Open Thread: Donald Trump, Insult Muppet

As you probably know, Donald Trump went to Scotland yesterday, not as a politician but to ballyhoo his idiot son’s second vanity-project golf resort. Since his arrival coincided with the #Brexit vote, he seized the opportunity to yammer jingoistic garbage — and the Scots were quick to respond. The tweet above, via Quartz, is my personal favorite so far. (Rough translation: “Go away you hamster-topped idiot, go boil your head [to make moron soup]”.) But there’s a rich lode for mining: polyester cockwomble; weaselheaded fucknugget; tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon…

Buzzfeed has a nice selection, too — witless fucking cocksplat! Mangled apricot hellbeast! SPOON! [as in: Too dumb to be allowed the use of a fork].

Lord Short Thumbs is such a chaos muppet, he’s even managed to break Reddit. Per Jesse Singal at NYMag:

Ever since it became clear that Donald Trump was a serious threat to win the Republican presidential nomination, people have pointed out that the man doesn’t seem to hold solid, ideologically grounded positions in the way most politicians do. Many politicians flip-flop and present a massaged version of themselves in national elections, of course, but in Trump’s case there doesn’t appear to be much there there. He speaks in the language of resentment — his platform is simply Screw you, elites and Screw you, immigrants, screamed over and over at a deafening volume.

Much the same can be said about his most dedicated online followers. They are obsessed with fighting social-justice warriors, with breaking what they see as the chafing constrictions of “political correctness.” It’s a formula that works: People can’t get enough of arguments about who is offending whom, whether people are too outraged, whether people are too outraged over other people’s outrage, and so on.

For these and other reasons, tDonald Trump subreddit, r/The_Donald, has become one of the largest, most active and most influential places for Trump fans to gather, to the point where it has garnered major media attention, hosted AMAs with alt-right heroes like Milo Yiannopoulos and Ann Coulter, and, naturally, pissed off hordes of progressives with its denizens’ over-the-top antics.

But all is not well at r/The_Donald. Earlier this week, the moderator most responsible for launching the subreddit to its current lofty perch, CisWhiteMaelstrom (known more recently as Dylan-W), was removed from his position by the subreddit’s own mods, according to a post from those mods that went up late Tuesday. His story offers a tidy online microcosm of the Trump phenomenon itself, of the question of what it means to perform outrage online and how the act of doing so can be used for selfish and manipulative purposes…

The moderator responsible for the banning explained to Singal:

… Dylan-W/CisWhiteMaelstrom privately told me about this plan of his to create an alt right subreddit, to hand it over to white nationalist celebrities Jared Taylor, Walt Bismarck, and Richard Spencer, and to promote it on /r/the_donald using /u/Dylan-W. Having a moderator of the largest pro-Trump subreddit promote people that Trump himself would disavow does nothing to help Trump. It does, however, give credibility to the left wing narrative that Trump’s campaign is built on racism. Back in February Cis was helping us to keep white nationalists out of /r/the_donald, now he’s looking into promoting them and recruiting some of their leaders to run things. I do not support white nationalists and I don’t have reason to believe that Cis personally holds the views of these people. That said, this is not about what any one person on the moderator list believes in. This is about doing what is best for Donald Trump. The people who Cis said he would hand control of an alt right subreddit to are people who promote the idea of creating a white ethnostate in the United States. They are people that Trump would want nothing to do with. Just as Trump would, we disavow them…

Just in case you were worried that the public antics of the nuttier #BernOuts made the Democrats look like the biggest bunch of self-obsessed nitpickers and conspiracy theorists in modern American politics.

173 replies
  1. 1
    Hunter Gathers says:

    2016 : Year Of The Nutter

  2. 2
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    polyester cockwomble; weaselheaded fucknugget; tiny fingered, Cheeto-faced, ferret wearing shitgibbon…witless fucking cocksplat! Mangled apricot hellbeast! SPOON! [as in: Too dumb to be allowed the use of a fork].

    Hey, now, is that any way to talk about a Baby Christian?

    H/T rikyrah

  3. 3
    satby says:

    Cis/WhiteMaelstrom?? Seriously?

  4. 4

    I need a translation, the linked article has more jargon than a Physical Review paper.

  5. 5



    How did so many people get so butthurt about like 0.01% of the population using academic feminist discourse on Twitter?

  6. 6
    Emma says:

    The only amusing thing about that day was following the insult parade.

  7. 7
    Emma says:

    @Major Major Major Major: And the aggrandizing “Maelstrom.” Probably not even a bathtub drain.

  8. 8
    Elmo says:

    And once again: “Why do all these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?”
    It’s evergreen.
    ETA: to clarify, this is my reaction whenever I see clearly race-baiting politicians who are shocked! shocked! to discover that they are being embraced by white nationalists and neo-Nazis.

  9. 9

    From the post on the decision to ban Cis:

    Banning people for objecting to rape is something that the other full permissions mods do not agree with.

    That’s, uh, a pretty low bar.

  10. 10

    Am I the only one who is bored with Trump and his antics?

  11. 11

    And in other news, George F. Will has left the GOP because of Trump. Funny, it was his party when they basically held the country hostage and used thinly-veiled racism and dog whistles to do everything to destroy President Obama, not to mention the trashing of the Clintons and supporting a war started on lies, but now that they have someone who says all of that out loud, he decides to flounce? Set it to music, George.

  12. 12
    Elizabelle says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: No. Not at all.

  13. 13
    RSA says:

    The people who Cis said he would hand control of an alt right subreddit to are people who promote the idea of creating a white ethnostate in the United States. They are people that Trump would want nothing to do with. Just as Trump would, we disavow them.

    If only it were possible, somehow, for Trump to remove the ambiguity here…

  14. 14

    @Elizabelle: I am not even annoyed or angry any more. I just find him beneath contempt. Is the best that Republicans can offer. Sad.

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    rikyrah says:

    A Note About Trumpism, From the Real America

    For the past week my wife Deb and I have been in western Kansas — Dodge City mainly, also Garden City, briefly Spearville. There will be a lot more to report in coming days on the economic, cultural, and political news from this part of the country. What you see above is something that touches all of those themes: me talking with Kevin Heeke, the mayor of Spearville, about the hundreds of wind turbines that have transformed the economy of the wheat- and corn-farming regions in this extremely windy part of the country.

    These cities of western Kansas, Dodge City and Garden City, are both now majority-Latino. People from Mexico are the biggest single immigrant group, and they are here mainly for work in the area’s big meat-packing plants. Others are from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Cuba, and more recently Somalia and Sudan, among other countries. You might think of Kansas as stereotypical whitebread America. It’s pure America, all right — but American in the truest sense, comprising people who have come from various corners of the world to improve their fortunes.

    Every single person we’ve met here — Anglo and Latino, African and Burmese and other, old and young, native-born and immigrant, male and female, well-educated and barely literate, working three jobs and retired and still in school—of all these people, we’ve asked the same questions. Namely: how has Kansas handled this shift in demography? And how does it sound, in this politically and culturally conservative part of the country, to hear the national discussion about “building a wall,” about making America “a real country again,” of the presumptive Republican nominee saying even today that Americans are “angry over borders, they’re angry over people coming into the country and taking over, nobody even knows who they are.”

    And every single person we have spoken with — Anglo and Latino and other, old and young, native-born and immigrant, and so on down the list — every one of them has said: We need each other! There is work in this community that we all need to do. We can choose to embrace the world, or we can fade and die. And we choose to embrace it. (The unemployment rate in this area, by the way, is under 3 percent, and every business we’ve talked with has “help wanted” notices out.)

    This is in small-town western Kansas. And it is what we have heard in every discussion. I could give 50 examples, and eventually will, but here is one for now. A white man who grew up in this area, and works in construction, told us a few days ago: I wasn’t sure about the change in town. It’s different. But these people want to work. They want a better life for their children. We need them. Without them, we would shrivel up.

  16. 16
    Ben Cisco says:

    Having a moderator of the largest pro-Trump subreddit promote people that Trump himself would disavow does nothing to help Trump. It does, however, give credibility to the left wing narrative that Trump’s campaign is built on racism

    Yeah, I’m going to go ahead and call bullshite on this one.

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    MattF says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Not bored exactly, but definitely weary of it. Der Trump is actually a very limited person, and once you’ve got the picture, there’s only a limited range of snark that makes sense. I was pleased when he took a Scottish vacation– it gave a whole new nationality a chance to think up novel insults.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    That’s very heartening. Would that we could see it reflected in voting patterns.

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    @rikyrah: Why are the parts of US where GOP is dominant, real America?
    Are Massachusetts, NY or California fake America? I don’t like this stupid MSM terminology.

  20. 20
    gindy51 says:

    @rikyrah: But he’ll still vote for Trump because R.

  21. 21
    rikyrah says:

    BNO NewsVerified account
    Petition on UK parliamentary website calling for a 2nd EU referendum with a 60% win requirement surpasses 2 million

  22. 22
    NotMax says:

    They’re not called base for naught.

    Trump at the mic, launching into full-on time share salesman mode, was astonishingly inept.

  23. 23
    raven says:

    @NotMax: What, his Florida golf course isn’t cool?

  24. 24
    rikyrah says:

    really? seriously?

    Edward Hardy
    Spoke to ‘Leave’ voters who say result wasn’t meant to happen. They hoped to make a point, show frustration with EU, not cause Brexit #EURef

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    JanieM says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: This.

    I remember asking on another blog, some years ago, a rhetorical question along these lines: “Brooklyn and Boston aren’t the ‘real’ America? Are you sh!tt!ing me?” Half the country can probably be linked to people whose ancestors lived in Brooklyn at one point or another.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    I think a lot of this applies to the US and Trump voters, and Sanders voters to a degree.

    This taps into a much broader cultural and political malaise, that also appears to be driving the rise of Donald Trump in the US. Amongst people who have utterly given up on the future, political movements don’t need to promise any desirable and realistic change. If anything, they are more comforting and trustworthy if predicated on the notion that the future is beyond rescue, for that chimes more closely with people’s private experiences. The discovery of the ‘Case Deaton effect’ in the US (unexpected rising mortality rates amongst white working classes) is linked to rising alcohol and opiate abuse and to rising suicide rates. It has also been shown to correlate closely to geographic areas with the greatest support for Trump. I don’t know of any direct equivalent to this in the UK, but it seems clear that – beyond the rhetoric of ‘Great Britain’ and ‘democracy’ – Brexit was never really articulated as a viable policy, and only ever as a destructive urge, which some no doubt now feel guilty for giving way to.

    ‘Blow it up’ is part of the appeal. Clearly George Will is still hopeful of the future. Ryan perhaps less so.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    I have to admit, the various flavors of Brit do seem to do invective much better than us North Americans (sorry, Canadians, but I think you’re too much like us). “Tangerine ballsack” was my favorite pithy one from yesterday.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Elections have consequences, dumbasses. This ain’t “Pop Idol.”

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    HinTN says:

    @gindy51: Yes, and I bet a lot of those people they need don’t vote.

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    JanieM says:

    Then again, if the real point of the headline @rikyrah quoted is to say that the “real” America is the one where all of us from our diverse origins work together, then I’m all for it.

    (ETA: It’s hard to keep up in these comment threads; I’m still getting the hang of it. This was an addendum to my comment at 25.)

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    Ian says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    It goes back to Palin in 08. She refered to a “real America” (read Republican America). It probably also has roots to the “fly-over state” arguement conservatives used to bash the “coastal elites”.

    The beauty of it is now I call myself a United Statesian. I want no part of this ‘Murika fuck yeah theme they got going.

  32. 32
    Elizabelle says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: There’s the truth.

    As much as Republicans abhor his non-dog whistling, he was the best offered up among the 14 or 17 candidates. (Aside from Kasich, who was less nonsensical but even more a true Koolaid drinker).

    They would do well to remember that. They won’t.

    Just went out for groceries around the corner.

    Shopkeeper: “Where are you from?”

    Me: “United States. Virginia.”

    Shopkeeper: “Barack Obama!”

    I wish we could keep him, so he could keep us safe and sane, longer.

    ETA: Shopkeeper was from Bangladesh.

  33. 33
    NotMax says:


    If you heard it, he really does at one point call it Florida and then corrects it to Scotland.

    Because, of course, the terrain looks so much alike that anyone would naturally confuse the two. :)

  34. 34
    Gvg says:

    Why exactly does that uh sub Reddit editor think trump would disavow white racists? Why does he think the other banned editor not hold those racist opinions? Either he is from an innocent monastery, he is dumb, or he is lying so Reddit as a whole doesn’t look racist.

  35. 35
    rikyrah says:

    The Obama Administration Makes Its Biggest Move Against For-Profit Colleges
    The nation’s worst college accreditor is about lose its own accreditation.

    by Paul Glastris
    June 24, 2016 7:55 PM

    With Donald Trump and Brexit wiping out all other stories, here’s one you’re likely to have missed—and it’s actually good news! Yesterday, in a surprisingly bold move, federal regulators voted to recommend shutting down the nation’s largest accreditor of for-profit colleges.

    The 10-3 decision, handed down Thursday by the National Advisory Committee on Institutional Quality and Integrity[NACIQI], effectively eliminates access to federal financial aid to hundreds of schools accredited by the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools[ACICS]that enroll nearly 800,000 students.

    Accreditors are nonprofits that are supposed to act as the watchdogs of higher education. They determine, among other things, which colleges are fit to receive federal student grants and loans. Some accreditors are tougher graders than others, however. ACICS is infamous in ed policy circles for being “the ‘rocks for jocks’ of accreditors,” Ben Miller of the Center for American Progress told me in a phone interview this morning. Now NACIQI, which is in essence the watchdog of the watchdogs, is recommending ACICS be euthanized.

    It’s not hard to see why. ACICS was the accreditor for Corinthian Colleges, the for-profit behemoth that went bankrupt two years ago after the Department of Education found it was falsifying job placement rates and misleading students about financial aid obligations and cut off its federal funds—an action that was the domino-like result of a Washington Monthly investigation. ACICS also gave its blessings to FastTrain, a Miami-based for-profit college chain whose owner was convicted last fall on multiple counts of theft of government property. FastTrain ex-employees testified that the college forged high school diplomas for prospective students who lacked the real thing and boosted enrollment “by hiring former strippers as recruiter, some of whom wore “short skirts and stiletto heels” to work.”

    Last year, ACICS’s then-president faced a withering interrogation by Sen. Elizabeth Warren. But instead of admitting the organization’s gross dereliction of duty, he inexplicably defended the group’s quality control processes. To Elizabeth Warren.

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    hamletta says:

    @JanieM: This is James Fallows. He meant it ironically, he just didn’t use scare quotes.

  37. 37
    raven says:

    @NotMax: That was what I meant.

  38. 38
    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I’m bored with Trump himself, but I still enjoy seeing people insult him.

    BTW, I’ve started getting ads here offering me Hindi TV on DirecTV, which I blame on all of the fabulous movie clips you’ve been providing for us.

  39. 39
    bemused says:

    No wonder Trump has diehard fans. Trump is an ignorant twit and proud of it, someone they can really relate to.
    It’s really astonishing how little Trump knows of the world or just about anything and has not even a tinge of embarrassment.

  40. 40
    Gvg says:

    The real America only being white and rural theme goes back way further than Palin. I can’t remember how long ago I first heard it. I also suspect the general sentiment predates this country. She did make me exceptionally mad. I wanted to yell I am just as real as you. Tough luck if you don’t like every American. I don’t either but we are all real people.

  41. 41
    Elizabelle says:

    @NotMax: They gots golf courses.

    Although only one locale has gators waiting in the shallows.

  42. 42
    DemJayhawks says:

    @rikyrah: I’m sure they all sounded so nice when speaking to Fallows, but all one needs to know is revealed by the election results from those two counties.

  43. 43
    rikyrah says:

    Hey Kay,

    Did you see this?


    Like Clinton, Tom Perez Has Shown Himself to Be a Pragmatic Workhorse
    by Nancy LeTourneau
    June 24, 2016 8:56 AM

    Over the next month, the biggest news of the campaign season will be the vice presidential picks of the two candidates. As such, pundits are spending a fair amount of time these days prognosticating about the various possibilities.

    On the Democratic side, that talk has zeroed in on three potential candidates: Tim Kaine, Elizabeth Warren and Julian Castro. What is interesting about that three-some is that each one appeals to a different constituency that has been highlighted during the primary. Kaine is the establishment favorite, Warren appeals to the Sanders constituency and Castro would mean having a person of color on the ticket.

    To the extent that Clinton herself is considered “establishment,” I previously wrote about how Labor Secretary Tom Perez – as a progressive Latino – covers both of the other two constituencies and has the potential to unite the divisions that have surfaced recently. While he isn’t gaining much notice from “insiders,” Justin Miller took a pretty deep dive into Perez’s background in the summer issue of the American Prospect.

    The article walks you through the accomplishments of Perez in the Obama administration as Secretary of Labor, including everything from the new overtime rule to removing the federal overtime and minimum-wage exemption for home-care and domestic workers.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Now watching that Brit series about “Death in the Caribbean” or whatever.

    The Spanish subtitles are so helpful. I can read so much easier than I can speak.

    And: this channel does not have commercials. How cool is that?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Isn’t it only within, like, the last 70 years or so that the US became majority urban dwellers rather than rural dwellers?

    Of course, for people like these idiots, “urban” has a totally different connotation than “place with a dense population.”

  46. 46
    Elizabelle says:

    @rikyrah: I heart Tom Perez.

    Would like to see him as VP pick.

    Great guy. Not a senator.

  47. 47

    @Elizabelle: “Death in Paradise” is a great show. I have to turn on the closed-captioning so I can understand some of the accents.

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    Smiling Mortician says:

    @Mnemosyne: Actually, it was ludicrous tangerine ballsack. Much better rhythm.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @rikyrah: I think there’s a large segment of the population that don’t believe elections matter, that:

    1) Their vote is so small, that government is corrupt that elections will be ignored, and so on.
    2) That elections have turned into entertainment and not governance and are therefore not serious.

    If you take my previous post, that people are disinvested in the future and therefore disinvested in the results of elections, that voting becomes more a matter of expressing opinion. And given that we cover elections as entertainment, and we take graduated lessons from results (a close election will often result in some policy result even for the loser or a lesser result for the winner compared to a blowout. Candidates are always eager to claim a mandate) that putting an extra vote behind a losing campaign has value.

    And to an extent they’re probably correct. Even though Leave lost, I’m pretty sure they won’t leave. Cameron said he’d immediately trigger Article 50 if the referendum passed, but he didn’t – he resigned instead and left that job to his successor. Effectively he’s not resigning because it passed, he resigning because he is refusing to respect the fact that it passed. Parliament will now meet and do two things:

    1) have a vote on staying or leaving as an advisory position to the PM
    2) choose a new PM who will claim that Parliament wishing to remain leaves the PM in an impossible position and rather than risk the unknown they will remain.

    Maybe have another referendum as cover (what can you lose), or just dismiss it entirely and deal with the political consequences. In the meantime, they can enact a number of policies to address the real concerns of the Leave crowd which will settle everyone out.

    But in the end the result of the election will likely be ignored – at least as presented, the voters won’t really have had the direct result they were promised. They will get some concessions out of it (which their protests votes were really intending to produce), and in the end the consequence of the vote will have been blunted to the point that future voters will continue to not take it seriously.

    For the sake of elections mattering, Cameron should have issued Article 50 immediately and remained in office to see it through in the best possible way. But the cynical voters will have been proven right.

    Voters in the US, particularly on the right don’t believe elections matter either. The people they vote for never follow through. They always weasel out of their most extreme positions. The right interpret this (as do many Sanders voters) as having to find even more extreme people who can negotiate back to a sensible (to them) point. But it also means that they vote for thing that they know will never happen. It’s just entertainment now. It has no real meaning.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Yeah. I like the closed captioning (in Spanish).

    If people around here walked around with captioning, I would be killing it. As it is … no. Nada.

    True about the Brit accents. I think with some series it’s the background noise/music too (not this one, but it’s been a problem with other series.)

  51. 51
    JanieM says:

    @Ian: It goes back way further than 2008. From here:

    It’s rural America. It’s where I came from. We always refer to ourselves
    as real America. Rural America, real America, real, real, America.
    — Vice President Dan Quayle

    It probably precedes Quayle by many decades, for that matter.

  52. 52
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Smiling Mortician:

    Ah, yes, that was it. Thank you!

  53. 53
    Elmo says:

    @rikyrah: As a corporate drone whose job is intimately tied to the various Dept of Labor rules, I can’t help it – Tom Perez is anathema to me.
    I know, I’m a bad progressive. But the Dept of Labor has been hideous under his watch. Not because rules are stricter – I’m all in favor of stricter rules – but because they have been entirely ad hoc and without guidance, incredibly vague, and with a lot of “Good question – we’ll get back to you later on that.”
    I know, pity the poor corporations. But the only way to get real improvement is to make rules that are clear. Rules that armies of lawyers can’t figure out because the regulatory guidance hasn’t been issued yet, but are going to be enforced anyway – that’s just a recipe for chaos and gamesmanship.

  54. 54
    JanieM says:

    @hamletta: Ah, thanks for the clarification.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I saw that.

  56. 56
    O. Felix Culpa says:

    OT: (is that a thing on an open thread?), Microsoft wants to update me to Windows 10. Should I let it? It’s on a relatively new laptop with few documents so far and no apps that would be incompatible with 10. Thanks for any knowledgeable insight given. My Google research has proven inconclusive.

    On another note, marched for Hillary in today’s Santa Fe Pride. Lots of cheers from onlookers for Madam President.

  57. 57
    EBT says:

    Some day people will learn to respect the noble mustalids.

    Re Win 10: Make a restore point grab your free license and dive back if you don’t like the experience now.

  58. 58
    Old Broad in California says:

    Trump is like those ugly Americans you cringe to see when you’re on vacation in Mexico. Loud, obnoxious and wrong about everything, calls everyone “Amigo”, not a shred of embarrassment or self-awareness.

  59. 59
    Elizabelle says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Yippee for you re the pride parade. Well done.

    No clue re Microsoft.

  60. 60
    Elizabelle says:

    @Old Broad in California: My only hope is that they’re hearing “Barack Obama!” when they shop.

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    @Elizabelle: The only problem I have with closed captioning is that I end up paying more attention to them than what’s going on on the screen. As for watching shows in Spanish, I turn on CC so I can follow along with my limited New Mexican Spanglish. I used to watch “Simplemente Maria” and found out that telenovelas are as much fun as soap operas. (I wonder how it would go over if they did subtitles in English?)

  62. 62
    Mnemosyne says:


    G is currently tutoring someone who immigrated here as a middle schooler from (I think) Mexico, so she speaks and understands English pretty well, but she never learned to read it properly. One of the biggest obstacles they keep running into is that she knows a lot of English words, but they’re not spelled anything like she expected them to be. There are times when he just has to say, English is weird. I’m sorry.

    She seems to be learning pretty well, though, and has given him delicious meals to bring home a few times, so it’s working out for all of us! 😄

  63. 63
    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    I dunno about the upgrade, but if you decide to do it, take a full backup of everything first. If the OS change goes pear-shaped you may have to reload all of your files, and if you don’t have a backup…

  64. 64

    @O. Felix Culpa: The Windows 10 upgrade went fine on my 2010 Toshiba Satellite laptop.

  65. 65
    JPL says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Thanks for the info, since the media is only fixated on the other presumed candidate for Pres. That is pretty cool.

  66. 66
    Elizabelle says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Some of the instructors say the language in the telenovelas move too fast for them. But they do look like awesome fun.

    Now: an advert for a cancer charity for kidz with Freddie Mercury/Queen music. All right!

    This channel does have commercials. Like about 10 minutes straight by now. Spaniards are just as bedeviled by unruly hair and dirty clothing. Now, there seems to be some ad for ham …

    ETA: Ads are about 30 seconds long.

    Now, an ad for Seth Rogen movie. Malditos Vecinos. Bad Neighbors. It is his schtick.

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    gogol's wife says:


    Death in Paradise! One of my favorite bad TV shows. Do you have the original reasonably good actor as the main detective, or Kris?

  68. 68
    gogol's wife says:

    @Smiling Mortician:

    Two dactyls and a trochee. Nice.

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    Anoniminous says:


    Those Scottish alligators will rip your lungs out, given the slightest opportunity.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Am I the only one who is bored with Trump and his antics?

    No, but it is summer and he is slightly more entertaining at times than re-runs.

  71. 71
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    I’ve mentioned before that one of the reasons Lois McMaster Bujold is one of my favorite science fiction writers is that she presents a future universe with different societies that are actually functional for most people, not dystopian hellscapes that make you wonder how anyone manages to find a bathroom.

    In one of her books, a character gets stuck having to hide out in an apartment on an urbanized planet and ends up getting addicted to their soap operas since there’s not much else for her to do all day long.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    “Simplemente Maria”! I used to watch that in Moscow!

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    Mr. Mack says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Let me say upfront I am no computer whiz…but I’ve owned one since 1989, so I’ve seen my share of operating systems. I was told be a geek friend of mine that I would eventually be forced upgrade so I might as well go ahead and do so. Besides, he said, it really is stable and packed with awesome features. After a year with it…I agree with one caveat: Turn off auto updates. If you don’t, your Chrome or Firefox browsers will be removed and you have to re-install. I’m married to Chrome because I do everything thru Gmail…but the new browser is decent, and there is a version of Siri available. I forgot her name…getting old I guess. Hope this helps.

  74. 74
    gogol's wife says:

    Now I’m going to try to give the title in Cyrillic, just to test — when I use Cyrillic now, my comments disappear.

    Просто Мария

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    Elizabelle says:

    @gogol’s wife: It’s the original detective, and maybe a muy early episode, since I think he met the winsome Caribbean woman detective early.

    Nuns, a priest, and death by smoke inhalation, but possibly demons …

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    Anoniminous says:


    Switch to majority urban happened around 1907.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @rikyrah: You mean my vote really counted? You mean this was for real? Why did you not tell me?

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    Emma says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Telenovelas are soap operas. On steroids and for people of short attention spans (I wish I had a giggling emoji). We Latinos like happy endings so they all end.

    P.S. Simplemente Maria is on its third (or is it fourth) incarnation. My favorite version was an Argentinian one called Rosa de Lejos.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Anoniminous: Whether at Trader Vic’s, or wherever.

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    sigaba says:

    I am presently trying to follow Brexit and Trump news while also mixing a Syfy channel movie: “Lavalantula 2: 2 Lava 2 Lantula”. My brain is melting.

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    gogol's wife says:


    Oh, good, so Camille is still on with Richard. It goes seriously downhill when they leave. But I still watch it!

    The detective becomes the guy from Love, Actually who meets all the supermodels in Wisconsin.

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    Emma says:

    @Elizabelle: You’re in Barcelona? Have you heard the Montserrat Caballe/ Freddy version of the song?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Adam was very excited last night to see that a rerun of “Mansquito” was on, but he also said the cold medicine he was taking was making him pretty loopy.

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    JMG says:

    The rural Americans are real Americans theme goes back to Thomas Jefferson. Of course, back then most Americans WERE farmers, including Jefferson’s political rival John Adams. Hamilton, Burr and Benjamin Franklin were the city boys among the Founding Fathers.
    Back then, it didn’t mean “white people” as it does now. Non-white people weren’t people.

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    ShadeTail says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Strictly my own experience, but Windows 10 seems better for gaming than work. It gives you easy access to all your applications, but removes easy access to your user profile and documents directory. I feel rather lucky that I chose to update my gaming PC to Win10, and left my work laptop alone, because I would have been annoyed to have my laptop messed around with that way. On the other hand, it has streamlined a lot of things on my gaming PC, so I’m happy with that.

    So if your laptop is primarily a work device, I would recommend against Win10.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Mustang Bobby:
    I tried really hard to get into “Orphan Black” I believe the premise is fantastic. But English apparently is my second language, I speak American & was unable to understand most of the dialog.

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    BR says:


    I was hopeful about Perez, but he, like, the Castro brothers, appears to be terrible at speaking Spanish. He’s better than Castro but that’s not saying much — I watched one of his whitehouse youtube videos and he wasn’t very good. I know it’s not absolutely critical that he speak Spanish, but I know it will come up and I know he will have to do a few interviews in Spanish where his poor Spanish skills will be a problem.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Scotland Sunday Post has a poll out:

    Should Scotland be an independent country?
    Yes 59%
    No 32%

    Apparently (twitter source, use with caution) Sunday Times has a poll out as well giving Independence a 4% lead.

    My SNP friends are over the moon with glee.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Spoke to ‘Leave’ voters who say result wasn’t meant to happen. They hoped to make a point, show frustration with EU, not cause Brexit #EURef

    This right here is my single greatest fear about November — that a sufficient number of voters in this country will just want to “make a point” or “send a message,” and they’ll do so by casting their votes for Trump. It’s not that they really want him as President — heck, they probably don’t even like him very much — but they want the momentary, transitory satisfaction of giving the middle finger to all those grown-ups who are always telling them to eat their vegetables before they get another cupcake.

    (I hope you all know me well enough to know that I’m pretty far from being a concern troll. That’s not what this is.)

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @JPL: There was a good turnout of Pride marchers for the Dems and lots of downticket focus as well. Our big Hillary banner elicited wonderfully enthusiastic responses from those watching, including kids. The cheering for Hillary from boys and girls was particularly heartening. The Dems then set up a voter registration booth in the Plaza. I get training to be certified for voter registration later this week. The local HFA (Hillary for America) organization and Democratic Party are gearing up for the GE.

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    gogol's wife says:


    I agree.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: MS says you can roll-back Win10 to 7.0 or 8.1 within 30 days – I haven’t tried it myself.


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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:
    No, you should not let them update you to 10 – however it will be a useless fight, the bastards upgrade you even if you say no.

    There have been problems in Africa where ther emergency services went down because MS decided to upgrade, against wishes, via satellite links & killed the connections needed.

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    Barb2 says:

    Kansas, western Kansas from the link above. That hits home. My mom was third generation Kansas – born near Dodge City, on a farm homesteaders by her great grandparents. We’d visit the old homestead on summer vacation, during the wheat harvest. Late 60s. Only work was agricultural related, sparsely populated. Traffic was mostly farm trucks.

    It is great to know that this area is no longer one ghost town after another. People have returned, filling the spaces and creating new communities. All this time I thought that this whole area was abandoned. The small town near the farm where my mother grew up was a ghost town by the early 60s. Garden City was the next big town with grain silos for wheat from my grandparent’s amd other farms. Most of the kids moved on after the war. My uncle remained to work the family farm. The other 8 kids left. Jobs were on the coast.

    That was Trump’s white world or the world he wants to bring back. Except even back then there were Native Americans and African Americans working the land.

    Life was damned hard. Poverty everywhere, people worked hard. Farming has always been a gamble. This area was hit hard by the dust bowl and the depression. That generation is all but gone. Trump has no concept of hard work – back then or now.

    So now the former dust bowl region has reinvented itself. A melting pot of cultures – rather like Hawaii (where I grew up). People fear what they don’t know. Tump doesn’t have a clue.

    Thanks for that link! Wonderful news about a place where my ancestors homesteaded in the late 19th century.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Tomorrow I’m getting a ‘new’ Dell 6420 laptop with Win 7 on it, and upgrading to 10. This is a gift from a friend. I have a 6420 as a work laptop and it’s dead reliable. Heavy but rugged. So I’m happy to have the same machine at home. I’ll use it on a docking station with a ‘normal’ keyboard, mouse and big monitor. But the idea is I can take it to my electronics shop, bedroom, etc. and use it as a portable as needed.
    My current home machine is a very old Dell tower with a Pentium 2 and Vista. The reason for the change is Vista is dead-ended and the security updates have stopped. I’m basically forced to upgrade or be vulnerable to malware, etc.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    If you heard it, he really does at one point call it Florida and then corrects it to Scotland.

    Because, of course, the terrain looks so much alike that anyone would naturally confuse the two. :)

    Also, the Loch Okeechobee Monster.

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    @gogol’s wife: Season 5 here in Miami, so it’s Kris.

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    @O. Felix Culpa: I have found the upgrade process (as it relates to machines =<3 years old) to be reliable enough to allow them at my job. This is the first time in my career I've been able to do so.

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    debbie says:

    While cocksplat is probably my favorite, fucktrumpet should have made that list.

    Another list of Tweets:

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Old Broad in California:
    While in Europe my favorite one was “How much is that in real money?”. I wanted to punch so many people in the throat, nail them into a box & ship them back to the States

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    raven says:

    Oh, NOW West Virginia wants help from the fucking gubbmit!

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    chopper says:

    i’m surprised no one on British twitter called him “marmalade twatwaffle”.

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    @Emma: Telenovelas follow the same pattern as soaps: if two people are fighting and there’s a staircase on set, someone’s taking a tumble. Same with a swimming pool; someone’s gonna get wet.

    I tried to follow the Portuguese gay soap “Xavier & David,” but even with subtitles, I couldn’t get into it.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    Thanks to all of you who weighed in on Windows 10! Not surprisingly, the BJ community has a rich diversity of opinions and experience on the upgrade issue. At minimum, it seems a backup prior to upgrading makes very good sense. Much appreciated!

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    debbie says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Only in American could a nutjob of this degree get so much attention for so long. But he’s close enough to the White House, I feel I have to remain on high alert.

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    jl says:

    I heard the learned and thoughtful Mr. Trump say on the news radio machine that fixing up a country is just like fixing up a golf course, only it’s bigger.

    Make our country(club) great again!

    Nice bollocks Trump pulled congratulating the Scots, who overwhelmingly wanted to stay in the EU, on the Brexit vote.
    I heard some pundit on the news that the vote was only advisory.. Could that possibly be correct? Pundit said even if advisory, no way it could be ignored. But… I wonder if small chance it won’t happen.
    I’ll have to read up on the details. If EU wants a quick kick out, UK economy will probably take some noticeable hit. Wonder what the reaction will be by disillusioned oldsters and racists over there.

    Edit: I always look for some, even if very small, silver lining to developments. Cameron probably established himself in history as an idiot twit, which in many ways he is.

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    sigaba says:

    @jl: “Make our country(club) great again!”

    It’s 80s movie-villain logic. I think the asshole developer in “The Goonies” was literally trying to do exactly this.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Trump is a sideshow. In the center ring is the GOP’s collapse from the center finally becoming evident. He’s a symptom. A toadstool popping up to signal the rot underneath.

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    debbie says:


    Some of the accents in Australian movies used to give me problems. Can’t remember the name of the film, but there were subtitles. I was almost ashamed of myself for needing them.

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    debbie says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    It seems all public life is a sideshow anymore.

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    jl says:

    @sigaba: Damn. I think that is the second time a Trump pronouncement on current events or recent history turned out to be a garbled memory of a movie plot. Sort of like Reagan spouting confused memories as history, except even more pathetic and loony and sad (and scary if this goof wins).

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    satby says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: Hooray for you and the Pride Parade in Santa Fe!

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    debbie says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    Too late to tell you to switch to Mac?

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    debbie says:


    I heard the learned and thoughtful Mr. Trump say on the news radio machine that fixing up a country is just like fixing up a golf course, only it’s bigger.

    That’s such a Business statement.

    Maybe some good will come out of this. It will prove once and for all that government cannot be run like a business.

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    JanieM says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: I tried three times to upgrade to Windows 10 on my personal laptop. (My work laptop was done for me.) The first and third time, after hours of downloading and installing itself, W10 got to about 97% done (by its own estimate) and told me that it was reverting my machine to W7. The middle time it installed itself successfully, but it was so unstable (crashing repeatedly) that I told it to revert to 7 — and yes, I give Microsoft credit for this, reverting to 7 was easy and seamless, although it wasn’t totally easy to find where command to do it.

    I never did figure out what the problem was: I hadn’t updated my BIOS in a long time (who knew?), plus someone told me that he had the same Avast anti-malware I had, and that he hadn’t been able to install W10 successfully without shutting off the malware. I was going to try one more time, then I read an article online (Forbes blog, I think) that said Microsoft is pushing the W10 in part because it wants to then slide us all into an automatic update, subscription mode.

    No thanks. I bought the last key card on earth for Office 2010 (LONG story) to avoid having my Office updated ad hoc by subscription (and to avoid a subscription payment every month, come to that). I’m keeping W7 on my personal machine and I understand it’s going to be supported until 2020, which is good enough for me.

    But i know private citizens (i.e. not skilled admins) who have allowed W10 to install itself without incident. I don’t mind W10 on my work machine, although it’s glitchier than W7 was in terms of recognizing peripherals, etc. I haven’t had any trouble knowing where my stuff is, but I’m eccentric about controlling that anyhow.

    Good luck to @O. Felix Culpa!

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @satby: Thanks! I hope your day/week/year is ending better than it started! SF Pride had a sweet, small-town feel to it (but since it’s New Mexico, we’re not real ‘Murkins either). Definitely on a different scale than Chicago Pride. A nice short, but well-attended route, which was felicitous given the midday sun.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    When I worked for the Canadian Consulate General, we occasionally held Québec film festivals, bringing in directors and actors to introduce the films and answer audience questions. Can’t count the number of times that they would relate an anecdote of having to provide French-language subtitles for French audiences, because nobody in France could comprehend their Québécois French! (I remember it especially with C.R.A.Z.Y., but there were others.)

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    O. Felix Culpa says:


    Too late to tell you to switch to Mac?

    Hehe! I have a Mac, which I’m trying to adjust to, but for Excel spreadsheet work, I loves my PC.

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    @O. Felix Culpa: I’ve done the pride parade in Santa Fe; last time was in 1998. Oh, what fun it was!

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    JanieM says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: I’m not an expert, but on my personal machine (i.e. not my work machine, where updates are controlled by a group policy installed by my admin), I can go into Control Panel -> Windows Update -> Change settings and select a setting that makes sure I control when updates are installed. Even with that setting, Microsoft keeps trying to trick me into installing W10 by always having it checked as an “Optional Update.” I just keep unchecking it. I’m waiting to see what happens when the deadline for a free upgrade goes by; I’m hoping they’ll just give up at that point, but I’m not optimistic.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @chopper: i’m surprised no one on British twitter called him “marmalade twatwaffle”.

    The Queen’s account is protected.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @JanieM: Thanks for the update.

    I’ve had the Win10 upgrader/malware thing say that my machines are good to go except that my Symantec Endpoint Detection version supposedly isn’t compatible (unsurprising, and easy to upgrade via work). I’ve only upgraded one machine so far (a newish 8.1 laptop) that went fine. I’ve got a bunch of Win7Pro machines and a couple of Win7Home laptops that I need to do. I kinda dread it for the reasons you state, but if it gets annoying enough then I’ll just put Linux on them and run Win7 on VirtualBox if I need Winders.

    I’ve gotta stay up-to-date at work and we have to encrypt drives on laptops, so 7 isn’t an option there anymore (7 Enterprise or something can do it, but not 7 Pro).

    It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a sudden recession that can be tied to everyone breaking their PCs on July 29 – rushing to install 10 before the “free upgrade” ends.

    (Who is only mostly kidding…)

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    Millard Filmore says:

    @O. Felix Culpa: My work computer would harass me from time to time about the upgrade to 10. I always said NO, except for the time I clicked the Destroy This Window thingy in the upper right corner. That was taken as a sign of Alright! Lets get started!. I started cursing NO NO NO … Awwww nuts, and let it continue. 2 and a half hours later it was done, rebooted, and I signed back in.

    The first thing it did was put up a new EULA that demanded I accept binding arbitration and give up the right to go to court. When I declined this gracious offer to screw me a dialog box came up with a warning that if I continue this disgraceful line of action, the great Windows 10 will be taken back off and Windows 7 put back on.

    Hallelujah! Just what I want! Up yours, Microsoft. Take Windows 10 away.

    So if your upgrade starts by mistake, reject the new EULA. All you will lose is a few hours.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Racist assholes are racist assholes.

    Film at 11.

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    JanieM says:


    It’ll be interesting to see if there’s a sudden recession that can be tied to everyone breaking their PCs on July 29 – rushing to install 10 before the “free upgrade” ends.

    This made me laugh.

    I too have to have W10 at work for the sake of the encryption and all our client contract security requirements. Luckily for me, someone does all this for me. :-)

    I’m not enterprising enough to ever have gotten chummy with Linux. Maybe when I retire I’ll try to learn something new.

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    JanieM says:

    @Millard Filmore: This whole comment made me laugh even harder. Great free entertainment around here.

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    Emma says:

    @Mustang Bobby: I find Italian and French easier to understand than Brazilian Portuguese, so I like to watch dubbed versions of tv shows and movies I’ve already watched to improve my listening skills.

    And as far as telenovelas go, well, they have the old theater saying “if you show a gun in the first act it has to go off on the third” on speed dial.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    It’ll be fun at work. We have all kinds of custom software for interfacing with the industrial machines that we support, which are Linux. The software was written for XP and patched to work in W7. I hear W10 is unforgiving about that kind of thing. Not looking forward to the first time I’m fixing a down customer’s production line (cost of lost production: ~$10K/hour) and I discover that the one program I NEED to work won’t. And IT support is 6 time zones away. That’ll raise the old blood pressure. We’re already plotting alternative ways to get things done.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: There are ways to tell your computer NOT to do the automatic upgrade. I did a quick google a couple weeks ago and found it. For what you are doing, I don’t think you will want to upgrade to Windows 10. And if ti’s true that Win 7 will be supported until 2020, I would make sure your computer does not do the upgrade.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    I’m actually ready to do the 10 upgrade. The friend who’s giving me this laptop is a full time pro Windows IT support guru for Ford World Headquarters. He’s done scores of them so I have little fear of it going wrong. And it’s a scratch load of W7 without my data, so no risk to me. Our work laptops will be transitioning to 10 soon and I want to stay on the same platform at home for consistency.
    After the new home machine has W10 running stably I’ll shift my personal files over to it, running the old machine in parallel until it’s all working right. Then shut down the old one.
    I was in IT myself for 13 years and parallel conversion is the only safe way.

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    @Ultraviolet Thunder: My biggest concern was that Win10 wouldn’t handle FileMaker Pro 6 wherein I keep my car club’s database. But it went without a hitch.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @JanieM: Linux is mostly painless these days. You download and burn an ISO to a DVD, boot it, and install it to a partition (or overwrite your Windows partition). I’ve used Ubuntu and Mint mostly without incidents on a few machines, but I haven’t done real “work” with them. They’re easy to update and LibreOffice handles most of the MS Office stuff I’ve thrown at it pretty well.

    I did have one problem with an old version of Mint – something got mangled with a the nVidia driver settings (the version number didn’t match between the driver and what the OS was expecting or something). There was some screen with an offer to let me fix the problem, but I didn’t know enough about it to fix it. I just reinstalled the OS from DVD and everything seemed mostly fine after that.

    Linux is amazingly capable these days, but there’s still a lot of Winders stuff that won’t run on it (at least not without knowing what you’re doing). It’s still an uphill slog to use it at work at many places though.

    Have fun.


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    WaterGirl says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Sorry for not being clear. I was talking about your work computer that’s interfacing with your machines. I think you upgrade that one to Windows 10 at your peril.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:


    but removes easy access to your user profile and documents directory.

    You know you can pin folder to the start menu via File Explorer(right click on the folder and click ‘pin to start’). Gawd, when it comes to computers, some of you folk are conservatives.

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    JanieM says:


    And if ti’s true that Win 7 will be supported until 2020…

    See here.

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    JanieM says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I hate the start menu in W10. I pin the File Explorer to the taskbar and then pin my important stuff to that via “Pin to Quick Access.”

    ETA: I do the same thing on my W7 laptop. I guess I just don’t like the start menu regardless. All the programs I use frequently are pinned to the taskbar, then I can just right-click on those to get a list of recent files.

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    Plantsmantx says:

    I do not support white nationalists and I don’t have reason to believe that Cis personally holds the views of these people.

    Boy, I swear…

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    NotMax says:


    If you have Netflix, look for Gran Hotel (listed on Netflix as Grand Hotel). 3 seasons, total of 66 episodes of 45 minutes each.

    A little pokey getting up to speed, but once the police inspector shows up a few episodes in, moves right along briskly.

    Beautiful sets and costumes, to boot. Set at a luxury hotel circa 1905.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: The only problem with Linux is that if you have a problem, the first thing you’ll see to handle the problem is, ‘open a command prompt and type…’. This is a non-starter for 95%+ of the population.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @JanieM: Whatever floats ya boat. You could also put the links on the desktop.

    ETA: The anniversary edition of Win10(due out late next month) gets rid of the ‘All Apps’ and just puts the apps listing to the right of the power, setup, etc buttons.

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    ms_canadada says:

    @Emma: I haven’t commented since my husband’s death, but with the mention of Montserrat Caballe’s and Freddie Mercury’s duet ‘Barcelona’ it makes me weep. Montserrat Caballe sang that at Freddie’s funeral. If you’ve not seen the documentary on Freddie, I suggest you do. He speaks on his love of opera, and how once he was smitten, that was all he wanted to do.

    BTW, have you seen our Prime Minister and his lovely family?

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    Renie says:

    I must admit I’ve heard of reddit but I really don’t know anything about it or how it works. …. Maybe that’s a good thing

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    EBT says:

    @JanieM: I use the same classic shell I did in 8.1

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    JanieM says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Oooh, desktop, no, I gotta be able to see my wallpaper. :-)

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Eh, it’s basically a bunch of message boards for hobbyists of all stripes. There’s good and bad, but the bad ones can be really bad.

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    Thor Heyerdahl says:


    I have to admit, the various flavors of Brit do seem to do invective much better than us North Americans (sorry, Canadians, but I think you’re too much like us). “Tangerine ballsack” was my favorite pithy one from yesterday.

    While I will agree that much of English Canada is similar to the US with invective, the wrath and twisting wit of a Newfoundlander is much more similar to the UK and Ireland than other parts of English speaking North America. Let alone when a Quebecois gets going in French…

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    @Emma: Pablo Escobar El Patron De Mal is my fave as well as El Senor De Los Cielos, which is more like Dynasty meets Scarface.

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    Speaking of crazy haired old men. What’s up St. Sanders?

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    nutella says:


    The rural Americans are real Americans theme goes back to Thomas Jefferson. Of course, back then most Americans WERE farmers

    Yes, Jefferson was very big on the idea that the doughty independent farmers were the backbone of America. He expected them to spread out through the Louisiana Purchase bringing doughty independent American values with them.

    Actually the big gainers from moving into the new territories were slaveholders expanding their already large plantations. Note that Jefferson himself was a plantation/slave owner rather than an independent farmer so this was a particularly twisted idea for him to hold.

    And the attitude has not changed in the many years since as doughty independent farmers went from a fair-sized minority in Jefferson’s day to pretty much non-existent now.

    (Edited for clarity.)

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    @Mnemosyne: I am glad you like them. I sometimes wonder whether I should share them because of the language barrier. My Hindi is not the bestest but I understand it fairly well.

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    @nutella: Gandhi was the same way, he thought that real India lived in villages and had totally impractical ideas about economics.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    Trump’s Meeting With Evangelical Leaders Marks the End of the Christian Right

    Christian Post op-ed by Michael Farris of Patrick Henry College

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Mnemosyne: You’ve finally read Ivan’s Booke!

    You’ve heard there’s a new Penric, yes? Just dropped I think yesterday.

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    Anne Laurie says:


    The real America only being white and rural theme goes back way further than Palin. I can’t remember how long ago I first heard it. I also suspect the general sentiment predates this country.

    For instance, it was Thomas Jefferson’s main beef with Alexander Hamilton — Tom didn’t think effete urban sybarites could ever be as virtuous as the (white, of course) landowner farming his own fields (or at least supervising the poor white trash who supervised the black slaves doing the actual farming). He explicitly based his philosophy on the English mythology of the titled lord benevolently overseeing his tenants, as opposed to the polyglot mercantalists in the teeming cities, forever bargaining for each others’ favors as they all grubbed for gold, rather than contemplating the great minds of the past to improve their own. And those English lords, in their turn, claimed their philosophy was the direct descendent of Classical Rome, where the free citizens (5-10% of the population), the real Romans, could run the Empire without undue interference from lesser beings.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @ms_canadada: I haven’t seen you here since your granddaughter was born last fall. How have you been doing? How is the (maybe not so) little one doing?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I think music and dance are pretty universal. If I was only willing to listen to music with lyrics I understood, I wouldn’t listen to opera. 😄

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    Yes, I finally read Ivan’s story. It especially cracked me up because I read it in the middle of a historical romance reading binge, and it’s pretty much a point-by-point sci-fi version of one, with tongue gently in cheek. She even managed to work in the semi-obligatory shopping spree. And I liked the crime caper plot, too.

    (Of course, Shards of Honor also fits nicely into the romance genre, as does A Civil Campaign, with its Shakepearean number of star-crossed lovers.)

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    Emma says:

    @ms_canadada: I have seen the documentary and walked about in tears for a couple of days. He is a hero of mine. And indeed I’ve seen the family. Young guy, he has a chance to do a lot of good. And the family… I hope they have a chance to have the kids grow as sanely as the Obama daughters.

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    ThresherK says:

    @Mnemosyne: If I was only willing to listen to music with lyrics I understood, I wouldn’t listen to opera.

    I am your mirror image. I was big on musicals as a teen, and I have to cogitate the words if I’m watching someone sing (or sing to a playback track) in a narrative setting. Maybe I’m too much in love with the turns of phrase. I’ve been to an opera or two in the age of the supertitle, and changing my focal distance and and shifting my eyes from the stage, then wondering exactly when the word was sung that I’m reading, simply isn’t for me.

    Maybe if someone’d gotten to me sooner. But I really enjoy when opera-trained voices sing American songbook works.

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    Renie says:

    so my son was in Ohio for the week; his plane just landed at LaGuardia; it was scheduled to land at 5:42pm..and of course no answer was given for the delay what the hell is wrong with air travel?

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    chopper says:


    oh man, fuck laguardia. ugh.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Mnemosyne: The latest, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen, is also a romance built around what happens to a love triangle when the hypotenuse* goes away?

    *This word is really hard to type when spell correct is on.

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    redshirt says:

    I’m skipping Win10 everywhere I can until I have to accept it. Which I hope I won’t and MS comes out with a better OS circa 2019.

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    Renie says:

    @ms_canadada: I’m also a Freddie Mercury fan and was surprised at your comment that Montserrat Caballe sang at his funeral. His funeral followed the practice of the Zoroastrian religion and no English is spoken during it. I also read that Montserrate refused to sing that song again without Freddie since it was a duet.

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    Anne Laurie says:


    Those Scottish alligators will rip your lungs out, given the slightest opportunity.

    That’s not an alligator, it’s the groundskeeper.

    You can tell them apart because alligators don’t wear tatty sweaters.

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    catclub says:

    @🚸 Martin: That all makes sense, but all the EU higher ups saying that Britain should leave promptly indicate that it may not happen in that way. (But maybe they are saying that to force Britain to stall against them?)

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @catclub: Yes, they are telling the UK that they don’t want to see a year or two of fucking about, causing uncertainty in the market or among other EU member states. They need to decide quickly if they are leaving or not, and if they are, get on with it. Lot of pressure on UK leadership right now.

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    J R in WV says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    But the dance/song sets are so well done, like Hollywood in the age of Fred Astaire and Ginger Rodgers. And drama with Marlene Dietrich, etc.

    I don’t watch all of them, but the ones I do watch are great. I don’t need to understand the language to appreciate the art of the songs and dance. When you give us a clue to the plot, that’s good too.

    But I really don’t want ads pointed at Hindi stuff, so I’ll continue to use AdBlock. That way I don’t see any ads. Evah…

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    Regine Touchon says:

    @rikyrah: keep these stories coming

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The Lodger:

    I haven’t read it yet, so no spoilers please, but I have to say I’ve been a little suspicious of Jole since The Vor Game. Something about the way Bujold described the character made me wonder if there was a relationship there.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Smiling Mortician: Déshonoré de Balsac de la Départment de Mandarine-Ridicule, auteur de La grosse farce inhumaine.

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