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Tuesday Morning Open Thread: Seeking Safe Space

by Anne Laurie|  June 14, 20164:39 am| 223 Comments

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From commentor Wade S:

This is Boo. She should be good for a moment’s relief.

Boo looks like she has dug herself a ‘safe space’ and intends to stay there for a while. I think we can all sympathize with Boo’s impulse…

Apart from wanting to lie low, what’s on the agenda for the day?

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  1. 1.

    lollipopguild

    June 14, 2016 at 4:56 am

    What are you looking at?

  2. 2.

    raven

    June 14, 2016 at 4:56 am

    Pupster!

  3. 3.

    opiejeanne

    June 14, 2016 at 5:13 am

    It’s 2am on the West Coast. Can’t sleep. Have avoided the news for a couple of days, including Twitter & Facebook.
    Sweet doggie, I think you’re pretty safe there in your sofa fort.

  4. 4.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 5:21 am

    Donald Trump’s assault on our values

    By Washington Post Editorial Board

    IT HAD not seemed possible, but Donald Trump descended this week to a new low of bigotry, fear-mongering and conspiracy-peddling. Republican leaders who said last week that they expected a change in tone after Mr. Trump’s racist attacks on a California judge quickly received their answer. What can House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) or Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) possibly say now? As the country mourned the wanton slaughter of 49 people early Sunday, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee took a victory lap, hinted darkly that President Obama is an enemy of the nation, libeled American Muslims and, in grotesque punctuation, finished up with a vindictive attack on the media .

    ***

    Before the Orlando shooting, Beltway analysts speculated about how a terrorist attack might affect the presidential election. Now we know at least part of the answer: Mr. Trump would reveal himself more clearly than ever as a man unfit to lead.

  5. 5.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 5:28 am

    [Seth] Meyers also went after Donald Trump, who tweeted (among other things) “Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism.”

    “Appreciate the congrats?” Meyers said with faux-confusion. “I don’t know who’s been congratulating Donald Trump, but you may want to redirect your congratulations to first responders or those waiting in line to give blood. They’re the ones who deserve congrats and they’re not asking for it.”

    “So while there were some who were busy callously exploiting the tragedy to spread bigotry and misinformation, let’s keep in our hearts the victims.”

  6. 6.

    Zinsky

    June 14, 2016 at 5:30 am

    I’ve got a real boring accounting conference I need to sit through today in downtown Minneapolis, but at least the food is good! By the way, my company announced the job cuts yesterday that I had posted about two weeks ago, and I survived! So, I guess I can retire on my own terms in two to three years, which is nice.

    Trump’s response to the Orlando carnage was not only bigoted and self-focused but also incredibly stupid – Ban all Muslim immigrants, when the shooter was a native born American? This is a really, really stupid man!

  7. 7.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 5:35 am

    In their recklessness and their radicalism they have kidnapped the Republican Party and if they win, they will bring this country to the brink of disaster. This is the most important election of your lifetime. The choices couldn’t be clearer. Peace or nuclear war; brotherhood or division; prosperity or poverty; a march into a bright future, or a retreat into a dark past. It’s all or nothing and every single one of you needs to go out there and fight for every single vote in every part of this great country of ours.

    Lyndon Johnson

  8. 8.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 5:52 am

    Puppy is hiding from Donald Trump.

  9. 9.

    J R in WV

    June 14, 2016 at 5:53 am

    Good morning, rikyrah!

    I don’t beat you to the blogosphere very often. And I plan to go back to bed to try for a couple more hours, I have errands t run in town and it’s going to be 92+. Fortunately I can take the smaller newer vehicle with effective AC as opposed to the old F150 with barely adequate for summertime AC.

    Life goes on, and we’re out of cooking oil, used the last for popcorn… I’m going to the farmer’s market to see what’s in now, and the grocery store for provisions in general. And maybe the hardware store, we’ll see how much endurance I have.

    I love the map of The Donald’s birthday residence and dumass gayhater’s birthday residence, what, just a handful of miles apart!!

  10. 10.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 5:54 am

    My son’s long time best buddy, an Australian Shepard named Harvey, died yesterday morning. Was fine when Bob left for work but was dead when he came home for lunch. Bob was thinking maybe it was the heat that killed him. I said, “Bob, maybe it was just his time to go.”

    Took him up the the confluence of the Missouri and the Mississippi where they had spent more than a little time together and buried him there.

  11. 11.

    sm*t cl*de

    June 14, 2016 at 5:55 am

    I can has pillow fort?

  12. 12.

    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 5:56 am

    My last little bird, Valentina, leaves the nest in 1/2 an hour to start her long journey home. She’s having a last dish of ice cream before the sun comes up to finish her breakfast, and I’m having my third cup of coffee. The suitcases are in the car, and we’re just having some quiet last moments before we leave for the airport.

  13. 13.

    raven

    June 14, 2016 at 5:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Aw man.

  14. 14.

    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 5:58 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: aww, so sad for your son. Condolences to him on his loss, and remind him that a dog who is well loved has been given doggie heaven on earth.

  15. 15.

    EZSmirkz

    June 14, 2016 at 5:58 am

    YA interesting read,

    Following up on the news that Omar Mateen was a regular at the gay night club where he later massacred 49 people, The Palm Beach Post reports that fellow students who attended police academy with Mateen in 2006 thought he was gay.

    Off to listen to the Kinks “Destroyer”

    No one mention Egypt Air while I’m gone.

  16. 16.

    Randy P

    June 14, 2016 at 5:59 am

    Went to a vigil in a local Episcopal church last night. Meditative music, readings from Christian and Moslem traditions, Quaker-style silence and speaking when so moved. It was healing. And gratifying to see how many people turned out on a Monday night with no notice.

    #notallchristians

  17. 17.

    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 5:59 am

    And Wade, your Boo is adorable! Thanks for sharing her today.

  18. 18.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Man, that sucks. So sorry.

  19. 19.

    rikyrah

    June 14, 2016 at 6:04 am

    Good Morning ?, Everyone ?

  20. 20.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 6:04 am

    mfiori Boston, MA

    I have never been a Clinton supporter, but after listening to her speak she has my vote. She spoke In calm, measured, thoughtful language. Trump’s words were aimed to incite hate and division. God forbid he is ever elected. His children or grandchlldren won’t fight the wars he starts, but yours and mine will.

    259 Recommend

    wilfdirk Canada

    I know the comparisons can be overstated, but we know how many Germans in 1933 listened to Hitler demonize the Jews as the source of the country’s problems. Those who forget are condemned to repeat.

    161 Recommend

    fran soyer ny

    He is way too giddy over this attack.

    People are so turned off by this.

    He pulled the same act after the airliner went down and he lost support. This is the last straw.

    There is nothing more sickening than someone gloating after a terrorist attack. Disgusting and horrifying. Pure evil.

    317 Recommend

  21. 21.

    rikyrah

    June 14, 2016 at 6:05 am

    Boo is too cute ?

  22. 22.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2016 at 6:06 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:
    I’m so sorry about Harvey.

  23. 23.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 6:06 am

    @rikyrah: ??

  24. 24.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 6:09 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: ? ?

  25. 25.

    raven

    June 14, 2016 at 6:10 am

    Joe goin full Murrow.

  26. 26.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 6:13 am

    Will. Resist. Temptation. To. Link. To. The. Lobo. Song.

    Must resist.

    Resist…

  27. 27.

    geg6

    June 14, 2016 at 6:15 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Hugs to your son.

    Boo is too cute. Lovey likes to burrow into our couch, too.

  28. 28.

    EZSmirkzz

    June 14, 2016 at 6:15 am

    Would you prefer Lola?

  29. 29.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 6:16 am

    @satby

    Quite a hectic year for you.

    Tomorrow, sleep in late.

  30. 30.

    Tom

    June 14, 2016 at 6:18 am

    @opiejeanne: I can’t sleep either, but then I’ve had chronic insomnia since I was a kid (fifty-mumble years ago).

    I could grade some papers, do some QA on a software architecture course I developed, work on the re-write for the secure programming course I’m developing now or do research on the C# programming class I’ll be re-writing in a month or two.

    Or I could get into the recliner with the kitties and watch the Apple keynote from yesterday on my tablet.

    As a side note, I want to thank the folks who recommended the Hamilton soundtrack. I found it on Apple Music and before I was done listening, I had purchased and downloaded it. It’s amazing. At more than one point I wept and I’m a 57 year old white guy who’s still trying to shake off his small town, Midwestern roots.

    Even if you haven’t seen the show, the music is amazing.

    Also, for those of you like me who are missing quality TV now that The Americans is on hiatus, I’ve started a re-watch of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles. Some of the best scripted television in years, particularly in season 2. (Season 1 is only 9 episodes due to the 2007 writer’s strike.)

  31. 31.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 6:19 am

    We believe the millions who follow these ideas of madness and self destruction is the direct result of an unforgivable weakness on the part of the prior administration who failed to put a stop to the spreading of these ideas, the practical implementation of which they were forced to punish. This administration will not allow itself to be shaken by anyone in its decision to solve this problem.

    Adolf Hitler on the Reichstag fire.

  32. 32.

    Central Planning

    June 14, 2016 at 6:21 am

    I saw a car (relatively new Nissan) with a “Reagan-Bush ’84” bumper sticker on it yesterday.

    What’s that mean besides they want a return to the Reagan years? Is there something special about the 1984 election vs. ’80 or even ’88?

    ETA – From gop.com: Throwback to the days of strong, principled leadership in the White House with an official Reagan-Bush ’84 Vintage Tee. Featuring the classic Reagan-Bush ’84 logo, these American-made vintage t-shirts are available in red and blue.

  33. 33.

    Splitting Image

    June 14, 2016 at 6:22 am

    Apart from wanting to lie low, what’s on the agenda for the day?

    The same thing that’s on the agenda every day, Pinky. Beating the hell out of Donald Trump.

  34. 34.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 6:26 am

    Depressing trip to the grocery store today.

    I was in the checkout line with one person behind me. He opened with a lament about “self-checkout” lanes. I agreed and said I refused to use them. From there we got to the campaign and both the man and the checker, a middle-aged woman, said they thing Trump is terrible. But they aren’t going to vote for Clinton. I did my best in the very limited amount of time I had, but they both just kept shaking their heads. The guy started out by saying, “Bill Clinton…” I quickly pointed out that Bill Clinton isn’t running for president and no matter how sleazy he (the guy) thinks Bill is, Hillary can’t be blamed for Bill’s behavior. It turns out she can. His problem with her is that she stayed with Bill, which is something that probably bothers a lot of people.

    I don’t know that either one will vote, but they made it pretty clear they won’t be voting for Clinton, no matter how bad Trump is.

  35. 35.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 6:28 am

    @Central Planning

    Unwhitewashable Alzheimer’s?

  36. 36.

    geg6

    June 14, 2016 at 6:29 am

    @TriassicSands:

    The good news is maybe they’ll just stay home.

  37. 37.

    geg6

    June 14, 2016 at 6:31 am

    Today starts the first of our freshman orientation sessions for fall. I alway look forward to and dread these days in equal measure.

  38. 38.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:31 am

    @TriassicSands:

    His problem with her is that she stayed with Bill, which is something that probably bothers a lot of people.

    Sorry, I’m putting that in the “excuse” rather than the “reason” column.

  39. 39.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:32 am

    @geg6: This.

  40. 40.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    June 14, 2016 at 6:33 am

    I’ll spend most of the day asleep. Right now, I’m at the same Red Lobster I was at last Monday night/Tuesday morning. The guys who clean the hood actually showed up this week, arriving around 3am and leaving about 5am. So, all told, they’re paying me to sit here for 22 hours, @ $14.50 each plus whatever my employer gets as a cut, in order to get two hours of cleaning done.

  41. 41.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 6:34 am

    @Central Planning: I’ve seen that too.

    US gunmaker shares soar after Pulse nightclub massacre
    Shares in two biggest gun manufacturers, Smith & Wesson and Sturm Ruger & Co, rose by 10% and 9% amid fears US will impose tougher gun control measures

    Just in case you didn’t know how sick our society really is.

  42. 42.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 6:36 am

    Tuned into Morning Joe for the first time in months. My, my, how the tune changes. They, Joe, Mika, Barnicle and Nicole, started off with Trump’s terror speech, Trump implicating Obama, Trump saying people can figure out what he meant. Joe says emphatically that Trump is bad news. Nicole said Trump refuses to shut up. Then it was on to the AR15.

    Late, very late, to the ugly truths.

  43. 43.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 6:40 am

    @Baud:

    When I wrote “a lot of people,” I was thinking mostly of religious people. I don’t know if it was an excuse or a reason, but if it keeps a potential voter from supporting Clinton it isn’t good news.

    @geg6:

    Somehow I have a feeling we won’t be setting any turnout records this year. In the end I think most Republicans will turn out for Trump. Their leadership puts their “principles” on display every day, but they also give the rank and file permission to junk the principles and just vote for power.

    Both of the people I referred to should be natural Democratic voters.

  44. 44.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 6:41 am

    @TriassicSands:

    His problem with her is that she stayed with Bill, which is something that probably bothers a lot of people.

    I learned a long time ago, never judge another persons marriage. You just don’t know what it’s like.

  45. 45.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:44 am

    @TriassicSands: How do you know that some random people in the checkout line are natural Democratic voters?

    Religious voters in particular would normally praise rather than condemn a wife for staying with her husband.

  46. 46.

    Randy P

    June 14, 2016 at 6:45 am

    FYWP just ate my comment. Not moderated, just gone.

    So I’ll summarize: Saw a car yesterday with two pro-Trump bumper stickers. But it also had two pro-farting bumper stickers, which I didn’t even realize was a thing. And those were the only stickers on the car.

    So what does that mean? Are the Trump stickers ironic? Or has Trump won the support of the fartists, a slient (but deadly) minority of unknown size?

  47. 47.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:46 am

    @Randy P: Who would be anti-farting? That’s like being anti-breathing.

  48. 48.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    I couldn’t agree more and that was exactly what I told him. He just kept shaking his head and said if he’d done that to his wife she would have thrown him out in a second.

    I repeated that we simply can’t judge other people’s relationships. Apparently, he can.

  49. 49.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @Randy P: Reading between the lines, I think the owner is saying pro Trump is equal to pro fart, they amount to about the same thing.

  50. 50.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 14, 2016 at 6:47 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Sorry for your son’s loss.

    @bemused: Why did they only figure out now that Trump was bad news? He hasn’t changed.

  51. 51.

    Randy P

    June 14, 2016 at 6:50 am

    @Baud: Well, we all support our own. But object to everyone else’s. There’s something fundamentally Republican about that.

  52. 52.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:50 am

    @Patricia Kayden: Before they wanted ratings. Now they want to avoid being blamed.

  53. 53.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 6:51 am

    @Baud:

    From what they both said about things before we got to discussing Clinton. Especially the checker fell into that category.

    Yes, some might praise Hillary for staying with Bill, but others would find Bill so distasteful that they wouldn’t support her staying.

  54. 54.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:51 am

    @Randy P: Equal farts under law, I say.

  55. 55.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 6:51 am

    @Triassic Sands

    Ah, but you’ve planted the seed, which still has months to blossom into a vote (however reluctant).

  56. 56.

    Peale

    June 14, 2016 at 6:52 am

    @Central Planning: Mondale won two states. of course they like that election.

  57. 57.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 6:53 am

    @TriassicSands: Well, whatever. Can’t change the past. This year, like in every prior election year, a large majority of eligible voters will not vote for the Democratic nominee. We just have to do better than the other guy.

  58. 58.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 14, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @TriassicSands: Bill Clinton was a great President regardless of his personal issues. The economy was booming during his time in office. He left with high ratings. Hopefully, people can separate his private failings from the great job he did.

    Secretary Clinton’s decision to stay with him is her own personal issue which has zero bearing on how she will function as President. Surprised that that would be held against her.

  59. 59.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 6:54 am

    @NotMax:

    And I know where the checker is. We’ve exchanged pleasantries before, so I think I can raise the subject again without incurring her wrath. I won’t push it too hard — maybe she’ll get there on her own.

  60. 60.

    Patricia Kayden

    June 14, 2016 at 6:55 am

    @Baud: Also Trump has attacked Joe and the show.

  61. 61.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 6:57 am

    @Baud

    Baud/Le Pétomane ’20.

    It’s never too early…

  62. 62.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 6:57 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Exactly! They are media and in on what is said off the record by legislators, staffers, political consultants and insiders. None of bad news about Trump and other issues are not sudden revelations to them.

  63. 63.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2016 at 6:58 am

    @Patricia Kayden:
    It’s a rationalisation for refusing to vote for her — or, if you will, for having had one’s mind poisoned against her by 25 years of hostile propaganda.

  64. 64.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:00 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Surprised that that would be held against her.

    I’m not, considering how many people will vote for someone because they’d like to have a beer with them. By and large, people are not rational.

  65. 65.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 7:01 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes. Any excuse to “justify” what he wasn’t going to do in the first place.

  66. 66.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:01 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: I don’t know. First time in human history a woman is condemned for staying married. We’re breaking new ground here.

  67. 67.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 7:02 am

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I wasn’t surprised that someone would hold that against Clinton, because I’ve heard before (2008). As was offered above maybe it’s just an excuse, but it’s not like it’s that difficult to come up with a reason to not vote for an American politician.

    I think it is wrong to judge Hillary based on Bill — either his performance as president, which not everyone agrees was without serious problems, or his failings as a husband, which were certainly out there for everyone to see. I’m not worried at all about HRC being under the sway of her husband. She’s much too strong for that.

    Others would understand that Hillary would stay with Bill for Chelsea’s sake. She was a 12-year-old when Bill won in ’92. She’s 36 today. Eek! That’s horrifying. Again, I simply don’t pretend I can judge other people’s intimate relationships.

  68. 68.

    Mary G

    June 14, 2016 at 7:04 am

    Trump has banned so many media outlets that by next week it’ll just be the one guy from Breitbart all alone in the pen at the rallies.

  69. 69.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:05 am

    @Patricia Kayden: I guess Trump isn’t all bad after all.

  70. 70.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 7:05 am

    @Baud:

    Hardly the first time. It just depends on what people think they need to prove. The nature of the Clinton presidency, which engulfed HRC in phony scandals, as well, meant that Hillary could be criticized no matter what she chose to do. We see the same thing with Obama. The Republicans turn on a dime if he embraces something like the PPACA with roots in conservative think tanks.

  71. 71.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 14, 2016 at 7:06 am

    @satby: May you both have a nice trip.

  72. 72.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:07 am

    @TriassicSands: True dat.

  73. 73.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 14, 2016 at 7:07 am

    @EZSmirkz: Filed under “Duh”

  74. 74.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 14, 2016 at 7:09 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Damn, that sounds like what GOP says about Hilary as SOS. Ugly.

  75. 75.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 14, 2016 at 7:09 am

    @Central Planning: College Republican Hipster gear. Probably weren’t even born in 84.

  76. 76.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:10 am

    @Baud:

    We’re breaking new ground here.

    Criticizing a Clinton for anything, no matter how novel, is not breaking new ground. It’s just another day in America.

  77. 77.

    Lounger

    June 14, 2016 at 7:11 am

    @TriassicSands: My wife had a co-worker who was also a “natural Democratic voter” — i.e., a working-class, African-American, single mom — who still wasn’t sure whether she could vote for Hillary. My wife’s argument was that you’re not just voting for a person, you’re voting for a team — all the people making and enforcing the laws, the Supreme Court, etc. — so what matters isn’t which person you like but which team you like. Her co-worker was like, “Wow! I’ve never thought of it that way!”

    I have to say I’m very proud of my wife for this. I would’ve just been storming out of the room holding my head.

  78. 78.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 7:14 am

    @Mary G:

    LOL.

    At this point, I think Trump must have compiled over decades a long list of people, groups of people, that he has wanted to offend, ban, extract retribution from, punish and create general havoc checking off his list with his gold Sharpie.

  79. 79.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:14 am

    @Lounger: Nice.

  80. 80.

    Another Holocene Human

    June 14, 2016 at 7:14 am

    @Baud: I heard it at the time (late 1990s) in the Northeast Corridor. Adultery is one of the few “legit” excuses for an annulment; maybe that’s what colors the good peoples’ (snicker) attitudes.

  81. 81.

    Mustang Bobby

    June 14, 2016 at 7:17 am

    Sorry to be late to the morning kaffe-klatch. I got a phone call yesterday evening that could be a huge career advancement for me… and ten minutes later found out my nephew has checked himself into a hospital on suicide watch.

  82. 82.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:17 am

    @Another Holocene Human: She could have divorced him and I wouldn’t hold it against her. But the notion that she should be condemned for not divorcing him is bizarre.

  83. 83.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    June 14, 2016 at 7:18 am

    @TriassicSands:

    Others would understand that Hillary would stay with Bill for Chelsea’s sake.

    Or, maybe, they just love each other. I’ve read stories about how play off of each other and how they, especially Bill, become grouchy and difficult to deal with if they’ve been separated for too long, which happens in the careers they’ve chosen.

  84. 84.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:19 am

    @Mustang Bobby: hope it all works out on both fronts.

  85. 85.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 7:20 am

    @TriassicSands: I think many people blame Hillary for Bill’s cheating in the first place. It’s the way that patriarchal attitudes suddenly frame men as unreasoning beasts when it comes to sexual behavior. Men, they just can’t help themselves, but a woman who can’t please her man to the extent that he cheats is inexcusable.

  86. 86.

    JPL

    June 14, 2016 at 7:21 am

    Trump gave a speech indicating that the Muslim community was made up of racist pigs, who want to do us harm.
    That’s a theme that he’s familiar with.

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s so sad! rip puppy

  87. 87.

    Mustang Bobby

    June 14, 2016 at 7:21 am

    @Baud: Thanks.

  88. 88.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:21 am

    @bemused: All of them Katie.

  89. 89.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 7:22 am

    Last night before bed, I made the mistake of reading Rod Dreher’s take on Orlando, including the comments. Apparently, right thinking Christians will never vote for Clinton because of religious liberty. How f*cking hypocritical. They will support the candidate that wants to ban a religion because of their perceived right to intolerance. I’m still fuming.

    Here’s the link but I don’t recommend reading it. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/christian-scapegoating-orlando-religious-liberty/#post-comments

  90. 90.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:24 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Oooofff…

  91. 91.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 7:24 am

    @Lounger:

    Wow. I would have thought voting for the team on my side, not just the president who can’t simply wave a magic wand, would have been a no-brainer but I guess not. Glad your wife thought of a simple way to get her point across.

  92. 92.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 7:25 am

    @JPL: The theme of Trump, champion of the Jews against antisemitism, particularly makes me ill, given the way Trump’s candidacy has brought out the Stormfront Nazi crowd to rant and preen like nothing else in history. Trump won’t even say anything to discourage them.

  93. 93.

    Kay

    June 14, 2016 at 7:25 am

    I got a call from a retired common pleas judge yesterday. He’s really excited about Clinton. He was the county judge for a while a long time ago and he’s a Democrat. He’s not that popular a figure in the local Party because once he was elected he never again did anything for the local Party. ANYhoo! I’m shallow and they need help so I was nice to him and hit him up for the (prospective) headquarters rent. I personally think he should pay all of it :)

  94. 94.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 7:26 am

    Since I was in college I’ve always voted several times. By that I mean I cast my vote, but I also have worked very hard to get undecided, sometimes even hostile voters to cast ballots that they wouldn’t have cast without weeks, sometimes months of gentle persuasion on my part. Every year I could count three to five successes.

    In the late nineties and past the turn of the century, I taught ESL to a large group of mostly Mexican immigrants. It wasn’t through any school, I simply volunteered my time (I am credentialed in ESL.). I not only made lifelong friends, but I worked very hard to help them understand that it was their responsibility (once they became citizens) to participate. Of course, as a group they are natural Democrats, but the problem is not who they’d prefer, but making sure they get to the polls (or now in our case mail in our ballots), which is a major problem among many Hispanic immigrants.

    At first I sat with many of them and explained the ballot, the issues (as fairly as I could), and tried to make sure they didn’t cast invalid ballots. In the end, I let then fill out their ballots in private — I never saw the choices they made, but I know them, so I wasn’t worried. Now, I stop by or we talk on the phone and I make sure they understand their ballots, especially the initiatives which can be confusing.

    To this day I don’t know how they voted on the Death with Dignity initiative that brought physician assisted relief to terminally ill patients. Their Catholic religion is important to them, but they have minds of their own. All I know is that they heard more than the usual scare stories from people who are sure, or claim to be, that the laws will be used to kill the elderly and disabled.

  95. 95.

    Lounger

    June 14, 2016 at 7:27 am

    From the NYT’s lead article today:

    Investigators now face the question of how much the killings were the act of a deeply disturbed man, as his former wife and others described him, and how much he was driven by religious or political ideology. Whatever drove him to carry out the shootings, his actions highlight the difficulty for the American government in trying to address a new style of terrorism — random acts of violence that may have been at least partly inspired by the Islamic State but were not directed by the group’s leaders.

    Of course, if you substituted “Republican Party” or “conservative movement” for “Islamic State” you could easily write the same paragraph about the Colo. Springs Planned Parenthood shooter, Dylann Roof, et al. And actually in those cases you could leave out the “may have been at least partly” weasel words.

  96. 96.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 7:27 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    He does excel in one thing, being a one man wrecking crew.

  97. 97.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 7:29 am

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:

    I’ll stick with my conviction that I simply can’t judge other people’s private relationships. (But you may be right.)

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Sad, but true. We men are not, simply can’t be, to blame.

  98. 98.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:29 am

    Ahhh America, don’t it grate?

    Goldman Sachs bankers paid for prostitutes, private jets and five-star hotels and held business meetings on yachts to win business from a Libyan investment fund set up under Gaddafi regime, the high court in London was told yesterday.

    The allegations came at the start of a legal claim by the Libyan Investment Authority for $1.2bn (£846m) from the investment bank. Lawyers for the LIA are claiming for losses on nine trades that Goldman Sachs executed for the fund between January and April 2008.

    The LIA lost almost all its investment through the trades – one of which was the largest that the bank had undertaken in a single stock – while Goldman Sachs generated “eyewatering” profits of over more than $200m from the trades, Roger Masefield, a QC for LIA, said.

    Business as usual.

  99. 99.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 7:29 am

    It’s 4:30 here. Night all.

  100. 100.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 7:30 am

    @bemused: US political talk, especially the kind that aspires to be highbrow, tends to disparage partisanship as mindless,arbitrary rah-rah behavior, like supporting a football team, and it drives a lot of highly-educated people particularly to say they “vote the person, not the party”. Obviously the character of the person is important–this year, that should be clearer than ever. But I tell people that in practice the party is usually what you get, so it makes sense to take that into account.

  101. 101.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 7:31 am

    @Another Holocene Human

    Reminded of this anti-NSA snooping photo.

  102. 102.

    Lounger

    June 14, 2016 at 7:32 am

    @bemused: Right. My wife follows politics only casually which I guess helps her not take for granted things that seem obvious to us geeks.

  103. 103.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 7:36 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Yes and we should take care to emphasize that when talking with people who only casually follow politics.

  104. 104.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 14, 2016 at 7:36 am

    @satby: It was so good of you to share your heart and your home with both of them. I’m sure they will never forget your generosity.

    Enjoy the memories!

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  105. 105.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 7:38 am

    @Central Planning:

    I saw a car (relatively new Nissan) with a “Reagan-Bush ’84” bumper sticker on it yesterday.

    What’s that mean besides they want a return to the Reagan years? Is there something special about the 1984 election vs. ’80 or even ’88?

    ’84 was the biggest, most crushing landslide election. Reagan won handily in ’80 but he annihilated Mondale in ’84. For Republicans I imagine it’s an event of mythic significance–it certainly is for me, just the other way around.

    (In the popular vote, ’72 was actually a bigger landslide for the Republicans, but Nixon is still under a cloud even to them, whether they’ll admit it or not.)

  106. 106.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:39 am

    @Matt McIrvin: Plus Nixon was America’s last liberal president, so that’s a negative in their book.

  107. 107.

    NorthLeft12

    June 14, 2016 at 7:40 am

    I guess the Donald is going all in on Obama’s “malfeasance”. He wants him to resign in disgrace, rather than just resign quietly.

  108. 108.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:41 am

    @Lounger: Right. I think it’s difficult for a lot of us who follow this stuff daily to distinguish between the bullshitters and the victims of the bullshit.

  109. 109.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 14, 2016 at 7:43 am

    @TriassicSands: It’s still very early. People have a lot of time to think about the present and the future rather than dwell on the past.

    She’s got time to make the sale.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Iowa Old Lady

    June 14, 2016 at 7:43 am

    I realize this means I’m the deluded one, but it kind of amazes me that even Trump can look at Obama and then at himself and come to the conclusion that he’d be the better president.

    ETA: Maybe this is why it feels like Trump doesn’t really want to be president. I don’t believe he thinks beyond election day when he proves himself to be a winner.

  111. 111.

    rikyrah

    June 14, 2016 at 7:44 am

    @Baud:
    In a country with a 50 percent divorce rate, Hillary gets slammed for sticking with her marriage vows. ???

  112. 112.

    debbie

    June 14, 2016 at 7:45 am

    @TriassicSands:

    When I hear that line of thinking, I point out that while Republicans are quick to attack blow jobs, they’re silent when it’s shown that pedophiles are in their midst.

  113. 113.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 14, 2016 at 7:46 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: “Soared 10%” sounds like more of a blip to me – kind of a desperate ploy for the NRA and the gun lobby to show that people really love them still.

    Maybe most of the gun lovers already have enough?

    :-/

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 7:46 am

    @bemused: Of course, this year it might be counterproductive to emphasize the importance of party, since we’re also trying to peel partisan Republicans away from Trump.

    I think that if I were very true-believer conservative I’d be seriously torn, and it would be difficult to pull the eject lever: even they can recognize that Trump is a horrible person who would be dangerous in office, and he’s not even particularly conservative in his instincts; but this year, whoever wins the presidential election determines ideological control of the Supreme Court probably for the next 20 years. The impulse to say “well, he’ll hire smart conservatives to tell him what to do, and the good Republicans in Congress will keep him in check when he goes off script” is, I imagine, powerful. We hate those guys too so it doesn’t work on us.

  115. 115.

    Iowa Old Lady

    June 14, 2016 at 7:47 am

    @debbie: And note that these prospective voters were debating whether to vote for Clinton or Trump. So they prefer his record on marriage?

  116. 116.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:50 am

    @Matt McIrvin: The Supreme Court should be driving our turnout too. Hopefully it will by election day. I seen too many Salon articles arguing why it doesn’t matter. smh.

  117. 117.

    debbie

    June 14, 2016 at 7:52 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    Low information as in zero!

  118. 118.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 7:52 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Perhaps they were debating whether to vote for Clinton or stay home/leave the oval blank/vote third party.

  119. 119.

    Cat48

    June 14, 2016 at 7:53 am

    A Congress Critter was on TV Mon. & said he didn’t know how strongly he supported Isis bc he had also mentioned he was aligned with Hezbollah & al Nusra at some point. The 3 groups are bitter enemies of each other. I tried to find that myself but I havent yet.

    Maybe it was in Intel he received.?
    Extremely disturbed & violent for sure.
    Weird if he kept trying out new terror groups.

  120. 120.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 14, 2016 at 7:54 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Especially since by then W gave up drinking and wouldn’t be having a beer with anyone… :-/

    The framing of our politics has been part of the reason why Democrats have had such a tough time the last 35+ years. We need a good sloganeer as well as having good, sensible people running for office.

    I think we’re getting there, but man has it been a tough slog.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Splitting Image

    June 14, 2016 at 7:55 am

    @Baud:

    Before they wanted ratings. Now they want to avoid being blamed.

    This is exactly right. Every time a Christian terrorist takes out an abortion clinic, there is a massive rush to disown the mentally ill lone wolf by the media figures who constantly call abortion providers murderers and call for their assassination. Even with the actual shooter in Orlando, the cries of “he was a registered Democrat” began almost immediately.

    It’s going to be a bit harder to paint Trump as a registered Democrat, seeing as he’s the Republican nominee and all.

    That said, in the unlikely event he does win, the media narrative will be that he couldn’t have done it without crossover votes from dissatisfied Bernie-or-Busters, so the blame for each nuclear war Trump begins will fall on the Social*st left and on the warmonger Hillary Clinton for failing to inspire them.

  122. 122.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 7:55 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    We need a good sloganeer as well as having good, sensible people running for office.

    I tried, man. I tried

  123. 123.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 7:56 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: after every one of these massacres gun sales go up because the nutters are just certain sure that this time the 2nd Amendment will succumb> Investors know this and buy the stock to get in on some of those short term profits. They don’t seem to care that it is blood money.

  124. 124.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 7:56 am

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    I agree. I can’t imagine he is eager to really live in the White House which is a big deal but I doubt the WH can compare to the lush living he is used to. It would not even be close to the pampered life he is accustomed to and I think he would go even more nuts than he is now.

  125. 125.

    Ultraviolet Thunder

    June 14, 2016 at 7:58 am

    Today? Looking forward to the WaPo making Trump look like a small time grifter megalomaniac, every day for the next 5 months. Trump thinks he’s got the upper hand with the media but he’s about to get the back of the Post’s hand across his face.
    Over and over and over and…

  126. 126.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2016 at 8:00 am

    @bemused:
    Can POTUS decline to live in the White House, because it’s not deluxe enough? I’d almost like to see President Trump try to justify that one to the American people.

  127. 127.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 8:01 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    since we’re also trying to peel partisan Republicans away from Trump.

    Not me. Fvck them. They are the party of Trump. They built it, they can have it. If they don’t like it, tuff sh!t. Besides, everything you said after this is dead on. They didn’t learn a damn thing from Bush who had a cabinet full of “adults” to help him.

  128. 128.

    JGabriel

    June 14, 2016 at 8:01 am

    @Tom:

    Also, for those of you like me who are missing quality TV … , I’ve started a re-watch of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

    Also known as: River Tam and Cersei Lannister Kick Everyone’s Ass.

  129. 129.

    El Caganer

    June 14, 2016 at 8:02 am

    @Amir Khalid: You haven’t read about the plans for Trump Towers Pennsylvania Avenue?

  130. 130.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 14, 2016 at 8:02 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: It’s hard. Condolences to you and Bob.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  131. 131.

    Schlemazel Khan

    June 14, 2016 at 8:02 am

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
    It has been known for some time now that fewer and fewer Americans own guns but the number of guns per owner is continuing to climb. I find those fact to be chilling as it seems the nutballs really are stockpiling for Armageddon.

  132. 132.

    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    June 14, 2016 at 8:03 am

    @Mustang Bobby: As Baud said, best wishes on both. We’re hoping for the best.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  133. 133.

    Cat48

    June 14, 2016 at 8:03 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    Probably if its not gold enough?? :)

  134. 134.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 8:04 am

    @Amir Khalid:

    That did cross my mind too. If anyone would do that, it would be Trump.

  135. 135.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 8:04 am

    @Iowa Old Lady: Trump obviously doesn’t want to do the job of a President; that’s why even his campaign people have been floating the idea of appointing an august “COO” to do the day-to-day work. But he surely does want to be elected President, and to become the winningest, most powerful and feared man in the world.

  136. 136.

    Tissue Thin Pseudonym

    June 14, 2016 at 8:08 am

    @Baud:

    I tried, man. I tried

    He said, “sloganeer,” not, “buccaneer.”

  137. 137.

    Schlemazel Khan

    June 14, 2016 at 8:09 am

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Good luck to both of you.
    It makes it hard to celebrate the good news with a serious situation like that going on. It is a very good sign he went on his own though.

  138. 138.

    JGabriel

    June 14, 2016 at 8:10 am

    @Central Planning:

    What’s that mean besides they want a return to the Reagan years? Is there something special about the 1984 election vs. ’80 or even ’88?

    Reagan won every state but Minnesota in 1984. It was horrible. Anyway, Republicans want to bask in the nostalgic piss-colored glow of their 1984 Electoral College dominance, and whine about all the people who – remembering what the 80’s and early 00’s were like – don’t want to ever see a Republican dominated government again.

  139. 139.

    gvg

    June 14, 2016 at 8:10 am

    Remembering the Lewinsky media frenzy, I’ve always thought it would have been almost impossible for Hillary to react like anybody else to the adultery. Can you imagine the attacks on her at that time if she had sought a divorce? I think the public scrutiny must have put pressure on both to depend only on each other and develop an us against the world attitude. Her situation was not at all like say my aunt’s when she found out her husband had cheated. I’ll add that my aunt stayed married and their have apparently not been any more problems, but I didn’t think I would have. The generation can influence too. Her daughter did divorce years later and husband cheating was a factor. It’s none of my business, nor anybody else’s unless abuse if a possibility.

  140. 140.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 8:10 am

    @Amir Khalid: Mayor Michael Bloomberg choose to remain in his home rather than live in Gracie Mansion, the official mayoral residence. So, maybe?

  141. 141.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 8:13 am

    @Amir Khalid: The big issue would be security if he decided to live somewhere else.

  142. 142.

    piratedan

    June 14, 2016 at 8:20 am

    ahh the travails of being on the road… woke up to Moaning Joe. watched Brokaw bloviate about a national day of mourning and that transitioned to Newtown and one of the panel indicated that yes, there was 80% support for an national background check and nothing happened. At no time, did anyone say, who was in charge of Congress at this moment. Who blocked the president’s initiatives… just a side step that gun control lege has to be bipartisan but no mention of which fucking party is blocking it.

    Christ, glad I packed my bp meds….

  143. 143.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 8:21 am

    @Amir Khalid

    There is no requirement that a president live in the White House. Regardless, it would still be the official residence of the president, whether occupied or not.

  144. 144.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2016 at 8:21 am

    @LAO:
    @Baud:
    Does the Donald have a house in DC? Maybe. One the Secret Service could secure like they do the White House? Probably not.

  145. 145.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 8:23 am

    @Amir Khalid: Don’t know. Would rather ensure he never has the opportunity to live or reject living in the White House. ?

  146. 146.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 8:23 am

    @Baud

    All that free maintenance, upkeep and upgrades to Trump Tower and the aging Florida property he would get – without laying out a dime.

  147. 147.

    Amir Khalid

    June 14, 2016 at 8:24 am

    @NotMax:
    But as I recall, since the White House was built no POTUS has refused to live in it, right? Aside from when it was being repaired after the British torched it, that is.

  148. 148.

    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 8:26 am

    @TriassicSands: @Patricia Kayden: Tl;dr but I have heard that objection to Hillary Clinton numerous times: that if she was ethical she would have left him, and she didn’t because she’s a power mad b#tch. Fucking crazy, but I consider it an excuse too.

  149. 149.

    magurakurin

    June 14, 2016 at 8:35 am

    @rikyrah:

    Hillary gets slammed for sticking with her marriage vows.

    No. She’s getting slammed for what she did. It doesn’t matter what she did or does she will be slammed for it. If she had divorced Bill those very same people who are slamming her for staying with him would be saying, “I can’t believe she left him and didn’t stick with him and her marriage vows.” Whatever she does…they’re against it. It’s the Groucho Marx Theory of politics.

  150. 150.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 8:36 am

    @efgoldman: Clearly, we need to ban all U.S. citizens from entering this country.

  151. 151.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 8:36 am

    @efgoldman: But but but…. 911!!!!!!

  152. 152.

    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 8:36 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Best wishes to you both. It’s promising that he realized he was in trouble, so I hope he gets his balance back.

  153. 153.

    Schlemazel Khan

    June 14, 2016 at 8:37 am

    @efgoldman:
    No, thats OK, I’ll make special exceptions for the good people on BJ!

  154. 154.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 8:37 am

    @efgoldman:

    It would be less tiring to list how many are/were US citizens but not born in this country.

  155. 155.

    PurpleGirl

    June 14, 2016 at 8:38 am

    Boo is adorable. The picture is really great… Wade, how long did it take you to get that picture?

  156. 156.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 8:38 am

    @Amir Khalid

    Refused? No. Moved elsewhere for a time? Yes.

    For example, Lincoln decamped during the summer months to a relatively cooler spot in D.C. at the nearby Rock Creek neighborhood to escape some of the stifling heat of swampy Washington.

    (So far as repairs go, Truman moved to Blair House, across the street, for a long stint when the White House was gutted for total reconstruction.)

  157. 157.

    David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch

    June 14, 2016 at 8:39 am

    NBC Poll – Presidential Match-up – June 6 thur 12

    Clinton………….47%
    Trump…………..40%

    The last two weeks have taken a toll on Donald Trump.

    Two weeks ago the weekly tracking poll was statistically tied with Clinton at 47 percent and Trump at 46 percent.

    Clinton’s gains over the past two weeks in the tracking poll are coming from increases in support among moderates, men and white voters. She narrowed Trump’s margin among men and white voters from double digits in last week’s poll to single digits this week. Clinton picked up 7 points among moderate voters this week and now leads Trump 58 percent to 33 percent among them.

    A majority of voters also think that Clinton will win the 2016 presidential election against Trump — 54 percent said Clinton will win, and 40 percent said Trump will win. The 14-point margin is up from only a 5-point margin last week.

    Roll tide, roll

  158. 158.

    rikyrah

    June 14, 2016 at 8:39 am

    @efgoldman:

    Any questions?

    ETA: I stopped there because I got tired of typing. I could go on and on….

    I have no questions and just a hearty AMEN to what you wrote.

  159. 159.

    JMG

    June 14, 2016 at 8:40 am

    Hillary Clinton is loathed by a significant percentage of white men and a smaller percentage of white women because of her status as an equal in a two-career marriage and because she’s been the boss of men, and that was true long before anybody heard of Monica Lewinsky. If there’s one very faintly positive thing coming out of this election, it’s that our national psychoses are becoming too blatant to be lied or rationalized away — even by the “go back to sleep and buy some more stuff” media.

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    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 8:41 am

    @efgoldman: just copied that in full and put it on FB with attribution. Perfect summary.

  161. 161.

    rikyrah

    June 14, 2016 at 8:42 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Not me. Fvck them. They are the party of Trump. They built it, they can have it. If they don’t like it, tuff sh!t

    Absolutely on point. They own that muthaphucka lock, stock and barrel.

  162. 162.

    Peale

    June 14, 2016 at 8:44 am

    @NorthLeft12: trump should call for Congress to impeach the Muslim loving weakling immediately. Please Donald. The country demands it. Call Paul and Mitch and yet at them as long as it takes….please. Call Mitch and yell at him.

  163. 163.

    D58826

    June 14, 2016 at 8:44 am

    @JGabriel: And just a note of warning to the Bernie folks who think there is a huge progressive wave out there just waiting to be tapped by the correct, i.e. Bernie, leader.

  164. 164.

    rikyrah

    June 14, 2016 at 8:45 am

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Iowa Old Lady: Trump obviously doesn’t want to do the job of a President; that’s why even his campaign people have been floating the idea of appointing an august “COO” to do the day-to-day work.

    This should be pointed out.
    My eyes blinked when I first read that from his campaign.

    Someone putting out, that a candidate FOR PRESIDENT…

    doesn’t really actually want to do THE WORK of the President.

    They just want ‘ TO BE’ President.

    Wow.

    White Privilege 101.

    How could anyone BUT a White man put that out in the universe and not be run out of town as unqualified.

  165. 165.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 8:48 am

    @D58826

    Bernie who?

    ;)

  166. 166.

    germy

    June 14, 2016 at 8:51 am

    @rikyrah:

    doesn’t really actually want to do THE WORK of the President.

    But that’s running government like a business. It’s every corporation I’ve ever worked for. Layers and layers of lower, middle and upper managers, a top manager who dozes in his office. And yet they complain about government wastefulness…

  167. 167.

    OzarkHillbilly

    June 14, 2016 at 8:53 am

    Kevin Drum:

    Finally, today brings a new study from the Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy. It’s worth a read, but my favorite part is the chart on the right. It relies on data from Media Tenor, so it hasn’t been cherry picked by the researchers themselves. It shows that (a) only a tiny amount of primary campaign coverage was devoted to issues, (b) of that coverage, Donald Trump’s was 57 percent positive or neutral (!), and (c) Hillary’s was 84 percent negative. That’s issue coverage. Hillary wasn’t just savaged on her tone or her clothing or her poll numbers. She was savaged on the issues, the one place where practically everyone agrees she’s strong and knowledgable. Even if you disagree with her—and that isn’t supposed to affect media coverage—she knows what she’s talking about.

    And this wasn’t driven just by Emailgate or Benghazi or whatnot: “Even the non-scandal portion of Clinton’s issue coverage—what she was saying on trade, jobs, foreign policy, and the like—was reported more negatively than positively. Clinton was the only one of the major candidates whose policy platform generated an unfavorable balance of news coverage.”

    And people wonder why she avoids the press. Maybe if they treated her with the same dignity and respect they reserve for Donald Trump’s deep and profound knowledge of the issues, she’d open up a bit.

  168. 168.

    Ian

    June 14, 2016 at 8:54 am

    @Amir Khalid:
    I came to the same realization when I argue with the anti-Clinton voters and the best they can do is say “emails”.

  169. 169.

    Baud

    June 14, 2016 at 8:57 am

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    And people wonder why she avoids the press.

    Is it the press or the Village media?

  170. 170.

    Ian

    June 14, 2016 at 8:58 am

    @LAO:
    When they say religious freedom, read “Christian freedom”. This has been apparent for some time as they sued Obamacare for religious freedom while calling for a ban on an Islamic learning center.

  171. 171.

    Immanentize

    June 14, 2016 at 8:59 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: things we know to be true can still be depressing….

  172. 172.

    aimai

    June 14, 2016 at 9:03 am

    @rikyrah: But you see–it makes him superqualified! Because he can delegate. Trump’s world is one in which leaders don’t do any work. They order work to be done. They are visionaries. (Actually, I think this is little discussed when it comes to Trump. Trump took an ordinary, unglamorous, entirely boring field (real estate) and turned it into a glamorous, high stakes, visionary activity while the real moneyw as going to be made in tech by a completely different kind of person with a completely different skill set. However the idea that Trump was a good businessman, a visionary, a money maker, and a good deal maker is completely illusory. He was just a flim flam man selling images and ripping off his own team. I remember reading a long article about him in the Times about his “favorite” deal which was to buy some important old building in NYC. He managed to buy it for much more than it was worth, and lose it in a fire sale five years later, but he brags about it to the Times like he is some kind of genius because other people lost money too. He tells the Times he loved the building so much he “had to have it” and then he manages it so badly he “has to sell it” and he overpays, and sells for less money than he paid, and he still pretends (and the Times does too) that this is some sign of visionary genius.)

  173. 173.

    gene108

    June 14, 2016 at 9:04 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Trump is the Republican base, over the last 8 years, distilled into a politician.

    Why is the media surprised?

    The MSM ignored every time a Republican dodged answering a question about where President Obama was born, gave free airtime to Birthers, and politicians who stoked hatred ((cough**Sarah Palin**cough)) by either back handedly saying he’s different or not smacking down Fox News, when they made Obama’s “unAmericanness” “news” has led to this candidate, Donald J. Trump.

    The media should not be shocked. They helped create this atmosphere, where Donald Trump can thrive.

  174. 174.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 9:04 am

    @efgoldman:

    I thought of those two but can’t think of any others.

  175. 175.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 14, 2016 at 9:04 am

    Quick question for attorneys. I was talking with a financial guy recently, and he recommended that I research a revocable living trust as opposed to a will. I’m married with three grown children, and we own real estate in two different states. That latter is why he was suggesting the trust. Is he off base?

  176. 176.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 9:05 am

    Arrgh. Not sleeping.

    @debbie:

    Well, the kids probably lured the men into doing something they otherwise never would have done. But Hillary, we all know exactly why Hillary does everything she does.

    One of the saddest things I’ve heard about Orlando is that a number of victims were outed by being murdered and appearing in the media. Some of their families are claiming that their sons weren’t gay — there has to be some mistake, because, no, their sons couldn’t have been and weren’t gay. Heartbreaking.

  177. 177.

    aimai

    June 14, 2016 at 9:05 am

    @Baud: I don’t see Hillayr as avoiding the press–I think she is taking a leaf out of Obama’s campaign and dealing directly with local press and politicians (the kind of people who get some coverage because they are local). I read that she is also taking the bull by the horns and producing her own natural, walking and talking, videos for distribution along her own supply lines instead of waiting for favorable coverage from the mass media.

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    BillinGlendaleCA

    June 14, 2016 at 9:06 am

    @Amir Khalid: Truman moved to Blair House while the White House underwent extensive repairs(they basically gutted the building and rebuilt the inside on steel frame).

  179. 179.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 9:06 am

    @Ian: I know but reading the comments and their pledges of loyalty to Trump was sickening. Their reasoning so flawed and hypocritical, I would have thought it was a spoof, if I didn’t know better. RW Christians sense entitlement and belief in their martyrdom knows no bounds.

  180. 180.

    bemused

    June 14, 2016 at 9:07 am

    @rikyrah:

    Rubio reportedly hates being a senator yet ran for president and now he is hinting he may run for office again.

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    Shell

    June 14, 2016 at 9:07 am

    Trump’s response to the Orlando carnage was not only bigoted and self-focused but also incredibly stupid – Ban all Muslim immigrants, when the shooter was a native born American? This is a really, really stupid man!

    Add to the list, a Coward! On the morning news they played a greatest hits of his comments yesterday on Obama. His insinuation that somehow , someway, Obama is responsible for these terror attacks. And then when an interviewer tries to nail him down to specifically what he’s alleging , its “Oh no, you have to decide that for yourself….blah-blah…Im not saying that”

    It needs to yelled from the roof tops, the man is a coward!

  182. 182.

    O. Felix Culpa

    June 14, 2016 at 9:08 am

    @Baud: Is there a meaningful difference?

  183. 183.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 9:08 am

    @Gin & Tonic: ask a CPA, I believe it’s tax based. Disclaimer, criminal defense attorney, relying on vague recollection from law school over 20 years ago.

  184. 184.

    germy

    June 14, 2016 at 9:13 am

    @bemused:

    Rubio reportedly hates being a senator yet ran for president and now he is hinting he may run for office again.

    He really just wants to be rich. Why doesn’t he go somewhere far away and make a lot of money?

  185. 185.

    aimai

    June 14, 2016 at 9:14 am

    @Lounger: This is an argument I make all the time. Its well worth making. A lot of people, including Democrats, have this hazy idea of what the Presidency is or does and especially if they voted previously for a charismatic figure like Bill or Obama they often never really learn their lesson. They continue to watch what happens when congress blocks their chosen leader and just shake their heads and moan “if only he were stronger, or angrier, or tougher” this wouldn’t be happening. They also don’t understand just how an entire administration changes hands and what that means for administrative law and change in things like the EEOC etc… If you can personalize it, find a specific example, you can usually convince someone who is on the fence about Hillary from a Democratic perspective. But the same argument, in reverse, can make it hard to flip a Republican.

  186. 186.

    D58826

    June 14, 2016 at 9:16 am

    @Gin & Tonic: Not a lawyer but when set up my estate plan in 2009 the lawyer set up a trust. When it needed a revision in 2015 a different lawyer said no a will was better. So don’t be surprised if you get conflicting answers

  187. 187.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 14, 2016 at 9:16 am

    @LAO: He said to talk to a lawyer. Maybe one of the more civil-oriented one of your tribe is around. The primary concern, it seemed, was not so much tax-based as probate-avoidance.

  188. 188.

    TriassicSands

    June 14, 2016 at 9:17 am

    @gene108:

    The media should not be shocked. They helped create this atmosphere, where Donald Trump can thrive.

    And now that the Frankenstein’s monster they helped create is running amok, they are still clinging to the “both sides do it” mentality that has done so much damage.

    How do you fact check a person with no regard whatsoever for the truth? The other day I heard some excerpts read from Trump’s book “The Art of the Deal.” Eerily, it reminded me of Hitler and Mein Kampf, in which Hitler revealed enough of his thinking and plans to frighten any sane person. In Trump’s case, the book is not about politics, per se, but rather explains why he does much of what he does. Everyone covering the election should read that book (no, not as punishment) and it might help them cover a serial liar and exaggerator. Trump admits that exaggerating is the way to get attention. Obviously, many of his exaggerations morph easily into falsehoods, and then outrageous, dangerous lies. The media have only a few months to learn how to cover a man who doesn’t play by the rules, because his only rule is self-aggrandizement. Right now they are being mercilessly manipulated by a truly evil person.

  189. 189.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 9:18 am

    @germy

    Because he has no skills and even less competence?

    Sugar daddies open their purses for only so long when no return on expenditure is forthcoming.

  190. 190.

    Kay

    June 14, 2016 at 9:18 am

    @David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:

    Yay. I want his poll numbers to drop because we haven’t seen his reaction to that yet. He’ll go crazy. Polls are his whole thing. He’s obsessed with them.

  191. 191.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 9:20 am

    @Gin & Tonic: that’s interesting. Probate should never be an issue unless there is conflict between heirs. I’d be interested in the “final answer”. As the future executor of both my parents wills, I have warned my brothers, it’s going to be ugly.

  192. 192.

    germy

    June 14, 2016 at 9:20 am

    @D58826:

    Not a lawyer but when set up my estate plan in 2009 the lawyer set up a trust. When it needed a revision in 2015 a different lawyer said no a will was better. So don’t be surprised if you get conflicting answers

    To simplify matters I’ve arranged to have all my possessions thrown into my funeral pyre. (It will be a small fire)

  193. 193.

    El Caganer

    June 14, 2016 at 9:21 am

    @OzarkHillbilly: Jesus Christ. Even if somebody doesn’t agree with her specific prescriptions, she knows what the issues are and has proposals to address them. When it comes to policy, The Donald can’t find his ass with both hands and a GPS.

  194. 194.

    germy

    June 14, 2016 at 9:22 am

    @NotMax: Competence is not needed if he robotically repeats their talking points to every media outlet who’ll have him.
    They need pleasant-looking faces reciting their lines.

    (He doesn’t look particularly pleasant to me, but compared to people like sheldon a., he’s a charmer. Sheldon looks like he was illustrated by Ralph Steadman)

  195. 195.

    D58826

    June 14, 2016 at 9:26 am

    @LAO: Given that the 99% of my asserts are financial and will be handled as beneficiaries, the only assets that would go into probate are the car and the contents of the apartment, the second lawyer said that the trust was overkill.

  196. 196.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 9:27 am

    @Gin & Tonic: if you can’t get an answer you are comfortable with, I have a good friend who’s practice is solely estate litigation. If you feel comfortable emailing me directly, I can ask Adam to send you my email address and will forward your specific question to my friend.

  197. 197.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 14, 2016 at 9:30 am

    @LAO: He said it also eases things if one or both of us are medically incapacitated. But it all sounds like a lot more work (i.e. expense.)

  198. 198.

    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism

    June 14, 2016 at 9:31 am

    @rikyrah:

    Someone putting out, that a candidate FOR PRESIDENT…

    doesn’t really actually want to do THE WORK of the President.

    They just want ‘ TO BE’ President.

    One of my favorite bits from a Vorkosigan novel: For all the talk of men coveting the emperor’s throne, Ivan had never yet heard anyone speak of coveting his desk.

  199. 199.

    Shell

    June 14, 2016 at 9:32 am

    A lot of people, including Democrats, have this hazy idea of what the Presidency is or does

    When I hear Trump talk about what he’d do in the WH or criticize Clinton about what he thinks she’d do, it gives a real look into how he sees the presidency; a kind of a dictatorship. When he claims Clinton is going to abolish the second amendment, someone needs to point out to him that no president can abolish a constitutional amendment. Or make laws on their own; thats Congress’ job. But he seems to think, once you’re president, its like sitting on the Iron Throne. Just wave your hand and its done.

  200. 200.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 14, 2016 at 9:32 am

    @LAO: Thanks for the offer. I need to do some research first.

  201. 201.

    Babette

    June 14, 2016 at 9:33 am

    @Gin & Tonic: If you leave both properties through your Will, your estate will be probated in two states. The out of state property will be subject to what’s known as “ancillary probate” – which in most cases is pretty straightforward. Nevertheless, a living trust is often appropriate when there is real property in multiple states, especially if probate in your state of residence is expensive and/or drawn out. Another option is retitling the out of state property so that it passes directly to your co-owner(s). Yes, it would be a good idea to consult with an estate planning attorney.

  202. 202.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 9:34 am

    @germy

    Thing is, his skills as a robot aren’t there either

    He oozes the old “Nothing can go wrong … go wrong … go wrong” roboticism.

  203. 203.

    hovercraft

    June 14, 2016 at 9:36 am

    @aimai:
    Yes they order their minons to do the work. How the mighty have fallen, back in 2012 everyone was begging Christie to run look at him now.

  204. 204.

    NotMax

    June 14, 2016 at 9:39 am

    @hovercraft

    Stepin Wretchit.

  205. 205.

    LAO

    June 14, 2016 at 9:40 am

    @Gin & Tonic: no problem. And, what Babette says at #204, makes sense to me.

  206. 206.

    Tom

    June 14, 2016 at 9:41 am

    @JGabriel: LOL.

    We started season 1 last night and I was reminded of how many bad-ass women are in this show.

  207. 207.

    Gin & Tonic

    June 14, 2016 at 9:46 am

    @Babette: Thanks for the explanation. My one concern in “consulting” with someone is that they have a direct incentive to “recommend” the more costly course of action.

  208. 208.

    hovercraft

    June 14, 2016 at 9:51 am

    @Kay:
    He has already started making excuses, based on last weeks Fox and Rassmussen he says it’s a reverse Bradley effect, people support him but won’t tell pollsters. It doesn’t make sense that all of a sudden people would start lying to pollsters. But if the trend continues he will be pressed I hope.

  209. 209.

    germy

    June 14, 2016 at 9:54 am

    @hovercraft:

    people support him but won’t tell pollsters

    “My supporters are ashamed to admit they support me.”

    Ringing endorsement.

  210. 210.

    Tom

    June 14, 2016 at 10:00 am

    @NotMax: I’d be willing to pay him to stay away from politics.

  211. 211.

    Gelfling545

    June 14, 2016 at 10:02 am

    @TriassicSands:

    that probably bothers a lot of people

    Because she’s the only person ever to stay with a partner who is flawed. We must get over this absurd expectation that not only must a candidate be eligible for canonization but family members must be also. Granted it’s a bit more pronounced because she will hold the position he once occupied but I don’t honestly remember the general public -as opposed to GOP political types – being nearly so critical of BC when he was actually in office. I guess there’s still a lot of feeling that if a man misbehaves it’s because there is something wrong with his wife.

  212. 212.

    Babette

    June 14, 2016 at 10:05 am

    @Gin & Tonic: More costly up front, yes, but not necessarily when you include the costs that come up after your death, to be paid out of your estate. There are several ways to structure your estate. What you choose will depend on your age, health, family, assets, state of residence, plans (if any) to relocate out of state, and a bunch of other factors that an attorney will ask you about. What you should avoid is a lawyer who aggressively pushes living trusts for everyone, because you probably won’t get the in depth counseling that will help you make your decisions, and you probably also won’t get the detailed follow through which is essential once the trust is created.

  213. 213.

    satby

    June 14, 2016 at 10:06 am

    @Gin & Tonic: My mother left a revocable living trust, and then a will that “swept” any property not specified into the trust. I would consult an estate planning attorney as well, because some of the advice my sister has gotten since she became an executor (not from estate planning attorneys) has been seriously wrong. Fortunately I knew that and steered her in a better direction with advice from botsplainer and BellaQ.
    Edited to add: what Babette says too.

  214. 214.

    hovercraft

    June 14, 2016 at 10:10 am

    @germy:
    He seems to think it shows there is a ‘silent majority’ out there just waiting to vote for him. I don’t know what world he’s living in but his fans have not been silent, they are loud, rude, and obnoxious.

  215. 215.

    Immanentize

    June 14, 2016 at 10:15 am

    @Gin & Tonic: If you get that vibe from an attorney or a financial adviser — run for the hills! A real attorney will only recommend the solution that is best for your situation, regardless of their future involvement (as in probate, etc.)

  216. 216.

    Ruckus

    June 14, 2016 at 10:19 am

    @Mustang Bobby:
    Checking himself in is a good thing. You may be very worried about why he’s in need of doing that but it is a good thing. He made a decision to get help to solve his problems, rather than try to do so on his own.

  217. 217.

    Matt McIrvin

    June 14, 2016 at 10:24 am

    @germy: I actually think there are a lot of people who support Hillary Clinton but keep quiet about it, not because they’re particularly ashamed but because they know it will start a fight, even with some of their liberal friends. But there would be little reason for them to lie to pollsters.

  218. 218.

    1,000 Flouncing Lurkers (was fidelioscabinet)

    June 14, 2016 at 10:31 am

    @Central Planning:

    A co-worker, who would have been 8 or so in 1980, had very fond memories of Ronald Reagan–all of them based either on the happy excited feelings brought on by the “Morning in America” spiel, or on the fall of the Berlin Wall.

    We underestimate what a great salesman for the GOP Reagan was–it was his greatest strength, and the most dangerous thing about him. He made people feel happy about things, without much reflection on the actual policies and incidents of his administration. A lot of people vote based solely on that–and while some of them buy cars and houses and get married the same way, without expending much consideration of anything except how the feel, voting for president seems to be one place otherwise thoughtful people give in to choosing based solely on their feelings.

    I think this is one of the main reasons Carter and Mondale, and then Dukakis went down in flames–they didn’t make people feel good the way Reagan did–and in 1988, Reagan’s mantle was still stretched over GHWBush. When Bush went up against Bill Clinton, he looked like a grim stiff, and when Gore went up against GWBush, he, too, looked like a stiff, as did Kerry. McCain, I suspect, gave a lot of these folks a crazy grandpa vibe, while Obama looked young and vigorous and optimistic.

    I’ll let the commentariat consider how this works out for Clinton vs. Trump.

  219. 219.

    Mike R

    June 14, 2016 at 10:35 am

    @Gin & Tonic: We set up a revocable trust. We have some horses that we wanted taken care of if something happened to us. It was a little more expensive than a will, but it serves the purpose to insure that our horses live out their lives in peace. After they expire it converts to basically a will and the remaining assets are divided among the heirs.

  220. 220.

    Miss Bianca

    June 14, 2016 at 11:41 am

    @Mustang Bobby: Wow. Seconding good wishes on all fronts.

    @Kay: Yay!…ish? ; )

  221. 221.

    Brachiator

    June 14, 2016 at 12:31 pm

    @hovercraft:

    He has already started making excuses, based on last weeks Fox and Rassmussen he says it’s a reverse Bradley effect, people support him but won’t tell pollsters

    There was never any such thing as The Bradley Effect. Probably no such thing as a reverse Bradley Effect either.

    @germy:

    RE: Rubio reportedly hates being a senator yet ran for president and now he is hinting he may run for office again.

    He really just wants to be rich. Why doesn’t he go somewhere far away and make a lot of money?

    Rubio probably could not earn much actually working for a living, but he can rake in big bucks as a senator from well-heeled donors.

  222. 222.

    Brachiator

    June 14, 2016 at 12:47 pm

    @efgoldman:

    Any questions?

    ETA: I stopped there because I got tired of typing. I could go on and on….

    No questions. You laid it out plain.

  223. 223.

    PurpleGirl

    June 14, 2016 at 1:00 pm

    @Amir Khalid: In the late 1940s the WH was rebuilt from the beams out because it was just about falling apart. And in the 1960s Jacqueline Kennedy did a major overhaul of the decoration and furnishings of the WH. I’ve taken the tour of the WH and it is pretty damn luxurious. There are maids and cleaning people, several chefs and assistants — Melania won’t have to vacuum and clean anything. Gold faucets do not make it luxurious.

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