We've heard from racists, Islamophobes, antisemites & misogynists – but now homophobes finally have a place in the campaign. #TrumpPence
— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) July 15, 2016
Hope nobody laughs off the choice of the truly horrible Mike Pence, who would be President in the final 3 years of Trump's first term.
— Mark Harris (@MarkHarrisNYC) July 15, 2016
There are two wings in the modern Republican party: the “I Got Mine, Fvck You” (‘business’) clan, represented this presidential year by Donald Trump; and the “We Hate All the Same People You Hate” (‘religious’) group, now ably seconded by Mike Pence. Of course the overlap between the two is large — the main difference between Trump’s career and Pence’s is that when Pence threw other peoples’ money around, he was to some degree subject to the wrath of his victims, the voters. (Despite his best efforts to keep them from hearing about it.) He’s also, per Think Progress, a longtime shill for the tobacco industry. Truly the Swiss army knife of RWNJs!
Trump: Who should be my VP?
Advisors: Well, Mike Pence is a walking elephant shart in a suit.
Trump: GET HIM ON THE PHONE
— Moltz (@Moltz) July 15, 2016
From Jezebel‘s political sub-blog The Slot, “Get to Know Mike Pence and All of the Very Bad Legislation He’s Signed”:
… Pence is a bit of a darling among anti-choice groups. As a member of Congress, Pence sponsored a 2007 bill to defund Planned Parenthood, the first of its kind, the legislation set off a now nearly decade old congressional battle to defund the organization. Pence reintroduced the legislation multiple times until he left the House in 2011. “Let the abortion providers provide for themselves,” Pence told Politico in 2007. “I’d like to continue to be a persistent, respectful voice for the sanctity of life.”
It was a template and an indicator of how he would treat women’s health as governor of Indiana. As governor, Pence signed virtually every anti-choice bill that was put on his desk, including HB 1337, an omnibus abortion bill that a federal court blocked from taking effect in June of this year.
Pence described the law “a comprehensive pro-life measure that affirms the value of all human life.” In reality, it is a deeply invasive law lacking both empathy and reason (unsurprising, perhaps, from the state that jailed Purvi Patel). HB 1337 bans women from seeking abortions based on race, gender or fetal anomaly; it also mandates that women be required to bury or cremate the fetus post-termination. In addition, it required that abortion doctors have admitting privileges in order to practice, a restriction that the Supreme Court recently struck down in Whole Woman’s Health vs. Hellerstedt…
In 2015, Pence also signed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA). The controversial law prohibits the passage of state laws that “substantially burden” the religious beliefs of individuals. According to the Associated Press, the definition of an “individual” originally included churches and religious institutions, as well as businesses and other entities (RIP Memories Pizza who played themselves all the way to closing).
The law and its passage were a mess. LGBTQ activists argued that the bill would effectively allow business owners to discriminate and deny customers service if they were LGBTQ (or merely if the owner of the business perceived them to be). After numerous companies and organizations, including Angie’s List and the NCAA, announced that they would boycott the state, the Indiana legislature amended the bill, clarifying that it could not be used to discriminate against LGTBQ people.
Pence handled the passage of the bill poorly. He acknowledged that the bill was discriminatory, yet signed it anyway and, in the process, lost quite a bit of cash for Indiana businesses…
Mike Pence's battle against Planned Parenthood caused an HIV outbreak in Indiana. https://t.co/SNGq4JcENN
— Cameron Esposito (@cameronesposito) July 15, 2016
Every sentence of this op-ed is better than the first: https://t.co/IZiZrxWiZf pic.twitter.com/fpSfh2RxaC
— andrew kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) July 17, 2016
Inbox: @SpeakerRyan praises Pence pick pic.twitter.com/6ljQvAizmo
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) July 15, 2016
Meanwhile, the folks at @FDRLST flat out call Pence a fraud: https://t.co/uY9GB0sjcs (pro free trade incl TPP, pro immigration reform, etc)
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) July 15, 2016
Mike Pence is a good man. He will add value to the ticket.
— Jeb Bush (@JebBush) July 16, 2016
Mike Pence is a vicious anti-gay bigot but he’s never publicly humiliated Jeb, so he’s a “good man” https://t.co/Gd9NOZGXte
— Jamison Foser (@jamisonfoser) July 16, 2016
Mike Pence: For people who thought Romney was a little too "street," a little too "gangsta."
— TBogg (@tbogg) July 14, 2016
SiubhanDuinne
TBogg, awesome as usual.
SiubhanDuinne
You know, I foolishly (very foolishly!) thought that the combined PBS-NPR convention coverage would be a notch better than anything else.
How wrong can a person be?
lollipopguild
Like his owner-Trump- he is the gift that keeps on giving.
lollipopguild
@SiubhanDuinne: You are not as wrong as Chris CrispyKreme/Chris Mcdonalds.
Mike in NC
I’m ready to call the GOP 2020 ticket: Ted Cruz / Steve King
They always manage to sink deeper into the slime.
lollipopguild
Per TBogg-It is tough for Mayo on white bread to go “gangsta”.
JPL
Since I don’t have cable, but do have four PBS feeds by way of my antenna, I’m going to watch Midsomer Murders and then Luther. I’ll catch up in the morning on the convention. I’m sure the Melania will say how sweet her husband is and how her husband will keep America safe, like he did for her son. Night all.
Capri
As a Hoosier, the huge silver lining is that Pence is no longer running for state office. Being named to the ticket has been a deal-breaker for several of the folks I know who are Republicans and were flirting with Trump.
raven
“The weaponization of grief”
Schlemazel Khan
@SiubhanDuinne:
Seriously?!? They bow to the same corporate overlords as the rest of the TV media, why would you expect them to be better? The GOP screwed them hard & left them begging for money, this allowed them to become wards of the wealthy and well connected & they sever their masters well. The ‘liberal’ thing is just tossed against them because it is fun to do now.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
There is a four day convention on right now that will help you answer that question.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@raven: Where did that come from?
raven
@Comrade Scrutinizer: I hate to say it but Steve Schmidt said it.
eta He is now saying democrats did it after 9-11.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Did I miss Chachi?
I missed this
rikyrah
Of course Pence is a right-wing bigot. No shock in the least.
raven
SiubhanDuinne
Oh god, oh jeez, poor old Bob Dole. So embarrassing. Go away NPR-PBS, I’m going to listen to MSNBC where at least they don’t pretend quite as much.
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: I cannot stand the Giggle Sisters, Gwen and Judy.
Baud
Pence is a letdown to all the gay white boys who thought the world was safe to vote for the GOP.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@raven: Huh. I wonder if he stole it from Jim Naureckus’ article “Context Free Coverage of Terror Helps Perpetuate It’s Causes”:
It’s hard to imagine that Schmidt would have come up with that himself. I’m sure he twisted it.
Corner Stone
Oh no. I hope that’s not the dress Melania will be wearing for her address tonight.
We’ve had enough grief for one night.
SiubhanDuinne
I hope someone (I suggest Mark Knoller, who keeps numbers on everything) is keeping an accurate count of the number of times RNC speakers say “Crooked Hillary” to applause. Doesn’t it get old at some point?
Not so far, not tonight.
Corner Stone
Man, this fucking RNC speech lineup. So much grief, pain, anger and loss.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@raven:
Yup. We are solely responsible for the drive to war in Iraq. Cheney and Bush tried their damnedest to rein in us warmongering bastards, but we just ran roughshod over their pacifistic asses.
Iowa Old Lady
I think I have to buy this T-shirt.
I believe the Democrats plan to have the mothers of Trayvon Martin and other gunned down African Americans as speakers. I hope they manage it in a way that’s less exploitive than that poor Benghazi mother’s appearance.
trollhattan
If you can stand the histrionics, Sully is live-blogging the convention. He still lurves Hilz (JK).
ThresherK (GPad)
@SiubhanDuinne: The combined power of PBS + NPR? They put the meal in mealymouthed again?
dmsilev
@Corner Stone: And that’s just among the viewers.
Comrade Scrutinizer
@SiubhanDuinne: Just wait until they recycle the purple bandaids.
sm*t cl*de
@Schlemazel Khan:
If only.
Pogonip
@Baud: i thought you had the Mistaken-American vote pretty well in your corner.
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
“You hear me, God? You fuckin HEAR ME ?!?!?!?”
Baud
@Iowa Old Lady: I don’t think it’ll be exploitative at all. They probably won’t even mention the GOP, much less blame them.
dmsilev
@trollhattan: Wow:
You have to get _really_ deranged with the Hillary-hate for Andrew Sullivan to regard it as over the top.
schrodinger's cat
Aren’t two of Trump’s wives immigrants? How does that square with the general immigrant hate?
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: I cannot.
Corner Stone
@dmsilev: Their grief has caused a hole that needs to be filled. I am off to get Popeye’s chicken.
Please to keep an eye on these people, thanks.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: You may have missed Chachi, but Bob Loblaw wasn’t going to save you from a lot of fancy doubletalk anyway.
laura
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: that’s your expected outcome of 30 years of Radio Rwanda. We’re no longer the loyal opposition, or the other party or the Dems. We’re the enemy In His Name.
That’ll end well.
trnc
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Ira’s Dad over at TPM noted that Chachi said he and his wife went to church to reflect on Trump’s candidacy, and ID wondered if that was when God told him that he should call Hillary Clinton a (rhymes with Punt).
Ohio Mom
@schrodinger’s cat: I think if you are white, you are a good immigrant.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@ThresherK (GPad): heh, fair is fair, Ron Howard et al crafted a role to fit Chichi’s talents
@schrodinger’s cat: when Chuck Todd and “BriWi” (as CT called him) started getting giggly I had to change the channel
danielx
The upside is that long-suffering residents of Indiana will no longer have to put up with Mike Pence. Mitch Daniels was bad enough, but you can deal with ordinary corrupt corporate Republicans. Adding self-righteous religiosity and bigotry makes for a truly insufferable mix, although Pence does have truly excellent political hair which definitely adds balance to the ticket. There is in fact a school of thought among Indiana political observers that views Pence’s hair as the most intelligent part of his head.
schrodinger's cat
@Ohio Mom:Even if you are Jewish or Muslim?
dmsilev
RNC livestream showing people chanting ‘Trump, Trump, Trump’ looking utterly bored and clearly wishing that they were out hitting the bars or picking up prostitutes.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: @Ohio Mom: No, it is more straight forward than that. He wants what he wants and gets what he wants. Silly hooman rules do not apply to him.
danielx
@schrodinger’s cat:
I’d be willing to wager that if there was a flood of blond blue-eyed Scandahoovians coming over the northern Minnesota border there would be a much larger welcome mat, even if they spoke nothing but Norwegian.
dmsilev
“Good news out of Maryland”, nobody will be accountable for the death of Freddie Gray in Baltimore. And yes, that first bit is a direct quote.
Cacti
The Trump 2016 campaign is the right wing distilled to its essence.
No window dressing about tax cuts, trickle down economics, shrinking the size of government, etc.
It’s all about who they hate.
The Thin Black Duke
Meanwhile, the ghost of Hannah Arendt smiles bitterly.
Soylent Green
@schrodinger’s cat:
White people are not immigrants.
ETA oops, in after Ohio Mom.
weaselone
@danielx:
Did not a majority of the long suffering citizens of Indiana who actually bothered to show up vote for Pence, or does Indiana have a strange law whereby only the residents of other states are permitted to vote in gubernatorial elections?
trollhattan
Applause for the rule of law, now citing MLKJr.There’s your hijack o’ the night. Who the heck is this? Anarchy!
dmsilev
Where the hell did they dig up this sheriff? 1958 Alabama?
raven
@trollhattan:
Ohio Mom
@schrodinger’s cat: I was thinking about that white Italian actor (didn’t catch his name) and Mrs. Trump. Both showcased as “good” immigrants, both white, and clearly not Muslim.
As for Jews, Republicans have long pretended to like us.
On a related note, I find the conventioneers’ excitement and pride in their token Black speakers ruefully entertaining.
Aleta
@dmsilev: unspeakable, and then he attacked the prosecutor by name
How can he call for more respect for law officers and then disrespect the prosecutor
trollhattan
@raven:
Jesus wept. A full-on spew of fear-mongering and whopping statistical lies. Nice job, Wisconsin.
dmsilev
“I met my wife on a reality TV show. Now we have 8 kids”
This is apparently the comedic interval.
Omnes Omnibus
@danielx: Oddly, Norwegians are the least blonde and blue-eyed of the Scandinavians.
Renie
I saw a tweet by Jeet Heer earlier asking what does any of this have to do with the election? thought about it and it all is nothing about what trump will do to help the country; it seems to just be all about hate. Just building up the hate against Hillary.
Baud
@Renie: Well, duh. It’s not like they were hiding their strategy.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Did you see the Funny or Die from 2008 with Ron Howard, Andy Griffith and Henry Winkler, endorsing Obama? It’s a hoot. And probably still on their site.
dmsilev
@Renie: That’s all it is. Of course, tying Hillary to the guy who is currently the most popular national politician in the country may not be the brightest strategy.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@ThresherK (GPad): yep, loved knowing Sheriff Andy Taylor was on our side, better than Trump’s sheriff tonight
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Milwaukee County also gave us Scott Walker. The City is different.
Amir Khalid
@Ohio Mom:
You mean this guy?
MomSense
@The Thin Black Duke:
I’ve been thinking about her a lot lately.
raven
@Ohio Mom: Scott Baio
dmsilev
Applause lines landing with a resounding thud.
Oh goody, a Al Sharpton/Jessie Jackson line. So very topical. Can we at least get something from post-2000?
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
I know the syndrome. Our county sheriff is papering the metroplex with gun permits while the city police chief rolls his eyes.Not helping.
Steve in the ATL
Driving around NoVa today, I saw several Hillary bumper stickers, several Bernie stickers, and -zero- Trump stickers. Oh, and the one Jefferson Davis sticker in Richmond yesterday.
Mary G
The crowd seems a bit listless. The chants don’t really take hold.
Baud
@dmsilev: I’ve turned it off. I need to sleep and can’t risk the nightmares.
raven
hovercraft
@dmsilev:
He’s a Fox democrat, he hates BLM with the power of a thousand suns and Obama as well. He was on with Don Lemon last night and Lemon came off as the smart, coherent one.
Aleta
Do delegates receive free convention booty? Or are they too American to accept ?
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Kinda weird seeing Bob Dole there. I don’t remember him at all in 2012, I know he was close to McCain. He was no saint but I never thought of him as a hater, I’m kind of surprised how vocal he’s been about Trump, and it looks like he doesn’t get around very easily.
catclub
@Renie: Others have pointed out that the convention is still selling Trump to the GOP. When it should be selling Trump to all the new voters he needs to convince.
Like when they tried to humanize Romney. Looking back he seems so reasonable by comparison.
SiubhanDuinne
I feel as though I used to like Judy Woodruff. When did she get to be so awful? (Have actually not heard her in years, but she is co-hosting the NPR-PBS coverage.) Lordy.
dmsilev
Oh, for fuck’s sake. A Hillary pantsuit joke?
hovercraft
@Aleta:
Police are never wrong, they are the only people who actually care about black lives, per the sheriff in an interview earlier today. So anyone who does not lick their boots is evil.
trollhattan
Sully doesn’t disappoint.
Jeez, to think I used to read him.
Marc McKenzie
Both Trump and Pence are horrid choices, to be honest.
But you know…there’s always gotta be someone who will pop up and utter that “Hillary is worse!” and then add how they’re voting for Stein or writing in another candidate or something something to prove just how pure they are.
Hillary is waaaayyy better than these two. No contest.
raven
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s fucking baked, Liddy just rolled him in.
Baud
TPM
dmsilev
Sen. Tom Cotton up now. One of the bigger jackasses of the evening, and yes I’m aware of the level of competition.
trollhattan
Heh, I pasted in a Sully quote and WP done eated it. So go read his thoughts on how the crazy sheriff and BLM are the same.
schrodinger's cat
@Omnes Omnibus: My anecdata contradicts your assertion. My Norwegian friend (from Norway) has blonde hair and blue eyes another friend with Norwegian parentage from Minnesota has blue eyes and is balding right now with grey temples. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was blonde when he did have hair.
raven
“He went to Vietnam in 1969”. YAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: You’re not the boss of me.
Patricia Kayden
@Mary G: Watching Sam Seder’s coverage live. The Convention is boring as hell, interspersed with bold faced vitriol. Cannot imagine a week of this.
SiubhanDuinne
@Schlemazel Khan:
Yeah, I know. But I spent twelve years of my life working for NPR member stations (not NPR itself) back before they were total corporate sellouts, and old loyalties die hard. It’s a huge disappointment, every time I’m brought face-to-face with it.
raven
@schrodinger’s cat: Me too.
hovercraft
Hugh Hewitt has decreed that this shit show is going splendidly, so relax people it’s a disaster.
dmsilev
We’ll see the softer side of the asshole.
MomSense
Is Cotton the one who said Ebola infected Muslims had a plan to cross the Mexican border to give us all Ebola?
schrodinger's cat
@SiubhanDuinne: She has been awful for at least the last couple of years. I too liked her when she was with CNN in the 90s.
Omnes Omnibus
@schrodinger’s cat: I don’t have the stats in front of me but the other Scandinavian countries are majority b/b-e and Norway is about 50/50.
I Am Not King Jon Snow
Working theory: This convention is an elaborate false flag operation. Brilliantly designed to (a) make the GOP look crazier than the Mad King and (b) maximize Democratic turnout.
Renie
@Baud: I know but its so visceral its creepy
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne:
SD, you have been en fuego lately!
dmsilev
“Let me quote Dick Cheney, but God forbid I actually mention his name”
trollhattan
@Marc McKenzie:
I don’t believe Warren is Hillary’s best choice but I’m going to set that aside to bathe in the imagined spectacle of her debating Pence on the teevee machine for all the world to see. I’m not sure he’d actually be alive at the finish.
Ohio Mom
One thing that strikes me about the bits and pieces of the speeches I’ve heard so far is that they all sound like they are written on a fourth grade level. No fancy words or long sentences or big ideas or historical references or metaphors, just very simple in every way. In that respect, they are just like every one of Trump’s utterances.
raven
@dmsilev: He’s from the same place as Mattie Ross
Shana
@raven: I hope those cops had body cameras to document all that. Douche.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: The same result holds if it is Perez, Kaine, or Castro.
MomSense
I need a Republican lexicon to make sense of some of these references.
SFAW
@dmsilev:
All the best hate is timeless.
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
Wait, did he just say something like “so my (x) little children may someday live in peace”??
Wow.
dmsilev
@MomSense: Just imagine someone screaming incoherently for ten minutes straight. Most of the speeches boil down to that.
Baud
@dmsilev: @SFAW:
When did they retire Jane Fonda?
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: It wouldn’t help.
raven
@SiubhanDuinne: Christmas
SiubhanDuinne
And now this woman. “We’re here because we’re here because we’re here because we’re here….”
raven
Rules in a knife fight?
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
True, but Pence is so rabidly anti-woman that a Warren matchup would be a delicious meal, not merely an amuse bouche.
raven
What fucking horsehit, there were no ROE’s before Obama.
dmsilev
@Baud: 2009. They retired her jersey and everything.
jl
Not watching the mess, but I read some place that whatever is happening is considerably toned down from what Trump Himself wanted to put on tonight.
From TPM blog, what is actually happening seems like a hazardous waste dumpster fire.
MomSense
I’m guessing this “refusing to call our enemy by name” is a big deal for Republicans.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: I have paid only enough attention to Pence over the year to know that he is stupid and evil. I’ll take your word for it.
dmsilev
Another Senator From the Confederacy.
SFAW
@MomSense:
That there is the source of your problem.
gogol's wife
So Melania hasn’t appeared yet? I keep coming here to check. I certainly cannot watch this, but your commentary is giving me the gist.
Steve in the ATL
@SiubhanDuinne: Judy Woodruff spoke at my daughter’s college last fall. She was great. Didn’t mention any names, but said something like, “I know your football team is having a rough season. Is the solution to find a coach who has never played or coached football before?”
dmsilev
@MomSense: Remember Romney trying to use it as a set of magic words in the 2012 debates? They really seem to think that life is like a Harry Potter novel: wave the wand and say the magic words, and Things Happen.
hovercraft
@SiubhanDuinne:
Rules of engagement, too much focus on winning hearts and minds, won’t call the enemy by name. These speeches are just slogans yelled from the podium.
Botsplainer, Neoliberal Corporatist Shill
Couple of things:
1. I won’t watch. Went to get a checkup last week, and pulse and BP numbers were all really good. Don’t want to see myself go down the path of abject rage.
2. The thing about Benghazi – the rage started when there dared be official criticism of a redneck piece of shit racist “pastor” of a shit-drawling white trash tiny Fundamentalcase congregation doing a Koran-burning video which sparked riots across the Muslim world. Those riots were used as a cover for the Benghazi attack.
Here is that piece of shit Terry Jones and his shit-drawling redneck filth congregation using the word “nigger” repeatedly.
This is the thing the right was going to war over. Romney probably collapsed his campaign on it, the email gripes sprang from it, and after a half dozen expensive investigations, it is the main subject of the 2016 campaign.
All because a Real ‘Murkan piece of shit redneck racist got criticized.
Fuck them. Fuck their faith.
Corner Stone
Obamatrade.
He might as well as use the N word.
dmsilev
@gogol’s wife: Won’t be for a while yet. The broadcast networks are going to start their live feeds at the top of the hour, and there are still several speakers left to go before Mrs. Trump.
SiubhanDuinne
@MomSense:
Here.
Anne Laurie
@Iowa Old Lady: Stolen — with credit. (Continued on next rock)
Iowa Old Lady
I’m not watching, just reading around the web, and my conclusion is that to a normal person, tonight’s show is emotionally off putting.
SFAW
@Baud:
She’s on sabbatical, not retired. She’ll be mentioned right before the nutcase who talks about FDR (or Truman) giving Europe to the Russkies.
ThresherK (GPad)
@SiubhanDuinne: I like your demarcating NPR from member stations. Some of the better people on public radio are too good to dive into the pablum and lie-providing of the mothership. WAMC’s local stuff is great, for one.
hovercraft
@MomSense:
If you don’t say radical islamic terrorism we will all soon be praying 5 times a day.
jacy
I made the mistake of looking at Sully’s liveblog. Now I remember why I didn’t miss him when he was gone. For fuck’s sake.
Sully Sez:
“This goes of course also for the Black Lives Matter activists, whose core and central argument is that black men are disproportionately killed by cops. The best data shows this is false – just as their narrative about Michael Brown was false. Thanks in part to the radicalized racial left – we now have merely one identity politics waging war against another. They have a terrible inter-relationship, these two illiberalisms. They foment each other.”
hovercraft
That’ a new one for me, Obama Trade.
Baud
And the wind cried . . . Benghazi.
MomSense
@dmsilev: @Omnes Omnibus:
I just find it so strange that half the country has a lingo and uses references the other half of the country doesn’t understand.
trollhattan
Sully doubles down. We’ll see if FYWP allows his tome this go.
Tory git.
Baud
@MomSense: Like naked mopping?
MomSense
@SiubhanDuinne:
Ha!
jacy
Sully just blogged that black lives are just as safe as white llives when dealing with cops. No, really, he did.
SiubhanDuinne
@ThresherK (GPad):
My local station has made a ton of programming decisions in the last couple of years that piss me off no end (mostly having to do with a de-emphasis on classical music), but they do have some local investigative journalists who have done terrific work (and won a number of awards from the Atlanta Press Club and others).
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Shouldn’t that be feckin’ Tory git?
MomSense
@Baud:
Poor John, that episode has provided us with endless fun. We really are vicious jackals.
Mary G
OK, the cognitive dissonance is getting to me and I hate Rudy 911, so I’m going to have dinner and play with the cats.
Emma
@jacy: I think it’s Charles Pierce who says that when listening to the Pauls, father and son, you’re going right along with no problem until the 4:59 mark. Then it’s 5:00 and the crazy hits the fan. With Sully, it’s pretty much the same way.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: @jacy: And yet people continue to take him seriously.
Renie
OMG Rudy 911 Guiliani is on now. I dislike this man so much I can’t even watch it muted. With that body language, all he needs is a mustache and he would look like Hitler speaking.
trollhattan
@gogol’s wife:
Saw Tina Turner during her second, solo career in a high-dollar show. At some point a runway extending from the main stage dropped from the arena ceiling, which she used to shimmy into the center of the crowd and sing next to us.
I want that for Frau Trump. There will be old man deaths.
catclub
@SFAW: I would guess that Jimmy Carter has been on vacation as history’s greatest monster, as well.
Maybe he and Jane can be brought back with Emmanuel Goldstein.
MomSense
@hovercraft:
Obviously not the right kind of praying.
Anne Laurie
@Omnes Omnibus:
But those bastids are (genetically) responsible for Karl Rove. (Who looks scarily like my least favorite N-A brother-in-law.)
Norwegians will tell you, without shame, that they pacified their nation by sending all the most demented members off to terrorize the civilized world during the Middle Ages. People like Rove carry on their not-so-proud Viking heritage, without shame.
Omnes Omnibus
@MomSense: He knew his audience and still told the story. Caveat scriptor.
catclub
@Baud: That is a campaign promise I approve of.
Kind of like George Bush may be the worst president ever, but after about 2005 he told Dick Cheney to shut the fuck up over Iran. Low bar, but still.
hovercraft
Now POS Rudy, he’s praying for the police because ni**erg have placed a target on their backs. It was implied.
Mocking Obama’s 2004 speech, what happened to one America, says he cleaned up and united NYC, and Donald can do the same for America. Donald has a great big generous anonymous heart. The media should stop lying about the great man.
Muslim bashing now.
trollhattan
@Omnes Omnibus:
If I had a better grasp of the mother tongue I’d unleash the full Father Jack on his Tory arse.
ThresherK (GPad)
@SiubhanDuinne: So, what shows from there should I try on?
I’m recommending WAMC’s The Media Project. It is small-scale but is a much better piece of media crit than On the Media.
Omnes Omnibus
@trollhattan: Tory git wasn’t a bad start. I’ve never seen the point of the guy.
sukabi
@jacy: if there was ever a person that needed to “trade places” it would be Sully…
hovercraft
Now we’re onto the Benghazi portion, Hillary lied to the families and to congress.
Benghazi deaths are Hillary’s fault, Donald will lead by leading not by following. Hillary is going to let Syrians with embedded terrorists who are coming to kill us.
No time left to revive our great country, there’s no next election, it must be Trump to save us now. Vote for Trump. GREATNESS!!!!
Anne Laurie
@MomSense:
Yep.
To be fair, Cotton’s “spokesperson” suggested that the wiley ISIS terrorists would direct Mexican drug cartels to smuggle Ebola. Cotton himself prefers to blame all the world’s worst terrors on Iranians, and he is smart enough to know the difference between ISIS & Iran — but not honest enough to disambiguate the two for his less well-educated constituents.
MCA1
Speech titles just leaked –
Tom Cotton: “I Am The Banality of Evil”
Rudy: “A Million Flecks of Spittle”
Mike in NC
@Renie: Always reminded me of Nosferatu.
Omnes Omnibus
@Mike in NC: Max Schreck’s corpse resents the comparison.
Anne Laurie
@dmsilev:
See, that’s where they figure Hillary went wrong: She has no ‘wand’!
SiubhanDuinne
@ThresherK (GPad):
Well, it’s not so much “shows” as it is certain reporters doing certain stories. And with the new(ish) format, there’s no telling where those stories may turn up.
For instance, Jim Burress is terrific as a reporter, and has been professionally recognised as such. But WABE has him assigned as co-host of a usually tedious midday “in-depth” “news” program (A Closer Look, of all the unoriginal titles) sharing the mic with one of the most annoying, incompetent people I’ve ever heard. A very bad match, and a terrible waste of his talents. In any case, his (and others’) long-form reporting might show up on Closer Look, or the local drop-ins of Morning Edition or ATC. There’s no single go-to program.
The Lodger
@dmsilev: Sounds like a toilet paper ad.
MCA1
Scott Baio: “You Won’t Believe How Big An Asshole I Am. Yuge.”
Melania: “How Do I Sound Like I Give A Shit about These Little People in English?”
gogol's wife
@Omnes Omnibus:
Right, Nosferatu is cute compared to Giuliani.
01jack
Melania, according to The Guardian:
We’re getting rick rolled.
hovercraft
@Anne Laurie:
Republicans are all about symbolism, the achievements they site are slogans like “shock and awe”, “shining city on a hill”, “tear down this wall”, never mind the actual results or actions, it sounded tough so they were tough. John Wayne was a hero to many of them as kids, and then Clint Eastwood, for most of us they were hollywood creations, for them they were real life role models. Details and hard work are for suckers, slogans are the way to go.
ThresherK (GPad)
@sukabi: I would love to drop Sully into My Man Godfrey, simply to hear what his takeaway is from that story. I have the feeling he doesn’t get it.
hovercraft
@01jack:
I don’t know who she’s talking about, but he sounds nothing like the dumpster fire we’ve been seeing on our tv’s everyday.
ThresherK (GPad)
@SiubhanDuinne: Thanks for the input.
Joel
My wife was watching on a facebook feed. Seems like the same old shit to me.
Emphasis on the old.
danielx
@weaselone:
Let’s just say there’s been a YOOGE amount of buyers’ remorse since the election – Pence hadn’t had much chance to show his predilection for stepping in his own shit as a member of Congress, but he’s shown his ass on a regular basis as the guv.
Joel
@01jack: I’m taking a ride with my best friend…
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
Wrong reply @. Again
Uncle Cosmo
@Renie: Let’s be precise with the Fascist analogies. Ghouliani is “a small man in search of a balcony” (Jimmy Breslin), IOW a Mussolini-wannabe.