SATSQ: Conservative wonk edition

Via Vox, an answer to stupid or evil:

This revisionism, according to Roy, points to a much bigger conservative delusion: They cannot admit that their party’s voters are motivated far more by white identity politics than by conservative ideals.

“Conservative intellectuals, and conservative politicians, have been in kind of a bubble,” Roy says. “We’ve had this view that the voters were with us on conservatism — philosophical, economic conservatism. In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”

No fucking shit.

At least it updates our priors to weight willfully blind if not stupid.

Open thread

132 replies
  1. 1
    Fair Economist says:

    The people who started the Southern Strategy knew better. The Nixon and Reagan dogwhistles are far too artful to be ignorant. Maybe some of the people who grew up with the Southern Strategy don’t realize what’s going on. A lot of the Tea Partiers in Congress seem to actually believe the dogwhistles.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    What exactly did Roy think the Fox News Channel was, an endless Book TV on Burke and Hayek?

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    Karen S. says:

    Modern (since the 1960s) conservatism has always been about white nationalism. I could see this as a black girl growing up in a predominantly white, predominantly Republican Chicago suburb in the 1970s and 1980s. But then, I couldn’t afford delusions.

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    Elizabelle says:

    NY Times: Gail Collins and Arthur Brooks (of the American Enterprise Institute): sometimes it’s illuminating to go back and look at what caused you to stop reading an article, full stop.

    It was Brooks, inserting this:

    So far, the theme of the Democratic Convention seems to be a triple dose of identity politics. Will that do the trick?

    Identity politics. It’s always projection with these weasels. They put on a GOP convention that was overwhelmingly white, had a LOT of empty seats, and it’s the Democrats that are all about identity politics.

    And then, Gail Collins takes the bait:

    Gail: She’s got to tell people that this is a great country capable of being even greater. I believe a wide majority of Americans are O.K. with immigrants, haven’t felt a crime crisis in their own lives and have a more or less balanced view of the police situation. But if they perceive this as a race between Hillary-protects-minorities and Trump-will-put-whites-back-in-charge, we’re all sunk.

    So I guess that’s what I’ll be looking for in Philadelphia. A vision of a melting pot in which nobody gets boiled away. To make a terrible metaphor.

    Arthur: That’s so … visceral.

    Column ending up with, from Collins and her crystal ball:

    If there had been a normal Republican, Hillary would have been challenged to show us a whole new Democratic path that would lift the working class, create an efficient, relatively low-cost safety net for everyone, and bridge the current racial and ethnic tensions with a sensible, all-American vision of the future.

    Not sure all that will happen if she only needs to be a Not Crazy Trump. But hoping. How about you?

    That is really disappointing, out of Collins’ mouth.

    The derision for Hillary Clinton and her perceived (by them) lack of capabilities astounds me. I expected better of Gail Collins, but maybe it’s just this column (and the intoxicating nearness of Mr. A. Brooks).

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    satby says:

    They knew, they’ve always known. They just thought their “voters” were in on the gag that the white racism was supposed to be on the downlow.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    Pardon me if I don’t give Mr. Roy a round of applause. He is a supposed “academic/intellectual” who has been lying through his teeth about the ACA and Social Security for years. He is trying to give a thin veneer of respectability to the right wing’s ongoing efforts to rob the poor/working/middle classes for the enrichment of the already rich.

    Enjoy your ugly party Mr. Roy. You fit right in.

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    Kenneth Kohl says:

    Oh, yeah, now they come clean because they have a dickwad for a nominee. As Fair Economist, Karen S and satby mention, this has been an ongoing “thing” for them for quite some time.

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    Jeff says:

    Oh FFS, the GOP has the House for the next decade and still has the Senate. Plus, a large amount of governors and state reps. Trump is closing in on Clinton.

    Clinton is a sh1tty candidate that (so far!) has not made any waves on BIG, POSITIVE reasons why I or anyone else should vote for her. Her problem is that she’s been in her own bubble for way too long, and also that she’s likely running out of energy for this stupid sh!t. Who wouldn’t? I’m not blaming her. She’s been going through this stuff for 25+ years and it’s gotta be tiring. I would not be strong enough to have put up with the garbage she has had to deal with.

    Like Cole, I will crawl over broken glass to vote for Clinton this fall. But I am not all that sure that the Dems won’t screw the pooch this time. Too many unforced errors. DWS should have been sent home Sunday night, for instance. I mean what on Earth did her appearance add, even if there had been no email leak? No one cares about her except political wonks. Want to know what people care about? TV footage of some woman getting booed at the DNC. The email “scandal” I happen to think is nonsense, but it was sloppy work to start with, and predictably, her opponents made hay from it.

    I just want to wake up in December. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays.

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    Rugosa says:

    Whenever I see the phrase “conservative intellectual” I remember the quote from John Kenneth Galbraith: The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

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    Cacti says:

    Golf clap for Avik Roy on realizing that he’s been a useful idiot for the white supremacist party.

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    Roy, YOUR center is white nationalism. You just want it framed as responsibility so your beautiful mind can believe it’s Democrats who are the real racists.

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    MattF says:

    @NorthLeft12: It’s certainly true that Roy should have known better– but that said, his tale of self-deception and how it came apart is pretty interesting, IMO.

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    Face says:

    I read that title as “Conservative Wank Edition”

    Likely more accurate my way.

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    @Elizabelle:

    If there had been a normal Republican…

    There are no normal Republicans left. They are all blinded by fealty to a Reagen-esque Cult of White Pride where Tax Cuts Are Mandatory, Our Enemas Are Destroying America From Within, and We Aren’t Buying Enough Ann Coulter Books.

    There is nothing left to salvage of the Republican Party, even though it will continue to exist like an eternally evoked ghost of John C Calhoun.

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    ET says:

    I have never heard a conservative of any strip admit that the GOP was the inheritor of the Dixicrats – people and politics. They like to talk about being the party of Lincoln and elide over that post Goldwater change in the party.

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    JPL says:

    OT The littlest freedom girl, dad is suing the Trump campaign. Grifters gotta grift… link
    She has now been taken off the Trump’s future wife list..

    Sorry if this has been mentioned before..

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    In other news, water is wet, the sun is very hot, gravity sucks, and we all die.

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    Peoples. I already knew this a year ago.

    Driftglass has been screaming about this for a decade now.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    From TPM, Reports: Clinton camp in talks for Sanders to formally nominate Clinton. Strictly symbolic, but I look forward to seeing HA Goodman choke on this in his next video.

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    MattF says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016: Which is why liberals should not be pining for the return of the Reagan Democrats. They’re gone, baby, gone.

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    negative 1 says:

    @Cacti: Eh, he’s been using them too; it gets the GOP votes so the finance sector can steal social security, public education, public services — the scam works in 2 directions. After all, do you think your average stormfront reader really gives 2 sh!ts about charter schools?

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    negative 1 says:

    @Amir Khalid: Uh oh, internet outage in 3, 2, 1…

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Elizabelle:

    an efficient, relatively low-cost safety net for everyone

    Where Collins goes wrong here is that you really can’t do this kind of thing on the cheap.

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    MattF says:

    @JPL: Saw that. “Those bad things libtards say about Trump– they’re all true.”

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    Dork says:

    Who the hell is Roy? Patrick or Mr. Horn?

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    MattF says:

    @Dork: Avik Roy, noted conservative wonk-wannabe. Particularly in heath care. Contributed policies to various “Repeal and replace” proposals, all to no avail.

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    catclub says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016: and it will probably take another decade to come to some conclusion.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @JPL: Trump stiffed a vendor? Holy cow, when has that ever happened?

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    Richard Mayhew says:

    @Dork: a conservative health policy wanker

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    @Elizabelle: If white is right mantra of the Republican party is not identity politics, then what is?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    When a person of colour like Avik Roy has the scales fall from his eyes, and he realises he’s been a dupe all along for white racism, one should rejoice that he is finally woke (did I say that right?).

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    catclub says:

    @JPL: Hard to have sympathy for an idiot who does not learn. He (their father) needs to realize that his only terms should be cash up front.

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    Bill says:

    “We’ve had this view that the voters were with us on conservatism — philosophical, economic conservatism. In reality, the gravitational center of the Republican Party is white nationalism.”

    They knew damn well racism was at the core of the “conservative movement.” They – all of them – from William F. Buckley on down to Ted Nugget embraced it. They want it. It’s who they are.

    Fuck this revisionist “who could’ve known conservatives were racist” shit. At least own who you are.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    My guess is “conservatism” will be replaced with “libertarianism” eventually, retaining the “Republican Party” brand or not, I do not know. But we’ll all be long gone before that happens. They might be dead party walking, but they’ve got a lot of statehouses locked up and will continue to have a huge national constituency that will be okay with the white supremacy framework for years to come, either because they agree with it outright or because IGMFY.

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    JPL says:

    @MattF: The first time that I saw the performance, I though the parents
    should be investigated for child abuse.

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    catclub says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    he is finally woke (did I say that right?).

    not quite: He has finally woken up. or He is finally awake.

    They say there are harder languages than English, but I don’t know any of them.

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    Mike J says:

    @JPL: He appears to know as much about the music biz as he does about politics.

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    bemused says:

    I’m pretty tired of these “intellectual” republicans still pretending they don’t understand what happened to the GOP. They’ve been banishing other Republicans from the clan for years such David Frum and Bruce Bartlett for being too truthful.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Amir Khalid: one should rejoice that he finally awakened.

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    Cacti says:

    OT:

    Another proud moment in law enforcement/minority relations.

    Dr. Dre detained and cuffed outside his Los Angeles home, when driveby racist calls 911 to complain of a black man with a gun (actually a cell phone).

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    @bemused: Intellectual and Republican do not belong in the same sentence.

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    Cacti says:

    @Bill:

    They knew damn well racism was at the core of the “conservative movement.” They – all of them – from William F. Buckley on down to Ted Nugget embraced it. They want it. It’s who they are.

    No kidding.

    William F. Buckley was racist as shit, and early editions of National Review contain his explicit defenses of southern segregation laws.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Amir Khalid: One could also say he is finally awake.

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    Barbara says:

    @Elizabelle: You have to understand that in his world, as in that of many people, identity politics simply means having more than a certain percentage of non-white people appearing on stage, which no one would ever even think of doing unless they were pandering, because, basically, everyone knows that such people do not deserve to be their based on their own merits. White is normal and white people are presumed to be competent, so by definition, you are not engaging in identity politics when you pander to white people.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @catclub:
    @OzarkHillbilly:
    There’s a thing now in American English: using “woke”, the simple past tense of “wake”, as an adjective. I was trying it out here.

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    bemused says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Right, hence the quote marks. Media seems to describe Republicans like Roy as the “intellectual” wing. Not sure what else to call that group, establishment or maybe grand old poobahs.

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    I had never heard of this person before, so I googled his name and what do I find? Another Indian American conservative water carrier. Calling him Gungadin would be apt. Idiot. At least, Kipling’s Gungadin had no choice. What is this guy’s excuse.

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    Barbara says:

    @Linnaeus: You can do it a helluva lot cheaper than we do with our fragmented and exorbitantly expensive health care system.

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes, and in that context, you used it correctly.

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    rikyrah says:

    It’s all about the Whiteness…

    they can lie to themselves if they want to…

    but, phuck.outta.here.

    You point out that Trump’s ‘economic policies’ won’t benefit anyone but Ferret Head and his cronies, and they will shrug.

    they only care that Ferret Head is politically incorrect, and will put ‘ THOSE PEOPLE’ in their place.

    Riddle me this…am I wrong….

    Did previous GOP Conventions actually let the White Supremacist/White Power Groups get credentials ON THE GODDAMN CONVENTION FLOOR?

    Just askin’.

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    @Barbara: It’s like saying a gay judge has biases because he’s gay, while a straight one doesn’t because that’s an unmarked status.

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    MattF says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Identifying with the imperial power?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Amir Khalid: Hmmm, not sure but I think I have always heard “woke” used as a past tense verb, as in “I was having a really bad dream but then I woke up.” Would not surprise me tho. Americans butcher the English language daily. I know I do.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    There’s a thing now in American English: using “woke”, the simple past tense of “wake”, as an adjective.

    Well, so is “redpilled”, but I don’t recommend using it.

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Barbara:

    I was speaking about social welfare as a whole, but yes, there are cheaper ways to do health care coverage than we do now.

    But doing these things is going to require a stronger public commitment in terms of funds and other resources. In American political discourse, “low-cost” usually means lower taxes and less public spending.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Amir Khalid: Yes, “woke” meaning something like “enlightened.” But I think it’s limited to progressive/social justice contexts.

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    @Amir Khalid:

    From TPM, Reports: Clinton camp in talks for Sanders to formally nominate Clinton. Strictly symbolic, but I look forward to seeing HA Goodman choke on this in his next video.

    I think HA HA has moved on to worshiping Jill Stein now.

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    MattF says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: A sort of ethical null hypothesis. Doesn’t require explanation or modeling.

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    tsquared2001 says:

    @NorthLeft12: @Amir Khalid: And you used it perfectly.

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    @MattF: Indeed. Kipling’s Gungadin was poor, he had no choice. Avik Roy on the other hand did with his degrees from MIT and Yale.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: You definitely don’t want to know about the phrase “woke bae,” then.

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    @MattF:

    Reagan Democrats were just social conservatives who got to the point where they didn’t care about liberal economic issues that much.

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    father pussbucket says:

    Democratic “identity politics”: pointing out to Hispanics, gays, “urbans”, etc. that we consider them actual Americans.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Linnaeus:

    one should rejoice that he is finally woke

    But what noun is woke as an adjective modifying? (my grammatical rules are rusty, but I don’t see it) In that sentence structure, I see Amir using ‘woke’ as a noun, being the state Roy is in?

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    negative 1 says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: pretty sure he’s using the slang of the kids these days, but I’m not that young, either.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016:
    But HaHa keeps saying in every single video that he still loves and respects and admires Bernie. In fact, HaHa insists in one of those videos that Bernie’s Democratic convention speech was really telling everyone to vote for Jill Stein; and he’s only doing that because it’s what Bernie wants.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Amir Khalid: I can’t figure out your obsession with this non-entity.

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    Punchy says:

    @Chyron HR: I hesitate to inquire….but redpilled? Can you throw me a bone?

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    MattF says:

    @Amir Khalid: I guess there’s a sort of morbid fascination with quantifying precisely how irrational HA has become.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Just an adjective: it’s a new way to say “enlightened.”

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    @Punchy: Matrix reference, is my guess.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Gin & Tonic:
    I am easily amused by trivial things.
    ETA: Plus, he looks so cute when he rolls those big round eyes in that chubby ickle face.

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    Brendancalling says:

    @Amir Khalid: i’d like to see HAHAHAHA Goodman choke, period.

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    Linnaeus says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    What FlipYrWhig said. It’s saying that “he is aware” or “he is awakened (to a particular circumstance)”. It has its origins in black activist slang.

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    father pussbucket says:

    @JPL:

    The first time that I saw the performance, I though the parents
    should be investigated for child abuse.

    This. I hope he causes Trump some headaches, but fuck him.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @negative 1: Could be. Other than my sons, the only youngsters I hang out with these days are in their 40’s (I realized this much to my horror a couple weeks back when a buddy celebrated his 42nd, I first met him when he was 18, and even tho I know I am no longer 34 yo, I still think of him as 18)

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    negative 1 says:

    @rikyrah: Do you consider William Buckley to be a White Supremacist? I do. I’m pretty sure he considered himself to be one.

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    Gemina13 says:

    Policy Wanker Realizes He Will Always Be Water-Carrying Dupe in GOP’s Eyes Due To Being Brown While Conservative.

    ::sad trombone::

    This Road to Damascus moment brought to you by the terrified white elephants on the Right.

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    les says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016:

    Reagan Democrats were just social conservatives who got to the point where they didn’t care about liberal economic issues that much.

    Reagan Dems were just racist assholes who felt betrayed by the Civil Rights Act and blamed Dems for it.

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    sherparick says:

    @Fair Economist: We have Lee Atwater’s testimony that at the creation of merger between the Modern Republican Party and the Conservative Movement, it was “evil” not stupid. https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

    Now a generation of policy apparatchiks like Avrik may have come of age during the 80s, 90s, and Oughts believing the Kool-aid of “Free Market” and “Limited Government” Ideas. But the politicians always knew that “Muslim,” Immigrants, etc, was just another way of saying “n-word, n-word, and n-word.” https://www.thenation.com/article/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/

    As for why this has found such fertile ground, well, for much of the country things have gotten much worse the last 15 years. http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/re.....s-counties

    Also, the NY Times Upshot and the polls show why this will be such a tight election. Trump is getting the white male, non-college educated share in overwhelming numbers, 69% to 20% in on one poll. For these people, Trump is there way of getting even with both the elite and the Other. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07.....ctionfront

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    lamh35 says:

    yes know what, I’m not at all an HRC fan. But I think it’s interesting that folks have this view of HRC that they don’t have of BillC… tell me how she has higher negative than he does…folks who weren’t even around when the GOP blitzed HRC have this view of her, yet serious question how many young people REALLY have any idea of HRC beyond what they heard growing up?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: In that sentence, “woke” modifies “he.”

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @satby: four (or more) decades of neglecting education will do that to an electorate.

    Has anyone done any sosh research on whether advanced degrees swing graduates left or right depending on what advanced degree is sought? Once one gets past secondary education, what SLANT one wants to learn is as selectable as what MATERIAL one wants to learn.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Whenever I see Stuart Stevens brought on to lament the Coming of the Trump, I keep waiting for someone to mention the way way Romney et all cozied up to him precisely because he was a birther. Still waiting…

    and isn’t Stevens the one who put together an ad so racist it freaked out the other Romeny Poobahs? He couldn’t figure out the problem and other Republicans had to explain it to him and kill it? I’ve googled but the terms are too vague

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @FlipYrWhig: OK,

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    JBF says:

    @Punchy: It comes from the Matrix movie. The Red Pill or the Blue pill. Red is reality and blue is illusion.

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    gvg says:

    Aside from racism, I am not certain what other people thought republican conservatism was. I knew some of them thought it was religous. I have a cousin who is religion identity centered. She also sends me annoying racist stuff since Obama was elected which I finally got her to stop. The anti abortion lies started way back. she is notably anti science which I attribute to the fact she was not good in school, especially in science and resented it.
    another cousin is upset at Trump. I had not even realized she considered herself conservative. I am going to have to ask her what she thinks it is because she has quite a few friends who are POC going back to childhood and I just don’t get it. I think it might be her father’s influence. His thing is gun rights…..but he is a Vietnam vet who voted Obama and may have voted Kerry even though I think he hadn’t voted Democrat in decades but he saw the parallels. It sort of surprises me how weird the paths people think of. Habit may be part of it. I can remember when I thought the important difference was that the Democrats were better on environmental issues and tended to be better for teachers. Republicans weren’t being as blatant on the racism then and the video proof wasn’t happening yet.
    I have seen for a long time that the GOP was in a dead in trap but I thought they would figure some way out. The trap is they have made nice promises to be better on race before and then reneged so especially blacks correctly don’t trust them. When the demographic end of the line happens, they can see they need to change but if they do, they will lose some voters, as the Democrats did when we changed from racism to supporting civil rights. The catch is they have to promise, lose voters, carry out the promise for awhile anyway in order to gain trust, and then the blacks may consider their other policies and some may vote for them. At the same time, there is no reason for the democrats to not remain the same so why would the blacks change? I am specifically saying black not all minority because that particular group has been double crossed more than others, and until recently I was expecting some other minorities to actually “become considered white” like say Italians and Irish in the past. Now the GOP has gone hate them all on all groups, but not to long ago they weren’t.
    The only way out is if something else was going on that was damaging the Democrats like say our economic preferred policies were screwing everybody or we had started a dumb bloody war we had no purpose for and wouldn’t get out. A secondary problem for them is their economic policies are actually bad for the economy.
    Parties have died before. Another one will happen. I am really sick of this one.
    Libertarians are just as infected by racism as the GOP so they won’t be a help.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Linnaeus: Thanx.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Barbara: Some excellent whitesplaining. Well done.

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    @lamh35: Saint Bernie had been echoing Republican critique of HRC for a year. That’s where his base got it from, I think.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @MattF: Yes, I read his story, but its difficult to feel the tiniest smidgen of sympathy for someone who is completely okay with a party that basically discriminates against the poor and disadvantaged to the point where their health and well being is threatened, and then be outraged when that same party then targets non-whites and non-Christians. Shocking.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Betty Cracker: yeah, got it now, still feels awkward on my tongue. Thanx.

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    Tim C. says:

    The article makes me think of the scene in Band of Brothers where the US soldier starts yelling at a defeated German army, “What did you *THINK* would happen?!?!?!”

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    Timurid says:

    Without racial/ethnic/religious nationalism (“social conservatism”) there is no Republican party.
    Building a true mass movement around fiscal conservatism is impossible at this point.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Amir Khalid: yeah, that would be sweet to see – for a lot of reasons. To me that would pretty much signal Bernie Sanders’s willingness to be fully on board with the Dems. Which I guess would mean I’d have to completely take back all the nasty things I’ve said and thought about him, but hey…admission of my own fallibility is a (relatively) small price to pay for party unity! : )

    @lamh35: Da fug??!

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    cmorenc says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    They might be dead party walking, but they’ve got a lot of statehouses locked up and will continue to have a huge national constituency that will be okay with the white supremacy framework for years to come, either because they agree with it outright or because IGMFY.

    For years, the IGMFU Republicans were the “establishment” who viewed themselves as not-racists – the evidence needed to convince themselves being that the did willingly accept like-minded POC such as Avik Roy (or Denish d’Souza or Clarence Thomas) among their ranks. The most prominent contemporary example is in the original Confederate state, South Carolina, which has Nikki Haley (governor) and Tim Scott (US Senator) -both elected by quite comfortable margins. The problem of course is that beginning with Nixon’s 1968 campaign, the GOP decided to cater just-enough to white racial resentment to incorporate enough of them as useful idiots to create the numbers needed for the long-term winning coalition needed to begin restructuring government more to their ideological aims. And so they did with evangelicals on cultural issues, even while being social libertarians themselves. Mr. Roy’s awakening amounts to a realization that the inmates have taken over the asylum, and the traditional establishment has been forced to seek shelter from the angry crowds they had formally been able to placate and control. They are like a wildcat-tamer act where the big cats have turned on their tamers, without benefit of any backup able to kill or tranquilize the angry cats.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016: There are “normal” Republicans left. I met some a few years back, and they are as outraged and depressed over the state of their party as any. However, that should not give them a free pass when they line up to drop their vote(s) for the full slate of candidates.

    The one couple I met did not come out and say it, but they strongly indicated that they could not vote for Gov. Brownback and were astonished that he was re-elected. I sincerely doubt this couple would ever vote for Donald Trump.

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    gogol's wife says:

    I’m sorry, “ferret head” is offensive. Ferrets have beautiful, smooth, soft fur.

    I’m going with Comrade Trumpsky (h/t Baud).

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @gvg:

    It sort of surprises me how weird the paths people think of. Habit may be part of it.

    My parents were more or less socially liberal Eisenhower Republicans. It took W to break that habit.

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    @gogol’s wife: I think we should just call him Mr. Trump. All these nicknames sound too cutesy for the American Nazi.

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    Punchy says:

    @JBF: Shit, do I have to see The Matrix to decode a BJ interjection now?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    How Michelle Obama wrote Donald Trump out of the American narrative

    This was the rhetorical audacity of her speech: to turn around the attacks made on her and, 20 years ago, on the Clintons, and to turn them against Republicans.

    Her critics caricatured her in 2008 as angry, unpatriotic, outside the mainstream — and she told Democrats that America was “the greatest country on Earth” and deserves “a leader who is worthy of that truth.”

    Twenty years ago, Republicans attacked Bill Clinton by saying that character matters in presidents — and Obama argued that, yes, it does, and that Hillary Clinton is the one who has it.

    This is partly just some very good rhetoric. Obama’s speech was packed with the kind of lines that dare anyone, no matter their political beliefs, not to applaud — paeans to police officers and parents, an affirmation of racial progress, an almost total absence of policy.

    But it’s also striking how those universal applause lines, the reminders of unity rather than divisiveness that made Barack Obama’s 2004 speech so successful, were remarkably few and far between at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

    Obama was able to fight on this ground in part because Trump abdicated it. She could argue for American greatness because his slogan is “Make America Great Again.” And she was able to put herself in the center because the Republican Party gave her a nominee she could show to be on the fringes.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    I think the only real response to Roy is the classic, “No shit, Sherlock!” The yutz. I mean, seriously?

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    Cacti says:

    @Barbara:

    White is normal and white people are presumed to be competent, so by definition, you are not engaging in identity politics when you pander to white people.

    This, this, this.

    The normative cultural condition in this country is presumed to be straight, white, male.

    Therefore, the members of the above group assume (falsely) that they are not speaking from a white racial, male gendered, or heterosexual perspective. They believe they are speaking from a broad, objective perspective. Pointing out that their perspective is no more objective than anyone else’s can elicit a response ranging from uncomfortable, to angry, to outright violent.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: He didn’t want a ‘real’ job, though. He wanted an easy job where he lies for a lot of bucks.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @catclub: Yes, I am hoping the long term outcome out of this election [at the least] is that all Trump related purchases/contracts will be cash up front required.

    I would have absolutely zero sympathy for any “business person” who dealt with Trump in the future and got partially stiffed on the transaction. Too much information is out there about his dealings and theft.

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    jonas says:

    “Why do all these white supremacists keep voting for my party?” (h/t: this)

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    jonas says:

    @NorthLeft12: Forget where I saw it the other day, but some marketing firm recently found that the Trump “brand” has completely tanked with anyone who doesn’t drive around with a confederate flag decal on their truck. Who would want to admit they live in one of his buildings or golf at one of his courses?

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Punchy: Nah. It is a fun movie, though.

    The hero is offered a choice between a red pill and a blue pill. Take the blue, he stays in fantasyland. Take the red, he wakes up to reality.

    It’s been co-opted by Men’s Rights Activists. If you’ve redpilled, you’ve “awakened” to the “truth” of their femi-nazi conspiracy theories.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Shorter Avik Roy: I looked at who was signing my paychecks, but never asked where the money was coming from.

    That’s the story of the “wonkish” side of wingnut welfare.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    From the Vox link:

    I’ve read dozens of conservative intellectuals writing compellingly about non-racist conservative ideals. Writers like Andrew Sullivan

    Andrew Sullivan promoted the Bell Curve theory which is nothing but White Supremacy dressed up as science. I’m not sure he qualifies as a “non-racist conservative”.

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    @negative 1:
    Actually, yes. There is nothing the white power movement hates more or screamed about louder during desegregation than their children attending schools with black people. They HATE public education.

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    @Patricia Kayden: Andrew Sullivan is a Tory twit, without coolies and wogs to civilize there is no rationale for the Empire, that most Tories worship as the greatest thing evah.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Elizabelle: The funny thing is, Brooks is (unintentionally) right: Dems are all about identity politics. Just not racial identity (or any other narrow kind of identity). It’s about a broad, sweeping sense of American identity – who we are as a whole people. Our ideals. Our honest history. Our march towards progress.

    What was it last night…”when we are indivisible, we are invincible”? Spot-on

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    Bob2 says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Beauchamp is a former intern/editor from Sullivan’s old site. Of course he’s going to say that.

    Also as everyone has pointed out Avik Roy has been completely intellectual dishonest during ACA debates for the past bunch of years anyway.

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    @Patricia Kayden: Andrew Sullivan is a Tory twit, without coolies and wogs to civilize there is no rationale for the Empire, most Tories worship as the greatest thing evah.

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    Calouste says:

    @Miss Bianca: Sanders is still a fraud who presented himself as the only honest person in D.C. while refusing to release his tax returns. His endorsement doesn’t change that.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016: Nice article – I posted it to FB – altho’. of course, the people I wish would read it (ie, my Republican male relatives), won’t.

    @Calouste: Oh, thank Goodess, you mean I only have to feel *somewhat* warm and fuzzy about him? //

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: That was one of the major reasons the racist former Democrats in the South abandoned the party. There would be social gatherings around the party (Jefferson/Jackson Day & all that) & if the blacks could attend these things as well, well then miscegenation was just around the corner, dontchakno.

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    catclub says:

    @Cacti:

    The normative cultural condition in this country is presumed to be straight, white, male.

    Sarah Palin is more qualified to be President than Donald Trump. But rich, white and male goes a long way.

    Jon Huntsman got the extra credit for being rich treatment.

    George W Bush got the born to the aristocracy treatment.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Gemina13:

    Policy Wanker Realizes He Will Always Be Water-Carrying Dupe in GOP’s Eyes Due To Being Brown While Conservative.

    ::sad trombone::

    BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

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    EthylEster says:

    Could you explain the meaning of this sentence?

    At least it updates our priors to weight willfully blind if not stupid.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Punchy: IIRC this translates as Unplugged from The Machine, scales-fallen-from-eyes grade awakening. Popularized by The Matrix.

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    Soylent Green says:

    some marketing firm recently found that the Trump “brand” has completely tanked

    But he may go on to make a new fortune with the new Trump Network, speaking fees, book sales, etc. catering to the haters as their standard bearer.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    Speaking as someone who grew up in a household of conservative ideals, one of the main motivators for leaving the GOTea and considering (if not entirely embracing) progressive politics was the sum of a) the appropriation of conservative language by conservatists to suit their policy goals and b) the glee with which racist sexist anti-Otherist bigots embraced that appropriation. Conservatism has a place in political discourse: using conservative language to mask hate speech or oppressive policy does not. My folks were late to that realisation, but they seemed to getting at the end. It’s clear that many VSPs are still unable to admit that the Southern Strategy and other elements of the new GOTea doublespeak are deliberate – and aimed at the very people who flocked to Trump.

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    Barbara says:

    @Cacti: The ultimate example of this are people who think addressing gender status and equality is “pandering” to “special interests.” Women make up a majority of voters. How can their welfare be considered a “special” (as in “narrow”) interest? And yet people talk like this all the time without acknowledging that their own interest group cohort might be much, much narrower.

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    gwangung says:

    @lamh35:

    I’m not at all an HRC fan. But I think it’s interesting that folks have this view of HRC that they don’t have of BillC… tell me how she has higher negative than he does…folks who weren’t even around when the GOP blitzed HRC have this view of her, yet serious question how many young people REALLY have any idea of HRC beyond what they heard growing up?

    Yeah, I find that fascinating, particularly there are indications that Hillary is the more liberal of the two.

    At worst, the VERY worst, you’ll have a replay of the Clinton admin–the administrative end was very good, decent economics, progress on social issues. That’s not something to fear from the left side of things.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Punchy:

    It’s a metaphor for becoming aware of the conspiracy women are committed to as they avoid men who are players, attempting to use a manual of tactics to woo women, as pick-up artists. The red pill is what you need to swallow in order to become aware of the female conspiracy to refuse to provide sexual relief to these guys, who don’t actually like women, but desire their favor none-the-less.

    Gamer Gate is related to the pick-up artist culture somehow as well.

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    jonas says:

    I’m surprised the article didn’t also discuss the white supremacy infusing the other pillar of the modern GOP, namely fundamentalist/evangelical Christians. The Religious Right as a political movement was really born when the IRS revoked Bob Jones University’s tax-exempt status over its segregationist policies.

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