“Small, Insecure Money-Grubber”

Senator Elizabeth Warren takes a break from skewering Donald Trump on Twitter to eviscerate him in long form via a speech yesterday:

Words like “small” and “insecure” get under Trump’s skin because they contradict the grandiose image of himself Trump markets so industriously. But I like what Warren has done with “money-grubber” angle here to frame Trump’s conduct as a vulture real estate developer eager to pick clean the bones of regular folks who lost their homes.

Trump has carefully crafted a brand as a fabulously wealthy, self-made winner, and Warren paints him as a rich man’s heir who grew up to be a twisted greedhead like Mr. Potter from “It’s a Wonderful Life.” It’s a brilliant way to turn an opponent’s strength into a weakness, and I hope Senator Warren keeps it up from now to November.

[H/T: TPM]






116 replies
  1. 1
    Keith G says:

    Too bad that woman isn’t doing something else right now. It’s a shame the convention couldn’t choose her by acclamation.

  2. 2
    Trollhattan says:

    Let us savor. Broad brush, Hillary can remain “presidential” while having plenty of effective surrogates–Liz being a fabulous example–do the trench warfare. Not that Hillary herself won’t get plenty of opportunities to slag on Donny but IMHO she mostly needs to campaign as an upbeat, forward-looking leader.

  3. 3
    Percysowner says:

    We can add incompetent. His camp just accidentally emailed their special secret plans to attack Hillary on Whitewater to a Politico reporter. OOPS?

  4. 4
    MomSense says:

    Love it. Keep calling him small and insecure. You know what they say – the taller the tower the smaller the…

  5. 5

    @Keith G: Why do we need a Republican governor appointing her replacement with a SCOTUS seat on the line? Come on.

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    Elie says:

    @Trollhattan:

    she mostly needs to campaign as an upbeat, forward-looking leader.

    Agreed… She should be positive, aspirational and happy — yes happy. That will be the contrast to ol prune face, screwed up with spittle and hatred….. There will be plenty of folks to unload on this asshole. Actually, the best stuff will not be the names he is called, but the oppo research that shows him to be weak and poor and otherwise less than his supporters think he is. Like those taxes and other business issues and failures…

  8. 8
    Ken says:

    I suppose she’s above working in “short-fingered,” but it would have been fun to see the explosion.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Percysowner: That seems incompetent on at least two levels, the first being that there’s a plan to regurgitate more 90s bullshit at all, much less accidentally dispersing it to the most gossipy, dumb media outlet in DC. I don’t get the logic there — is the Whitewater strategy aimed at Republicans who fumed throughout Bill Clinton’s presidency that they couldn’t make any other so-called scandals stick and had to settle for a blowjob witch hunt? If so, that seems wasteful since that demographic is sewn up…

  10. 10
    MomSense says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    happy birthday, Maru! Hope he gets all the boxes his heart desires.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Percysowner:

    We can add incompetent. His camp just accidentally emailed their special secret plans to attack Hillary on Whitewater to a Politico reporter. OOPS?

    Some seriously weak sauce if these dopes have nothing but retreads of rehashes of old discredited stories.

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    dr. bloor says:

    By November, Warren vis a vis Trump is going to make Banquo’s ghost look like MacBeth’s best friend.

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    JMG says:

    @Major Major Major Major: As Ed Kilgore pointed out in NY mag, Mass. law requires a special election 120 days after a vacancy in the Senate takes place. So even if Baker were to name a Republican, and it’d probably be a squishy one like him, he or she would have to face the voters by April 2017 at the latest. But the main reason Warren is likely to stay in the Senate is her own self-interest. If Clinton wins, Warren will be the leader of the liberalest part of the Democrats in the Senate. If Trump wins, she’ll be the de facto leader of the entire Democratic party with a base for daily activism.

  14. 14
    Elie says:

    @Ken:

    I think she may have done that in one of her previous unloadings. She is just laying down preparation bombing but before the focused, strategic targets get hit, to put it militaristically.. And he is such a moron he will continue to use his energy respond to her. As time goes on there will be more people attacking that he feels he has to respond to.. before long that is all he will be doing — being on the defense and responding to attacks from many directions. We’re just bombing to assess effect also — what hurts, what sticks, what doesn’t work as well. Its only HIM you see responding… I don’t see that he will have a large number of surrogates to do his dirty work… maybe a few, but mostly he will do it himself… and that is a good thing…

  15. 15
    infovore says:

    @Keith G:

    Too bad that woman isn’t doing something else right now. It’s a shame the convention couldn’t choose her by acclamation.

    You need people like her in the senate.

  16. 16

    @JMG: Two words, Scott Brown. No point fighting a rearguard action right now.

  17. 17
    Matt McIrvin says:

    @infovore: You want her on that wall! You need her on that wall!

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    Mike J says:

    She was at it again on twitter today.

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    Elie says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    FABULOUS kitty! Happy Birthday, Maru!

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    Cacti says:

    @infovore:

    You need people like her in the senate.

    Count me among those not anxious to remove her from the Senate. We need tough, effective legislators too if we’re going to advance liberal priorities.

  21. 21
    gogol's wife says:

    I do like her speaking voice better than Hillary’s. But what are you going to do.

    Obama is a hard act to follow. It’s just pure pleasure hearing him speak.

  22. 22
    Betty Cracker says:

    @Elie: That’s about the best strategy there is to counter Trump’s talent for generating earned media.

  23. 23
    Chris says:

    @infovore:

    You need people like her in the senate.

    This has been my mantra since forever when it comes to her. We need more and better liberals, and that means we need to build liberal presence among senators. And representatives, and governors, and state senators and representatives, and so on down. We can’t do that if every time a good one pops up, we immediately rush to get them in the White House.

    Warren’s been awesome as a voice for the economic left in a time when such voices are badly needed and actually have an audience. She could never be that way as president, needing to unify (as much as possible) the entire party and country. Let’s leave her where she is, doing what she’s good at, and try to elect more like her (that’s what she’s been trying to do by campaigning for other candidates).

  24. 24
    oldster says:

    Go, Senator Warren!

  25. 25
    Trollhattan says:

    @Cacti:
    While the chances of an all-woman ticket are greater than zero, I just don’t see it happening.

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    Keith G says:

    @Major Major Major Major: That is certainly one way to look at the situation. Another way to look at it would be that Elizabeth Warren might be a much better candidate against Donald Trump than Hillary will be. Warren seems to be a lot more intellectually agile as well as willing to not play as much defense. She also seems to score very well in what the kids in the media call authenticity.

    It’s possible that Elizabeth Warren might bring more voters to the polls on election day. If that if that were to happen, maybe her vacant Senate seat would be less of an issue.

    Anyway, I’m just spitballing. I’ve been waiting for a while now for Hillary Clinton to show me what she’s got. I have always been a fan of hers and I expected to see more of her A game coming out of the gate. I’m still waiting.

  27. 27
    Cacti says:

    @Elie:

    I think she may have done that in one of her previous unloadings. She is just laying down preparation bombing but before the focused, strategic targets get hit, to put it militaristically.. And he is such a moron he will continue to use his energy respond to her. As time goes on there will be more people attacking that he feels he has to respond to.. before long that is all he will be doing — being on the defense and responding to attacks from many directions. We’re just bombing to assess effect also — what hurts, what sticks, what doesn’t work as well. Its only HIM you see responding… I don’t see that he will have a large number of surrogates to do his dirty work… maybe a few, but mostly he will do it himself… and that is a good thing…

    Hillary’s basic message for the general seems to be settling on “Love trumps hate”. That means she takes the high road, and surrogates do the knee capping. If Warren gets put on the ticket, it would effectively muzzle her ability to go after Drumpf without restraint.

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    Elie says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    The bonus is that this will be very energy draining for him over time… very. Sure he gets the press no one else defending him would, but he has all the work. He is already so in the toilet that it will just have a numbing effect. Our goal is NOT his followers… Our goal is energizing and motivating our people and those indies sitting on the fence… (you know that so not lecturing you — more just affirming my own thoughts on this)

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    scav says:

    So, they really feel secure about going (petite) mano-a-mano about real-estate deals right now? With his hoping for the market to collapse on tape and just wandering out? Hahoooo-kay.

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    Mary says:

    @Chris: I also think that in her current position she can get away with somewhat harder attacks than she could if she felt the need to appear “presidential.” I really like the team effort between Clinton and Warren. Warren’s down and dirty (in a good way) attacks allow Clinton to take more of a high road.

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    NR says:

    @Percysowner: I don’t think that was really much of a secret. It’s been clear for months now that Trump is not going to be running an issues-based campaign. It’s going to be all mudslinging, all the time.

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    Elie says:

    @Keith G:

    I would not expect her to do the attack you seem to want her to demonstrate. She should not get into the ditch with the pig. Sorry, if that is what you mean, I totally disagree.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Fabulous video! I love it when she’s in the glass bowl.

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    germy shoemangler says:

    @Keith G:

    I’ve been waiting for a while now for Hillary Clinton to show me what she’s got.

    Okay then read her list of issues:
    https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

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    Cacti says:

    @Keith G:

    Anyway, I’m just spitballing. I’ve been waiting for a while now for Hillary Clinton to show me what she’s got. I have always been a fan of hers and I expected to see more of her A game coming out of the gate. I’m still waiting.

    It’s limited at this point by a certain challenger banging his spoon on his highchair, and wailing about ‘How dare Hillary disrespect Democratic voters by focusing on Trump’.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    Or I guess it’s he.

    And if it were possible to edit comments, I wouldn’t be “posting too fast.”

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    @schrodinger’s cat: Thanks 🙂

    🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈

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    @Trollhattan:

    Broad brush, Hillary can remain “presidential” while having plenty of effective surrogates–Liz being a fabulous example–do the trench warfare.

    Hillary has been hitting Trump pretty hard on the “hoping for a housing crash so he can vulture the pieces” part on Twitter. It has the appearance of a coordinated campaign, and Hillary isn’t afraid to say the stuff herself. I think that actually makes perfect sense; her messaging is as much about setting herself up as the defender of the little guy as it is about tearing Trump down.

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    Dee Loralei says:

    I just tweeted to Senator Warren that if we throw Trump down the drain we’ll have a yooge toxic hair clog and we #BetterBringTheDraino.

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    scav says:

    Sudden thought. I’m rather liking the tag-team organized approach of attack rather than it all being star-star-star, individually-perfect quarter-back candidate worship. Because I certainly would like an organized team going after legislation etc during the next term. Getting a little proof of that now is rather encouraging.

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    someofparts says:

    Even though I think the world of Senator Warren, it still makes me cringe that she compares Trump’s lack of concern for foreclosure victims with all the care and concern shown by the Obama administration.

    If I lose my home, does it make things better that the person who took it feels bad about it? Trump wouldn’t help victims of foreclosure because he doesn’t care about folks. Obama, or Hillary, did not and will not help foreclosure victims … but they are unhappy about it.

    Well, that makes everything okay then!

  42. 42
    Shell says:

    You know its only a matter of time before Trump spouts off and uses the ‘B’ word re: either Warren or Clinton. Will he get a pass, even of that?

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    Elie says:

    ..And Obama will wade in (my guess, after the convention) He knows exactly how to push those buttons. Trump hates him with the intensity of a thousand suns…

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Roger Moore: And Trump’s response was to start screaming “SHE ACCUSED ME!!! OF WANTING TO BUY AT A LOW POINT!! WHO THE HELL DOESN’T!!!!”

    Nice reframing attempt, dude.

  45. 45
    Keith G says:

    @infovore: Let me be clear. My comments were about her running for president not being a placeholder in the vice presidency. If you look at my comment directly above, I feel that Warren is uniquely qualified to be an excellent head-to-head candidate against Donald Trump.

    I think she could be a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. And in the parallel universe where that happens, I could see Senator Warren bringing more voters to the polls than Hillary Clinton. We do not live in that parallel universe, so this theory won’t get tested.

    In any universe, we need people like Elizabeth Warren in the Senate and we also need need them holding the presidency.

  46. 46
    Ella in New Mexico says:

    Yesterday I ended up having to spend a lot of time in a room with a patient who is sedated, ventilated and on contact precautions doing very time consuming care like bathing, wound care, dressing changes etc (we try to cluster our activities so we don’t need to keep gowning up to go in and out). I never know what’s going on in the world when I go into the bunker of work for two or three days, So I took the opportunity and turned the tv on and listened while I worked. Besides the pretty great speeches by Hilary and Mother of Dragons Elizabeth Warren, it was a shit-storm of Anti Trump all over the place.

    I couldn’t believe it wasn’t a coordinated effort by the Dems as Guest after guest was interviewed giving their own perspectives on “Everything That’s Fucking Wrong and Fake About Trump”, from his pretend “business successes” to how dangerous he is for our military and national security, to “I can testify to Trump not only defending Bill Clinton but to his attacking the very same people he now says Hilary attacked”. People I’ve never seen before or haven’t heard from in years were showing up to give their perspectives, from General Wesley Clark to Bill Bradley.

    Then at home last night, saw the protests at the Albuquerque Trump rally and his calling out of our Fucking Fake Loser of a Governor. Priceless.

    So, except for the fact my poor little lady on the vent probably won’t make it and the way the straggler protestors started acting like dumbass Vato losers and caused a perfectly sweet police horse slip and fall, yesterday was a really positive look at the future of what Donald Trump has to deal with as he loses the election.

    Only other down side was the realization that the “Fox Only” crowd never gets a whiff of this stuff.

  47. 47
    mike in dc says:

    So, the Inspector General’s report on EmailGhaziGate just got released. Clinton did not escape criticism. Hopefully that will be the end of it with respect to governmental activity on it. I assume an indictment is still extremely unlikely, but I am not versed in the evidence and the elements of an alleged criminal violation.

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    Gelfling545 says:

    @infovore: I’m just not able to understand how people do not see the importance of having our brightest and best in the Senate. I guess that might explain the poor turnout in non-presidential election years, though. In the political environment today we not only need Dems in the Senate but smart, competent Dems more than ever.

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    Elie says:

    @Shell:

    Its counterintuitive but I think of it as him trying to buttress his base with those attacks and name calling. But it strengthens our base more and moves the people on the fence our direction. Why? Cause if the fence sitters were persuaded by mud slinging, they would already be supporting him. He also further loses the women… Trump is implementing a strategy that suits his need to shore up what he already has, and doesn’t build on what he has…. He would have to be way different to build and he really can’t without losing his identity to the creeps who support him. Its a box he will not be able to get out of… (in my opinion)

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    Elie says:

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    Thank you for what you do…. fellow nurse….

    I just accepted a position with Planned Parenthood… Very happy and excited..

    Hope the horse was not hurt too bad… I share your opinion of the demonstrators…

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Elie: COngratulations on your new gig!

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    Keith G says:

    @germy shoemangler I have seen what issues she will focus on. : Lists of issues are easy to generate. An essential part is to campaign such a way that those issues are held on a foundation of active public support.

    In my heart I feel that Hillary can accomplish such a task, but sometimec her campaign has given me reason to entertain doubt.

  53. 53
    Elie says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Thanks much! I look forward to working with a great set of people for something I am really committed to…

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Ella in New Mexico: Poor lady. Poor horsie. Hope both are okay.

  55. 55

    @Elie: Congrats!!

    @Ella in New Mexico: Sorry to hear about the patient.

    If people keep up protests like this it’s bad. In my opinion. Good on them for protesting, but violence is bad and plays into Trump’s hands. Same as happened with the Occupy people (thinking Oakland specifically).

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    rikyrah says:

    I’ll continue to say it…

    Warren is showing the way, Democrats.

    SHE.IS.SHOWING.THE.WAY.

  57. 57
    Hal says:

    @Percysowner:

    We can add incompetent. His camp just accidentally emailed their special secret plans to attack Hillary on Whitewater to a Politico reporter. OOPS?

    Whitewater? Really? Why not stick to the more recent Benghazi!!! and emails? No one ended up caring about whitewater 30 years ago, so why would anyone care today?

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Keith G:

    I like that she’s more or less out of the spotlight, especially since psycho Bernie is still screeching about marching away with the nomination, even today, as his dead enders continue to tantrum themselves out over the next couple of weeks. Let Liz lay down cover fire for Hillary, making Bernie look like the pathetic ballless idiotic babyman sore loser pants shitter that apparently is his nature to be.

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    Chris says:

    @Gelfling545:

    I’m just not able to understand how people do not see the importance of having our brightest and best in the Senate. I guess that might explain the poor turnout in non-presidential election years, though. In the political environment today we not only need Dems in the Senate but smart, competent Dems more than ever.

    Much as I hate giving right wingers credit for anything, on this one at least, it feels like more of them have read their constitutions. They understand that you need as much control as possible over all levels of government, not just the one that gets all that attention every four years.

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    Chris says:

    @Elie:

    Oh man, good luck. Are you in a red state? I don’t remember… Double good luck to you if so.

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    scav says:

    @someofparts: The issue is not if a businessman sobbed a little while taking your home. It’s the caliber of a man who will hope that the many experience real harm (even as a side-product) in order that he profits: is that the sort of individual to put in a position where he can start rally moving the levers that can do that on a larger scale? A perfect indifference to the harm experienced by others might not be the bedrock of a public servant. Although somehow I doubt I’m orating anywhere near the direction of the possible choir.

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    rikyrah says:

    @someofparts:

    she compares Trump’s lack of concern for foreclosure victims with all the care and concern shown by the Obama administration

    Lack of concern?
    Nobody cares.

    That this mofo expressly wanted it to happen so that HE could make money?

    Yeah, people would have a problem with that.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Keith G:

    I think she could be a better candidate than Hillary Clinton. And in the parallel universe where that happens, I could see Senator Warren bringing more voters to the polls than Hillary Clinton. We do not live in that parallel universe, so this theory won’t get tested.

    IF she had run, she would have beaten Hillary.

    Period.

    That, I have no doubt.

    And, Bernie would have been a non-entity.

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    hellslittlestangel says:

    I love Elizabeth Warren, and I want her to stay in the Senate because the Senate will be needing a new Majority Leader really soon.

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    @Keith G:

    I have always been a fan of hers and I expected to see more of her A game coming out of the gate. I’m still waiting.

    From your descriptions, I don’t think you’re going to see it. She’ll bring her A game, it will just be subtle. She’s dealt with too many trolls to get into a direct fight with Trump. When he tries to engage her, I figure she’ll act amused and dismissive, like she did with the Benghazi panel. It’s the most effective way I know to dominate a real life troll, and it should drive him to a screaming rage while she looks like a competent adult to the voters.

    The aggressive beatings will happen around her, to keep Trump looking like the frothing bigoted lunatic he is. Sputting ‘nuh-uh!’s play well with the wingnuttiest base, but nowhere else.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @Elie:

    I just accepted a position with Planned Parenthood… Very happy and excited..

    Awesome! Good luck on your new job! My friend works at a clinic in Northern CA and truly LOVES her work.

    I really wish we had a clinic here…the anti-PP folks managed to help it get closed a few years ago. I’d love to PRN or even volunteer with them.

  67. 67

    @rikyrah:

    IF she had run, she would have beaten Hillary.

    I dunno. Part of me thinks she would have done better than St. Bernard of Shoutytown, part of me thinks that she wouldn’t have because she wouldn’t have gotten the “not a girl” votes of the BernieBros and the organizing skills, such as they are, of the Paultards.

  68. 68
    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @Betty Cracker: Aww, thanks. I don’t know about the horsie, but the lady is really sick. But I can say that when I went home yesterday, her family came to visit her and she was fresh and sweet and clean, with beautifully braided hair and impeccable new dressings on her really awful wounds. And her vital signs showed she was very comfortable and in no pain. Rest is in God’s hands…

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Love Maru! I wish I could have cats. Allergic, alas, which makes my little rescue floofy dog the beneficiary. Or so I tell him.

    And, go Liz Warren!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    making Bernie look like the pathetic ballless idiotic babyman sore loser pants shitter that apparently is his nature to be.

    Don’t hold back, Con – how do you *really* feel about Senator Sanders?

  71. 71
    Keith G says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: You are making a very fair and good point. One of the challenges running for president is being able to figure out what messages the voters want to hear and what style of communication is the best way to get them on board.

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    @Major Major Major Major:
    I’m not sure she could energize Sanders’ base the way he does. She has some of the same ‘Wall Street is the enemy’ framing, but she doesn’t make it nearly as manichean and absolute and hateful. In conjunction with the messages I’ve heard from the most aggressively left, least happy with Obama people here, a big chunk of liberals want a simple Us vs. Them class war framing, and think it’s reality, the only effective framework for policy, and the best and most popular message. Sanders is simplistic and angry and ranting about it, and that’s what they wanted until he betrayed just how hollow that simplistic message is.

    EDIT – Note, and they still have basically the same beliefs, they just came to recognize that Sanders has taken it to the point where it’s childish.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @someofparts:

    Obama, or Hillary, did not and will not help foreclosure victims

    I take issue with this statement. Obama DID try to set up programs to help stem the tide from the foreclosure crisis. From what I’ve seen, the Republicans in Congress did all they could to keep it from being more successful, and the banks themselves actively delayed and even defrauded the public in their efforts to get rich off the misery of others.

    And yes, it took a while but the wheels at Justice did eventually hold a lot of them accountable. Government: it’s a big ole machine, but at least people like Obama and the Dems TRY to make it work for the people.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    I’m not sure she could energize Sanders’ base the way he does.

    Oh, she’d have no problem energizing it, and also bringing in way MORE other folks. I look forward to her blossoming career.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    This. Hillary will be amused and dismissive, which will drive Trump and his supporters even more bonkers because they’re getting dissed by a GURL!!

    Trump is of a generation where he gets automatic respect and deference because he’s a rich white dude. Not getting his “due” will drive him crazy.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    I never let my kids whine when they were little – it was just one of those things that gets my back up like nothing else does. Every day I have to see him, hear him whining, hear about him whining, read some new whiny jackass thing he or Weaver says and the whining from all of his supporters makes me want to find him and run his whiny ass over with a steamroller.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    I’m curious what everyone here thinks of this scenario:
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelli.....enate.html

    I haven’t seen this line of reasoning before.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Ella in New Mexico: I went to Bill Clinton’s speech last night in Española. A positive, upbeat, largely Hispanic crowd (800+ people? – it was Española, after all) and a positive, upbeat message about building bridges, not walls, and raising opportunities together as a society. I particularly liked Bill’s comment that, while intelligence is equally distributed across the nation, opportunity is not, which led to some detail of Hillary’s plans vis-a-vis education and economic development to address those inequities. He barely referenced “the opposition” and when he did, never by name. The focus was on policy, goals, and the common good, which I suspect will be Hillary’s tack as well.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Also, Trump has been a celebrity for almost 30 years. As anyone who lives in So Cal knows, hell hath no fury like a “celebrity” who screeches, “Don’t you know who I AM?!?”

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    rikyrah says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    I dunno. Part of me thinks she would have done better than St. Bernard of Shoutytown, part of me thinks that she wouldn’t have because she wouldn’t have gotten the “not a girl” votes of the BernieBros and the organizing skills, such as they are, of the Paultards.

    Elizabeth Warren would have mopped the floor with Hillary when it comes to the domestic policy side. Warren is authentic. Hillary is not. Warren is authentic, but not Bernie delusional.

    Folks conveniently want to forget, but Hillary didn’t run on the financial stuff in the beginning. Her inauthenticness, as contrast to Warren ‘s plainspoken explanation of the country’s problems……..

    well…..

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Yeah, it’s kind of hard to take a “revolutionary” seriously when his main rhetorical weapon seems to be a cry of “it’s not FAAIR!”

    Um, yeah, dude…

    Oh, and also did you know that that chair thing was TOTALLY exaggerated, man, the dude didn’t *throw* it, he only *brandished* it, so the MSM and all those Hillbots are total lying poo-poo heads for making such a BIG DEAL out of it.

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    Elie says:

    @efgoldman:

    I live in a relatively sane place with good community roots. But I never say never so its always good to be aware of your situation and I will be. I don’t want to reveal where it is on-line

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    @Hal:

    Whitewater? Really? Why not stick to the more recent Benghazi!!! and emails?

    I can think of a few reasons:
    1) Emailghazi is winding down, so now is the wrong time to hype it
    2) There’s a whole generation (including a generation of journalists) that hasn’t heard about the hits of the ’90s, so there’s an opportunity there.
    3) The journalists who do remember the ’90s and are upset that they didn’t catch the Clintons doing anything will enjoy dredging up past scandals in the hopes they can find something this time- or at least drag Hillary through the mud one more time.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    OT: 11 states are suing the federal government over the transgender bathroom directive. From the NYT:

    The lawsuit, filed in a Federal District Court in North Texas, said the Obama administration had “conspired to turn workplaces and educational settings across the country into laboratories for a massive social experiment, flouting the democratic process, and running roughshod over common sense policies protecting children and basic privacy rights.”

    You’ll never guess which region of the US is primarily represented in this lawsuit:

    The plaintiffs in the lawsuit include nine states – Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia and Wisconsin – as well as the governor of Maine, Paul R. LePage; the Arizona Department of Education; and school districts in Arizona and Texas.

    Le sigh.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    If people keep up protests like this it’s bad. In my opinion. Good on them for protesting, but violence is bad and plays into Trump’s hands. Same as happened with the Occupy people

    I remember being so impressed by Occupy when it started, only to become sick and tired of the 7 dirty hippies singing protest songs and camping out on the lawn of our city library by early December…;-)

    I have to say, unlike previous protests, I don’t think the violence was in any way attributable to the Sanders campaign. We had a mix of Hilary and Sanders supporters there, as well as a lot of college students and very decent local community activist organizations that came to peacefully protest Trump’s bigotry.

    My college student daughter and her two older brother’s went for a while, and left when things got ugly. But she said from what she saw, the same punk-thug opportunists who showed up and ruined the protests against Albuquerque PD a couple of years ago decided it was time for some more completely gratuitous, violent, fun. Really pissed her off.

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    eclare says:

    @Elie: Smart not to reveal, I would be careful who I told, unfortunately. Congratulations!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Ella in New Mexico:

    It’s the Black Bloc jackasses. They infest California as well and try to ruin any peaceful protest. I know they tried to insert themselves into the Oscar Grant protests in Oakland with some success.

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    Ella in New Mexico says:

    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I went to Bill Clinton’s speech last night in Española.

    Awesome! Did you read that while he was in Santa Fe, he stopped at Tia Sofia’s ended up being stuck in a booth talking to a single BS supporter and the owner later told everyone that the kid was a “local troublemaker”? lololol http://nmpoliticalreport.com/4.....a-fe-stop/

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’m sure they’ll be in Philly with bells on for Berniepaloooooooza.

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    @rikyrah: Hillary didn’t run on anything in the beginning. She did a listening-tour-thingie. It’s why for instance she had a plan for the opiod problem before people were really talking about it–she went to the rust belt and heard their stories.

    At least, according to the accounts by the reporters who were following her.

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    les says:

    @Keith G:

    Another way to look at it would be that Elizabeth Warren might be a much better candidate against Donald Trump than Hillary will be. Warren seems to be a lot more intellectually agile as well as willing to not play as much defense. She also seems to score very well in what the kids in the media call authenticity.

    Maybe. But usually candidates (not named Trump) don’t do the opponent bashing. Another reason to have Warren where she is, she’s damn good at it.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Ella in New Mexico: Hah! I missed that. Poor guy, but also a little funny. Thanks for the link.

    ETA: Nice also that Bill went to a good, local eatery.

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    Jeffro says:

    @rikyrah:

    Warren is showing the way, Democrats.

    SHE.IS.SHOWING.THE.WAY.

    Amen and amen. Even Susanna Martinez is like, dang, I like that Warren lady…

    Elizabeth “daisy-cutter” Warren is a little clunky, but Elizabeth SMASH! was taken already.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    I’m curious what everyone here thinks of this scenario:

    I like either Warren-VP scenario just fine, but I also like her in the Senate laying the wood to the GOP. She’d actually have less of a ‘microphone’ as VP than in her current role.

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    MCA1 says:

    @scav: I don’t know that everyone’s going to hang his cavalier about winners and losers in the world of transactions against him, when he was speaking as a businessman private citizen. If he had said this crap now, while auditioning for the job of Empathetic Person in Chief, yes, it’s outrageous. He also probably wasn’t even talking about homes – it’s not like he went and bought 5,000 foreclosed houses in Sarasota after the crash – he was talking about buying up discounted commercial properties.

    I would have rather Warren focused on what Drumpf said immediately after this, when he declared that there was no bubble in the real estate market and that there wouldn’t be a downturn. Self-proclaimed smartest mofo in the real estate game evah didn’t see that coming by 2006? You want that kind of judgment driving our macroeconomic policy choices?

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    rk says:

    I disagree with Elizabeth Warren when she says that the “American people are a whole lot smarter than this”. Actually they’re not. They’re a whole lot dumber. We have Donald Trump as proof.

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    @Mnemosyne: She treats him horribly! Horribly, I tell you! He has to say she was mean to her husband’s mistresses. He has no choice.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @MCA1: Trump is the genius who started a mortgage company just before the real estate crash too.

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    @O. Felix Culpa:

    I wish I could have cats. Allergic, alas, which makes my little rescue floofy dog the beneficiary.

    You might want to keep an eye on this, then. They’re still in clinical trials, but if/when they are approved I can see them making life better for a lot of cat lovers.

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    Elie says:

    @Roger Moore:

    Some people have said that the fur-less cats (Sphinx?) are good for allergic folks and they can be bathed daily to get rid of any dander (which is what people are actually allergic to). Some folks put little sweaters on them also — both to keep them warm and to diminish spreading the small amount of dander that people would be allergic to.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Roger Moore: Thanks for the heads-up! I prefer to avoid drugs, but for furry friends, sacrifices might be made.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    No, she actually DID something: got a law passed and an agency created, rather than pimping some amorphous “revolution.”

    That’s OBVIOUSLY not true, because no less an authority than Donald A. Trump has told us that she’s “goofy” and “the most ineffective Senator” in Congress.

    And he should know.

    ETA: I’m hoping he does the Atlanta Braves’ “Tomahawk Chop,” just to show her.

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    Princess says:

    I wish we could have Warren or, failing that, Durbin as next majority leader instead of Schumer.

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    Zinsky says:

    I used to drive a fair amount on business during the 1990s and I would listen to Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talkers just to pass the time and hear what the other side was saying. I remember Limbaugh coming on his show one day in 1993, breathless and excited because “he had evidence that Vince Foster was killed by Hillary Clinton after a lovers spat and his body dragged to Fort Marcy Park”. A simple review of the front page of the New York Times on July 21, 1993 (the day Fosters death was reported) is all that was needed to refute this silly cock and bull story – Hillary Clinton was traveling in Japan and Hawaii the day Foster committed suicide, thousands of miles away!

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Zinsky:

    Hillary Clinton was traveling in Japan and Hawaii the day Foster committed suicide, thousands of miles away!

    That’s how eeeeevil she is!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Elie:

    Also, strange as it sounds, most people with allergies are more allergic to either short-haired or long-haired cats. The length of the cat’s hair can be the difference between a life-threatening allergy and something that a little Zyrtec can handle.

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    Elie says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    My understanding is that its not the fur but the skin particles (dander) that normally shed from either the cat or dog. It would make sense that a short haired animal might allow the dander to surface faster maybe? I have no idea…

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    Paul says:

    That’s a great tag line: “MR:POTTER-TRUMP”!
    Use it mercilessly
    !

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Warren has him pegged: he’s a caricature who can be deflated like a sad party balloon if you prod hard enough.

    He’s not rich, just pretends to be on the back of leveraged money from rotating loans and dodgy deals and bullshit. He’s actually not that dissimilar from Robert Maxwell: ostentatious, highly litigious, and propped up by loans that were called in when he took that final trip off his luxury yacht, which in turn revealed that he’d looted his companies’ pension funds.

    The question about Trump’s finances isn’t whether there are skeletons in the cupboards, but whether the cupboards are bare and the skeletons are being held as collateral.

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    Elie says:

    @pseudonymous in nc:

    Just think how embarrassing and catastrophic it would be if it came to light before the election that he was a complete fraud, essentially living off of air, and as you say, rotating loans and other schemes.

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    SFAW says:

    @Zinsky:

    A simple review of the front page of the New York Times on July 21, 1993 (the day Fosters death was reported) is all that was needed to refute this silly cock and bull story – Hillary Clinton was traveling in Japan and Hawaii the day Foster committed suicide, thousands of miles away!

    You LIE-berals will believe anything. It’s obvious to the most casual of observers that she accomplished it by using the same time machine that Obama used when he changed the Honolulu papers to insert his birth announcement. Sad!

    ETA: And notice that she was in Hawaii during that trip, home of the Kenyan Mooslim Usurper. Coincidence? I think NOT! She probably went there to get a loaner on his time machine.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Elie: it would be utterly devastating, and gosh, wouldn’t it be hilarious (pardon pun) if the former senator for the nation’s financial capital already knew this?

    (I’m now imagining a scenario where the transcripts of Hillary’s Wall Street speeches start with “I laughed so much when you told me just how much Trump is in hock to you all.”)

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    Ivan Ivanovich Renko says:

    @Jeffro: Elizabeth “Ma Deuce” Warren, maybe?

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    bmoak says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Anyone want to take odds on the Black Bloc contingent showing up in Philadelphia if Bernie and/or his supporters decide to protest the convention?

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    debbie says:

    To me, because “money-grubber” has commonly been thrown at Jews, this is her retort to Trump’s very questionable Tweet about John Stewart. That’ll really piss Trump off.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Ivan Ivanovich Renko: Senator Smash Warren or Senator Warren Mother of Dragons.

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