BettyC referenced Secretary Clinton’s rally/speech today in NC, but indicated she couldn’t find the video. I’ve embedded it below. Below that I’ve embedded Donald Trump’s speech about Secretary Clinton this morning.
Secretary Clinton’s remarks begin at about the 25 minute mark:
Donald Trump’s being at about the 35 minute mark:
Rick Taylor
It looks like you accidentally gave the same link to Clinton’s speech twice.
PS Never mind, I see it’s fixe. Thanks for the links.
Adam L Silverman
@Rick Taylor: Yeah, I caught it too!
Major Major Major Major
Ha! I love the still for the embed of Hillary’s speech!
I’ll actually watch it later…
Schlemazel Khan
I love the still that I see on the Clinton video (don’t know if it is the same for everyone). The look on her face reminds me so much of my mom & her mom, a big grin & a glint in her eye that makes me smile
Adam L Silverman
@Major Major Major Major: You will watch it now…
https://keepingitreel.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/a-clockwork-orange-a-clockwork-orange-14752407-965-577-what-did-you-think.jpeg?w=768
NR
Well it seems that Trump has correctly read the dynamic of this election, which is that while people will never ever vote for him, they will happily, ecstatically even, vote against Hillary Clinton.
He’s going to go all in with the attacks, and it might work. He even called her out for “sniper fire,” which is probably the most egregious example of a bald-faced lie on her part. Sure, he lied and over-exaggerated on half of what he said, but the other half has some teeth to it.
Hillary’s only hope is if the election is a referendum on Donald Trump. If he turns it into a referendum on her, she will lose, big.
Corner Stone
@NR:
Sigh.
ETA, I think you meant “she will lose, bigly”.
debbie
Not sure how Rupert’s dealing with Trump, but this affiliate is actually sharing AP’s fact check on Trump’s speech.
El Caganer
@Corner Stone: Or perhaps “lose, yoooge?”
JustRuss
Trumps seems so…sedate. Weird. Doesn’t seem like much of a strategy, he’s not breaking any new ground, people who think Hilary is the antichrist are already supporting him, and I can’t see anyone else being convinced by that performance.
Well, I guess he has to say something for the next four months. God help us.
Schlemazel Khan
@El Caganer:
Or YOOOOGLY
just cuz
Iowa Old Lady
I don’t think of Clinton as a particularly good speaker, but she was much more dynamic than he was today. He just can’t hack the prepared, teleprompter speech.
Villago Delenda Est
Teh Donald’s “speech” was just recycled crap that’s been thrown at Hillary off and on over the last, what, 24 years, with updates for email and BENGHAZI!!!!.
Pathetic. Sad.
Adam L Silverman
@JustRuss: He managed to upset David Gergen. That’s saying something.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/06/trumps-latest-clinton-attack-leaves-david-gergen-flabbergasted-this-was-a-slanderous-speech/
smith
This is hilarious: For a while now, Jezebel has coined a new, floridly derogatory phrase for Trump just about every mention they make of him. Now someone has made a Chrome extension to substitute one of these phrases for ‘Donald Trump’ any time it appears on a number of news sites. Some examples from the Guardian:
I think this will improve my news reading experience significantly.
Jeffro
Love the cheering for Trump’s claim that he was against the war, “even before it started”…’yeeeaaahh!!!’ Would love to borrow Obama’s time machine and go back to Feb 2003 to see what Mr. ‘Yeeeaaahh!!!!’ was saying to his Fox-News-tuned TV back then.
Villago Delenda Est
@Jeffro: He supported it. He’s a liar. Surprise.
Betty Cracker
@NR: And yet she kicked Bernie’s ass in the primary!
NonyNony
@NR: Yes, I’m sure that recycling attacks that have been made against Clinton for 20+ years is a strategy that cannot possibly fail. Look at how it killed her ability to win a Senate seat and made her too toxic to appoint as Secretary of State.
As a liberal, I’m terrified that Trump will double down on this particular tactic. Because it’s something she’s never seen before and will not possibly have planned any defense for…
Mnemosyne
@NR:
Again: please name the minority voting group you see switching to Trump in large numbers. Is it African-Americans, Latinos, or Asian-Americans?
Because as we all know from both 2008 and 2012, unless Trump gets a majority of the vote from at least one of those three groups, it is impossible for him to win. Period.
So show me the poll with minority voters switching to Trump in large numbers, or STFU.
TaMara (HFG)
Mara Liasson needed a cigarette after Trump’s speech. I can’t even. NPR is dead to me.
lamh36
@NR: personally I think the white folks willing to vote against Hilary by voting for Trump deserve a President Trump, but it’s a good thing I care more about the rest of us who don’t deserve President asshole.
Adam L Silverman
@TaMara (HFG): She makes more money doing her thing at Fox than at NPR, so she has to write to the audience of the former. If she pisses them off, then they complain, and she loses that sinecure.
lamh36
@kira_lerner
NEW: @repjohnlewis writes letter to @SpeakerRyan asking: “What is this Congress waiting for?” #NoBillNoBreak
NR
@NonyNony:
“Sniper fire” isn’t 20 years old, and neither are a lot of the other attacks Trump made on her today.
Randy khan
The Grey Lady had a little fun describing Trump’s speech:
Miss Bianca
@TaMara (HFG): ??!! What is this woman doing on NPR?
Major Major Major Major
@smith: Heh. Installed.
MomSense
@Schlemazel Khan:
I like that too.
Jeffro
@Villago Delenda Est: I think you’re referring to Trump – yes, I know he supported it. I mean the moron cheering Trump. I’d love to confront that person with his Feb 2003 self, just to hear the excuses.
Also, did I hear correctly, that Trump was concerned that HRC’s actions made life harder for “millions of peaceful Muslims, people who just want to raise their families…”. Which reporter’s going to ask him to square that concern with the Muslim immigration ban, Muslims being profiled, and Muslims being expected to somehow ‘confess’ and point out which Muslims are ‘doing the terrorism’?? Should be exciting.
I’m telling you folks, Trump’s “pivot” is just to get him through the convention and prevent a revolt. Once he has the nom, he’s home free in his mind and he’ll do & say whatever he pleases. I couldn’t be happier in that regard.
The Ancient Randonneur
As I commented last night the obvious campaign slogan for the Donald should be:
Trump 2016: Forget the facts, feel the fear
MomSense
@TaMara (HFG):
I was fuming about that too.
Thymezone
Picture a debate between Trump and Clinton featuring today’s rhetoric and style on the part of each.
What I see is Trump getting maybe, maybe, 150 electoral votes. Total mismatch. Trump is fighting way over his weight category.
JordanRules
Someone on twitter said their kids want to eat dinner tonight sitting on the floor at their coffee table in support of House Dems. Good kids!
lamh36
This is what Paul Ryan called a “publicity stunt” on CNN…fucker.
@JuddLegum
Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth, a double amputee veteran, is out of her wheelchair, sitting-in for gun control
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Yep. Once again, a majority of whites will probably vote for tire rims and anthrax, and once again minority voters are going to save us from ourselves. I really wish my people weren’t so damn stupid.
debbie
@lamh36:
Of course those 60+ failed votes against the ACA weren’t political theater, were they, Paul?
Emma
@NR: Dream on, angel. She testified in front of a Congressional committee for more than 9 hours and ended up laughing at them and they ended up with nuffink. And I cannot speak for other members of the coalition but the spanish-language press has been hammering on Trump pretty much constantly. I don’t see a shift to vote for him.
lamh36
ETA: Let me tell you, the NRA is playing with fire. let anything happen to John Lewis other than old age…woo chile…
Redshift
@NR: Wow. I thought your pro-Bernie spin was delusional, but obviously you were just getting warmed up.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
Really? You’re relying on “sniper fire” to get minority voters to go for Trump instead of Clinton?
Jesus fuck, you’re stupid.
MomSense
@lamh36:
The NRA really is vile.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: I wonder what this gentleman will have to say about it?
https://www.youtube.com/user/MrColionNoir
Tom McCrory
@MomSense: Yes the NRA is vile, but they’ve been that way for decades. Now, at long last, they’re starting to be called out on it in ways that will hurt they’re brand.
magurakurin
@NR: are you a troll who just tells us how great repubs are and how much we suck or are you a troll who pretends to be a liberal and tells us to worry because we suck so much and can never hope to defeat the mighty repubs? I never fucking remember.
NR
@Mnemosyne: “Sniper fire” was a lie. Period. I remember it was called out on this very blog when she said it. Are you now going to defend it?
Yes, Trump is a liar too. That doesn’t make Hillary’s lies okay.
Anoniminous
@NR:
Meanwhile, in the world untouched by severe but functional psychosis, it is realized Trump is at 38% national support, there’s no 2012 Obama group who is going to switch to Trump, and two to three percent of Romney’s White Vote isn’t going to vote for the Donald because they’re dead.
Patricia Kayden
@NR: What “scandal” can Trump bring up which we haven’t heard before? How many people who were going to vote for Secretary Clinton are going to turn against her because of Trump’s screechings?
There is nothing new or exciting or scintillating about any of the Clinton “scandals” so there is limited mileage that Trump is going to get from reciting them ad nauseum between now and November. Trump’s goose is cooked, especially if this is all he’s got in his arsenal.
On the other hand, Secretary Clinton hasn’t scratched the surface on the dirt she can throw against Trump and make stick.
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: but Adam…Black folks with guns have to first prove their aren’t thugs, criminals, murderers..etc…don’t you know.
gogol's wife
@Adam L Silverman:
I had to click it off when some woman next to him, after he said the speech was lying and slanderous, says, “But in politics, sometimes perception is just enough to be reality.” GAAAAAHHHHH!
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: I know you’re being snarky and sarcy. And I know you know better than I that the history of what is now called gun control in the US started with the need to keep African Americans disarmed. I don’t begrudge Noir his positions, I’m just curious, given that he’s the NRA’s most high profile/affiliated African American, how he’ll respond to this. Which of his identities – and we all have multiple ones (professional, personal, religious, sexual, gendered, political, public, private, etc) – is going to be strongest here?
john fremont
@MomSense: Damn, and I remember the NRA touting Charlton Heston’s support for Martin Luther King some 15 years ago in their magazine First Freedom as proof that the NRA was the real civil rights organization. Now they’re insinuating that actual civil rights veterans are terrorists. WOW!!!
JPL
@NR: No it doesn’t, but it was not a safe zone. Trump lies about stupid and important stuff. Did you know that he was first in his graduating class at Wharton? Those are things you can fact check.
schrodinger's cat
Question: How many Sanders dead-enders are in reality GOP trolls? NR has just revealed himself.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
The fact that you think one of the dumbest attacks from 2008 is going to get minority voters to vote for a racist slumlord instead just underlines how around the bend you’ve gone.
Yeah, I said “sniper fire” was a dumbass attack in 2008, and it’s an even dumber one now.
gogol's wife
@Anoniminous:
I want to subscribe to your newsletter, or whatever that trope is for approving of what somebody just said.
different-church-lady
@NR:
For you, it is fixed.
Betty Cracker
@NR: Honest to Christ, what is the point of your endless carping about Clinton? What do you hope to accomplish by it? It almost made sense during the primary, when you could pretend to be trying to convince Clinton supporters to vote for Sanders. But the primary is over. Clinton won, and Sanders lost. Are you going to spend the next five months pissing down your leg about Trump’s impending victory and meeping “I told you so”? FFS, man! Get a more interesting hobby, such as fashioning pilgrim costumes for hamsters out of dryer lint. You — and we all, I dare say — would find that much more diverting than this pathetic Eeyore bullshit.
Ian
@NR:
Concerned. Belies factual data, but very concerned.
debbie
@debbie:
I just now heard that Paul Ryan’s introducing yet another plan to overturn ACA. I haven’t heard Clinton call out the insanity of these 60+ failed tries, but I hope she plans to.
chopper
@NR:
oh noes! we should have put up the elderly finger-wagging socialist instead!
TIlda Swinton's Bald Cap is back
@NR: Well if she does lose, and Trump burns it down, you guys will have provided the gasoline.
different-church-lady
@gogol’s wife:
Thymezone
@NR: It could have been a mistake. Someone on the plane may have said they were being fired on, without knowing for sure. That sort of thing. Insisting that it’s a deliberate and venal lie is basically just bullshit. It could have been, but I don’t see any evidence for it. And it’s not in character. Ms. Clinton hasn’t established a record that says to me that she’s an habitual liar.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: You can paper over these concerns all you want, Betty, but I’m starting to doubt that Clinton will be reelected.
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: Truly, it depends on the person’s sense of what is more important. You can be a gun control advocate and still own and have guns. As a Black man, he, I’m sure knows, that no one will be checking his NRA membership if he is ever seen as a threat, or suspect. If he delusional enough not to realize that to some his Blackness comes before his NRA membership status, then when/if he receives what Paul Mooney calls his “wake up call”, one hopes its doesn’t have a tragic outcome
Anoniminous
@gogol’s wife:
Thank you
different-church-lady
@TIlda Swinton’s Bald Cap is back: Look, he’s not saying vote for Trump. He’s saying Clinton is a horrible horrible candidate and person who constantly does corrupt things and has terrible policy and will probably lose in November. These aren’t the same at all!
NR
@TIlda Swinton’s Bald Cap is back: We aren’t the ones who decided it was a good idea to nominate a candidate who the country hates.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: That’s what I was thinking. I don’t know the guy, just of him. Don’t watch his channel, don’t read his commentaries.
TIlda Swinton's Bald Cap is back
@NR: Own it motherfucker, if she loses you helped.
FlipYrWhig
@Betty Cracker:
For years NR has come around to share NR’s view that the Democratic Party is a racket intent on spiting NR personally. NR may in fact be Bernie Sanders.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
Seriously. You actually think that Latino voters are going to be persuaded to vote for “build a wall” Trump based on a “sniper fire” attack from 8 years ago.
Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?
FlipYrWhig
@different-church-lady: To be fair, before he was saying that about Hillary Clinton in particular, he was saying that about all Democrats individually and collectively.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
You know who doesn’t hate Hillary? African-American, Latino, and Asian-American voters.
Corner Stone
@Baud:
I am also starting to have my doubts, actually. And my concerns.
Baud
@FlipYrWhig: I still can’t believe Obama lost.
NR
@different-church-lady: And even with all of that, I still think she’s a better choice than Trump.
It remains to be seen if the country will agree with me.
guachi
LOL. Donald Trump is so terrible at reading off a Teleprompter. And, wow, what a crowd! He had literally DOZENS of people in the audience. DOZENS!
Corner Stone
Go home Derek Jeter, you’re drunk.
different-church-lady
@NR:
You know, it’s funny: I thought I was exaggerating your point-of-view…
NR
@TIlda Swinton’s Bald Cap is back: Clap louder or Tinkerbell will die.
*Yawn.*
The Lodger
@Randy khan: Someone will have to invent an entirely new class of simile to describe what it’s like to ba called a liar by Donald Trump.
Frankensteinbeck
@magurakurin: and @Betty Cracker:
As long as I have read Balloon Juice, there have been a small set of commenters whose only role is to show up in threads about how great a Democrat is, and derail it into a thread about whether or not the Democrat sucks. I don’t think it matters why they do it, but they usually succeed. NR is one of those commenters.
Emma
@FlipYrWhig: I thought he was Mitt Romney, myself. There’s a certain whine in the voice…
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: “Lady, it rose below vulgarity.”
Omnes Omnibus
@FlipYrWhig: Kill the Bill! Also too.
different-church-lady
@Frankensteinbeck:
Thoughtful David
@Adam L Silverman:
Her and her gig at Fox News is one of the main reasons I quit supporting and rarely listen to NPR.
Trump delenda est
Cat48
@debbie:
New & improved repeal which block grants it to states so they can switch to a high risk pool. Also, it raises Medicare age to 67. Real #Fail
Baud
Flipped to MSNBC. Trump is on my TV.
nastybrutishntall
@NR: When did lefties become such bed-wetting concern trolls? Oh, like forever. I forgot.
Chyron HR
@NR:
Still haven’t come up with a second post yet, huh? Well, you’ve got almost six more months to think of something.
NR
@different-church-lady: I have consistently said that I think Hillary is a bad choice, but nonetheless better than Trump.
nastybrutishntall
@lamh36: Reason mag is saying they are sitting in to create a police state. It’s nut soup over there.
qwerty42
@NR: We aren’t the ones who decided it was a good idea to nominate a candidate who the country hates.
The Democratic voters did. By a huge margin.
different-church-lady
@NR: So you’re an advocate for Poe’s Law. Got it.
NR
@Chyron HR:
Your violent fantasies are fucking creepy. Keep them to yourself.
TIlda Swinton's Bald Cap is back
@NR: Still not willing to admit your role in all of this, you’re pathetic. Go fuck yourself.
Travels with Charley
I watched most of Trump’s speech. Did anyone else notice the weird sniffing thing he did before almost every sentence? Very distracting! Of course, that’s in context with the entire fact free speech….
nutella
Fun Bernie-sis tweet (via @algiordano)
Bernie & all of us created the political environment where politicians can show courage & take action
She’s taking credit for what John Lewis does.
ETA: tweet seems to have been deleted now. Maybe somebody taught her a little history today.
Chyron HR
The one upshot of eleven straight months of Bernie bullshit is that we get to watch the self-proclaimed. true progressives become consumed with grief and rage when Trump loses.
But, you know, “from the left”.
qwerty42
@NR: And even with all of that, I still think she’s a better choice than Trump.
It remains to be seen if the country will agree with me.
Agreed there. As Adam wrote a few days ago, the Trump candidacy is mainstreaming some of the worst of the fringe right. The “white nationalists”, anti-Semites, sexists, bigots of all sorts.
JordanRules
@Travels with Charley: Another poster noticed it’s only during his teleprompter speeches and not his freestyle hate and lie fests.
hovercraft
@NR:
Republicans have spent the past 25 years telling us about the criminal acts of the Clinton’s and have for that entire period cast Hillary as Lady Macbeth. It has been successful in as much as it has made republicans hate her and caused the media to question every word she says. During that time she has done nothing but thrive. Twice elected in her own right to the senate, come within a hairsbreadth of winning her parties nomination, served as a popular Secretary of State, and now win her parties nomination. She has done all this in the face of ceaseless attacks and a hostile media. The fact that Combover Caligula wishes to rehash all this shit does not change the fact that she has weathered this shit for 25 years. In spite of all that she is beating him, he can try and turn the focus onto her, but his ego will not let it stand, he will be the center of attention because he is a narcissist. The GOP and their media handmaidens have also spent the last eight years blaming Obama for the wreckage left behind by W and what was the result ? He was re-elected and his approval ratings are rising.
To the people who hate the democrats this speech was a home run, to normal people who see Hillary as just another politician with a typical politicians strengths and weaknesses. So if this is his plan to beat her, I say keep fucking that chicken. Rehashing and recycling bullshit does not shine the turd that is Donald Trump.
Thoughtful David
@Emma: That explains why he’s “NR” and not “MR.” If he used his real initials we’d have cottoned onto him right away.
Trump delenda est
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: There is that as well.
Adam L Silverman
@Travels with Charley: He’s congested. As someone suffering a summer cold that developed over the past two days, I sympathize. But that’s about it.
Mnemosyne
@NR:
Still waiting to hear which minority voter group you see switching to Trump in large enough numbers to swing the election.
NR
@TIlda Swinton’s Bald Cap is back: So hostile. Are you waking up to how weak your candidate is?
Like I said, you guys nominated her. If she loses, it’s on you.
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Jeff Spender
I gotta say that Trump is far surprassing my expectation in terms of suckage.
Thoughtful David
@Travels with Charley:
I didn’t see it, but that kind of thing could make a great viral video–just clips of him sniffing, and sniffing and… Then whenever he gave a speech that’s all anyone would notice.
I haven’t got the video-editing-fu to do it.
Trump delenda est
hovercraft
@NR:
Yes we’ve nominated a candidate everyone hates so much that she’s losing in all the polls. Right? Elections are a choice, and when given this choice America seems to be agreeing with the choice that the democratic base made.
Wapiti
One wonders if Trump’s people have to dose him with something before the teleprompter speeches. Something that mellows him out; curbs that urge to just say whatever flits to the front of his brain-pan. “Just read from the script, Champ.”
hovercraft
@Corner Stone:
Hey now, them’s fighting words. Leave my Jeter alone.
Terry chay
@schrodinger’s cat: probably just him. RightToBanhammer was never a beanie supporter, Hollandais Bechamel seemed authentic, and BobInPutin seemed under the pay of Russia, not the republicans.
rikyrah
C-Span really IS showing periscope!!!
I’ll be damned.
Omnes Omnibus
@hovercraft: Nasty Clinton lady. We hates it. We hates it forever!
NotoriousJRT
@Adam L Silverman: I wonder if she were dumped from NPR whether she would no longer be of value to her Fox friends. I have complained to NPR but they don’t understand her conflict as you (I believe correctly) describe it. She never has any true insights to offer, which is my biggest beef with her.
Mnemosyne
@Terry chay:
One of the best afternoons ever was when RTR started trying to get BiP to agree with him. I love troll battles.
rikyrah
I wish a muthaphucka would.
Diable Noir
@eclecticbrotha
Did the GOP really say they’re coming back to the House to remove Dems from the floor? Please proceed, NRA dupes.
NotoriousJRT
@NR:
Yes, Trump is a liar too. That doesn’t make Hillary’s lies okay.
Grow up, please.
bmoak
@different-church-lady:
NR didn’t vote for Obama in ’12 and made scads of posts about how Obama losing the support of true principled liberals like himself and Freddie DeBoer could/would cost him the election and that every misstep Obama made was a game-changing disaster.
dogwood
@Mnemosyne:
NR and other Bernie worshippers don’t give a shit about minority voters or women voters. You see, if Bernie won the nomination they’d expect President Obama and Hillary Clinton to rally those people. Bernie and his supporters don’t mess with those folks. And they don’t campaign for anyone but Bernie.
patroclus
If Trump thinks he’s going to have success with the “sniper fire” criticism, he needs to actually get it right. It wasn’t a “lie” because she really did go to Tuzla and it was in fact a dangerous place. What it instead was was a wild exaggeration of a junior Senator who wanted to pretend that she had more foreign policy chops than she actually did at the time. And it was hilarious – there was a wonderful diary on the GOS about how Sinbad and Sheryl Crowe both got wasted while Hillary led the fight to safety. But Obama didn’t “attack” her on it – we Obama supporters merely made fun of it (royally!). And we didn’t vote against her because of it, we instead voted against her because she supported the authorization of the Iraq War. Since then, she’s been Secretary of State and actually flew into dangerous war zones in Kabul, Karachi, Baghdad, Tel Aviv and a whole bunch more – which Trump has obviously never done. (And, of course, she personally orchestrated the Honduran coup which resulted in so many deaths and refugees – wait!). And crucially, she negotiated the exit of our combat forces from Iraq. The point being – she isn’t a junior Senator anymore, she’s an accomplished world statesperson and she doesn’t need to wildly exaggerate anythiing. Trump and his trolls attacking her for it is like attacking Churchill for saying something stupid in 1913 – it’s out of context and has been eclipsed by real life since then.
I still reserve the right to make fun of her for making stupid statements (the “Nancy Reagan leading on AIDS in the 80’s” thing) when and if she ever does them but compared to a proto-Fascist who wants to deport 11 million people and ban people from entering the country on infantile illegal religious grounds and build a stupid wall in the middle of nowhere to address a non-existent problem, she’s clearly a preferable candidate no matter what she said 8 years ago about flying into Tuzla when she was FLOTUS.
lamh36
@thehill 11m11 minutes ago
JUST IN: GOP will attempt to end Dem’s sit-in and seize back House floor
NOT on camera of course…what is Speaker Ryan afraid of…I wonder…
debbie
@Baud:
This is overdue morning snark, right?
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Bernie, NR and his fellow Berniebros massive butthurt whining about Hillary gives me great comfort that Hillary is the right choice. They should be embarrassed at their support of someone as petty and small as Sanders, who doesn’t give a shit about them (except their money). White entitled butthurt isn’t a revolution, it’s a tantrum, and Bernie is a babyman who got stuck in the 60s when he felt relevant. His followers are COSplaying at trying to recreate it, but the grown ups are in charge now.
dogwood
@lamh36:
I hope the democrats just let the republicans scream and yell. They should just sit quietly and let them carry on. It would be great if the Republicans brought in security to remove them. Never underestimate the power of peaceful protest.
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Okay, I clicked through to the whole article and I still can’t figure out what the Republican plan is. Can’t the Democrats just stand up, go to their desks to vote, and then go back to their sit-in? What am I missing?
lamh36
hovercraft
@lamh36:
Has anyone explained how it will look wrestling Tammy Duckworth and John Lewis off the house floor?
Adam L Silverman
@NotoriousJRT: How are you doing today?
I don’t know, Juan Williams is still of use after his Fox gig got him sideways with his NPR gig. Its Ailes, so who knows.
Baud
@debbie: I was snarky this morning.
different-church-lady
@lamh36: Gotta wonder if they’ll be dumb enough to use fire hoses and German Shepherds.
debbie
@different-church-lady:
Maybe not that specifically, but you can be sure they’ll be very theatrical in their condemnation of the Dems’ political theater.
lamh36
@hovercraft: As Adam said upthread, Ryan et al figured turning the cameras off would be enough. Another example of a party that can even be bothered to understand the new landscape of social media…smh
japa21
NR still believes that if Bernie had the nomination, he would beat Trump. Fact is, Sanders is probably the only Dem candidate possible who would lose easily to Trump.
Sanders couldn’t get Dems to vote for him. He had to count on non-Dems to get any traction, many of them not even liberals or progressives, just people that don’t like Clinton.
And the fact is, despite everything you might read, he never was close to getting the nomination, mainly because he never had a good argument to convince people he was worth voting for. About the only thing he could say was Clinton was horrible, so vote for me.
My biggest fear come election day is that it is so obvious Clinton will win that some Dems will stay home, feeling their votes aren’t needed which will hurt down ticket races.
gwangung
@NR: And you consistently conflate people with white people.
May want to do something about that. Could be accused of making racist statements.
debbie
@lamh36:
From your link:
Can you imagine the nerve of some people!
debbie
@Baud:
Apologies for missing that. I get stuck on the puppies and kittens pix.
lamh36
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: @lamh36: This is what will happen, which is what I estimated earlier. They will cut all power, plus the A/C, and lock the chamber from the outside. Anyone inside will be in the dark completely with no way out. And no one will be allowed in. If that doesn’t work I expect they’ll have the Sergeant at Arms physically remove them.
ETA: And remember locked into the chamber means no access to restrooms. This could get ugly in terms of the optics. It could get uglier in terms of actual physical interactions. Remember, it is not illegal for members of Congress to assault and/or batter each other in the chamber. Though it hasn’t happened for a very long time. Some of the members of the Freedom Caucus do not seem to have a lot of impulse control…
gogol's wife
@different-church-lady:
Well, then I made a mistake, because I wanted to approve.
Schlemazel Khan
It seems to me that NR comes here to dump a load of shit that is obviously GOP endorsed, industrial grade horse shit. I don’t care why he does it, I do fond it sad that people think they can argue with him. He is not like Unlimited Brinks Trucks R word in that you can’t even make fun of him. It would be so much better for all of us if we just talked around him. Sort of like having a dear friend with a 3 year old that just refuses to let mommy & daddy have a grown up conversation when they are fed, dry and exercised but still insist on interrupting. Just talk around him.
debbie
@Adam L Silverman:
There’s a picture. The grown-up Republicans strong-arming the opposition. Der Trumpsters!
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
Oh no! Turning off the lights and air conditioning will clearly make John Lewis change his mind! //
This is like when Superman’s enemies decide to throw a punch at him.
lamh36
Someone should tweets the names and pics of the victims from Sandy Hook, Charleston, Orlando…etc to Ryan and use with that hashtag…
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman:
I wasn’t singing. I did do a lot of skulking with intent though.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
I don’t doubt that it’s going to get ugly. But I think John Lewis has a much higher threshold for “ugly” than most people. He was on the Edmund Pettis Bridge.
lamh36
@Adam L Silverman: the idea of the Freedom caucus getting into fist a cuffs or draggin John freakin Lewis!!!
Talk about bad optics, on camera or not! Once outside the chamber…press cameras will be on.
lamh36
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: @lamh36: I am well aware of his history and constantly impressed by it and him. I don’t think most members of the GOP Caucus really understand it or who he is – its not something they really get. I wrote earlier that Speaker Ryan was likely to be very, very angry over this. Congressman McDermott gave a speech that made it to Facebook during the sit in laying out that Speaker Ryan was going to (over) react badly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuNwSMvmFps
We will now see just how bad the reaction is and just how in or out of control the GOP Caucus is.
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIroRqO_BpM
lamh36
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: That woman, if I may borrow a Native American reference, is an avatar of Coyote!
http://www.native-languages.org/legends-coyote.htm
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
Some folks in the GOP caucus called Lewis the n-word a few years ago. I don’t think self-control is their forte.
ETA: Hmm. Refreshing my memory, it was during the PPACA and it may have been protesters, not congresscritters.
Baud
Did Chris Hayes just say that the GOP had a sit in once to force a vote to open up Alaska to drilling?
lamh36
Here’s why this would never work for GOP…the Dems have John Lewis and many members of the caucus who are not new to sit-ins and protest demonstrations.
Who does the GOP caucus have? A bunch of ole white men and women, who if they did protest as a youth, have been so bought and sold to NRA and certain other entities, that the idea of a “sit-in” would never cross their minds. And what will they sit-in on, that has a large number of Americans in agreement?
lamh36
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Yes, but it wasn’t exactly a sit in. Rather they tried to hold the floor open in 2009 to force a vote on a total approach to energy exploration bill.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/when-democrats-turned-out-the-lights-on-republicans/488321/
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Thanks.
lamh36
Mnemosyne
Uh-oh. Lin-Manuel Miranda is throwing his support to John Lewis. It’s over now!
/mostly kidding
Adam L Silverman
@lamh36: She’s sitting on Congresswoman Duckworth’s lap.
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: If I remember correctly, and I may not, the House chamber doors can be secured from the outside by the Sergeant at Arms in a way that makes them unopenable from the inside. Again, I may be remembering incorrectly. I haven’t had to teach a course on Congress in well over a decade. And I’m not bothering my friend at this hour. So short answer: maybe, maybe not…
tybee
the reichstag fire with the sit-in trapped inside…
redshirt
Gosh, I wonder how the MSM covered these two speeches.
“Both sides are liars”?
NotoriousJRT
@Adam L Silverman:
I am still quite sad but back on the horse at work. Thank you for asking.
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: “Godwinitating”
Adam L Silverman
@tybee: I think it was for when the Sergeant at Arms is empowered to, essentially, arrest members of the House, bring them to the chamber, in order for them to make up a quorum and take a vote. When that happens the Sergeant at Arms secures the chamber. What I don’t remember is whether when this happens the securing the chamber is fully ceremonial and the locks work from both directions or if once locked the doors can’t be opened. I’d like to believe its the latter, but I can’t recall if its not the former. So do not take my word for it!
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman: Sounds positively Sistine.
Adam L Silverman
@NotoriousJRT: You’re welcome. I’ve been there and understand completely.
Adam L Silverman
@Omnes Omnibus: I was thinking more Disney’s Haunted Mansion, but that works too!
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: @tybee: I checked both the House Sergeant at Arms website and the History of the House Sergeants at Arms page and it just discusses the power to compel members presence in the chamber in order for them to vote. Nothing about sealing it. I may be remembering, or rather misremembering, a political science urban legend or myth.
Omnes Omnibus
@Adam L Silverman:
Once the Reps are in the chamber, the Sergeant at Arms releases dementors in the hallways.
The Lodger
@lamh36: Time to make the legislation.
J R in WV
@Adam L Silverman:
I doubt that the Sargent at Arms could/would remove the Democratic members physically. You think there are enough fascists on his force to brutalize members of congress?
They know one day the Republicans will no longer be the majority, and then what, if they manhandle the Democratic members?
And if they do manhandle the Democratic members, there would be witnesses, video, and hospital records. That would be such good optics for the Republicans. It worked so well for Bull and his subordinates in Selma. They are members of Congress, who should put them out of their chamber?
aimai
@gwangung: More like: could be accused of utter irrelevance. Anyone on the Democratic/revolutionary side of things that doesn’t get that white people’s feelings aren’t the most important thing anymore, anymore than their votes are the only ones that count anymore, is irrelevant to the political future of this country.
NR
@japa21:
Nope. That’s Hillary Clinton.
NR
@gwangung:
I’d love to see a single shred of proof for this statement.
randy khan
NR is getting pretty boring.
Now the sit-in, that’s interesting.
It appears that Ryan’s clever plan to stop it is to try to hold votes late tonight on unrelated issues. I’m not sure why he thinks that will work, or that anyone will notice.