Wall Street Handmaiden Fails to Bolt to Center in Economics Speech

Did you see Hillary Clinton’s speech on economics today? I couldn’t watch it live and am still looking for a link to a transcript or video, but according to The Washington Post, Clinton “focused on largely familiar proposals, including measures to make college debt-free, increase corporate profit-sharing, expand access to child care and ensure that large companies and the ‘super rich’ pay their ‘fair share’ of taxes.” WaPo also said Clinton vowed to get “dark money” out of politics. That doesn’t sound like a Republican-Lite conservadem to me. Go figure.

Meanwhile, Trump gave a speech today in which he read whopper after big fat whopper off a teleprompter screen. And it seems to have dawned on Bernie Sanders that perhaps the primary outcome won’t be in his favor:

Sen. Bernie Sanders acknowledged for the first time Wednesday “it doesn’t appear” he’ll be the Democratic presidential nominee.

The Vermont senator, speaking during a taped C-SPAN interview, said his presidential campaign is negotiating on an “almost on a daily basis” with presumptive Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s team, urging her to stake out the most progressive positions she can on campaign finance reform, health care, higher education and the economy.

Sanders said he and Clinton have had “real differences of opinion.” But he said he’ll do everything he can to defeat presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump and bring as many people into the political process as possible.

“Our job now is to have her (Clinton) listen to what millions of people in this country who supported me want to see happen,” Sanders said during a wide-ranging hourlong interview with C-SPAN’s Steve Scully.

Jesus Fricasseed Christ and all 12 Cajun-Fried Apostles, I just cannot with the fucking Sanders ex-campaign anymore. Open thread!






166 replies
  1. 1
    Poopyman says:

    Bernie sure is taking his time wandering through the different stages of grief.

  2. 2
    Corner Stone says:

    The Kornack on MSNBC just revealed that only 55% of Bernie supporters say they will vote for HRC. Some 22% say they will vote for Trump.

  3. 3

    Yay, actual policy speech! I’ll have to watch later, when the excitement on Twitter calms down.

  4. 4
    Soylent Green says:

    “it doesn’t appear” he’ll be the Democratic presidential nominee.

    What was his first clue?

    Ms. Cracker, you are a national treasure.

  5. 5

    Thanks, Cole, for linking to PostGradProblems in a recent tweet. Killed the afternoon dead.

  6. 6
    kindness says:

    @Corner Stone: Those Bernie supporters that say they will vote for Trump weren’t really Bernie supporters then. They were Trump supporters all along trying to monkey wrench Hillary.

    Why am I not shocked?

  7. 7
    Corner Stone says:

    Meanwhile, Trump gave a speech today

    Between HRC’s speech and now the House actions, poor Donald is going to get trumped out of the news cycle.

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    Brachiator says:

    Meanwhile, Trump gave a speech today in which he read whopper after big fat whopper off a teleprompter screen.

    I thought that Trump peddled steaks, not burgers. I have not been able to see or listen to either speech, but am looking forward to checking out Clinton’s speech later. I have read snippets that Trump is just gassing about the same crap that he always blathers on about.

    One thing I found annoying about coverage of the speeches. The CBS radio station noted that Trump was going to talk about “Crooked Hillary.” It blurred the line between quoting Trump and internalizing his anti-Clinton label and using it as part of a news story. Sadly, I expect more of this.

    Bernie is becoming a parody of himself. If he were smart, he would try to at least head into the July 4 holiday weekend fully signed on to supporting Clinton.

  9. 9
    Soylent Green says:

    @BruceFromOhio: Cole? Cole who?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Corner Stone: I saw a Bloomberg poll to that effect earlier. I doubt any but a hardcore subset of true morons stick to that, and they weren’t going to vote for a Democrat anyway, so fuck them.

  11. 11

    If you vote for Trump, then you were never really progressive. Also, fuck you.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Corner Stone: No evidence of that happening. Dude can’t even fart without it making all the news sites. The press are too addicted to drop him like that.

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    Mary says:

    Has it never occurred to Sanders that many of the people who did not vote for him actually do not want HRC to adopt all of his proposals. And in fact, many voted for her precisely because they prefer her platform to his? I’m with Betty. I just cannot with this guy anymore.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Meh. If she doesn’t propose taking all money in the entirety of the country and redistributing it equally she is IN THE POCKET OF BIG WALL STREET!!1! I WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO VOTE FOR A TRUMP/STEIN FUSION TICKET!

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    @Mary: Hell, many of the people who voted for him don’t want to adopt his proposals, they just didn’t like Hillary. Like in WV.

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    geg6 says:

    @Mary:

    Agreed. Since when the fuck is it okay for the loser to go around making demands after he’s been knocked down and is only just now getting off the mat and staggering back into reality world?

  17. 17
    Brachiator says:

    Since this is an open thread, I will note this little thing called CatConLA that I found a story and link about.

    “It is like if Stefon from SNL described a cat convention. There will be adoptable cats, celebrity cat guests, human celebrities, merchandise, an escape room, cat fashion and cosplay, the Kat Von D beauty bar, and the option to get a caticure.” — LAIST

    “Tony winner, silver screen siren, TV icon and the ultimate feline in human form, Julie Newmar, to appear at CatConLA 2016 with her brother and author of “The Mediterranean Universe,” John Newmeyer, featuring the subject of … what else? … Cats!” — BROADWAY WORLD

    “Is CatConLA the VidCon for Felines?” — VIDEOINK

    “If you love cats, this convention and symposium is for you.” — EXAMINER.COM

    “I’d expected to spend a maximum of three hours at the convention, but I emerge from the building six hours later, my head buzzing with what could be described as unadulterated joy.” — JEZEBEL

    “A massive adoption village, all the kitty swag you can imagine (including free cat themed manicures!), and plenty of surprise celeb appearances, of both the human and feline variety.” — PEOPLE

    July 25 and 26 in Los Angeles
    AT THE REEF
    1933 S Broadway
    Los Angeles, CA 90007

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Poopyman: I’m not so sure any longer. I honestly think the worm is turning.
    The media is desperate to do whatever they can to make this an actual horse race again but Trump just isn’t giving them any opening. The firing of Lewandowski on a bright and shiny Monday morning, a month before the convention, isn’t by itself anything they can spin as a positive. He’s going to have to be not-Trump for at least a couple speeches in a row and I just honestly think he can’t do that.
    Don’t get me wrong. The media *wants* to. They sooo want to. But he can’t fucking help himself.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Brachiator: When are they going to stage an all-cats version of Hamilton?

  20. 20
    Chyron HR says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    I want to vomit on the sofa where it happens…

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    germy says:

    @Brachiator: I asked our cat “What is CatCon?” She looked up at me sleepily and replied “A beginning.”

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    jl says:

    I thought HRC speech was very good. Skipped the Trump stump attack on HRC, but did see some stories listing what each news org thought were most important lies and BS. Which taken together, seems to be the whole speech.

    Since BC decided to seed another round of HRC/Sanders fight club, and I have the privilege of stuff to do and therefore will not see it, my contribution is a link to the Sanders c-span interview., complete with one of their famously snappy titles.

    Bernie Sanders 2016 Presidential Campaign Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a 2016 Democratic presidential candidate, talked about his life and career.
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?4.....l-campaign

  23. 23

    There’s still the logistical failures of Trump’s campaign to 1) get a ground game going, 2) get corporations to pay for the Cleveland convention, 3) focus on GOTV efforts.

    I really feel that any money flowing into Trump’s efforts will mostly go to him and not his campaign. the media is going to buy whatever Narrative floats their boat, that will not change until the entire profession changes. But we’ve seen before how the Narrative does not alter the facts of the real world, that a bad campaign is going to flounder and die no matter how pretty the media paints the corpse.

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    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    Politico link, but…

    Brent Scowcroft joins Dick Armitage and endorses Hillary Clinton for President

    Holy shitballs, y’all.

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    dr. bloor says:

    Jesus Fricasseed Christ and all 12 Cajun-Fried Apostles, I just cannot with the fucking Sanders ex-campaign anymore. Open thread!

    Do those Apostles come with okra?

    BS’s campaign tweeted something this afternoon criticizing the DNC for letting right-wingers take charge by ignoring too many congressional elections. The irony, it is thicker than Vermont maple syrup.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Betty Cracker: ***SPIT TAKE***
    Oh, B Crack…swoons

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: MORE PROOF SHE’S NO BETTER THAN THE REPUBLICANS!!1!

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    Grumpy Code Monkey says:

    @different-church-lady: SHE SOLD US OUT!!!! AND SHE ISN’T EVEN PRESIDENT YET!!!

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    Brachiator says:

    @Corner Stone:

    The Kornack on MSNBC just revealed that only 55% of Bernie supporters say they will vote for HRC. Some 22% say they will vote for Trump.

    They say this now, but who knows. They may change their minds later, be amenable to persuasion, were always Trump supporters, or a lunatic fringe.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Corner Stone:

    The Kornack on MSNBC just revealed that only 55% of Bernie supporters say they will vote for HRC.

    Did they attempt at all to differentiate between Bernie Sanders supporters and Bernie Sanders voters? Because as Major Major Major Major reminded us just a while ago, a fair number of the Bernie Sanders voters aren’t even liberals, much less proto-revolutionaries, and may not care very much about Bernie Sanders’s wishlist or agenda. Of course a shit-ton of the Sanders crowd (online at least) happily collapses all the strains of the Sanders vote in order to pretend that 42% of the Democratic Party is chomping at the bit for social democracy and thinks Hillary Clinton is a neoliberal corporatist warmongering quisling. Aimai and I just were doing battle in comments at LGM with Max Sawicky, who clearly wants to believe that Sanders is the figurehead for a surging groundswell of radicals. I don’t think that’s remotely close to true. But in certain circles it’s an article of faith already.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @dr. bloor: Nothing goes with okra. Not even Apostles.

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    aimai says:

    @Poopyman: Dave Weigel had a great tweet:

    Sanders Campaign Has More Endings Than Return of the Kings.

    (or something like that).

  33. 33
    Mike J says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    When are they going to stage an all-cats version of Hamilton?

    Meow Shot
    History Has its Eyes on the Laser Pointer

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Jesus Fricasseed Christ and all 12 Cajun-Fried Apostles, I just cannot with the fucking Sanders ex-campaign anymore.

    Tell it Sister, tell it.

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    Ben S. says:

    I was there!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @FlipYrWhig: The lead in was how many votes HRC and BS got but the graphic with the 55%/22% was headlined “Who Sanders Supporters Would Vote For”.

    ETA – The Kornack uses the terms “voters” and “supporters” interchangeably through this segment, if that helps.

  37. 37
    jl says:

    c-span has a video of HRC Columbus economic talk yesterday.

    Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton Economic Remarks in Columbus, Ohio
    http://www.c-span.org/video/?4.....ks-economy

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    Brachiator says:

    @germy:

    I asked our cat “What is CatCon?” She looked up at me sleepily and replied “A beginning.”

    Your cat must be part Vorlon.

    (Babylon 5 reference)

  39. 39
    aimai says:

    Yeah–where were you guys while flipyourwhig and I were St Crispin’s-Crispian’s daying all over Max Sawicky?

    I’m fighting right now with some dead enders at dkos who still don’t get why its incredibly insulting for them (and their candidate) to act like Hillary Clinton needs their advice and consent for everything. The current fantasy football pick, of course, is Elizabeth Warren for VP because Hillary “needs her guidance” and her moral compass to pick the Supreme Court. I love Liz Warren like no one else but how these people think that they get to tell the next POTUS who to do her job is beyond me. They have all the political insight of someone playing “2016 primary election” as Barbie Doll vs. Troll Doll. They mouth the instructions for each side and they always, always, turn out to know better than the stupid Hillary doll.

  40. 40
    Poopyman says:

    @Betty Cracker: Better yet, when are they going to stage an all-Hamilton version of “Cats”?

    “Mem-reeeees! All alone in the moooonlight….”

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    KithKanan says:

    I figure Sanders will get around to saying that “the campaign situation has developed not necessarily to our advantage” any month now.

  42. 42
    Corner Stone says:

    God help me but I just can’t even with Chuck Todd. Why are you so stupid, Chuck Todd?
    Conflating the D House sit in with Sanders/Trump and then bringing in a Newt reference. Sheesh.

  43. 43
    Trentrunner says:

    Apparently Bernie wandered into the House sit-in, waved, shook hands, took photos, and then left.

    He didn’t even sit.

    Really, just fuck him. He can’t exit stage (ultra-fucking) left soon enough.

  44. 44
    Poopyman says:

    @aimai:

    I’m fighting right now with some dead enders at dkos

    Why?

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  46. 46
    Poopyman says:

    @Corner Stone: They’re all in his brain at once and running around and and …. it gets all so confusing!

    OK. I’m going to back away from the keyboard, get in my car, and go home.

    As you were.

  47. 47
    humboldtblue says:

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: wow, but at this point we can no longer be surprised. Clinton is if nothing else a very serious player in American politics and foreign policy and the pros take it just as seriously and that’s why Trump manages Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton gets actual policy makers

  48. 48
    Corner Stone says:

    @Trentrunner: He waited just in camera until he was acknowledged by all the House members like he was some sort of epic figure, and he was deigning to give them the benefit of his visage and eminence grise.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Corner Stone: It’d be great if Kornacki (who’s fairly sharp, although not as sharp as he thinks he is) put some thought into the difference between a Sanders voter (person who reports casting a vote for Sanders for one or many reasons) and a Sanders supporter (meaning, IMHO, person who wants the things Bernie Sanders advocates for in this campaign and who for that reason voted for Sanders). But I’m not going to hold my breath for that.

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    jl says:

    And I think this is HRCs economic speech in NC today. I got the two mixed up. In my first comment I was talking about yesterday’s speech.
    I only have time to skim through this one. Hope it lives up to BC’s advert.

    Read Hillary Clinton’s Speech Attacking Donald Trump’s Economic Policies
    http://time.com/4378959/hillar.....h-economy/

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Ummmm …

    (Don’t judge the artist too harshly — based on the artwork and the location it’s posted, I think it’s a teenager.)

  52. 52
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Corner Stone: Vinegar, onion, peppers, and dill do.

  53. 53
    Gravenstone says:

    @Brachiator: Great, now I’m imagining my cat speaking in the voice of Ambassador Kosh.

  54. 54
    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Trentrunner: Congressional progressives ought to be his best friends in Washington. He was the original chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. Sanders seems to have a way of un-making friends.

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    El Caganer says:

    Apparently Bernie is a bit confused – Hillary’s the one getting a shot at the title; he’s the guy with the one-way ticket to palookaville.

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    @Mnemosyne: Judge? If I could draw like that, I’d be ecstatic.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @FlipYrWhig: I wish he’d just put down that rolled up paper he uses as a speaking crutch prop and just hold a vibrator or dildo or something else actually phallic.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    When are they going to stage an all-cats version of Hamilton?

    Featuring such hot tunes as “Alexander Purrington,” “The Schuyler Felines,” and “Right Paw Cat.”

    I’m not scratching away my shot!
    I’m young, scrappy and furry,
    and I’m not scratching away my shot!

    BTW, even though it got shut out at the Tonys, the revival musical “Shuffle Along” reminds us that back in 1921 an unconventional musical featuring a nonwhite cast shook up the theater world and defied conventions in ways similar to the impact that “Hamilton” is having on some folk today.

    And I had totally forgot that a little song later associated with President Truman originally came from Shuffle Along. “I’m Just Wild About Harry” was a fox trot novelty song from the musical.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: At first I was taken aback by the end of your list. Then I realized it was two words, not one.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Per OzarkHillbilly, Vinegar, onion, peppers, and dildo.

  61. 61
    Corner Stone says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Vile weed!
    /Stuey

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    eemom says:

    My FB friend who is a Jonestown-grade Bernie cultbot STILL hasn’t given up with the diarrhetic outpouring of Clinton-hating posts. Once again, this is no starry eyed kid, but a 53 year old woman physician. I can’t even can’t even.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Funny he should mention it as by contrast everything goes with dildo.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Also, too, Hillary pretty much has Wall Street by the balls at this point. Either they donate to try and get her elected with the probability of a few more regulations, or they risk Trump crashing the economy, which would be far worse for them.

    I’m guessing the non-insane CEOs are going to support Hillary even if it means having to eat their spinach and accept more regulation, because the only other option is tire rims and anthrax for dinner.

  65. 65
    aimai says:

    @Corner Stone: Yup. Al Giordano ‏@AlGiordano 20m20 minutes ago

    Al Giordano Retweeted Daily Trix
    A+Al Giordano added,
    Daily Trix @DailyTrix
    @AlGiordano Only Bernie would show up to a sit-in hoping for a standing ovation.
    11 retweets 23 likes

    Reply Retweet 11
    Like 23
    More
    Al Giordano ‏@AlGiordano 22m22 minutes ago

    Al Giordano Retweeted Diable Noir
    No, the senator did not actually sit at the sit-in.Al Giordano added,
    Diable Noir @eclecticbrotha
    Did he bother to stay long enough to actually sit down at the sit-in? …

    Al Giordano ‏@AlGiordano 25m25 minutes ago
    Al Giordano Retweeted Blerdy Moon
    It’s only his second sit-in in 50 years. Maybe he forgot how it works.Al Giordano added,
    Blerdy Moon @BearingMoon
    @AlGiordano I don’t understand. Why did he even bother to show his face if not to stay?!

  66. 66
    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    I love ( hahaha no, I don’t) how BS keeps saying he’ll work against Trump. Like, when might that start, exactly? What’s been preventing him all along? Like I keep saying, if he does the right thing, it will be his first time.

  67. 67

    i am tearing it up on twitter you guys

  68. 68
    aimai says:

    Hey, I’m in moderation for two many Al giordano tweets! But they are really great!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I work with top-level professional artists, so my standards may be too high.

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    aimai says:

    @eemom: I hate to say it but the misogyny of the Berniebros is only exceeded by the misogyny and spite of the Berniesisters.

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    JordanRules says:

    Kim Kardash-West has tweeted in support of the House Dems. Huh.

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    aimai says:

    AlGiordano

    Only Bernie would show up to a sit-in hoping for a standing ovation.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Corner Stone:
    As I said this morning, they were never Democrats to begin with. ….Hillary to Trump?
    Phuck.outta.here

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Well, bear in mind that Bernie Sanders’s idea of working for or against things involves taking a lot of credit for occasionally talking about them as either good or bad, while leaving out most of the “how,” “when,” “what for,” and “by whom.” So by that standard, he’s already working very hard against Donald Trump.

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    aimai says:

    Al Giordano Retweeted Blerdy Moon
    It’s only his second sit-in in 50 years. Maybe he forgot how it works

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @aimai: Bwaha!

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    Chris says:

    @Grumpy Code Monkey:

    I don’t think Scowcroft’s endorsement will matter to more than 1% of the population, but I’m glad for him that he’s doing it anyway.

    @Mnemosyne:

    I’m guessing the non-insane CEOs are going to support Hillary even if it means having to eat their spinach and accept more regulation, because the only other option is tire rims and anthrax for dinner.

    What is it they say about every major issue in American politics ultimately coming down to a debate between the Sane Billionaires and the Insane Billionaires? I guess we’re about to find out how many are on each side.

    (Although even then it’s not certain. The Koch brothers are most certainly Insane Billionaires, but they don’t like Drumpf either. Huh).

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    rikyrah says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Tee hee hee
    He is so used to the MSM fawning all over him…what will he do?
    LOL

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    RoonieRoo says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Also, too, Hillary pretty much has Wall Street by the balls at this point. Either they donate to try and get her elected with the probability of a few more regulations, or they risk Trump crashing the economy, which would be far worse for them.

    Excellent point!

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    aimai says:

    @rikyrah: The people I can’t forgive aren’t the Trump/Ron Paul misogynists and gamergaters who went for Bernie but the serious Bernie supporters who ignored all of us pointing out to them that their coalition was fragile and based on a misunderstanding of who Bernie’s supporters really are and what they were after. The amount of self righteous, smug, self love from the Bernie supporters about their vaunted millenials, or white working class supporters, or their momentum, simply had nothing to do with reality. In reality there were tons of people who turned out who didn’t vote, and tons of people who voted for Bernie for the wrong reasons.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Corner Stone:
    You are not wrong. They want to prop him up something awful.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @aimai: I lurk at LGM sometimes and was silently cheering y’all on. I especially enjoyed this:

    I just don’t understand the schroedinger’s cat modality that insists Sanders is an enormously important figure whose political gestures and followers are crucial to the success of Hillary Clinton’s battle against Trump and also some harmless, anodyne, meaningless guy who has no effect on the political question of the moment. How are both things true?

    Booyah!

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    Helen says:

    The Dems are staging a sit-in on the house floor right now to force gun control legislation. Ryan ordered the CSpan cameras shut off, but Rep Scott Peters (D-CA) is showing it through his phone. I can see it on CSpan via the phone.

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    aimai says:

    @Chris: I don’ t think Scowcroft’s endorsement matters to anyone but a very important sliver of the remaining sane Republicans. Ordinary businesspeople, Mormons maybe because they have extensive foreign entanglements and can’t afford a President who will fuck up our relations with all the countries in which they missionize. And whatever’s left of the former ruling class of the country. You are going to see, or find out later, that a whole lot of people didn’t just refuse to vote for Trump but actually voted for Clinton. I wonder whether Trump ends up driving anyone with any pretensions to foreign business or knowledge–or even the entire military industrial complex–into the arms of Hillary.

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    rikyrah says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016:
    OF COURSE any $$$$ going into the Trump campaign is going to line his pockets. That is obvious. The first $45 million is going to his pockets.

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    randy khan says:

    I heard snippets of the Trump speech while waiting for a flight, and it seemed very – what’s the phrase? – low energy. The applause lines got dutiful claps, but there wasn’t what you’d call a rapturous response. Clinton’s speech got a much better reception.

    And of course Trump’s speech was filled with lies. Mary McCarthy’s line about Lillian Hellman should have been written about him.

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    aimai says:

    @Betty Cracker: Blush! Next time give a girl a hand, though!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Helen:

    Yes — see ginormous thread below.

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    ruemara says:

    Sanders walked into the sit-in, got a standing O and walked back out. 😔

    Why is this man failing to meet even the slightest good graces his PR says he would?

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @FlipYrWhig: HA!

    @Corner Stone: Okra, a gift of the gods. ;-)

    @Corner Stone: That’s what all the girls say, isn’t it?

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    rikyrah says:

    @Major Major Major Major:
    Link to your twitter handle, please.

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    aimai says:

    @ruemara: How I wish when Bernie gets around to begrudingly endorsing Clinton that Clinton tweets out:

    Fuck you. Strong Letter to Follow.

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    Helen says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yeah as soon as I posted I realized it’s been going on for a while. Hey I spent the day at Citifield and I just got home. METS WIN!!!!

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    eemom says:

    @aimai:

    the misogyny of the Berniebros is only exceeded by the misogyny and spite of the Berniesisters.

    Roger that. Fuckin brain dead twats.

    “Bernie fought for civil rights in the 1960s!” they bleat. Know what their evidence for that is? A video they dug up from somewhere that “appears to show Bernie Sanders being arrested” at a protest in 1963. That is an actual quote. He “appears” to have been arrested, ONCE. So I told them to show their precious video to John Lewis, and ask HIM if it means Bernie “fought for civil rights in the 1960s.”

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @ruemara:

    Got a standing O for what?

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    Chris says:

    @aimai:

    My opinion of the Republican Party is so low at this point – partly because of what they’ve supported for the last thirty or forty years, and partly because most of the nevertrumpists I know are already hard at work rationalizing their way to a “lesser of two evils” vote in November – that I’d really be surprised if any significant number of Republicans did as you suggest.

    Don’t get me wrong, though: as with so many of my political predictions guesstimates, I’d love to be wrong.

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    EriktheRed says:

    @aimai: you have the same name on dkos?

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    aimai says:

    @EriktheRed: Yes, I’m very consistent. I also have a blog and blog occasionally at No More Mr. Nice Blog where I set an enormous trash fire attacking Bernie just last week. That was fun.

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    ruemara says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: showing up. Like any middle class toddler during kindergarten graduation.

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    aimai says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Showing up! Just like he gets to be President for a day and tell Hillary Clinton what to do with her platform and her policies because he showed up in the primary!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I’m sure someone has said this, but…

    “Our job now is to have her (Clinton) listen to what millions of people in this country who supported me want to see happen,” Sanders said during a wide-ranging hourlong interview with C-SPAN’s Steve Scully.

    … what does that shoeless fanatic think she should do about the millions more people in this country who supported her?

    ETA:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Got a standing O for what?

    Not sending us all to the corn fields?

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    aimai says:

    @ruemara: Oh! Snap! Damn, ruemara! Your fingers are fast!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: I put it up here yesterday as a real time embedded video. We even had people commenting about it and everything.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @eemom:

    John Lewis never saw him. Also he skedaddled to whitest white VT, where he’s dismissed every one of the concerns from the AA community about incarceration rates there, and other issues. The ability of his bots to convince themselves of the dumbest things about him is definitely the weirdest thing I’ve seen in politics maybe ever. I just simply see nothing admirable about the guy at all.

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    Hobbes83 says:

    The Kornack on MSNBC just revealed that only 55% of Bernie supporters say they will vote for HRC. Some 22% say they will vote for Trump.

    That 22% number is getting close to a certain number that is synonymous with a certain voting group… Hmm… Anybody? Anybody?

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    ruemara says:

    @aimai: I’m really good with witty comebacks. Somebody introduce me to a comedy writing show runner type. I need to get out of here. Will punch up your dialogue for reasonable pay!

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    Elie says:

    @aimai:

    I believe that resentment against women is profound and takes a lot of different pathways for expression — even citing “good” women like Warren to help the “bad” women like Hillary — you know, kinda a riff on “my nig—r”.. Half the stuff Hillary is blamed for isn’t even stuff she was in charge of — like Obama’s foreign policy — and yet, she gets blamed as though it was HER administration. Same with Bill’s policies — some of which she did later advocate for and made some mistakes, but geez, can anyone point to spotless resumes where they never made mistakes then learned from them? Again, its deeply instinctual. Trump’s criticisms of Hillary are largely emotional mud slinging rather than really well defined reasons why whatever she is accused of doing is so bad…. SHE is a SHE… This is unforgivable.

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    aimai says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Prezackley! This is a discussion I’ve had with a lot of people online. Its really like they just can’t bring themselves to acknowledge the millions of people who voted for her and her policies. I finally asked someone if they thought that if Bernie and his voters were anti abortion whether Hillary was obligated to follow his line and abandon her own lifelong commitment to women’s rights? Crickets. The fact that she had the temerity to say, in an interview, when Rachel Maddow asked her what concessions she’d make to Bernie “Look, I won” was taken by this goon as the utmost in horrific rudeness–she “laughed at Bernie’s voters” and basically told them to take a hike, was the way he put it. In bizarro world Bernie’s voters are always, always, the injured party. Hillary Clinton has no real policies, certainly none of any value, so why should she defend them and why would her voters care if Bernie’s obviously much better policies were substituted. Hell, we’d probably prefer Bernie’s policies if only we knew!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @aimai: The current fantasy football pick, of course, is Elizabeth Warren for VP because Hillary “needs her guidance” and her moral compass to pick the Supreme Court.

    Because if we’ve learned anything from the Obama years, it’s that the Executive Branch is the only one that matters, and one seat in the Senate more or less is like totes no bigs.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    That’s what all the girls say, isn’t it?

    I think they would..actually…say….
    Ok, no. No.

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    Eric U. says:

    in my adult life, the Republicans have crashed the economy _every_single_time_, and always right when I got a degree and was looking for a job. Of course, if you look at the employment history chart, this pattern has gone back for a very long time. I have no idea why rich people vote for them

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @aimai:

    My dream is to have Hillary present him with his participation trophy at the convention, with a plaque that has the first letters of each sentence spell out fuck you Bernie Sanders.

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    Brachiator says:

    Well, this has got to upset the Bernistas:

    Wall Street Democrat Jon Corzine would support Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) as a potential vice president pick for Hillary Clinton, the former New Jersey governor and past Goldman Sachs co-CEO told Yahoo Finance.

    Earlier this week, Politico reported that some Wall Street donors have threatened to stop giving money to the Clinton campaign if Warren is selected as her running mate. Some of the donors Politico interviewed are opposed to Warren because of the anti-Wall Street populism she’s established in the Democratic party.

    Corzine, a Hillary Clinton friend and supporter, disagreed during a conversation with Yahoo Finance on Tuesday evening on a New York City sidewalk. He said that he really liked Warren as a choice and thought that it would be a great ticket. Records show that he’s contributed a total of $50,000 to a Clinton-affiliated super PAC last year.

    Oh, the humanity! Is nothing sacred? Where is that purity unicorn?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Meanwhile, Clinton met with House Dems for more than an hour today:

    Clinton, who was invited to join the meeting by House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was greeted with loud cheers and applause when she entered the weekly closed-door meeting of House Democrats. She delivered a series of opening remarks focused on uniting the party before taking questions from members. The meeting lasted about an hour with members frequently erupting into cheers.

    All but eight House Democrats backed Clinton in the primary. Several of those who endorsed Sanders, including House Progressive Caucus Co-Chair Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) have embraced Clinton in the days since she clinched the nomination.

    Clinton addressed concerns that other progressives have not yet decided to embrace her candidacy and told Democrats they need to work together to convince the whole party to unite against Trump.

    Democratic Platform Committee Chair Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) told reporters that the full committee will meet Friday in St. Louis, Mo., in hopes of hammering out any remaining differences with the Sanders camp. He said he was optimistic that the party can easily mend fences ahead of the convention.

    “We are going to be trying to meld the positions of Sen. Clinton and Bernie Sanders,” Cummings said after the meeting. “It seems as if we are going to be able to reach an agreement — hopefully by Saturday afternoon.”

    Many Democrats said a key step toward unity is for Sanders to formally end his campaign and endorse Clinton.

    “It is a problem for the party,” said House Democratic leader Rep. James Clyburn (D-S.C.). “I would love to see Sen. Sanders endorse and go all in.”

    WaPo.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    Just put up a post with the embedded video of Secretary Clinton’s remarks today in NC and Donald Trump’s in Manhattan. Have at it!

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    Corner Stone says:

    Mark Halperin just can’t quite use the word “lie” when describing any Trump speech.

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    Mighty M. says:

    @JordanRules: Kim Kardashian is a liberal! For me that..umm, trumps all of her other stuff. If she has influence over her millions of followers, terrific. Ditto for Mr. West.

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    D58826 says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    how BS keeps saying he’ll work against Trump

    . Notice he never says he will support/campaign FOR Hillary

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @D58826:

    He never will because he’s a full of shit asshole.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Mighty M.:

    I know West annoys a lot of people, but I still have a soft spot for him thanks to his “George Bush doesn’t care about black people” rant on national TV during a post-Katrina fundraiser.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Elie:

    SHE is a SHE… This is unforgivable.

    While there is more than a fair amount of misogyny in the attacks on Hillary, I am pretty certain that her greatest sin is still being a Clinton.

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    D58826 says:

    @aimai: I suspect that Hillary’s folks have polled this till the paint falls off. If she needs his votes she will be more accommodating. If it looks like she doesn’t need his endorsement then his leverage diminishes by the day.

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    EriktheRed says:

    @aimai: I’ve seen you on No More Mister Nice Blog. In fact, I commented on one of your articles.

    :)

    ETA: I asked because I wanted to check out which dairy you were doing battle in.

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    Mike J says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    When are they going to stage an all-cats version of Hamilton?

    Bernie Thoughts ‏@berniethoughts 9 minutes ago
    MANY DOGS HAVE JOBS—SNIFFING OUT BOMBS—HELPING BLIND PEOPLE—BUT WHAT CAREERS CAN WE GIVE OUR CATS

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    bystander says:

    Were any other Senators there for the duration? I took it to be a House action staged by Representatives, and may be not appropriate for a Senator? I know Franken was there but I didn’t hear that he stayed.

    My problem with the Armitage/Scowcroft endorsements is that I don’t want them cozying up to her. I’m also hoping that she learned a lot from President Obama.

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    JCT says:

    @eemom: I have a couple of colleagues just like that. Awe-inspiring levels of magical thinking. Always comforting when it comes from a physician.

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    Troublesome Carp fka Geeno says:

    @bystander: A lot of them are still there. Franken was still there last I heard.

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    nutella says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It’s like the perennial question of whether Republicans hate Obama more because he’s black or because he’s a Democrat. Same answer for whether Republicans hate Clinton more because she’s a woman or because she’s a Clinton: yes.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Conflating the D House sit in with Sanders/Trump and then bringing in a Newt reference.

    Even for Chuck Todd, that sounds like a contortion too far. However did he pull that together?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Trentrunner:

    Really, just fuck him. He can’t exit stage (ultra-fucking) left soon enough.

    Maybe someone could arrange for a bear to pursue him.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Grumpy Code Monkey: Irecall that Scowcroft also opposed the invasion of Iraq.

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    Tim C. says:

    @bystander: my understanding is many senators are there. It’s being reported both of my senators, Wyden and Merkley, are with the sit in.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    dill do.

    I’m surprised this didn’t send your spellcheckautocorrect into overdrive.

    (ETA: Aaaaaaaand I see that about eleventy squillion other commenters also took note. Unsurprising, really.)

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    Elie says:

    @bystander:

    You have no idea, do you? Do you think that the people who make policy in the sophisticated and highly shades of gray arena of global foreign policy are narrow minded folks who just cannot talk to others who have different political affiliations or perspectives? Do you believe that Hillary would get cooties from Scowcroft should she have lunch with him? Do you believe that people live in narrow little lanes from which they must never – NEVAH – even hear different opinions, perspectives or learn from others’ experience? I am a liberal. I believe in the ability to get information and points of view from numerous people and expertise. I value that. Do you just believe in black lists and forbidden thoughts and ideas for which people who deviate must be punished?

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    PatrickG says:

    @EriktheRed:

    which dairy you were doing battle in

    I want there to be a political site for cows, now.

    DairyKos Election Coverage 2016: The Cows are Mad and the Steaks are High.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Tim C.:

    In the other thread, someone said that Barbara Boxer (one of my senators) not only showed up and stayed, she brought snacks.

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    Kathleen says:

    @eemom: Bernie covered the incident in his poignant memoir, “Letters From the Thom Hartmann Show”.

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    john fremont says:

    @Brachiator: Yeah, some of the Wall Street crew would love to see her out of the Senate and into the Vice Presidency doing meet and greets and attending diplomatic functions overseas.

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    dogwood says:

    @Elie:
    I second this! Was going to reply to bystander, but you said it much better than I could. It was the same nonsense when people went batshit when Henry Kissinger said he heard from people who worked at Foggy Bottom that Hillary was a good administrator. All of a sudden she was best friends with the guy. May I never become such a tribal liberal that I stoop to making a fool of myself.

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    Kathleen says:

    @aimai: I remember the BernieBro or Bro-ette who said Booman really gets it but you don’t neener neener. That comment thread was as illuminating as the typical Booman thread and I don’t mean that as a compliment to Booman’s commenters, most of whom are incredibly shallow and arrogant. (Though I also have observed some very insightful commenters, such as Ms. rikyrah and yourself along with a few others).

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    Elie says:

    I just saw the Bernie interview and sheesh, I can’t believe he is still running the same shtick. He looks thinner and a bit depressed or maybe that is just me. He was missing that Jeremiah rage though remains stubbornly reciting the same ” the system is rigged and unfair” type of delusion that he has had. What a sad sad person. “He coulda been somebody”….

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    dogwood says:

    @john fremont:
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Warren and Clinton are putting us on a bit. Warren will be vetted, Hillary will offer her VP, and Warren will turn it down. If it is for real, and Hillary picks her, then they better have a plan for MA before they screw up the Senate.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Troublesome Carp fka Geeno: Sherrod Brown was there.

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    Elie says:

    @dogwood:

    I’m always surprised when people are narrow like that… and it says you don’t think that a person with different point of view is not a patriot just like you… Didn’t we hear that from the right wingers? That are people with specific technical knowledge and expertise that are unrelated to their politics. I would want to have as much contact with information and knowledge that could help me manage the US complex foreign policy and relations with other countries… even what I just wrote is an over simplification….

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    different-church-lady says:

    @PatrickG: Declare your innings closed, you have enough runs to win the internet.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I would be unsurprised to learn that the last time Brent Scowcroft voted R for president was in 2000, and I think HRC is going to get the votes of a lot of prominent Republicans, many of whom I despise.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Tim C.: Good on Wyden and Merkley. Did DeFazio show up?

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    PatrickG says:

    @different-church-lady:

    But I haven’t founded Moo-veOn.org, yet. We need to steer this country to bluer pastures! Straight talk, no bull.

    Ok, now I’m just trying to milk this a bit too much.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @PatrickG: It does seem a little bit too well done.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    @Betty Cracker: It’s the same double-sided coin that makes Obama a clueless, ineffectual stooge of a president (teleprompter Har! Har!) who can also single-handedly take everyone’s guns and destroy America.

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    Tom Q says:

    @Elie: Besides which, I don’t think Scowcroft falls into the same GOP category as W.’s neocons. I disagreed with George HW Bush on many issues, but foreign policy was the least of them. Unless your goal is a Kucinich-like approach to foreign affairs, I don’t see what puts Scowcroft beyond the pale.

    And I think Scowcroft represents a canary in the coal mine: there are a solid amount of oft-times Republican voters who match his profile, and, while they may have swallowed McCain & Romney, they’re not going to be able to rationalize voting for Trump. Some may park their votes with Johnson, but I think a not-insignificant number will go all the way to Hillary, and inflate her margin of victory.

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    polyorchnid octopunch says:

    I dunno guys, you’re all sitting here in a circle jerk about the Bernie fans, and you’re completely ignoring the really salient point: there is a very large part of your citizenry that has had it with business as usual. By far the vast majority of them are “the kids”, and there are very good reasons for them to feel that way.

    What are all you boomers gonna do when you’re too old to take care of yourselves and all the kids are too busy trying to put food on the table to take care of you? If you’d like to get a handle on what that looks like, you can look back about a century or so and get a handle on it.

    Might not be a bad idea to stop with the circle jerk and pay attention.

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    BrianM says:

    @Elie:

    You have no idea, do you? Do you think that the people who make policy in the sophisticated and highly shades of gray arena of global foreign policy are narrow minded folks who just cannot talk to others who have different political affiliations or perspectives?

    I agree! I even think Sec. Clinton will talk to Sen. Sanders productively, though I do understand he’s much more repugnant than a Republican. And she is certainly mature enough to consider thoughtfully how to balance the desires of her voters (the majority) with those of the minority who supported Sanders

    I sure wish my fellow Clinton supporters would get over themselves. Sanders may be a sore loser – not a good look – but, damn, sore winners are the worst.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @BrianM: yes, I’m sure you’re a very sincere Clinton supporter just so darn frustrated, and Concerned, that folks are being so mean to Bernie!

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    aimai says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: We are big shakespeare fans in this house and we’ve been demanding that for weeks!

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    aimai says:

    @PatrickG: I literally LOL’d.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Sorry, yes you did post it. I remember now. i forgot about that.

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    J R in WV says:

    @FlipYrWhig:

    And there’s the question: How many Sanders supporters were qualified to vote, showed up, and actually cast a ballot for Senator Sanders?

    Because that number is obviously not greater than the number of Sanders supporters out there making noise. Much less than, actually.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: It was nice of Bernie to say he was tired of hearing about her damn e-mails at that debate. That’s one thing. ;-)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SFAW says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Mark Halperin just can’t quite use the word “lie” when describing any Trump speech.

    That’s because it’s tough for him to enunciate that while he’s giving Trump yet-another BJ.

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    SFAW says:

    @BrianM:

    sore winners are the worst.

    Except when the sore losers don’t lift a finger to prevent a President Trump. Then it’s pretty immaterial how sore-winnerish some blog commenters are.

    Still waiting for Sen. Sanders actually to do something other than mouth platitudes [vis-a-vis the actual race that will (officially) start in a few weeks].

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    Paul in KY says:

    @eemom: She’s jealous of Mrs. Clinton.

    My 10 cent analysis.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Mnemosyne: He certainly was right about that!

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    Paul in KY says:

    @dogwood: She needs to stay in the Senate. We will need every D senator we can get.

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    Mary says:

    Holy Hell Everything Has Gone Bonkers

    Just for Mnemosyne: “The world turned upside down!”

    ETA – shit, wrong thread. Please ignore.

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