Turn around; don’t drown!

Today in Houston, where they’ve had over a foot of rain:

Damn! I got caught in a rainstorm in Jacksonville, FL many years ago and was driving down a water-covered street, trying to find a place to pull over. Suddenly, I could feel my car floating, which is a scary-ass feeling.

Fortunately for me, I floated to a spot where I was able to get traction and pull up onto higher ground. The guy in the video wasn’t so lucky, but he’s damn fortunate to be alive. Amazing how the lights and windshield wipers were still working when only the radio antenna remained above the surface.

Be careful out there, Houston Juicers. Better yet, don’t go anywhere if you can help it.

Open thread!

242 replies
  1. 1
    Dog Dawg Damn says:

    Hey everyone, just catching up on the circus and noticed something odd. Even though the experts are predicting Drumpf will come in somewhere between 1100-1200 delegates, they are confident that he will fail to secure the nomination. (The whole Nate Silver crowd, for instance).

    Do they really think they will deny him the nomination when he is so close? This is going to be fun to watch.

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    Germy says:

    Unfortunately we’ll be seeing more and more floods like this.

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    different-church-lady says:

    You mean a foot of snow, right? Rain does not come in foot increments.


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    Germy says:

    @Dog Dawg Damn:

    This is going to be fun to watch.

    Maybe, maybe not. The threat of violence is no laughing matter. Some of Trump’s more enthusiastic followers are worrisome.

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    Germy says:

    I saw a woman on the news last night who was stranded at a gas station. All roads to her house were flooded. She told the reporter she’d never see anything like it.

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    LAO says:

    Once, when I was a kid, my mother drove into about 4 feet of water with me and my younger brothers in the car. It was a maroon station wagon that thankfully was slow to fill with water, so we all got out of the car just fine. The car, however, was never the same. Once it dried out and, had some engine work done, it sounded like an airplane taking off. Ultimately, my parents sold it to a guy that turned out to be my 7th grade math teacher.

    Good luck those in Houston.

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    pat says:

    The driver sounds completely stunned. I wonder how he managed to get out of the driver’s side door.

    Up here in western WI we’re hoping for rain in the next few days. Temps in the 70s and 80s, no rain since we got home over two weeks ago. Dry!

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    Davebo says:

    I think “rescued” is a bit of a stretch. The poor guy was in around 3.5′ of water but for some reason was still swimming instead of just standing up.

    This isn’t as bad as some past floods like Alicia but it’s pretty bad. I worry about what tomorrow morning will look like. It’s slacked up now but they forecast another deluge tonight.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    Houston is disaster waiting to happen.

    The communities and industrial plants around the Ship Channel and Clear Lake are typically elevated to only 10 to 20 feet above sea level, said Bedient of Rice University.
    That means for many who haven’t evacuated, “you’re seeing people scrambling for their lives off of that first floor into the second floor,” Bedient said. “And then when it’s 20 feet high, you’re going to see water in the second floor as well.”
    Sam Brody, a marine scientist at Texas A&M who has studied the vulnerability of Clear Lake, says many people living there have no idea of the risk.
    “It’s a great place to be,” he said of the region. “The last thing you think about is 20 feet of water coming up here.”

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I don’t think I can recall a foot of rain falling in Kuala Lumpur even in the worst monsoon downpour.

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: You’re lucky. That’s how a lot of people die in floods – intentionally driving into flooded areas of the road, thinking it’s not very deep.

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    redshirt says:

    @pat: I’m rooting for rain too, but not too much!

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @LAO: Whew, glad y’all made it out alive. My floating car was an old Volvo sedan. That thing was as durable as a tank. It never stalled during its brief career as a boat, and once it dried out, it was just fine for an old clunker (it was about 15 when the flood happened).

    As I was waiting for the water to recede, I helped a couple of other people who’d driven into the flooded area push their stalled cars out. The one thing that stands out in my mind about that experience was that there were floating islands of fire ants that would swarm and bite anyone unlucky enough to come into contact with them. Fucking fire ants.

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    That’s a lot of rain!

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Well, Cruz is doing the legwork to win on a second ballot. By the rules as written, they have one ballot pledged, then nobody gets a bare majority, so they go to a second ballot unpledged. Of course, they can change the rules at any time. Man, I don’t know!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    It seemed like every winter in Arizona there was someone who decided that they could drive their giant SUV through a flooded wash and had to be rescued by helicopter from the top of their truck. DON’T DO IT, PEOPLE!! Floodwaters are dangerous shit.

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    Corner Stone says:

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    Ben Cisco says:

    Hope everyone is OK.
    That said, a musical accompaniment.

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    redshirt says:

    Over the last 6 years I’ve been building a stream to drain my property. When it flows it’s usually very gentle and burbling, but occasionally we’ll get 3-4 inches in one storm and this little stream turns into a raging flow of water. It destroyed several previous versions of my stream so I’ve rebuilt on a far bigger scale in order to accommodate these rare but damaging storms.

    I don’t think there’s anyway I could accommodate a foot of rain.

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    LAO says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Super lucky! My youngest brother was so little, around 3 years old, that I had to hand him out of the open window to random strangers who came running to the car and then I crawled out of the window (I was 8). Pretty sure my mom hit the horn to “call for help.”

    My mom — who is super smart (she went to law school, a few years later and was a great kids lawyer) recently told me, she used to have nightmares about that (and another accident — involving the shattering of a shower glass door) for about 10 years.

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    Calouste says:

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Nate Silver has been in complete denial about Trump winning since the time the hairpiece entered the race. He thought that because he was good with numbers, he could do punditry, and basically went to bend the numbers to fit his punditry.

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    MattF says:

    And note– driving through a flood is like driving through an avalanche, and not like driving through a swimming pool. For you science types, floods in the street means a large Reynolds number and a large Reynolds number means large inertial forces.

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    @Amir Khalid: Its like monsoon rains in Cherrapunji, Assam where the world’s highest rains have been recorded.

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: Sounds scary! Glad you all made it! :)

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    That’s horrifying. I hope all our Juicers are okay.
    @Amir Khalid: I once accidentally – thoughtlessly is probably a better word – said something about rain coming down in sheets being monsoon-like to group that included an Indian friend. He assured me right quick that I had *never* seen rain like a monsoon, and twas then that I knew what he had on his mind. I mean, I appreciated that he had a point about hyperbole, and all that.

    Hiya Amir Khalid! I don’t wish to be overly familiar by addressing you as Amir, but nor do I want to address you as Alaska either. Advice?

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    Josie says:

    My daughter-in-law texted me this morning that her parents and her brother had water lapping at the doors of their houses in west Houston. Another night like last night could be a mess.

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    scav says:

    @Davebo: His brain seemed to stopped functioning if he had to repeatedly pursuaded to leave the car, a sinking car. I assumed he swam because that’s what was yelled to him: he was not processing context independently.

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    Germy says:

    I’ve been seeing more sinkholes in the news lately. Sections of roads closed because of sudden collapse.

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    japa21 says:

    There used to be a few viaducts in the Chicago area that would flood with just an inch or two of rain. TV news loved it when that happened because they could run there with their cameras and catch all these cars in the water over their hoods. Can’t imagine what it would have been like with a foot of raid. In fact, a foot of rain would wipe out a lot of people along the Des Plaines River and Salt Creek.
    Not sure there is anywhere in the country that could weather a foot of rain without major problems.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I suspect addressing him as Alaska might be odd.

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    redshirt says:

    @scav: People in shock can do amazingly stupid things.

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    OT: Has anyone read Suketu Mehta’s Maximum City? I have never personally felt the urge punch an author before.

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    satby says:

    Has anyone heard lately from KeithP? I hope he got to dialysis.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Calouste: Even with the recent update, the NY Times Graphs showing that Trump will most likely have the delegates he needs on June 7. It hasn’t changed much in weeks.


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    @satby: How have you been? I read about your mom and your exhausting road trip.

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    satby says:

    @Corner Stone: and are you OK? Is it bad where you are or are you on higher ground?

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    Germy says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Where does the GOP go from here?
    After Trump do they back away from their extremes or do they push more to the right?

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    raven says:

    The College That Ate a City
    Fast-growing San Marcos, Texas, faces an ever-expanding anchor institution and a student-focused real estate industry that’s pricing families out of housing.

    San Macros sits in what geologists and climatologists call “flash flood alley,” the Interstate 35 corridor between San Antonio and Austin. It’s one of the most flood-prone areas in all of North America.

    While rainfall can be scarce in Texas, when it hits, it hits big, especially when storms coming in off the Gulf of Mexico from the south join together with the storms from the high plains to the west. These two forces will usually meet up in the Texas Hill Country just west of Interstate 35, and as we all know, water flows downhill.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:


    Sinkholes are my one true waking nightmare, triggered by the story of that Florida Man who was swallowed by the earth under his bed, which he was in. So, not just roadways collapsing, but literally the earth simply opening up. Since a lot of Florida is on limestone that dissolves, I won’t be spending any time there any time soon. Where I am in New England, I’m on granite ledge. I may die of radon poisoning, but not swallowed by the earth.

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    Davebo says:

    As bad as this is it’s nothing compared to what Tropical Storm Allison did back in 2001.

    37″ of rain fell in the Port of Houston area. The deluge of rainfall flooded 95,000 automobiles and 73,000 houses destroying 2,744 homes, leaving 30,000 homeless. Property damage in the Medical Center alone topped two billion dollars.

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    satby says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: thanks, we’re all fine. I swear I was in a walking coma for two days though. If I could have split the driving it might not have been so bad… No more road trips on a tight schedule, but I do like seeing the country.
    And thanks about my mom, we all miss her but it was a release from pain when she went. So it was time. She had a good run.

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    Germy says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: I remember that sinkhole story. Nightmarish.

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    raven says:

    @japa21: My father and I both played in Salt Creek as kids.

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    MomDoc says:

    @pat: I was actually watching this clip as it unfolded. The man got out of his passenger’s side door. His car started floating and he opened the door that was less submerged and asked what to do… The reporter and cameraman were yelling to get out and swim and the reporter went to help.

    It was surreal watching it unfold in real time. My husband tired to leave our neighborhood but came back within 5 minutes. Luckily, our particular neighborhood holds up pretty well in these situations but this is the second time this has happened in less than a year (Memorial day last year).

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    Anoniminous says:

    Low pressure system moving out of the Rockies is creating the boundary condition and using surface sea temperatures in the Gulf which range from 0 to 2.9C (5.22F) above normal as energy and the source of water for the rain.

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    redshirt says:

    I assume there are no longer drought conditions in Texas?

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    Keith G says:

    Just as the sun was coming up (a seemingly theoretical construct considering the layer of opaque rain clouds), I was chasing my trash wheely-bin down my street as knee-deep water was whisking it away.

    But, here in the near downtown part of Houston, the heavy rains have moved on. We will still have to deal with the extreme amount of water that returned to earth in the northwest precincts and is now beginning to drain into the several bayous that flow through the city.

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    Brachiator says:


    The threat of violence is no laughing matter. Some of Trump’s more enthusiastic followers are worrisome.

    As worrisome as the wild Bernie supporters?

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Germy: Good question. It seems like the most sensible option is for the national party to split: Teabaggers get 3/4, the “traditional” GOP gets the rest. But they both want to have political power and know that splitting like that would damage the national party’s chances to have any. And the “traditional” people don’t want to give up their control of the party. – their upset with the Teabaggers doesn’t go as far as to walk away from them…

    I don’t know if the national party means anything in the races they’ve been winning (around here in NoVA, the Republicans never say they’re Republican on their literature or in their ads, and haven’t since ~ 2006 or so (maybe earlier)). Maybe they’ll let the national party implode and forget about trying to win the White House for a few cycles and just try to build-up their strength in the state and local races.

    They’re not going away in any event. We need to not be complacent about the fall, 2018, 2020, 2022, etc, etc., and in all the off-year races that are far too common.


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    Davebo says:

    @raven: San Marcos and New Braunsfels just had a pretty devastating flood last year.

    Nice little town though and honestly housing isn’t very expensive there (as the article notes). $600 per month for a nice new apartment is a pretty good deal (you won’t find anything close to that in Austin 45 minutes to the north).

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Betty Cracker: Fucking fire ants were floating around just *waiting to bite people*? And they’re too light to drown, too ornery to die. Fucking fire ants, indeed! :>: <

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    April says:

    I was on a freeway on ramp in pouring rain at night and suddenly felt my front tires floating about! The on ramp sloped so I could not understand how enough rain had accumulated to get my Saturn wagon floating. As I tried to open the door, a couple of young red necks in a lifted pickup rode past, hollered “you picked a stupid place to park” and then gunned it creating a huge wave. The wave pushed the car to the side enough that one tire hit ground. I crawled out the window (one good reason for manual widow controls), thankful the car wasn’t still free floating and would therefore probably not float over to crush me. The car was so new I somehow got the engine replacement under waranty. Biggest long term bummer was the pretty black velvet dress and shoes I was wearing to a big deal party was ruined on its inaugural wear. Well, that and the damage to my bare feet walking half a mile to a gas station to call for help pre cell phone days. You really don’t mind the rain once you arealready soaked!

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    indianbadger says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    OT: Has anyone read Suketu Mehta’s Maximum City? I have never personally felt the urge punch an author before.

    I am assuming by this that you are a Maharashtrian! :) I can understand why.

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    Mike J says:

    @Davebo: I was there for that 500 year storm. Cheap hotel with no restaurant and no power. How many other five hundred year storms have they had in the past fifteen years?

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    Davebo says:

    @redshirt: Nope.

    After years of having boat houses sitting over dry land Lake Travis (a gorgeous lake) is back up!

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    Germy says:

    @Brachiator: Lots of negative energy that will have nowhere to go.


    around here in NoVA, the Republicans never say they’re Republican on their literature or in their ads

    I noticed that in the campaign literature that littered my mailbox. Red white & blue but no mention of party affiliation = republican.

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    Anoniminous says:


    Rain, with some breaks, is forecast to continue until early Friday. IF it continues as it has (it may not) the 37″ boundary will be tested.

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    Davebo says:

    @Mike J:

    Sadly more and more often. I can’t remember the exact year but perhaps 6 or 7 years ago we had one like today that literally left 18 wheelers floating down Interstate 10 near downtown. I remember it because my late wife and I were watching the news and watched as emergency officials evacuated our housekeeper from her apartment in a boat.

    Wouldn’t you know it? She never showed up that day.

    Houston desperately needs a massive influx of Dutch civil engineers and has for a long time.

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    cckids says:

    @satby: Satby, my condolences for your mom’s passing. I missed when you relayed the news. I was always so touched and impressed by your dedication to her & your willingness to uproot your life to be there for her. I’m glad her passing was swift. Sending you good thoughts.

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    raven says:

    @Keith G: You get to dialysis?

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    Davebo says:


    What I’ve seen is that it should clear by Thursday afternoon.

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    Bill Murray says:


    Can’t imagine what it would have been like with a foot of raid.

    I imagine LOTS of dead bugs

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    nutella says:


    As worrisome as the wild Bernie supporters?

    Worse. The Trump supporters are armed.

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    raven says:

    @Davebo: My sis lived there in the 80’s she really liked it. We charge $700 a month for a one bdr house with a fenced yard and incredible neighbors! (us)

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    @indianbadger: My family is from the Mumbai area since forever. Or since it was a malarial swamp according to thinks-he-is-cool-because-he-hangs-out-with-gangstas Mehta,

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    Gian says:

    just let me say I’m happy the reporter helped instead of being objective

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Keith G: Asking the same question #59 – did you get to dialysis?

    @raven: the Machine will be in Athens April 28. I haz a giant jealous.
    It was a kick ass show (if you like that sort of thing). Slightly over two hours, short intermission, no opening act. They were a giant hit with the audience at the Brown – which was very interactive. Mr. Q said he was really, really surprised and impressed at how the audience kept in time when they clapped – “usually when the audience does that they drift further and further off the beat.” I laughed and said “you ain’t been to many bluegrass shows, have you son?” Which of course was why he was so surprised.
    The only thing I can say is I wish the band had enjoyed playing a little bit more. <– That's completely facetious; I'm trying to remember the last time I saw 5 people who clearly had that. much. fun playing music. I'm not sure I've actually ever seen it indoors.

    TL;DR – go see them.

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    Calouste says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Yep, most of the states coming up are favorable territory for Trump.

    The question is how far the GOP wants to go with fixing the convention. (We don’t have to ask that question about Cruz, he will go all the way to win.) A number of the delegates that are bound to vote for Trump on the first ballot are either establishment GOPers or Cruz supporters. What if they just don’t show up for the first ballot, denying Trump victory, then put Cruz over the top on the second ballot?

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    Catherine D. says:


    I keep a glass hammer tied to the driver door pocket so I can break a window. It has a nifty seat belt cutter on the other end.

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    raven says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I know. I love em but I just don’t give a shit about live music anymore.

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    cckids says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Fucking fire ants!

    Everyone who’s had to deal with fire ants would buy this t-shirt.

    Our first house in Vegas, we experienced a “migration” of fire ants. They were marching through, coming in through the walls, pouring down from things like nail holes where pictures had hung. We found them inside jars of peanut butter (they followed the threads on the jar lid). Found them in our 1-year old’s crib, in our quadriplegic son’s bed & wheelchair. We cleared them out 2 times, they came back. We did it again, then found them pouring in through a crack around the window in our shower. (my husband’s incoherent scream at finding that at 1 a.m. was something to hear!)

    Finally we decamped to my parent’s house & let an exterminator come in with the big guns (cyanide around the footings of the house, plus whatever else). Probably toxic as hell, but it did work. Thank FSM we didn’t have pets at the time.

    Fucking fire ants.

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    redshirt says:

    @Catherine D.: I have a small hammer I keep in my glovebox for this very purpose as well. Protip!

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    Trump had better win on the first ballot. If he has the most delegates, but the nomination is taken away from him, there will be Hell to pay. I don’t know what it will look like, but Trump is obsessively spiteful and his base has gone full-on hate junkie.

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    Davebo says:


    In the 80’s (back then it was Southwest Texas State) that was one hell of a party town. Last year I probably made at least a half a dozen trips there taking a girlfriend to visit her son who was at school there and I got the impression it wasn’t as wild as I remembered from back then.

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    @indianbadger: My family is from the Mumbai area since forever. Or since it was a malarial swamp according to thinks-he-is-cool-because-he-hangs-out-with-gangstas Mehta,

    ETA: Stupid WP won’t let me edit my own comment.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    In fact, a foot of rain would wipe out a lot of people along the Des Plaines River and Salt Creek.

    Were you around for the flood in 1986? Our neighbors on either side of us had water halfway up their back doors. My dad had wisely looked up the 100-year flood mark and built our house 20 feet above that, but we still had to do some sandbagging on the back patio.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    @Keith G: Asking the same question #59 – did you get to dialysis?

    That’s Keith P that needed some assistance with that this AM.

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    redshirt says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I sure hope they steal it from Trump. I want maximum chaos on the Republican side.

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    Corner Stone says:


    As bad as this is it’s nothing compared to what Tropical Storm Allison did back in 2001.

    Allison was a nasty piece of business. These two recent “500 year storms” have not exactly been picnics. Although I think at the time they called Memorial Day a “100 year storm” and have since brought the drama up a notch.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @redshirt: Has anybody ever put their gloves in the glove compartment?

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    redshirt says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I chuckled just the other day as I put two pairs of gloves in the glovebox!

    But considering winter seems truly done here at Gondolin, I’ll take one pair out. The other are sun gloves.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I think that’s the same area where my high school BFF was from. We wrote airmail letters in those pre-internet days. I’m old enough that I think the capital was still called Bombay (around 1985-1988).

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    @Frankensteinbeck: I used to think he’d burn their fields and salt the earth, but he seems less fired up lately. Or maybe he’s just on my TV less.

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    Mike J says:

    @Gin & Tonic: The glove compartment isn’t accurately named

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    Keith G says:


    I assume there are no longer drought conditions in Texas?

    Texas is almost 850 miles wide. The coastal strip from Houston to Beaumont and 50 miles inland** is well watered. An additional 100 miles beyond that is mostly okay, but beyond that…no.

    On of the problems inland is that when it has been raining, these rain events tend to drop a lot of water all at once. When several months worth of rain falls in two days, a little soaks into the ground and the rest of it finds the nearest sub division or holiday park to wash away.

    **The East Texas woodlands from Houston north to Texarkana (290 mi tall by 120 mi wide) get most of the rain that soaks in. The plain, prairie , and mountain sections of Texas (at most 700 mi by 500 mi) are still facing drought conditions.

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    While I understand that argument, I want Trump running undisputed. I want everybody in America to know EXACTLY what the GOP is and what it stands for, race hate. The mask Reagan built needs to be torn apart if we will ever fix anything in this country. Otherwise, too many whites will go ‘Lowering the deficit sounds responsible!’

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    david10 says:

    @Dog Dawg Damn: Here’s something strange-or maybe not-Bernie has already begun the narrative that New York was”stolen” because indies were not allowed to vote. Yet he is perfectly fine with all-democrat caucuses where only 5 or 10 % of eligible voters participate. So, I guess, all-democrat affairs are wonderful when he wins, but wrong, wrong, wrong, when HRC does. If NY goes as predicted, the twittersphere will go crazy with accusations of theft and Clinton villainy, and her favourable ratings will once again take a hit because you know, Clinton.
    I started the season kinda interested in Bern, although volunteering for Hilz, but if I hated people, which I don’t, I’d be burning at Bern. What a whining, pious, fakeass dickwad.

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    japa21 says:

    @raven: My wife grew up in Wood Dale and the house was about 100 feet from Salt Creek with a street and lots on the other side between them and the water. Well, except in heavy rains which saw water coming within 2-3 feet of her house and the houses on the other side totally flooded. The Wood Dale library was on the banks of the river and , IIRC, had no books on the ground floor closer than 3 feet to the floor for that exact reason.

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    @Mnemosyne: The name change was in the mid-nineties.Although it was always Mumbai in Marathi, Bumbai in Hindi and Bombay in English.

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    Davebo says:

    @Corner Stone: As you know, floods come with the territory.

    But a low cost of living and a sh#tload of really fabulous restaurants make it worth it to me.

    And as I get older having the world’s finest Medical Center is comforting. Now if oil would just get back over $80 (enjoy your cheap gas assholes! ;)

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    redshirt says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Good points. And I am far more scared of Cruz then Trump.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @satby: We’re fine, thanks. Our neighborhood is in a relatively new section and drains beautifully. The three main ways I travel to get to work were all flooded, in several spots, so it’s good I didn’t have to worry about going in.

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    japa21 says:

    @Mnemosyne: Fortunately I was living in the Land beyond O’Hare at that point and didn’t get affected by it. But I knew some people at work who were.

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    Mike J says:

    @david10: in 1972, Bernie was not a fan of NY.

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    Enzymer says:

    Actually, 12″ of rain isn’t all that uncommon on the Gulf Coast. When I lived in New Orleans we twice had more than 20″ in a day with no hurricane. We’d have a foot at least once a year. Some of the hospitals kept boats by the ER, because the streets would have several feet of water. Got stranded at work more than once.

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    Hal says:

    MSNBC has a story about how CLinton’s lead over Sander’s is down to 2 points. The story, which comes from nbcnews concluded:

    The NBC/WSJ poll was conducted April 10-14, and the margin of error among the 339 Democratic primary voters surveyed is plus-minus 5.3 percentage points.

    I hate to pull a Karl Rove, but how reliable is that small a sample with a 5.3 margin of error?


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    Linnaeus says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    I have. I used to keep a pair of work gloves in case I needed to do something with my car on the road.

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    lamh36 says:

    Hey Hamilton-stans.

    Congrats to Lin Manuel awarded Pulitzer Prize for Drama for Hamilton


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    Keith G says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
    As Corner Stone as pointed out, that “warn’t” me.

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    lamh36 says:

    BREAKING: Bernie Sanders campaign is accusing the Clinton camp and DNC of colluding to violate campaign finance law https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bernie-2016-Letter-to-DNC-1.pdf

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Woot! Not surprised, but super happy (obviously).

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    @Mnemosyne: Mehta exoticizes Bombay/Mumbai for western audiences by presenting as a city with the ethos of wild west populated by gangsters and dancing girls, where anything goes. Since his family is originally from Gujarat, he particularly hates on Maharashtrians (Marathi speaking people) as uncouth calls them by a slur etc.
    There was a long and acrimonious fight between Gujaratis and Maharashtrians over the ownership of the city. Bombay was the capital of the Bombay Presidency which comprised of parts of the current Indian states of Gujarat and Maharashtra. Gujaratis fought long and hard to keep Bombay out of Maharashtra but ultimately lost.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mike J: Have you ever been to Plattsburgh? Bernie’s not that far off.

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    raven says:

    @japa21:I’m from Villa Park.

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    Shell says:

    @Dog Dawg Damn: I don’t think this is fun at all. And its getting more and more un-funny.

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    david10 says:

    @Hal: All the other polls taken same period or later, show Clinton up by 10-17%I It could be just an outlier or maybe we are heading for another upset of the century. In any case Berndo will go on, because you know, despite all the evidence he is the real winner.

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    Shell says:

    I think “rescued” is a bit of a stretch. The poor guy was in around 3.5′ of water

    I think he was in a slight state of shock. It even looked like he was going to go back to the car!

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    Mike J says:

    @lamh36: Wah! Hillary’s getting money from small donors, and they should rightfully belong to me!

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    karen marie says:

    @scav: I think he was drunk.
    @redshirt: Shock might account for it but not for him driving into it in the first place. I stand by a diagnosis of drunk going in.

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    Timurid says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I was just waiting for the scene where he gets stomped in a parking lot like Hunter Thompson at the end of Hells Angels. No luck though…

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    Trentrunner says:

    Looks like Erick Erickson had a major health scare, a pulmonary embolism.

    He’s been tweeting from his hospital bed how nice it is to be off Twitter.

    I wonder why his god is punishing him?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Sadly, I’ve lost touch with all of my high school friends at this point. Last I heard, my friend was a college professor (English), her younger sister was a pediatrician, and her younger brother was just finishing medical school (and that was about 10 years ago). Always startling to hear that people younger than yourself are already licensed MDs when you’re just starting grad school in the arts!

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Corner Stone: I miss my brain. And I hope that the other Keith got to dialysis.

    @raven: I still haz a jealous. And I strongly encourage you to but the tickets and make the shorter drive than we did.
    But I’m not giving much of a shit about my flowers this year, so I hear you on the anymore stuff.

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    @lamh36: The man has lost the plot.

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    Brachiator says:


    RE: As worrisome as the wild Bernie supporters?

    Worse. The Trump supporters are armed.

    Fair point. I don’t think (or now) that Trump supporters will do anything stupid, but I wonder if the anger of Trumpsters and Berniacs will subside by the time of the conventions if they don’t get their way.

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    Shell says:

    Lately Ive given up any fantasies of owning water or beach-front property.

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    Keith G says:

    @Hal: It’s all good. Or, it seems that way.

    538 has HRC holding a 99% chance of a win in NY. Of course, the real question is who gets how many delegates? Will the distance between the two increase, decrease, or stay about the same?

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    david10 says:

    @Mike J: And of course let’s just continue the narrative that each and every thing Clinton does is EVIL goddammit!!! I wish Clinton’s campaign would send a letter to the FEC about Sanders conversion of campaign funds to his personal use.
    But then, of course, the bernies would scream how can you expect us to vote for you later when you’re mean to Berndo.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Hal: Sanders has been steadily closing the gap with Clinton in the national polls, so a two point differential isn’t too far out of line with the averages at places like RCP or Pollster.

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    redshirt says:

    @Keith G: Do you know how the delegate split works in NY? If you get X% of the vote you get Y% of the delegates?

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    david10 says:

    Watching a newsfeed with Cruz and Rinse Pubis speaking, if they aren’t the most punchyface guys in the world. But how would you decide who to smack first. I mean politicians as a general thing are not paragons of beauty but where does the GOP find these guys?

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    Keith G says:


    Lately Ive given up any fantasies of owning water or beach-front property

    Move to Gainsville and let the beach come to you.

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    japa21 says:

    @david10: It somewhat surprises me the restraint that Clinton has shown towards Sanders and his campaign. She realizes Sanders’ supporters will be necessary for her to win in November. Sanders apparently thinks he can win without Clinton’s supporters.

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    scav says:

    @raven: My grandfather grew up on Salt Creek. Once reportedly caught a fish in their basement and attempted to fry it, but without cleaning it first. Family’s second house was a bit further off and didn’t provide quite the excitement (for one thing, it never burned down).

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    david10 says:

    226 NY delegates are awarded by victories in congressional districts, about 100 more are selected at the state convention plus superdelegates and yadayadayada.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @lamh36: well isn’t he the gift that keeps on giving? Christ, what an asshole.

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    Brachiator says:


    Congrats to Lin Manuel awarded Pulitzer Prize for Drama for Hamilton

    Damn! This is great!

    I was reading some of the sadly misguided articles in Slate in which very serious critics accused the play and its creators of sanctioning slavery and other evils.

    This news is a wonderful corrective.

    And I still think that “Wait for It” is one of the most gorgeous songs from the play. (Musicality Cover)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @david10: I think the close poll is national, not NY

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    lamh36 says:

    Weaver on @msnbc now saying they’re sending a letter to DNC charging HRC is pilfering $ raised for down ballot and most raised goes to her

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    Corner Stone says:


    Watching a newsfeed with Cruz and Rinse Pubis speaking, if they aren’t the most punchyface guys in the world. But how would you decide who to smack first.

    There can be no debate about this. Zero. None. Nada.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Hal: national polls are irrelevant and generally way off to boot. Sixty percent of Democrats have already voted and the ones up next are going to vote like Democrats have nationally.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I told my son a while ago that when he’s trying to remember something and it actually comes to him he should say, “Thanks brain!”. He asked why and I told him, more in sorrow than in anger, that because “it won’t always do that for you”.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @Catherine D.: I have one of those, too! Actually, I bought a crappy one first, then a year later spent good money for a good one. Last summer, some kids broke into my car and stole the good one. They left the crappy one, though, so I guess even young high schoolers know quality when they see it.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Wait, the same house flooded AND caught on fire?! Shouldn’t they have gotten out when the locusts first showed up?

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @japa21: Problem is, I’m pretty confident that if Sanders won the nomination, Clinton supporters would Do The Right Thing. However, I’m not so sure about Bernie and his guys, to be honest. There’s a reason I don’t go to my FB page anymore.

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    Brachiator says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Has anyone read Suketu Mehta’s Maximum City? I have never personally felt the urge punch an author before.

    It was on my list, but I guess I should demote it.

    I have an affection for the energy of supermajor cities (e.g., New York, London, Mumbai).

    As a related aside, I love how ordinary New Yorkers pushed back against Ted Cruz’ clumsy “New York values” crap.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @lamh36: anyone who still thinks Sanders will show class after he loses is smoking crack. This letter is basically an admission he can’t get euperdelegate votes and no longer cares. It’s to set up the narrative that he was cheated for a third party or spoiler run. You can’t spell Nader without Sanders.

    Man I hate that guy.

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    O. Felix Culpa says:

    @Amir Khalid: Good to see you! Was getting worried about your well-being during your absence from B-J conversations.

    OT: Leaving for a job interview in a few minutes, having sufficiently recovered from my last boss-from-hell experience (where do they spawn these sociopathic creatures?) to put my toes in the water again. Also too, need moar money.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    When “Hamilton” won the Grammy for its cast album, Hillary’s campaign tweeted “Can we get back to politics, please?”

    The Bernfeelers who responded had no clue at all that it was a line from the show and were ENRAGED that she was tweeting. It was kind of crazy.

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    raven says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): it’s not a drive it’s a walk

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    scav says:

    @Mnemosyne: I guess they wanted to complete the set of all twelve, I’ve no clue.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Kragar_LGF 32m32 minutes ago
    HVF Donations go to Clinton, DNC, and 33 different State Democratic Parties, all within finance law limits @samsteinhp

    @Kragar_LGF 30m30 minutes ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Victory_Fund … donors to HVF could contribute 5.4k to Clinton, 33.4K to DNC & 10k to 33 state Dem Party

    @JM_Ashby 20m20 minutes ago
    It doesn’t matter that it isn’t true, the claim that Clinton is stealing money will now become fact among Bernie’s ardent cultists

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Hopefully they at least remembered to mark their doorjamb before Passover to protect their firstborn.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: In case you missed it in the morning open thread, I posted some pics from yesterday: The Huntington. I really enjoyed the opportunity to get some pics from the Huntington, thanks again. I’m still thinking of getting a membership.

    ETA: The picture of the two girls was not taken yesterday, that is a pic of my step-daughter and her cousin. That’s at the place where you enter the passageway to get to the American Art Building. I said there had been a lion statue there, it was a dog statue.

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    david10 says:

    If the bernies stepped in dogshit they would twitstorm that she put it there.

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    scav says:

    @Mnemosyne: I’m afraid the firstborn died in a tragic workplace garage accident. Also, coincidentally, within about a block of Salt Creek.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    remember how Obama handled people who booed his opponents? Don’t boo, vote!

    erica ordenVerified account
    ‏@ eorden
    Lots of booing at Sanders rally when @ sallykohn, who is endorsing Bernie, says Hillary Clinton is an exceptionally qualified candidate.

    (Is Sally Kohn more prominent than I am aware of? Seems like an odd ‘endorsement’)

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Nice! Is that your wife and the kid from the last time you were there?

    ETA: I just saw your ETA, so that answers my question.

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    Brachiator says:


    The Bernfeelers who responded had no clue at all that it was a line from the show and were ENRAGED that she was tweeting. It was kind of crazy.


    Did you see the little articles that the producers had arranged some profit sharing with the cast? Surprising that the amounts might still be modest given the tremendous financial success of the play.

    Anyway, some Pulitzer background:

    Hamilton, Lin-Manuel Miranda’s Broadway musical phenomenon that tells the story of “ten-dollar Founding Father without a father” Alexander Hamilton, was named winner of the 2016 Pulitzer Prize in Drama.

    It joins an exclusive club of just eight other musicals that have won the prestigious award since it was founded nearly a century ago. The Pulitzer, which is awarded to “a distinguished play by an American author, preferably original in its source and dealing with American life,” includes a $10,000 cash prize.

    The last musical to win was Next to Normal in 2010. Other musicals that won the Pulitzer: Rent (1996), Sunday in the Park With George (1985), A Chorus Line (1976), How To Succeed in Business without Really Trying (1962), Fiorello (1960), South Pacific (1950) and Of Thee I Sing (1932).

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: See my ETA.

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    bemused says:


    We had 81 in NE MN yesterday but woke up to 40’s and rain this morning, enough to leave puddles. Dry here too so we need more. Hopefully it will swing down your way.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @lamh36: What a cockbag.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    If that’s not a joke (it’s hard to tell), then I don’t think I was joking about the 12 plagues. Holy shit.

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    david10 says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: She is a cnn occasional op-ed person, pretty predictable and boring actually, but aren;t they all?

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    @lamh36: Wait, the letter charging finance violations was sent to the DNC? So is this a legal action or just sounding off?

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    scav says:

    @Mnemosyne: nope, I’m afraid it’s true. Luckily there’s only about one more really really horrific event for the family after that. So they never really made the full 12.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    It’s an exclusive club. Sondheim must be ecstatic today — he’s been working with LMM for a while now and even had him write some Spanish-language and Spanglish lyrics for the most recent revival of “West Side Story.”

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Mnemosyne: @scav:

    “Wait, the same house flooded AND caught on fire?! Shouldn’t they have gotten out when the locusts first showed up?”

    Well, better that than this.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Maybe they just didn’t notice the other 9. What’s a few frogs in the house compared to the more traumatic shit? Now I feel bad about joking about it. I blame my (Irish) people.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Exactly, if something was truly up, the letter would be written to FEC, right?

    So this is just another salvo…the lies to be believed by loyalists I guess, without there being any real truth to it.

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    lamh36 says:

    Ya know, I’m not pro-HRC, I’m not anti-HRC, but I have gotten to the point that I’m definitely getting to an ANTI-Bernie…stage…

    This latest bullshit is ridiculous…

    As I said, I’m pro-Dem, and at this point, Bernie Sanders seem to be allowing his campaign team to actively run against the Democratic party.

    This has gone beyond being anti-HRC…SMH

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne: Certainly we must say that winning this Pulitzer leaves LMM feeling Satisfied.

    And yeah, Sondheim must be feeling great about Miranda’s win.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Agree, he was basically in shock and it was helpful of the reporter to tell him to leave the car and just swim. Very glad he’s okay and there was no current to speak of, even a couple feet of rushing water can be deadly. And since he’s okay, is it okay to laugh at him putting it into reverse while it’s bobbing around in several feet of water?

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    Grumpy Code Monkey says:


    I attended Southwest* Texas State University between 1983 and 1989, and that article was incredibly depressing. Each time I drive through it looks less like the place I knew. Even though I never actually lived in San Marcos (lived with my folks in New Braunfels and commuted), I spent a lot of time there. Sad to hear that it’s gotten so bad.

    But, word is that Alvin Ord’s is still serving sandwiches, so things haven’t completely gone to shit.

    El Nino years do tend to bring floods to Central Texas. 1998 saw unprecendented flooding in the area. Houses that had stood by the banks of the Guadalupe for decades were swept away, leaving nothing but concrete slabs. My folks lived between the Guadalupe and the Comal, and while they were high enough that they were never threatened, the couldn’t go anywhere for a couple of days.

    My fear is that our new normal is going to be that we get our normal total inches of rain, but that it all falls on one day.

    * My grandfather graduated from Southwest Texas Normal School, LBJ graduated from Southwest Texas State Teacher’s College, RoonieRoo and I graduated from Southwest Texas State University. Yes, I should get over it, but won’t.

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    Trollhattan says:

    Kept an open mind between the two until a couple months ago when I decided it has to be Hillary, not because she’s more likely to win (which has always been the case) but because she’s clearly more suited to the office. The shit of the past couple weeks is pissing me off no end.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:


    But how would you decide who to smack first.

    This is why there are coins to toss.


    it’s not a drive it’s a walk

    You hate me. I suspected as much.

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    lamh36 says:

    @Trollhattan: See I’m still NOT enthused at all by HRC by ANY means.

    But I consider myself a loyal Dem and these hail mary salvos from the Bernie camp is just getting on my last nerves.

    Hell, good for Bernie for still going forward. I don’t even care if he drops out or not while he’s still got support, but damn, antics like supporters ( (“making it rain” on HRC, doxing superdelegates) and surrogates (ugh…Sarandon et al) doing stupid shit I can roll my eyes HARD and let go…but this is his campaign manager, and I don’t know, but I assume the candidate agrees when his manager and linked surrogates stay and do stuff like this.

    So yeah, i’m over it.

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    WaterGirl says:


    Ya know, I’m not pro-HRC, I’m not anti-HRC, but I have gotten to the point that I’m definitely getting to an ANTI-Bernie…stage…

    This latest bullshit is ridiculous…

    As I said, I’m pro-Dem, and at this point, Bernie Sanders seem to be allowing his campaign team to actively run against the Democratic party.

    I agree with nearly every word of this. The one difference is, I am anti-HRC. But Bernie has gone off the rails and his peeps have gotten totally out of hand. Barack Obama NEVER would have tolerated his supporters behaving like that, and he let us know that loud and clear long before it could ever have ever gotten to that point.

    Bernie is now squandering all the good will he had with people who are not fanatics. I have seen bosses that I had previously respected move up the chain and become so enamored of power that they were barely recognizable. I really wonder if Bernie’s popularity has gone to his head and now he’s just on a quest for power.

    I cannot think of any other reason for him to throw the Democratic party under the bus like this.

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    Trollhattan says:

    @Catherine D.:
    Safety folks highly recommend these gizmos. The glass breaker is spring-loaded–press against the pane and pull the trigger–and it takes much less room than a hammer.

    We have folks who drive levees regularly on the job and the work trucks all have them. You have very little time to get out if you go in.

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    Trollhattan says:

    I heard your eyeroll, just then. :-)

    Way, way too much at stake here, doubly so given the “quality” of the competition.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @WaterGirl: I cannot think of any other reason for him to throw the Democratic party under the bus like this.

    Messianic delusion

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Gabriel DebenedettiVerified account
    ‏@ gdebenedetti
    3:10 PM – Sanders camp formally accuses Clinton of campaign fundraising violations.

    3:36 PM – Sanders camp fundraises off said allegation.

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    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: That’ll make the superdelegates flock to his side for sure.

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    Gimlet says:

    Maybe the Nationalists can seize the Alamo.

    A group that advocates for Texas seceding from the United States says at least 22 local Republican conventions passed resolutions last month that called for a vote on secession at the state convention, The Houston Chronicle reported Friday.

    Ten of the counties confirmed to the newspaper that the resolutions passed at their conventions, but an official count is not expected until May. That goes to show the Texas Nationalist Movement has gained some momentum since 2012, when a secession resolution passed at just one county convention, according to the Chronicle.

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    redshirt says:

    @Gimlet: “Make America Great Again!”

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    JPL says:

    @Gimlet: Texas receives a lot of money from the defense department and maybe NASA can be located in a safe blue state. Then the federal government won’t have to worry about temper tantrums.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Gimlet: I wonder if Trump will demand we build a wall and make Texas pay for it? Will Texas still be able to get their wall with Mexico? This could backfire tragically.

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    Davebo says:

    @JPL: That secession talk has been going on for years.

    The joke here was always “We’re gonna secede! As soon as they finish bailing out our S&L’s…”

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    Gimlet says:

    If Texas secedes, Cruz is ineligible to run for President.

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    scav says:

    On the upside, a TX flounce would up the international content of the World Series and whatever the NFL equivalent is.

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    Calouste says:

    @Gimlet: No, if Texas secedes, Cruz might actually be eligible to run for President. Of Texas.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Gimlet: Do you ever find yourself wondering why there’s a “link” button right above the comment box?

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    retr2327 says:

    @Dog Dawg Damn: You question whether “they will deny him the nomination when he is so close.” I’m not sure myself, but I think it’s helpful to remember that it’s not a question of whether “they” will deny him the nomination, close or otherwise; it’s about 1237 delegates (IIRC) individually voting for Trump, or not. The vast majority of Trump’s delegates will be bound to, at least on paper and for the first round, so if he has 1237 plus, he’s likely to win. But if he’s 5, 10, or 50 short, it comes down to whether 5, 10, or 50 delegates who are under no personal obligation whatsoever to vote for Trump elect to do so.

    Some very well might, in the interests of preserving the Republican party and all that. But none of them have to, which is where it gets interesting . . .

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    J R in WV says:

    I was interested in Senator Sanders until I understood he had a sparse strategy and less tactical plans to accomplish his goals. The goals themselves are admirable, but that all that is.

    Even Sanders the man is no longer admirable, not at all. If he screws the Democratic Party out of the election, I will never forgive him, and his biographies will all tell of how he destroyed democracy in America.

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    aimai says:

    @lamh36: I’ve really come around–and I suppose I have to thank the Sanders people and Sanders himself for this–to actively liking Hillary and really supporting her. The thing is I can see now, after 8 years of Obama, that you really have to have someone in the white house who can keep their eyes on the prize and just keep moving forward no matter what is slung at them. All the stuff Bernie is proposing to do? He won’t manage because he doesn’t have the sitzfleisch to accomplish it. He gets angry, he wants a quick fix and a grand gesture. She doesn’t get angry and she is under no illusions about how hard it will be to get anything done. I also see her as someone who has grown with the country. I know I have. Bill is still stuck in the past but she isn’t. I think she is someone new pressure groups can take their concerns to and that is where I’d urge the Bernie people to go next. Organize, fundraise, run candidates, and pressure her and Congress to pass specific legislation.

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    Calouste says:

    @lamh36: Has Sanders released any additional tax returns yet? Like the one from 2011 that could show that the Sanders are 1%-ers? And has he explained yet how that private plane flight to the Vatican got paid for?

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    Sanders has lost the plot. What are NY polls showing?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    O/T (as so often happens with me), but Hamilton just won the 2016 Pulitzer for drama. Mnem will be very happy, but not at all surprised, I imagine.

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    chopper says:

    when i was in college one summer i came home to stay with mom and pop to work a three month stint at a shitty job in the collections department of a credit card company. anyhoo, one night i was driving home the 30-some-odd miles back at 1am and we had t-storms all day but hit a really bad one the way back. worst i ever saw. barely made it home and went to bed and when i woke up we had gotten a total of 18 inches. whole tri-county area was flooded and the whole town was a giant lake for like 3 days.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:


    if Texas secedes, Cruz might actually be eligible to run for President. Of Texas.

    But would Mexico take Texas back and deport Cruz back to the land of his birth? Or could that cause an international kerfuffle in which the US would be somewhat unfortunately situated?

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    @Calouste: 200,000 income is definitely in the top 2%. So much for being the man of the people.

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    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Five thirty eight predicts a 55-42 spread for Clinton. Things change of course, as Michigan showed us.

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    lamh36 says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: the last thing I saw published said it was 10% and maybe an outlier that said closer, may be 6%?

    but please don’t quote me

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Michigan was an open primary, New York isn’t. I’m thinking the polling is more accurate with a closed primary. Of course, I could be wrong.

    I noticed over at LGF that Sen. Sanders has not read the classified section of the 9/11 report. He said he hasn’t because he doesn’t want to lie about the contents.

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    lamh36 says:

    Clinton campaign accuses Sanders “of trying to convince the next generation of progressives that the Democratic Party is corrupt”

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    dmsilev says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: The various aggregators show a 13 or 14 point Clinton margin. Guess we’ll find out for sure tomorrow.

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    Keith P. says:

    My house started flooding at about 4:30 this morning and didn’t slow down until about 8am. My sunken living room is under 4″ of water (pumping that out now). TONS of damage; house looks like a bomb went off. And, oh, yeah, at 8:30 this morning, my cat puked dead center middle of my bed, so I haven’t been back to sleep.
    AND I had to go to dialysis this afternoon, and it took me 3 different routes to get to a freeway that I could drive. I am at a near total nervous breakdown..HOPEFULLY my Xanax scrip is ready, because I need it BAD (and I haven’t taken Xanax in 10 years)

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    Calouste says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: In 2011, the Sanders family made at least the following:
    – $174,000 from Bernie’s Senate gig
    – ~ $40,000 from Bernie’s Social Security
    – ~ $125,000 from Jane’s job as Burlington College President up to mid October
    – ~ $200,000 from Jane’s severance package after she was sacked as President of Burlington College

    Total: ~ $539,000. Man of the people indeed.

    And even though they made all that money, their 2014 tax return shows $11 in interest and $2 in dividends, so they hardly have anything in taxable savings.

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    gwangung says:

    @lamh36: Wouldn’t the response be, “Yes, we are”?


    I noticed over at LGF that Sen. Sanders has not read the classified section of the 9/11 report. He said he hasn’t because he doesn’t want to lie about the contents.

    At best, Sanders is showing exhaustion from a grueling race. Still strikes me as a stupid and/or silly thing to say.

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    satby says:

    @Germy: Here too, patriotic colors but no mention of party affiliation. And I get Indiana advertising too, same there. But you can still tell, because the Republicans all brag about how they’ll “fight against Obamacare”

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    gwangung says:

    @Calouste: Hm. I’m just going to say, professionally, a professional couple of their age with annual income of $300-450K for ten years would be expected to have an asset base (not net worth) of $3-5 million.

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    Corner Stone says:


    maybe NASA can be located in a safe blue state.

    The Obama administration gutted the budget for NASA. The area where I live cut double digit numbers out of their city budget for several years in a row. This area was already pre-disposed to full on redstate RWNJ nonsense, and that series of decisions didn’t help anyone.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @WaterGirl: He was always like this. Your anti-HRC blinders did not allow you to see it before now.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @gwangung: If Sanders starts whispering to himself, “My precioussss…”, I wouldn’t be surprised.

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    satby says:

    @cckids: Thank you! It’s only the same as you do for your child, and that has always inspired me.

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    srv says:

    Insurance company guy told me they’ve gotten 10,000 auto claims for the San Antonio hail storm last week.

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    JPL says:

    @Corner Stone: Sorry… My brother lived in Clear Lake for several years and when we lived in Dallas, visited the area a lot.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Davebo: I wish we’d just fucking do it.

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    lamh36 says:

    ‘Ghost In The Shell’ Writer Defends Whitewashing New Movie By Claiming There Are No Good Asian Actresses – Bossip

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    Corner Stone says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    What are NY polls showing?

    Götterdämmerung if you’re in the Sanders camp

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    Mnemosyne says:


    I agree — I don’t think that Hillary is the same politician or the same candidate she was in 2008, and I think that’s a good thing. I prefer leaders who are able to learn and grow — that’s much more necessary to the job of president than pure ideology.

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    J R in WV says:


    Linguistics joke. In northern West Virginia, the vernacular is “His house burned down!”

    In southern West Virginia, they say “His house burned up!”

    In Mingo county they say “His house burned Plumb UP!”

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    Chyron HR says:


    “I wanted to cast a good actress!”

    Clearly not.

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    srv says:

    @JPL: JSC and KSC lived and died by the Shuttle. Their own fault.

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    Davebo says:

    @Corner Stone:

    The Obama administration gutted the budget for NASA.

    Gutted? I have to call bullshit on that.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Davebo: NASA in TX? Yes, gutted. They immediately RIF’ed over 10% of the workforce on the announcement of no further funding for several ongoing projects.

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    scav says:

    @J R in WV: Heaven forfend a house burn out of plumb! Although, I guess at the first stage, my grandfather’s house needed its depth plumbed, but then its plumb went up in the world.

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    @Brachiator: You and me both. Mumbai/Bombay has a special place in my heart. There is so much to Mumbai than its seedy underbelly, and glamorous film industry. Much is made of the experience of the outsider who has come to Bombay to make it big but what about an insider’s perspective, whose home Bombay has been for generations, people with names like Mahimkar, Bandrekar, Kharkar etc (names of the original fishing villages of Mahim, Bandra and Khar that made up Bombay).No one has told their story AFAIK. There are millions of white and blue collar workers, native Mumbaikars and more recent transplants who lead hectic but perfectly non glamorous and non-criminal lives, come rain or shine. They are stoic, even in the face of terrorist attacks.

    There are other things Bombay is known for besides the infamous underworld and its slums, which seems to be the focus of the writing aimed at western audiences. Among other things Mumbai is Maharashtra’s capital, so its the seat of the state government, home to India’s film and television and even the fashion world. It has produced many of India’s best cricket players, it boasts of India’s biggest stock exchange, and oldest educational institutions, its a great city for food too. The city has always been at the political vanguard, be it leftist labor movements in the 1970s or the rise of the right in the 90s or the independence struggle against the British. The Indian National Congress was formed in Mumbai in the 1885.
    Its like LA, Boston and NYC put together, in terms of its importance to India. All the focus on the underworld obviates this.

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    Davebo says:

    @Corner Stone: Well yes, as has been pointed out that was greatly due to the demise of the shuttle program.

    The Clear Lake/Webster area saw massive growth mainly by sucking off the NASA teat. The concept of the Spaceport at Ellington was particularly hilarious.

    But yes, the combination of NASA cutting off it’s own nose wrt STS and a certain economic downturn some may have read about did result in budget cuts at JSC but hey, that idiotic Space Center Houston park is still kicking.

    And the rest of the metro as a whole is laughing about people whining about a lousy 10% ROF in muddy lake while the oil industry, one that’s “mostly” not taxpayer funded, has faced reductions of at least twice that much.

    Frankly, Clear Lakers’ can cry me a river.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    The Hall of Patriots Is Currently Empty and Will Likely Remain So for the Foreseeable Future

    The Georgia-based Veterans for Trump super PAC, which registered with the Federal Election Commission in February, has filed a report declaring its intention to TERMINATE itself, effective immediately. “For what it is worth, we received 0 donations and had 0 expenses,” the filing reads.

    “We would like to TERMINATE this Super PAC, effective immediately,” the PAC declared in a filing submitted Monday. “Additionally, we were unable to file our April 15th Quarterly report due to the software failing to recognize our ID.” The super PAC had only filed its statement of organization with the FEC in February. Its treasurer, Omar Shihadeh, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    Incidentally, the Georgia “Veterans for Trump” PAC is not the only super PAC by that name to shutter recently: Another “Veterans for Trump” super PAC, based in Nevada, terminated itself in December after registering with the FEC a month earlier. It also did not raise any money, but it did receive a letter from the FEC informing it that unauthorized committees cannot name themselves after candidates.

    No Brinks trucks for them, I guess…

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    chopper says:


    oh FFS, what a complete and utter piece of shit. christ, at least lose with some goddamn dignity.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Davebo: The 10% RIF was just a start. And I, for one, find it hard to laugh off the loss of a lot of talented, highly educated individuals for a tax base that could frankly fucking use a hell of a lot more of those.
    Which part of the oil industry do you consider to not be “mostly” “taxpayer funded”?
    I think you’re way off base on this path.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Keith P.:

    I am so sorry! That sounds horrible!

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    Davebo says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Which part of the oil industry do you consider to not be “mostly” “taxpayer funded”?

    Well, the Feds and the State share a 12.5% royalty on all oil from public lands (including land far offshore) with the exception of Alaska which gets to keep 90% of the royalty.

    I’m not saying that big oil isn’t subsidized, but honestly… NASA had a good run and hopefully will come up with something to renew it but for a variety of reasons it’s been horribly administered and managed. I could offer dozens of examples of the boneheaded policies that wasted money and we aren’t talking about things mandated by the congress.

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    @Keith P.: {{{ }}} I hope things get better for you.

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    @Corner Stone: Not in any camp, but more sympathetic to the reality based candidate, who in this case is Hillary.

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    catclub says:

    @Germy: I do not live in a flood zone. I have bought flood insurance. That Memphis(?) flood
    makes it seem like betting that flood probability at my house is zero, and will continue to be zero, is not so wise.

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    srv says:

    @Davebo: I was in an MCC room and someone put up the NASA TV broadcast of the DC-XA test flight. It had a spectacular flight but caught fire after landing.

    The STSOC contractors and civies in the room cheered.

    That said, there were lots of amazing people, but all I could hear when leaving was Porkin’s voice yelling “stay on target!”

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    Davebo says:


    SpaceX’s amazing “Of Course I Still Love You” barge landing was truly incredible.

    In the end I’m sure the Feds will pay for most of it (though I’m sure other countries will be customers as well and also corporate satellite placement.

    But still, it’s exciting.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    So, I wandered back onto FB…hoo boy, was that a mistake. Not doing *that* again at least until primary season is over. Maybe not even then.

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    Riley's Enabler says:

    @Keith P.: I’ll be heading into town tomorrow from Sugar Land, can I bring you clean sheets or groceries? I’m so sorry for the dire straits. Happy to help if you need it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Keith P.:

    Well, that all sounds like a fun way to wake up. Not. I can’t really blame the cat, though — poor kitty was probably as stressed as you were!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Keith P.: Oh, so sorry to hear it! What a horrible day!

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    WaterGirl says:

    @lamh36: I’m sorry, I laughed out loud when I read what you wrote. Because all those asian actors who were passed over feel so much better about that now that they know it’s because they all suck.

    Un-fucking believable.

    P.S. I want to know why we don’t have a category called Un-fucking Believable.

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    WaterGirl says:


    …at least lose with some goddamn dignity.

    That ship has already sailed.

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    Denali says:

    @Keith P.,

    So sorry to hear this.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Well, as you know, Asians can’t act. That’s why there is no film industry in China, Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, South Korea, or India.
    /snark, in case it wasn’t sufficiently obvious

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    nutella says:

    @Keith P.:

    Glad you made it to dialysis. So sorry that everything’s so difficult. We’re all sending good thoughts your way.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

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