Trump to blacks: "What do you have to lose? You're living in poverty. Your schools are no good. You have no jobs." pic.twitter.com/LCWDwIf5Ju
— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) August 19, 2016
This wasn't in the prepared remarks. So as for "who thought this was a good idea?" the answer is: Donald Trump. https://t.co/uH1nUqZ9Pa
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) August 19, 2016
Apparently it has been discovered that some people, despite Trump’s explicit appeal to “my African-American,” do not realize voting for Deadbeat Don is their last chance at the lottery ticket to a better life. (His new campaign manager, after all, runs a site well known for being not at all hostile to people of color.) The Washington Post dissects Trump’s latest appeal to African-Americans with far more seriousness than it actually deserves — “It’s hard to imagine a much worse pitch Donald Trump could have made for the black vote”:
… Consider: Black Americans are not “living in poverty” as a general rule. A quarter of the black population is, according to data from the Kaiser Family Foundation, about the same as the percentage of Hispanics. In Michigan, the figure is slightly higher. Most black Americans don’t live in poverty, just as most white Americans don’t.
Consider: The unemployment rate in the black community is higher than that in the white community, as it has been since the Department of Labor started keeping track. Among young blacks, though, the figure is not 59 percent — unless (as PolitiFact noted) you consider not the labor force but every young black American, including high school students…
Consider: Black voters are perfectly able to evaluate candidates on qualities other than their political parties. Black voters began supporting the Democratic Party heavily thanks to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Since then, they have consistently voted for the party — a party that is one-fifth black and which since 1964 has elected the vast majority of the black members of Congress…. Democrats win the support of black voters consistently because those voters like the work that they do and like the fights that they fight…
Apart from {facepalm} x n, what’s on the agenda for the end of the weekend?
TRUMP: "Whites: I'm addressing blacks but am really talking to you. Look how nice I talk about blacks, whites! Not racist! Join me, whites"
— Owen Ellickson (@onlxn) August 19, 2016
Weird timing to hand your campaign to the head of a white nationalist website during African-American outreach week https://t.co/xJFkhjuB2t
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) August 19, 2016
"Hey, I'm a racist
And you're all lazy
But now I'm desperate
So vote me maybe" https://t.co/enzKM6wawg— chrisberez (@chrisberez) August 20, 2016
The Dangerman
Obviously, this person never saw Kentucky fried Movie.
/Rex Kramer
Emma
I’d heard about this but hadn’t read the actual speech. All I can say is that if I facepalmed as hard as it deserved I would give myself a concussion.
Amir Khalid
Trump is simply incorrigible, Isn’t he? I do worry that his constant onslaught of huge gaffes will actually normalise their hugeness in people’s eyes, so that they see a slightly less huge gaffe as a sign that he’s starting to think and talk and behave like a normal person
mike in dc
Maybe he can sharpen his appeal by imploring African American voters to “get off the Democrat plantation.”
I highly recommend he do this while addressing a predominantly black audience.
gogol's wife
@Amir Khalid:
That’s already happened.
gogol's wife
@Amir Khalid:
OT — since I don’t always see you here — what recording of Les Miserables do you recommend?
To add a Trump comment to keep me in the bourgeois frame, how’s Mr. “Says who?” doing?
SueMack
I like to think this is all a really bad joke and maybe (I hope) it is. Let’s just get to the punchline already and end this JOKE of a scampaign! I mean really!! This man and his followers should be removed from polite society post haste!!
dmsilev
Offer free watermelon and fried chicken? Blackface vaudeville performance? There’s _always_ room to go lower.
Villago Delenda Est
@gogol’s wife: Given that those who the GOP once actively shunned and told them to get the hell out of our tent are now in the process of taking over the place, yup, this is all about normalizing the abnormal. Soon they’ll drop all pretense and put on armbands and demand racial purity laws.
Misterpuff
I am afraid that some white voters will fall for it (welcome the cover so they can vote R).
gogol's wife
@Villago Delenda Est:
I thought this piece in the New York Times Sunday magazine today was excellent.
Adam L Silverman
@The Dangerman: “Catholic High School Girls in Trouble”…
eric
i guess he is saying that given that the GOP has already decided to do away with the VRA, and the disenfranchisment legislation has already been enacted, there really is nothing else for black americans to lose. mighty white of him.
Emma
@Misterpuff: The ones that “fall for it” were just looking for an excuse, no matter how flimsy.
Peale
@dmsilev: not all of you want a handout. Most. But those of you who don’t should vote for me. Becaus I’m the only one who’ll let you hate on Mexicans, at least until I try appealing for Hispanic votes, at which time I’ll compliment them for being better than you.
p.a.
I have nothing to add to the Trump critique; anger, embarrassment, disgust etc.
So: I saw Sausage Party today. Wow. The wonder of CGI: if on-screen actors said and did it, it would be X I think.
Surprised (not shocked; my comedy taste is juvenile) by the dialog, and pleasantly surprised by the anti-religion tone. (Or am I projecting my non-belief onto the movie?)
Adam L Silverman
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/19/breitbart-editor-milo-yiannopoulos-takes-100-000-for-charity-gives-0.html
The Dangerman
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m fairly sure that scene prompted puberty to kick in.
Adam L Silverman
@The Dangerman: For a number of people!
Steeplejack
Just wanted to let anybody who’s interested know that the ransomware problem from this morning had a successful outcome. Thanks for all the advice!
Urza
The comments on Sahil Kapur’s twitter are pretty ridiculous. Rather sure none of those people has ever taken the time to actually talk to an African American, let alone a poor African American.
ruemara
@p.a.: No, the movie is very explicitly anti-religion. That being said, I think I can miss the puerile story.
Shalimar
I grew up in Alabama. George Wallace was a family acquaintance, as he was for pretty much anyone in the state who had influence. I was too young to have known the segregationist Wallace who had run the state for years and ran for president repeatedly as an unrepentant racist. The George Wallace I knew as a child was the one who had apologized and received over 90% of the African-American vote when he won in 1982. People change. Even horrible people. Other than Trump. Trump isn’t going to change.
amk
@Misterpuff: As if they needed a reason.
rikyrah
Omari Sankofa II @omarisankofa
Ryan Lochte is the same age as LeBron. Hard to imagine anyone defend LeBron as a kid having fun if he tried to pull what Lochte pulled
Bubblegum Tate
And yet [shameless nutpicking ahead] one black wingnut was moved to tears (of joy, to be clear) and claims that Donald Trump’s message is what the GOP should’ve been saying for 60 years.
Baud
I’m confident that if Hillary went to Appalachia and said the same thing to the white folk there, she would earn their vote.
Alternatively, they would pre-impeach her.
Baud
@Steeplejack:
Your brother has given up on RWNJ sites?
rikyrah
The HillVerified account
@thehill
Trump campaign manager: “I’m white” and was “very moved” by his pitch to black voters
rikyrah
Curry ran Emerge Magazine. His two most famous covers were of Unca Clarence:
One of him as a lawn jockey
The other in a bandanna
Classics.
Alycee @jazziz2
R.I.P. George Curry | Via @NPR: George Curry, Legendary Political And Civil Rights Journalist, Dies At 69
5:54 PM – 21 Aug 2016
Adam L Silverman
@Urza: Just read the comments on any non-moderated right wing site. Doesn’t matter if its politics or news or guns or hunting or fishing or what have you. Very quickly the comments devolve into these bizarre essays and lectures and rants about African Americans and Muslims and Islam and Democrats and liberals, etc.
Suzanne
@Amir Khalid: That has for sure already occurred. He has lowered the level of acceptable political discourse, and it was already pretty shitty beforehand. This is the lasting harm of Trump.
Mr. Suzanne and Spawn the Elder and I went canvassing last night. The party had us go out at 5pm, which was pretty smart, because the morning canvasses in an Arizona summer are just murder. However, a huge storm rolled in, and we only got through one apartment complex. ERGH.
Baud
@rikyrah: If Trump doesn’t win the black vote now, that’s just proof that the election was rigged.
redshirt
@Misterpuff: Don’t be afraid, organize. Don’t boo, vote.
Even if this “The Softer Side of Trump” act brings a few votes back to Trump, he’s still weighed under epic disadvantages.
This election is ours. The only question is how thorough the rout.
Amir Khalid
@gogol’s wife:
There are a number of recordings that hit different spots. There’s the original Boublil-Schonberg concept album, a hit in Paris but quite different from the West End show; a complete symphonic recording for the musical completist (the entire score, which is more of it than you hear at any performance); cast albums in 40-odd languages going back to 1985; the 10th and 25th anniversary concert recordings; and of course the movie soundtrack album. I don’t have anything like a complete collection, but as far as I know those are the mains ones. Some of these have been posted on YouTube (Shh! Don’t tell Cameron Mackintosh!) and you can listen to them there.
As to individual vocal performances, the movie soundtrack has Anne Hathaway’s legendary I Dreamed a Dream and Eddie Redmayne’s Empty Chairs. Jackman does the best Valjean’s Soliloquy I’ve heard, but his Bring Him Home underwhelms, and Crowe’s very restrained Javert isn’t to everyone’s liking. I’d say the most consistent recording I’ve heard is the 10th anniverary.
Shalimar
@Adam L Silverman:
That is … a very wide range. I guess he’s still trying to figure out how much he can pocket without people knowing.
In other news, my salary is somewhere between $175 and $50,000 a year. I haven’t checked lately to be sure.
Amanda in the South Bay
I love how Milo’s sexuality is trotted out by his supporters as an example of identity politics. “Why did Twitter ban a *GAY* journalist?” “A GAY journalist can’t be racist!” Identity politics is bad when it revolves around purple haired Bay Area SJWs, but we need the world to know Milo is gay ASAP.
Baud
@Suzanne: Awesome. After NC, I want AZ.
different-church-lady
Who on god’s green earth would prepare remarks like that?
rikyrah
Larry Sabato
@LarrySabato
Trump polls 1-2% among blacks. In ’64 Goldwater got 6% after voting no on the Civil Rights Act. In ’68 segregationist George Wallace won 3%.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Or just read Free Republic. It’s all summarized there.
Have you ever frequented the site?
They even have the grift, as the owner and family raises something like 35K every 3 months to “run” the site.
Adam L Silverman
@rikyrah: About time she noticed she was white. Wonder what clued her in?
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: How did you decrypt the hijacked files?
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: Also some of the moderated ones.
Steeplejack
@Baud:
LOL, it wasn’t that successful. He was able to retrieve his files and (allegedly) kill the ransomware, but I am doubtful that he will follow through on my suggestion to do a reinstall of Windows. Anyway, I performed my fraternal duty and can wash my hands of it now.
Ultraviolet Thunder
This is the African American voter that Trump is appealing to.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: She wasn’t kicked out of Trump’s rallies?
debbie
@Emma:
You have to hear to really understand the depth of offensiveness.
Peale
@Amanda in the South Bay: what concerns me is that he might have a boyfriend, when he ought to be undateable.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: This is amazing:
You could probably do it with a goddamned legal pad!
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
A program from Emsisoft compared clean and dirty versions of the same file and extracted the 24-digit key needed to decrypt all the locked files.
Adam L Silverman
@Shalimar: Perhaps you should look at the thing your boss gives you called a pay stub?
Adam L Silverman
@Amanda in the South Bay: He actually keeps his primary residence in London.
Steeplejack
@Major Major Major Major:
Yes, how in the world did they ever accomplish anything before computers?!
different-church-lady
@Steeplejack: Slick. Didn’t know it was that easy.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
Also on Twitter. I’m not sure why anyone bothers anymore.
Major Major Major Major
@Steeplejack: That is some shoddy encryption right there.
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: she’s a sword swallower at a circus side show and her salary is based on admissions. Her boss hates discussing payment with her. In fact, the last time she asked for her cut, the conversation turned dicey rather quickly.
debbie
@redshirt:
“The Softer Side of Trump”? Eew, gross.
SiubhanDuinne
@Major Major Major Major:
Fix’d.
debbie
@rikyrah:
That’s even more offensive than Trump’s remarks.
Splitting Image
As much as I would like to have this election over with and never have to see either of Trump’s faces again (the smug, ignorant one and the aggressive, scowling one), I keep reminding myself that the longer he talks, the more he drags down his ticket in the Senate and the House.
Mike in NC
We MUST allow Drumpf to be Drumpf!
ThresherK
@Steeplejack: Good to hear. What was the treatment?
Ultraviolet Thunder
@different-church-lady:
It isn’t. If it was properly encrypted that would be impossible. But apparently the hackers rolled their own code just good enough to keep the user away from his own files rather than paying to rent the real strong encrypt software. Or that’s my guess. In any case, he dodged a bullet and should not go wandering in firing ranges any more.
Steeplejack
@different-church-lady:
It’s not that easy, from what I read. This virus was apparently based on a previous one that someone had already cracked, so Emsisoft was able to hone in on the right pieces to compare.
Amir Khalid
@redshirt:
There’s this guy named Michael Rosenblum (caution: HuffPo link) who reckons America has gone full-blown Idiocracy, and that’s why Trump will win.
Emma
@debbie: I cannot stand his voice. It raises my hackles, as if I were a wolf or something.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: Freep would be covered under my discussion. I have not been there in some time. Generally if I’m going to wade through that stuff its the comments on firearms and outdoor gear blogs/magazines. At least the articles are sometimes interesting, and the gear reviews for outdoor supplies can often be very useful. Also, I’m a sucker for a 300 comment thread fighting over the best caliber round: 9mm, 357 Magnum, .45 ACP, 10mm, etc. “Sure, with modern ballistic technology and powder, you can get impressive results from a 9mm, but one hit from a .45 ACP doesn’t just kill a man, it kills his soul too!”
(And I wish I was just making that up, though I’m pretty sure those types of comments are sarcasm – everyone knows you want 500 Smith&Wesson for a soul stealing shot!)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/69/1b/d0/691bd02d96617ede196b661384492499.jpg
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/1301/500-sw-magnum-guns-demotivational-posters-1357054911.jpg
(terrible trigger discipline on this one above..)
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ac/75/49/ac7549e4be1da92c8e4b062ca765a360.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.500_S%26W_Magnum
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: True.
Steeplejack
@Major Major Major Major:
Hey, I’m not complaining!
And the malware encryption probably doesn’t have to be that good. I spent 30-something years in and out of software development and consider myself a pretty good debugger/troubleshooter, and it was still almost dumb luck that I found the right tool.
it’s sort of like direct mail: if you cast your net wide enough, you don’t need a big percentage return to make money. And these dicks were demanding $350.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@Steeplejack:
Proper encryption generates a very large unique key every time it’s used. It would take more CPU cycles than the age of the universe to crack it. So it’s some simplistic encryption that creates a look-alike effect or it would be impossible to undo it. Probably good enough for garden variety extortion from unsophisticated users.
Mark B
@Steeplejack: It’s nice to know the good guys are good at math, and apparently the bad guys aren’t all that great at it.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: Excel? Numbers?
Adam L Silverman
@Peale: Not sure whether this deserves “bravo!” or “ugh!”.
Mark B
@Steeplejack: I honestly thought you were going to have to either reimage the computer or go back to a backup if one was available. A well done encryption attack could not be defeated without more effort than is reasonable for what’s on a normal personal computer. A very sophisticated one would be well nigh uncrackable.
Steeplejack
@ThresherK:
Answered here, and there’s also a link in my first comment above to the long version in this morning’s thread.
Villago Delenda Est
@gogol’s wife: Agreed. Eastwood is on the tumbrel manifest now. “Just get over it”. Bullshit. The lack of empathy is what evil is all about. and Eastwood is evil.
Patricia Kayden
In an opinion piece, Orthodox Rabbis condemn Trump. But at least he still has White Evangelicals and endorsements from nice folks like Franklin Graham and Jerry Fallwell, Jr.
http://www.cleveland.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/08/orthodox_rabbis_condemn_donald.html
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: I recall back about three years or so ago I was sitting in a Commander’s Update Briefing. The guy doing the security roundup started on about Anonymous and how dangerous they were in their recent ops, etc. When the Boss asked for questions, I asked the guy doing the briefing if he’d caught the news reporting two days before that they’d caught the primary hacker for Anonymous and that he was a 12 year old from Toronto who didn’t know he was actually hacking anything important, the Anonymous guys were promising to pay him in video games and so he was just coding… He said he had not. There were a number of muffled guffaws around the room.
https://mic.com/articles/70489/this-12-year-old-just-got-busted-for-hacking-for-anonymous#.9cPutfEwQ
redshirt
@Villago Delenda Est: Yeah, Eastwood’s descent makes me sad. I had the idea in the past he was quasi-liberal, but his recent actions have convinced me otherwise. I’ll no longer support anything he does.
Adam L Silverman
@Patricia Kayden: They’ll find one that will endorse him. Most likely one of the really ultra-devout ones that are in constant fights with not only non-Jewish Americans, but any Jews that don’t practice like they do. There’s obviously some congregation has to turn out Jews as hateful and ignorant of the traditions around Tikun Olam, while still being excessively devout, as Ben Shapiro and his dad.
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: Here’s how to do it with paper, a pen, and pocket change.
1. For each person you’ve deemed white and poor, write down their name and phone number, one on each line, and number them as you go, 1, 2, 3…
2. Find the middle of this list, or close to it.
3. Flip a coin. Heads pick the top half, tails pick the bottom.
4. With the half of the list you’ve picked, etc.
Repeat until you’re out of grant money, pay yourself $25,000 in consulting fees, and go home.
Adam L Silverman
@Patricia Kayden: Also, I fixed your link. It had embedded into the reply button.
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: I can do that!
Brachiator
@p.a.:
I’ve heard some surprisingly good things about the movie, and a number of critics have noted the comment on religion in the movie (the slash filmcast podcast, for example). The original trailer looked dumb, but I may actually go see this tomorrow.
redshirt
@debbie: Do you get my reference? If not, I hope someone does.
hilts
Giuliani is trying to outdouche Trump
Major Major Major Major
@Ultraviolet Thunder: There could be some sort of lookup table for this stuff that the decryption service uses.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: You’re getting actual content from these folks as well. But for those who just want to monitor pure right wing thought, Freep is a good site, since it’s all there in one place.
ThresherK
@Steeplejack: (Yeah, I shoulda read the answer first.)
Chris
@Amanda in the South Bay:
Yes, well. They’re conservatives. They’re incapable of seeing the world in anything other than tribal terms, and genuinely believe that everyone else does it too. And they also genuinely believe that liberals “play the race card” purely as a shield to protect wrongdoing blacks and gays and others by appealing to White Guilt. So they think that any time a person who’s not white, Christian, male, heterosexual and cisgendered does something for their side, they get to play that same totem and liberals will recoil and concede the point. Well, not really, but when we don’t, they get to go home to their blogs and write new blog posts exposing the hypocrisy of our worldview.
TL/DR: they’re conservatives.
Baud
@hilts: Ironically, he was supposed to be Hillary’s opponent when she ran for Senate, but had to drop out because he had prostrate cancer.
gogol's wife
@Amir Khalid:
Thanks! I really like the Lea Salonga video on YouTube, so I think I’ll go for that 10th anniversary one.
Steeplejack
@Mark B:
All true, but part of the troubleshooting process is figuring out what you’re actually dealing with rather than just working to your assumptions.
My brother’s initial message was a full-on John Cole all-caps “THURSTON GOD DAMN IT WE’RE ALL GOING TO DIE!” rant, so part of my triage went to getting him to breathe into a paper bag for a while and start answering my questions about what was actually happening. Eventually I was able to get enough information to narrow my search on Google—aided greatly by Juicers’ suggestions in the morning thread—and after a couple of failures we found a solution.
As I said above, these grifters aren’t interested in doing “good” work. They just want to slap something together that will get some percentage of the victims to cough up $350.
If it had turned out to be a sophisticated encryption attack, I probably would have told my brother, “Sorry about your lost files,” given him my prophylactic computing lecture and finished with “You still owe me a bottle of Scotch at Christmas.”
ETA: I have to say that, going in, my assumption was pretty close to yours, that the cause was hopeless and I would just be notarizing the death certificate.
Shalimar
@Adam L Silverman: She doesn’t do pay stubs. Perhaps I should find a competent boss to work for.
Brachiator
@Villago Delenda Est:
Interesting dilemma here. Eastwood’s upcoming movie, Sully, looks pretty interesting and stars Tom Hanks, known to be a good guy. Should Eastwood’s vile statements lead people to shun the film?
Similarly, Hacksaw Ridge, starring Andrew Garfield and directed by Mel Gibson, looks provocative. Can should Gibson’s outrageous statements and actions influence any decision on seeing the film?
Splitting Image
@redshirt:
I don’t know if Eastwood was ever “liberal”, but I think some of his earlier work suggests a person who is looking at and trying to come to terms with America’s history. Unforgiven, in particular, is squarely in this genre. More recently his attempts at public speaking suggest a person who has looked at his audience and come to terms with the fact that attacking people outside of it will not hurt his relationship with his audience one bit.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: An eternal question, isn’t it?
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
I answered your question about my brother’s switch from Trump to Johnson downstairs. (Link in previous sentence. Are they not showing up?)
Steeplejack
@hilts:
Hey, Rudy, here’s a fun one: go on line and Google “Giuliani in drag.”
Trigger warning, brain bleach, etc., etc.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
Oh, they found one.
Brachiator
@Bubblegum Tate:
In theory, there is nothing wrong with Trump’s message.
Apart from the fact that it is insincere, condescending,and delivered by a birther who happily associates with white supremacists.
Frankensteinbeck
You really should not dismiss the possibility that he’s addressing blacks, and other conservatives giving similar messages are honestly trying to win over blacks. As racists, they think blacks are childish and irresponsible and need to be led with tough love for their own good. This kind of condescending, offensive, insultingly framed shit seems to them like a message of kindness.
@Splitting Image:
Eastwood has a long reputation of treating minorities, especially blacks, well in Hollywood and giving them good roles. He is the perfect demonstration of the kind of racist who is totally respectful and fine with minorities as sidekicks, but freaks the fuck out the moment one becomes his boss.
debbie
@redshirt:
Only as it relates to Trump.
Steeplejack
@efgoldman:
I was very late to a very dead thread last night, but I hoped against hope that you would see this.
Frankensteinbeck
@efgoldman:
I would like a bunch of them to not want to risk being publicly shamed as racists, and thus stay home. It would affect congressional races.
Amir Khalid
@srv:
I’m sure you already know this, but an actor on a movie set, even if if he is the star, is usually just one of the hired help. He’s there to say the lines and do the action, that’s all. Eastwood wasn’t a writer or director or producer on the first Dirty Harry movie. He wasn’t and isn’t Dirty Harry in real life, either, just an entitled rich old man.
Baud
@Frankensteinbeck: Agree. But we don’t have much control over their GOTV.
Schlemazel
@Steeplejack:
So what did you do to unlock the encryption?
Woodrowfan
@dmsilev: and Malt Liquor in 40 oz cans! Maybe make a Trump Brand! (sheesh)
Joyce H
These last few days of Republican ‘African-American outreach’ has really been eye-opening for me. It’s NOT just Trump! When his surrogate Kingston was asked why Trump was making these appeals to black voters in front of all-white audiences in all-white suburbs, he said sarcastically that maybe Trump should have been speaking in front of a burning car. And then it hit me – Republicans, most of them, really do believe that all or almost all African-Americans live in the ghetto. And the level of obliviousness it would take to fail to notice the black folks living in their own neighborhoods, wearing suits to their middle-class jobs, is just flabbergasting. As for Trump, I know he lives in a Manhattan penthouse, but he does leave it sometimes – when he is being chauffeured around, doesn’t he ever look out the window?
Patricia Kayden
@Amir Khalid: The mainstream “liberal” media has already forged ahead with the Trump has pivoted meme so you’re right about that. Unfortunately.
henqiguai
@Ultraviolet Thunder(#46):
*Damn*, that’s brutal. I hesitate to ask where y’all all hang out or otherwise cruise around to find that, um, stuff.
Brachiator
@Steeplejack:
Thanks. I just read it.
Interesting. I keep seeing Johnson mentioned as the choice of “never Hillary” Republicans who can’t stand Trump, but I don’t see him moving up in the polls, gathering enough support to land him a debate spot.
On the other hand, maybe it says something hopeful that Trump is unacceptable to some conservatives, that they place something above blind party loyalty.
Steeplejack
@debbie:
Damn it, somehow I knew it was going to be that obnoxious prick Shmuley Boteach before I touched the link. I’ve hated him since he made the talk-show rounds with his stupid book about hot
Orthodoxkosher sex. Which I see he has now parlayed into a cottage industry.Patricia Kayden
@Joyce H: Did the Reporter push back against Kingston about that burning car reference? It seems as if Trump and his ilk just can’t disguise their anti-Black racism, can they?
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: I know Boteach. I’m not surprised. That guy would sell his own mother, deliver in 30 minutes or she’s $3 off, and then stiff you for the $3 after arriving in 40 minutes for the drop off.
Adam L Silverman
@Patricia Kayden: She did. As did Joy Ann Reid when he immediately decided to not answer the latter’s question when she had him on later the same day and instead immediately pivoted to Benghazi.
Patricia Kayden
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks.
Steeplejack
@Schlemazel:
Can no one see the hyperlink in my comment?!
Answered here (short) and here (long).
rikyrah
@Joyce H:
Yep.
Yep.
Patricia Kayden
@Adam L Silverman: Well, that’s good to hear.
philadelphialawyer
@Baud: Big Giuli didn’t have prostate cancer. He pretended to have it, as an excuse to drop out of the Senate race, because he knew he was going to lose to a girl. Within days of dropping out, he was running around the city as always, attending parades, hogging the spotlight, and generally acting like the Brownshirt Asshole he is. A year later, after his ridiculously poorly chosen “terror command” center (ie at the WTC, which had already been attacked by terrorists), was destroyed during 9/11, he, somehow, became a “hero” merely because, unlike Bush, he didn’t run away and hide. Then, he milked his status as “America’s Mayor” shamelessly, basically forcing his way onto every TV show and newscast for months (I remember him actually announcing minor changes to the bus schedules during his daily “updates!”). So much so that he tried to get Albany to change the City Charter and let him run for a third term, because our city, which has been around for three hundred years, apparently could not go on without this POS at the helm. And when that failed he tried again to get his term extended. He said, during the mayoral primary that people should only vote “if they wanted to,” the clear implication being that Mini Mussolini was going to remain as dictat…er mayor, no matter what the voters said. And then, when all that failed, he became Mr. Security Consultant, fleecing suckers nine ways to Sunday. And then ran for Prez too (although that was almost purely a grift too, and nothing else).
The point being, after putting his tail between his legs and claiming a doctor’s note excused him from losing to Hillary, we never, ever heard about his totally bullshit “cancer” diagnosis again. And it had no effect on his ambitions.
So, to review…Rudy Giuliani…a would be dictator who was afraid to lose a woman, and so he pretended to be sick.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: No, no links in either.
Schlemazel
@Steeplejack:
I didn’t see it in your original post but that could be my fault I don’t know
EDIT – NM, I thought the link went to your original post about the infection
glad it was that easy – the script kiddies have taken over a lot of the work & are easy to undo so I am glad you searched!
Steeplejack
@Brachiator:
As I said, I think Johnson is just a shorthand answer they can use to avoid admitting that Trump is a crazy buffoon. I don’t think my brother will even bother to vote, which is fine with me. (He lives in Nevada.)
Brachiator
@Joyce H:
Sadly, this is not just a blindness of Republicans. America is still a very segregated country, and ignorance is reinforced by all kinds of blindness, false assumption, and deliberate choice.
There is something not right about Trump. He mouths empty pieties about black folk, pretends to reach out to non-whites, and yet is careful to stay in a comfort zone in which he is surrounded by fawning white people. And he is very familiar with the bigotry fueled lunatic fringe of society.
Joel
@Brachiator: honestly, not really. I mean, Polanski is a depraved piece of shit who should be thrown in the box until he dies, but Chinatown is a brilliant movie. You have to separate the art from the artist or else you’ll have hardly any art to appreciate.
Baud
@philadelphialawyer: Haha. I hadn’t heard that it was faked.
I would love some reporter to ask him his battle with cancer, just to see if he remembers he was supposed to have had it.
Mike E
They are gonna selfie Simone Biles to death.
Adam L Silverman
@philadelphialawyer: And he actually did tuck tail and run on 9-11. Remember that picture of him standing and pointing at something behind the photographer? That was him pointing towards the WTC while repeatedly telling his people in a panic that they had to go that way to get to the command center because it would be the only place they’d be safe. They finally got him to understand that it was the WTC that was hit, the towers had both come down, and there was no secure command center. What you don’t see pictures of is him then speed walking in the other direction until they could get him in a car and take him someplace he felt safe. He’s a huge phony, but most fake tough guys are. If you head feinted towards him or Christie they’d cower.
philadelphialawyer
@Baud: Like Trump, who can’t remember which leg was supposedly too injured to allow him to go to Vietnam. Another fake tough guy hiding behind his doctor…
hovercraft
Hey white people in Mississippi, why do you keep voting for republicans? You are the poorest, least educated, highest divorcing, out of wedlock pregnancy, toothless, obese people in America, so what would you lose by voting for Hillary? Come on over to the dark side this once and I guarantee 95% of you will vote for her again in four years. Just try a little of the gay, it’s great, you’ll love it.
Schlemazel
@Brachiator:
I try really hard to ignore an artists personal bullshit and focus on their work. To do otherwise would cut me off from far too many artists works. I admit assholes like Gibson make it hard to do, but then again I have not been all that impressed with most of his work. Polanski’s stuff, meh. I don’t know what would happen if I found out someone who’s work I really like was an inflamed asshoel
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
In my comment at #20 “the ransomware problem from this morning” is definitely a hyperlink, although since goddamn Tommy fucked up the industry-standard hyperlink color scheme in last fall’s “upgrade” the color is almost imperceptibly different from that of plain text.
And in my comment at #127, “here (short)” and “here (long)” are both hyperlinks.
Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]
@Peale: Um… as having had a previous job with some really unethical employers (Regularly late paychecks by 2-3 months, plus the “eternal contractor” dodge with promise of being hired full time some day), this raises ALL sorts of alarm bells with me….
First, no documentation. How does she know that she is actually getting paid at the rate agreed? Second, and even more worryingly, Was how it sounded like he got angry and aggressive. “things got really dicey” as you said. Although I don’t know any of the details beyond you have said, I’d bet even money he’s stealing money from her, and, Trump-like, knows he can brow-beat her into taking what he gives her.
I’d tell her run as fast as you can once you have an exit strategy, it’s not worth it. (She may have to leave money on the table, it’s one way people like that try to keep you from leaving). It could be my personal issues, but it REALLY stinks to me.
I’d tell her run as fast as you can once you have an exit strategy.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: The one in 20 and 127 are there. The hyperlinks in 127 take me to comments with no hyperlinks or naked links. They do take me, within in one or two comments, to comments of yours without hyperlinks or naked links. It was to this I was referring.
Immanentize
“What do you have to lose?”
The right to vote?
The right to be in charge of my reproductive rights?
The right to have my rapist prosecuted?
The right not to be prosecuted for being in town after dark?
The right to marry the person I love?
The right to get a job on merit?
The right to a graduate education or law school?
The right to go to the same diner or hotel or bathroom as white people?
The right to reasonable schools for my children?
The right to own property?
The right not to be owned as property?
Just some things I’m throwing out there.
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
Yes, what I remember about Giuliani on 9/11 was him wandering around on foot with his entourage, all of them covered in dust and completely clueless about what was actually happening.
Baud
@efgoldman: Turnout is important for the Senate too, which is district irrelevant.
Adam L Silverman
@Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]: While we wait for Peale to reply, I’m pretty sure his response to mine was sarcasm. Sword swallower, cutting, and dicey were the give aways.
Peale
@philadelphialawyer: yes. I completely forgot that he pretended to have cancer. Maybe he did at some time (he’s been out of office a long time now). When he goes on about Hillary’s health, some reporter should ask him if he could advise her on treatment, since he recovered so quickly. Or invite him to be on a panel of cancer survivors.
Chris
@Joyce H:
Basically.
I think, in addition to this, they are vaguely aware that, yes, some black people are middle class – some are even wealthy! – and not literally all black people live in the ghetto and burn cars. But they assume that that tiny minority of black people are the same black people who vote Republican (all five or three percent of them), and therefore, they’re The Good Ones, the few who made it out of the ghetto by embracing conservative values, and therefore, they won’t really mind if we use this kind of language.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: That’s what that picture is from. The news article on it seems to have disappeared down the memory hole, but the iconic shot of him pointing was, in truth, what I described. Him frantically trying to tell his people we need to go to the only safe place in the city, the command center.
Steeplejack
@Adam L Silverman:
As intended.
My cri de coeur was about multiple people asking me about the solution when the link in #20 is a link to the solution.
But I see from Schlemazel’s comment that apparently people thought the link in #20 goes to the original comment about the problem. Mea maxima fucking culpa.
Peale
@Adam L Silverman: yeah. I’ll pack up my fingers and go home now.
Schlemazel
@Steeplejack:
I accidentally found the cure for that hyperlink issue. Post the comment without any hyperlink, it will be accepted. Then edit the comment and put the naked URL into the comment and it will be accepted just fine.
Adam L Silverman
@Steeplejack: Okay. I think I’m tracking.
Hkedi [Kang T. Q.]
@Adam L Silverman: It very well could be. This site gives your troll-detection and sarcasm skills a continuous workout.
Immanentize
@efgoldman: Full product line of designer sheets with strategic cut outs?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
OT, but the Closing Ceremony is great. The projections are amazing, and the cauldron is next level beautiful.
Anyone missing this celebration of the lace making culture will be sorry.
Schlemazel
@Steeplejack:
Kosher sex? that would exclude whip cream as you can’t mix dairy and meat? I am not purifying my genitalia with fire so that is right out!
Schlemazel
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
I find it annoying that the commentators insist on talking over some of the performers, that singer for instance. And the sound quality of the performances is sub par, NBC can do better, they do when it is the F’ing Stuporbowl and some washed up rock act.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: Are you saying he honestly didn’t remember he’d put the command centers in the Trade Center?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Schlemazel:
They’ve been annoying the whole Olympics. I don’t know if it’s the rain there tonight, but the sound could definitely be better. They are providing some context from a script they’ve been given which is somewhat helpful – Brazil culture is fascinating.
Adam L Silverman
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: As in “I need to activate the home security system, make sure the anti-personnel systems are loaded, and retreat to the fortified command center” sorry? Or just “I wish I’d have seen that” sorry?
Baud
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: Given all the stories leading up to it, Brazil did a nice job.
Adam L Silverman
@Schlemazel: I think if you just don’t use it for a year, that works too! I seem to remember my mom doing that with silverware we mixed up back during the “we’re keeping kosher (at home) experiment” when I was growing up.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Kosher sex is no sex for a year? I’d rather sacrifice my first born son.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Adam L Silverman:
I’m not going to hurt you, but you’ll still be sorry.
Adam L Silverman
@Miss Bianca: No, he remembered. He was so scared by what happened, that he got tunnel vision. His panic response was get to the command center, its the only safe place in New York! His aides kept telling him over and over that it had been destroyed, because he was so freaked out, it took a while for him to process what his aides were telling him.
Baud
I kind of like the rain — it adds something to the closing ceremony.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Is there a video of all that? I was never a Rudy hagiographer, but your description of him is worse than my memory.
Steeplejack
@efgoldman:
As a goy I am not qualified to answer. Nor do I want to.
Immanentize
@Baud: Isnt that the story of Trumpelstiltskin?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Baud:
They really did – exciting, colorful, memorable. The marathon course was bizarre though I have to say – too many sharp turns. It looked like it was designed to show the audience some points of interest instead of competition. Other than that, the venues were all really interesting.
Back to remembering slavery again. Really interesting segment.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: No. One of the ways to kosher an implement is to not use if for a year. Another is, if its metal, to heat it up until the pores in the metal open (I don’t even think metal has pores, but that’s the idea). Another way is to toivel it. Toiveling is to immerse something in living (flowing) water. It all depends on what the item is made of. The only way to return a human to a state of ritual purity is to recite certain prayers and immerse oneself in a mikvah, which is a ritual bath where the water is flowing (living).
redshirt
@Peale: I’ve got a possible Giulani expose source that could destroy him: A gay man who let Giulani sleep on his couch for a few days after his wife kicked him out of the house. They knew each other because of Rudolph’s earlier cross dressing.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: There was a news article written up about it. Where they interviewed the photographer about what was happening in that shot. I read it at the time it was published – a few weeks or so after 9-11 as Rudy was turning himself into America’s Mayor and the hero of NY and 9-11. I have not been able to find an online copy when I’ve tried looking for it and I do not recall which publication it appeared in.
Steeplejack
@Schlemazel:
I don’t want to put in naked hyperlinks. I want my nicely clad, informative hyperlinks to be discernible as hyperlinks.
They look fine in the mobile version of the site. It’s only in the desktop version that they suck (almost imperceptible) donkey balls.
Schlemazel
@Baud:
How about just the tip of your dick? Would you sacrifice that?
@Adam L Silverman:
Because of my upbringing I learned just enough to be dangerous about a couple dozen cultures. I was always fascinated by the intellectual way the Jewish community dealt with problems. They had strict rules (like 2 sets of dishes) but when problems arose they thought of ways to get through it without burning the house down. As a kid I admired that, as an adult it blows me away because it is so rare in religious communities. It can’t be easy to remain true to a faith in a world that is not of that faith (let alone one openly hostile to it). I wish more priests and ministers were ‘rabbis’, more brain, less id.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Too bad there’s no video. Everyone knows reporters are lying liberals.
@Schlemazel: Not for God.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: That’s almost sad. *Almost*. Then I remember what a preening bullyboy swaggerer and genuine bag o’ dicks he is as a human being, and then I just find it disturbingly hilarious.
Schlemazel
@Adam L Silverman:
There was a family near us that built a ritual place and once a year took their cook pots & pans out in the yard and built a fire to purify them. I never saw it but heard all about it.
Mike E
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: The Gorgeous Games!
Baud
The Olympic anthem sucks.
Schlemazel
@Baud:
I remember a cartoon I saw back in the 70s
Moses is on a mountain top looking up, “Let me get this straight. You want us to cut the ends of our dicks off?”
I always see that as the start of my looking at religion with a bit of wry humor. Many OT rules make no sense if you make them out alone.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: That was one of his former aides who was a close friend. There’s no scandal there. Actually the fact that he’s not homophobic is a good thing.
Adam L Silverman
@Schlemazel: Honestly, depends on the rabbi. Some get lost in the leaves and never see the trees, let alone the forest.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Brachiator:
Sullivan seems to be a genuine professional, competent, level-headed expert. The first ad for the movie that I saw made it look interesting, but the second (where it’s clear that is life was profoundly changed and not always in a good way) makes it seem compelling.
We only see about one movie a year, so it’s not really an issue, but I would wait until it’s on TV before seeing it. There are lots of great directors out there – we don’t need to support ones who are cranks.
Cheers,
Scott.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Not in our liberal reality, but in the wingnutosphere it should be scandalous.
But of course, IOKIYAAR.
JosieJ (not Josie)
@Brachiator:
Because he’s a fvcking coward. If he stood in front of a black audience and spouted that sh!t, he might get booed! His fragile ego couldn’t take that!
hilts
@philadelphialawyer:
It always annoyed me that so many talking heads slobbered all over Giuliani after 9/11 and proclaimed him “America’s mayor”. The guy is a prick and he’s sounding dumber and more desperate with each passing day.
Miss Bianca
@efgoldman: eh? what broadcast? you’ve got the wrong gal, I swear…
geg6
@Brachiator:
Fuck Clint. And fuck anyone who I want to DIAF, like Clint or Tom Cruise. I refuse to spend a penny to enable their evil.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: No. Men can also use the mikvah and, if they need to be in a ritually pure state, they would have to do so. Of course most of the things men need to be in a ritually pure state for involve ritual and sacrificial temple practices, which can’t be done because there isn’t one.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
Not seeing their films works for me. I boycott stores that I feel screw their workers, why should I pay my hard earned money to support asshole actors? It is the only way to deal reasonably with them. Boycott. Some will ask what about the other actors and crew in the movie and my answer is, sorry, you want to cavort with assholes, don’t expect me to pay for it. You can’t make a better world by supporting those whose goal is to ruin it.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
This projection system is insane, and the Tokyo segment is so creative. Abe as Super Mario was clever as hell. Well played, Rio. Well played.
Schlemazel
@Adam L Silverman:
I guess St. Paul had enlightened ones. They impressed me as very practical and reasonable guys. THe stories have heard that is not that unusual but I suppose YMMV
redshirt
@Ruckus: I feel the same. Thus, I never go to Walmart or Home Depot;
any place else I should avoid?
Steeplejack
@Baud:
All I can find is some footage of him later in the day, after he has gotten some valid information (and cleaned himself up a bit, I swear, but maybe I’m remembering wrong). But he’s still basically walking the streets and doing a superfluous PSA—“Evacuate lower Manhattan!” no shit!—instead of “managing” the crisis, whatever that would mean in such a once-in-a-lifetime catastrophe.
This (critical) mini-doc has a snippet of footage from earlier in the day. But it doesn’t really illustrate what Adam and I remember.
Adam L Silverman
@Schlemazel: Some of the ultra-devout can be close minded.
Baud
@Steeplejack: Thanks.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
Isn’t mikvah a milk bath?
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Steeplejack: You can put bold in your links to make them more prominent. Not that I think it will help – FYWP has ways to annoy us. ;-)
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who thinks this will work, but don’t blame me if it doesn’t…)
Schlemazel
@Adam L Silverman:
Color me unsurprised! Every religion has some number of adherents and leaders who assume they ARE God. I have heard stories of some in NYC but the rabbis I have met or heard of have all impressed me as decent folks.
rikyrah
@gogol’s wife:
The 10th Anniversary Concert :Absolutely fabulous??
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: No. It is a pool of circulating water.
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/why-immerse-in-the-mikveh/
debbie
@Adam L Silverman: h
My ex-sister-in-law’s mikvah was milk. Must be a Midwestern thing.
Adam L Silverman
@Schlemazel: Glad that you’ve had pleasant interactions.
Adam L Silverman
@debbie: Its definitely not a Jewish thing. I’ve checked all the authoritative sites. The water has to be still, with a certain percentage of it from a natural, flowing (living) source.
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
Well, being a goy white bread over-educated hillbilly, I had no idea what “Tikun Olam” meant. So I Googled it, and found that there were a lot of varying definitions of the term, ranging from ending idolatry and non-monotheistic worship, to providing medicinal cannabis in Israel.
Wow! The things I learn here!!
NWliving
@Steeplejack: Can see them fine with Firefox on Win7.
Steeplejack
@NWliving:
Firefox and Win10 here. It may be an artifact of which theme/skin is being used, but I think mine is pretty generic, if not outright default.
J R in WV
Links are a bright blue for me, Firefox on Ubuntu 14.04, and purple after use. Not hard to see on this laptop, but the newer one wife is using right now they are a little harder to see.
Doug R
Polls show AA and Hispanics are MORE optimistic than whites. So HOW is the Drumpster’s strategy winning again?
Barb2
@redshirt:
Hobby Lobby!
Lurking Canadian
@Schlemazel: Moses: Well, the good news is I talked him down to ten.
Joshua: And the bad news?
Moses: Adultery is still in there.
Denali
I can separate the art from the art except for the case of Woody Allen.