Open Thread: Yes, I’m #TeamHillary

Despite Chuck Toad’s best efforts (‘Polls. Polls? Polls! Soundbites! But — polls!’), in my opinion today’s Meet the Press was actually a good show for Hillary Clinton (‘Votes. Work. Votes, votes, work, VOTE.’).

Transcript of the interview here. First question:

CHUCK TODD: Is Bernie Sanders now helping Donald Trump?

SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: Oh, I don’t think so. I think that Senator Sanders has every right to finish off his campaign however he chooses. I do think there will then be the obvious need for us to unify the party. I faced the same challenge in 2008. I will certainly do my part, reaching out to Senator Sanders, reaching out to his supporters. And I expect him to do his. And he said about a week ago, he was going to spend seven days a week trying to defeat Donald Trump. And I believe that’s the case… (after Todd rephrases the same question) I’m not going to negotiate with [the Sanders campaign] today on your show. I’m going to say when it’s time, I am reaching out to do my part to try to unify the party. I expect him to do the same. I did that when I lost a much closer race to Senator Obama. Because I knew that whatever our differences were, just as whatever our differences are between me and Senator Sanders, they pale in comparison to Donald Trump and the Republicans. And I think most of Senator Sanders’ supporters understand that as well.

Later, in response to Todd asking if she’d accept Mark Cuban as her VP…

SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I am absolutely intending to look far and wide. And I think that is the best way to find somebody who can really capture what’s needed in the country, and businesspeople have, especially successful businesspeople who are really successful as opposed to pretend successful, I think have a lot to offer.

CHUCK TODD: Pretend successful? You don’t think–


CHUCK TODD: –is there anything Donald Trump’s done that you think should be praised?

SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: I think he needs to release his tax returns. The only two we have show that he hasn’t paid a penny in taxes. And yet he goes around talking about “Make America great.” You know? That means paying for our military. That means paying for our roads. That means paying for the V.A. That means a lot of things. And if you’ve got someone running for president who’s afraid to release his tax returns, because it will expose the fact that he pays no federal income tax, I think that’s a big problem.

CHUCK TODD: No, my question was there’s nothing about his background that is praiseworthy?

SEC. HILLARY CLINTON: We’ll find out. Because we have to get below the hype. We have to find what the reality is…

HRClinton 2016. Because somebody needs to be the grown-up.

347 replies
  1. 1
    gogol's wife says:

    Todd is such an ass. Why the hell should she be praising Donald Trump? When is he going to praise her for anythng?

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    joel hanes says:

    I’m trying to thing of even one thing in Trump’s background that’s praiseworthy, and coming up blank.

    Anyone ? …. Bueller ?

    (Some of my R friends used to challenge me to say something, anything positive about W. I had two: he’s very fit, and the Pacific marine reserves he established are a Very Good Thing.)

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    MikeBoyScout says:

    Voter registration is the first step. Somebody not too distant from you is not yet registered to vote in the November election. Help them out.

    If we all do our little bit we can win the whole kit and caboodle.


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    quakerinabasement says:

    Praiseworthy… Let’s see…He figured out it was time to shut up about the birth certificate?

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    gogol's wife says:

    By some miracle, the Times published a good op-ed on Hillary.

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    Elie says:

    Hillary is the real deal and her organization (what I have seen close up at the boots on the ground level), is first rate. Her people have been sharp and prepared and I am going to help them do this important thing. As for the fat shlump Trump, no, I can’t think of anything good about him. He is breathing way too much air, eating too much and taking up too much room for a gigantic turd. You know what will feel delicious to me? Watching that fat, ugly face cry bitter tears and get all swollen up.

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    Baud says:

    CHUCK TODD: Pretend successful? You don’t think–


    Yes, Chuck, she’s talking about you.

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    pat says:

    I simply do not understand why she is viewed as a flawed, ineffectual candidate. Every time I see or hear her, she sounds prepared, speaks in complete sentences, makes a hell of a lot of sense, and one can actually imagine her as President.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @joel hanes:
    He has never, as far as we know, strangled a hooker while having sex with one.
    He has not actually taken candy from a baby
    He has not supported armed rebellion against the US government
    He has not exposed himself to children in Central Park

    Thats just off the top of my head, there may be other things as least as praise-worthy.

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    redshirt says:

    @joel hanes: He was in the 1994 Little Rascals movie…..

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    redshirt says:

    @pat: Because Whitewater Blowjobs Vince Foster Lesbian Benghazi Etc…. I.E. Republican propaganda.

    They may not know how to govern, but they know propaganda.

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    He criticized Bush II for the mess in Iraq and did not give him a pass on 9/11 attacks.

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    NotMax says:

    Gawd, I detest hashtags.


    Goodly number here have an intimate relationship with avoirdupois. Just sayin’.

  14. 14
    LAO says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: you have set a very high bar for Mr. Trump.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: it would be irresponsible not to speculate

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    I assume that is sarcasm since he was fine with it until it became obvious Boy Blunder had screwed the pooch

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    And he needs to release the tranacripts of his Wall Street speeches too…no, wait.

    Bernie or Bust!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Schlemazel Khan:
    He seems very devoted to the opposum on his head

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    zzyzx says:

    He prevented President Cruz, so there’s that.

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    @Schlemazel Khan: I don’t like DT and think he is thoroughly unqualified for the job. Having said that I did like the he criticized Bush’s Iraq debacle and the claims that Bush kept us safe. Both things that MSM is loathe to admit even to this date.

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    mike in dc says:

    He’s done a fantastic job mobilizing Latinos to register to vote.

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    Punchy says:

    @redshirt: You dont win elections on policy, you win on propaganda. (HUGE) Advantage GOP.

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    Ian says:

    Someone has to be the adult.

    Fun statement, thanks for mocking my firmly held political beliefs. AL, you know that most Sander’s supporters (other than vocal internet trolls) are going to vote for HRC. So why do you nightly choose provoke your friends and allies and lump us in with these above said trolls?

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    Elie says:


    Ok — got it… apologies — Just so you know, if he was skinny and ugly I would say his skinny, ugly ass. He is ugly. Outside and most importantly inside. Unfortunately, there are quite a few people around him like that too.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    That is a mixed blessing. The GOP will very quickly deny Drumpf once he loses. Crudz would have been much more one of theirs without plausible deniability; Cruz would have been much more devastating to the GOP than Drumpf.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: He seems very attached to his daughter.

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    OT Open House Update
    The good:
    Finished basement
    Updated masterbath

    The bad:
    Messy yard
    Outdated kitchen with rickety cabinets
    Not enough light in some of the rooms.

    The search continues..

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    redshirt says:

    @joel hanes: Great first pitch in that first baseball game after 9/11.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    I get that but Drumpf didn’t ding Boy Blunder on those issues until it was obvious to all but the kool-aide drunk morons. I can’t give him a full pass on that. Id he better on this issue than say Crudz or Krusty? Sure but THAT is a really low bar.

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    I simply do not understand why she is viewed as a flawed, ineffectual candidate.

    25 years of Republican smears will do that.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Praiseworthy from Trump…? In the late nineties he saw past the right wing propaganda on late-term abortion, which put him a step ahead of Mr Mary Metalin. In 2009 he supported Keynesian economics, and even after his birther breakdown he supported Obama on common sense gun control

    Donald J. TrumpVerified account
    ‏@ realDonaldTrump
    President Obama spoke for me and every American in his remarks in #Newtown Connecticut.

    href=”#comment-5815007″>redshirt: @joel hanes: He was in the 1994 Little Rascals movie…..

    for a minute I thought you meant Chuck….

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    BD of MN says:


    He seems very attached to his daughter.

    Family Values!!!

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    japa21 says:

    @Ian: What makes you think she was even alluding to Sanders? Obviously, it is Clinton vs Trump. There is no other option. Of the two, who is the adult?

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    How much would it cost to put a gas stove top and replace the electric stove top.

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    redshirt says:

    @Ian: Are you a Sanders troll? If not, no worries.

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    WarMunchkin says:

    That’s a pretty bad headline from The Hill.

    “Well, certainly, we’re going to talk with him when he’s ready to talk, and listen to him. And we will take into account what he is asking for,” Clinton said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I think that’s part of the process.”

    To my eyes/ears, the difference between the headline and the quote is sharp.

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    lamh36 says:

    hello…is this thing on?

    so I got a new router/midterm last week and now it appears I can’t post to BJ from my Apple devices when I am logged into my home wifi…

    what gives..,.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    Like Oedipus admired his mother! Family values all the way!!

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    A Ghost To Most says:

    Where the fuck did that come from? Nobody, from AL down, was talking about BS. It was about tRump. BS is no longer part of the discussion.

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    Chuck Todd somehow tries to portray himself as some kind of disinterested observer, but his constant sucking up to the Donald is shameless. I am not sure why Dems give Todd any access at all. He should be treated like Fox News, a propaganda arm of the Republican party.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    True story, I’ve got a Bernie or bust friend. It’s a work friend and he’s constantly bringing up the fact that I’m a Hillary supporter at work. I don’t normally like to talk politics at work and I made a mistake by doing this (although he started it) My little project is to at least talk him down from being a BOB. He’s younger than me, in his late 20s or early 30s and I’m pushing 60. He says he hates and can’t vote for Hillary. I’ve pointed out to him that 30 years of right wing propaganda agrees with him. He’s an intelligent and actually fun dude to talk to. It’s just this glaring blind spot, partially why I’m bringing this up is because it’s a fairly common situation. He is also very delusional about Bernie’s chances. Any thoughts on how to approach this?

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    Lamh36 says:

    testing…1,2,3 wifi off…

    ETA: hmmm tried to post with wifi on and nope… didn’t work

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @AnotherBruce: He says he hates and can’t vote for Hillary.

    is he specific about what he hates so much?

    @lamh36: @Lamh36: I see your posts

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    “CHUCK TODD: –is there anything Donald Trump’s done that you think should be praised?”

    Has Toad ever asked Trump if there was anything praiseworthy about Secretary Clinton? Or does he just save these type of asinine questions for Democrats? What a stupid question.

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    hovercraft says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    He’s criticizing him now but at the time he was praising the invasion. Just as he was on the sidelines criticizing Obama for not getting rid of that tin can dictator a few years ago. So no that is not praiseworthy. Ant momentarily positive moment is always preceded or succeeded by a bad one.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @AnotherBruce: It must be nice to be a White cisgender male who will suffer zero consequences if Trump becomes President. Must really be nice. Millions of Americans don’t have that luxury.

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    debbie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Good article, but the GOP’s “weird kind of pity” referred to in the first paragraph was directed toward themselves, not to Trump’s followers. They’re too self-involved to give a crap about anyone other than themselves.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: those post are all from when I turn off my home wifi…

    when I’m on wifi there is no post

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    zzyzx says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: However that also means that Cruz ’20 is more likely which should be another free win!

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    lollipopguild says:

    @joel hanes: He had an amazing ability to destroy the other GOP candidates. They went down one by one and some of them-Jeb! went a lot quicker than I thought they would.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @AnotherBruce: If the basis is the Iraq War authorization, acknowledge that she got it wrong but that the approach to war and peace in the Bill Clinton years or when she was Sec’y of State certainly wasn’t bellicose. If the basis is something something Wall Street, remind him that she represented the state that contains Wall Street and didn’t show any particular favoritism to Wall Street once in office. If he persists, he’s just a dick, move on.

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    hovercraft says:

    Ask him what the most important things are for him, and then walk him through point by point through Trumps ever changing positions/ lies.
    Also point out that the GOP has been calling Hilary a socialist for thirty years because of her liberal positions/ record.

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    @schrodinger’s cat:
    It depends on whether there’s a gas line to the location already. If there is, it’s basically the cost of the new stovetop. If not but there’s already gas on the premises, it would probably be a few hundred dollars. If there isn’t gas on the premises, it would be very expensive. As a practical alternative, I would recommend a modern induction cooktop. They combine the best features of gas and electric stoves; the only drawback is they only work with pots that you can stick a magnet to.

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    NotMax says:


    But all of us can see you through the camera so much better when you’re on the wi-fi.


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    redshirt says:

    @Roger Moore: Gas stoves are a real plus when you lose power.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    Best line of many great lines, because it is historically accurate and so relevant to our friends on the left

    He’s not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn’t. But then Hitler wasn’t Hitler—until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance. It depended on conservatives pretending he wasn’t so bad, compared with the Communists, while at the same time the militant left decided that their real enemies were the moderate leftists, who were really indistinguishable from the Nazis. The radical progressives decided that there was no difference between the democratic left and the totalitarian right and that an explosion of institutions was exactly the most thrilling thing imaginable.

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    @A Ghost To Most:

    Nobody, from AL down, was talking about BS.

    AL was talking about BS, at least in the first tweet she quoted. And that combined with the “somebody has to be the adult” could reasonably be construed as a dig at Bernie. This Clintonite thinks it’s a reasonable dig at Bernie, who has been acting like a spoiled child recently, but it is a dig.

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    Percysowner says:

    Something praiseworthy about Donald Trump. “He hired a half decent caterer for his most recent wedding”?

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    Hasn’t she suspended her campaign yet?

    I mean after the Charleston gaffe, and the saying-nice-things-about-Nancy-Reagan gaffe, and Vennghazi! and Jeffrey Epstein’s airplane can’t she figure out she’s doomed? That plus being behind with real delegates, and real voters, that is.

    Bernado! Unido! Jamas sera vencidos!

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Not really, although he did mention something a friend mentioned about Hillary starting the up the Kenyan birth certificate thing. By the way, holy shit, I just looked this up and it came from Breitbart. Here is a quote by Politifact about this. There is no record that Clinton herself or anyone within her campaign ever advanced the charge that Obama was not born in the United States. I think I need to sit with the guy over a beer and explain what happened with the Clintons in the 90’s. I’m also going to challenge him to read the two interviews in the New York Daily news. Compare Bernie’s interview with Clinton’s. I think the contrast is stark. I just hope the guy isn’t too far gone.

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    @Roger Moore: No gas line, this out in the country, will have to get a propane tank.

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    Anonymous At Work says:

    If Clinton can keep making comments like that about Trump, Bill might get bumped down to 5th in the batting order at taking whacks at Trump (Obama, Warren, Biden, Hillary, then Bill!). When Bill Clinton is batting 5th in your political lineup, that’s impressive.

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    NotMax says:


    Don’t many new ones use electronic igniters in place of the pilot light?

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @Roger Moore:
    No, I think that tweet at the top is very separate from the rest which is all about the Drumpster fire. I could be wrong but then again it does not feel like it.

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    burnspbesq says:


    thanks for mocking my firmly held political beliefs

    Grow up. No one is mocking your firmly held political beliefs. We’re mocking the shitty vessel into which you’ve chosen to pour them this year, and the bizarre combination of sanctimonious assholes and naive kids you’re chose to associate with.

    Show up with a viable candidate next time and you might get somewhere with your agenda.

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    rikyrah says:

    I was just another reporter sent to cover radicalization in Minneapolis. Then 2 local Somalis took me on a tour
    May 22, 2016

    It wasn’t hard to see who the outsiders in the courtroom seemed to be. All the jurors were white, the prosecutors white, the FBI agents white. Most of the reporters were white, including me.

    Mohamed … Abdihamid … Farah.
    Adbirahman … Yasin… Daud.
    Guled … Ali… Omar.

    U.S. District Judge Michael J. Davis struggled as he announced the three Somali American defendants’ full names, pronouncing them phonetically from a criminal indictment as if he were a student of a new language.

    Last week, opening arguments began in downtown Minneapolis in the trial of three local young men charged with plotting to travel to Syria and fight for the Islamic State, and I felt as if I was missing the full picture.

    These weren’t foreigners, strangers, outsiders. These were hometown kids who went to local schools, now young men in their early 20s.

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    @redshirt: You can also control the heat far better than the electric cook top, which I hate and have been stuck with for the past 4 years or so.

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    RSA says:

    @joel hanes:

    (Some of my R friends used to challenge me to say something, anything positive about W. I had two: he’s very fit, and the Pacific marine reserves he established are a Very Good Thing.)

    The same thing happened with me, and I was unable to come up with anything. But now I’d say his HIV/AIDS work in Africa. That was a pretty big thing, and it made the world a better place.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    We really should start a list, this is getting to be something he could be proud of

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    Gas stoves are a real plus when you lose power.

    The relevance of which depends greatly on how often you lose power. It’s not a big concern of mine because the power around here seems to be extremely reliable; I haven’t lost power for more than a few hours since moving to Pasadena 25 years ago. OTOH, I do have a propane camp stove in my emergency kit, so I’m not completely unprepared.

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    rikyrah says:

    Jeffrey WrightVerified account
    Allegedly (per Zimmerman via BBC), a woman bought the gun used to kill Trayvon Martin for $250k as birthday gift to her son. #GiveMeStrength

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Schlemazel Khan:

    He has not actually taken candy from a baby

    As far as we know.

    He has not supported armed rebellion against the US government

    Yet, or openly. It’s one of the few things he seems to understand must be a dog whistle.

    He has not exposed himself to children in Central Park

    Again, as far as we know, though to be fair it is far less likely than his having taken candy from a baby.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Yes I’ve thought of that. It’s a huge disconnect with the Sandernistas, that minorities support Clinton. They will be paying the price if Trump gets elected. If you call yourself a Democrat, you have to be compassionate enough to realize this.

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    burnspbesq says:


    Any thoughts on how to approach this?

    Bring an extra box of Kleenex to work on 6/8. After NJ and CA, your friend’s going to need them.

    Then be patient while he grieves.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @mike in dc:

    He’s done a fantastic job mobilizing Latinos to register to vote.

    The winning entry, in my view.

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    Poopyman says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Since I fit that description, no, it won’t be nice, because this is my fucking country too.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @RSA: A smaller thing that was good was that Bush started the do not call list. It still works today but you have to update the request every so often.

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    There’s a tiny scrap of truth buried in the lies about the birth certificate. The Obama campaign originally released it not in response to Republican questions about his citizenship but in response to rumors- supposedly started by Hillary supporters- that his middle name was actually Mohamed, not Hussein.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    I can’t think of anything in Chuckles the Toddler’s background that is praiseworthy, either.

    That’s just one of the reasons why he has such a low tumbrel manifest number.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @burnspbesq: Well I’ve been gently breaking that to him, but I still want to get him to vote for Hillary. But this reminds me to ask him what should he do if Bernie endorses Hillary?

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    RSA says:

    @AnotherBruce: I didn’t know that. Thanks. Yes, that was a good thing, even if it’s not perfect; it’s a precedent.

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    Don’t many new ones use electronic igniters in place of the pilot light?

    You can still light them with a flame from a match or cigarette lighter.

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    El Caganer says:

    @srv: Would this be the same Ben Domenech who rose to fame by plagiarizing from Doughy Pantload? I always thought that was a truly impressive achievement.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
    A good catch. I had thought that myself after it was too late to fix but you are 100% correct.
    So, this is what I have so far:
    He has never, as far as we know, strangled a hooker while having sex with one.
    He has not, as far as we know, actually taken candy from a baby
    He has not, as far as we know, supported armed rebellion against the US government
    He has not, as far as we know, exposed himself to children in Central Park
    He was in the 1994 Little Rascals movie
    He seems very devoted to the opossum on his head
    He prevented President Cruz, which some of us see as a positive
    He’s done a fantastic job mobilizing Latinos to register to vote
    He seems very attached to his daughter.
    It has been reported he hired a half decent caterer for his most recent wedding

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    JPL says:

    @AnotherBruce: My son recently said that Bern was right about the super delegates. I mentioned that it was unfortunate that the Bern signed onto the rules in place for thirty plus years, and changed his mind cuz he was losing. Someone earlier mentioned that California should change their rules about registering as a dem. When does this fine fellow, take responsibility for not notifying his supporters about important dates.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @AnotherBruce: although he did mention something a friend mentioned about Hillary starting the up the Kenyan birth certificate thing

    wow he’s in deep, I didn’t buy that even at the height of the Great Poo Flinging of ’08, where I served in the MyDD theatre, pre-Strike.

    (Remember the Strike?)

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    @Schlemazel Khan:

    No, I think that tweet at the top is very separate from the rest which is all about the Drumpster fire.

    But it isn’t all about Trump. The first quote is about when she’s going to talk to Bernie, and then there’s something about whether she’d accept Mark Cuban as her VP. The Trump stuff is only at the end.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
    Certainly the winner for Hillary and the nation

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    Elie says:


    I have a young colleague where I volunteer who is Bernie or Bust. I just try to keep the conversation positive — about how important that we have an open dialogue and that its most important to defeat Trump because…. Its hard cause she does not consider herself a democrat, but someone who was brought into the campaign by Bernie. I try to talk to her about taking those issues and activating them through supporting not only Bernie but downticket races where she can support the policies… Its a work in progress but I just try to get along with her on other parts of our relationship …so there is no added spillover from THAT at least…

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    burnspbesq says:


    If you’re my age or a little older, you may remember a singer-songwriter named Emmit Rhodes. Signed a brutally oppressive contract with ABC/Dunhill, made two great records in 1970-71, and disappeared in a haze of litigation. Now, 45 years later, he’s back, and his new record, “Rainbow Ends,” is ridiculously good.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Roger Moore: How supposed were those questions? I’m not dismissing them, just wondering if any names were named?

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    Wait two months. That’s not a joke. Give him time to not be emotionally invested in fighting a losing fight, and get distance he can use for objectivity.

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    Wapiti says:

    In Drumph’s defense, as a young man he quickly recognized that the Viet Nam War was a horrible travesty that was just going to get more American men killed.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @RSA: That’s a good point; thanks. While I resented the abstinence spending requirement in those government programs, there were really positive achievements. And it was brave to be a GOP office holder and take those stands, though the “little babies don’t need to die from malaria,” probably was an easier sell to the IGMFY crowd.

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    NotMax says:

    @Roger Moore

    Not so with the countertop one Mom has (some European brand). A safety thingy kicks in to cut off the gas if the igniter isn’t operational.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    for sure! Child brides will be a real winner for Drumpf because he is the only candidate opposing it and such a YOOOOGE supporter of womens issues

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    dollared says:

    @Roger Moore: Tin ear.. Listens mainly to DC and NY Media and politicians to define policy. Ignores all working people, of all origins except she now claims to like some black people even though she demonized them in word and deed all through the 90s and 2000s. Does not “get” that it is inconsistent with the values of the Democratic Party to support foreign military juntas in repressing the democratic desires of their citizens. claims Henry Kissinger as a friend. These are all really stupid things to do if you want to be a popular and effective national politician.

    In sum, just because you sound smart does not mean you are a good politician or a good Democrat. That’s why everyone one BJ is so worried that Bernie will point this out, and so they urgently wish he would go away.

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    raven says:

    The mate on the boat I was on today asked pretty early in the trip who I supported. I was truthful and said I didn’t like HIllary, she’ll bomb the shit out of the first thing that moves if she gets elected and there is no way I’d vote for Trump. His main argument was “if you like things the way they are that is who you should vote for.” It then was a laundry list of complaints about fishing regulations and the VA. When I told him I was a Vet and had no problem with the VA he seemed shocked. All he sees is vets begging on corners and Mexicans on welfare and getting prompt medical care! I had not intention os spending a deep seas fishing trip arguing about thus stuff so it pretty much died but it was a good glimpse of what’s happening, BTW this dude is a retired school teacher working the boats because he loves being on the water. Besides the political shit he was a great mate and really took care of the other people on the boat who were new to the deep sea thing.

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    NotMax says:


    Wow, now that’s a real flash from the past.

    Catchy tune of his from back in the day.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AnotherBruce: Just give him a copy of Conason’s The Hunting of a President. It’ll be easier on you.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Had one of those for our place up in the mountains of NM. Was never an issue. We also had one of those insta-hot tankless gas fired water heaters, which was amazing!

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @MikeBoyScout: You keep saying that. In every thread you can.

    And you can’t (IMHO) say it often enough.

    The stakes are too high for us not to get everyone we can registered & then to the polls. No matter what obstacles the Thugs throw in our way,

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    dollared says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): +1. Really wish she would have said it. Would have enjoyed the look on Chuckie’s face.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @FlipYrWhig: Those are probably the two most Hillary opponents quote. But you’re basically right about the 90’s Clintons. It was mostly peace and prosperity. With a lot of right wing attacks.

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    WaterGirl says:


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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: That’s good advice. Although I get the vibe that I should wait until after the convention to go that route.

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    StellaB says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I second the induction cooktop. They are just as controllable as gas. Plus, the propane doesn’t embody as much energy as natural gas, so the propane cooktops aren’t quite as powerful as natural gas. Also, the propane always runs out when you’re cooking for a party. Somehow it knows.

    When we moved into this house, I didn’t think twice about putting in an induction unit like I had in my old house. My parents did the same thing when they moved. They took out a gas cooktop both times. It’s so much more comfortable to cook with induction vs. an old-fashioned open flame. Easier to clean too.

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    Honus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: a 100 gallon propane tank will run a cooktop for a year if you cook every day.

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    Honus says:

    @NotMax: yes, but you can also light the burners with a match.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: A few questions:

    Which of these devices have the problem posting with wi-fi? A mac computer? an iPhone? an iPad?

    Can you get to balloon juice from all your apple device?, You can get to BJ jut can’t compose a comment, or you can get to BJ and type in a comment but nothing happens when you press post?

    Do you know if you are set up to use static IP addresses for wireless or DHCP?

    Is it just a BJ problem or do you have issues with other websites?

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    J R in WV says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    IF there’s gas service to the house, peanuts compared to the cost of a house. One of the most expensive brands (Thermador) runs from $1500 up to about $4000. Install, that depends on your location too much for someone from away to make a guess.

    If the house doesn’t have gas service, that’s a whole ‘nother ball game. Plumbing etc for propane would be a project.

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    smith says:

    I think that people will work through the grief process in time to do the right thing in Nov. Several of our resident passionate Bernistas have been mellowing, accepting the now-obvious outcome and discussing some realistc ways to build on the surprising success of Bernie’s message. Last night even Johnathan Livingston Hollandaise-Bechamel seemed to be moving into the bargaining phase…

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    Tom Q says:

    @dollared: ” Ignores all working people, of all origins except she now claims to like some black people even though she demonized them in word and deed all through the 90s and 2000s.”

    I’m going to give you benefit of doubt and assume you’re plug-ignorant. Because that is as bald-faced a lie as I’ve seen anyone post here in some time.

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    Emma says:

    @dollared: You know, your version of AA’s lives under Clinton is oddly different than their own. Go figure.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    This is a good passage: “He’s not Hitler, as his wife recently said? Well, of course he isn’t. But then Hitler wasn’t Hitler—until he was. At each step of the way, the shock was tempered by acceptance.”

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    Shantanu Saha says:

    @srv: You should be very careful about mentioning “useful idiots” in your comments here.

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    ThresherK says:

    @RSA: It’s the one unalloyed thing. However, one great novelty hit won’t get a band into the rock and roll HoF.

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    Mary G says:

    DT doesn’t completely demonize Planned Parenthood and he does sometimes demonize Bush/Cheney. That debate with Jeb! was awesome.

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    Walker says:

    @Tom Q

    This is borderline racist revisionism created by the Bernie campaign. His supporters have been pushing this lie for a long time.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Roger Moore: Get one of those butane lighters with a long schnozz for lighting charcoal grills, keep it in a safe place handy to the range, & yer still cooking (& for that matter, heating) when the juice is out. I’ve got one in a kitchen drawer that I bought in a dollar store.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @MikeBoyScout: Yes we can and Yes we better! No Trump!

    @Wapiti: So he used his privilege as a rich kid to avoid serving in Vietnam. How neat!

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Never read it, But i remember Joe Conason. Wonder what he’s up to these days?

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    debbie says:

    I don’t know who this Nora person is who’s interviewing Valerie Jarrett on 60 Minutes, but she’s a total bitch. She must be angling for a job with Fox.

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    JMG says:

    Hillary Clinton, through no fault of her own, is every disappointment every white man over 35 has ever suffered in his life. It’s a very high bar to carry.

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    Applejinx says:

    @smith: Really? Huh. The real question is how hard Hillary wants to go after co-opting us and having us become as dogmatically loyal as the black vote. ‘cos that didn’t happen for nothing, it apparently was earned.

    It would be a nice tactical move, even strategic. Nail down the Millennial vote and her legacy is assured.

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    Schlemazel Khan says:

    I just sent them an email. That was the most offensive interview I have ever seen on 60 Minutes. It was a joke

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    How supposed were those questions? I’m not dismissing them, just wondering if any names were named?

    From the Wikipedia article (which has some details I hadn’t remembered):

    During the Democratic Party’s 2008 presidential primaries, anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton surfaced that questioned Obama’s citizenship in an attempt to revive Clinton’s faltering primary election campaign. These and numerous other chain e-mails during the subsequent presidential election circulated false rumors about Obama’s origin, religion and birth certificate.[26][27]

    Jim Geraghty of the conservative website National Review Online may have sparked further speculation on June 9, 2008, when he asked that Obama release his birth certificate.[28][29] Geraghty wrote that releasing his birth certificate could debunk several false rumors circulating on the Internet, namely: that his middle name was originally Muhammad rather than Hussein; that his mother had originally named him “Barry” rather than “Barack”; and that Barack Obama, Sr. was not his biological father, as well as the rumor that Barack Obama was not a natural-born citizen.[29][30][31]

    So there were questions about his citizenship during the primary and not just about his name.

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    Trapped in Ohio says:

    You’re such a fucking piece of shit.

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    JMG says:

    @Applejinx: What DO you want? I mean, policy that isn’t fantasyland? Otherwise, II put you in the “my life disappoints me” school of American voter.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Praiseworthy thing about about Trump?
    Hmmm… He’s the best thing that the Democratic Party could have inflicted on the GOP. The damage will go on for years.

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    smith says:

    @Applejinx: Not thinking about Hillary’s future so much as the future of the party. What Bernie has accomplished represents an opening for candidates with a more progressive agenda. The fact that millennials are enthusiastic about politics when it offers them something tangible will not, in my opinion, be overlooked by the party, and those more progressive candidates will find it easier to get the support, money, and most importantly, the credibility they need. If Bernie’s supporters stay the course they will eventually win.

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    Easier to clean too.

    This. I have never had an easier stove to clean than my induction range. It’s smooth top, and it only heats up because there’s a hot pot sitting on it, so food splatters never burn on. You just wipe it off, maybe use a little bit of the glass-top stove cleaner if there’s a particularly stubborn stain, and you’re good to go.

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    redshirt says:

    @Villago Delenda Est: I can! Before Obama clinched the nomination in 2008, conservative media was very pro-Obama. Drudge is the best example, but an up and coming Chuck Todd is another great example. As an early adopter Obot I initially loved Chuck Todd. Until I figured out how the game works.

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    redshirt says:

    @smith: The fact that Bernie himself has done absolutely nothing to help fellow travelers says everything one should need to know about Bernie.

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    gwangung says:

    @smith: a lot of the pushback Appkejinx gets IMHO is for the positions he used to have, but not the ones he’s developed into.

    Sorta like how a lot Of Sanders supporters treat Zcljnton.

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    ThresherK says:

    @redshirt: conservative media was very pro-any Democrat in second place.

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    redshirt says:

    @ThresherK: Agreed. Thus, Bernie’s great personality ratings.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @debbie: O’Donnell? late of MSNBC? I remember her indignant interview with Cindy Sheehan, that CS would dare take on our very popular president! Beyond the fact that his alleged popularity was supposed to insulate him from questions about his war, Bush was in the mid-40s and declining at the time.

    @Applejinx: @smith: Really? Huh. The real question is how hard Hillary wants to go after co-opting us

    I’m confident she’ll sign all the super-progressive legislation Bernie! gets passed after all you mill-youngs apparate on Mitch McConnell’s lawn. Don’t forget to hold some giant puppets in reserve to caper about Claire McCaskill’s and Joe Manchin’s houses.

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    Baud says:


    I was truthful and said I didn’t like HIllary,

    I think she’s likeable enough.

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    Elie says:


    And every envy of a lot of white women — she overcame what they couldn’t. Black women completely understand her. Their old man not quite doing it at home but carrying it on anyway and protecting the home, the kids and the name (the brand with head up and no shame. Fuck YEAH!

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    Baud says:

    @Roger Moore:

    anonymous e-mails from supporters of Hillary Clinton


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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    andrew kaczynski ‏@ BuzzFeedAndrew 1h1 hour ago
    LOL, what!? This is categorically false. Romney, McCain both led in polls at certain points (Romney in many):andrew kaczynski added,
    –Ari Fleischer @ AriFleischer
    –Say what you will, but Donald Trump now has something no Republican POTUS candidate has had since 2004 – a lead.

    I don’t know Kaczynski, but I’m glad to see some pushback against a talking point I’m guessing we’re going to be seeing/hearing a lot this week.

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    I think conservative media is rabidly, reflexively anti-Clinton more than anything. They really do suffer from CDS that goes beyond their reflexive dislike for everything the Democrats do.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Me, too.

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes, that’s her. She was rude, she interrupted, and she practically accused Jarrett of forcing most of Obama’s inner circle out. O’Reilly-style behavior.

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    redshirt says:

    @Baud: I understand that reference!

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @debbie: I follow politics pretty closely, quite a bit of right wing jibber-jabber oozes on to my radar, I am aware of many Villager tropes about Obama… I have never for the life of me understood how/why Valerie Jarrett got built up into such a closet-monster among the ‘wingers and those inclined to share their obsessions.

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    Fair Economist says:


    This is what I love about Hillary that she does so well. These little back handed compliments and jabs.

    “…when I lost a much closer race to Senator Obama”
    “…businesspeople who are really successful as opposed to pretend successful”
    “…we have to get below the hype. We have to find what the reality is…”

    Obviously she learned something from her years in the South.

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    smith says:

    @redshirt: Haven’t some of his supporters been organizing to help Senate candidates in pivotal races? Even the effort to primary DWS is worth supporting, not because she “rigged” the presidential primary, but because her politics are loathsome. And there are more DINOs, some in very safe blue seats, who could use the same. This is what I meant in my original comment — some Bernistas are looking at realistic ways to build on what has been started this year.

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    dww44 says:

    @debbie:@Schlemazel Khan:
    I came upstairs specifically to weigh in on that interview. I’ve long known where Nora O’Donnell’s sympathies lie (she’s a co-host on their weekday Morning show) but her line of questioning tonight and her tone were simply out of line. Jarrett kept her cool and never got angry and pushed back in the nicest possible way.

    I hope that someone will post a link to it and maybe even front-page the whole interview. O’ Donnell kept pushing the meme that it’s Obama’s fault that Republicans haven’t gone to White House social events and that relations between him and the Congress are so frosty specifically because of Obama? The expression in her eyes when she made those statements gave her game away. I mean, what has that woman been drinking?

    I am really pissed and I hope that more of you will watch the interview in its entirety and will weigh in with 60 Minutes. Perhaps we ought to copy the President of CBS News on our emails of complaint. I might even go to the trouble of mailing that person a written letter of complaint.

    I do not recall anyone on 60 Minutes or in the MSM treating Condoleezza Rice like that in the last year of GWB’s Presidency? If she got grilled like that, I don’t recall it.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Elie: She strikes me as a actual human being whom I can relate to as opposed to almost all Repthugs who I cannot and will not relate to. The same for her husband Bill and out secret Mooslim terroist Prez. Give me a real person warts and all.

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    RK says:

    Clinton can come off as imperious and humorless. Incessant Republican bashing and sexism are not by themselves the cause of her likeability problem.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @AnotherBruce: He and Gene Lyons are still doing their thing. Lyons, I think, still in Little Rock and Conason is, I think, at the National Memo.

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    redshirt says:

    It’s weird but I’ve liked Hillary more and more every year since the Sinbad saga. It’s all been up ever since.
    Like, I genuinely like her now. She gets it. That’s so important.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yup, The Hunting of the President should be required reading this election season.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:


    Clinton can come off as imperious and humorless. Incessant Republican bashing and sexism are not by themselves the cause of her likeability problem.

    Well, she suffers by comparison to Bill, who could charm the pants…who could charm the birds out of the trees.

    It’s a high bar. I’d rather have someone tough and serious as president even if she’s harder to warm up to as a candidate.

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    Yutsano says:

    @RK: [citation needed]

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I have never for the life of me understood how/why Valerie Jarrett got built up into such a closet-monster among the ‘wingers and those inclined to share their obsessions.

    She’s a powerful black woman. That’s unforgivable to wingnuts.

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    Technocrat says:


    We already elected a guy you could have a beer with. I’d rather not have that as a criterion.

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    gwangung says:

    @Roger Moore: Threatening to a lot of other people, too, despite their surface declarations.

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    SRW1 says:


    Eurosceptic, anti-immigration Freedom Party candidate Norbert Hofer won Austria’s Presidential election with 51.9 percent of the vote, official data from the Ministry of the Interior states.

    Dude that’s the results of the votes cast on election day. There’s about 800,000 absentee votes still to be counted on Monday (approx 14% of all votes cast).

    Absentee voting from the first ballot round suggests that Höfer will likely have a smaller share than his opponent, such that current projections have the two candidates most probably separated by a few hundred votes and the result too close to call.

    Thanks anyway for spreading your usual misinformation BS.

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    I was an Obot in 08 and I like Hillary because she learns from her mistakes. She is tough and she is a survivor. She may not be the cuddliest person but she is formidable and smart.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: They have to create monsters where none exist.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @dww44: I do not recall anyone on 60 Minutes or in the MSM treating Condoleezza Rice like that in the last year of GWB’s Presidency? If she got grilled like that, I don’t recall it.

    Sweet Christ, I remember Katie Couric’s puff piece, I can still hear Couric’s voice near breathless with admiration: “This lady is scary smart, and hates disorder…” Iraq was pretty much completely in flames as it aired

    Good ol’ Media Matters, this was in September, 2006, and it was 60 Minutes

    During a profile of “scary smart,” ” ‘girly’ and fun” Condoleezza Rice, broadcast on 60 Minutes, Katie Couric let Rice make, without challenge, a series of false and misleading statements about the Bush administration’s decision to invade Iraq and its use of prewar intelligence, as well as the war’s effect on global instability. Couric tossed Rice softball questions, such as, “Is it hard for you to have a social life?” “[H]ow does one go about asking the secretary of state out on a date?” […]
    During the interview, Rice asserted that the Bush administration’s foreign policy has made the “world … safer because we’re finally confronting these terrorists,” and stated that “we’ve done a great deal to … begin to lay that foundation” for a “democratic and prosperous and … truly stable” Middle East. At no point, however, did Couric mention Osama bin Laden, Al Qeada, or any of Bush’s specific counterterrorism policies.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Do you smell rodent copulation?

    ETA: In 2008, Republicans really, really wanted to run against Obama, rather than the Hilbeast.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    She may not be the cuddliest person

    Cuddly comes in around 113,608 on the list of qualities I want in a president.

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    aimai says:

    @AnotherBruce: That is absolutely a strong belief of the bernie people–people say it over at Kos all the fucking time and I haven’t bothered to challenge them because how can you prove a negative?

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    SRW1 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    In a somewhat related topic, The Guardian and The Independent have several articles today that the report of the Chilcott inquiry into Britain’s participation in the Iraq war will come out at the beginning of July and will absolutely slaughter Tony Blair and Jack Straw.

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    redshirt says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’d put cuddly about 63. It’s important, but not critical.

    Ex. Barack Obama is like a 1% on the cuddly scale. W. ranks fairly high too unfortunately.

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    dww44 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Thanks for posting that link. And here’s one to tonight’s Jarrett Interview.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Cuddly comes in around 113,608 on the list of qualities I want in a president.

    But it’s pretty high on the list with my cocker spaniel.

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    Yutsano says:

    A little cheer for Betty Cracker and other Floridian Juicers.

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    aimai says:

    @Applejinx: Jeezus christ are you still pretending that Hillary hasn’t offered the millenials everything that Bernie has and a warm embrace to boot? There’s basically zero difference between their platforms, no matter how much the enormous narcissism of small differences implies otherwise.

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    patroclus says:

    Justin Trudeau is cuddly.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: And I bet formidable and smart aren’t really high on that list.

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    SRW1 says:


    Maybe lil’ Marco has a good reason after all why he isn’t running for his Senate seat again.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: Mine too, otherwise I would want Yogi kitteh to be Purrsident!

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Cuddly comes in around 113,608 on the list of qualities I want in a president.

    Now you tell me.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    In fairness, I misremembered O’Donnell’s interview with Cindy Sheehan, July 2006

    O’DONNELL: Welcome back to Hardball. Cindy Sheehan is America’s most outspoken anti-war activist. But does she speak for America, or just the fringes? She’s called President Bush “the biggest terrorist in the world,” and she stood side-by-side with socialist dictator Hugo Chavez in Venezuela. Now, she begins a two-month hunger strike to get the American people to join her mission to end the war.
    Welcome to Hardball, Cindy.
    SHEEHAN: Thank you.
    O’DONNELL: Let me begin by asking you, you know, Americans may hate the war, but they don’t necessarily hate the president. How do you expect to get change by going around the world and trashing the president of the United States?
    SHEEHAN: Well, actually, I don’t hate the president, either. And I don’t trash the president; I trash the president’s foreign policy, which is fundamentally and inherently wrong and immoral. And I don’t tell people around the world anything that they don’t know.
    O’DONNELL: But you called him “the biggest terrorist in the world.”
    SHEEHAN: Right.
    O’DONNELL: So you are trashing the president.
    SHEEHAN: Well, you know, he says a terrorist is somebody who kills innocent men, women, and children, and there has been over 100,000 innocent men, women, and children killed in Iraq on his orders.
    O’DONNELL: Cindy, you have just begun a two-month hunger strike. Isn’t this really just more of a publicity stunt?

    she was a good substitute for Tweety back then, who was still in his “sunny nobility” phase

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    starscream says:

    BoB millenials don’t care that Hillary has proposals that help them; for them, it’s as personal as it is for the Republicans. (I am a millenial who was ambivalent until Bernie started discounting every state that he lost for a new reason each time.) St. Bernard established himself as the only honest guy in Washington, which of course is false and five minutes of Googling would reveal his utter hypocrisy. But once he convinced new voters of that, it amplified the media/Republican/Bernie smears on her personal characteristics. I don’t know how he walks it back from there.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Yutsano: Christ, it sounds like FL voters don’t like anybody. Curious what I’ll find when I move down there later this year.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @dww44: The head of CBS news is Les Moonves. This is what he had to say about Donald Trump:

    It may not be good for America, but its good for CBS


    He is not going to care. He wants as much controversy as he can get because it generates revenue.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Ian: I don’t think she’s saying you’re acting like a child. She’s saying Sanders is acting like a child. Because he is.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SRW1: Yep. They are considering, even before the report is released, impeaching Blair in retrospect. They are not amused about this.

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    Helen says:

    @Baud: Yeah I am a bitch and a cynic – decided to really own it – but I am likeable enough. I can haz a cabinet position? While living in Dublin, mind you?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Adam L Silverman: and I believe the current head of their news division is a FoxNews alumnus

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    dww44 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Well, maybe so. But my read of this is that O’Donnell was defending GWB and taking Sheehan to task. It also shows that O’Donnell’s line of quesitoning is designed to get to a conclusion that she’s pre-ordained. In this case that Sheehan was trashing GWB, when Sheehan explained that she wasn’t trashing him, just his foreign policy..

    Tonight she wouldn’t grant any credence to Jarrett’s assertiion that the frosty relations between Obama and Republicans were the result of the GOP’ers fear of the ire of their constituents. Just skated right over it. She decides what she believes and then telegraphs that belief to the viewer, no matter what the subject of her interview says. She has no objectivity.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Wouldn’t surprise me. Once a member of the Village, always a member of the Village.

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    But it’s pretty high on the list with my cocker spaniel.

    I’ll keep that in mind during the next primary for your cocker spaniel.

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    dww44 says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks. I think I will still weigh in with him. Maybe he should be made to work hard for that bonus that he’s gonna make from upping the once proud News division’s ratings.

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    SRW1 says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m a little sceptical that they will go as far as impeaching Blair, but the way the Torrie civil war about the Brexit referendum is going, I could see Cameron conclude that a distraction is needed.

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    redshirt says:

    Can someone give a Brexit quick summary?

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    @Adam L Silverman: How can a Prime Minister be impeached? Usually in a parliamentary system a government loses power if it loses the vote of confidence.

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    Yutsano says:

    @SRW1: I think he thought he couldn’t fail, he could only be failed.

    @El Caganer: It looks like a bit of a bloodbath for politicians in general. Having said that, it is still only May. Way too soon for things to have any kind of shape.

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    Baud says:


    While living in Dublin, mind you?

    You came a long way for the NYC meetup.

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    lollipopguild says:

    @Baud: Baud!2016 as cuddly as you want/need him to be.

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    J R in WV says:


    Yes, they do, but you can still use a match for the stove top taps. Ovens are a problem without power. I finally gave up and had whole house backup power installed, Generac generator with an automatic transfer system, after years or doing it with just a generator and extension cords. It runs on natural gas.

    We’re at the very end (3 houses past us) of a power run into the country, so we’re last to get restored after a weather disaster. That’s OK, we expect down lines that affect hundreds of people to get done first.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Not even eyebrow raising, especially given that John McCain is in a potentially close race (don’t want to oversell that, but I think it’s possible)

    John Podhoretz ‏ @ 5h5 hours ago
    This is genuinely jaw dropping
    –Jeremy Diamond @ JDiamond1
    –NEW: @ LindseyGrahamSC privately urges GOP donors to support @ realDonaldTrump

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    redshirt says:

    If only we could harness the energy of cuddles.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    They didn’t call her Noron O’Donnell for nothing.

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    raven says:

    Hang on, I’m processing some nice sunset shots I took in RAW.

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    Helen says:

    @redshirt: The UK wants to leave the European Union. The amalgamation of the Western European countries. They never joined the Eurozone (those that have the euro as their currency). They kept the pound and good on them. The worst of the depression passed them by. But now they wanna leave it all. I am not an economist. Can’t say what will happen.

    ETA: Brexit is short for Britian Exit.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @SRW1: I am too, seems a little bit of barn door after the horse. But I read interviews with several MPs and they were furious and talking about this retroactive impeachment.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: As in the other EU countries, there is a push on by a vocal minority that being in the EU is not doing anything for Britain and, is in fact, actually a net negative for Britain. This has been pushed, after decades of hemming and hawing – at times by members of the Conservative Party itself – to a popular referendum. The major Euro-skeptic party is the United Kingdom Independence Party (UKIP), which is nativist, anti-continental European, anti-Muslim, anti-Semitic, anti-immigrant, and is being partially funded, as are all the other neo-Nationalist and anti-EU parties and movements by the Putin government.

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    redshirt says:

    @Helen: Sorry, I get all that. I meant more the arguments of each side. For example, on this side of the pond I can’t see any good reason for the UK to leave one of the largest trade areas on Earth. One in which they already have oversized influence.

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    Jack the Second says:

    I know he’s getting up there in years, but has anyone thrown Barney Frank’s name around for the VP slot?

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    Helen says:

    @Baud: Oh no sweetie. I will be in Dublin in November of this year. Surely you can make me part of your cabinet as an ex-pat. Yes? Truly I am a bitch. I promise.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: She’s got a viscous bark, but her tail wags at the same time.

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    J R in WV says:


    So you are talking about Trump… aren’t you? You don’t say a name, but all you say sounds like him to me. Doesn’t care about people, gets all his information from the NYC news media, etc. Must be Trump.


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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Impeachment is when a peer or commoner is accused of ‘high crimes and misdemeanours, beyond the reach of the law or which no other authority in the state will prosecute.’ It is a procedure that is ‘directed in particular against Ministers of the Crown’. The first recorded impeachment was in 1376 and the last in 1806. This procedure is considered obsolete.

    Obsolete or not, it is being talked about:

    The traditional method of British political execution: hanged from the neck until mostly dead, then drawn and quartered by tying the limbs one each to four different horses and being pulled apart, then sever the head, with the severed head placed on a pike at Traitor’s Gate and the other body parts distributed around the country on display as a warning to others to never commit the same offenses again!

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    JPL says:

    @dww44: Thanks for the link. I thought Jarrett did great up against MSM..

    In fact there is an overtime, that is at the same link that is pretty good.

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    SRW1 says:


    Brexit summary:

    Usually well-informed circles, Guardian journalist cough, cough, think that the Brexiteers have lost the economic argument, which is in line with survey results saying that even Tory voters now slightly favor Bremain. It’s quite possible, though, that participation might be low and given that the most likely group to stay home are young people (who in their majority support Bremain) anything may still happen. The tone among pro and contra Brexit Tories is pretty nasty and one of the Tory-supporting Guardian columnists today had a piece speculating about what Cameron might do to Boris Johnson, the ex-London mayor clown who is heading the Brexit campaign and has given Cameron names Tories usually reserve for Labour types.

    ETA: The main argument of the Brexiteers is that they are enslaved by Brussels and will only regain sovereignty by leaving the EU. In reality, a significant portion seem to be little Englanders who can’t get over the fact that Britania doesn’t rule the waves any more. Oh, and Boris Johnson became a Brexiteer because he hopes that Cameron will have to resign if he loses the referendum such that Boris in all his majesty can become PM.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Roger Moore: She’s only nine, so ineligible for any elected office.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Thanks. This is the explanation I was looking for.

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    J R in WV says:


    No, propane is higher energy than natural gas, and burns a little cleaner. Factories pay extra for industrial gas if it’s higher in propane, and gets the oven/furnace/whatever hotter and faster. This is why when you install a stove built for natural gas for use with propane you have to install smaller orifaces for the burners of both the taps and the oven, which isn’t rocket science, but is a pain, even with good directions.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    from the washington post:

    Imagine: Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban one heartbeat away from the presidency.

    The billionaire who also happens to have a reality show says he would listen if either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, the presumptive nominees, approached him.

    “Absolutely,” Cuban replied when Chuck Todd asked him about running with Clinton on Sunday’s “Meet the Press.” “But the key would be she’d have to go more to the center. I like the fact that Senator Clinton has thought-out proposals. That’s a good thing because at least we get to see exactly where she stands. But I think that Senator [Bernie] Sanders has dragged her too far to the left.”

    Clinton’s response? “I think we should look widely and broadly. It’s not just people in elected office. It is successful businesspeople,” Clinton told Todd. “I am very interested in that and I appreciate his openness to it.”

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    JPL says:

    Watch the CBS overtime with Jarrett.. link and compare the two videos.. I wonder who pieced the interview together.

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    Helen says:

    @redshirt: Was about to say “dunno maybe you can ask Adam”. And there you go.

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    J R in WV says:


    Yeah, Roger, “Anonymous emails” from who, again? How do we know they were from Clinton supporters, if they were anonymous, again?


    Good point, baud.

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    Barry says:

    @Schlemazel Khan: “That is a mixed blessing. The GOP will very quickly deny Drumpf once he loses. Crudz would have been much more one of theirs without plausible deniability; Cruz would have been much more devastating to the GOP than Drumpf.”

    They would deny Cruz just as badly.

    I don’t give a rat’s *ss how they whine when they lose, so long as they lose.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: It may also be the big bad in Phase IV of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Can’t say for sure!

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    J R in WV says:


    Actually, most people can come off as unfriendly at times, even you, RK.

    Regarding Hillary Clinton, I’m sure she can come off a little hostile, especially if one hates her to begin with.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @raven: Nice.

    ETA: There really are alot of advantages in shooting RAW.

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    amk says:

    @RK: rrriiight. the guy who you can drink beer with is the ticket.

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    For example, on this side of the pond I can’t see any good reason for the UK to leave one of the largest trade areas on Earth. One in which they already have oversized influence.

    AFAIK, it’s the same basic reason that secessionists everywhere use: they aren’t in complete control of everything and sometimes have to accept decisions they don’t like. A huge part is that they tend to see and resent loss of their sovereignty that interferes with their interests, but they don’t see the interference with other member states’ sovereignty that benefits the UK. There’s also a completely unrealistic promise by the proponents that they’ll be allowed to keep the good parts of EU membership (e.g. all the trade treaties with non-EU members) when they leave.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Roger Moore:

    they aren’t in complete control of everything and sometimes have to accept decisions they don’t like.

    IOW, mental 2-year olds.

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    raven says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I was just going to mention that. It really takes forever to load them into Lightroom and iPhoto doesn’t seem to want anything to do with them.

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    max says:

    Hodor, man.


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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @shomi: Chuck Todd couldn’t buy a picture of a Buckeye Newshawk award

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    SFAW says:


    Yes, but you can always ignite them manually.

    What, do I have to walk across a carpeted floor, take off a sweater, and rub two cats together first, to build up enough of a static charge?

    Because my hands don’t normally ignite flames on their own.

    Or did you mean something else by “manually”?

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    amk says:

    @shomi: or ted baxter.

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    Chucky Toad

    Don’t you mean “Chuck Toady”?

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    burnspbesq says:

    Dodgers and Padres going to the 17th inning. Snicker.

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    J R in WV says:


    Outstanding, wonderful colors! Panama Beach? I forget where you said the one time.

    Beautiful colors.

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    @SFAW: I recommend bunnies instead of cats.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    Because my hands don’t normally ignite flames on their own.

    Bummer. “Cause it’s a pretty cool superpower.

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    @max: Fuck Game of Thrones. Drill a hole in the back of its skull, and fuck it in its skullhole.

    [crawls away weeping]

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    patroclus says:

    RIP Hodor (sob)

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    SFAW says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    I’d rather have Cuban than Dan Snyder, or Jeff Loria, or the Papa John’s asshole.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @J R in WV: When we were remodeling the kitchen a few years ago and installing a gas stove/range, we had to specify the type of gas, and either the factory or the dealer made sure the range was right.

    We put in propane just for this purpose. The install was easy due to the location of the kitchen and the tank. As someone said upthread, we use a lot less than 100 gallons per year.

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    Joel says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: We bought a house with an outdated kitchen. If you go IKEA — specifically during their one a year kitchen sale (used to be twice), you can get everything but the floor — cabinets, appliances, countertops — for under 10K, with another 2K for installation. And that’s going with their mid-higher end stuff. Just something to keep in mind.

    A kitchen remodel is a “big” project but it doesn’t need to cost $50K or whatever the trade associations will have you believe. On the other hand, anything with real electrical, plumbing, or carpentry involved gets expensive a lot faster than people think it will.

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    MomSense says:

    Clinton is clearly the only candidate running who is qualified to be POTUS.

    When Bill was running and while he was President, I always thought that she was by far the better of the two. Her 2008 campaign really turned me against her so it surprises me how much I like her now. In addition to running a much better campaign, it seems to me that she has learned to listen and in the process found her authentic voice.

    I will be very proud to vote for her and so happy that I have the opportunity to vote for the first woman president after voting for the first black president. This is something to celebrate.

    Happily a Hillzilla.

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    Jean says:

    @debbie: I agree. But Valerie hit every question with a great answer. So that was good. “After 7 years, why can’t Obama get any cooperation from Republicans?” Good God. I don’t know how Jarrett kept from astral projecting.

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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Bunnies! Cute little bunnies?

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    I would rather not have- and sincerely doubt I will have- somebody who says he’s open to being VP for either party. It’s the kind of dumb idea radical centrists are always proposing.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @pat: Agreed. Secretary Clinton is fine. She’ll be a great President. It’s amazing to me that anyone claiming to be Progressive could fathom that it’s alright to sit out the election and take the risk that Trump may win.
    It’s unfair to compare the excitement generated by our current President with Secretary Clinton’s campaign. We’re probably not going to get another Obama candidate anytime soon.

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Bummer. “Cause it’s a pretty cool superpower.

    Not much going on in Green Bay this time of year, I guess.

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    CaseyL says:

    @max: @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: @patroclus:

    Remember the motto of the show: All Men Everyone you like must die.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Roger Moore:
    Jarrett is pure Our Kind of People. Raised by two Black intellectuals who taught her to go through the front door with her head held high. They also know that Valerie is FLOTUS’ eyes and ears in the West Wing.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Roger Moore: Especially one who complains HRC has been pushed “too far to the left” by Sanders. And Mark Cuban is a big Ayn Rand fan. He says he goes back and re-reads her novels
    for inspiration.

    I prefer he stay away from any elected office, thank you. The Rand fans have done enough damage.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @redshirt: That’s how I read your question – but that could be because I don’t understand the “for Brexit” position. The anti-Brexit position is kind of intuitive for me, since they kept the £ instead of adopting the €, which turned out to work to their advantage.

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    Mark Cuban suuuucks soooo muuuuuch

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    Helen says:

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: Rut Roh. I don’t watch, but this looks serious.

    But for real how’s my boyfriend Iggy?

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    SFAW says:

    @Roger Moore:

    “Better than” does not necessarily mean “good” or “good enough.” Didn’t say I’d want Cuban, only that I’d prefer him to any of those other three assholes (at least two of whom own sports teams).

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    smike says:

    @JMG: “is every disappointment every white man over 35 has ever suffered in his life. It’s a very high bar to carry.”

    And a very heavy load to clear, also, too. I love mixed metaphors!

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    HelloRochester says:

    Just because many of the things Hillary is blamed for are fairy tales doesn’t mean they’re not massive political liabilities. She is not a great candidate and not an easy sell. If she is the nominee, congress will keep its current ratios and we will be deadlocked for at least two years and the wingnut welfare grifters will make crazy huge money. THAT’S how grown ups talk about this.

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    @Helen: He’s right next to me, happily oblivious to this evening’s tragedy. He also needs a (sshhh) b-a-t-h.

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    @HelloRochester: Who said we’re grown ups‽ I’ll punch him! Or her!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:


    She is not a great candidate and not an easy sell. If she is the nominee, congress will keep its current ratios and we will be deadlocked for at least two years

    Respectfully disagree for reasons that I have typed many, many times before.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @raven: I use Photoshop. I got their $10/month photography plan.

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    SFAW says:


    Remember the motto of the show: All Men Everyone you like must die.

    I’m hoping that, for the last show, they riff on “Monty Python and the Holy Grail,” and bring George R.R.R.R.R.R. Marrrrrrrtin in for a cameo, and then arrest his sorry ass for pointless mass murder. (Not that there’s ever a point to mass murder, of course.)

    ETA: Although, I guess he could be considered a serial killer, not a mass murderer.

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    redshirt says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I dig. I’m just listening now, and hearing so much.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): They’re also not part of the Schengen Accords because they wanted control over their own immigration due to the Irish Troubles.

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    hedgehog mobile says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: This.

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    Mike J says:

    @Roger Moore: I have heard people complain that brexit sounds good because Camron is against it. I understand, but it’s moronic.

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    redshirt says:

    Imagine a giant mirror around the sun, reflecting onto the energy collector plate.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mike J: OTOH, One could argue that Brexit is a bad idea since Boris Johnson is for it.

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    Librarian says:

    Well, there’s the Wollman Rink. But that’s all I can think of.

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    Helen says:

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: LOL well. I am in Queens, NY, not in GA. If you and Iggy are ever here I will happily give him a B-A-T-H. AND HE WILL LIKE IT!!!!

    Kisses to him and Muppet.

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    marilynD Southern Oregon says:

    It’s a little late to be adding this…but I just spent the day with my family of BernieBros celebrating my mother 96th birthday. My preacher-son shut the conversation down quickly as soon as my 73 year old sister started with the “she’s going to be indicted ANYDAY!!!!” bit….bless his pea-picking heart.

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    Hugely says:

    @JMG: shit now I know why I feel so miserable…. lol…

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    Helen says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Speaking of Boris. Do you know if Eddie Izzard is still planning on running in 2020? I think he is.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Helen: No idea.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Roger Moore: Are you still here?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    What a strange affair this day has been. Hedged round with reminders of the singular terrors that come with the singular joys of life in the very isolated high country.

    One of my stories has acquired a were-bear. I know not why or how: it just happened, and I am running with it. But the amount of time I’ve spent on it meant that it gave me a singular turn this morning, very early, when I heard my Siberian Husky, Luna, barking and barking in a way I’ve never heard before. Grasp, I’ve only ever heard her *barking* like a normal dog – as opposed to whoo-ing, yodeling, and howling – when there is some close encounter of the wildlife-y kind in the offing – and so the spring out of bed and run to the bedroom door, giving onto the outdoors, was informed by a tolerable certainty that there would be something. But Lord, that bear outside the bedroom door was *huge*- the biggest I have seen around these parts – could not be a grizzly, no, but black bears are usually so small and sort of cute! -and it looked large and hump-shouldered like a grizzly, crouching on the rocks above where Luna just stood barking, barking, her whole body bottle-brushy with hackles and defiance.

    You know, there is a rifle by the bed, ostensibly for just this sort of situation. But all I could think to do was yell. And the bear sloped off, and Luna was coaxed in, and eventually she settled down with grumpy grace to the realization that she was *not* going right back out again, and coffee and plans for the day were made, and Luna and a friend and I off in the car to the big city for grocery shopping, and on the way home we are confronted by a fire truck across the road, an ambulance with flashing lights, and a helicopter in the field. A lady who lived in one of the little houses off the grade, taken suddenly ill. Must be stabilized before being flown out. A half-hour in the sunshine on a dirt road, trying to divide my time between learning my lines for a play and gawking as the life-and-death drama played out.

    And then to hear a snippet of HRC’s interview on NPR, and feel a sort of happy-thrill – her voice sounds confident and assured as she talks about how she’s ready to reach out to Senator Sanders – and then hear NPR speaker saying something like “meanwhile, Bernie Sanders wonders why Hillary Clinton is claiming she is going to be the nominee”, and I catch myself yelling at the radio, “BECAUSE SHE CAN DO MATH, IDIOT, WHICH APPARENTLY YOU CAN’T”.

    And this has been my spring day in the Rockies. Close encounters with bears, sudden catastrophe, and the clash and din of national politicking. How y’all been?

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    AnotherBruce says:

    @Roger Moore: I’m kind of getting deep into some web searches about this. I’m coming to the conclusion that, while there is no proof that it came from the Clinton ’08 campaign, it did come from some of her supporters. But I also get the impression that she had already suspended her campaign or was close to doing so when this happened. At any rate, there is still no evidence that it came from her or her campaign staff. In addition to everything else, I’m going to have to explain to my naive buddy what ratfucking is. Thanks for the clarification.

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    different-church-lady says:

    We’re missing something significant here: a Sunday Show had a guest who wasn’t a white male.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Miss Bianca: Well that could’ve been all sorts of ugly.

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    Matt McIrvin says:


    It’s a huge disconnect with the Sandernistas, that minorities support Clinton.

    One of them in the LGM comments recently explained to me that African-Americans only support Clinton in places still controlled by political machines, and that it was “pure patronage”.

    I think part of what’s going on here is that if you read pro-Sanders articles on Huffington Post and similar places, you’ll find all sorts of statements that black support for Hillary Clinton is collapsing, or was a myth all along. Not true, as far as I can tell, though there’s certainly a Sanders-supporting faction on the African-American left that includes some prominent people.

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    aimai says:

    @HelloRochester: I disagree, but even if what you say is true–so what? An national election is more like an avalanche than it is like a game show. Just because the candidates get out there and sell themselves and voters have the illusion of choice doesn’t mean that the entire thing is rational, like a market, or the product of people’s desires. The election is happening, the two candidates will be Trump and Clinton, and the rest–how much of the senate we can retake, or the house, is not up to either Trump or Clinton. Its up to the voting population. Progressives–hell, Democrats–don’t control the red states or their population’s choices. No Democrat is going to appeal to them because the country is too partisan. As for Trump–his voters will vote for him and our voters will not. That’s all there is to it. Stop whining about how you don’t like Clinton or she’s not a good candidate. Its irrelevant. That is not what matters. GOTV is what matters. No one cares if its hard for you (if you even engage in politics at that level). Just shut up and GOTV.

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA:

    I’m guessing that somebody’s favorite character got gruesomely offed tonight.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Indeed. And then Fallujah! What a day it’s been!

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel says:

    Sorry I’m late, Fellow Balloon Juicers!

    Someone recently said the Nevada Dem Chair Violence can be considered a form of “half-life” like radiation that will always mark those complicit in the dissemination of false information.

    Good Job, #ImWithHillary, you’ve created the next – gen PUMA!

    Looks like the fallout from Nevada/DNC debacle claims another victim:

    Preach it, Shaun King!

    Did you know that Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who was a co-chair of Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign against Obama, and is now the chair of the DNC, earlier this year did away with all of the restrictions on lobbyists that President Obama put in place?

    According to the Washington Post,

    “The DNC’s recent, more sweeping reversal of the previous ban on donations from lobbyists and political action committees was confirmed by three Democratic lobbyists who said they have already received solicitations from the committee. The lobbyists requested anonymity to speak freely about the committee’s decision, which has been otherwise kept quiet.”

    KING: Hillary Clinton wants you to avoid the reality of the polls
    Unless you are a political insider, it would be hard to know that such a thing had ever happened. No doubt, that was their goal. Why? Are they ashamed? It certainly appears so.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: Most of my family lives in a small city in central Wisconsin. Bears pop into town every once in a while. They like the big garbage bins that have become ubiquitous.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Miss Bianca: But the Bolts won in overtime. So not all bad!

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    burnspbesq says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    they wanted control over their own immigration due to the Irish Troubles.

    Which struck me as downright hilarious when I flew from Galway to Manchester a few years ago without being asked to show my US passport at either end.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Salve, Stultissime, te futueo et caballum tuum.

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    Matt McIrvin says:


    Clinton can come off as imperious and humorless. Incessant Republican bashing and sexism are not by themselves the cause of her likeability problem.

    Powerful, assertive women usually come off as imperious and humorless, because we’re used to women going along to get along; they’re socialized to do it. In a man the same affect comes across as serious and frank.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ll take your word for it that that is an Excellent Thing. : )

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Your candidate will not get the nomination.

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    @Helen: I was just back home in Brooklyn last week. I miss it, and I wondered about moving back — but then I pictured Iggy the country-born Wonder Schnauzer shrieking 24/7 at all 8 million people in New York and figured we should probably stay where we are.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Original Six are gone so who cares?

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    Barbara says:

    @Roger Moore: You can also rely on your outdoor grill if you lose power. OTOH it won’t help if you want to take a hot shower.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: JHB has joined Kdope, BiP and NR as folks I just completely ignore. Life is too short, y’know?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Miss Bianca: you have email!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Sometimes I feel cruel.

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    SFAW says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Salve, Stultissime, te futueo et caballum tuum.

    You are my new idol.

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    Miss Bianca says:


    You are my new idol.

    *blush* Gee, wait’ll I tell Mom!

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    @The Thin Black Duke: I rather enjoy their back and forth about pie, myself.

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    Ken says:

    CHUCK TODD: –is there anything Donald Trump’s done that you think should be praised?

    SEC. CLINTON: Oh, yes, he’s done a masterful job getting the Republican nomination. I was skeptical when Bill first proposed it, but now I’m glad we encouraged him to run.

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    Lectric lady says:

    @redshirt: I watched Zoolander for the first time last night, in an attempt to get away from current politics. Alas, Trump was there too…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Lectric lady: We could have warned you against it. Poor you.

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    piratedan says:

    I am sitting here musing if Chuck would ask Trump the same question of Trump, can you mention anything praiseworthy regarding Secretary Clinton… but then again, why should I expect fair play from Chuck Todd.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Sez you. I actually kind of like “Zoolander”. ’tis a guilty pleasure.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: It’s all eye-candy for you, isn’t it?

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    And Greetings to you too, Miss B! Its been quite awhile since I’ve seen that phrase! I think I was like 15 or so, but next time you should try something a little more difficult like Sallust. That dude fuckin sucked to translate!

    My favorite phrase is from Propertius, an Ellegiac Poet from the 1st Century:

    Omina Fausta Cano.

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    For the tenth (or so) time, Sanders will lose.

    Here let me say it again:

    Sanders will lose.

    Sanders will lose.

    Ad infinitum.

    It’s the future that’s up for grabs now.

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    Zoolander is fuckin hilarious!

    What is this? A CENTER FOR ANTS?!

    And I’m 90% with yall. It’s just that 10% getting magnified right now.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: So I guess that means you’re not taking my advice and buggering off, Stultissime. Ah well. A girl can dream.

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    Jonathan Holland Becnel says:

    Good Talk, Becnel!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel: Then could you please stop whining? I suggest that you pick a side. I know you are a real believer in Sanders. But the election will be Clinton vs.Trump. At this point, any shit thrown at Clinton from the left benefits Trump. Pick your side.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Come on – David Bowie rolling his eyes and announcing, “it’s a walk-off”? The slow-mo gasoline dousing? And, since I was in coal country at the time, *and* working as a literacy program coordinator, other parts resonated with me as well…suffice it to say, it’s the only time I’ve ever really found Ben Stiller funny…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: Sorry.

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    @Miss Bianca: Best to insult somebody in a language they don’t know, anyway.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: JHB says he majored in Latin.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I know. She should stick to something like German, or math.

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    SFAW says:

    @Jonathan Holland Becnel:

    Omina Fausta Cano.

    Is that like “Omina Gaullia in three partes divisa erst”?


    ETA: In other words: literacy – how do it work?

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    @SFAW: I think his Latin checks out, actually, though I haven’t taken it since HS.

    Here’s something a lot of BernieBros need to wrap their head around:

    Mir hilft der Geist! Auf einmal seh ich Rat
    Und schreibe getrost: Im Anfang war die Tat!

    The last bit might be my next tattoo. That or “I would prefer not to.”

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    SFAW says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    JHB says he majored in Latin.

    Yeah, well, one would think he would know how to spell correctly one of the more recognized words.

    Especially when he sees you nym all the time. (Just don’t change it to “Omens Ominbus,” it’ll freak him out.)

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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    The phrase he intended to write checks out, after a fashion. Or it would, if you’re the kind of person who refers to the NRC as the Nucular Regulatory Commission.”

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    @SFAW: I don’t understand. He didn’t mean omina? “Omnia fausta cano” is barely even a phrase. Also, you know, google.

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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    So maybe I’m not even half as smart as I thought I was. So it goes.

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    So it goes.

    Shit, who died?

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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Yeah, I did the Google thing. As I said, not as smart as I should be.

    Not sure I can parse it either way: seems like the “omina” version translated to something like “Good omens sing/sound”. “omnia” version seems like “All fortunate sing.”

    Never studied Latin, only speak/spoke German and Spanish reasonably well, plus a little of a few others (Putonghua, French, Greek, Russian) — just enough to get into trouble.

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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    This ain’t Tralfamadore, Salo.

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    @SFAW: ‘cano’ is ‘i sing’, Latin has strong verb inflection. Word order can be pretty funky but the verb is often at the end, as it is in this case. So “I sing good omens”

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    Steeplejack says:


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    SFAW says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    OK. Still not sure it makes sense, but I defer to your wisdom.

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    I defer to your wisdom.

    Can’t say I recommend that.

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    NR says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Has “Please don’t talk about our candidate’s obvious flaws” ever worked in any election ever?

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    Citizen Alan says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    I have never for the life of me understood how/why Valerie Jarrett got built up into such a closet-monster among the ‘wingers and those inclined to share their obsessions.

    Are there ANY black women in politics that Republicans don’t react to with terrified loathing? Other than Janice Rogers Brown, I guess?

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    Citizen Alan says:


    Clinton can come off as imperious and humorless. Incessant Republican bashing and sexism are not by themselves the cause of her likeability problem.

    She’s a highly intelligent and successful woman and her enemies are largely buffoons. It’s easy to fall into the trap of seeing her as the bitchy PC university president obsessed with kicking the Animal House frat off campus … until you stop and look at it objectively and realize that the Animal House frat boys are all drunken buffoons and occasionally rapists who SHOULD get expelled.

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    Citizen Alan says:


    Has “Please don’t talk about our candidate’s obvious flaws” ever worked in any election ever?

    Seemed to work pretty well for the winner in 2000 and 2004 (well, for some definitions of “winner”).

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    Applejinx says:

    Mornin’ folks.

    I went to visit my brother, on the wobbly old car-struts, and didn’t crash nor did the car fly into pieces at 70 mph. Wooo!

    I think I’ve spotted an angle Clinton’s setting up, can’t wait to see it exploited. I don’t believe she actually is contemplating ‘business leaders’ for Veep: not because she personally objects to business or banker types being veep, but because she has more leverage over working politicians. I don’t think it’s going to be a business dude, it’s a smokescreen.


    The suggestion is always, always within the frame of ‘SUCCESSFUL’ business people. So by all means let’s have the discussion of whether a successful business person should be veep, or whether that’s the wrong agenda/outlook for a public servant.

    Cue Trump trying to be involved in that discussion.

    Cue Hillary Clinton casually smacking him down in a way he will never forget: “No, Donald, I meant successful business people. Real ones, not pretend ones. Real business people aren’t broke, they make money on which they pay taxes. I paid ten million dollars in taxes in 2014. You paid nothing.”

    How do you think that would play?

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    D58826 says:

    tell me again how Hillary is disrespecting the Bernie movement?

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    New England Beekeeper says:

    @Miss Bianca: What a lovely glimpse into your day. Thank you for sharing, Miss B!

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    @Davis X. Machina: I take it you’re a Bernie supporter. If so, you should know that his name in Spanish would be Bernardo, not Bernado.

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