Thursday Morning Open Thread: “Your Cheeto Jesus”

Up with the rocket and down with the stick, my Irish granny used to predict about overnight celebrities — like a firework briefly dazzling all bystanders before the dead fuse dropped to the ground. Looks like the GOP may be searching for that stick to beat their presumptive presidential nominee (and as a loyal Democrat, I must applaud their efforts). Per Politico

Donald Trump is relying heavily on the Republican Party to bolster his skeletal operation, but his campaign’s relationship with the Republican National Committee is increasingly plagued by distrust, power struggles and strategic differences, according to sources in both camps.

In recent days, RNC chairman Reince Priebus has privately grumbled that his advice doesn’t seem welcome with Trump, according to one RNC insider. Other party officials have expressed frustration that Trump’s campaign is trying to take too much control over a pair of fundraising committees with the party while adding little to the effort, according to campaign and party officials familiar with the relationship…

Meanwhile, there’s deep skepticism on Trump’s campaign about the RNC’s commitment to the presumptive GOP nominee, with some campaign officials questioning how hard the RNC is working to help Trump and to raise money for his campaign’s joint committees with the party…

The fraught dynamic is a potentially serious liability for an insurgent campaign that has proudly eschewed political infrastructure and is dwarfed by Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s operation, which is expected to raise $1.5 billion or more. And the situation is equally problematic for the Republican Party, which typically relies on its presidential candidate to help boost down-ballot candidates, enhance voter data and raise money…

The Trump campaign would not comment on the record about its relationship with the RNC. One Trump Tower official called it “a great relationship. I work well with everybody over there and I haven’t heard of anyone who doesn’t have a great relationship with them.”…

Rick Wilson is a professional Republican campaign operative with a filthy mouth and a history of gleeful muckery — the kind of guy who, if he shakes your hand, you should count your fingers afterwards. He also has a standing beef with Donald Trump. (That article from last fall was addressed to the other GOP candidates, but I sincerely hope the Clinton campaign took notes.) Last night Mr. Wilson put out a series of tweets that are being gleefully shared around the political-wonk internet, including:

Complete tweet series, storified, here. Since we know that the Vulgar Talking Yam, aka Captain Bankruptcy, aka Lord Short Thumbs, is extreeeemely sensitive about any slur to his magnificent person, I look forward to a stream of incoherent (yet entertaining!) rebuttal tweets as soon as Hair Fuhrer has had the chance to get the object atop his head glued into place…

Apart from wishing (ever more) confusion to our enemies, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    For obvious reasons, I prefer this spelling: Cheato.

    I’m up before dawn because we’re having a thunderstorm. Wanna hear the rain and see distant lightning briefly illuminate my chicken coop?

    Also, via CNN, Trump is apparently stung by all the alarmed Republican grousing and made vague threats to go third party during a rambling address in Atlanta yesterday:

    “We have to have our Republicans either stick together or let me just do it by myself. I’ll do very well. I’m going to do very well. OK? I’m going to do very well. A lot of people thought I should do that anyway, but I’ll just do it very nicely by myself,” Trump said, though he did not elaborate on what doing it “by myself” would mean.

    The presumptive Republican presidential nominee also accused his party’s leaders of being weak and told them to “please be quiet.”

    “You know the Republicans, honestly folks, our leaders, our leaders have to get tougher,” Trump said during a rally in Atlanta. “Our leaders have to get a lot tougher. And be quiet. Just please be quiet. Don’t talk. Please be quiet. Just be quiet to the leaders because they have to get tougher, they have to get sharper, they have to get smarter.”

    At least I think that’s a threat to go third party. Hard to tell with Trump’s vague, circular, repetitive rhetoric. I’m enjoying this election so much!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    It’s always “get smarter” with Teh Donald. What exactly does “smarter” mean to him? Get griftier? Get more disingenuous? Tell more obvious lies to anyone outside of the Drumpfenproletariat, but the Drumpfentroopers eat up? That fundraiser in Atlanta…no one knows how much it actually raised, because Teh Donald probably stuffed half of it in to a suitcase to be delivered to an account in the Caymans in his name.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Smarter and tougher — that’s the cure recommended by il Douche no matter what the malady. And he never elaborates because that’s all he’s got.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Trump is a man on a island. His polls numbers show it and Republican leaders are starting to say it. How much more can the GOP take?

    In politics, good gets better and bad gets worst. Last week was terrible for Trump; some members of his own party were attacking him as a racist. Well, believe or not, this week things have only gotten worse for Trump and it’s only Wednesday.

    Trump’s response to the Orlando massacre has his party’s leadership simply running for cover.

    Recent polling has been brutal to Trump. While President Obama and Hillary Clinton have positive ratings for their reaction to the Orlando massacre, Trump is 26 points underwater, with his unfavorable rating hitting a new high of 70 percent – unprecedented for a presidential candidate.

    Things could get even worse for Republicans when you consider the timing of this intra party spat.

    Over the past two weeks Republicans have slammed Trump’s rhetoric as un-American, racist, a bigot, inappropriate, and indefensible.

    Chuck Todd

    Todd wouldn’t be comfortable saying this unless republicans, interest groups, and fund raisers weren’t privately FREAKING OUT.

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    satby says:

    I hope they’ve frantically trying to figure out a way to un-nominate him at the convention so that the immolation of the RNC is complete. But he’s sounding increasingly unhinged (incredible, I know) and it’s even money whether he even makes it to the convention without a cardiac event or a psychotic break.

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    Mary G says:

    Even the Trumpkins seem to be tiring of the act. He’s had whole tiers of empty seats at the Atlanta rallies. This is funny until you remember the Bush administration.

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    NotMax says:

    Republican convention may become the most sparsely attended gathering since the National Procrastinators Meeting.

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    MattF says:

    Two tasks to toil away on at work. Nothing much to add to the Der Trump threads. Orangeman has the last word on what he does, but actions have consequences.

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    Splitting Image says:

    The Trump campaign would not comment on the record about its relationship with the RNC. One Trump Tower official called it “a great relationship. I work well with everybody over there and I haven’t heard of anyone who doesn’t have a great relationship with them.”…

    Observatiion: Trump also believes he has a great relationship with blacks, Mexicans, women, gays, lesbians, Jews, and Muslims. And that’s why he is going to win in November.

    (They are so screwed.)

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Betty Cracker: Yes, he’s remarkably short on detail…and the crowds at his rallies have no problem with that, but they are the only ones…and he judges how well he’s doing based on that feedback alone. Any other feedback he gets he ignores or whines about.

    Rinse Prebus is going to be in a straitjacket by the end of July at this rate.

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    raven says:

    Kimmel showed video of that fucking moron Hermann Cain introducing Trump with his “shuckey duckey” shtick.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning ☺, Everyone 😁

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    ABC News — Donald Trump Ratings — June 8 thur 12



    Gallup Poll — President Obama Ratings — June 15, 2016


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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Now they begin to eat themselves:

    The audience matched the tone of Trump’s speech. Before Trump came on stage an announcer asked – as is customary at Trump rallies – that supporters identify any protesters to security and shout “Trump! Trump! Trump!” until the dissenters were removed.

    There were protesters, and their presence was particularly obvious in the smaller, dimly lit venue. When security escorted them out through the emergency exits, the opened doors shot rays of sunlight across the theater.

    The suspicion of protesters reached a point at which Trump supporters were informing on each other for not being “real” supporters. One woman pointed security toward a couple sitting quietly in their seats. “Them,” she mouthed. The couple seemed baffled and denied to a security agent that they were anything but genuine Trump admirers. He waved them toward the exit and said, “Let’s go.”

    Afterward the informer, who declined to give her name, grinned as onlookers congratulated her. “I heard one of them say ‘Never Trump’,” she said. “And one held up three fingers, like this.” She held up her hand in a Boy Scout salute.

    What did the three fingers signify?

    “I have no idea,” she said.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Only 32 days until the Cleveland riots begin.

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    bemused says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Oh my, is the manbaby starting to panic? This should be fun, I hope.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    ► Colbert calls Trump a Nazi (clip)

    Seth Meyers said the candidate reached a “new low” with his response to the Orlando attack.

    “When it comes to bigotry, Trump keeps upping his game,” Meyers said Tuesday. “He’s like if Joseph McCarthy was exposed to gamma radiation and became a racist orange Hulk with tiny hands. Hulk mad, hands too small to smash.”

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    Cermet says:

    On “League of Ordinary Gentlemen” blog, the article “Can We Please Not Spend the Next Five Months Pretending This is Going to Be A Close Election?” (see balloon-juice link) really, really explains exactly why the election is long over and tRump goes down in flames; Mr. Kelly’s points are spot on and I didn’t fully realize exactly why tRump had to lose. Anyone worried about Hillary’s chances needs to read this article. It is really good, insightful and made me not worry nearly so much.

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    bemused says:


    Jesus these Trumpbots. They’d be the first ones who would gleefully point out people to send to concentration camps.

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    raven says:

    And, while Joe hammers Trump, Mika says he spoke to “a packed house” at the Fox in Atlanta. Jesus fucking christ. I realize she is parroting what she is fed but what the fuck???

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Betty Cracker: like the rain sound effect. reminds me of the opening of The Who’s “Love Reign O’er Me”

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    bemused says:

    @Splitting Image:

    How about the disabled? I don’t think he’s “reached out” to them yet.

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    JPL says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Yesterday I was reading the local NPR reporters tweets and he indicated the same thing. It takes if you see something, say something to a new level.

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    I have a nice drive to and from Key West yesterday. I got there 2 hours ahead of my appointment and found out that the Wifi in Starbucks sucks dry green donkey hooters. On the way back I stopped at a place called Island Grill in Islamorada and had a great hogfish sandwich and watched a manatee swim by.

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    Jeff Spender says:

    @bemused: Remember when he mocked the disabled NYT reporter?

    Of course, that reporter will be voting for Trump.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @bemused: DINGDINGDING!!!!

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    Kay says:

    State-level stuff:

    Trump recently spent 40 minutes on the phone with the Ohio Republican Party’s Borges. The message? Trump generally would set up his Ohio campaign however Borges thought he should. That approach, along with a heavy reliance on the Republican National Committee, is the Trump campaign’s prevailing strategy across the country right now.
    The campaign has yet to make any hires, but Borges is communicating with the Trump campaign about possibilities for their team and for an Ohio Republican Party hire to coordinate efforts between the Trump campaign and the state party.
    One problem: The Kasich aides and allies who account for most of the state party’s recent electoral success generally are not interested in working for Trump, whose signature campaign proposals stand in stark contrast with Kasich’s approaches. Jeff Polesovsky, the political director for Kasich’s recent presidential bid, took himself out of consideration for a spot running the billionaire’s campaign in Ohio.
    Robert Scott, the Dayton attorney and tea party leader who headed Trump’s primary effort in Ohio, has remained part of the campaign and could have a role in Ohio.
    Clinton’s campaign in Ohio has already hired its chief staffers and is coordinating with the Ohio Democratic Party. Heading the Ohio effort is Chris Wyant, a Hyde Park native and a veteran of President Barack Obama’s campaigns.

    This is odd:

    Most leading Ohio Republicans backed Kasich’s bid and have gradually come behind Trump, with varying degrees of enthusiasm. But not Kasich, who last week met with donors who might back his effort to continue traveling the country to spread his message.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @raven: Haha! I am listening to MJ for a change, and as soon as I heard that line, I thought about your photo of the empty upper tier. Still, lies aside, I am relishing Scarborough’s braying indignation this morning.

    Meanwhile, Trump retweeted this insanity from insane person Ann Coulter:

    Trump’s speech today was Churchillian, only better. You can tell by the spluttering hysteria on TV about @realDonaldTrump.

    This gives me hope that Trump won’t listen to his critics and get his shit together. He’ll choose the alternate reality of Ann Coulter and the rest of the gibbering goons who tell him he’s winning, winning, winning.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mustang Bobby: It being Islamorada that manatee was a Muslim, right?

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    raven says:

    @Mustang Bobby: How was their internet?

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    That line about GOP leaders being weak and needing to get tougher will sell extremely well with the mouth-breathing moran base! That is a tune that talk radio and the Internet puke funnel has been calling for 8 -9 years now to explain why the magic pony fairy has not undone ACA, defeated the Muslim Usurper and brought economic paradise via tax cuts & no government. That line is a knife to the heart of the GOP, sharpened by the wingnut Wurlitzer.

    Your mentioning it was my second smile of the morning. The first and best since this weekend was those tweets, particularly “your Cheeto Jesus”. I actually laughed. Though I may take your spelling, Cheato Jesus!

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    p.a. says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    il Douche

    I not so humbly submit: ill Douche

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    Central Planning says:


    Republican convention may become the most sparsely attended gathering since the National Procrastinators Meeting.

    I was going to go to that.

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    geg6 says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    OMG, I’ve been to the Island Grill in Islamorada! Great food! Islamorada is one of the few places in Florida that I long to see again. That and Key Largo.

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    Van Buren says:

    My teepee is not working properly. Every night when I put on CNN, Death of a Salesman comes on.

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    bemused says:

    @Jeff Spender:

    I won’t ever forget that disgusting display. He and Limbaugh have so much in common. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump saw Limbaugh mock Michael J Fox and thought it was hilarious.

    I just haven’t heard Trump try to fake support for disabled voters like he has with almost every other group he has shamefully offended. It’s kind of surprising considering how many of his supporters are old white guys using walkers and wheelchairs.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:
    I thing Toddler would say something like this but only with a follow up on how much worse it is for the Dems and how they will never heal the Sanders/Clinton riff and party insiders are saying the Dems are DOOMED! But I see your point

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    Sure he did. Drumpf reached out to disabled people with that loving portrayal of a disabled reporter. It was a sensitive rendition of the difficulty the reporter must experience every day, just as one would expect from the Cheato Jesus.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    It’s not just that Trump isn’t doing well. He’s barely even running a campaign.

    He’s spent last six weeks in erratic barrage of self inflicted wounds and petulant attacks on necessary allies.

    Any other candidate wld be fleshing out team, developing campaign damaged psyche.

    It wld be like a football game where one team isn’t even taking the field because the QB is on the sideline knifing his teammates. The daily particulars are so mesmerizing you have to step back to see that Trump isn’t even running a campaign.

    Josh Marshall

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    bemused says:


    I was going to say fema camps but that wouldn’t be punishment enough for Trumpbots who want blood so bad they can taste it. Seriously, they are going to be mighty frustrated when the Trump rallies end and Trump goes down in flames and there’s nowhere for them to rage. That thought makes me nervous.

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    bemused says:

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    Snort. I can’t really remember how Trump responded, too damn many Trump outrages to keep track of, but think he probably was shocked, shocked that anyone would think he was mocking the reporter’s hand movements.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    You can almost hear Drumpf, in his bunker during those final days, shouting “Where is Coulter? Where are her divisions?

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    @raven: Slower than dial-up, and I couldn’t even get into my web e-mail account. But the organic strawberry lemonade was groovy.

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    @geg6: Next time you go back to Island Grill, ask for Topher to wait on you. Good friend of mine and he knows what’s good there.

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    bemused says:


    Was Joe red faced? It might be a good idea for Joe to wear a blood pressure cuff while on air with a doc standing nearby.

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    By the way, today my parents are celebrating their 68th anniversary. I am very aware of the fact that most of my friends who are close to my age have lost either one or both of their parents, and I feel very blessed to still have them and in relatively good health and good spirits. Dad’s doing well as he approaches 90 in August, and Mom is as sharp as a tack. She pops in here on occasion — Hi Mom! Happy anniversary.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Jeff Spender: This got lost in the Orlando shitstorm, but just before news got out about the massacre, Drumpf claimed that he would never, ever mock the disabled. Even though there’s footage of him doing precisely that at one of his rallies.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Wow! That’s terrific! Great congratulations to both of them! Only 7 years to Diamond!

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    Baud says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Congrats to the Papa and Mama Mustang!

    She pops in here on occasion

    Oh man, that’s like watching a R rated flick with your parents when you were 13.

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    Kay says:

    The White House had a “smart girls” event yesterday. Lots of orgs and famous people and the girls, of course.

    The Tweets are funny.

    #AmyPoehler @smrtgrls on their mission “Basically we want what every person wants, for Malia and Sasha to like us”

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: The Toddler needs to be spanked all the way to the Andromeda Galaxy.

    What a pathetic excuse for a “journalist” he is. Lawrence E. Spivak must be revolving at near relativistic speeds in his grave over what has become of his creation, “Meet the Press.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Mazel tov!

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Trump big loser at Georgia fundraiser

    Carver said he was told by event organizers that they expect to hit $1 million in cash raised. Another voice from within the event, however, doubted that and said he didn’t think the event cleared $100,000.


    In his campaign expense report, Trump spends $100,000 per week to lease his jet.

    When you throw in other expenses like renting the theater and security and autos and food he lost money on the “fund raiser”. If it’s anyone who knows how to lose money it’s the guy who bankrupted a football league, c*sinos, and Manhattan real estate buidlings.

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    @Baud: Except my parents took me to my first R-rated movie when I was fifteen.

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    JPL says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Happy Anniversary to Mustang Bobby’s parents.

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    magurakurin says:

    If anyone was hoping Bernie was going to concede tonight…forget it. According to Rachel Maddow…not tonight. She seemed like she is so, so over Bernie at this point. Clinton is beating Trump AND Johnson right now….without Sander’s support. It is rapidly approaching the point where it won’t matter at all what Sanders does. And just why wasn’t he at the filibuster yesterday? And will he be present for the vote on Feinstein’s bill? Or will he miss that too. Putz.

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    Baud says:

    @Mustang Bobby: What was it?

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Hello Dolly! (photo)

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    Guy on NJ transit loudly talking about his love for Trump on the phone also just realized, 40 minutes into the ride, he’s on the wrong train

    This is the best symbolic illustration of the typical Trump supporter that I have read/heard. If Aesop had been able to tweet in his day, I am sure this would have been one of his most popular fables.

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    Aimai says:

    @Mustang Bobby: congratulations! And please give your parents my admiring felicitations!

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Mustang Bobby:
    We just had our 42nd yesterday so we have a bit to go!
    Congratulations to them! It is great to hear stories like that

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Happy anniversary to your parents. You’re lucky, I lost both of mine in my 20’s.

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    @Baud: “The Graduate,” It is now rated PG.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @magurakurin: I don’t think Bernie realizes that his leverage decreases each and every day. He’s really pissing off a lot of Democrats, myself included, with him being a new comer to the party and then telling us how to run the fucking party.

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    ent but they told her it would be a broadening experience. Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Depends on the movie I guess but that is pretty open minded of them.

    My older sister tells the story of being taken to a drag show by our grandparents when she visited them after their retirement to San Francisco in the late 1950s! Grossvater was a stern old Prussian, I can’t imagine them doing that but they told her it would be a broadening experience. They also took her out for lobster dinner which would have been an unheard of luxury here on the frozen tundra at that time.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Joe of the Morning is in panic mode.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Dan Nowicki @dannowicki

    Trump to headline fundraiser at former Goldwater home, where Barry launched doomed 1964 bid.


    5:04 PM – 15 Jun 2016

    A day doesn’t go by when he doesn’t shit himself.

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    bemused says:

    I believe it was Rick Wilson who wrote an article about Trump I read recently. Wilson wrote his banker friend told him, “I’m a billionaire. Trump isn’t a billionaire. He’s a clown living on credit.”

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    apparently I uttered one of the 7 words you can never say on BJ. No clue which one.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: He hasn’t had a fundraiser at Alf Landon’s home.

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    bemused says:


    Ha, ha. Not watching but enjoying hearing about it. Joe must have been holding it in for quite awhile.

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    debbie says:


    Then they’ll be sure to lose. Trump’s supporters won’t support anyone else.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    The best part was Trump saying he called the White House and offered to build a ballroom on the south lawn so they didn’t have to use tents. Joe pointed out that they land Marine One on that lawn.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    What Bernie seems to miss is that sore losers gain nothing and actually damage their cause, If Hillary wins without your help it proves you are useless, if she loses then you were not part of the team so unlikely to get help yourself. The only way to come back after that act is to have a super majority next time. St. Ralph thought he would be that guy but he suffered the outcome of all sore losers

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    JPL says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: The White House used bad tents, not the good ones.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    Well his yoooge classy “TRUMP” brand ballroom would have a great helo pad on top, illuminated by the giant light up TRUMP sign

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    bemused says:


    I can’t believe I missed this story from January.

    I associate tents and Trump with Gaddifi.

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    Jeffro says:

    @NotMax: I meant to attend that … But I figured I would probably just go to the next one

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    @BillinGlendaleCA: I’ve been to Alf Landon’s home in Independence, Kansas. Nice place. Trump is way too tacky for it.

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    debbie says:


    Kay, are you enjoying Portman’s struggle not to appear ambivalent about Trump? I certainly am.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @JPL: Yes, but they should have built a yooooge ballroom on the south lawn, that would be better than even a good tent.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Kay: I think both Kaisch and Cruz still think there is a possibility growing larger by the day that one of them, or possibly both of them on a Republican unity ticket, will be nominated in place of Trump at the convention . I think they may be correct

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    Immanentize says:

    @Mustang Bobby: plastics

    And congrats to the ‘rents!!

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    Jeffro says:

    @Central Planning: ah, you beat me to it

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    rikyrah says:

    Remember, he mocked that disabled reporter.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Jeffro: That will also signal the end of the Republican Party.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Congratulations to your parents 💟
    And, it’s good to hear that you know how fortunate you are to still have both of them in your life. 😊

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    How betting markets see race and this month’s events:


    Source: Election Betting

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    I have been warning my wife that the US election will be a lot closer than she thinks. She cannot believe that Trump would get over 30% of the popular vote, while I keep telling her that he will end up with around 45%. I could be wrong, but over the years some pretty terrible candidates have received more than that [paging Mitt/Ryan and McCain/Palin] against a better candidate, and there appear to be a lot of Americans who absolutely despise Ms. Clinton.
    The electoral vote margin will be pretty wide, but I don’t think the popular vote margin will be as big as Obama’s.

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    Cat48 says:

    Morning Joe staff was hysterical today. So much butt hurt.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Schlemazel Khan:
    Congratulations 💟

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    bemused says:


    Yes, I do, vividly.

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    JPL says:

    @debbie: If an illness prevents him from continuing, the repubs will get out the vote with a do it for Trump slogan.

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    rikyrah says:

    That is one of the best quotes Ever!!
    To describe Ferret Man

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    bemused says:


    Like they didn’t see the Trump disaster coming long ago.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @amk: In some respects, Donald and Bernie are two sides of the same coin, aren’t they?

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    rikyrah says:

    Always bringing interesting information, Kay.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Jeffro: I just don’t see something like that happening unless Trump voluntarily pulls out. Any effort by the Repubs to do something like that will absolutely confirm every fear and suspicion of their base regarding how the “elites” [I use that term very loosely wrt the Repubs] have manipulated and betrayed them. That would be a disaster of epic proportions…….not that an election with Trump at the helm will be much better.

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    debbie says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    my parents are celebrating their 68th anniversary

    Now that is YUUUGE! Congratulations to them!

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Donald Trump Says He Would ‘Accept’ Visit by Kim Jong-un

    (NYT) Mr. Trump said he would not go to Pyongyang, but if the North Korean leader came to Washington, he would meet with him — but without the traditional state dinner.

    It’s like a bumbling episode of MASH

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    bemused says:


    I thought so too and totally accurate. Wilson was writing about Trump’s wealth being a myth and now I remember his friend is a Wall Street donor which makes it even more amusing.

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    danielx says:

    Cheeto Jesus….talk about starting my day off right. Although I like the alternate spelling too

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Trump Takes Heat From Clinton and Obama as a Poll Hints at Trouble

    (NYT) — Four significant things happened in the last 24 hours of the 2016 presidential race:

    President Obama forcefully denounced Donald J. Trump, the Republican running to succeed him, for playing to the nation’s worst fears in the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Orlando, Fla. Mr. Trump stood by his insinuations that Mr. Obama is sympathetic to terrorists.

    Hillary Clinton, defending Mr. Obama, whom she also wants to succeed, painted Mr. Trump as something of an oddball in addition to criticizing his statements about immigration and aggressively profiling Muslims. And yet another national poll, this time from Bloomberg Politics, showed Mrs. Clinton opening a double-digit lead over Mr. Trump.

    According to the survey, 63 percent of women said they could never vote for Mr. Trump, a staggeringly high number that presents him with a daunting challenge.

    Mr. Trump’s drop in some national polls is most likely connected to self-inflicted wounds, including his comments that the Indiana-born federal judge overseeing a case against Trump University could not be partial because he was “Mexican.” But there is another explanation.

    Since shortly after Mr. Trump became the presumptive nominee in early May, the “super PAC” supporting Mrs. Clinton, Priorities USA, has aired ads in battleground states portraying him as disrespectful and even offensive to women.

    Those ads have gone unanswered by Mr. Trump’s campaign for a month now, as his team, plagued by internal battles, has struggled with fundamental staff moves, like naming a political director, and with raising money as donors decline to lend their names to fund-raising events.

    Other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?

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    Cat48 says:

    I agree that might happen. An intv with Kasich comes on soon on MoJo today. Also Kruz met with supporters last night to plan his next campaign

    Dont know how they would get rid of Trump though

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    Gimlet says:

    There is also strong evidence that most traditional public opinion surveys inadvertently hide a segment of Trump’s supporters. Many voters are reluctant to admit to a live interviewer that they back a candidate who has adopted such divisive positions.

    Trump’s advantage in online polls compared with live telephone polling is eight or nine percentage points among likely voters.

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    Kay says:


    I tend to agree with you, but “close” isn’t really CLOSE in national elections. 5 points is more than enough for a resounding win.

    Clinton’s lead in the HuffPost Pollster average right now is bigger than Obama’s over Romney at any point in ’11-’12

    I saw yesterday Trump is slipping w/non-college white women. The same thing happened with Romney. They’re an interesting group. They seem like genuine swing voters. The parting of the ways with non-college white men is also interesting.

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    Loviatar says:

    I asked the following question a few days ago:

    Is it plausible going forward that Judge Aaron Persky could be asked to recuse himself from all sexual assault cases?

    IANAL so I would greatly appreciate if a lawyer would inform me if this scenario is correct. Judge Aaron Persky going forward should have a difficult time presiding over any sexual assault cases. If I am a victim or prosecutor I sure the hell wouldn’t want Judge Aaron Persky as my judge. And if I was in the defense I’d also be leery because I think Judge Aaron Persky on his next few sexual assault cases may over react in the opposite (overly harsh) direction.


    The Stanford Rape Case’s Judicial Fallout

    Local prosecutors in California successfully moved to remove Aaron Persky, the Santa Clara Superior Court judge, from a sexual-assault case Tuesday, citing his lenient sentencing of Brock Turner, the former Stanford student convicted of sexual assault, as a cause for concern.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Hillary Clinton Mocks Donald Trump’s National Security Ideas


    She added, “Not one of Donald Trump’s reckless ideas would have saved a single life in Orlando.”

    “After all the Twitter rants and conspiracy theories you’ve been hearing recently, it’s time for substantive discussions about how we protect our country,” Mrs. Clinton said.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @NorthLeft12: Obama’s wins were about 53-46 and 51-47 in the popular vote, respectively. Modern presidential elections are pretty much always close-ish in the popular vote; get to the neighborhood of 60-40 and it’s a historic landslide.

    I don’t think Hillary Clinton is going to hit 60 percent, simply because more than 40 percent of the country is people who would never vote for her under any circumstances. If Trump really craters and doesn’t get replaced as the Republican nominee, I think you’ll see Gary Johnson or some third-party candidate splitting the vote–which would still give Clinton an EC landslide.

    Unless… Bernie Sanders is staying in because he’s reserving the right to start his independent presidential campaign if Trump suddenly flames out and is not the Republican nominee, so that his promises to help beat Trump are moot. I suppose if we want a disaster scenario to worry about, that’s an interesting one.

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    Jeff Spender says:

    @Gimlet: UNSKEW THE POLLS!

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    Mary G says:

    I don’t want Trump to quit or be fired, because anyone, even Ted Cruz, would look super sane and electable in comparison.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @satby: It would be very unfair to his bigoted supporters to squeeze Trump out of the Republican nomination. I cannot see how that could happen without his supporters going AWOL in November as he is who they want as the leader of their Party. He’s also who I and most Liberals want as the face of the Republican Party. Let them live with the consequences of decades of mainstreaming hatred.

    @bemused: Which is probably why Trump refuses to release his tax returns. They probably show that he earns or is worth a lot less than what he has claimed.

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    TS says:


    Joe of the Morning is in panic mode.

    but he/they are not going to vote for Hillary – and all they want is for Trump to “get better” and stop putting his foot in his mouth.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Not even close.

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    I have to admit I’m puzzled by the relationship between Trump and the Republicans. To me, as to the rest of you, he’s like an intensification of all the stuff they usually say about gays, women, muslims, the Other in general. And yet they seem genuinely horrified by him. Is there really such a split? Do the people in charge of the party now know their own voters? Is it because he’s not dog whistling? Is it because they think he’s a losing proposition for them all? All of the above?

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    An update on the Scott Adams world. This week he has decided to go after SJWs and man is it hard hitting! Even Alice knows SJWs are not real men, we are all fems. Yes, that is the ‘joke’ he made, yesterday and today.

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    bemused says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I agree. It’s one of the issues he has been most thin-skinned about for years and has gone after several journalists over.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:
    Oh they know their voters only too well. Drumpf is saying out loud what they only whisper or dog whistle. The leaders are smart enough to know that won’t fly with the majority of Americans but they need the mouth-breathers, those are their base. The result is they want nothing to do with the open racism, homophobia, xenophobia and hate out in the open but they can’t say that because it would cost them their base. Either way they are screwed.

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    Kay says:

    @Jeff Spender:

    I know Trump thinks it’s really clever to say that people are ashamed to admit they support him but it’s actually a horrible thing to be crowing about. So much of what people do is about aspirations and how they want to be perceived and who and what they want to be associated with. It’s not a positive sign. Admitting it is desperate and stupid.

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    Baud says:


    Admitting it is desperate and stupid.

    So quintessentially Trump.

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    Jeff Spender says:

    @Kay: And to be fair, a ton of my friends are closet Hillary supporters not becausr they’re ashamed of her, but because of Bernie’s supporters.

    Look what they did to Warren.

    No, I think these people who won’t admit to support for Trump will not be reliable voters.

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    Poopyman says:

    Sweet mother of mercy, I’m going to punch CNN right in the junk.

    At the top of their front page right now in jillion-point type:


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    Jeff Spender says:

    @Poopyman: A la Fez: “I am not a loof, you are a loof.”

    Bunch of assholes.

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    bemused says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Maybe they are horrified by the monster they created but what really has them in full-blown panic mode is that they can’t shut him up, they can’t control him whatsoever, he’s off-script as McConnell put it. I don’t think they’d be running away from him now if Trump would have gone “on script” but they’d still be in trouble with Trump voters if Trump changed at all. They have run out of options.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Trump’s campaign hits a wall

    (THE HILL) — Donald Trump’s campaign for the White House is teetering amid dismal poll numbers, racially tinged controversies and a rising chorus of criticism from within the GOP.


    Not surprisingly, the angst in the Republican Party is intensifying.

    “I think the tailspin could be really bad — historic proportions bad,” said Tony Fratto, who served as deputy White House press secretary during former President George W. Bush’s administration. “I think it’ll be a historically bad loss. I’ve said that from the very beginning.”

    Florida Republican strategist Rick Wilson, a longtime critic of Trump, laughed before rattling off a list of what he sees as the failures of the GOP standard-bearer.

    “Look, I mean, what could be going wrong with Donald Trump? … He is being out-raised by every possible fundraising metric. He is losing in the national polling averages. He is being crushed in the swing-state polls. He is being devastated in the polls in the states that he claims he is going to put into play, such as California, New Jersey and New York. … And he is increasingly erratic.”

    I haven’t seen so many bad reviews since the last Adam Sandler film.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: ‘E’.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Donald Trump speaks to shrunken Atlanta crowd as poll numbers drop

    (GUARDIAN) — That slowdown in support seemed evident on Wednesday when Trump spoke at Atlanta’s Fox Theatre, which holds less than half the audience he commanded during his last appearance in Atlanta in February. “This place is packed,” he said, shielding his eyes against stage lights. “We have people outside who couldn’t get in. Does anybody want to give up their seat?”

    Apparently Trump could not see the hundreds of empty seats in the theater’s second level.

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    Poopyman says:

    Panic makes people do stupid things. I wonder if any PTB on the Republican side have started having “Manchurian Candidate” fantasies. I hope they remember that that plot didn’t turn out so well.

    Of course, now we don’t have Frank Sinatra to save us.

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    Kay says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Why is he campaigning in Georgia anyway? The GOP has to shore up the swing state of Georgia? I thought his whole thing was “rust belt Reagan Democrats” yet he hasn’t been to Ohio since the primary.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    It appears that the Democratic filibuster was a success inasmuch as Republicans agree to a vote on gun control.

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    Joel says:

    @Gimlet: I thought Nate Silver buried the Bradley effect back in 2008.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Kay: My dad was a Reagan Democrat, he’s also been dead for almost 35 years. Most Reagan Democrats are in a similar state.

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    bemused says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Wilson is a pretty colorful guy and doesn’t hold back his opinion of Trump saying good things usually roll down hill to rest of the races from the top of the ticket, “it’s like these candidates are at the bottom of a chute in a butcher’s shop. They’re going to be covered in gore.”

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    My comment is pending moderation. Thanks Anne.

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    hovercraft says:

    I was just watching Morning Joe and David Ignatius said that John McCain is supporting Trump because he feels very bitter about Obama because of Syria, if he had won he would have done something about Syria. If true that shows he is no better than Trump, get over it old man, you lost. Oh and then Ignatius tacked on that McCain is also in a tight primary.

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    rikyrah says:


    Dont know how they would get rid of Trump though

    I don’t know, but I want to see how they do it.

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    raven says:

    @Kay: One of his jackass staffers said he just goes “where the cameras are”. He was able to get that fucking oreo Cain to introduce him and Herschel and Dooley to endorse him.

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    Tom says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: And even with Trump’s incredible “Disapprove/Approve” ratio, he’s still more popular than the Republicans in Congress.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Remember, I wrote “in some respects”, the two men are similar. For example, I’m sure more than a few of Bernie’s rational supporters are seeing that their candidate is a victim of epistemic closure right now. Existing in a bubble of your own choosing is dangerous, no matter what side of the political divide you’re on.

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    Cat48 says:


    I read they could change the Rules & the convention delegates could reject him, but Ryan & McConnell are afraid to do bc the base picked him.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: OK, I agree that Bernie has been reading too many of his press clippings but when comparing him to the Trumpster it is far easier to say they are like night and day.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    It would be very unfair to his bigoted supporters to squeeze Trump out of the Republican nomination. I cannot see how that could happen without his supporters going AWOL in November as he is who they want as the leader of their Party.

    this is where I’ve always been when they were talking about denying it to him at the convention if he had been short on delegates. the man got the most votes…how would you take it away from him?

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    gratuitous says:

    The Republicans are about to find out the lesson a whole bunch of Trump’s business partners have learned over the last decades: Trump is very accomplished at putting some wild plan together with your money, then having it crash and burn while making sure he got his compensation up front. When the smoking wreckage is poked through, all that’s left of Trump’s involvement is a stack of payment vouchers and a note that says, “So long, suckers! Let’s do this again real soon.”

    Every donation to the Trump campaign is going first to retire Trump’s loans. He will be very careful to make sure those debts are paid, and niggling concerns about staffing, offices, literature, and the other accoutrements of a campaign are for another day or someone else to worry about. Come January, the Republican National Committee will be poking through the crater left by Trump 2016, and there will be a little note pushed around by the breeze.

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    Cat48 says:

    Also. Bernie needs to concede. He should have done it Tuesday nite when he lost by 78pts. But, he’s not ready.

    I dont think he’s going to get more by dithering.

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    satby says:

    @Mustang Bobby: A very Happy Anniversary to them both. I hope they have a lovely day together!

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    The Sheriff's A Ni- says:

    @Kay: The John Kasich “What Do You Think About Me Now” Tour.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    They could pay him to go away
    They could jin up a scandal that would make him untouchable (trickey because they can’t be found with the knife but they could blame liberals & the morans won’t look too close)

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    Poopyman says:

    @Cat48: Yeah, well they would have had an easier time if they hadn’t spent the last 8 years normalizing “Second Amendment Remedies”.

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    Kay says:


    Those weekday events are, in my experience, not for “voters” so much as they are for Party regulars- local elected officials and Party people and employees of various orgs. Regular people can’t take off on a weekday. I took my youngest to a weekday event in 2012 w/Biden and I think there were probably 20 people there who weren’t paid to be there or somehow personally benefiting from a pix w/Joe Biden. They all knew one another. It’s like a get-together for professional Democrats. It’s bad that Trump’s “local” support is Herman Cain.

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    satby says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: Wow, congratulations to you both too!

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    Kay says:

    @The Sheriff’s A Ni-:

    He loves New England. I feel bad for him that he has to spend even a small amount of time in-state :)

    “Go! It’s a free country! Find your wings!” There’s this air of DUTY about him that is really pretty insulting. God almighty, he’s not doing me any favors hanging around.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Mustang Bobby: I think I know who your mom is – she’s the one dropping F-bombs left and right.

    A happy F-ing Anniversary, Mrs. MB’s Mom!

    ETA – Edited for F-ing spelling

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    rikyrah says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    And yet they seem genuinely horrified by him. Is there really such a split?

    I have said repeatedly that they have no POLICY difference with Trump.

    They are mad that he won’t talk in dogwhistles, so that they can pretend that they are something other than what they are. The MSM is mad because the dogwhistles enable them to say ‘ both sides do it’.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Happy anniversary to them! If they’re in (this) town, I hope they enjoy the sunny day, which is cool right now, but predicted to hit 90F later here.

    @Schlemazel Khan: Happy belated major milestone to you and Mrs. Khan. Impressive number. She was a very bride and you went to senior year of college for your honeymoon, clearly.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    20 Russian football “fans” being deported from France, for the obvious reasons.

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    scav says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: At this point, couldn’t overhyping the oncoming disaster both a) possibly encourage face-saving ‘for the party’ votes and b) make the actual slump seem far less than predicted and thus actually a success? (maintaining the party cannot fail lifetime achievement participation award)

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    Cat48 says:

    According to political wire, for his next failure, Trump wants to get his own TV network so he can talk to his base. His daughter & son in law are working on it. ?

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    magurakurin says:

    @Cat48: Raul Grijalva just switched his support to Clinton. Bernie’s list of allies grows thin, Gandalf.

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    Barbara says:

    @satby: It’s not even money whether he makes it to or even through the convention because the essential dynamic and dilemma of Republicans is unchanged from the primary. Think of Normandy Beach. Someone had to go first. And going first meant the odds of dying were much greater than being second or third out of the boat. Paul Ryan, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio — they want to be alive in 2020. And that means they can’t be the one to take the incoming barrage of fire that will kill the presidential aspirations of the first person who has any kind of power to take down Trump. Ryan has the most authority and respect among Republicans, and is the most obvious chance at stopping Trump. But if he did, or anyone did, the repudiation from Trump’s base of supporters would be instantaneous and permanent, even if — and that’s a big if — they hang around to vote for other Republican candidates. So Ryan won’t do it, because love for his own chance at power trumps even the horror that is Trump. There are very few elected Republican officials who have the moxie to stand up to Trump, even if they “decline” to endorse him outright. Ben Sasse is one of the few. Just about everyone else who has called him out as unacceptable — Romney, the Bushes, etc., no longer have to worry about electoral consequences.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @satby: Thanks

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): HA! I graduated from Hard Knox but I was just 22 on our wedding day.

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    Cat48 says:


    Good for Raul! We need to get together now. Bernie will still be negotiating with himself on election day. :/

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    magurakurin says:

    @Cat48: Yeah, it is pretty goddamn sad the revolution seems to be all about shit canning DWS at this point. Goddamn sad.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    TPM cites the WSJ: Warren (among others) is being vetted as possible running mate, Sanders is not. I’m torn between thinking this would be awesome and being upset that they’re considering stealing my best Senator again. The odds of the Republicans taking another special election are actually not that low.

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    the man got the most votes…how would you take it away from him?

    Ask Al Gore.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:


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    Gelfling545 says:

    @bemused: That should be fun except that I have a feeling it’s going to turn out to be really sad & distressing. and, of course, an embarrassment to the country. I never could stand watching someone make a fool of himself in public.

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    Shell says:

    One woman pointed security toward a couple sitting quietly in their seats. “Them,” she mouthed.

    Christ. “Its The Invasion Of The Body Snatchers” or “You are not one of the body!”

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    Kay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I agree. They’re putting together a strong liberal wing in the Senate. This is a horrible idea. Democrats have to stop focusing so much on the executive and the only way to stop doing something is to STOP. Part of our problem with downticket and state races is a mindset and it comes from DC. There’s supposed to be a push-pull going on- a balance of powers. The legislative branch is important. If they want send that message to voters they have to show it.

    Two things are going on- the executive branch is pushing and the legislative is giving way. It’s not structurally sound.

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    Miss Bianca says:


    Republican convention may become the most sparsely attended gathering since the National Procrastinators Meeting.


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    Barbara says:

    @Cermet: My husband asked me why we couldn’t just hold the election a week after the last convention is over to spare the nation all of this agony and expenditures of ridiculous amounts of money on ridiculous advertising.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Matt McIrvin: I think Sanders is leaving them no choice. Picking Warren is probably the “Bernie isn’t there” option. One thing is for sure, if Warren is the pick, and she agrees, it will be because both Warren and Clinton feel it is best. I’ll go with their judgment. Bernie needs to listen to the old song The Gambler.

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    Cat48 says:


    That’s up to the prez, he appointed her. I dont think she is leaving soon. He has to go thru prez, plus after the convention, Hillary will put her own people in the DNC, not Bernie. Heh

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    rachel says:

    Republican National Committee is increasingly plagued by distrust, power struggles and strategic differences, according to sources in both camps.

    I don’t see any mention of philosophical differences between the party and their apparent nominee.

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    Kay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I didn’t even think they should have taken Clinton and Biden out of the Senate ranks. I heard Clinton talking about Obamacare once when she was Sec of State and I was thinking “she’d be nice to have in the Senate right about now!”

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    JPL says:

    @magurakurin: I’d rather see Warren on the court. I don’t see how she helps the ticket in the swing states.

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    Immanentize says:

    @The Thin Black Duke:
    Number 1 — I agree completely — Hands off our Senior Senator.
    Number 2 — being a Bowie fan and married to an even bigger one, I have always admired your nym

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Congratulations! Your mom stops by the joint? Does this mean we have to tone down our language? Wouldn’t want to embarrass you…

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    magurakurin says:

    @Cat48: Wasserman Shultz has already said she is done after the election. It’s all just a pissing contest at this point. Utterly senseless. Are we seriously going to discuss reforming the DNC at this moment of the campaign? It’s madness.

    *if you’ve never watched the film “Bridge over the River Kwai” don’t watch that clip.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    Considering that RNC PR BS’ “advice” likely consists of “stop being such an obviously racist, sexist, xenophobic pr!ck”, and that behavior is precisely why tRump keeps winning primaries, irs no wonder that Hair Furor is ignoring the GOTea establishment.

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    I think you’ve nailed the GOP motivation. Unfortunately, I think the MSM’s motivation is that his open racism makes them feel uncomfortable with their quieter racism. They are convinced ‘entitlements’ need reform, love watching the police beat down protesting thugs, and wonder if banning Muslim immigrants might be wise, but that’s because they’re responsible realists, gosh darn it!

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    Barbara says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Wow! My in-laws made it almost to their 65th. My parents made it only a little over 35 years, because my father died young. What a milestone!

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    Barbara says:

    @magurakurin: When the media stops, the campaign is over no matter what the candidate thinks. As I keep saying, your greatest leverage in negotiating for what you want is before you have suffered irreversible defeat. Negotiations 101. You have to be able to at least seem to be giving something up in order to get something in return. Events have overtaken Sanders.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Eric Kleefeld @ EricKleefeld
    The classic political dirty trick is to tear down your opponent’s yard signs.
    This year, it’s to put up a Trump sign right next to theirs.

    I don’t know if this is a Thing that is happening or if it’s Kleefaeld’s idea, but I think it’s the funniest thing I’ve seen in a few days, I hope it takes root.

    And Warren as Veep is a horrible idea– first and foremost, there’s a huge role for her to play in the Senate, secondly, does anyone imagine she’d be either comfortable or good in the role of Loyal Message-Sticking Number 2? A horrible waste and potential disaster. I”m quite surprised, and not a little disappointed, that she’s encouraging the whole thing.

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    Shell says:

    My husband asked me why we couldn’t just hold the election a week after the last convention is over to spare the nation

    I think the one thing we can ALL agree on in this country is that the election process is insanely too long.

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    magurakurin says:


    Events have overtaken Sanders.

    In a big way. His being AWOL from the filibuster was quite bad in my opinion. His petty little struggle with the DNC was more important than supporting his colleague, Chris Murphy, in the Senate. Poor. Major Fail.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Miss Bianca:
    IX-NEY guys! My mom can hear us!

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    Mike J says:

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    That line about GOP leaders being weak and needing to get tougher will sell extremely well with the mouth-breathing moran base! That is a tune that talk radio and the Internet puke funnel has been calling for 8 -9 years now to explain why the magic pony fairy has not undone ACA, defeated the Muslim Usurper and brought economic paradise via tax cuts & no government.

    The same magical thinking is rampant on the left too. Just yesterday Balloon-Juice ran the hed, “Happening Now: Democrats Appear to be Governing.”

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    jharp says:

    Does anyone know where I can place a bet that Trump is not on the ballot in November?

    And what would be the odds?

    I think I’d load up if it was 10 to 1 or better.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @amk: Yup, that pretty much puts paid to any “I’m the leader of a movement” bs of BS’s. btw, very proud to learn that my Democratic Senator Michael Bennet was part of that filibuster. I’m going to have to dig down for some scratch for him sooner than I was anticipating, because of that.

    And btw – anyone with scratch to spare and wanting to throw towards a national race? Michael Bennet, (D), (CO), could use it. He’s probably the most vulnerable Democratic Senator up for re-election this term.

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    Barbara says:

    @Gimlet: Anyone who reads this — please note the date — May 11, 2016. That is all.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @magurakurin: I despise Sanders, but wasn’t this filibuster a last minute decision by Murphy and the caucus? Sanders has been off-the-rails for weeks, if not months (“I’ll convince the super-delegates to support me and overturning the popular vote by attacking Barney Frank! -Great idea, Bernie! -Every move the right one, Chief!”) but I give him a break on this one.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Barbara: all you really need is to notice the commentators name. scroll on by. FIDO.

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    CaseyL says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Congrats to your Mom and Dad! My grandparents made it that far, too. Nanny did all the talking, Pop-Pop all the grumbling: they were like a superannuated married version of Abbott and Costello, funnier than hell.

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    Cat48 says:

    @magurakurin: Good movie! I’ve seen it a few times.

    Youre right about pissing match. It is mute. No I dont want to reform anything for him. Especially, with him.

    He just doesn’t understand the presidential process at the DNC. Also, we can’t tell individual states how to write their primary rules or voting laws. He should know that.

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    sigaba says:

    @Mary G:

    Even the Trumpkins seem to be tiring of the act. He’s had whole tiers of empty seats at the Atlanta rallies. This is funny until you remember the Bush administration

    “The first is tragedy, the second is farce.”

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    magurakurin says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Pretty sure they have an airport in Burlington. He hopped on jet and flew to Rome at the drop of a hat. What’s a flight to DC from Burlington, two hours? It was pretty big fucking deal, that filibuster. But I see your point and don’t entirely disagree. I just hate the man even more than you, I guess.

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    @magurakurin: In paranoid moments, I wonder if many people read my comments as praise for how yummy pie is.

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    @Cat48: Bed hair Bernie is off his rocker.

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    As to the OP, at this point it seems plausible – and I didn’t ever think I’d say that – that the Teapublican Establishment might find a way to rob Trump of the nomination. He might even quit in a toddler temper tantrum. But… what would happen? Sure, his base would be furious and depressed, but would they riot? Not vote quite as much? Fall in line? There are five months to go. The primary was obvious. Bigotry rules the GOP base. Now we’re into uncharted waters.

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    D58826 says:

    @Shell: Saw a headline this AM that tailgunner Ted is trying to mend fences in prepartion for 2020paration for

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    He could have made an effort – look how quickly he mobilized to stalk the Pope. There is a contingent of his on twitter – the delusional freak contingent – that actually are pushing the theory that the filibuster was a conspiracy timed to make Bernie look bad. This revolution has been quite the circle jerk of FAIL, thanks to Bernie’s ginormous ego and the willingness of his supporters to go as far around the bend as the right wing loons we’re more used to scorning. Sanders created a cult. Not sure how he gets over himself – maybe he’ll grow out of it when he turns 75.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: I read all your posts😀

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    Ruckus says:

    It was packed! With Air! Glorious Air! Smart Air! Lots and Lots of Air! (That’s what the kids are calling empty space these days.)

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    SFAW says:

    @Central Planning:

    Republican convention may become the most sparsely attended gathering since the National Procrastinators Meeting


    I was going to go to that.

    Not to worry — they’re going to reschedule it. Any day now.

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    @magurakurin: Excellent. Though pie is really yummy.

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    hovercraft says:

    Pity the poor GOP .

    “Okay, so our guy is insane,” said one GOP fundraising bundler privately after getting his first up-close view of his party’s presidential nominee at a recent California fundraiser.

    From his exaggerated claims of immense wealth and his aggressive insults against those who challenge him, to his expectation that all Republicans should fall in line to support him, Trump exhibits symptoms of what the American Psychiatric Association defines as narcissistic personality disorder.

    “The boldness, the risk-taking, the attention-seeking, are classic narcissistic traits,” said W. Keith Campbell, a University of Georgia psychology professor and co-author of The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement.

    The only real question: whether Trump merely possesses many of the traits, or if his condition warrants the full-on label of “disorder.”

    Whatever the severity of his condition, many of Trump’s actions and statements through the years that may have appeared bizarre on their face make more sense in the context of the symptoms:
    •Claiming wealth exceeding $10 billion, when every independent estimate has been at most half of that? “Exaggerating your achievements and talents,” is trait No. 3 among the dozen listed on the Mayo Clinic’s description of the disorder.
    •Believing the Republican National Committee and its donors should handle all the fundraising and voter turnout details for his general election campaign? Here’s trait No. 8: “Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with your expectations.”
    •Pretending to be a publicist to plant the false story that he was dating Italian supermodel Carla Bruni? Trait No. 4: “Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate.”

    Even Trump’s months-long feud with Fox News host Megyn Kelly over her tough questioning at a GOP debate last summer may fit the disorder’s characteristics. A Kent State University study published in 2010 showed that narcissistic men were far more prone to harbor hostile attitudes toward women — because women held the power to harm their self-esteem.

    Trump’s propensity for misstatements, particularly those that are easily refuted and don’t necessarily advance his image.

    “I think people who are narcissist can be dishonest, but a lot of that dishonesty is in the service of themselves,” Campbell said. “Why, when there’s no upside, do you lie at all? Unless that’s just your default position.”

    That, more than the self-regard, is what unnerves the GOP bundler, who said he sees it as undermining his ability to tell donors what Trump would do if elected. “Lying for the sake of lying. You’ve got to watch out for those guys,” he said.

    In any event, whether Trump’s narcissism is an actual clinical disorder, or not quite that severe, is probably a distinction without a difference, at least for American voters. At 70 years of age, Trump is unlikely to change — and change is only possible if Trump desires it.

    More popcorn please.

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    amk says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: DC is closer than Rome.

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    Poopyman says:

    New post by Betty on Bernie up top.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Immanentize: Thank you.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: We are eating some coconut mango creme pie right now. There are some amazing bakers in Japan, actually. They study in France and then add their unique Japanese touches. Very yummy.

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    Kathleen says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Yes. I’ve been thinking that for a long time.

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    Cat48 says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    He has serious delusions.

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    Barbara says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Well, nothing like a majority of Republican voters support Paul Ryan’s efforts to tank their entitlements and they all know it, so white identity politics is kind of the consolation prize that the Republican party holds out for its non-wealthy voters. However, people like Meg Whitman and the real movers and shakers among Republican donors don’t live in the same world as the hoi polloi Republican voters. They really can block the dog whistles out of their mind — that is, they have plausible deniability, with the Paul Ryans of the world, but they can’t when Trump opens his mouth. They are put in an untenable position where they can’t pledge allegiance to the racists but they can’t exactly repudiate them either. Well, Whitman has come as close as anyone to doing that publicly, but you notice, most donors are sotto voce in their decision not to provide presidential level funding.

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    D58826 says:

    Restoring a bit of faith in the human race:

    Entire Flight Comforts Orlando Victim’s Grandmother In The Most Beautiful Way

    And when visiting Yellowstone make sure you lock the car doors

    Yellowstone Bear Casually Opens Car Door, Sends Family Into Fit Of Terror

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    Barbara says:

    @Kay: I think he was supposed to be raising money.

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    Bruce K says:

    Query: does anyone know when the references to the Vulgar Talking Yam began? (I know they’re probably attributable to Mr. Pierce, long may he wave, but I can’t figure out when the phrase was coined.)

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    chopper says:


    my favorite organization. our motto: “why do it today when [INSERT REST OF SLOGAN HERE]”

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    GregB says:

    When Coulter was on Bill Maher she was parroting the line that Trump was winning with Hispanics.

    They are so fucking deluded.

    Trump is collapsing the Republican Party like a black hole.

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    Kathleen says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Ditto me.

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    Origuy says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: I’m waiting for Mallard Fillmore to appear in Dilbert.

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    Quinerly says:

    Well, well, well…..what do we have here?

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    rikyrah says:


    Every donation to the Trump campaign is going first to retire Trump’s loans. He will be very careful to make sure those debts are paid, and niggling concerns about staffing, offices, literature, and the other accoutrements of a campaign are for another day or someone else to worry about.

    you tell the truth.

    and, they know it, which is why they are loathe to give him any money.

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    That is a good idea.

    If I were running a down ticket race, I’d devote my sign budget to big signs featuring both my opponents name and Trumps. Maybe enclosed in a heart..

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    J R in WV says:


    Sweet mother of mercy, I’m going to punch CNN right in the junk.

    At the top of their front page right now in jillion-point type:


    CNWho? I Just don’t go there anymore…

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    Jeffro says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: true, but they can go down with some hope for 2020 (i.e. With Cruz/Kaisch) or they can stay lost for a decade, minimum (with Trump)

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    Jeffro says:

    @NorthLeft12: he’s already starting to (re)-threaten to “go it alone”

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Loviatar: was this the run of the mill challenge that both sides get when aside is assigned or was it for cause?

    If the former it’s a nothing burger. If the latter, it’s a huge deal.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Cat48: he’s Palin in a suit and with an inheritance, that’s all

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    Jeffro says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: yeah, we get it – Obama took my then-Senator, after all – but HRC should pick the most capable person/best fit for her & her agenda. Be prepared to take one for the team 😀

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: Lawyers don’t get challenges for judges like they do for jurors.

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    lihtox says:

    Just thinking: if Kasich endorsed Johnson for President, he could conceivably, singlehandedly take Ohio away from Trump, deny him the Presidency, and get his revenge. That could be very…interesting.

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    pat says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I think people have been pointing this out and the answer is
    All of the above!

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    Paul in KY says:

    @NotMax: I was going to go to that one, but I just never got around to it…

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: Can we have a Downfall parody about Trump? Please?

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    Amaranthine RBG says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Actually, California Code of Civil Procedure 170.6 allows a party to challenge a judge when the judge is assigned to the case. Once that challenge is filed accompanied by a declaration assigning prejudice to the judge, the presiding judge “shall” assign a different judge. It is done routinely in California and nearly always granted.

    There are also other procedures that allow removal of a judge from a case for cause.

    I thought you were a lawyer or something. Even if you don’t know anything about California procedure, a lawyer should know enough not to opine about unfamiliar jurisdictions’ procedures.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Mustang Bobby: Wonderful news, Bobby! Glad they are in fine health.

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    West of the Rockies (been a while) says:

    @Splitting Image: You forgot the Asians — they love him! He does bigly with all of those groups.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Amaranthine RBG: Thank you for the information. And fuck you.

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    wenchacha says:

    @West of the Rockies (been a while): “Bigly.” Oh my god, he is such a gasbag.

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