Exclusive: Billionaire Seth Klarman slams @realDonaldTrump, will help @HillaryClinton https://t.co/5lAY7RqWSJ #Elections2016 #ClintonKaine
— Lawrence Delevingne (@ldelevingne) August 3, 2016
Nothing personal, Donny. It’s just — let’s be honest — you couldn’t keep up with us. Not to mention that you’re poison on the markets…
Prolonged recession https://t.co/LmZClo5Spa pic.twitter.com/JlRgCXjp6B
— Farhad Manjoo (@fmanjoo) July 30, 2016
All Donald has ever wanted is a little respect, his place in the spotlight, the chance to bask as a BMOC. This whole “I’ll run for President, *then* you’ll see, you’ll finally have to acknowledge me as one of your own” scheme just isn’t working out like it always did in his fantasies…
JUST IN: World's 4th richest person, Warren Buffett, challenges Trump to release his taxes. "I'm under audit too." pic.twitter.com/L9BgMOYuw2
— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) August 1, 2016
… At a rally in Omaha on Monday, the business icon praised Hillary Clinton for her policies and condemned Donald Trump for refusing to release his tax returns. Buffett invoked Trump’s record of bankruptcies and the failure of his only public company, Trump Hotels and Casino Resorts, which listed on the New York Stock Exchange in 1995. “In 1995, when he offered this company, if a monkey had thrown a dart at the stock page, the monkey would have made on average 150 percent,” Buffet said. “But the people that believed in him, that listened to his siren song, came away losing well over 90 cents on the dollar.”
All the "cool kids" (as @realDonaldTrump defines them, those with more money & power) won't let him sit with them. https://t.co/gpA3JluHbA
— Al Giordano (@AlGiordano) August 1, 2016
Oprah Endorses Hillary Clinton, Joining A Growing List Of Billionaires Backing The Democratic Candidate – Forbes https://t.co/0duPzbXD6v
— Amy (@flwrpwr1969) August 2, 2016
So, in his usual reasoned tones, Deadbeat Donald explains that he DOESNT” WANT UR LUZER GRAPES WHICH ARE SOUR BELIEVE ME —
On Fox Business, Trump responds to Warren Buffett: "Well, I don't care much about Warren Buffett." pic.twitter.com/ezQRvl9eOg
— Sopan Deb (@SopanDeb) August 2, 2016
Trump Tues: "I’ve never met Warren Buffet. I don’t really care what he says"
In his book Think Like A Billionaire: pic.twitter.com/i9cqL7qqUq
— andrew kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) August 3, 2016
HE COULDA BEEN A CONTENDA!!! (except that Trump’s highest aspiration was to be the next Johnny Friendly).
Such an empty little man, and he still can’t even muster enough gelt to raise his throne to Level Bigly.
Mnemosyne
What a lot of people don’t realize about narcissists is that there’s a huge, gaping maw at the center of their being that must be constantly refilled with attention. They don’t have a strong sense of themselves, so they have to constantly have their “greatness” reflected back at them by other people. If they don’t get it for any reason, look out.
Villago Delenda Est
The big money boys want nothing at all to do with the short fingered vulgarian, a man whose word is NOT his bond by any stretch of the imagination. These guys already have problems with trust with the 99%. They don’t need to go nuclear in destroying it even without the launch codes.
Mike J
Am I supposed to take one drop out of my wine glass for each bad thing that happens to Trump?
piratedan
RIP David Huddleston… soon to be enshrined in the character Actor Hall of Fame (if there was such a thing, he should be a part of it). Favorite role, as the Mayor of Rock Ridge in Blazing Saddles
how anybody kept a straight face in that flick long enough for a take is beyond me.
ruemara
It has been delicious, watching the moneyed class say out loud what anyone with an ounce of savvy has known for years about the living swill sack.
amk
Pity that the millionaires and billionaires are for self survival while the deadbeat donnie’s fans are willingly sacrificing their lives for this racist pos.
Mary G
Elizabeth Warren said billionaires and Wall Street prefer Hillary because “nuclear war is bad for business.” She has a great ability to get under his skin. I can’t copy the link because my hands are booked with this tablet, but it was an interview with Bloomberg business.
kdaug
Late to the party (by days, coding crap), but that pic of Cole?
Fun fact: when he was down here, a cabbie with a heavy (Morracan?) accent kept going on about how he thought John and I were brothers.
For the record, I would like to state that I am much thinner and more handsome than Cole. (John may lie but he can’t deny.) I may have a year on him, but you’d be hard-pressed to think we were related. And no, my picture quadrennial isn’t up.
(To be fair, the cabbie’s back was to us, and he meant by the way we talked to each other, but still.)
sigaba
@Mnemosyne:
If Donald Trump really listened to himself what do you suppose he would be in to? Macrame? Dance?
sigaba
@piratedan: LEBOWSKI!
? Martin
@sigaba: Perpetual masturbation.
Kay
@Mnemosyne:
Shalimar
@Kay: Thank God Trump was already 70 when he discovered his true calling in life: leading a directionless mob filled with inchoate rage.
Manyakitty
@Mike J: ma nish tana ha laila hazeh mikol ha lalos? (The first of the Four Questions) Why is this night different from all other nights?
Then again, everything about that guy is a plague, so you might as well dump out the whole bottle.
opiejeanne
@Kay: He’s announced a tour of the west coast in late August, calling Washington a battleground state; he’s campaigning in Seattle. I can’t stop laughing. He or someone in his party thinks he’ll pick up all of the Bernie or Bust holdouts, and have only looked at the caucus percentages, not the “beauty contest” primary held a month later. Even if the caucus numbers were perfectly correct, I doubt he’d pick up many of the Bernie supporters.
There is some chatter that he’s only coming here to find some money for his campaign. Seems to be a problem getting funding or something.
Cermet
Many of tRump’s supporters are, of course, racist; and almost all are very low information types (duh) but one issue that we should never overlook is that white, male non-college educated are, in fact, suffering in the new economy. Yes, their own fault in believing that the US could hold manufacturing levels that existed in the 50-60’s thanks to WW II destroying much of the worlds industry. Just a matter of time for the balance to return and stress these people. We need to address the growing inequality not just in money but education opportunities in rural areas – especially Appalachia and the deep South. Better teachers (better pay for better educated ones), real and diverse AP courses/choices and mandatory offering, starting second language training in elementary (and offering these through HS) and by this, generate some positive feelings that their world can improve for their children in the future. This would both make them feel less left out, get the next generation out of the hopeless poverty, and make us a far stronger country with less division.
Manyakitty
@Cermet: No question about it. This is why blaming the “others” works so well with those voters.
magurakurin
@Cermet: average income of Trump voter is $72,000.
Barb2
@opiejeanne:
He would do better in Spokane. Not that he would listen to a mere woman. Seattle is very liberal. Eastern Washington is where the conservatives are hiding.
Bernie’s nuts only did well in the caucuses – not the primary with real votes. I’ve not seen a single Bernie bumper sticker for months. Only the Trump hates Hillary bumper stikers. On cars driven by old dough boys.
My guess is that Trump will stick to the pockets of Republican voters to stoke his ego. He will want to repeat the feel good high of the primary crowds. He doesn’t have a message for mainstream voters. He really does seem to feed on hate.
Will he try to rent one of the sports stadiums. Could he fill it? Doubtful.
Trump is about Trump and feeding his ego.
Me – Singing to the choir.
NotMax
Is there method behind the madness? Namely to suck up as much media coverage oxygen as possible, each day if possible, leaving scant time and space for HRC headlines.
Could be, but lean more to there being nothing but madness behind the madness.
Barb2
@NotMax:
He seems to be emotionally reactive – little or no planning. Does anyone believe he has a room full of data specialist, looking at polls, deciding on his next move? He reminds me of a chicken with it’s head cut off, running around. I saw that happen when I was 6. Not a pretty sight.
low-tech cyclist
I liked the bit yesterday where people waving pocket Constitutions at a Trump rally were booed and escorted from the hall.
John Cole’s right: all the good stuff is ours now. Including the freakin’ Constitution of the United States!
I swear, this has to be the ultimate example of the GOP’s “we’re against whatever the Dems are for, updated daily” approach to politics.
Kay
@opiejeanne:
It’s fascinating to watch because it seems to me there’s a kind of split in Trumpworld. There ARE some political pros in the organization but they are shouted down (I believe) by Trump and his family. The Trumps believe Trump is “expanding the map” and so everyone has to pretend that’s happening.
You have to remember they have NO IDEA what they’re doing. I get the sense none of them even followed politics closely until Trump decided to become a birther.
I think Manafort doesn’t give a shit. He’ll work for anyone. As long as he’s getting paid he’ll show up every day and say whatever is necessary to remain employed for another week.
When I was in high school I worked at a truck stop. I really liked my boss, but he lived in a fantasy world. The place was failing as a restaurant but he couldn’t adjust to that reality and actually do anything realistic to save it. He would have ideas like “tables outside for families”- no “family” in their right mind was going near that dump. I was working when they cut the power off for nonpayment. That’s what it took for him to admit he was in trouble.
Baud
This is great. Raise my taxes, please. But for the love of God, say no to Trump.
Baud
@NotMax:
Nope. Only madness behind the method.
opiejeanne
@Barb2: Doughboys, from WWI? Driving around Eastern Washington? They’d be at least 116 years old. What a sight that would be.
J/k, I’m sure you mean WWII vets & VFW members, because they’re only in their 70s and up.
Ben Cisco
@Cermet:
These are excellent ideas. I can, however, vouch for the fact that that bit (at least in North Carolina) has been rather effectively negated by this bit
.How do you get these folks to quit doing jumping jacks on their own junk?
Kay
@opiejeanne:
And Pence knows, I think, because he’s a pro. He was in western Michigan where they should be doing fine. He’s not “expanding the map”- he’s going to places where they should already be solid.
I’m curious what will happen here in September. This is a heavily R area and local Republicans ramp up after Labor Day. We go to the same events they do, so I’ll be able to compare from prior years. Trump lost badly here- it’s Kasich Country- they’re that kind of Republican.
Baud
@Cermet:
If only we had some Common Core of education ideas that wingnuts would never reject out of hand.
Amir Khalid
@Kay:
Trump has an excellent mind, so he says, good enough that he doesn’t need expert advice. So I don’t know if he has employed many subject-matter experts in his campaign. If I were one, I’d certainly hesitate to work for any boss who felt no real need to listen to me.
rikyrah
@Kay:
He has outsourced GOTV to the Republican party.
opiejeanne
@Kay: Yes, it has become very apparent that Trump is used to getting his own way, every time. He must be surrounded by Yes-men, and he is so very easily goaded into temper tantrums that I suspect his parents rarely said “no” to him.
What’s really astonishing is the people who have followed him down his rabbit hole, and who have not really looked around at where they are heading. I know a guy on Facebook who complained a couple of days ago about something I posted, a collection of tweets by him and other people quoting him, and at the bottom was one by Hillary. He whined that the “bad ones” by Trump were conveniently missing dates so it was difficult to determine if they were real or very old. I went and found every one of them for him, and then he changed his complaint that he thought that the media was cherry-picking the worst bits of his speeches. I told him that no, there was so little substance in his speeches and that the same phrases were repeated over and over so much that what he was seeing was what was there. I told him that the speeches and interviews are all available online, and that I had either listened to them or read transcripts, and that yes, the very bad things that were being reported were very much the meat of his speeches.
I don’t think he’s an enthusiastic Trump voter, I think he’s a very reluctant conservative who has tried to not notice just how bad this candidate is. He’ll probably vote for Gary Johnson in the end, disgusted with the whole process, which is fine with me because he won’t be voting for the Donald..
Kay
Is Trump even doing better than any random Republican with high school or less voters? Obama polled the same way against McCain with them- down by 5.
Are they just excluding all nonwhite people when they insist he’s wildly popular with “high school or less” voters?
Gvg
Improving education through high school does not do a thing for the ones who have already graduated. While they care about their children, it won’t really help them to be underpaid and under employed the whole rest of their lives and won’t make them happy to theoretically be supported by their children eventually.
Make plans to help them. Saying it helps them to improve traditional grades of education is insultingly missing the point. I don’t have good ideas so I am just another critic myself too. And job training programs have a long history of being near useless so be careful of proposing this. Even if we do it, don’t campaign on it IMO.
Baud
NYT has an article about releasing tax returns, although they make a feeble attempt at “both sides.”.
Schlemazel
Trump as a youngster: “SOME DAY I’LL BE PRESIDENT OF THE US, THEN YOU’LL BE SORRY!”
the US: “Yes we would be very sorry!”
I made that joke about boy blunder & it works just as well today
Gvg
@opiejeanne: by doughboys, I thought she meant pasty white somewhat overweight unfit guys. …and I need to lose some weight myself.
Baud
@Schlemazel: you were right about boy blunder.
Kay
@Amir Khalid:
I don’t think he’s ordinary “smart” let alone particularly smart. A lot of the stupid shit he blurts out is a result of laziness and slowness. He’s too lazy to prepare and he’s too slow to get by without preparing. As I tell my children “we’re not smart enough to wing it- you have to work” :)
I saw that his supporters in the professional political class yesterday were reassuring people. They say he will hire more pros.
opiejeanne
@Gvg: Oh, hadn’t considered that. Doughboys does refer specifically to WWI vets, so maybe she should have said doughy-boys which is to the point and amusingly insulting.
Baud
And at the other end from the billionaires, Bernie’s oped in the LA Times supporting Hillary.
trnc
I was surprised at how long it took for this tweet to get the response “Where are your tax returns?”
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/761386080272875520
Kay
@Gvg:
Apprenticeships really do work, as long as they don’t turn into just another publicly-funded profit subsidy. It needs to be GENUINELY private/public. The private entity has to put up a big enough investment that it hurts if the program fails. They just vary so much. The Labor Dept funded a series in Cleveland and some were great but some were pure public subsidy for cheap labor. The prospective apprentice would have to be pretty savvy and do quite a bit of research to find a good deal.
rikyrah
No Morning open thread?
Oh well.
Good Morning ?, Everyone ?
?BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay:
The questions then become, when and will he listen to them.
Baud
@?BillinGlendaleCA: His problem is, the
more professional he behaves, the more boring he becomes.
trnc
It just keeps getting better. Since the Iran money plane turned out to be non-existent, now he’s claiming the plane he saw was the hostage plane. How good of a businessman can he be if he can’t tell the difference between cash and hostages?
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/761511930238496772
Cermet
@magurakurin: Averages are not realistic information; a few millionaires and the number is skewed. The majority are white, non-college educated. The $72 K number does not change that in any way. Issues of education reform in the poorer areas of this country matter, a great deal.
Cermet
@Ben Cisco: I am trying to save their next generation, not them directly but I do like your analogy.
Kay
@?BillinGlendaleCA:
People act like Trump’s belief that he knows everything about anything is unusual, but I don’t think it is. A lot of people dismiss areas of expertise and believe they can do things they aren’t remotely qualified to do. I hear it constantly- how this or that job is “easy” and “any idiot” could do it. Trump is just tapping into a belief a lot of people have. It’s particularly true of conservatives and public service jobs. It’s standard among conservatives to insist all public employees are dumb and over-paid and “anyone” could do those jobs. Trump is just taking that to the next level.
Cermet
@Gvg: Agree that jobs training doesn’t offer much; especially for non-college or worse, those who never finished high school. What my point is and this is critical, is that these areas continue to fall behind in educating the next generation. As a result, their children (and so on) can’t compete and have no chance and this continues the cycle that leads to making more racist, hopeless people. These are really vast areas that have significant populations and have been allowed to decay for generations – that isn’t far, and it hurts our country and opens the door for dangerous people like tRump. But for self interest, the more educated the people in these areas become, the more likely they make good decisions, are more productive, and frankly, make us stronger as a country.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@Ben Cisco: The problem in NC is more complicated than you seem to be saying. It’s not as simple as educated people in NC are also racist. The problem is that Art Pope and his bought and paid for Republican legislature has gerrymandered the fuck out of the state. If you look at election returns in the state, Democrats have typically won the popular vote, but redistricting negates that advantage. Yes, the rural areas are deeply red and highly conservative, socially intolerant, and educationally disadvantaged. Most of the major population centers aren’t like that. The key to solving the problem here is better Party organization, and getting out the vote in 2020. All the off year elections, really.
Amir Khalid
@Kay:
You know that, and I know that, but it seems nobody’s ever dared tell Donald that.
Ben Cisco
@Cermet: Your strategy (damn, I had to force myself not to type “strategery” just now) has merit, but the only way you could sell it is to exclude all the “others” from it. At this point, I’m not even sure THAT would work. It angers me b/c I can’t come up with a solution.
El Caganer
@Kay: Kinky Friedman ran for governor of Texas under the banner of “How Hard Can It Be?”
Keith G
@Cermet: We have generations of myth making to undo. Economically speaking, the American society was born on third base, but feels it got there by hitting a solid single then got the extra bases through plucky base running and force of will. Despite past successes (some real, some imagined), the current version of American capitalism (post war version) is not adequate to deal with the needs of a globalized post-industrialized reality.
Early in most US high school economics textbooks is a chart labeled “the circular flow of money in a market economy“. Looks simple, but that’s not the way things work now days when the factor markets includes foreign lands to the extent they now do.
Unlike some above, I do not put a lot of blame on the now disenfranchised, formally laboring, classes. They are still instinctively led to have a bit of belief in the world that the elites describe. And no one who wants to hold significant political leadership in this country can speak the truth – assuming that they understand it and I think that many do.
The Democrats are better about this, but still they are telling soothing tales of future achievements that at best are problematic. So when real conditions do not live up to a reinforced expectation, there is conflict.
Ben Cisco
@Comrade Scrutinizer: I did forget to mention Pope and his puppets – apologies for that. OTOH, there’s a reason they were so eager to engage in the actions they took…
ETA: Midterms are key – what do you do to increase turnout? It would never occur to me to skip one, but obviously there are many who would, and do. What do you say to them?
rikyrah
@Kay:
I look at that and automatically think White people.
They lump non-Whites all together, regardless of education level.
Ceci n'est pas mon nym
@opiejeanne: 1945 was 71 years ago. If you were over 18 then, you’d be over 89 now. /pedant
Barb2
@opiejeanne:
The dough boys in rural Washington – look like refugees from industrial bread mixing machines. They drive older model US cars with Trump hates Hillary bumper stickers.
These cars and drivers seem to be unique to this area. The really old cars are commom because less salt is used on the roads and we have some ancient cars compared to the East Coast’s lower life expectancy for cars. (This is what expat East Coast born tell me.)
Bead dough boys label needs to move to the 21st century. That Trump look, combined with the pig like face.
Not all robust men have the bread dough look. The good heart shines through, because they don’t watch 24/7 Fox “news”? I”m thinking constantly listening to Fox news shapes the body as well as the mind.
Shalimar
@Comrade Scrutinizer: Off-year elections are important and Democrats do need to get better at turnout in non-Presidential years. Luckily though, every other Census year is also a Presidential year too. 2020 should be a much better turnout year for Democrats than 2010 was, so it isn’t that long before deeply gerrymandered districts can be reversed.
Betsy
@Cermet: the populations in those areas are overwhelmingly from a cultural background that rejects education. Self-betterment is against their particular brand of Calvinist self-hating. They also suffer from a culture of spartanism and proud enjoyment of deprivation, hatred of common efforts outside of Church affiliations, and proud ignorance. They will not welcome or respond to more education as a way out of their dead-end. Wealth, for them, comes from digging treasure up, cutting trees down, or stealing other people’s labor — not increasing the value of their own. Trust me, I know.
Betsy
@Barb2: you mean the Northeast Coast. Everywhere south of Delaware, the cars last pretty long too. That’s three-quarters or more of the East Coast.
Scott P.
That’s why you take the median and not the average. And the median is $72,000.
jake the antisoshul soshulist
So, Donald Trump is Jay Gatsby without the personal charm and moral character?
Enhanced Voting Techniques
I would certainly lose my job and become unemployable with Trump’s plan. US manufacturing is just to dependent on off shoring for a trade war to be anything but the death of it.
Enhanced Voting Techniques
@Kay:
The man is truly an idiot. He doesn’t get it’s not about him but policy.
FlyingToaster
@Barb2:
He doesn’t believe in them. Which has certainly contributed to his string of bankruptcies.
Weirdly enough, Romney et.al. actually tried to get a data infrastructure for the GOP, and failed miserably. They assumed they could throw money at (I don’t remember, IBM? Honeywell? Rand? someone like that) and a big company would do it all for them. Alas, corporations outsource this shit themselves — they can crunch numbers, but they know dick-all about data gathering and weighting and targeting your message(s).
The Republican Party has basically played “Air War” for the past 30 years, and counted on their unholy alliance with Fundagelical Christianity to give them foot soldiers. Unfortunately, that demographic has aged, and their kids simply don’t agree with the older base on race, LGBTQ, and at least some of them on women/family/society. They still agree about guns, but that drops you from a guaranteed 45% of likely voters to 37%. Which is where Trump is polling right now.
Trump seems to believe that the GOP should have all of the data stuff, and the ads, and all he’s going to do is go around and get publicity. So he’s not just “not a quant”, but he’s unwilling to put in the study as to “why does American Politics work this way.”
1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)
@Manyakitty: It was from Trump Winery anyway.
opiejeanne
@Ceci n’est pas mon nym: Thank you, I posted that when I was half-asleep and couldn’t get the math right in my head. VFW would include the Korean War which would put the ages still in the 80s, but the Vietnam War would put them in their 60s, which totally skips age 70s.
I blame the drugs.
opiejeanne
@1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet): That was a fun little read.
Luthe
You had an economics textbook in high school? O.o The only econ we were ever taught came from a mish-mosh of things learned in math and social studies.