Bundy Bunch Update: The Pa-Traitor-ating!


(Worst Episode of Hollywood Squares Ever!)

We have our first capitulation err, um, plea agreement of one of the 26 fine upstanding Patriots charged in the Ammon Bundy led Malheur Federal Wildlife Refuge takeover and occupation. Brian Cavalier (2nd from right, top row), bodyguard for Ammon Bundy and professional tattooist, aka Buddha, aka Booda, aka Booda Belly, and aka The Fluffy Unicorn, now doing business as the Benedict Arnold of the New American Revolution, has reached a plea deal in regard to his charges in Oregon. This agreement does not impact or effect his case pending in Nevada for the Bunkerville Standoff of 2014. Unless, of course, he’s cut a deal in exchange for cooperation. Or has he? Regardless, thanks to JJ McNab’s excellent Twitter feed we can see that the other upstanding Patriots are none too pleased with Boddadict Arnoldbelly’s cutting a deal for a negotiated, reduced sentence.




And for those who really want to dig in and get their Bundy on, here’s the pdfs of the plea document:

800 — Cavalier Plea Document

And the plea agreement:

799 — Cavalier Plea Agreement

148 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    You should have saved this post for July 4.

  2. 2
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: LAO would have sued me for breach of Bundy update something…

  3. 3
    Mark k says:

    anyone have Twitter and wanna tweet this at John G? I’d SERIOUSLY love to hear our blogfather’s opinion and write up of this:


    sorry if this breaks the “non open thread” rules, just it’s the fresh post

  4. 4
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mark k: It is an open thread.

  5. 5
    Prescott Cactus says:

    Et tu Buddha ?

  6. 6
    MattF says:

    OT. Sheldon Adelson is backing away from Trump. I’m a bit surprised, but Adelson is an actual rich guy, so I guess he can’t be 100% delusional.

  7. 7
    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I was going to complain about your egregious characterization of me but then I realized it was accurate.

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    redshirt says:

    @Prescott Cactus: The Buddha knows about the Prisoner’s Dilemma.

  9. 9
    JPL says:

    What a shame, now they won’t be able to campaign for Trump. tsk, tsk

  10. 10
    redshirt says:

    @JPL: Or provide security.

  11. 11
    LAO says:

    It’s like bizarro world, the alternate patriot universe.

  12. 12
    piratedan says:

    how awesome is it that his attorney is named Brian Bofferding?

  13. 13
    NotMax says:

    Craptain America.

  14. 14
    redshirt says:

    Here’s the story,
    of a wingnut named Brady…

  15. 15
    LAO says:

    And, no way is he cooperating (yet?) with the government.

  16. 16
    Tony J says:

    What? The bullet-headed, thick-necked, bearded guy with the stern “I disapprove of this entire situation and everyone else in this gobshite montage because I am a sovereign citizen who considers myself a POW in the war for Constitutional Government and you fucknuckles are all smiling like it’s Pride parade!” is a shitbag who has suddenly realized that the real world doesn’t run on the rules of his pre-imprisonment Twoo Paytwat bubble?

    Shocked I am.

  17. 17
    trollhattan says:

    @Mark k:
    Holy crap, who do generals report to, again? I get confused on that.

  18. 18
    Tony J says:

    Unmoderate my comment, Mister Adam, I didsn’t mean to do the swearage.

  19. 19
    Aleta says:

    I loved what his lawyer said:

    “These are the times that try men’s souls, and Mr. Cavalier did what he felt is best for his case,” Cavalier’s attorney, Todd Bofferding, said in a statement after the hearing. “Mr. Cavalier still loves America no matter what.”

  20. 20
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mark k: I can’t speak for Cole, but I just read it. I think the authors, or the editor of the piece that did the headline, have over written their report. I don’t think you can call what General Breedlove was doing plotting. It was clear he was reaching out to anyone and everyone he thought might be able to help him get his point across to the President, which was: what Russia is doing is a much bigger threat than is perceived in DC and we are staring down a potential existential threat to Europe (EU and NATO). One of the most important things for Americans, and others, to realize is that despite being the President’s Senior Military Commander for a defined region of the world, none of the Geographic Combatant Commanders are headquartered in DC. This means that, and this includes the CENTCOM, NORTHCOM, SOUTHCOM, PACOM, and SOCOM Commanders who are all headquartered in the US, but not in DC, that often there is a lot of the Interagency and others in the Beltway crowd – in and out of government – in between them and the President. You’ll notice that what General Breedlove did was not considered to be insubordinate or outrageous that it cost him his command or forced him into early retirement.

    Is this interesting? Yes. It provides Americans a small window into how relationships and personalities matter at the strategic level. And how even a 4 Star Geographic Combatant Commander, for all the resources at hand, can feel isolated and cut off from the President because of events in other parts of the world (CENTCOM being the hot Area of Responsibility/AOR for the foreseeable future), the President’s advisors, other players in the Interagency, and simply geographic distance and being five time zones ahead. Had the President felt that what General Breedlove was doing was insubordinate he would have replaced him early thereby forcing him into early retirement. He didn’t and that provides us with some important information here.
    (Full disclosure: I do not know General Breedlove, but did provide some unclassified cultural operations support to EUCOM’s J9/Civil-Military Directorate while he was the Geographic Combatant Commander. I was also Temporarily Assigned Control (TACON) to his subordinate Army Service Component Commander, the Commander of US Army Europe, during 2014.)

  21. 21
    Prescott Cactus says:


    His law office is next to Pepe’s Palace. Cigars, Incense, Tobacco & Detox.

    Can’t make this stuff up

  22. 22
    Hal says:

    Rachel Maddow was talking about the end of dadt and how even she had doubts about President Obama’s strategy, and her comments made me realize again that Obama is probably the most second guessed president of modern times. That doesn’t dismiss bad decisions or miatakes by Obama, but the benefit of the doubt has not been a common reaction from many libs/dems/progressives over the past 7+ years.

  23. 23
    James E Powell says:

    I want to point & laugh at these dipshits, but I keep thinking of Timothy McVeigh.

  24. 24
    martian says:

    OT. Hey, Adam, what was that non Deet mosquito repellant I saw you recommend to somebody here? I swear I dropped it into my Amazon cart to pick up later but no sign of it now and, weirdly, none of the products I’m scanning through even looks familiar. Taking the kidlets camping by a river and don’t want to feed ticks and skeeters for miles around.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @martian: Here you go:

    Also comes in a pump spray. And they have a DEET version if you prefer it, as well as the stuff for your clothing and tent and sleeping bag, but not for your body.

  27. 27
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mark k:

    We know it’s not true because the general is complaining that Obama did not want to go to war when we all know that Obama is the warmongeringist warmongerer in all of human history!

  28. 28
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Hal: There are a couple of different issues: how much risk are you willing to assume is the first one. In terms of Europe the President has decided to assume a fair amount of risk, that taking economic actions through sanctions, as well as diplomatic actions, he can limit Putin’s actions to Crimea and parts of Eastern Ukraine. And to be blunt, and not to seem lacking in compassion to the Crimean’s and those trapped in Eastern Ukraine, no President is going to go to war with Russia and risk escalation to free Crimea.

    General Breedlove’s job, dual hatted as both the Commander of US European Command (EUCOM) and Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) is to ensure, to the best of his ability, that he provides the President with what he and his Staff believe is the most accurate assessments of the opportunities, challenges, and threats facing America’s interests, allies, and partners in Europe and NATO and to be prepared, should all other options to shape the environment using the other three elements of National power (Diplomatic, Informational, and Economic) fail to prevent a conflict, to apply Military power across all domains (Land, Sea, Air, Cyber, and if necessary Space) to shape the environment in the Area of Responsibility to win the conflict in as quick and decisive manner as possible. If he thinks his message isn’t getting through, or getting through clearly, it is his responsibility to do everything lawful, legal, and ethical to get his best understanding of the situation and recommendations to deal with it to the President.

    As I’ve written before: personalities matter and relationships matter. And it appears that General Breedlove was cognizant of this and attempted to leverage every relationship he could.

  29. 29
    Mary G says:

    One down, seven to go…I doubt any of the others will plead out; they seem like true believers.

    I got a call this morning from someone at Darrel Issa’s office – not an intern. He was calling me back from the fiasco that was the telephone town hall he held while John Lewis was sitting in for gun control. I was happy to give him an earful about gun control, climate change, fund Planned Parenthood, get rid of the F-35, and a bunch of other stuff.

    Lots of publications are saying that Darrel’s in Trump trouble, including Politico and LGBT Weekly:

    Given that history, few thought Retired Marine Col. Doug Applegate would be more than this year’s sacrificial lamb, losing big in June and by slightly less in November. Col. Applegate and voters had other ideas. Applegate got 45 percent of the primary vote, holding Issa to 51.5 percent and earning a spot in the November run-off.

    Party leaders and pundits have started to take note. Political handicapper Larry Sabato has moved the race from “Safe Republican” to “Likely Republican.”

    So I’ve decided to volunteer for Issa’s Democratic opponent, Doug Applegate. He’s by no means a liberal, but about the best we can do in this area. If you have any spare money, please donate it to him here.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @martian: This is the not for body stuff.
    DANGER: This very bad for cats when you are spraying clothes or while they are still wet from spraying.


  31. 31
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mary G: Hoo Rah!

  32. 32
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Happy now?

  33. 33
    martian says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you so much! According to some reviews I read, that stuff is supposed to be especially good for keeping off ticks which is my especial concern in the Midwestern badlands we’re camping in. God, I hate ticks. More than my kids, for sure, who wanted to keep the last pair I pulled off my daughter for pets. (“I’ll name mine Sally!” she said with great excitement but, alas, Sally was not long for this Vale of Tears…)

  34. 34
    NotMax says:


    Not Polly?

    (Polly Tick)

  35. 35
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @martian: You’re welcome. I will say that the pumps that come with the bottles are kind of meh. So if you have a pump spray bottle and the pump works well, I’d recommend transferring the Sawyers into it. Last time I bought them, they were on “top up your cart” special for like $3 per 3oz pump spray bottle. I got four or five bottles. Been using it before I take the dogs for walks here in swamp/wetland central in the evenings. Haven’t been bitten since I’ve been using it.

  36. 36
    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Mary G: Congrats on campaign volunteering !

  37. 37
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: oy…

  38. 38
    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: it’s Friday night before a long weekend. Was already happy, a Bundy update is added fun!

  39. 39
    redshirt says:

    @martian: Ticks are the only thing I fear in the forest.

    Sneaky bastards.

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh, and BTW, Klayman tried unsuccessfully again (3rd time, not a charm) to be admitted pro hace in Neveda. Lol.

  41. 41
    AnotherBruce says:

    Breedlove, Bofferding, what a thread. It’s coming across like a bad remake of Dr. Strangelove.

  42. 42
    Prescott Cactus says:

    800 — Cavalier Plea Document

    On any fine or restitution in an amount of $2,500 or more, l know that I
    will be required to pay interest unless that fine or restitution is paid within fifteen days
    from the date of the entry of judgment.

    That could add up.

  43. 43
    martian says:

    @Prescott Cactus: Thanks! I’m definitely wanting to coat the tent, just for starters.

    @NotMax: No, no preschool punning on politics. My girl’s affection for Sally was earnest, deep and sincere. They’d shared deeply during their brief connection, I suppose. And then I destroyed it all.

  44. 44
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: I’m pretty sure being accused of, and essentially being unable to refute, molesting your kids during the custody hearings doesn’t help his case.

    From Appeals Court Judge Mary Boyle, July 26,2012 [PDF]

    {¶25} The issues raised by Klayman involve credibility assessments made by the magistrate. Klayman challenges these findings. The magistrate heard evidence from the children’s pediatrician who reported allegations of sexual abuse to children services, and from a social worker at children services who found that sexual abuse was “indicated.” Although the social worker’s finding was later changed to “unsubstantiated” when Klayman appealed, the magistrate explained that the supervisor who changed the social worker’s finding did not testify. The magistrate pointed out that he was obligated to make his own independent analysis based upon the parties and the evidence before him. In doing so, the magistrate found on more than one occasion [Klayman] act[ed] in a grossly inappropriate manner with the children. His conduct may not have been sexual in the sense that he intended to or did derive any sexual pleasure from it or that he intended his children would. That, however, does not mean that he did not engage in those acts or that his behavior was proper.

    {¶26} The magistrate further found it significant that although Klayman denied any allegations of sexual abuse, he never denied that he did not engage in inappropriate behavior with the children. The magistrate further found it notable that Klayman, “for all his breast beating about his innocence * * * [he] scrupulously avoided being questioned by anyone from [children services] or from the Sheriff’s Department about the allegations,” and that he refused to answer any questions, repeatedly invoking his Fifth Amendment rights, about whether he inappropriately touched the children. “Even more disturbing” to the magistrate was the fact that Klayman would not even answer the simple question regarding what he thought inappropriate touching was. The magistrate stated that he could draw an adverse inference from Klayman’s decision not to testify to these matters because it was a civil proceeding, not criminal.

  45. 45
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Keep using social media to whine, Bundy Bunch supporters. It will just make it easier to make cases against you when it’s your turn to face the consequences of your treason.

  46. 46
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @martian: Sawyers makes a permethrin spray for doing that too.

  47. 47
    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    If looking for other “cart toppers” might I recommend these?

    Fantastic for the kitchen. One of those “don’t know how I lived without them” items. Not at all flimsy – nice heft to them, and available in colors to suit any decor. Also, can be run through the dishwasher.

  48. 48
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: I’ve got a set. I also got a silicone spring form pan with a glass bottom. So you just take the silicone ring off and boom your cheesecake is already on a platter ready to be cut!

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: that’s horrible (but not the reason he was denied). they asked for reargument without offering a basis.

  50. 50
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Considering who he is, pretty much everything about him is horrible.

  51. 51
    liberal says:

    OT: more evidence that, while hardly a fan, I’m gonna miss Obama: (link)

  52. 52
    martian says:

    @redshirt: Aren’t they, though? And they get in everywhere. I’m sort of appalled that every night of camping fun for my kids is going to end in s’mores and a strip search. Seems somehow unwholesome.

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks, will look for that.

  53. 53
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @liberal: you may want to check comment three and my replies to it…

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    liberal says:

    @Adam L Silverman: don’t know about K but I personally know of a case where the husband was accused of molesting his kids in a divorce proceedings, ended up being charged, and took a plea deal. But it was probably an uncle.

  55. 55
    🚸 Martin says:

    Jerry Brown signed 5 new gun control measures:

    — Outlaw assault rifles with a feature known as a bullet button, which allows shooters to use a small tool to quickly change magazines
    — Mandate background checks when a gun is loaned to someone other than a close relative of the owner
    — Boost penalties for filing false reports of stolen guns, a measure targeting straw purchasers who buy weapons on behalf of people prohibited from doing so
    — Create regulations for ammunition, including requirements that ammo sellers get a license and that purchases be screened
    — Ban possession of magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds, requiring people who already own them to turn them in to authorities

    There’s a large ballot initiative in Nov to address a number of additional issues.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @martian: in partial response to your reply to redshirt, you may want to use this to prepare them for the trip:

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    Prescott Cactus says:


    I’m definitely wanting to coat the tent, just for starters.

    As Adam mentioned to using the pump prayers are a pain.

    A seasoned traveler I know buys the permethrin 20% concentrate and waters it down to the .05% that Sawyer sells (calculator needed). Uses a 2 gallon weed sprayer, dedicated to permethrin only. Socks, shirts, pants and hats all get an application. Stuff is supposed to be good for 6 months or 6 washings. He’s big on Caribbean and Panama canal cruises.

    Not a recommendation, just a heads up. He doesn’t bark at the moon or talk to mailboxes, so it can’t be that bad a method. . .

  58. 58
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @liberal: These things are messy. I honestly have no idea what happened. But the guy is clearly nuts, didn’t actually refute the accusation, and went out of his way to actually try to refute the accusation by speaking to protective services investigators. I get that the guy is paranoid, and did I mention nuts – he once sued his mother (bad Jewish son, bad!), but you’d think if you’re innocent you’d want to get this cleared up.

  59. 59
    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I am allergic to pyrethrins in anti-flea stuff. The chemical that Prescott Cactus mentioned above – permethrin – sounds a lot like that, at least in name. I suspect I might have trouble with that, too.

    I can’t use DEET – to explain what happens when I use it would be TMI. It’s ugly. I am a bit worried about Zika since I can’t use anything they recommend.

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    redshirt says:

    @martian: Where are you located? I’m in Maine and Lyme’s disease is a real danger via ticks. That’s why I fear them – Lyme’s. I could give a shit if a I get bit.

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    liberal says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’m not speaking merely to some idea about Breedlove plotting. Rather, he’s a known hawk who IIRC wants us to confront another nuclear power on issues in which we have no national interest.

    Then again, you yourself have previously expressed apologia for actions Reagan took which almost resulted in the incineration of us all, so I doubt I’d have much reason to take your views on these matters seriously.

  62. 62
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Prescott Cactus: To clarify, I have no idea how their permethrin applicator works. I was referring to the spray pumps on their 3oz spray bottles of the picaridin formula for personal use.

  63. 63
    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Mark k: I treat every thread as an open thread, as I was taught by my beloved raven.

    The Bundy Bros saga will continue to have its interesting moments.

    @LAO: I’d almost feel left out that I wasn’t mentioned, but my week has been so shitty it doesn’t matter. I’d probably have bitched, because supra.

  64. 64
    liberal says:

    @Adam L Silverman: yeah, I know, I’m not saying it can never be true.

  65. 65
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: You want picaridin:

    Permethrin is not for personal use! Just for treating tents and the outward fabric of one’s clothes.

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    redshirt says:

    I’ve pretty much eliminated mosquitoes from my area by aggressively removing all standing water around my property. Any homeowner should think about standing water in their immediate vicinity and do everything they can to remove it.

    Sometimes there’s nothing you can do, but often there is.

  67. 67
    Schlemazel Khan says:

    I admit to not really paying much attention to the Bundy Bunch’s legal situation so I have to ask, whats the get out of jail free deal judge Douchette all about? Is it some sov cit BS?

    Also, for some reason I read that as “Cadaver Plea Document” It was funnier that way so no lose

  68. 68
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @liberal: I have no idea which actions of Reagan’s you’re referring to. All I did in my response was explain what happened from the point of view of someone who works within the system. I didn’t advocate for confronting Russia. And, to be very honest, in the unclassified cultural operations report I wrote for the Army on Ukraine I specifically and explicitly stated that using military force to reverse the Russian repossession of Crimea would be a strategic mistake.

    Or you can just insult me.

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    NotMax says:


    One of the advantages of smoking (cigars). The skeeters don’t come anywhere close.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Or you could just ignore him, its the best he deserves.

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    redshirt says:

    @NotMax: In real mosquito country, smoke means little. Bug spray means little. Life is short and brutish.

    Do you have mosquitos in HI?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you. I added it to my Amazon cart so I’ll remember what it is when I am ready to try it. I have such a bad reaction to all the regular commercial stuff that it will be obvious if I have a problem with this. Just in case, I will have to stay at home when I try it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @WaterGirl: You’re welcome and good luck.

  74. 74
    WaterGirl says:

    @redshirt: I have wondered about that. Do I need to get rid of all my bird baths? Or just be very vigilant about spraying them out every day and refilling?

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    Mike J says:

    Bernie bunch apologize for trying to take over all the special interest caucuses in Nebraska, ousting long time leader of the Latino caucus.

    I’m 100% convinced that there are Paulites running things in Bernie-land. While the apologizing isn’t like them, the trying to shut out everybody else is.

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    redshirt says:

    @WaterGirl: I just got a birdbath and I also got this nifty little solar water pump that makes a nice little spray that keeps the water moving and solves any bug problems. Highly recommended.

    If you’re changing the water daily you’ll have no issues. It takes a couple of days of stagnant water to start causing problems.

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    Mark k says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    thank you for this, there was a tremendous amount of info I didn’t consider before reading this.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    To clarify, I have no idea how their permethrin applicator works. I was referring to the spray pumps on their 3oz spray bottles of the picaridin formula for personal use.

    Thats for clarity that I should have brought to the table right off the bat.

    The stuff I mentioned is to sprayed on clothes before you go on any adventure, not while you are wearing them and never around a cat. You allow it to dry and it stays inbedded in the material for up to 6 washings.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Curious about when you mention the option of Space in a comment above. Without going into technical detail are you referring strictly to intel and reconnaissance, to something more stepped up (such as satellite-to-satellite aggression), or the utilization of orbital weaponry (in violation of treaty)?

    (I’m not in any way saying you suggested violating a treaty, rather found the inclusion of space as a discrete option unclear.)

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    martian says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Ooh, that’ll really come in handy if we do the Disney pilgrimage we sometimes think about. Just to clarify, it’s not bad touch if the government does it, right?

    @redshirt: Illinois, so only a moderate risk for Lyme. Not like Maine, holy shit. But that would be why I’m shying off camping in Wisconsin with the kids right now. I still don’t want to find myself trying to find a wifi hot spot out in the country so’s I can google image ticks I pull off the youngins, though, you know?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @redshirt: Thanks. Do you have a link for the nifty little solar water pump?

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    Mark k says:


    this is kinda my thing with it too; it sounds, well, true. have a general get support and facts and opinions to make his case, its taken under consideration, and acted upon, turned to warm, or dismissed/rejected. the president saying to not drag us into unnecessarily wars seems spot on, too.

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    redshirt says:

    @martian: Only the deer tick transmits Lymes. It’s small and brown.

    Remember if a tick has already attached, do not rip it out. Instead lift the body so it’s in a straight vertical line with the head and then pull off. You’re trying to avoid having the head rip off when you pull the tick.

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    Bill_D says:

    @redshirt: Mosquito larvae need still water so they can breathe while up at the surface. Wave action messes them up so they can’t breathe. Unlike most aquatic insects they need to breathe air.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mark k: You’re welcome. Do I think General Breedlove was leaning far more forward than the President on this? Yes. Is here more hawkish than the President? Yes, but clearly the President didn’t see this as disqualifying of him serving in that position. Do I think he really did anything wrong? No, if he had the President would have replaced him.

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    martian says:

    @Prescott Cactus: Very interesting, thanks. Worth consideration for when we start doing more advanced camping.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I think the authors, or the editor of the piece that did the headline, have over written their report.

    The Intercept did that?

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    Clem says:

    We have our first capitulation err, um, plea agreement of one of the 26 fine upstanding Patriots charged in the Ammon Bundy led Malheur Federal Wildlife Refuge takeover and occupation.

    I think 5 or 6 defendants have already changed their pleas to guilty. They will likely get off with minimum.

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    Doug R says:

    For a non chemical skeeter solution, you might be able to get this:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: I basically put it there to be thorough. We have the following domains: Land, Sea, Air, Cyber, and Space. My work is, for obvious reasons, within the Land domain and has largely been concerned with Landpower or the effects of Sea or Air Power on the Land domain. I don’t pay a whole lot of attention to the Space domain and don’t know a lot about it. Like I said, just trying to be thorough.

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    NotMax says:


    In the rain forest and moister areas, certainly. Dengue fever outbreaks every few years. Elsewhere, barely am ever aware of any.

    Friend lives way, way out in the rain forest. When I visit, if we’re outdoors, he’s swatting and slapping as a matter of course. I remain a non-tempting target and am blissfully unattacked.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman: No Offworld Domain?

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @martian: you are welcome.

    It should be sprayed only on the clothes or cloth materials, not when you are wearing them and away from cats. Allow them to dry and the chemical stays in the clothes for 6 washings

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Just Outworld:
    Start at 1:20

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    Doug R says:

    Here’s the Original Bug Shirt’s Website

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    Mark k says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    do you think this “news” was “leaked” in any way, or shaped as it is, in relation to his retiring? like, this was leading up to him retiring and held, or more like a kick in the pants on the way out? or, just a coincidence with hacked email stories?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: I know enough about the Air and Sea domains and Power to teach lessons on them. Cyber too as I had done some stuff on cyber crime and terrorism before going to work for the Army. But I don’t know anything about the Space domain other than we have it and the proponent for handling it is the Air Force.

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    Mike J says:

    @Baud: A new life awaits you in the off-world colonies! A chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure!

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thank you for clarifying.

    2 totally different products for 2 different uses.

    Spraying a large number of items with any hand pump sprayer is a pain.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Which makes some sense, as they have Vandenberg.

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    Doug R says:

    @Mike J: NASA just released recruiting posters for Mars

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: An arms race in space would do wonders for the space program. We’d have air force bases in the clouds of Venus in short order. Marine bases on Titan. The army on the Moon. A space navy occupying all important inner solar system orbits.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mark k: I have no idea. From the article, he appears to have softened his stance a bit since retiring. That may simply be distance. Before he was living in Stuttgart, traveling throughout Europe meeting with his counterparts in other European militaries and the EU. So it was up close, personal, in his face, and I would expect/imagine he was getting a lot of “what is the US going to do?” Or “we’re worried we’re next?” That can impact how one is looking at the information and intelligence one is reviewing on what is going on.

    As someone who’s primary job for the Army for eight years was to be an advisor, I can tell you that it was my responsibility to stay fully on top of everything within my assigned areas that the commander needed to know; provide the most candid and accurate assessments and recommended courses of action; argue/push for them firmly, but politely; and then move out sharply once the decision to do or not do or do something completely else was give. This was followed by monitoring and staying on top of the issue so that I was prepared to tell the commander what he needed to know, not what he wanted to hear, should the issue come back up for reconsideration.

    From what I read in that article, that’s what General Breedlove did. He never violated his orders, he never escalated anything, he never tried to weasel out and create a fait accompli or manufacture a casus belli. All he did was leverage every relationship he had to try to impress on the President his, and his staff’s, understanding of how serious the situation was. I would argue that had he not done so he would have been derelict in his duties.

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    EBT says:

    Isn’t he about the fifth plea deal? Just the only one of the inner circle who copped out.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Prescott Cactus: Or just a large item such as myself!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: It also makes sense when you think about the institutional Air Force. The US Air Force does a masterful job of protecting its existing resources and programs while arguing for and/or expanding into resource and program areas that they think they can get. The Air Force Staff is very, very good at doing this. I don’t think that the Space Domain is outside of their scope anyway, but even if it was, I guarantee they would have tried to be given proponency for it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: I don’t think anyone wants a space based arms race. You want to talk about destabilizing, that would do it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @EBT: Most likely.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s inevitable. Why not seize the domain before anyone else can?

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Oh lord, yes. Took them too many years to finally throw in the towel on pushing for nuclear powered planes.

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    RoonieRoo says:

    Now THAT is what I call an update.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Well they did find the Musashi, its sister ship. So anything is possible!


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Talk about a chemtrail problem!

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    redshirt says:

    @NotMax: I loved that show as a child. I still have drawings of the Yamato in space battles from way back when.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Musashi vs. Titanic. In space. A SYFY movie just waiting to be made.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: There’s this:

    And this, which is mostly closer to what you’re discussing. The Yamato vs the Bismark!

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You may be a big guy, but deep down I’ll bet you’re a teddy bear.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman


    Talk about understatement. From the same page:

    “One inadequately solved design problem was the need for heavy shielding to protect the crew from acute radiation syndrome.”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: though this was really funny:

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Ya think?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Prescott Cactus: This is a big guy!

    Makes me look tiny!

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    He looks like a bear, not a teddy bear.

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    Keith P. says:

    I’m going to hell for this, but every time I see Ryan Bundy, I hear this little voice in my head go “Avast ye, mayyyy-teeees. Now where’s me piratin’ hat?!?”

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Oh my. Guess The Jetsons was too retro.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Tony J:

    Hi Tony,

    Swearage isn’t usually a problem here at Balloon-Juice; after all, it’s John Cole in charge, ex-cavalry tanker. But sometimes we get other banned words like medicle things, or chancy gameing things, even embedded inside longer words.

    Like the socailist workers party, if spelled correctly, has an erecting medicament inside it. This is more likely than a swearing kinda word. Hoping this doesn’t get moderated!

    Also, good comment!

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    Gravenstone says:


    I am allergic to pyrethrins in anti-flea stuff. The chemical that Prescott Cactus mentioned above – permethrin – sounds a lot like that, at least in name. I suspect I might have trouble with that, too.

    You should indeed be cautious if you’re allergic to pyrethrin. Permethrin is extremely similar chemically (they belong to the same family, Pyrethroids) and likely would have similar effect upon you.

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    Gin & Tonic says:


    Only the deer tick transmits Lymes. It’s small and brown.

    This is not true.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Gravenstone: Thanks for the advice. I had pneumonia 3 times in my twenties until we figured out I was allergic to the pyrethrins in anti-flea stuff.

    And even just a little mosquito repellent, especially with DEET, has me running for the bathroom and there had better not be anyone in my way. My body is apparently very efficient about getting rid of something it does not like.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Well at least this Klayman fellow needs to be prohibited from contact with any young people without an observer present. I would prefer a long prison sentence, so that there would be no question of his ability to be alone with youngsters.

    I served on two capital murder case juries, two weeks each, and the day of Grand Jury duty with multiple cases of sexual abuse of minors and people incapable of consent was the worst by far. So, not saying Klayman is guilty of anything, no way to know from here, but the vulnerable must be protected from potential predators.

    This is worse than the occupiers of the loon preserve! Who coulda thunk that?

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    J R in WV says:


    Well, ticks, and mountain lions. We have lots of ticks here in WV, but sometimes run across lion sign in Arizona.

    One stalked me after a summer mountain fire drove the game into the farmed valley, lions following the deer and antelope. Very creepy. Huge cat! If the wind hadn’t changed I may have been cat chow.

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    J R in WV says:


    Someone imported mosquitoes to HI deliberately, to get back at a neighbor. So hard to imagine! I don’t like to think about the potential penalties for such an act!

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    redshirt says:

    @Gin & Tonic: The first part or the second part. Or both?

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    WaterGirl says:

    @J R in WV: I am grateful that the wind changed! We like having you here.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Apparently.

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    redshirt says:

    @J R in WV: Yes, I’d add mountain lions too, but they don’t live up here in the North. The black bear and the moose are the largest, most theoretically dangerous mammals. And neither is very dangerous. Bears are scaredy cats, and moose are just dumb. It’s real bad luck if these two do anything bad to you. Otherwise, you have nothing to fear from either. Nor from anything else in the state. It’s a wonderful feeling I’ve come to learn, having visited the swamps of Florida.

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    redshirt says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I think it’s actually true though.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Mary G: Done.

    Thanks for making sure that Issa knows that you’re not happy with him. Moving him out of DC would be wonderful!


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    J R in WV says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    It is according to the CDC and our Vet… the tiniest little tick, 1/8 inch. I still have the brochure they gave us when we got the dogs vaccinated for Lyme.

    Other ticks pass on other diseases, like Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. A friend’s wife got that, was nearly completely paralyzed until they figured out what she had. The testing for some of these rare diseases leaves a lot to be desired.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @redshirt: The tick Ixodes Scapularis is “small” in nymph stage, but the adult is nearly the size of the Dermacentor Variabilis, and is infectious in that stage of its life cycle as well.

    I know a lot about tick-borne diseases, and Lyme is certainly not the worst of them.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    Here is an excellent document on tick-borne diseases.

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    redshirt says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Well, let us agree that ticks = bad. I’m on a 100% exterminate tick program.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    That is good, thanks! I just pulled a free-walking tiny tick off Mrs J while I was fixing dinner!! They’re terrible this year!

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    Suffragete City elftx says:

    Thanks Adam for the update. I saw talk on face book about Blaine Cooper and get the feeling he turned down a plea bargain but have not seen any reporting on it.

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    J R in WV says:

    The tick I got off Mrs J a couple of hours ago was a Lone Star Tick !! The first time I knew what to look for. They aren’t supposed to be common here, either.

    So G&T, thanks so muck for the comprehensive CDC document you linked to. Very useful!

    I had the tick in a paper cup with some alcohol, and looked it over before discarding the deceased little monster, and there was the little white spot. Yuck@!! I hates bugs!! especially disease transmitting bugs!

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