Open Thread: Warm Fuzzy Patriotic Thoughts


“If you’re gonna love America, you have to love ALL Americans”

As my old man used to say: … this side idolatry.


What’s on the agenda as we wrap up the holiday / weekend?

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    RobertDSC-Quad Intel Mac says:

    I just think of the American flags left on the moon. That is my fondest thought about being an American.

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    lollipopguild says:

    You do not have to love every single American in order to love and treasure a country where people from all over the planet have proven that they can live in peace with each other.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @RobertDSC-Quad Intel Mac:
    NASA stated that they have been bleached white by the sun now.

    I don’t want to be but am well aware I am a little ray of black shine on a sunny day.

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    What movie was the music from? I know the movie, but I can’t put my finger on it.

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    Trentrunner says:

    Rumors swirling that because Sen Bob Corker is campaigning w/Trump tomorrow in North Carolina–where Obama & Clinton make their first joint appearance–Trump will be announcing Corker as his VP then and there, too.

    Would be the first not-completely-politically-idiotic thing Trump has done in about two months.

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    Elie says:

    YESSSSSSSS — Happy 4 of JUUUU — LY my friends on B-j — and to our country….

    May we stay strong and believe in the true dream of liberty and love….

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    The flag is a symbol not a blindfold. It can serve as a backdrop for the emotion of patriotism but should never blind a person to the things we still need to work on.

    I love my country. I love my kids too but that does not mean I ignore their faults and pretend they are perfect. I want my kids to do better & I know they can. I feel the same way about my country, very proud when they do well, happy to share their success but want them to always try to do better while they enjoy what they do well.

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    Why the hell would Corker consent to do that? The guy is a low life, but he’s about as near to a sane Republican as we have left here now. What the hell could he be hoping to get out of this? He’ll spend the next five months or whatever it is trying to control Trump, and then having to answer for him when he can’t. It seems like it would be beneath him to run with Trump. I don’t know; maybe I’m misreading the guy, but he’s been about as critical of Trump as any Republican has been this last year.

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    RobertDSC-Quad Intel Mac says:

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    I know. But they are still there. And I love that very much.

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    I have to admit that I don’t love America. I don’t not love it, either. To be honest, the concept of loving a country doesn’t make any sense to me. I can love people, but only ones that I know. I can’t love an abstract concept like a country. I just can’t wrap my head around the idea.

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    chris says:

    We’re not done with the weekend.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    We’re spending our 4th of July like all right-thinking people should: watching the “Twilight Zone” marathon on SyFy. William Shatner’s finest half hour is on now in “Nightmare at 20,000 Feet.”

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    seaboogie says:

    I am minutes from checking in on NASA’s Juno mission to Jupiter, in solidarity with me pa (me in CA, Dad in SW Ontario) who is a big fan of physics and all things space and planetary.

    Also 15 days away from qualifying for a senior discount – and it just so happens that my 55th birthday falls on a Tuesday, which is senior discount day. I will celebrate by shopping a bit more heavily than my usual daily foray, and will call my Dad to tell him that his eldest is now officially a senior. Since Dad is only 77, it’s fun to remind him that while he may not be that old, his kids are getting up there in years.

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    lamh36 says:

    #NiecyZoe…11 months old! Who can believe it in one more month she’ll be 1 year old

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    PurpleGirl says:

    Often when I think about the country I hear in my head the ending speech in the movie The American President. I’d insert it here but it is a long speech. But every time I watch the movie that speech just hits a spot. (Yes, I’m in love President Shepard. If only he was real.)

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    hilts says:


    “Rumors swirling that because Sen Bob Corker is campaigning w/Trump tomorrow in North Carolina”

    There should be a special place in Hell reserved for Corker and other Republican assholes in the Senate and House of Reps who understand that Trump is completely unqualified to be President, but who cravenly believe in putting the interests of their fucking political party ahead of the interests of America.


    “You do not have to love every single American” – Fuck that goddamn motherfucking Donald Trump and his pathetic fucking hairpiece.

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    ThresherK (GPad) says:

    @Mnemosyne: I asked the little fortune telling machine in the greasy spoon, “Is that Shatner’s finest hour?” and it answered, “Results inconclusive”.

    They’d better get my car fixed soon or I may never leave.

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    chris says:

    @lamh36: At times like this I’m glad I voted for Justin. Other times I just despair because I’m just another “hard leftist” who got spun by a pretty face and some promises. He reminds me so much of Obama, Hope and (a few minor) Changes, as the neoliberal train keeps a’rollin’.

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    ThresherK (GPad) says:

    Spousal ThresherK and I happened to be in Hyde Park for Memorial Day, and that gave me a good feeling about my country.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Mnemosyne: Enjoy it Mnem. I will be staying up to watch 1776 on TCM. Also on TCM before 1776, Yankee Doodle Dandy. I know the movie isn’t true to James M. Cohan’s real life but Cagney was so good in it; who can not watch Cagney tap dancing down the White House steps. Dance scene filmed in one take with no rehearsal. Cagney was one hell of a tap dancer.

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    chris says:

    First comment in moderation because I posted a link? To a pet picture? Did I miss a memo?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    Looks like the rain is clearing up, so it’s probably fireworks viewing and then some more writing and then an early-night crash. Wrapping up the Shakespeare plays has left me feeling oddly enervated.

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    The Dangerman says:

    I’m still saying it’ll be Gingrich. Adelson money gotta look good to Trump.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    Reading — actually listening to an audiobook of — the American-est book there is: Ulysses Grant’s Memoirs.

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    amk says:

    @The Dangerman: Why the automatic assumption here that noot comes with the caseeeno $’s?

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @chris:This iteration of FYWP has decided that all ‘naked’ links are spam. If you can use the link button on top of the leave-a-comment box (highlight a brief description, e.g., ‘weekend’s not over’; click ‘link’ button; enter the URL; press okay; post comment as usual) you won’t have to wait for one of us front-pagers to fish it out of the filter.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @PurpleGirl: Menem — I wasn’t quite finished with my comment…

    I’ve done the Twilight Zone marathons before and watch a few of them this afternoon. But somehow The comment closed and I couldn’t get back to it in time.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @The Dangerman:

    I’m still saying it’ll be Gingrich. Adelson money gotta look good to Trump.

    Two potential landmines: Newt says something Lord Short Thumbs interprets as disrespectful; or Adelson decides a guy who loves the alt-Reich as much as Trump just ain’t his kinda candidate.

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    geg6 says:

    My poor pups are on the verge of a nervous breakdown, poor things. There’s a special hell reserved for all the assholes who insist on producing their own fireworks extravaganzas. This is three nights in a row. It has made Lovey so upset, she’s thrown up in bed the last two. Hopefully, it won’t happen again tonight. I hate this part of Independence Day.

    Plus, I think I’m coming down with some sort of respiratory crud. People are going to be pissed if I call off tomorrow.

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    I think they’re making a distinction between loving all Americans and loving each and every American. The idea is that loving all Americans means treating all citizens equally, i.e. not thinking your kind of American is superior to all other kinds. That’s different from loving each American, which is the kind of thing only a saint or a delusional person could do.

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    The Dangerman says:


    Why the automatic assumption…

    The media has Newt and Adelson as BFF’s; can’t tell you why.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I see that Australia’s biggest embarrassment Pauline Hanson is still on the political scene after 20 years, and has been elected a Senator.

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    chris says:

    @Anne Laurie: I did miss a memo! Thanks, AL

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    Mnemosyne says:


    We ended up not watching “1776” this year. G had homework and he was feeling a little down since it’s the 4th anniversary of his dad’s death this year. But we’re going to hike up into the hills and see a few fireworks displays since you can see a few different cities’ displays from up there.

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    Mornington Crescent says:

    I see that Noel Neill has died.

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    NotMax says:

    Little late, but forgot to link to Jean Shepherd’s The Great American Fourth Of July and Other Disasters.

    Tomorrow, annual watching of “Fifth of July.”

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    Tenar Darell says:

    @PurpleGirl: My favorite Cagney apocrypha is that for all the acting only parts he did, he considered himself a hoofer first & always, so it feels perfect to hear it only took one take without rehearsal to get the White House steps scene.

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    NotMax says:


    He was just fine in Judgment at Nuremberg.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    At least 27% of the population of this country can’t do what Cena asks.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    I was able to see about 2/3 of the Macy’s fireworks display. My terrace has lines of sight to Manhattan, Brooklyn (almost to Coney Island and the display they do there. This year there was a display in Maspeth (I think) that was smaller but had some of the same fireworks as Macy’s. So I was sitting outside to watch. Didn’t see the lower bursts but the high ones were great. I saw the fireworks the first year on the Hudson at the park with friends. Now I’m hearing random explosions.

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    NotMax says:

    @Tenar Darell

    IIRC, it was an ad lib – no dancing indicated in the script.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @lamh36: She is adorable. Wishing her the best in life.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @efgoldman: He’s got a blind spot. The size of Texas.

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    Carl W says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’m watching Summer Games Done Quick. Recommended for people who like video games.

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    rikyrah says:

    Zoe is so cute 😀

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    rikyrah says:

    @The Dangerman:
    That is how I feel. That Adelson checkbook. 💲💲💲💲💲💲

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    lamh36 says:

    Finally getting around to watching Marvel’s Jessica Jones on Netflix. It’s def a weird one…David Tennant is both creepy and hilarious and charming and sinister as hell…all at the same time.

    Well done David!

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @efgoldman: They met in December and apparently got along swimmingly.

    While the mega donor didn’t disclose his degree of backing for the front-runner in the race for the Republican nomination, he did say he found Trump to be “very charming” and called his standing in the crowded candidate field “unheard of.”

    “It was very nice,” the gambling tycoon told Reuters in a rare interview in Macau when asked if he had met Trump, who leads in opinion polls of Republican voters. “He was very charming.”

    Hours later, Trump returned the compliment to Adelson, telling Reuters, “Sheldon and I have been friends for a long time. He is an amazing man. I am the only one who doesn’t need his money. But I would love his support.”

    On the subject of Israel, Trump added, “Sheldon knows that nobody will be more loyal to Israel than Donald Trump.”

    The meeting and Trump’s pro-Israel stance – coming after more ambiguous remarks a few weeks ago – could pave the way for a deeper relationship between the two men, a month and a half before the first Republican nominating contest in Iowa.


    “We like a lot of the candidates, some more than the others,” Adelson said during the interview in Macau, the world’s largest gambling hub, ahead of the formal opening of his new St. Regis hotel in the former Portuguese colony,

    “It’s changing every day. I saw in the news today that Trump said his percentage approval was 41 percent. Out of 14 candidates, 41 percent is unheard of.”

    Asked what characteristics he would like the Republican party’s nominee to embody, Adelson said, “They have got to be able to win.”

    If Trump continues to crash in the polls, Shelly may keep his money.


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    PurpleGirl says:

    @NotMax: Yes, he began walking down the steps and then began dancing. One year it looked like no TV station was showing the movie but the Museum of Modern Art was so I went there. There was another movie showing before YDD, so I let other people into the movie before me. (It was first come, first enter.) The guard let me do it when I told him I wanted to see YDD. Then a lady behind me heard what I was doing and she began staying with me. We got to talking and she said she was Cagney’s niece. She had stay in the City for some reason and couldn’t get to the farm upstate for the annual BBQ and showing of the movie. Uncle Jimmy’s favorite movie.

    Finally the time for YDD came and we entered the movie and we parted. So maybe she was Cagney’s niece or maybe not, but it was a nice conversation and she got to see the movie she really wanted to.

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    redshirt says:

    @lamh36: He’s one of the creepiest/scariest villains I can think of. He’s terrifying.

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    amk says:

    @srv: idjits are gonna be idjits.

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    redshirt says:


    At times like this I’m glad I voted for Justin. Other times I just despair because I’m just another “hard leftist” who got spun by a pretty face and some promises. He reminds me so much of Obama, Hope and (a few minor) Changes, as the neoliberal train keeps a’rollin’.

    Jesus. I doubt anyone is good enough for you. Not in this reality.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mornington Crescent: She has her own statue:

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    CaseyL says:

    Listening to the Juno orbital insertion on another tab. Engine burn took place without untoward incident and will burn for 35 minutes, taking Juno into Jovian orbit. You could see the doppler on the screen in Mission Control, showing the sharp upward spike as the burn happened.

    It’s difficult to do a telecast about a space mission without actual images from the ship, so there’s a lot of interviewing people, talking about the mission, the reason Jupiter is so hot, etc. I’m really enjoying it.

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    Aleta says:

    @srv: He will insist on being tried for manslaughter I’m sure.

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    redshirt says:

    @CaseyL: Go Juno!

    I wish this probe was also exploring the Jovian moons like Cassini, but alas. There is Europa mission in planning stages though, which is going to be incredible.

    The moons of the solar system are more interesting than most of the planets, and I suspect that’s the case with every solar system.

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    fuckwit says:

    @Anne Laurie: Is there a pool?

    here’s the square I’ll take: Troll will tap someone, like Gingrich, who has a mind of his own. That person will say or do something without Troll explicitly telling him to. And, Troll will fire him. And pick someone who’s going to lapdog him, like maybe Christie.

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    fuckwit says:

    @redshirt: That’s because Presidents and Prime Ministers don’t make the laws, control the economy, or speak for 100% of the people. My guess is that Canada has got so much neoliberal momentum, like the US, that no one person will or can be expected to change it. It’ll take generations of hard work. Don’t give up.

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    Vhh says:

    @Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (Formerly Mumphrey, et al.): Corker, like Trump, is a real estate developer. They both know how to milk a project. Corker ran racist ads in his first Senate campaign, against Harold Ford, a black guy (“not our kind of person). And lastly, Corker is reputed to be “small fingered” in the same way as Trump.

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    Mike J says:

    @CaseyL: 8000kg of fuel or a 35 minute burn! That’s a lotta kerosene to haul a loooong way.

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    Mary G says:

    Exciting! What amazings things we doing in space.

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    max says:

    Orbital injection completed! Woo.

    [‘Juno did not go smack. And that doesn’t suck.’]

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Mike J: That particular engine uses hypergolic propellants, hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide–they ignite on contact. The engine was actually made by a British company, Moog-ISP.

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    dogwood says:

    Go easy on him. He’s in “despair.”

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    max says:

    “Welcome to jupiter”

    “Welcome to jupiter,” a voice said over the radio at Nasa’s JPL, with scientists cheering, clapping and hugging each other.

    The burn time was within one second of the predicted time, putting it in exactly the orbit it needed.

    “You’re the best team ever! We just did the hardest thing Nasa has ever done,” shouted, principle investigator of the Juno mission, Scott Bolton.

    [‘And now the little probe begins to have its brain slowly fried.’]

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    seaboogie says:

    @CaseyL: Me too. This was really interesting. I initially thought it would be immediate gratification with cool pics, but it was just about getting into Jupiter’s orbit with a solar powered vehicle. Pretty amazing stuff, and the interviews put the significance of this mission into perspective. Really interested in seeing what data is gathered over the course of the mission.

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    workworkwork says:

    @redshirt: Mind control is the scariest bad-guy thing as far as I’m concerned.
    I almost didn’t watch “Jessica Jones” because of that (glad I did, though). I knew David Tennant would be an amazing bad guy ever since I saw him in “Secret Smile”.

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    CaseyL says:

    @Mike J: Here’s the description of her fuel:

    Juno carries six spherical propellant tanks – four containing fuel (called hydrazine) and two holding oxidizer (called nitrogen tetroxide). When the two propellants combine, they burn to give Juno thrust. Together, the propellants have a mass of just over 2,000 kilograms (4,400 pounds), accounting for 55 to 60 percent of the spacecraft’s mass at launch.

    Aboard Juno, there are also 12 thrusters that fire bursts of hydrazine to adjust its rotation and orientation in space. In addition, Juno has two tanks of liquid helium, which provide pressure to the fuel lines, allowing the propellants to flow.

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    Honus says:

    @Mornington Crescent: Lois Lane. She spoke at UVA 40 years ago, and came to the bar where my band was playing afterward. While she was dancing to Sweet Jane we changed the chorus to “Lois Lane” She loved it.

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    max says:

    @efgoldman: Yeah, since Shelley’s purpose in life is to get Netenyahu elected president of the US and turn the Republiklowns into Likudniks, I’ve got to think he’s got extra ultra-sensitive antennae for any whisper of Antisemitism. Or maybe he’s got such a huge blind spot it doesn’t matter.

    1) Trump yells a lot. Israelis’ Favorite Thing About Donald Trump? His Style (to Put It Bluntly)
    2) He’ll (likely) want to fund Israel the big bucks.
    3) He’s want to hit Muslims everywhere and anywhere. Also he doesn’t care about the Palestinians.
    4) Trump undoubtably loves BiBi. And the Russians like Trump.

    What, from Adelson’s POV, is not to like?

    [‘What’s a little antisemitism between buds?’]

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @srv: Yes. The dipshit killed him. WITH A GUN.

    Fuck him. He should languish in a cell for his irresponsibility.

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    redshirt says:

    @workworkwork: Especially a psychopath with mind control powers. Some of the things he did on the show were shockingly horrific, not only because of what we saw, but what we could imagine. His offhand joke about telling a guy to “go fuck himself” is terrifying.

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    Lamh36 says:

    @redshirt: it was “go screw yourself” and yeah creepy as hell. the idea that he was actually picking his words carefully and STILL ends up doing horrific shit!!!!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: @RobertDSC-Quad Intel Mac: The fading doesn’t matter. They are still there.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: Stop being picky. It was a well done thingy about inclusiveness.

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    @workworkwork: Tennant was great, but it was also the writing. As the series progresses, and Kilgrave’s character is slowly revealed, it all fits. There is a moment, when he describes what it was like having his power since he was a child, where you actually have sympathy for him, and then it dissipates as he cannot keep from being the evil monster he has become.

    I like it when superhero writers take the time to really explore what various powers do to the personality of those who have them. There was an issue of X-Factor, some 25 years ago during Peter David’s run, when someone asks Quicksilver why he’s such an asshole. His response was, “You know those times when you’re stuck in line at the ATM, behind the person who can’t figure out which button to push, and takes forever? That’s my entire life.”

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Matt McIrvin: I was watching a Mythbusters that was made in line for the ending of the series. It was about a “new” fuel for a rocket. new fuel — gummy bears (in three forms) and another petrochemical. quite a funny episode.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: That is a vaguely uncomfortable suggestion. Come on, the thing was well meant and decent overall.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:


    Rumors swirling that because Sen Bob Corker is campaigning w/Trump tomorrow in North Carolina

    NC has two GOP senators, one of whom is newly-ish elected and has no, one of whom is up for election in November. Are they not prepared to stump with Tr*mp in their home state? To be fair, the far-west bits of NC are very much Vols country, but that doesn’t mean they’re Corkertown.

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    MoeLarryAndJesus says:

    @Trentrunner: Doesn’t “Trump-Corker” sound like something was shoved up Trump’s ass?

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @max: Direct from the website:

    “You’re the best team ever! We just did the hardest thing Nasa has ever done,” shouted, [<-sic] principle [<-even siccer] investigator of the Juno mission, Scott Bolton.

    Geezypeezy, one lousy sentence & we get an out-of-place comma & a misused word (“principal investigator”). Idiocracy comes to planetary exploration. Either the budget left no room for hiring flacks who were, like, actually competent in English, or this came from the keyboard of some GOTea Congresscritter’s second-cousin’s son…

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    I am a bit out of the “scene” and had no idea who this John Cena was. Zero clue. Interesting guy. That video is 3.5 minutes of awesome and only a Democrat embrace a this type of inclusion. If you have told me his background I would have labeled him a Republican.

    Ironic this is co-sponsored by “Love Has No Labels”. . . Bad me !

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