singin’ in the Rain” and Norma Desmond’s career were depicted some 25 years after they fake-existed.
The same timespan almost exists between Robert Altman’s “The Player” and today. Makes a fellow feel a touch old.
On the other hand I like having lived long enough that some of the lost films from those books are now found.
rikyrah
Donald Trump, black people have everything to lose if they vote for you
By Leonard Greene
You asked the question.
And, though I imagine it was nothing more than a rhetorical question, it is still a question that, given the subject matter, deserves an answer.
You, after all, are the same man who relentlessly questioned the citizenship of the nation’s first black President.
That was before you dragged your feet and double-talked your way through questions — there’s that word again — about the support of white supremacist David Duke.
………………………….
What the hell do you have to lose?”
Well, here goes, in no particular order:
No. 1: My dignity.
No. 2: My self-respect.
No. 3: My standing among family and friends, black or white, and anyone who has ever held me in high regard.
No. 4: My future.
No. 5: My children’s future.
No. 6: Their children’s future.
cmorenc
@Mnemosyne:
But that’s NOT why many of these “Christian Academies” use Bob Jones foundation’s texts and curriculums – rather it’s because these schools want their students raised on an ultra-pure fundamentalist religious world view, with nothing whatever in the texts contradicting that. Most of them are now trying to promote themselves as welcomely diverse racially and ethnically (go visit their websites and see for yourself) – what they don’t want are families still adhering to Islam among their student body. That’s religious bigotry, not racial bigotry.
As I said, these schools give me the chilly-willies about the potential they could ever impose similar curriculums on most American kids – narrow-mindedness, anti-scientific world views and religious intolerance are the risks, not outright racial bigotry any longer for most of them.
germy
@Omnes Omnibus: According to the book “Here At The New Yorker” (that I bought in 1975) Tallulah called Robert Benchley “an excellent cocksmith” which embarrassed the hell out of him. He wanted to keep their relationship quiet.
Ruckus
There isn’t a dimes worth of difference but using the dime as a measure of value really overstates their value. The amount of overstatement using a dime as the base is somewhere in the neighborhood of a million times their value.
Raven
Ha ha, some jackass is on Hayes whining about Hil advertising door the “alt-right”!
jl
@rikyrah: First thing I thought of when Trump started his outreach was ‘the vote’. IIRC he was blathering about Trump poll squads just before someone convinced him to try to pivot to the center.
geg6
@The Thin Black Duke:
Oh, don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. He just gives me a “road not taken” feeling. Makes me sad that he’s made such horrific choices in life.
germy
@ThresherK: I remember seeing old silent film stars on the Mike Douglas Show and other talk shows. A clip exists of David Letterman interviewing Hal Roach, who began his film career in 1915 (!)
germy
@rikyrah:
Have you seen this?
Charles Blow Breaks Donald Trump’s Media Metagame
On Monday’s edition of “CNN Tonight with Don Lemon,” New York Times columnist and author Charles Blow refused to comply with Donald Trump’s political con job and an American corporate news media that has acted irresponsibly in aiding and abetting his presidential campaign. In an exchange with Donald Trump’s minion Bruce Levell, Charles Blow did not allow Trump’s clear pattern, habit and strategy of racism and bigotry to be obfuscated or repackaged.
Schlemazel
@Shana:
The only thing I know about Geldof is “We Are the World”
And a parody of same where they rhyme ‘telled-off’ with ‘Geldof’
germy
@Schlemazel: and “I Don’t Like Mondays”
Honus
@cmorenc: @cmorenc: good point. So tell me what policy the FRC ever advocated that didn’t exclusively benefit white people. At the expense of people of color.
cmorenc
@efgoldman:
I would agree that many of these current “Christian Academies” are about fighting “multiculturalism” or tolerance for diverse religious views. But most of them will gladly now accept folks of any ethnicity or race who are willing to demonstrate adherence to their hard-core fundamentalist versions of Christianity. That in fact is a key “entry test” most of these schools impose – do the families have the correct “Biblical Worldview” set of beliefs.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@jl:
You might need my walker as to not fall down while doing that.
JR in WV
@Roger Moore:
That’s a third, different circle, and I don’t know where it is or how big it is. My gay friends aren’t racist. So I’m not talking about LGBTQ people, I’m talking about straight white bigots – people who hate them. And I’m saying those haters almost certainly hate black people too.
grumpy realist
@Hungry Joe: Tallulah B., IIRC.
JR in WV
@Calouste: You need to read about the Venn diagram I was describing. There are no gay people in either circle of what I describe, just haters.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Shana: Sun City was good, too.
Cheers,
Scott.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
I agree. Someone cooked me up some crap that was labeled bacon but was made out of an animal that can fly, even if not that far. And as I seem to recall some saying about pigs can fly, I assume that any animal that can fly can not be made into bacon. Not even a facsimile of bacon.
? Martin
@cmorenc:
Of course they will. They’ll lose access to federal financial aid and other funding sources if they don’t. I’m sure you are correct about many of these institutions but its’ also clear that many are only doing it because refusal would mean they would be financially ruined.
magurakurin
###########AWESOME ALERT#############
This is so awesome. You can make you’re own Trump Slogans. So far I made
BECAUSE A SHITGIBBON GOTTA FLING SHIT
BECAUSE YOU, YOU’RE PART EGGPLANT
READ MY LIPS “NO MORE MEXICANS!”
Too much fun. Popping them up on Facebook.
Ruckus
@scav:
It used to be that you had to travel to see the Ugly American but these days you can pretty much stand still and there will be some in your sight.
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Ruckus: I have some turkey “sausage”, gawd that’s awful.
cmorenc
@Honus:
In their narrow-minded view, the sorts of things that are good for people like themselves are also equally good for everyone across society and different cultures. The bigotry is their breathtaking narrow-mindedness, which is corollary to their strict religious fundamentalism.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Though that was mainly a Steven Van Zandt effort. Sorry.
Cheers,
Scott.
(Memory is a funny thing…)
Jeffro
@Raven:
Yes, as if HRC’s speech is going to help them gain converts to the cause. I’m sure many a bug has appreciated the light when its favorite hiding-rock is flipped over…if only for a second…
She laid it all out so bluntly I’m not sure the mainstream media have really processed it all. Dogwhistles? Here’s what they are and what they mean. “Alt-right”? Modern racists behind keyboards. Bannon? Head of a sketchy website with almost unbelievable headlines and “news”, now fully wedded to the Republican. Candidate. for the. Presidency.
I mean on the GOP side, this is so far gone, so far beyond the pale (pun intended)…we will indeed be telling our grandkids about this, one way or another.
delk
In 1996, Tony Perkins the president of the Family Research Council paid David Duke $82,500 for his mailing list.
Mnemosyne
I’m going to be seeing the new “Ghostbusters” in about 45 minutes, but somebody needs to tell Adam that they’re going to be writing another musical just for him.
Mike J
@cmorenc:
One of the many movies about the white woman who saves the black kid, The Blind Side, is about a school I was sent to when Memphis started busing. No official policy against black kids, they just (ahem) didn’t happen to have any.
Peale
@Mnemosyne: see it twice and whenever Leslie jones comes on, stand up and cheer. “Fuck you alt right jack-offs. I love this woman”
Amir Khalid
@Schlemazel:
Um, Geldof didn’t write We Are The World. That was Michael Jackson and Lionel Ritchie. He and Midge Ure wrote Do They Know It’s Christmas
scav
@JR in WV: Reading your description of your original Venn diagram and now how you’re seemingly defining it doesn’t make a lot of sense. No LBGT are haters? Ever? No racists that have a favorite cousin who came out as gay and they’ve adapted to same — it’s not like that suddenly makes the racists all huggy-lovey with blacks and immigrants at the same time.
hovercraft
Trump tonight when Anderson Cooper asked him about “the softening,” he replied that he’s not sure it’s a softening, in fact some people say it’s a hardening.
cmorenc
@? Martin:
No, they see their mission as eventually converting *everyone* to their religious view, if only they can. They’re not called “evangelicals” for nothing. They are the ultimate utopians in that regard. If similar to the movie “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” they could lay a pod beside every American’s bed that would transform the person to a fundamentalist Christian when they woke up, they’d be trying to sneak in your bedroom to lay a pod beside you at first opportunity.
Punchy
If a bomb-laden speech blows up in a forest but no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound? Unless the media report her speech honestly (they wont), this doesnt even make tomorrow’s news cycle.
But emails? EMAILS! FUCKING DIRTY EMAILS!
Mnemosyne
@cmorenc:
Look, let’s try this another way:
Anything they’re getting from Bob Jones University is going to be filled with thinly-veiled racist bullshit, because that’s what the fundie movement DOES. Are the nice people you talk to fully aware that their kids are being fed a steady diet of thinly-veiled racist bullshit along with their Xtian propaganda? Probably not, but that doesn’t change the fact that thinly-veiled racist bullshit IS what their kids are getting.
And if you haven’t figured out by now that “Muslim” is the new, polite way to say “nigger” — which is why you have a persistent core of people who insist that President Obama is a “Muslim” — then you may be too naive for this world.
Peale
@Jeffro: the msm can’t see the issue because their editors probably still get off at their desks to the same anti-Clinton e-mail lists they were on in the 1990s.
lamh36
@politico
#BREAKING: Trump’s campaign CEO once charged in domestic violence case
hovercraft
More from Anderson and Trump
Hillary is a lazy bigot.
hovercraft
@lamh36:
That is about the least surprising thing I’ve read today. Of course he’s an abuser.
lamh36
@danielhalper
Trump campaign CEO accused in divorce papers of attacking wife via @nypost
Corner Stone
@Punchy: EMAILS!!!
Mike J
@Amir Khalid: Since you mentioned Midge Ure, I will post a song,without going to the Ultravox well. Probably my favorite song he was involved with.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Ooh, to new ‘Ghostbusters’! I guess I’ll have to wait till it’s out on DVD…
And ha! to Adam’s Musical! He turned me onto the Batman/Music Meister thingie and I very much enjoyed it!
JR in WV
@Anastasio Beaverhausen:
Our AG is a bag of crap! He joins every court case against freedom and democracy there is. Anti everything. And of course he hires people to help with that, using MY money. And everyone else’s, John Cole’s, etc.
Dirt bag. So he needs help trying to cover up the smell of his hate.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: Glen Matlock as well.
Dork
@lamh36: Hillary’s husband once accused of being a shitty husband.
Both Sides, libtards.
Emma
@Punchy: Not this time. Trump will keep it front and center with his hissy fits.
peach flavored shampoo
@lamh36: Wow…the NY Post is reporting that? Holy fuck, they’re more right wing than WSJ and Forbes combined. Why would they want to tank their own nominee?
MikeBoyScout
Somebody very near where you are right now is not yet registered to vote in the November election. You can change this.
The time is now to help register every voter.
If we all do our little bit we can win the whole kit and caboodle.
Yes.We.Can.
You know you want it. Do your bit as best you can, and it’s yours.
dmsilev
@hovercraft:
Still peeved about those statues from last week and the NY Park district’s “small erection” comment, is he?
Miss Bianca
@Mike J: Wow, how did I miss these guys back in tha day? They’re great!
scav
@peach flavored shampoo: Once one starts jonsing for easy clicks, mere loyalty to traditional allies falls by the wayside. Trump himself got them started on the hard stuff. See also Trumps personally stated ideal relationship with NATO allies: not contributing to the coffers recently? consider yourself unpredictably dumped.
JR in WV
@cmorenc:
I’m sorry, but there is no difference in my mind between religious bigotry and racism.
And further, I bet if one of those successful black athletes dated the city councilman’s blond daughter, he would fly a hundred feet from the speed with which he got expelled for unChristian behavior.
But, Bless you heart for your optimism!
Maybe I’m too old, I saw the “colored only” signs with my own eyes.
Omnes Omnibus
@Miss Bianca: They were only together for about 18 months in ’77-’78 and produced only one album.
one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer
@lamh36:
I’ll cut him the barest slack on that one – New Years Day is like the witching hour for couples in crisis, and I make zero judgments for what happens on that specific calendar day.
Mike J
@Omnes Omnibus: The world (or at least I) need a power pop revival. You might say it’s what I need. So let me bust out at full speed.
Second martini in hand, chicken on the grill, Seahawks preseason game about to start, and now a tune or two to which I will listen.
Schlemazel
@Amir Khalid:
I seem to remember he was a driving force in getting people to take part in the song. Is that wrong?
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: NYMary from over at Eschaton has a blog devoted to power pop.
cmorenc
@Mnemosyne:
Let’s try this from still another angle – South Carolina, as redneck-traditionally racist a state as they come, has a popular governor in ethnic Indian (as distinguished from Native American) governor in Nikki Haley, and a black-as-coal US Senator in Tim Scott who is up for election this cycle, and overwhelmingly favored to win re-election this fall, which wouldn’t be possible without support from a broad swath of these redneck-racists. Which most of them still indisputably are in so many ways that count. Now that’s a Hell of a conundrum, especially to non-Southerners, but being originally from the nearby region up in North Carolina – I understand this completely. Both Haley and Scott are paradigm examples of clearly non-white ethnics (especially Scott) who have so completely adopted the cultural and political clothing of the surrounding society that they are accepted more or less as “one of us” by the dominant white society around them. Scott’s adopted the view and agenda of the conservative SC chamber-of-commerce types in polite white society. Back in the days when segregation still prevailed across the south, nearly every southern small town had a black “leader” figure whom the still racist southern white elite could comfortably deal with, who’s not going to “stir up any trouble”, although back then they of course would never let him into their country club. Scott is the modern version of that. Haley’s a bit different case, but she’s not so culturally or in appearance Indian subcontinent that whites feel uncomfortable with her. ALSO, in this day and age when (at least prior to Trump) being publicly racist (as opposed to dog-whistle racist) is no longer cool, even in South Carolina, Haley and Scott serve the useful purpose to these folks of proving “see – we’re not racists”. Yeah, right.
Omnes Omnibus
@Schlemazel: Geldof was involved in the British song and in organizing the concerts.
Mnemosyne
@cmorenc:
The existence of tokens is not evidence of an absence of racism. Quite the contrary, in fact.
BBA
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Bruce and Stevie and the rest of the E Street Band toured South Africa recently, with “Sun City” added to the setlist. They did not in fact play Sun City, although if they had it would have been peak irony to perform a song about why you aren’t going to perform at the venue you’re currently performing at.
(Yes, Sun City is still there. It’s racially integrated now so I take it the song doesn’t apply anymore.)
geg6
@one_particular_harbour, fka Botsplainer:
Yeah, what’s a little wife abuse since it’s NYD, amirite? *wink**wink*
cmorenc
To follow up on my above comment to Memosyne about the conundrum of political success of Tim Scott and Nikki Haley in redneck-racist South Carolina, the folks at Christian Academies are happy to accept racial and ethnic minorities in their midst for similar reasons – the sort of blacks and other ethnics who choose to go to these academies don’t give white parents cultural or religious heebie-jeebies – these kids and their families are comfortably enough like the majority white families in these schools that they are implicitly accepted as if they were white Christians. They’re no longer seen as alien “others” from the threatening corrupt anti-Christian society. Now does that make sense?
Mnemosyne
@cmorenc:
As someone else asked above, how much interracial dating have you seen at those schools?
schrodinger's cat
@Miss Bianca: For you with love from Punjab, from Deepa Mehta’s 1947, Earth based on Bapsi Sidhwa’s novel, Ice Candy Man. A wonderful, if sad movie about India’s partition. It is set in Lahore, one of the cities that was among the worst hit by sectarian violence.
Root Aah Gaye Re (The season (spring) is here) is probably April. Partition was Aug 15, 1947. They don’t know yet how their lives are going to change. Aamir Khan’s performance as the Ice Candy Man is nothing short of brilliant.
I don’t know if you read the cultural cues, that the woman in the yellow sari (Nandita Das) is Hindu, while the guy in the long red shirt (Aamir Khan), is Muslim.
Lahore was a Sikh stronghold and Ranjit Singh’s (the last Sikh ruler of Punjab before the British takeover) capital. Lahore is about 15 miles from the infamous Radcliffe line that divided British India into India and Pakistan.
Music by A R Rehman and the singer is Sukhwinder Singh.
BruceFromOhio
@debbie: Love to see someone stand up and say, fuck off, we sent yours packing in the 1770’s, now you do the same.
Lizzy L
@Mnemosyne: I don’t believe that cmorenc is claiming that the white people whose kids go to these Christian schools are not racist. She/he is saying that they have managed to carve out a space in their heads in which certain non-whites get to be viewed and treated as honorable white people. They are what used to be called “good Negroes.” If their behavior/clothing/music/religious practices/political affirmations were to change, they would no longer be viewed that way and life at those academies and in those communities would get very uncomfortable for their kids and for them.
cmorenc, have I understood you, or am I way off base?
cmorenc
@Mnemosyne:
Hey, I didn’t say these folks were entirely consistent about viewing ethnics they accept in their midst as if they were culturally “honorary whites” – I’m merely explaining how they think, using the conundrum of Tim Scott and Nikki Haley as a key into their way of thinking. I don’t know how much interracial dating goes on in these schools – I’d bet it isn’t much, but probably not quite so vanishingly rare as you might think any more. But to the extent it does occur, the dynamic with the white kid’s parents will doubtless be very similar to their political acceptance of Tim Scott – it’s a kid who can quickly, successfully sell the parents that he’s culturally “white” enough that doesn’t really “look” black to them any more underneath the skin.
Capri
@efgoldman: There is one, very small Christian secondary school in my town. I know one person who sends his kids to that school. He isn’t overtly Christian, but he once told me that he pulled his kids out of the local public high school because there were too many kids “from Chicago” there and that his children aren’t used to them.
I drew my own conclusion all right, he’s a stone cold racist. I’m guessing he doesn’t feel out of place there.
redshirt
@BBA: I ain’t gonna play Sun City.
Tee
@jl: read this earlier and just finished a sweet bread dough for glazed maple donuts with candied Canadian bacon. My kids say thanks for the idea.?
Omnes Omnibus
@redshirt: If you refuse to play Sun City because of apartheid, are you ethically obliged to play there post-apartheid?
eclare
@Mike J: I live in Memphis and refused (and still do) to see it.
Miss Bianca
@schrodinger’s cat: Squee! Thank you!
Ian
@Anastasio Beaverhausen:
Have you seen how the repubs govern? Of course they need an assistant to the assistant communicator. How else do their friends kids get jobs?
Schlemazel
@Omnes Omnibus:
AH. Well one of the jokes in the parody was that people felt intimidated into performing because they were scared of Bob.
Blueskies
@cmorenc: You need to get out more often.
Schlemazel
@eclare:
WHAT!?!? You missed the movie of how a magical white woman saved a poor negro boy destined for gangsterhood simply out of the goodness of here heart? With no idea at all he could play football.
Why that brave white woman even stared down the worst colored gangster in all of the ghetto simply by stating she had a gun in her purse! she really was magical
Joel
@Mike J: Thank Zeus I’m not the only one who thinks The Blind Side is an unvarnished piece of shit.
Cain
@Miss Bianca:
I was talking to a Syrian and he was saying that it is really difficult for Syrians to integrate and likely will never integrate (at least the first generation) and he states his mother as one of those. He felt strongly that if they can’t that they need to go back to their homeland and fight for stability instead of trying to live out a life in a foreign land. I can sort of understand that as a first generation immigrant who also is critical of indian immigrants who come here and settle in “indian areas”. I integrated myself just fine, because my parents set an example of integration.
I think being part of the greater community is important. You miss out on a lot of great, strong friendships if you only constrain yourself to your own kind.
cmorenc
@Lizzy L:
I think you’re pretty darn close to what I was driving at.
Omnes Omnibus
@Cain:Did the Syrian family come here as voluntary immigrants or were they refugees (either official or effective)? I would suspect that the former will integrate more easily. The latter mostly likely want to be in their home country and have a psychological need to remain Syrian. I mean it Trump won and we went fascist; I might feel the need to leave to protect myself and my family. I would not stop seeing myself as American.
schrodinger's cat
@Cain: Indian areas? Indians are such a minuscule minority that I doubt there are really that many Indian areas around. There is Jackson Heights in NYC, Sunnyvale in California, may be Edison NJ. If you live anywhere else there is not just that many Indians around AFAIK.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike J: As long as we are touching on power pop and related genres, we should wish Declan MacManus a happy 62d. Kinder Murder.
redshirt
@Omnes Omnibus: Yes, I’d say. Playing a mixed race Sun City would be sweet justice, yes?
Chris
@lamh36:
Yeah, I’ll never be on that wavelength. I’ve got conservative relatives and acquaintances too. I have no illusions about any of them: most of them are either racist or classist to the core, usually both. Make them Germans from the interwar period, and I’m very comfortable stating that they would’ve gravitated to the Thousand Year Reich and ridden it all the way to its inglorious finish – mostly as fellow travelers, but that makes no difference in practice. Sad, but a fact.
Chris
@Roger Moore:
Yes. Trump has effectively un-Southern-strategied the GOP and reopened a fault line that many didn’t even realize might still exist on the right side of the aisle.
RadioOne
Some Republicans and the Fox News Channel really have no idea how much of a dumpster fire supporting Donald Trump for President is going to become in the home stretch.
Anonymous Coward
@schrodinger’s cat:Iselin NJ, not Edison, renamed by some to Indian NJ
Theodore Wirth
So, Miss Bowe “I was told that my race, the white race, was the cause of all the world’s problems…”
Have you ever considered that there may be a grain of truth in these teachings?