Dayum, Go Watch! (UPDATED)

Here’s a link to a CSPAN video of Hillary Clinton’s speech in San Diego today, in which she outlined national security policy and peeled, julienned and fried the vulgar talking yam. Sampler platter:

“Donald Trump’s ideas aren’t just different, they are dangerously incoherent. They’re not even really ideas, just a series of bizarre rants, personal feuds and outright lies.”

“He is not just unprepared; he is temperamentally unfit to hold an office that requires knowledge, stability and immense responsibility.”

“This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because someone got under his very thin skin.”

That’s just the beginning. Twitter hot take between the principals:

Clinton clobbered Trump today, and she’s going to cream that fucking clown in November.

UPDATE: Transcript is here. Y’all will like this part:

I remember being in the Situation Room with President Obama, debating the potential Bin Laden operation. The President’s advisors were divided. The intelligence was compelling but far from definitive. The risks of failure were daunting. The stakes were significant for our battle against al Qaeda and our relationship with Pakistan. Most of all, the lives of those brave SEALs and helicopter pilots hung in the balance.

It was a decision only the President could make. And when he did, it was as crisp and courageous a display of leadership as I’ve ever seen.

Now imagine Donald Trump sitting in the Situation Room, making life-or-death decisions on behalf of the United States. Imagine him deciding whether to send your spouses or children into battle. Imagine if he had not just his Twitter account at his disposal when he’s angry, but America’s entire arsenal.

Do we want him making those calls – someone thin-skinned and quick to anger, who lashes out at the smallest criticism? Do we want his finger anywhere near the button?

To paraphrase valued commenter Amydala, that’s the part where Clinton covered the vulgar talking yam with marshmallows and stuck him under the broiler…






369 replies
  1. 1
    Keith G says:

    Yay!! Sharp elbows and an ax handle. Love it!

  2. 2

    I believe that was a “welcome to the major leagues, Donnie boy…”

  3. 3

    Yeah, that was awesome. Thanks to @Cat48 for pointing it out in the previous thread!

  4. 4
    Trollhattan says:

    @Keith G:
    I vote for bringing the entire axe next go.

  5. 5
    rikyrah says:

    “This is not someone who should ever have the nuclear codes because it’s not hard to imagine Donald Trump leading us into a war just because someone got under his very thin skin.”

    SAY IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

  6. 6
    bystander says:

    Another bad day for Trump. Too bad, so sad.

    Now, if I could just resist MSNBC and avoid hearing about how bad a loss in California would be for Hillary. It’s one thing for Sanders to willfully ignore the inevitable. Why would a supposed source of news, if not journalism, actually, entertain this ignorance of the mathematical near certainty of Hillary winning the nomination in New Jersey? And ignoring how inconsequential losing California was for Obama?

  7. 7
    geg6 says:

    Ol’ Deadbeat Donnie just got schooled. Bet he’s on the verge of stroking out right about now.

  8. 8
    Bob In Portland says:

    This.

  9. 9
    Mike J says:

    Thank god the primary is over and we can get out the pliers and blow torch and go after the real enemy.

  10. 10
    Trollhattan says:

    @Mike J:
    20 quatloos for “Pulp Fiction” ref.

  11. 11
    bemused says:

    @geg6:

    I can’t wait until Obama and Biden get full on board. Trump is going to have order more suits to keep up with the flopsweat.

  12. 12
    Chyron HR says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Oh god oh god they’re criticizing Donald Trump, I have to change the subject right away!

    Spoken like a “true progressive”.

  13. 13
    amygdala says:

    Thanks, I needed that. She also covered him in marshmallows and then stuck him under the broiler.

  14. 14
    Cacti says:

    @Chyron HR:

    Spoken like a “true progressive”.

    Putin wants Trump as POTUS.

    Ergo, Boob in Putinland wants Trump as POTUS.

  15. 15
    Corner Stone says:

    @Mike J: The primary has been over since MA. Can we pleez to haz the actual Voltron combination of PBO, WJC, Uncle Joe, EW and HRC attacking the vile vulgar yam?

  16. 16
    amk says:

    How hard it is to shitcan stupid trolls?

  17. 17
    Bob In Portland says:

    I just lost two comments here. I’ll try later. But I certainly plan to read H. Clinton’s foreign policy speech.

    Strong and flag-waving, I’m guessing.

  18. 18
    Corner Stone says:

    @bemused:

    Trump is going to have order more suits to keep up with the flopsweat.

    But will his tailor continue to extend his credit line since he probably hasn’t been paid in months.

  19. 19
    Trollhattan says:

    Hillary’s speech top story (& above the fold) on BBC News website.

    Hillary Clinton: Donald Trump is ‘dangerously incoherent’

  20. 20
    Hillary Rettig says:

    @Trollhattan: 20 quatloos for the quatloo reference!

  21. 21
    Archon says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Welcome to America, Bob in Portland.

  22. 22
    Davis X. Machina says:

    I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of testicles suddenly cried out in terror and retracted like the front gear on a 737….

  23. 23
    bemused says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Ha. The clown who lives on credit.

  24. 24
    Trollhattan says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Is that the Trump Discount I keep hearing about? Too bad he doesn’t have a championship ring he could show to buddy Vlad. Might even things up a wee.

  25. 25

    Wished this exchange had happened after Trump’s recent press conference:

    Trump: The Press are being mean to me!

    Clinton: Welcome to the NFL!

  26. 26
    sacrablue says:

    When do we get to hear Bernie’s big foreign policy speech?

  27. 27
    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Jesus, Boob – given that old Pravda/USA-Canada institute naming convention that you’re using, you must be about a thousand years old.

    Did you ever meet Arbatov? What was he like? What were the meetings like during the Watergate hearings, and how long did it take to reach the consensus to have Brezhnev send the letter of support to Nixon?

  28. 28
    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @sacrablue:

    Who’s Bernie?

  29. 29
    Yellowdog says:

    @Bob In Portland: Strong and ass-kicking.

  30. 30
    Aqualad08 says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    This.

    If you’re going to try and distract us from Hillary pulling Donald’s jersey over his head and kneeing him in the groin, might I suggest a shinier set of keys than Noam Chomsky shitting his pants over “war?”

  31. 31
    hellslittlestangel says:

    The really fun part of election night will be watching all the Republicans Trump takes down with him.

  32. 32
    Cacti says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    Boob’s favorite book is “Listen Liberal”. It’s an instruction manual on how to give Vlad a handjob.

  33. 33
    Corner Stone says:

    It’s Hillary Clinton’s speech. The Paul Ryan vote for Trump is small potatoes to HRC ripping Trump into drawn and quartered territory.

    ETA, sorry that was to Tweety asking his panel what was the biggest news of the day.

  34. 34
    Ripley says:

    @Bob In Portland: Or rather, this.

  35. 35
    Aleta says:

    song for summer afternoon, horns + snare

  36. 36
    Poopyman says:

    @Trollhattan: While CNN leads with Prince’s cause of death.

    Yay journalism in the US.

  37. 37
    Aqualad08 says:

    @sacrablue:

    When do we get to hear Bernie’s big foreign policy speech?

    As soon as Jane prints it out… it’s been stuck in the queue behind the tax returns for the last three months…

  38. 38
    lollipopguild says:

    If I had a hammer, I would hammer Trump in the morning, I would hammer Trump in the evening, I would hammer Trump all over this land.

  39. 39
    Corner Stone says:

    Why in the fuck would FP be a “vulnerability” for HRC? She’s after keeping the Obama coalition. That was his FP she executed. He was the boss. That is not a vulnerability if you want to retain the Obama coalition for this election.

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    Mike J says:

    @Hillary Rettig: 20 OEDs for the reference reference!

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Davis X. Machina: Shrinkage.

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    sacrablue says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: His damn yard signs and bumper stickers are sprouting all around me and it is making me worry that he will keep up his bullshit all the way to the convention. Tuesday better be a bigger win than what the polls are suggesting here. Local news media are acting like Hillary might lose in CA.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Poopyman:
    CNN–delivering “news” in a fashion that matches your expectations.

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    @Tom Levenson:
    o=Oops. Sorry. Did not see your comment when I posted mine on
    Welcome to the NFL. Well, Great Minds Stink Alike, and all that.

  45. 45
    amk says:

    @sacrablue: His stock answer: Can’t you imbeciles I am running for president and don’t have time for such nonsense?

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    Cacti says:

    @sacrablue:

    When do we get to hear Bernie’s big foreign policy speech?

    Bernie doesn’t know foreign policy. He’s busy running for President.

    Well, that’s what he told Univision anyway.

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    cmorenc says:

    I hope the structure of Clinton’s speech breaks down nicely into concise sound bytes (of the sort the media are geared to consume and rebroadcast) that yet retain their substantive potency, and there aren’t any inadvertently inartful passages they will latch onto instead. Unfortunately, that’s the political reality of the way news is transmitted and consumed by a large majority of the electorate, who can’t (or won’t) take the time to delve into an extended, complicated policy speech. If Mark Sumner’s diary over at the DKos summarizing the high points is any indication, Clinton may have delivered magnificently. I sure hope so – I’ll take time later today to listen to the entire speech myself.

  48. 48
    Bob In Portland says:

    @Chyron HR: No. I criticize Trump. He’s a clown. I criticize H. Clinton because she’s a warmonger.

    “I will leave it to the psychiatrists to explain his affection for tyrants,” she [Clinton] said.

    The House of Saud gave H. Clinton a half million in jewels a couple of years ago. Let’s turn around her quote: What explains tyrants’ affection for Hillary?

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    Psych1 says:

    Iraq – Syria – Libya

  50. 50
    phoebes from highland park says:

    What went unsaid in Clinton’s speech about being in the war room was that while that difficult decision was made and then being carried out in top secret, Obama was at the WHCD absolutely wiping out Trump. It was a thing of beauty and was even more impressive when he announced the following morning the capture and execution of Bin Ladin!

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    Corner Stone says:

    @cmorenc: It was very well done for this era’s sound byte nation and press. Perfect cadence and delivery for retweets and highlights.

  52. 52

    @Hillary Rettig:
    Hillary was wielding the battle axe from the Gamesters of Triskelon,
    after finally disabling her inhibitor collar.

  53. 53
    amk says:

    Contrast this with the craven & cowardly surrendering of the entire gop ‘establishment’ to the donald dreck.

  54. 54
    Enhanced Voting Techinques says:

    Trump sort of screwed with Clinton – Trump can’t just brush her barbs off like Obama did in 2008 and still play The Donald with his base. Same time Trump responds to Hilary he looks likes a childish twit to everyone else. And that sort of proves Clinton’s point about Trump shouldn’t be let near the presidency because he’s so senstive.

  55. 55
    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Uh, Donnie?

    You come at the Queen, you best not miss.

    Oops.

    Too late.

  56. 56
    AkaDad says:

    She just went nuclear on his ass! I has a happy.

  57. 57
    Bob In Portland says:

    @Cacti: Do you insult your wife/girlfriend after she gives you sex? Or do you have a relationship with a woman? Or anyone? You always seem to need to use sex as a way to demean people. Sounds like your mama didn’t raise you right.

    Remain in pathetic self-enforced ignorance. In your own way you are a neoliberal purity troll.

  58. 58
    Mike in NC says:

    Trying to picture short vulgar fingers pressing nuclear button. Very sad!

  59. 59
    Bob In Portland says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques: And Hillary should be president because she’s so cold and unfeeling?

    “We came, we saw, he died.” Times a thousand.

  60. 60
    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    Liberal Wolf Blitzer is headlining Darrell Issa…

  61. 61
    sacrablue says:

    OT: I’ve got a question for the California peeps. My son is a no party preference vote by mail guy. He didn’t know he had to request a dem NPP ballot in order to vote in the presidential primary. Can he take his mail-in ballot to the polling place and exchange it for a dem ballot on primary day?

  62. 62
    Cacti says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techinques:

    Trump sort of screwed with Clinton – Trump can’t just brush her barbs off like Obama did in 2008 and still play The Donald with his base. Same time Trump responds to Hilary he looks likes a childish twit to everyone else. And that sort of proves Clinton’s point about Trump shouldn’t be let near the presidency because he’s so senstive.

    It’s not just that Trump talks like a 69 year old adolescent. It’s that he also shows the temperament and judgment of one.

    I don’t want a nuclear exchange because a foreign leader says the POTUS has short fingers.

  63. 63
    Bob In Portland says:

    @Mike in NC: Why does Russia fear that H. Clinton will push the world into a nuclear war?

  64. 64
    Aqualad08 says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Remain in pathetic self-enforced ignorance. In your own way you are a neoliberal purity troll.

    Boob, were you crying when you wrote that? I TOTALLY imagined you crying when you wrote that….

  65. 65
    different-church-lady says:

    And just think what’s gonna happen if she goes negative on him.

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    neoliberal purity troll

    Drink three times!

  67. 67

    Will somebody just buy Bob a damn pie already so he shuts up?

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Poopyman: US infotainment. Dead pop star (light on the Big Pharma Is Pushing Opium On Patients Everywhere sauce) is always more important than responsible government or thoughtful political analysis (i.e. crucial aspect of democracy).

  69. 69
    Cacti says:

    How does Boob manage to talk with Putin’s man meat always in his mouth?

    Are there directions for it in “Listen Liberal”?

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    Aqualad08 says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Why does Russia fear that H. Clinton will push the world into a nuclear war?

    Because they would prefer walking all over Trump for the next four years as they expand their spheres of influence over eastern Europe. Shit, Bob, my eight-year-old could have told you that…

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I’m holding out for “villager”.

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    bystander says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Just heard the Toddler saying that. Now, her vote for invading Iraq makes her responsible for the debacle and exonerates half the Moanin’ Joe blabberers. Again the decision to go into Libya was her decision and her decision alone. And Libya is a mess as a result of Hillary’s decision, but if she hadn’t interfered everything would be great.

  73. 73
    different-church-lady says:

    @Cacti: IT’S A COOK BOOK!

  74. 74
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    The House of Saud gave H. Clinton a half million in jewels a couple of years ago.

    Many foreign leaders and governments give lavish gifts to US and other world leaders. It would be a diplomatic insult to refuse such gifts. Instead (as I suspect you very well know) they are graciously accepted, reported to the GSA, and quietly sold or donated.

  75. 75
    Cacti says:

    Putin is a shrimp in size 5 shoes, Trump has the hands of child.

    Seems like both are trying to compensate for something.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @bystander: The Horse Race is everything for the vermin of the Village. They don’t have a Horse Race on the GOP side anymore, but they think they have one on the Dem side, and they’re going to beat the dead horse for as long as they can.

  77. 77
    raven says:

    I just read an obit for a buddy of mine who died a week ago. This guy had honorable discharges from the Army, Air Force and Marines. His grandfather had a Liberty Ship named after him and his family disowned him because he didn’t join the Navy. Strange but true.

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    dmsilev says:

    @sacrablue: Yes, he can do that.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @rikyrah: Needs to be tweeted and placed on huge billboards.

    Get him, Clinton!!

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Bob In Portland: Hodor loves to guzzle the splooge of Vlad!

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    Bob In Portland says:

    I’ve tried three times to link to an article which lists five reasons why Russia presumes the US will go to war against them. These posts keep getting eaten up. I guess the censors don’t trust the villagers to ignore the links.

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    Bex says:

    “Do we want his (short) finger anywhere near the button?” Great bumpersticker!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @phoebes from highland park:

    I still get shivers when I remember how totally cool Obama was at that WHCD, when all the while he was well aware of what was going down and how easily it could have gone wrong (and arguably done immense damage to his entire presidency and legacy). Grace under pressure with a hey nonny nonny, our POTUS.

  84. 84
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: As Raven suggested in a thread below, we need to stop feeding the trolls like BinP. Let them rant and rave on to themselves since they have nothing new or important to say. Their anti-Clinton diatribes have grown stale and repetitious.

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    Davebo says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Do you insult your wife/girlfriend after she gives you sex?

    “gives you sex”? Lord I hope you aren’t in a relationship!

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    @raven: Sorry to hear that. Also, that’s weird.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Bob In Portland: THE INTERNET ITSELF IS TRYING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING. LISTEN TO IT.

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    Bob In Portland says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: Who taught you that sex is dirty? Your mother or your father? And are you as much of a homophobe as you keep displaying here?

    Are you in a romantic relationship with anyone? Do you talk that way to loved ones? Have you no shame?

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    raven says:

    @Patricia Kayden: People love this shit.

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    Aqualad08 says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    I’ve tried three times to link to an article which lists five reasons why Russia presumes the US will go to war against them. These posts keep getting eaten up. I guess the censors don’t trust the villagers to ignore the links.

    IT’S ALL RIGGED AGAINST YOU, BOB!!! IT’S ALL RIGGED!!!! AAAARGH!!!!!

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    Brachiator says:

    I can’t believe how feeble Trump’s response is:

    Bad performance by Crooked Hillary Clinton! Reading poorly from the telepromter! She doesn’t even look presidential!

    And mocking responses to his tweet pointed out Trump’s misspelling of “teleprompter.”

    He’s definitely rattled. I look forward to hearing his foreign policy speech in response.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Davebo: In Soviet Portland, sex insult you.

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    Bob In Portland says:

    @different-church-lady: The entire internet is telling me to shut up because we don’t want anything to interfere with our carefully taught hatred? Okay.

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    raven says:

    @Major Major Major Major: He was as friendly a person as you would ever meet but he was an awful drunk and had deep depression issues. I hate that he’s gone but living to 76 was a miracle.

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    Cacti says:

    Oh noes, I can’t spam my RIA Novosti propaganda!

    Somewhere in Oregon, an old man is swearing in Russian.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Bob In Portland:
    And yet you keep trying. Perhaps FYWP is telling you something, Boris.

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    @raven: I kind of feel like this would be a good time for redshirt to come in and talk about how we’re all going to die. It’s been a trolly afternoon, I could use some variety.

    EDIT: Erm, the thought popped into my head sans the context of your friend’s passing, I’m sorry.

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    Davebo says:

    @raven: Weird.

    Then again, my Father is 75% disabled from the Marine Corps and told me if I joined the Marines I shouldn’t bother coming home again!

    So I went Navy.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    The entire internet is telling me to shut up because we don’t want anything to interfere with our carefully taught hatred?

    YES! YOU’RE GETTING IT NOW!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Let’s turn around her quote: What explains tyrants’ affection for Hillary?

    Um, do you really want to imply that women never receive unwanted attentions from men? Because I don’t think you want to go there.

  101. 101
    Bob In Portland says:

    Well, the fourth attempt was knocked down.

    So I guess you guys are safe from another point of view. Enjoy the blood. Maybe DWS and Hillary can pile up the bodies of those people drowning in the Mediterranean on her party platform.

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    Aqualad08 says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Are you in a romantic relationship with anyone? Do you talk that way to loved ones? Have you no shame?

    You know Bob, there are less creepy ways to call someone a potty-mouth…

  103. 103
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: I love how Secretary Clinton is going for Trump’s jugular even before her primary season is over. Very smart of her to move on from Senator Sanders and go after the Bigot who thinks Americans are so dumb that they would elect him President.

    Dying to see Trump’s numerous tweets of desperation in response to her speech. I’m sure he’ll be up all night.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I know, it’s not good for them or me. Kind of like feeding bread to the ducks is actually bad for them. But it’s just so adorable when they come right up close and beg so cutely, I can’t help myself sometimes.

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Cacti:

    Somewhere in Oregon St. Petersburg, an old manpaid troll is swearing in Russian.

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    Cacti says:

    I am true progressive American, da. And I am believing that Putin is most glorious leader and savior of world.

    -Boob

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Very smart of her to move on from Senator Sanders and go after the Bigot who thinks Americans are so dumb that they would elect him President.

    This, of course, will be taken as a terrible insult to Senator Sanders in certain quarters.

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @Davebo:
    English as a second language sometimes yields odd results.

    Just like him using H. Clinton repeatedly.

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    Elie says:

    She wiped the floor with him and it will be hard for Trump to respond with just calling her names like a 9 year old school boy. She is setting the tone and the pace — throwing it down to him, so to speak. This week, the Trump opened with whining to the mean ol press about his attempt to scam Veterans from contributions he promised. And we already have heard that his campaign is disorganized and is running short on money. Haven’t heard that the big Republican money is all that interested in sending him more. And this is just the beginning — trust me. He’s gonna get it up the ass, down the throat and every which way….

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    Ramping Up says:

    Crooked Hillary’s speech was brilliantly stepped on by none other than Paul Ryan. In a genius masterstroke, he announced during her speech that he’s voting for Paul Ryan. Trump also continued his masterful use of Twitter. Meanwhile Crooked Hillary still can’t put away Crazy Bernie.

    #Twitterization
    #WinTheMorning
    #CrookedHillary

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    chopper says:

    she should have ended the speech with “now go get your fuckin’ shine box, donnie”.

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    Bob In Portland says:

    @Mnemosyne: But the House of Saud keeps giving the Clinton Foundation donations. I didn’t see anywhere in those transactions and the military deals where their attention was unwanted.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @A Ghost To Most:

    Somewhere in Oregon St. Petersburg, an old man paid troll is swearing grinning in Russian.

    Проблема?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @raven: LOL!! Perhaps it’s a way to vent since we cannot act this way in our real lives. I really don’t know but I don’t come here to argue with fellow commenters. I love this place for the astute front pagers, the jokes, the pet photos, the camaraderie and the intelligent commenters. Not going to argue with any Bernie Bros here or anywhere else. They really don’t matter in the long run.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @sacrablue:

    Check your local county clerk’s website, but he should be able to do that.

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    John says:

    @Mike in NC: Thank you! I was waiting for someone to correct Clinton’s “finger on the button” line. How much more play would it get in the press if she had just included the word “short” at the beginning?

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    guachi says:

    Man, watching the video on cspan http://www.c-span.org/video/?4.....priorities is great.

    I’ve said in the past Clinton has a shouty problem but she’s got this speech down. It’s fantastic! I’m surprised she can say some of the nonsense Dumbass Donny says with a straight face.

    After a brief intro, she laces into Trump right away, GREAT for TV news that broke to her speech at 3pm Eastern. They got the good stuff in the first 10-15 minutes.

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    chopper says:

    @Corner Stone:

    But will his tailor continue to extend his credit line since he probably hasn’t been paid in months.

    given the way those suits are cut i imagine he’s already doing the job for free.

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    Brachiator says:

    Damn, I like this part:

    I remember being in the Situation Room with President Obama, debating the potential Bin Laden operation. The President’s advisors were divided. The intelligence was compelling but far from definitive. The risks of failure were daunting. The stakes were significant for our battle against al Qaeda and our relationship with Pakistan. Most of all, the lives of those brave SEALs and helicopter pilots hung in the balance.

    It was a decision only the President could make. And when he did, it was as crisp and courageous a display of leadership as I’ve ever seen.

    Gutsy. Clinton doesn’t elevate herself. But she notes that she was “in the room where it happens.” She dares Trump to denigrate Obama.

    And no doubt the fool Trump will take the bait.

    ETA: Yeah, I made a “Hamilton” reference. You’re welcome.

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    Bob In Portland says:

    Russia refuses to take the bait: From the proxy-backed South Ossetian conflict in 2008, to the forced regime change in Kiev in 2014, and to the defense of Syria’s sovereignty in its fight against western supported terrorists, Russia has stood its ground against western-inspired machinations. In all three cases, Washington’s attempt to lure Moscow into confrontation has failed. In fact, the west has been the net loser in each of these foreign policy maneuvers – all three attempts ending in fiascos.

    Result: We should expect Washington to up the ante – direct confrontation with Russia via its NATO minions.

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    arsenal says:

    I, for one, am really enjoying this, “No, seriously you guys, I have evidence of my position, I just, uh, the internet ate it!” routine.

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    Cacti says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Check your local county clerk’s website, but he should be able to do that.

    I would think it would just be a matter of going to the local county clerk’s office and surrendering the old ballot.

  124. 124
    Bob In Portland says:

    Sanctions against Russia have failed: Western sanctions attempting to control Russian “behavior” have had the opposite impact. Step-by-step – without fanfare – Russia has retired 30% of its external debt in only two years. Import substitution has continued apace, leaving a number of European markets stagnate with relief nowhere in sight. Sanctions against the banking sector certainly have been not without pain. Though there is an upside: Russian businesses are in the process of withdrawing from the west’s toxic financial sectors. When the next bubble bursts, Russia will avoid much of the damage the U.S. will export to the global financial system.

    Result: We should expect more faux media-inspired circuses like the “Panama Papers” attempting to discredit Russian businesses and finances.

  125. 125
    sacrablue says:

    @dmsilev: Thanks!

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    Captain C says:

    @Ramping Up:

    Paul Ryan. In a genius masterstroke, he announced during her speech that he’s voting for Paul Ryan.

    That’s actually kind of funny, unintentionally, I’m sure.

  127. 127
    Bob In Portland says:

    Humiliating the Empire never goes without punishment: Washington and its allies are not used to taking the answer “no” lightly. Through hook and mostly crook the “Washington Consensus” gets its way almost all the time. When there is a dissenting voice vast resources are marshalled to silence and destroy the contrarian. Russia is the quintessential “Contrarian Power” in the Washington-centric world. Russia has and will defend itself against the NATO alliance moving to its borders, it will respond in kind to missile defence aimed at its nuclear deterrent, it will defend its sovereignty and those of others (like Syria if Moscow has the resources), it will demand equal treatment on the world’s energy markets, and it will not turn a blind eye to Washington’s addiction forcing illegal regime changes around the world.

    Result: We should expect the west to invent a crisis in one of the Baltic States. Even though many ethnic Russians face discrimination and hardship in these states, many do actually have a stable life. There is zero evidence they want this to change. But never underestimate Washington’s fear mongering!

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elie: “He’s gonna get it up the ass, down the throat and every which way….”

    Hope so. I really hope that when he’s crushed in November, he is completely and thoroughly humiliated. I mean “eyes down, shoulders stooped” humiliation. He needs to become a laughingstock who parents point to whenever they want to warn their children about being overly proud. Cannot stand him.

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    chopper says:

    @Aqualad08:

    As soon as Jane prints it out…

    lol, just perfect. “press any key? where’s the goddamn Any key??!”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ramping Up:

    Hillary’s speech was brilliantly stepped on by none other than Paul Ryan. In a genius masterstroke, he announced during her speech that he’s voting for Paul Ryan.

    Seems a little redundant, but whatevs.

    ETA: Captain C at #125 got there first. “A typo so nice, they commented twice.”

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @raven:

    Man, he was *really* trying to avoid the Navy, wasn’t he!? The only other branch he missed was the Coast Guard.

    I’m sorry for your loss — just from your brief description, he sounds like an interesting guy.

  132. 132
    Bob In Portland says:

    Those damn Russians refuse to be isolated!: It is repeated over and over again that Russia is isolated internationally. There is no evidence of this whatsoever beyond no longer being a member of the G8. The fact Russia was excluded from this group is a blessing in disguise. It is the G7 countries that account for most of the world’s woes and suffering. Come to think of it how often does Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov visit Washington? Interesting – it seems U.S. Secretary of State is constantly on a plane to Moscow to meet with Lavrov and/or Putin. Moscow has on numerous occasions proposed a solution to the Syrian quagmire; it is Washington that can’t stomach defeat there (even though defeat has been staring Washington in the face for years). Years from now history will record how the “Washington Consensus” isolated itself in a world undergoing incredible transitions.

    Result: Washington will continue its “the worse the better” approach in Syria and the Middle East and blame Russia. Russia didn’t destroy the Middle East starting a vast immigrant/refugee crisis. Europe will continue to pay a high price for its senseless and cruel meddling. Of course Russia will be blamed.

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    Elie says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Uh — I think that was someone else’s comment but sounds good …

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    Cacti says:

    Poor Boob.

    So desperate for his rubles, he’s resorted to cutting and pasting his latest script.

    Hope it keeps you in vodka for another day, comrade.

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    hovercraft says:

    Where are all those bedwetters who were wringing their hands, Hillary doesn’t know how to handle The Donald. And she called him Donald throughout the speech, which you know must be driving him nuts. He likes to be referred to as Mr. Trump.

  136. 136
    Bob In Portland says:

    Putin’s authoritarianism or western-made global rock star?: The simple fact is there is no political, social, or grassroots opposition ready to initiate a people’s uprising against the hated “Putin regime.” Widespread dissent against the current political establishment is pure western media fantasy. Putin is widely popular and respected, though there are those who openly speak out against the Russian president. There is nothing extraordinary about that. Actually, Washington and Co have given Putin a significant boost in his poll numbers. After two years of recession in Russia there is no indication the people at large blame Putin. Standing up to the west has seen Putin’s poll numbers soar. Most importantly for the majority of Russians their country has returned to the world stage as a proud power defending its own interests and international law. Putin gets the credit.

    Result: Once the west calls someone Hitler, then there is no way back. The demonization will continue. The results of such a policy have already been shown to be counter-productive and dangerous.

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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    Here’s Bob in Portland in his own words:

    I’ll admit that I’m a sucker for conspiracies

    Lest you think I’m making this up here’s the link.

    Bob, your problem is you need to eat more pancakes, try these.

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    John says:

    @Ramping Up: You understand that she has put away Bernie and moved on, right? That is why she’s making speeches like this about Trump. Just because Sanders and his followers are delusional about process doesn’t mean that anyone is taking their campaign seriously anymore. Bernie’s been in the refrigerator since he lost New York. He’s just too numb to feel the (freezer) bern.

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    JaneE says:

    And the best part was Trump’s twitter response, which looked really, really weak by comparison. What Hillary said was true, but I doubt if it would make any difference to the people who really support Trump. I think half of them are hoping he will nuke our enemies, just to prove we can.

  140. 140
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    Hillary has been tweeting “Hamilton” lines for months. She was also a fan of “In The Heights,” so she’s an OG fan of LMM.

  141. 141
    catclub says:

    What explains tyrants’ affection for Hillary?

    They expect she will be President?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: LOL!! I know but remember it’s not good for you or them. The more you feed them, the worse they become. And do you want to have to feed them all the way through November?

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    Baud says:

    I should have become a troll. I might have gotten more votes that way.

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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    @Ramping Up: Bwa ha ha, the orange marmot wearing, human colostomy bag can’t even spell teleprompter correctly. That was a scorching hot take on dog shit Donald’s part. Do all you guys have short fingers ?

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    Davebo says:

    @different-church-lady:

    I guess. I just can’t picture it!

    “Honey, I’m home! It’s time for you to give me sex now!”

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    Brachiator says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Those damn Russians refuse to be isolated!: It is repeated over and over again that Russia is isolated internationally. There is no evidence of this whatsoever beyond no longer being a member of the G8.

    Dear Bobby:

    I appreciate how you are auditioning for the Trump foreign policy team. Hope you get the position.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Mike in NC: Sounds like a country song in the making: “Small Hands on the Big Button.”

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    chopper says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Will somebody just buy Bob a damn pie already so he shuts up?

    i’m making a pie right now. then again it’s an egg pie. also i got the recipe from the CIA who totes invented HIV.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Haven’t you posted that in, like three other threads already? I remember that stupid “result” wording.

    Maybe WordPress has a module to prevent people from spamming the threads with exact same links over and over and over again.

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    Archon says:

    @Brachiator:

    One thing surprising is how feeble Trump’s attacks against Hillary have been especially when considering the fire he attacked fellow Republicans with.

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    Baud says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    He needs to become a laughingstock who parents point to whenever they want to warn their children about being overly proud.

    I love this. It’s so Brothers Grimm.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Corner Stone:
    Because when he’s not being a dictator ramming things down America’s throat, he’s an empty suit who’s not the real president. So all that went wrong is her fault, it’s her disastrous foreign policy.

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    Elie says:

    @JaneE:

    The Trump supporters are a waste of time. They are not the audience. The audience is the democrats and progressives and the indies sitting on the fence. We get our folks out — that’s the deal. Waste of time on Donnie’s true believers…

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    Skippy-san says:

    The problem is the speech will get ignored in the media storm of the Zombie Eyed Granny Starver’s surrender. Trump is a despicable piece of shit.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: For shame, Baud! You’re way too dignified and intelligent to have ever been a troll. Don’t sell yourself so short. Just run a stronger campaign in 2020.

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    slag says:

    @Brachiator:

    Damn, I like this part:

    I remember being in the Situation Room with President Obama, debating the potential Bin Laden operation. The President’s advisors were divided. The intelligence was compelling but far from definitive. The risks of failure were daunting. The stakes were significant for our battle against al Qaeda and our relationship with Pakistan. Most of all, the lives of those brave SEALs and helicopter pilots hung in the balance.

    It was a decision only the President could make. And when he did, it was as crisp and courageous a display of leadership as I’ve ever seen.

    Gutsy. Clinton doesn’t elevate herself. But she notes that she was “in the room where it happens.” She dares Trump to denigrate Obama.

    Agree. Wholeheartedly. Trump is Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. Hillary is the wascally wabbit.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Cacti:

    Here in CA, it’s usually easier to do it at the polling place, because usually only the main clerk’s office is set up to handle elections stuff. My “local” elections office is about an hour away by car.

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    Aqualad08 says:

    @Ramping Up:

    Crooked Hillary’s speech was brilliantly stepped on by none other than Paul Ryan. In a genius masterstroke, he announced during her speech that he’s voting for Paul Ryan.

    Paul Ryan is going to vote for Paul Ryan? How weird is THAT?

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    gindy51 says:

    @phoebes from highland park: and do not think for one second Trump doesn’t remember this. Double covering of marshmallows!!!

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    Baud says:

    @Patricia Kayden: You misunderstand me. I’m not saying that I’m the problem. It’s the American voter that’s messed up.

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    The Golux says:

    @bemused:

    Trump is going to have order more suits to keep up with the flopsweat.

    They better be wetsuits.

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    gwangung says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’m sure Trump (and a few Sanders diehards) will call that pandering….

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    Baud says:

    @Aqualad08: I don’t know. If I were Paul Ryan, I’d vote for someone else.

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    Elie says:

    @Archon:

    Paradoxically, I believe that the harsher language he uses on her, the stronger SHE gets.. He empowers her. The perfect box. He can’t match her on real content and makes her stronger when he belittles her. Per-fect..

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Archon: Not surprising at all: she’s Alpha-Dogging him.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @John:

    How much more play would it get in the press if she had just included the word “short” at the beginning?

    She did not have to include the word “short”. Everyone mentally added it when she mentioned his fingers.

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    Ramping Up says:

    @John:

    Rumor is Bernie is going to be protesting the Philadelphia Convention. He’s going all the way.

    @BobInPortland

    May as well give it up. Patriotic progressives like yourself were run out of the Democrat Party long ago. May as well vote Green.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @El Caganer:

    You win the thread.

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    Mike J says:

    Josh Marshall ‏@joshtpm 12 minutes ago
    Now 2 hrs & 13 mins since @realDonaldTrump’s feeble single tweet back to Hillary! Maybe it does take a woman to shut this guy up.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: True.

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    sharl says:

    @Bob In Portland:

    Test #2: Attempt to link to site I *think* BiP is trying to provide here, this time using a URL-shortener:

    http://goo.gl/ZfvhUL

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    Facebones says:

    Do we want his tiny finger anywhere near the button?

    Fixed it for her.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    OT: I’ve got a question for the California peeps. My son is a no party preference vote by mail guy. He didn’t know he had to request a dem NPP ballot in order to vote in the presidential primary. Can he take his mail-in ballot to the polling place and exchange it for a dem ballot on primary day?

    @sacrablue: Don’t know if anyone answered this. Absolutely. I will be doing the same thing myself.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Hope so. I really hope that when he’s crushed in November, he is completely and thoroughly humiliated. I mean “eyes down, shoulders stooped” humiliation. He needs to become a laughingstock who parents point to whenever they want to warn their children about being overly proud. Cannot stand him.

    “Clinton! What is best in life?”
    “To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their Twitter feed”

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    @Baud:

    I’m not saying that I’m the problem. It’s the American voter that’s messed up.

    Well, at least you have less ego than Bernie, who thinks they should be actively ignored.

    I just can’t help myself! I’m such a hateful Breitbart-of-the-left!

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    chopper says:

    @Cacti:

    So desperate for his rubles

    ironically those rubles are worthless, even though ‘sanctions against russia have failed’.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @sharl: Why are you doing this to us?

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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    @Ramping Up: Another scorching hot take from the short finger crew. Lame. You need more pancakes !

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    smith says:

    @Elie:

    He can’t match her on real content and makes her stronger when he belittles her.

    Well, it’s not like she’s ever been belittled before.

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    RaflW says:

    I hope Paul Ryan’s endorsement helps get Nancy a few steps closer to the gavel-handle. What a bunch of poltroons* over at the GOP.

    *feel free to google it. Seems like the perfect word for feckless weasels like him.

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    Baud says:

    Damn (TPM).

    South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley says racially-charged, divisive rhetoric like Donald Trump routinely uses can lead to lead to horrific mass race-killings like that of Dylann Roof. “I know what that rhetoric can do,” said Haley. “I saw it happen,” referring to the murders of 9 African-American parishioners last June at a historically black church in Charleston.

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    Corner Stone says:

    God damn you Chuckles Toad.

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    Wrb says:

    If that would have been devestating delivered by Sanders or Biden, but from the PUMA/Goldman girl… around here the response seems to be “Hillary, Trump, whasa difference?”

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    guachi says:

    Holy crap! I’m 27 minutes into the cspan.org feed of the speech. She’s still roasting him. Still keeping a straight face.

    This is close to the best speech I’ve seen her give. I’ve seen her in person do a great townhall Q&A (go to one if you have the chance). Maybe not Obama level awesom, but still great and she gets bonus points for keeping a straight face and being serious.

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    catclub says:

    At LGM they noted that after Hillary said ‘He is probably working on tweets right now’

    Trump stopped tweeting. She is inside his head.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elie: Trump must be laboring under the false belief that Secretary Clinton, like his feckless Republican opponents, will flinch under his targeted insults. He doesn’t realize that she’ll kick off her heels, take off her earrings, and then knock him the hell out. She’s a fighter and has deflected Republican mudslinging for decades. This ain’t her first rodeo.

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    Ramping Up says:

    @BobinPortland,

    Keep in mind: Trump wants a new, constructive relationship with Russia for a more stable world. Hillary is he one saber rattling against Putin.

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    sharl says:

    @sharl: BiP, while I cannot provide proof to refute your suspicion that the Blog Illuminati is out to get you, sometimes shit happens with blog hosting software. There is a reason why the FYWP curse is so popular here.

    By the way, that link I provided originates from here, and is authored by Peter Lavelle, “anchor of RT political debate program CrossTalk.” So there you go.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @catclub: Holy shit, she actually IS Bugs Bunny!

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    El Caganer says:

    @Davebo: “Make me a sex…er, sammich..uh, whatever…..”

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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    @Ramping Up: Try these. You can make them small so you can pick them up with your short fingers.

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    sacrablue says:

    @Mnemosyne: The website says he needed to submit a new vote by mail ballot application by May 31. If true, this is going to piss off a large number of Bernie bros that probably aren’t registered democrats.

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    Archon says:

    @Baud:

    Looks like Nikki Haley is trying to get in pole position as leader of the post-Trump GOP.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @catclub: Ha! Love it.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Hillary has been tweeting “Hamilton” lines for months. She was also a fan of “In The Heights,” so she’s an OG fan of LMM.

    Yeh, I’ve read where LMM talks about some of the political folk who’ve seen the play.

    Haven’t heard anything about Trump having seen it. Is he a musical kind of guy, I wonder.

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    Baud says:

    @Archon: Yep. Assuming there is a post-Trump GOP.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Elie:
    Yeah a bad week for him. The primary was a walk in the park for him. This general election thing is not proving as easy, he gets challenged for contradicting himself no matter how fast he spews his shit. Not fair.

  198. 198
    sharl says:

    @sharl: Note too that if the Hitlery Blog Illuminati Team is behind the link-killing here, they really suck at their jobs, since that direct link to the RT propaganda dude’s piece works just fine.

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    JaneE says:

    @sacrablue: If Bernie wins 50% + 1 vote, the media will spin it as a loss for Hillary. CA is proportional, so unless HC can’t poll 15% of the vote she will still pick up delegates. It takes over .6 percent overall to round up to the next delegate, but they do it by type of delegate and district so the actual percent may vary. 400+ pledged delegates, even if Bernie wins big, which I doubt, he probably won’t gain enough to offset the superdelegates for CA. Jerry Brown is a superdelegate by virtue of his office, and he has already endorsed Clinton.

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    RaflW says:

    Speaker Ryan, in what can only be seen as a delicious lack of awareness of words:

    The Wisconsin Republican tells The Associated Press in an exclusive interview that his goal is to “make sure we are unified before the fall.”

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Baud: Then why did she endorse Trump? So many people in the GOP are totally spineless. Rubio went from attacking Trump to giving Trump blow-jobs.

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    hovercraft says:

    @Ramping Up:
    Well so far on the TV machine they are doing a couple of minutes on Ryan, then doing a whole segment on the speech. So stepped on, not so much.
    Thank you and good day so.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Ramping Up: Awwrightie, so you two can get a room now?

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    The Moar You Know says:

    The website says he needed to submit a new vote by mail ballot application by May 31. If true, this is going to piss off a large number of Bernie bros that probably aren’t registered democrats.

    @sacrablue: True, if you’re a “by mail” voter. ALSO, IT SAYS SO ON HUGE LETTERS ON YOUR BALLOT LIKE THIS. So they really have no excuse. If you’re a “by mail” voter, and want to vote in the Dem primary, and you didn’t change registration by May 31, all you have to do is go to your closest local polling place and ask for a Dem ballot. They will give you one. Fill out and return. Takes five minutes. IT ALSO SAYS THIS ON YOUR BALLOT AS WELL. Frankly, if someone can’t follow directions this obvious I don’t want them voting.

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    Baud says:

    @lollipopguild: I didn’t know she had done that. Definitely odd.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @dmsilev:

    “To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their Twitter feed”

    Hahahahahahaha! Yes!! The lamentations of Trump’s twitter feed will join the delicious teardrops of his supporters in November. So looking forward to all that.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: And he can make a short stack if he wants.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Facebones:

    Do we want his tiny finger anywhere near the button?

    Fixed it for her.

    Oh, shit, Trump’s tiny little fingers can’t reach the button!

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    Mike E says:

    Did somebody kick over the spam bucket?

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    Baud says:

    @The Moar You Know: I missed early voting by a day because I misremembered when the last day was. I, of course, blamed the rigged system for the inconvenience of having to vote on election day.

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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    @El Caganer: Nice.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Brachiator:
    Ve vill make button to reach him!

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    germy says:

    I was poking around the c-span youtube channel and found:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfvYv8MtWWk
    Mitch McConnell from 1986. 1986!

    Look how young he looks. These people sure have some long-ass careers.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Meanwhile, in a clean, well-lighted place, a “moderate” Republican quietly watches Clinton’s speech on TV and orders another drink, his face wet with tears.

  215. 215

    She was FAN.TAST.IC! Don the Con (thanks Armando) is going to be up all night twittering. He won’t get a minute of sleep.

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    Baud says:

    Charles Pierce thinks Hillary didn’t do enough to heighten the difference between Trump and her.

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    germy says:

    and Senator Cotton (Bates Motel) comparing Senator Reid to “cancer”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF6igWnkMQA

    How civil of him

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Patricia Kayden: When you see me take my heels off, it’s not good. When you see me take my earrings off, you’d best head for the door. If you see me get out the vaseline for my face and hands, you better run.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @The Moar You Know: The wife got a NPP sample ballot(not sure why, she’s been a Dem since 1991); I just told her that all she has to do is ask for a Dem ballot at the polling place(neither of us vote via mail).

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I missed early voting by a day because I misremembered when the last day was. I, of course, blamed the rigged system for the inconvenience of having to vote on election day.

    @Baud: The oppression inherent in the system is staggering, is it not? The Dems have done everything save for go to every home in the state of California and hand people ballots and voter guides urging said voters to vote for their opponents.

    I want CA to go back to a closed primary as soon as possible. The GOP never had to open theirs, I’d like us to at least return the favor.

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    germy says:

    @Brachiator:

    Oh, shit, Trump’s tiny little fingers can’t reach the button!

    Can’t find the button.
    Leaves the launch codes frustrated and unsatisfied. Tells the launch codes “here honey, here’s my goldcard, go buy yourself something pretty.”

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    sharl says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Why are you doing this to us?

    Sorry, but the mysteries of FYWP are sometimes irresistible to me, and I must pursue them even if innocent people get in the way. Feeding my curiosity is worth the sacrifice (of others). I’m no hero, just a remote drone pilot in the comment section.

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    Uncle Ebeneezer says:

    Apparently, the electoral map wasn’t the only lesson Hillary learned in 2008. Twitter has it’s uses, and this is absolutely one of them. Press and public love soundbites…hear ya go…already written and under 140 characters.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    I will try to limit my visits to the duck troll pond to no more than once a week.

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    germy says:

    @sharl: In all great causes some innocent heads must roll.

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    Baud says:

    @The Moar You Know: You only need to go to Clinton’s website to see the blatant bias her campaign has toward her winning the nomination.

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    Alex.S says:

    (In an interview during Mrs. Clinton’s speech, Mr. Trump called her performance “terrible” and “pathetic.” He added: “I’m not thin-skinned at all. I’m the opposite of thin-skinned.”)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06.....trump.html

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    hovercraft says:

    @Baud:
    Oh for fucks sake.

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    Baud says:

    @Alex.S: Hahaha. That actually happened.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    The wife got a NPP sample ballot(not sure why, she’s been a Dem since 1991); I just told her that all she has to do is ask for a Dem ballot at the polling place(neither of us vote via mail).

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That’s all you gotta do. I AM registered NPP for reasons having nothing to do with how I vote, but that’s all I’ve ever had to do in a primary, and if we go back to closed primaries I’d simply switch before the election and then switch back, as I used to do. CA bends over backwards to make this as easy as possible.

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    bemused says:

    @The Golux:

    Yes because the dry cleaning bills for custom made suits will be yooge.

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    GOS has a supercut of Hillary ripping Trump a new one from the speech.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Moar beat me to it but, yes, Sacrablue’s son now has to do the trade-in thing on Election Day. This is what he gets for not being a registered Democrat. ;-)

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    germy says:

    What on earth are the Clinton/Trump debates going to be like? Will they hold them in a boxing ring, with two handheld cameras circling the action? Will Clinton remove her shoes and earrings before climbing into the ring? Will there be eye-gouging?

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    Baud says:

    @germy: No, because Trump will find an excuse not to debate her.

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    Mike J says:

    Eat, Drink & Be Mary ‏@MWJ1231 2h2 hours ago
    Eat, Drink & Be Mary Retweeted Aphrodite
    .@BernieSanders says her speech was presumptuous but Mr. 2nd place wanted to debate Trump. Now that’s presumptuous.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    You only need to go to Clinton’s website to see the blatant bias her campaign has toward her winning the nomination.

    @Baud: She obviously hates democracy. Doesn’t she understand the appropriate thing to do is to endorse Trump and Sanders, while promising to stay in the kitchen and bake cookies for her husband and son-in-law?

    Some people can’t be reasoned with.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Alex.S: It’s like Fredo Corleone protesting that he is too smart.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Glad to be forewarned!

    @Baud: Interesting. I’ll need to read what Charlie means by that because there are stark differences between Trump and Clinton, with or without any speeches.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Baud:

    Charles Pierce thinks Hillary didn’t do enough to heighten the difference between Trump and her.

    Ah, I see, he notes his main problem with the speech.

    But the speech doesn’t do anything to assuage the concerns of people who wonder if she might be a tad too hawkish herself.

    Lemme be blunt. This is stupid. If Trump were a unicorn loving pacifist, he would still be an ignoramus. Clinton focusing on Trump’s total, complete, absolute, lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, and his tendency to shoot of his thin-skinned mouth, is exactly what should be emphasized here.

    Trump the rube might make a huge mistake. And he might listen to the wrong people, or panic, or be too easily swayed. I don’t have the slightest particle of faith in his ability to develop or execute foreign policy. I wouldn’t give two shits whether he is a hawk or a dove.

    And I believe that Trump has been getting official briefings. You would think that he would be trying to master foreign policy. But what has come out of his mouth so far are imbecilic ramblings.

    There will be plenty of time for Clinton to lay out her foreign policy vision. But right here, right now, she is exactly on message.

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    Corner Stone says:

    Am I allowed to comment “Rawr” on Kasie Hunt’s violent guns she’s currently sporting? Because, rawr.

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    Baud says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Stand by your man, give him two arms to cling to
    And something warm to come to
    When nights are cold and lonely.
    Stand by your man, and show the world you love him
    Keep giving all the love you can.
    Stand by your man.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Bernie Sanders says her speech was presumptuous

    @Mike J: Bernie’s issues with women are rapidly becoming as obvious as Trump’s.

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    The Golux says:

    @germy:

    Mitch McConnell from 1986. 1986!

    Look how young he looks.

    The most amazing thing to me is how much of a drawl he’s acquired since then.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @El Caganer:

    Or a Don Ho song:

    Tiny fingers (tiny fingers)
    On the switch (on the switch)
    I am very (very, very)
    Very rich (very rich).

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    Elie says:

    The thing that I loved about her speech is that she was completely sang froid. She served up ol Donnie cold as ice and without breaking a sweat. I know he will have a response… some sort of trash he digs up with that little bugger finger of his… I personally think its gonna be hard for him. Everyone already expects his trash talk — ho hum — but he aint got no there there… no substance… She lit him up right nice….

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    Corner Stone says:

    @dmsilev: “I’m smart!”

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    If you see me get out the vaseline for my face and hands, you better run.

    I understand that this may be a genre of adult entertainment that one can find on the Internet…

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Things we already know about the general election: Trump will not release his tax returns and there won’t be any debates between HRC, Trump and the others(if they make the 15% cutoff).

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    dmsilev says:

    @Mike J: Where did Sanders say that? I scanned his campaign’s Twitter feed and didn’t see any mention of Clinton’s speech (or any mention of her at all, going back to last night).

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    ChrisGrrr says:

    Ignore trolls. Don’t read their posts, don’t write a word specifically to them or about them.
    This makes internet life much more enjoyable.

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    debbie says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    This pretty much sums up what he said:

    I’m glad that her style is sharpening, and that she’s becoming better at spotting fat pitches coming right down Broadway. But the speech doesn’t do anything to assuage the concerns of people who wonder if she might be a tad too hawkish herself.

    I think Pierce makes a valid point.

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    sacrablue says:

    @The Moar You Know: Thanks for your big ass attitude. I’ll be sure to remind my son that he is a fucking illiterate idiot. Thanks again for your kind advice.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    It’s the maddest, merriest day of all the glad New Year, for it’s the day when the trolls start trolling each other.

    It only comes around once in a blue moon, so enjoy it while you can.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Brachiator:

    And I believe that Trump has been getting official briefings.

    He won’t be getting intelligence briefings until he’s the official nominee(after the convention).

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @germy: They should be quite fascinating since Trump has no political experience from which he can draw and can only gish gallop about how great he is in his own eyes. Clinton, on the other hand, can draw from her extensive life experiences as an attorney, First Lady of Arkansas, FLOTUS, Senator and Secretary of State.

    Any debates between the two will allow Secretary Clinton to draw a stark contrast between her qualifications and Trump’s ego. I normally skip debates, but will definitely watch them this year. They should be fun this time around.

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    germy says:

    @The Golux: It just amazes me how they go to washington and then dig in for thirty, forty years. Lifers.
    What must they think of people like Cruz and Rubio and Cotton? “I’ve been standing here since before you were out of diapers. That includes you, Vitter.”

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Oh gods. What did he do or say now?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @debbie:

    But the speech doesn’t do anything to assuage the concerns of people who wonder if she might be a tad too hawkish herself.

    I think Pierce makes a valid point.

    This speech was not about that. Not even in the same ballpark as that. CP is Brooksian on this specific analysis.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Mike J: What, Bernie has a problem with Clinton softening Trump up for him in the general?

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    debbie says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I come from the time of “Woman, Roar” myself. I’ve always wondered what kind of sparks would fly if i put a few of the female posters here in a room around a small table. I’ve just set a chair for you at that table.

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    @debbie:

    But the speech doesn’t do anything to assuage the concerns of people who wonder if she might be a tad too hawkish herself.

    I think Pierce makes a valid point.

    I would disagree. A good speech is about as few things as possible. This speech was about Donald Trump.

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @The Golux:

    McConnell got his early electoral chops as the county executive for Jefferson County (which contained the city of Louisville and about 70% of the population of the Louisville metro area at that time). It was a pretty chunky job, even though Louisville didn’t require much from the county, and he was a competent administrator. He didn’t sound like a Hilljack then. That current accent is really affected.

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    debbie says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I’ve been at my nephew’s high school graduation all day, so I’ll have to find the transcript. Brooksian seems kind of mean, no?

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    The Golux says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    He won’t be getting intelligence briefings until he’s the official nominee(after the convention).

    What are the odds that he’ll spill some classified information to the press? I’d say the likelihood exceeds 100%.

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    Gian says:

    @Keith G:

    Politics + Axe Handle = Lester Maddox to me.

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    cckids says:

    @Elie:

    Everyone already expects his trash talk — ho hum — but he aint got no there there… no substance

    Yep. Bitching about her using the teleprompter? Criticizing her “performance”, as though it’s reality TV? So lame.

    ETA: SAD.

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    JaneE says:

    @Elie: Half the problem is the lack of Democratic turnout and high Republican turnout. I just hope that some of the Republicans who have fallen in line with Trump, will be scared enough to not vote. The folks around here didn’t like Donald, but they would vote for him over Hillary, and have said so many times.

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    debbie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    The few small bits I heard were directed “at” Trump but I had heard that this speech was supposed to be about foreign policy.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @The Golux: As Adam has indicated the intelligence community will take that(and the associations of some of his top aids) and “craft” his briefings in light of that. IOW, they ain’t tellin’ him much.

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    Elie says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Pierce is a great guy but I observe him to be a worry wart and pearl clutcher. I was initially surprised by that but have had to accept it after reading the same kind of criticism from him over and over. Kevin Drum also. Good guys but Hillary jes can’t do enough and everything is always not quite there yet…. Oh well…

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Brachiator:

    Haven’t heard anything about Trump having seen it.

    Ha! I guarantee Trump has spent more time at WWE than Broadway, and he may fucking own a building on Broadway.

    Trump is the guy who only goes to Yankee games on giveaway days so he has something to throw on the field when they lose. Trump’s idea of culture is gold-plating the mudflap girl.

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    Applejinx says:

    In fairness, the ‘p’ key is ALL the way on the top of the keyboard, plus it’s way over to the right where the backspace is.

    Stands to reason Donald’s fingers can’t… quite… reach it…

    :D

    Strange times we have when the liberals are panting for a curb stomping, but as the fellow in Young Frankenstein says, “A riot is a terrible thing. Und I think it is about time we had one!”. If it’s gotta be civil war so be it. Hopefully it doesn’t turn out all the same in the end, but rolling over for Trump is not a thing that is going to happen.

    I’ve been a busy little Applejinx: dunno if you folk have ever heard house music, but I have more or less successfully crossed it with the prog/psychedelic that I love. Here’s what I do when not over-panicked by politics: https://soundcloud.com/applejinx/regardless

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:
    @hovercraft:

    I mostly loves me some CPP, but every now and then he just goes dense. Charlie, my love, we still have five months and many speeches to go until the election. Why do you think (and why would you want) HRC to lay everything out in a speech in early June?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @debbie:

    There’s so much “Hamilton” news these days that in can’t keep up! I’m not surprised he’s saying he’s going to stay out of the election right now, but I suspect he’ll get pulled in further down the line. His dad is one of the big political consultants in New York.

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    Elie says:

    @JaneE:

    The numbers just aren’t there but I never want to take anything for granted, of course. Trump is not going to pick up enough of the white vote that Romney didn’t get and almost zero of the latinos, black and Asian popoulations. Its like Bernie and explaining arithmetic. When you do the estimated counts, the numbers do not add up… Still, GOTV my people and I plan to work that down to the nubs..

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @debbie: Thanks! I always assumed most rowdy people know that a little grease – lotion will do in a pinch! – helps keep any landed blows from leaving marks. They’ll tend to end up more “glancing” and slipped than solidly landed.

    Oh no, I’ve said too much…

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    @Applejinx: I’m sure somebody here’s heard house music before :P

    Not my cuppa, but cool! Thanks for sharing!

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    smith says:

    Speaking of the olde days with McConnell, TPM has an interesting bit about his convoluted thought process — seems the Turtle voted for LBJ back in the day because he was aghast at Goldwater’s stand on civil rights. According to Yertle, it’s Goldwater’s fault the Repubs lost the AA vote, cause I guess nothing they’ve done since then could explain it.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: What did Don Ho ever do to you?

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Applejinx:

    Strange times we have when the liberals are panting for a curb stomping

    Why would that be strange? I’ve been a liberal since the 70’s and I’ve always loved curb stomping Republicans.

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    hovercraft says:

    When the likes of Joni Ernst has to go around apologizing for you it’s a bad day.

    Three Republican senators are reassuring U.S. allies in Asia and looking to mitigate the damage they believe Donald Trump is doing to important trans-Pacific relationships, further evidence that when it comes to the GOP’s presumptive nominee and America’s most critical allies, politics no longer end, so to speak, at the water’s edge.
    Just as pressure is mounting on Republican elected officials to fall in line behind Trump, Sens. Joni Ernst of Iowa, Cory Gardner of Colorado and Dan Sullivan of Alaska are in South Korea undercutting Trump’s bluster with assurances that the U.S. is not about to renege on trade agreements or demand its allies pay more to support American forces on Korean soil.
    Story Continued Below

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/.....z4ASqNGJop
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    debbie says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I did not know that. I’ll have to pack some lotion for the several family functions I’ve got coming up. Thanks!

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    Elie says:

    @debbie:

    I’m not sure anyway how she could easily reassure those who think she is hawkish in one speech. She is gonna be commander and chief and she will have at her disposal the full scope of the power the office gives her. Would she unilaterally disarm herself and her country by announcing some a priori “I’ll never do such and such…?” I think she spoke very effectively about the dangers of nuclear war and overly aggressive stances on the part of a US president. Doesn’t that say enough at this stage? I think CP’s comment was stupid for him.

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    @Baud:
    If he does, it will be the biggest mistake he ever made. Conservatives didn’t care two rat farts about Aqua Buddha, but when it scared Rand Paul and he canceled a debate, his numbers cratered until he rescheduled. Not debating Hillary will be taken as cowardice, maybe even more because they hate and disrespect her so much.

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    Mike E says:

    @Corner Stone: yep, just a piece in a campaign that has weeks/months to run before reaching the finish line…perhaps Charlie has blue balls from all the previous candidates’ missed opportunities to fuck Trump, who knows

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    chopper says:

    yeah, trump got schlonged all right.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @lollipopguild:

    Never did anything either to me or for me.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Patricia Kayden: The last thing The Donald wants to do is debate her.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Applejinx: Footsteps! Crowd==Huh? FOOTSTEPS! FOOTSTEPS!

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    hovercraft says:

    Randy Mook is playing hardball, they sent up a follow-up memo on all her hits on Trump, so he can’t weasel away.

    Trump Literally Said All Those Things

    Hillary Clinton just delivered a major national security address in which, among other things, she took aim at a wide-ranging catalogue of dangerous comments that Donald Trump has made. Some of the comments she referenced are so ignorant, incoherent or outrageous, it could be hard to believe they actually came out of the mouth of the GOP’s presidential nominee.

    But they literally did. All of them. See for yourself — check out the lines from Clinton’s speech, and the Trump quotes behind them:

    This is a man who said that more countries should have nuclear weapons, including Saudi Arabia.

    ANDERSON COOPER: Saudi Arabia, nuclear weapons?

    TRUMP: Saudi Arabia, absolutely.

    This is someone who has threatened to abandon our allies in NATO – the countries that work with us to root out terrorists abroad before the strike us at home.

    TRUMP: “We don’t really need NATO in its current form. NATO is obsolete… if we have to walk, we walk.”

    He believes we can treat the U.S. economy like one of his casinos and default on our debts to the rest of the world, which would cause an economic catastrophe far worse than anything we experienced in 2008.

    TRUMP: “I’ve borrowed knowing that you can pay back with discounts… I would borrow knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal.”

    He has said that he would order our military to carry out torture…

    TRUMP: “Don’t tell me it doesn’t work — torture works… Waterboarding is fine, but it’s not nearly tough enough, ok?”

    and the murder of civilians who are related to suspected terrorists…

    TRUMP: “The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families”

    even though those are war crimes.

    TRUMP: “They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me, If I say do it, they’re going to do it.”

    He says he doesn’t have to listen to our generals or ambassadors, because he has – quote – “a very good brain.”

    TRUMP: “I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things…my primary consultant is myself”

    He also said, “I know more about ISIS than the generals, believe me.”

    TRUMP: “I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.”

    You know what? I don’t believe him.

    TRUMP: “We don’t even really know who the leader [of ISIS] is.”

    He believes climate change is a hoax invented by the Chinese…

    TRUMP: “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

    and has the gall to say prisoners of war like John McCain aren’t heroes.

    TRUMP: “He’s not a war hero. He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people who weren’t captured, ok? I hate to tell you.”

    He praises dictators like Vladimir Putin…

    TRUMP: “I will tell you, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an ‘A,’ and our president is not doing so well.”

    and picks fights with our friends – including the British prime minister…

    TRUMP: “It looks like we are not going to have a very good relationship. Who knows?”

    the mayor of London…

    TRUMP: “Let’s take an I.Q. test… I think they’re very rude statements and frankly, tell him, I will remember those statements.”

    the German chancellor…

    TRUMP: “What Merkel has done is incredible, it’s actually mind boggling. Everyone thought she was a really great leader and now she’s turned out to be this catastrophic leader. And she’ll be out if they don’t have a revolution.”

    the president of Mexico…

    TRUMP: “I don’t know about the Hitler comparison [President Nieto made]. I hadn’t heard that, but it’s a terrible comparison. I’m not happy about that certainly. I don’t want that comparison, but we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant”

    and the Pope.

    TRUMP: “I don’t think [the Pope] understands the danger of the open border that we have with Mexico. I think Mexico got him to [criticize the wall] it because they want to keep the border just the way it is. They’re making a fortune, and we’re losing.”

    He says he has foreign policy experience because he ran the Miss Universe pageant in Russia.

    TRUMP: “I know Russia well. I had a major event in Russia two or three years ago, Miss Universe contest, which was a big, big, incredible event.”

    And to top it off, he believes America is weak. An embarrassment.

    TRUMP: “I think we’ve become very weak and ineffective.”

    He called our military a disaster.

    TRUMP: “Our military is a disaster.”

    He said we’re – quote – a “third-world country.”

    TRUMP: “We have become a third world country, folks.”

    That’s why it’s no small thing when he talks about leaving NATO or says he’ll stay neutral on Israel’s security.

    TRUMP: “Let me be sort of a neutral guy.”

    It’s no small thing when he calls Mexican immigrants rapists and murderers.

    TRUMP: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

    And it’s no small thing when he suggests that America should withdraw our military support for Japan, encourage them to get nuclear weapons…

    TRUMP: “And frankly, the case could be made, that let them protect themselves against North Korea. They’d probably wipe them out pretty quick.”

    and said this about a war between Japan and North Korea – and I quote – “If they do, they do. Good luck, enjoy yourself, folks.”

    TRUMP: “And if they fight, you know what, that would be a terrible thing, terrible. Good luck folks, enjoy yourself…if they do, they do”

    Donald Trump doesn’t know the first thing about Iran or its nuclear program. Ask him. It’ll become clear very quickly.

    TRUMP: “When those restrictions expire, Iran will have an industrial-size military nuclear capability ready to go.” (Politifact: False.)

    There’s no risk of people losing their lives if you blow up a golf-course deal. But it doesn’t work like that in world affairs. Just like being interviewed on the same episode of “60 Minutes” as Putin is not the same as actually dealing with Putin.

    TRUMP: “I got to know him very well, because we were both on 60 minutes, we were stablemates and we did very well that night. You know that.”

    He wants to start a trade war with China.

    TRUMP: “These dummies say, ‘Oh, that’s a trade war. Trade war? We’re losing $500 billion in trade with China. Who the hell cares if there’s a trade war?”

    And I have to say, I don’t understand Donald’s bizarre fascination with dictators and strongmen who have no love for America. He praised China for the Tiananmen Square massacre; he said it showed strength.

    TRUMP: “When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength.”

    He said, “You’ve got to give Kim Jong Un credit” for taking over North Korea – something he did by murdering everyone he saw as a threat, including his own uncle, which Donald described gleefully, like he was recapping an action movie.

    TRUMP: “And you’ve got to give him credit. How many young guys — he was like 26 or 25 when his father died — take over these tough generals…. It’s incredible. He wiped out the uncle. He wiped out this one, that one. I mean, this guy doesn’t play games.”

    And he said that, if he were grading Vladimir Putin as a leader, he’d give him an A.

    TRUMP: “I will tell you, in terms of leadership, he’s getting an ‘A,’

    What’s Trump’s [ISIS plan]? He won’t say. He is literally keeping it a secret. The secret, of course, is he has no idea what he’d do to stop ISIS.

    TRUMP: “I do know what to do and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table or beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly and I’m not going to tell you what is… All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning.”

    Just look at the few things he actually has said on the subject. He actually said – quote – “maybe Syria should be a free zone for ISIS.” That’s right – let a terrorist group have control of a major country in the Middle East.

    TRUMP: It’s really rather amazing, maybe Syria should be a free zone for ISIS, let them fight and then you pick up the remnants.

    Then he said we should send tens of thousands of American ground troops to the Middle East to fight ISIS.

    TRUMP: “We really have no choice. We have to knock out ISIS. We have to knock the hell out of them… I would listen to the generals but I’m hearing numbers of 20,000 to 30,000. We have to knock them out fast.”

    He also refused to rule out using nuclear weapons against ISIS, which would mean mass civilian casualties.

    TRUMP: “I’m never going to rule anything out—I wouldn’t want to say [if I’d use nuclear weapons against ISIS.]”

    Trump says over and over again, “The world is laughing at us.” He’s been saying this for decades.

    TRUMP (1999): “[Saudi Arabians] take such advantage of us with the oil… and they laugh at this country.

    TRUMP (2010): “I know many of the people in China, I know many of the big business people, and they’re laughing at us.”

    TRUMP (2011): “We have become a laughingstock, the world’s whipping boy”

    TRUMP (2012): “The world is laughing at us.”

    TRUMP (2013): “After Syria, our enemies are laughing!”

    TRUMP (2014): “Mexican leadership has been laughing at us for many years”

    TRUMP (2015): “The Persians are great negotiators. They are laughing at the stupidity of the deal we’re making”

    TRUMP (2016): “We can’t afford to be so nice and so foolish anymore. Our country is in trouble. ISIS is laughing at us.”

    He bought full-page ads in newspapers across the country back in 1987, when Reagan was President, saying that America lacked a backbone and the world was – you guessed it – laughing at us.

    TRUMP (1987): “The world is laughing at America’s politicians as we protect ships we don’t own, carrying oil we don’t need, destined for allies who won’t help… “Let’s not let our great country be laughed at anymore.”

    And it matters when he makes fun of disabled people…

    TRUMP: “Now the poor guy — you oughta see this guy [imitating disabled reporter] ‘aaah, I don’t know what I said, aaah, I don’t remember.’”

    calls women pigs…

    TRUMP: “Does everybody know that pig named Rosie O’Donnell? She’s a disgusting pig, right?”

    proposes banning an entire religion from our country…

    TRUMP: “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

    or plays coy with white supremacists.

    TRUMP: “I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So I don’t know. I don’t know — did he endorse me, or what’s going on? Because I know nothing about David Duke; I know nothing about white supremacists.”

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    Randy P says:

    @The Golux: The question is when, not if. My money is on “the first press conference after the briefing”

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    Brachiator says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    He won’t be getting intelligence briefings until he’s the official nominee(after the convention).

    Thanks for the clarification. Trump’s got lots of studying to do.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @chopper: He got queened!

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    Elie says:

    @debbie:

    No no no — can’t be lotion. Has to be grease that doesn’t rub in — like Vaseline. The slippery surface makes the blows more glancing (PS – I know about those family functions) :-)

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    Troublesome Carp fka Geeno says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Vaseline also slows bleeding from cuts in bare knuckle fighting so you don’t get blinded by a cut eyebrow.

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    @El Caganer:

    Drumpf voters after November: “What Was I Thinking?”

    or

    “I’ll Never Smoke Meth With the GOP Again”

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    hovercraft says:

    @Brachiator:
    The extent of the briefing will be at the current president’s discretion. So it likely to be very brief and barley scratch the surface.

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    The Lodger says:

    @Tilda Swinton’s Bald Cap: Are you referring to Donald Trum?

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    debbie says:

    @Elie:

    All through art school, I stuck to water-based media, so I’ve got a long-standing aversion to greasy stuff like vaseline on my hands. Maybe I’ll just go with soap in a sock.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @sacrablue:

    When do we get to hear Bernie’s big foreign policy speech?

    Didn’t he give it on Univision last week?

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    Avalie says:

    Was lucky enough to see this speech in person here in San Diego. She did a masterful job of laying out the contrast between Trump and her own competence and experience in foreign policy.

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    Elie says:

    @debbie:

    LOL — well you will definitely be clean?

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @germy:

    What on earth are the Clinton/Trump debates going to be like?

    Embarrassing, mostly. Not only due to Trump’s performance, but that the most powerful nation on earth has descended to this.

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    El Caganer says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I like

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    JWR says:

    Slightly OT, but can anybody point me to a site that tells me not just the delegate count so far, but who actually won each states primary or caucus?

    Just trying to find out where Bernie “we’re going to march into the Dem convention and march out with the Dem nomination” Sanders got the number of primaries he claims to have won. (20, IIRC.) Thx.

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    Elie says:

    @debbie:

    Anyway, the Vaseline would be put on your face — not really your hands. Boxers use it on their face to make the blows more likely to glance off… You would either wrap your hands or put on boxing gloves.. My understanding anyway from watching boxing matches…

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    The Lodger says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Is that Don Ho channeling Don the Ho?

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    Feebog says:

    telepromter

    Donald Trump, fingers so short they can’t reach the “p” on a keyboard.

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    Shell says:

    It was cherce!

    Of course, all th e pundits were “Yes, but…”

    Yes, but the polls out of California!
    Yes, but it really wasn’t a foreign policy speech. And even if it was, American voters don’t really care about foreign policy.
    Yes, but she still has Sanders to deal with!

    Jesus.

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    debbie says:

    @Elie:

    That does make more sense. Stupid me. All I really know about fighting is running faster than the guy trying to catch me.

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    Elie says:

    @JWR:

    Man, its so over. Wikipedia might have the complete list. Hillary put Bernie into permanent second place with her performance today. Nobody is gonna vote for old crabby pants and if he doesn’t shut up soon, aint no democrats gonna pay off his debts or see him in any of their caucuses. Not sure what happened but he is in a very strange and unhappy place and digging the hole deeper.

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    Elie says:

    @debbie:

    All I really know about fighting is running faster than the guy trying to catch me.

    I hear THAT —

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Avalie:

    Very lucky you! Could you say more about the event?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @The Lodger:

    I was trying to do some kind of Don/Donald wordplay but didn’t get far at all. “Don the Ho” might work.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Elie: Pierce may not be completely over his Berning fever yet.

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    El Caganer says:

    @hovercraft: I thought it was Obama’s job to apologize to foreign countries?

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    burnspbesq says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    “Tiny fingers …”

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    Tilda Swinton's Bald Cap says:

    @The Lodger: Of course.

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    Avalie says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    It was relatively small, invitation-only crowd–no idea how I got on the guest list. She was definitely targeting the military-veteran presence here in San Diego and using that to point out how those of us with connections to the military would risk the most under a Trump presidency. She had the crowd eating out of her hand and got several standing ovations. Despite hammering Trump, she put forth a positive philosophy and optimism that had us all fired up and enthused at the close of the speech. I took my daughter and my niece with me (both 17)–it was great to see the diverse, multigenerational support for Hillary in San Diego

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    Shell says:

    Tiny Fingers….Isnt he a character in Game Of Thrones?

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    Elie says:

    @Avalie:

    VERY cool! Thanks for the report….

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Elie: What’s worse (for Drumpf) is he doesn’t even realize he’s doing it, because he’s so busy preening.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Brachiator:

    Clinton focusing on Trump’s total, complete, absolute, lack of knowledge of foreign affairs, and his tendency to shoot of his thin-skinned mouth, is exactly what should be emphasized here…
    There will be plenty of time for Clinton to lay out her foreign policy vision. But right here, right now, she is exactly on message

    Exactly. How the “deep bench” didn’t point out that Trump kept saying he’d ‘hire the best people’ in every circumstance…but doesn’t even know enough to discern who the ‘best people’, ‘best policies’, or ‘his head from his a$$’ are…I’ll never understand. Good on Clinton for pointing out the obvious: The Emperor Has No Brain, and Only 1 Layer of Skin.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @JWR:

    Slightly OT, but can anybody point me to a site that tells me not just the delegate count so far, but who actually won each states primary or caucus?

    There’s no such thing as winning a state’s primary or caucus. It’s not like the Senate, where every state gets the same two. It’s not even like the electoral college. It’s a meaningless metric. It’s also ambiguous. Do you mean who had the higher popular vote? Doesn’t even exist in the caucus states. Do you mean who came out with more pledged delegates? Just look at the 538 infographic on who’s on track to get a majority of pledged delegates – it gives you the number of delegates per state, which in some instances is a tie.

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    JWR says:

    @JWR: Thanks for all the responses, and I finally found a transcript from Sanders’ appearance on CBS this past weekend, where he accurately notes that he’s won 20 “states”, but I saw a clip of another recent speech before one of his adoring, if delusional throngs, and he tells them that he’s won 20 “primaries”, which is a complete lie. (And yes, I know why he said it one way on CBS, and another way before his supporters. ;-) )

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    JWR says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    It’s a meaningless metric.

    That’s what I finally realized. (Sanders obviously does realize he was making a misleading statement.) Thank you all again. (And sorry for being so dense.)

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    Cacti says:

    @Elie:

    Anyway, the Vaseline would be put on your face — not really your hands. Boxers use it on their face to make the blows more likely to glance off… You would either wrap your hands or put on boxing gloves.. My understanding anyway from watching boxing matches…

    You wrap the hands, then put on the gloves.

    The wraps give your carpals and metacarpals increased support to reduce the risk of hand or wrist injury.

    ;-)

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    Gravenstone says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    He won’t be getting intelligence briefings until he’s the official nominee(after the convention).

    Speculation: assuming trump hasn’t had the inevitable breakdown between now and Cleveland, what are the odds he makes it through a couple of foreign policy briefings outlining just how many challenges there are abroad that our press corpse can’t be arsed to speak to) and doesn’t come out the other side with a solid case of Thousand Yard Stare? Of course, Secretary Clinton is under no illusions of just what such challenges actually exist.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gravenstone: They will carefully control what he gets and how he gets it. This has already been reported on. The Administration, let alone the Intelligence Community, cannot count on him not to blurt something out because he either doesn’t understand the rules or doesn’t think they apply to him. Additionally, he has as his senior strategic advisor, Paul Manafort, a man who is one degree of separation from Vladimir Putin for his work for Victor Yanukovych, as well as Manafort’s staff that he brought with him into the campaign. None of them, as a result, are currently eligible for clearances. The chance that Trump might share something, again either because he doesn’t understand the rules or doesn’t think they apply to him, with Manafort is to high to provide him with anything significant. There is too great a chance it will just end up with Putin.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    I’ve freed everyone from the sin bin, so if you were wondering where your comment was, it was probably in moderation. I just got in and haven’t had a chance to dive into this stuff yet, but as I did with Trump’s foreign policy speech, I’ll go through the transcript and have a full breakdown for you all tomorrow.

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    NonyNony says:

    @Jeffro: The deep bench had to worry about not alienating Trump voters. They had to be careful to not cross the line between “This man is a moron” and “you’re a moron for supporting this moron.”

    Clinton’s advantage here is that she doesn’t have to give a fuck about alienating Trump voters. None of them will ever vote for her anyway. She needs to get out her voters and maybe convince some Republicans who think Trump is a moron that she’s the lesser evil.

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    Tom Q says:

    @JWR: In case you’d like even further info — including the percentages by which the primaries/caucuses have been won — this Wikipedia page is what I’ve been using:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Elie: I love Pierce but he does tend to be big on “Obama finally did this…” and “Clinton almost got came close to getting that right…”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @bystander: It wasn’t her decision and her decision alone. She may have developed the policy proposal and pushed for it, but the decision belonged to the President. Secretaries of State do not get to decide when and where to conduct military operations. That’s not how the system works. Does she deserve to be held responsible for developing and advocating the policy? Yes. President Obama is, however, the person responsible for making the decision to accept that proposal and order its execution.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Bob In Portland: You mean this propaganda and maskirovka piece written by a correspondent for the Russian government controlled RT (Russia Today)?
    http://thesaker.is/22776/

    The site is a pro-Putin propaganda mill that doesn’t even provide an about page or bio of its proprietor. Sources have to be vetted. No one knows who the person or persons behind the site are. So there is no way to vet who they are. But based on who they list in their community we know who they’re connected too, including the former Russian military and intelligence personnel, who are behind Southfront.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Bob In Portland: And it posted without any problem. No one is censoring you, but if you make the claim again I will ban you for implying that someone at Balloon Juice is trying to prevent you from doing whatever it is you think you’re doing here in the comments.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: DougJ’s Cranky Pants!

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    lollipopguild says:

    @PaulWartenberg2016: The bubbles are also Tiny.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Is your email working okay? I’ve gotten to failure to deliver responses since yesterday.

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    NotoriousJRT says:

    @bystander:
    Given up on Rachel. Don’t know if I will ever go back. Prime time has ruined Chris Hayes IMO.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Corner Stone: I don’t know what that means, but ok.

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    Ruckus says:

    @raven:
    Sorry about your friend. May he RIP.
    I never understood the hate or disgust some have for other than “their” branche of the service. You served your country. What difference does it make which branch?

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    JWR says:

    @Tom Q: Yep, been there already. Thanks! I think I was fooled, not swayed, mind you, by Bernie! and his assurance that he’d won “20 primaries”. This had me questioning what I thought I knew about elections, and whether there had been some major change that I wasn’t aware had taken place.

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    Ruckus says:

    @sacrablue:
    Copied this from the sec of state site.

    An NPP voter will receive a non-partisan ballot, which will have no presidential candidates listed.

    However, upon request, an NPP voter can instead vote the presidential ballot of the following parties:

    American Independent Party
    Democratic Party
    Libertarian Party
    How to request a party ballot? The NPP voter may ask their county elections office or poll worker, at their polling place, for a ballot for one of the above three parties. An NPP voter may not request more than one party’s ballot.

    Here’s the link to the CA sec of state site.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Davis X. Machina: Where do you want these Intertubes sent?

    Srsly, nearly pithed my panth LOLing after that one!

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Major Major Major Major: I’d chip in for one in nightshade meringue, so long as we can verify he eats a slice.

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    sinnedbackwards says:

    @RaflW: I’ve always thought that if we needed to invent new venereal terms a “poltroon of politicians” and a “snide of comedians” would do nicely.

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    Ruckus says:

    @sacrablue:
    He can go to his polling place with his mail in ballot and trade it in for a Dem ballot. That’s the easiest way and given the date, the only way.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @El Caganer: shorter Pierce: but . . . but . . . Iraq vote!

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    columbusqueen says:

    @Ramping Up: Rrrrighht. . .is that like buying swampland in FL?

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Jeezus H. Christ on a Harley, Adam, hasn’t the pathetic Boob from Putinland already polluted this site enough for a wallop with a Siberia-sized banhammer?

    And hurl Rigid Dismantled, dullarddread, & Cramping Flup alongside him into the outer dorkness, why doncha?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Uncle Cosmo: I don’t own the site, so…
    (I don’t even get paid. Not even in gift cards!)

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: But you make up for it in volume, right?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Highly unlikely.

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    jefft says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: “Not debating Hillary will be taken as cowardice”

    Yeah, it would
    But then again, Donny IS a coward
    My bet is that there will be no debate

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Oh, come on, Adam: “The views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of his employer.”

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: She laid out enough. She’s just warming up her muscles for the pounding. One thing I noticed about Trump’s twitter response is that it was weak, very low energy. Also, it was embarrasing whining come from a man who is into his 70s.

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    seaboogie says:

    @NonyNony: One reason why I think it doesn’t hurt that she is perceived as a “hawk”. Also, she is a woman, so I think this works in Clinton’s favor.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Avalie: Very late to the thread – can’t sleep – but just wanted to say “how cool”!

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    planetjanet says:

    @Davis X. Machina: I need to bookmark that quote.

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    Captain C says:

    @The Golux: I suspect the reports will be put together with that in mind, that and the fact that some of Trump’s people have Putin ties.

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