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Not sure I’ll be able to catch tonight’s debate live — not sure it’s worth rearranging my schedule for, frankly. But if you want to watch, out of civic obligation or in hopes of a train wreck, here’s Vox on how to do so:
Tonight’s Democratic presidential debate in New York will air on CNN. But don’t worry: If you don’t have cable, you’ll still be able to tune in. An online live stream will be free and available to all at CNN.com. The debate will begin at 9 pm Eastern…
CNN’s current link here [warning: autoplay].
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Apart from the ongoing grim march towards November, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
Someone should count how many times BS wags his finger & interrupts HRC in tonight's debate #ImWithHer https://t.co/HQgZA2SXPK
— Jim M (@JamesDallas9175) April 14, 2016
If it's a drinking game we're all going to die. https://t.co/S8arCsqEDu
— AlGiordano (@AlGiordano) April 14, 2016
redshirt
So glad I don’t have cable.
Betty Cracker
Oh no, you guys! I think Meemaw and Pawpaw are getting a divorce!
redshirt
So glad I have data limits (not really, but for this debate, yes).
chopper
wow, another one. thank fucking god people harassed DWS to have more of these fucking things, right?
different-church-lady
OMG, that cartoon is brutal!
Hal
Sanders-Clinton Debate Tonight
Schlemazel (parmesan rancor)
@chopper:
Well, it is rerun season on TV so sure, why not more reruns
different-church-lady
@Hal: LANDSHARK: Political survey…
Chyron HR
@chopper:
We’ll have one every day if necessary, until Bernie’s winning.
redshirt
@different-church-lady: Um, Candygram?
WaterGirl
@different-church-lady: That is kinda brutal, but in a good way.
I think it’s great that there’s another democratic debate. ‘Cause we surely haven’t talked about the two democratic candidates enough here on BJ.
WaterGirl over and out for the evening. Have fun you crazy kids!
mdblanche
@Betty Cracker: That was Samantha Bee’s line, wasn’t it?
I’ll be skipping the debate. I’m nursing the tail end of the flu and am so still not ready for this shit.
Gin & Tonic
I think I’ll have more enjoyment out of working on my taxes tonight.
Maybe I can give Jane a lesson.
tones
27 K – better than Obama’;s record breaker
Hungry Joe
What — if I watch I’m going to learn something?
“Orphan Black” countdown continues …
kdaug
Orphan Black
MomSense
@chopper:
I know! We hated her, loathed her for not scheduling enough debates.
Elie
I might take a peek but it isn’t with any real gusto… Dunno whether to look in at the beginning or wait until its well underway….
MomSense
@Hungry Joe:
Why hasn’t Tatiana won all the awards for her acting tour de force? I must confess that I think the plot went off the rails a long time ago but I watch to see her extraordinary acting.
MomSense
@WaterGirl:
Wait, how is your back doing?? I hope you are much better.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Gin & Tonic: Apparently only if you’re using TurboTax.
Bobby Thomson
@tones: Nope. Bernie’s full of shit. It was more like 11,000.
redshirt
Hillary’s face in that cartoon is weird. Does she have 4 eyes?
different-church-lady
Got a question: why do people send a string of a dozen three or four word texts when they could just fit everything into a single one?
Or: what is it about smart phones that turns people into idiots?
Elie
I will say, that even though its painful for us — can you imagine what it is for THEM???
But I stick by my assertion that this drawn out suffering is the necessary vetting, exposure, workout, necessary to check out our candidates for the most important elected position in the world — President of the United States. Its the least I can do to actually watch it, I suppose, though I don’t hold it against anyone to demur ….I am going to get some drinks though….
PsiFighter37
I won’t be watching. I’ve become so goddamn sick and tired of Bernie’s angry old white man act. He can go back to Vermont and shut the fuck up kindly, please.
billcoop4
Dear Hillary and Bernie,
To steal from John Fugelsang, the kids hate when mom and dad fight.
WMC
different-church-lady
@Bobby Thomson: Well, it WOULD have been 27k if only all the southern states hadn’t distorted reality.
redshirt
@different-church-lady: Mobile phones are a tool of the Anti-Buddha, designed to prevent Enlightenment.
Adam L Silverman
@MomSense: I loved Season 1 and couldn’t get through Season 2.
different-church-lady
@redshirt: Screw enlightenment, they appear to be designed to prevent communication.
raven
We just watched Better Call Saul from Monday. Mike is da man.
MomSense
@PsiFighter37:
I’ll probably hate watch but I’m so sick of Bernie. At least my mom (only Sanders supporter in the family) has finally committed to voting for Ckintonnin the general.
lollipopguild
@redshirt: Candygram for Mongo.
Frankensteinbeck
@Adam L Silverman:
That’s how I feel about this primary.
Amaranthine RBG
Same day, another pissy thread criticizing Sanders.
But remember folks, it’s the Berniebros who are impeding party unity. Why won’t they just shut up?
Elie
@Frankensteinbeck:
I hear that….
Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: Even in Iraq and Afghanistan, which in case anyone forgets were active war zones, we managed to run the elections in under two months – once things got started (the fighting over the rules between the various factions, etc often took several months longer). But here in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave it currently takes two years officially and one year unofficially before that. I fully expect that as soon as the polls close this year in NOV, CNN will be running a Decision 2020 graphic.
This is no way to run the most rural county in Mississippi, let alone a superpower!
Hal
@different-church-lady:
You’re that Clinton/Sanders debate, aren’t you?
redshirt
@lollipopguild: Mongo but pawn in game of life.
MomSense
@Adam L Silverman:
I almost stopped myself but I do like the characters she has created.
AliceBlue
I think I’ll pass. The sight and sound of Bernie do unkind things to my blood pressure.
Mnemosyne
Now that my medical drama is over (short version: it’s benign), I need to get back to researching my novel. Plus I realized I have to get over my weird residual shame that it’s not a real novel, just a romance novel. Why is it considered more respectable to write detailed descriptions of serial murder than detailed descriptions of sex, anyway?
Frankensteinbeck
@Adam L Silverman:
Yep. It will be about how Jeb Bush will win his 2020 presidential reelection campaign, and they’ll play it as the banner underneath HIllary giving her acceptance speech.
Although I’m putting at least double digit odds that they have one for ‘How will the successful Romney administration affect the next election?’
trollhattan
Krugthulu goes there.
Feebog
Watching Dr. Maddow at 6:00 pdt. May tune in for the last few minutes. It’s not like the missus and haven’t made up our minds.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Remember when people used to say “we need more debate!”
ya don’t hear that anymore. even Sanders’s fans don’t want anymore.
I’ll wait for the highlights. I just can’t stand watching him yell and scream
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Few things anger me, but the fact we burned a trillion dollars in Iraq for what? To create ISIS? Burns me bad, considering what we could do with a trillion dollars here in America.
So glad the Republicans are fiscally conservative, it might have been 2 trillion.
Adam L Silverman
@MomSense: She’s amazing at what she’s doing, but once they got to that weird farm with the first of the male clones and the breeding program/cult, I just couldn’t take it anymore.
Elie
@Amaranthine RBG:
Why do you step in with us sharks and smear blood all over your body? Are you a sadist? You’re like the guy who ladles fish guts and blood in the water while dangling his legs in the waters of the Great Barrier Reef — hmmm — how long will he last? Didn’t that peg leg you got the last time teach you anything. Are you one of those Munchhausen folks who likes to hurt himself? Surely you can find a blog where you are among those like yourself…
starscream
I’m hate-watching online (don’t have cable so I’ll catch Orphan Black tomorrow).
trollhattan
@raven:
LOVE the show. Season finale next week.
Adam L Silverman
@Mnemosyne: What if you make it a romance novel with the romantic lead as a serial killer? Or crime novel about a serial killers whirlwind romance?
raven
@trollhattan: I was afraid of that.
redshirt
@Mnemosyne: It’s an important question: Why does a PG-13 rated movie allow for multiple people to be killed in fairly gory ways yet not one breast and not more than one use of the word “Fuck” in a non-sexualized context?
Fucked up Puritans, I guess.
Major Major Major Major
The singer didn’t go for that extra note at the end, thank god!
different-church-lady
@Hal: LANDSHARK: Canvasing for city council…
Betty Cracker
This whole national anthem thing at debates in un-American. As is the stupid “God Bless America” crap in the 7th inning stretch. The terrorist have won. The end.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: There was a recent show about that very topic. I forget where.
Cacti
@Amaranthine RBG:
I feel ya.
It’s so sad when ambitious*, unqualified* whores* like Clinton ruin a progressive revolution.
(*terms used by Sanders or Sanders surrogates to describe Clinton in the past 2 weeks)
So, tell us all about what meanies Clinton supporters are to the innocent babes of the Sanders campaign.
different-church-lady
@redshirt: When they came up with the MPAA code back in the 1850s, Americans were much more familiar with violence and death in everyday life.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: I don’t disagree. We often joked that the US needed to invade the US and begin an infrastructure and economic reconstruction program.
Major Major Major Major
Did you guys know that Bernie gets $27 donations?
Mike in NC
As they used to say on The Sopranos: “This fucking guy…”
dmsilev
Sanders’ opening statement is “isn’t my campaign awesome”, complete with “we won 7 of the last 8 states”. Oy.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: Dexter? Never saw it. But know of it.
MomSense
@Adam L Silverman:
That’s what creeped me out too. I really didn’t like that LDS like cult plot.
billcoop4
@Major Major Major Major:
lamh36
Ugh…who was it wishing for more debates…I hate you…
Anyway, my neice Zoe turned 8 months old this month…Time for 8 month pics…
I have a bunch more pics on my computer and of course my sis has tons. It’s so cool to see as her personality develops. She’s a trip, a lovely trip. My youngest sis is having a baby girl in August, (same month as Zoe), can’t wait to see what that baby’s personality will be…
My favorite pic this month, so far, though is this one: #NiecyZoe looking at the birds outside her window!
Baud
@Adam L Silverman:
It’s part of my platform.
different-church-lady
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
That was back in the “To know him more is to love him more” days.
Major Major Major Major
Did you guys know that Hillary was a senator from New York during 9/11?
Adam L Silverman
@MomSense: It didn’t creep me out, it just became hard to follow. And since I was in the middle of a heavy duty project I just didn’t have time to try to figure it out.
MomSense
@Betty Cracker:
Ha. My 12 year old just complained that this isn’t a sports broadcast.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Not Dexter. I’m completely blanking on where I saw the clips, but the guy’s a serial killer and this girl falls in love with him without knowing that, but then she finds out and is turned on by it so they start killing together.
Maybe I dreamt it.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: I thought she was the mastermind behind 9/11.
I gotta stop reading the internet.
Adam L Silverman
Who thought it was a good idea to have Wolf Blitzer (the Anchor formerly known as the Vice President of AIPAC) to moderate this thing? Does the Democratic primary really need two hard of hearing so I’m going to shout all the time Jewish American guys on the stage at the same time?
Baud
@Adam L Silverman:
NOOOOO. Not Wolf?! This will be bad.
different-church-lady
@Major Major Major Major: I knew it was her fault!
MomSense
@Adam L Silverman:
This is why knitting is so helpful. I don’t feel like I’m wasting time if I watch tv and create something useful during that time.
Betty Cracker
Ooooooo, Hillz goes there!
Major Major Major Major
Hillary’s head shake there is going to become a gif
divF
@lamh36: Every time I go into the local YMCA to work out, I see a sign saying “Zoe for President!”, and I think of your niece and smile.
It’s the slogan for a national fundraiser for the Y, and their Zoe not much older than your niece.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman:
No kidding. We could have had national high speed rail, or space stations around Mars, etc. What a monumental waste of blood and treasure. It’s remarkable that we as a superpower are able to basically shrug it off.
dmsilev
Well, that escalated quickly.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: Where did she go? Benghazi?
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: I’m going to put my ear protection in. They’re both very loud!
different-church-lady
@Baud: BLITZER: Secretary Clinton, people have recently insinuated that you’re an unqualified whore. Are you an unqualified whore?
Betty Cracker
@lamh36: She’s such a cutie! That’s a wonderful age. Is she running around yet?
Baud
@different-church-lady: “I am not unqualified.”
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: I’d watch, but my TV speakers broke.
starscream
I can no longer watch these objectively but Bernie looks exhausted and out of it.
Frankensteinbeck
@lamh36:
I don’t recall anyone who wanted more debates. I recall a lot of people pissed because so few debates was a for sure sign that Hillary had gotten her stooge DWS to rig the election against Sanders in every possible way!
Betty Cracker
Undergird the insinuations!
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: The sad thing is that we actually have the wealth in the US to do all those things. We have, however, decided – or allowed to be decided for us – that we are not going to tap any of that wealth on behalf of the general welfare and to promote specific public goods. This is because we have one political party that has dogmatically adopted, as part of their fundamental ideology, that there is no general welfare and that public goods are a scam.
Ruckus
@different-church-lady:
The phones are only smart in relation to their owners. After all they are made mostly of plastic and sand. Well arranged plastic and sand but still.
Betty Cracker
@Baud: Pointed out Bernie’s NYDN interview fail.
Adam L Silverman
@different-church-lady: I’d have paid money for the answer to be: “I’m the most qualified and most expensive whore the country has ever seen – toots!”//
mike in dc
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of financiers? The Shadow Banker knows.
geg6
@Major Major Major Major:
I can’t stand another debate, so what was the head shake about?
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Such a waste.
If only we could spin infrastructure spending as part of national defense.
Baud
@Betty Cracker: Thanks.
smith
@lamh36: What a coy little smile that one has! Mischief brewing for sure.
guachi
I like what Clinton is wearing. A lot. The offwhite jacket and black shirt is flattering and a nice change from the bright colors she usually wears. Especially contrasting with the day glow blue and red background.
Note: I have the sound off or otherwise I’d probably punch my TV from something stupid being said by someone.
Elie
My summary is that Hillary starts out strong and is up in his grill pretty much from the start. He looks less strong — he looks and sounds tired. She is the big cat licking the flesh off the still wiggling carcass…
Adam L Silverman
And she goes for the quick pop!
Adam L Silverman
Barney Frank: Drink!
Major Major Major Major
@geg6: She did the thing where you sort of waggle your head back and forth to be sassy. Something hitting Sanders about Obama’s legacy I think.
Amaranthine RBG
@Cacti: @Cacti:
I was just wondering if there has EVER been a top post in here criticizing Clinton
The closest I can recall is Cole’s post that was an endorsement of her. I may be wrong about that.
different-church-lady
@Betty Cracker: That was completely unfair. They were asking him questions and then writing down what he said.
dmsilev
Every time Hillary says “President Obama”, take a drink.
starscream
Hillary is as laid-back and in control as I’ve ever seen her.
Major Major Major Major
@guachi: I LOVE her outfit. My friend disagrees.
burnspbesq
There is a replay of Liverpool – Dortmund on one of the Fox sports channels at 7:00 Pacific if you want to be entertained by something the outcome of which you already know.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Baud: no, she’s behind isis
Amaranthine RBG
@guachi: is it okay to talk about her hair, too?
redshirt
@Amaranthine RBG: Maybe that’s a clue about the quality of the two candidates?
Baud
@dmsilev:
You trying to kill us all.
different-church-lady
@Amaranthine RBG: <- Balloon Juice reader since 3 days ago.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: I’ve written a couple of papers on that. The problem is getting anyone in Congress to understand it. And those in Congress that don’t, don’t want to. Even 15 years ago these folks would have been embarrassed to go home to meet with constituents and have crumbling infrastructure. Now its a badge of honor that not one thin dime was appropriated to fix anything.
Frankensteinbeck
@Adam L Silverman:
To be fair, the people who want to do things for the ‘general welfare’ think that should include black people, too. They HAD to take a stand!
Major Major Major Major
@different-church-lady: March 21, according to the google tubez. I looked it up the other day when I was bored.
dmsilev
Question for Sanders: “Did the banks get anything for all that ‘bribe’ money they sent to Clinton when she was a Senator?”
Answer: “After she left the Senate, and after serving as SecState, she gave some speeches” FAIL.
different-church-lady
@dmsilev:
starscream
@dmsilev: seriously. That was brutal for him. How was he not ready for that question?
Elie
He just brought up her 25K speeches for Goldman. She was again, right up in his stuff and said how important it was “to get his facts straight” SNAP… then she goes onto the process of breaking them up — she KNOWS what she knows… Bernie is just sarcastic —
Somewhere she needs to ask him about those damned tax returns. Maybe not now, but sometime
Adam L Silverman
@Frankensteinbeck: Apparently.
MomSense
Speeches!!! She gave speeches! She gave speeches for yuuge sums of money.
Aleta
This is weird. Honest — My brain keeps trying to hum Get Together and then it switches to Come Together. This debate is doing it.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: Maybe in part it goes back to Republicans getting rid of earmarks, which certainly helped grease the wheels of local concerns.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: People still hate the stimulus. It’s tragic.
guachi
I’m a bit behind, but Clinton is in no-fucks-to-give mode.
Adam L Silverman
Tax Returns! Drink!
Major Major Major Major
@Adam L Silverman: I was wondering if she was going to do that.
Gin & Tonic
@redshirt:
We once did. Look up the history of the Interstate Highway System.
Elie
Dana Bash needs to stick it up her ass with the transcript from these speeches —
How about those YEAH Tax returns — but Dana Bash goes back to speeches…
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: It doesn’t help. The research seems to show no signifiant correlation, but it certainly took a collegial tool away.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Do. It. Call it what it is and be proud! Hey, Rafael Sabatini called *his* works romances!
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Self delusion is a hell of a drug.
Elie
He is gonna give up his speech transcripts but not his tax returns!!!!!
MomSense
Why are the speeches such an issue? This is way too dumb.
different-church-lady
@Adam L Silverman: Screw “drink”, I’m just going to pour a whole bottle of Knob Creek over myself. And then maybe light a match…
raven
@Elie: It’s all they got.
Baud
Sounds like they’re focusing on the issues regular people care about.
Bobby Thomson
@starscream: He didn’t answer it when she asked him to his face several debates ago. He’s a fucking bully.
MomSense
@Mnemosyne:
Who cares about respectability. Just have fun.
redshirt
@Baud: I just read an article that the Maine House (Big Dem majority) and the Maine Senate (minuscule Repub majority) just passed a motion to allow for increased Medicare under the ACA, but it’s 100% expected to be vetoed by the Governor. The Feds would provide 9 dollars for every 1 dollar the state provides.
Nope! Fuck people.
Frankensteinbeck
Serious question: Who swung first?
dmsilev
Tax returns. And he blames his wife. Classy.
guachi
@Amaranthine RBG:
Yes, you can talk about her hair. I think it’s fabulous. I saw Clinton in person in SC and her hair is great.
Clinton even tweaks her own fashion sense in her Twitter feed by calling herself a pantsuit afficianado.
Ella in New Mexico
Paid Speeches! Unreleased Tax returns! Unqualified! Bad Judgement Whores!
Why do we have to turn into the R’s to make everyone happy?
I REALLY don’t want to know what Bernie’s glove size is….
starscream
Why is this crowd cheering a lack of investment?
redshirt
@Gin & Tonic: That was my reference.
But I don’t think Republicans even care about national defense these days.
Mike J
@tones: That isn’t 27k. Even if it were, Sanders had more people at his rally in Wyoming that voted in the caucus. Rallies don’t mean shit.
starscream
@Frankensteinbeck: Hillary bringing up the interview, I’d say.
Mike J
@Mike J: s/that/than
Baud
@starscream: They are probably drunk.
different-church-lady
You know, the last thing you want in a president is speech-giving.
MomSense
@redshirt:
Have you been following the cuts to social services programs? It’s horrific.
Miss Bianca
@Adam L Silverman: Unfortunately, that’s not a joke…
Gin & Tonic
@different-church-lady: I’m enjoying a cocktail right now, and not watching the debate. It’s possible to do that, you know.
Major Major Major Major
Blitzer’s not doing a terrible job, oddly enough.
Csbella
Is the audience miked more loudly in this debate than in past? Yuk.
satby
Darn the luck, I forgot to pay the electric bill and it’s shut off, so I have to miss this debate. Sad face.
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Shut your mouth.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Elie: but Dana Bash goes back to speeches…
What do people want her to say?
I’m not watching, somebody let me know if the CNN-bots– Bash and Tapper?– bring up climate change.
(Bash and Tapper should be cockney rhyming slang for something)
RedDirtGirl
@Mnemosyne: That’s WONDERFUL news!!!
different-church-lady
@Gin & Tonic: I’m not enjoying a cocktail and not watching the debate.
I need to fix that first thing…
Elie
The lioness grabbed the throat of the zebra and hung on, for a long time it seemed she might not get it down on the ground…..Its forelegs buckle….
Amaranthine RBG
Somebody should ask Sanders about this: http://gawker.com/bernie-sanders-suspends-staffer-for-criticizing-israeli-1771110775
Mnemosyne
@lamh36:
I love that Zoe has already mastered side-eye at only 8 months. I saw it in the chocolate cake video when she looked over like, “What are you laughing at?”
Elie
@different-church-lady:
Yes, that is what you need to fix immediately…
Gin & Tonic
@guachi:
Sure hope she spells aficionado correctly.
divF
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Fapper.
ETA: answer to cockney rhyming slang.
Baud
@Elie:
You are the next David Attenborough.
Bobby Thomson
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t this supposed to be the foreign policy debate?
redshirt
@MomSense: Yep. So sad what’s become of this state and the trends that allowed it to happen, the same trends that seem to have radicalized a good portion of the country.
I can’t explain it except as the last gasp of a dying order. Hopefully!
burnspbesq
Sounds like Clinton is mopping the floor with Sanders.
Is she getting paid only 71 percent of what a man would get for the same work?
Elie
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
No climate change yet, but Whatsisname rode Bernie good about the damned taxes and he promised to release his 2014 taxes tomorrow… nothing about the previous years…
Betty Cracker
@Csbella: New York, I reckon.
Major Major Major Major
A $15 federal minimum wage is, at present, a bad idea. Sheesh.
Mnemosyne
@Adam L Silverman:
If I get it published and get to include an Author’s Note, Imma send you a hard copy with Fabio on the cover so you can explain it to your colleagues. Preferably when you’re embedded overseas again.
Oh, they’ll mock, but I bet they’ll ask to borrow it. ;-)
Elie
She is giving a tutorial on raising the minimum wage and the practical realities… she is doing the deed — she knows the fucking facts — she addresses getting the democratic congress…
jl
@Gin & Tonic:
afficianada?
Quite a lively debate. They are going New York on each other. Hope they don’t go GOP on each other.
Not much interesting substance since I tuned in. I don’t care about transcripts, I don’t care about how Jane does the Sanders taxes and I don’t care about 15 bucks versus 12.50. I have to go to gym class, so won’t have to suffer through much more if it stays this way.
mike in dc
Somehow she messed up her response on minimum wage.
schrodinger's cat
@Adam L Silverman: The Election Commission in India does a fantastic job conducting elections. Right now it is conducting State assembly elections in 4 states. Same rules across the states, career bureaucrat is the head of the Commission.
Mike J
@Major Major Major Major:
Even Seattle is in the process of phasing it in.
billcoop4
She went with nuance and fact.
Major Major Major Major
Well, so far all I know is that I’m losing the debate.
I think Baud! might be winning.
Adam L Silverman
Guns!
Elie
@burnspbesq:
I agree — Its good practice — kinda — for when she faces one of the psychotics that the Republicans put up…
She is the BOSS BITCH tonite….
starscream
Bernie just said “equivoquate”
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: Not being invited is the best thing that could have happened to my campaign.
JPL
Get off my lawn..
Major Major Major Major
@Mike J: I like the way they did it in NY and CA… which is the right way to do it for NY and CA (and Seattle). It’s different in say Kentucky.
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
When does 15 take effect in CA? 2022? We couldn’t get $15 passed in Portland, Maine. Let’s get $12 now and then work to get $15.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Who shot first? Hillary or Bernie?
JPL
Bernie laughing about guns is not a good thing… imo
Iowa Old Lady
I am back from the United Fund dinner. I may have had too much wine. I think I’ll just read here this live blog rather than trying to find the reomte. Remore. Temort. Screw it.
chopper
@Baud:
You have them both right where you want them, dogg.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Amaranthine RBG: so Sanders doesn’t care if his staff and surrogates call Hillary ‘unqualified”, a “whore”, nothing more than “a uterus” or say Trump will bring a glorious revolution or South Carolina is like winning Guam, but criticizing wingnut Likud is the red line.
dmsilev
Clinton beating Sanders over the head with a rifle barrel.
jl
Gawd. Both are so irritating tonight. HRC rev’s into that lecturing tone I hate. Sanders is yelling and pointing and ending up with admitting that the difference is between ‘good’ and ‘better’.
I’m switching to mild mannered nice guy. Christie still in the race?
Edit: Probably I just don’t like the famously mild and gracious mid-Atlantic political style.
dmsilev
@Baud:
Han shot first, of course.
Ruckus
@efgoldman:
Never seen the reflection that you see but I can not imagine it is as angry as Sanders seems on a regular basis.
Major Major Major Major
@MomSense: Top of my head, four years with a potential one-year delay by the Executive should something(?) happen?
Adam L Silverman
@schrodinger’s cat: There’s a reason that when we help rebuild a country, we either help them establish a parliamentary system or a Federated state system like Germany’s. We do not help them establish a system like ours. When I pointed this out in a meeting with some State Department folks in Iraq they looked murderous and the Army folks were trying not to snicker.
jl
@chopper: Baud! 2016! silent strength shows through again, more than ever.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Han shot first!
Bobby Thomson
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: But Bernie “I will crush ISIS” Sanders will definitely stand up to AIPAC later because reasons.
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
@MomSense:
I know, I’m just being a baby. I found some articles on The Google that made me feel better.
Major Major Major Major
answer the question, Senator
Major Major Major Major
we need to make sure that guns stay out of the hands of those who do not have them!
Joe Bauers
@Cacti:
Outrageous! She is a *highly* qualified ambitious corporate whore!
JPL
@Major Major Major Major: no shit. .now I’ll never be able to have a gun…
we are definitely entering into get off my lawn territory.
MomSense
@Major Major Major Major:
I just checked and it is 2022 but the point is really that even in one of the most liberal and democratically run states, $15 isn’t happening immediately.
If I ruled the world it would be $25 yesterday.
patroclus
I just turned this on – have they been shouting at each other the entire time?
Baud
Have they said where they stand on dildos? Need to draw contrast with Cruz.
Miss Bianca
@Mnemosyne: Fabio as a serial killer lover boy? Is his hair still perfect?
Elie
@jl:
She had to demonstrate her dominance and she did that. As President she will have to do that from time to time so its time to see her tools. She had to show him the stick and she also had to use it on him a bit. He’s had it all his way, very little criticism in the press, all good. She had to “show him up” cause he thinks he is something he is not. That is life. You run the race and find out. I still can’t believe he thought he was ready for prime time, but she had to claim her space….
different-church-lady
@Baud:
I’m guessing “bedroom”, although Hillary’s answer might be ‘dungeon’.
Major Major Major Major
@patroclus: sometimes they shout towards the camera
Anne Laurie
@efgoldman: I’ve met you, sir, and you are a lot better-looking than Senator Sanders. More courteous, also! — not that that seems to be very dfficult :)
Csbella
@patroclus: they are practicing for the ge debates with drumph
Adam L Silverman
@patroclus: YES! WHY DO YOU ASK?!?!?!?!
magurakurin
I can’t see the debate. The cnn page won’t go past the flash update popup that doesn’t seem to do anything at all. What happened to the days when these things were like free everywhere? Didn’t you used to be able to watch all of these on Cspan? Oh well, I only wanted to watch for the laughs. This debate won’t change any minds at this point.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: Wouldn’t that be more or where do you sit or lounge?
debbie
@Elie:
Enough already.
You’re very free with your gloating and your assumptions about others’ beliefs, but I don’t know where you get off telling anyone they should be looking for another place to post.
Just stop it.
SarahT
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Bash & Tapper = Trash & Trashier ? Tush & Crapper ? Flush & slap him ?
Mnemosyne
@Miss Bianca:
But of course!
Elie
@dmsilev:
Hillary shot first, second and third…
And then she stabbed him
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: Whatever’s your pleasure.
lamh36
@Betty Cracker: Not quite yet. We thought she was attempting to crawl, but my sis noticed she actually like to stand when you hold her hands. The doctore told her that some baby’s don’t crawl and just progress to walking instead. The doc thinks Zoe is gonna go straight to walking.
So my sis brought her some walking shoes and one of those walkers and sure enough, she’s managing to push the walker backwards, inches at a time, but soon enough she’ll be up and running.
patroclus
And why isn’t the crowd silent and respectful? This is very annoying!
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: And that’s why I mentioned it was a tool for collegiality. Its the problem with a lot of these measures that we use in social science and behavioral science research that a lot of what we need to capture to better understand things is so intangible that it can’t be measured.
Miss Bianca
@Iowa Old Lady: I wish I hadn’t drunk so much mead last night when I was bottling it…I shoulda saved it for tonight!
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Watching 1964 – The American Experience, about the Civil Rights Act, the Freedom Summer, and Rick Perlstein explaining Goldwater and his racist base. 50 years later, and we’ve still gotten fucking nowhere around this issue. All I know is that any political movement that dismisses the black vote is not only not a revolution, but actually much worse than useless.
lamh36
@Mnemosyne: she really does. she has a cousin who’s 5 years older, but a complete brat. The kids likes to throw tantrums at the drop of a hat. one day the cousin was at my granny and having a tantrum….Zoe just kept looking over at her with an expression like…”what is wrong with her”…lol
geg6
Okay, the fucking finger needs to be broken. I’d have done it by now, so good self-control on Hillary’s part.
And yes, you people suckered me in to tuning in.
starscream
I don’t get why there’s so much attention on a 1994 bill that they both supported and hardly any questions about what they’ll do going forward.
schrodinger's cat
@geg6: Is his voice hoarse too, from all that shouting? Is he going deaf?
Baud
@starscream: They get their questions from Twitter insults.
Elie
@debbie:
I was responding to a specific person’s comment. Not yours. It seemed to me in his comment, that he was opening himself for attack. I questioned why anyone would want to do that — and yes, I used very aggressive symbolism. I am sorry that you got caught in that, but I did not cc you in the response. Yes, I am sometimes a fucking bitch. I know that and do not mean it personally. I feel strongly about this campaign and I am showing it. It is not my intention to tell anyone to go or stay here. But I did notice that he was purposely sticking his head back into a hostile situation and I did wonder why…
So please understand to you and anyone. I am NOT asking anyone not to comment here. Only asking why, if someone feels continually abused, why keep asking for more? And I am not gloating. From my perspective, she is kicking his ass. That is my perspective. I am only responsible for my own opinion.
Gin & Tonic
@debbie: You know, the poster in question has been here for a couple of weeks at most, and has done nothing (IIRC) but bitch about B-J being primarily a pro-HRC site. Which, at this point, seems to be accurate. Pointing out that the poster is free to go elsewhere if s/he doesn’t like the conversation here is unobjectionable, in my view.
rikyrah
@lamh36:
Love ❤ the pictures. The bond between the two of you is obvious.
patroclus
Whew! Thankfully, a commercial. This is the worst Democratic debate I’ve ever seen. I need some enya.
Bobby Thomson
@starscream:
Easy. Bernie can’t answer the latter set of questions and CNN is all about the horse race. Plus Leslie Blitzer is an idiot.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@geg6:
If that thing comes within 10 feet of me, it’s coming off.
jl
@Baud: Moderation sucks as usual. Several times one makes charges, and then moderators don’t really give time for a straightforward response. No follow up or challenges when either go into stump speech mode.
That is why the brave ‘I stand mute’ protest of Baud! 2016! in this debate is so admirable. (Edit: meant being defeated by my weakness of will)
Time for my gym class, so I won’t have to experience my weakness of will being defeated tonight.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I’m sure Hillary’s in favor of dildos, she put them on the White House Christmas Tree, after all.
geg6
@debbie:
I honestly believe that in this particular case, the troll in question, who just showed up out of the blue a couple of weeks ago, does nothing but bitch that the comments here don’t bon’t precsely follow the path said troll thinks we should be following. I don’t see it as out of place to tell said troll that if he doesn’t like the conversation here, he is free to find a more amenable conversation elsewhere and that no one gives a shit that the troll is pissed that the commentariat here won’t follow his lead. And telling people to shut up might be more rude than inviting a troll to take his butthurt elsewhere.
Baud
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: If I had a nickel for every time I’ve heard that…
Major Major Major Major
@debbie: @geg6: Yeah, this guy’s really f*cking annoying.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Hertberg, whom I generally like and find this surprising from, is getting some pushback on twitter…
… and not from eggs, glancing at the replies I saw Melissa Block, Garance Franke-Ruta and Karen Tumulty registering their displeasure.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA: I still can’t believe that was a thing.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: Where do they stand on dildos? Why would they stand on dildos?
bmoak
@redshirt:
That’s what Eisenhower did to sell the Interstate Highway System.
jl
@BillinGlendaleCA:
” I’m sure Hillary’s in favor of dildos, she put them on the White House Christmas Tree, after all. ”
Dildos and Billdos in the WH, I do miss the depravity of the Clinton years.
Baud
@jl: IT WASN’T EVEN THEIR PLACE!!!
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@efgoldman: and (I’m a little vague on the details of this one story) he’s either about to or just did travel to Europe. I’m not quite fifty and jet lag knocks me for a loop
ETA on the topic of another political story I’m only vaguely aware of, I can’t decide if talking about Ted Cruz and dildos (dildoes? Can we ask Dan Quayle?) is disgusting or redundant.
Baud
@Miss Bianca: Good edit. This is a family blog.
Adam L Silverman
Why does Senator Sanders want to tax cabins?
Betty Cracker
@Miss Bianca: My hubby and a neighbor made a big batch of mead a couple of years back. Gotta be careful with that stuff! They bottled it in 12 ounce bottles, and I made the mistake of sucking it down as if it were beer. Nope!
Major Major Major Major
@Baud: Didn’t keep them from trying to steal the furniture.
geg6
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
As well he should. He’s actually bitching about Hillary being shrill when that old disheveled jerk does nothing but shout and finger wag? Fuck Hertzberg. Sideways. With the proverbial rusty chainsaw.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: what’s a tax cabin?
Adam L Silverman
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: He’s flying over for a Vatican research center’s symposium on economics.
jl
@Baud:
You are the clear winner of this debate. As a future Democratic president, you owe it to the country to explain how your administration is completely illegitimate
Baud
@Major Major Major Major: And all those W’s from the keyboards.
MomSense
@the Conster, la Citoyenne:
Finger broken.
Baud
@jl: I thought that was obvious.
magurakurin
@efgoldman:
then he’s gonna be really grumpy tomorrow, dude is hopping on a private jet to Rome immediately after this debate, then he will have an hour to get settled, go to the Vatican to give his 10 minute speech and hope Francis stops by to shake his hand at the coffee break, and then back on the jet to New York. Should do wonders for his body clock.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
What the fuck?
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: He keeps saying: “Secretary Clinton do you want to tax cabins?” As in levying revenue requirements on log homes.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
Major Major Major Major
1. go nuclear!
*ducks*
2. heh. sanders said doo-doo.
jl
@Baud: I meant besides the degenerate wastrel and vile hypocrite things. GOP can’t make much hay out of that anymore.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@Gin & Tonic: Defense Production Act Title III also, too.
Cheers,
Scott.
The Ancient Randonneur
@Baud: It’s where you keep your rent boys
BillinGlendaleCA
@geg6: You know who used to work for Hertzberg?
geg6
@geg6:
And while I’m ranting, there is no lack of sexism and misogyny among liberal men. The best I can say is the worst of them is not as bad as the best Republican. Which is the lowest bar imaginable.
magurakurin
I imagine the reason Clinton doesn’t want to release those transcripts is because there would be countless opportunities for the Republicans to take bits and pieces out of context and make nice attack ads with them. And I also think that she feels Trump probably has some really good gems to be found in his speeches and she wants to save hers as a bargaining chip.
patroclus
@bmoak: Actually, the Interstate Highway system was primarily a Democratic initiative, led by Sam Rayburn, who had first passed the Highway Act of 1944. He just agreed to have it named after Eisenhower in order to help win Republican support. They had disagreements about the funding of it, but both sides supported it strongly.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud:
It’s were Jane has Bernie’s tax returns.
magurakurin
@BillinGlendaleCA: yeah, the Manson Family.
Baud
@The Ancient Randonneur: It’s the basement?
Kropadope
@debbie:
It’s the hot new thing at Balloon Juice.
@Elie:
At least I’m not alone in noticing the hostility.
geg6
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Don’t tell me Griftwald.
Major Major Major Major
@BillinGlendaleCA: haaahahahaha. actual LOL.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: What’s the issue being debated?
Major Major Major Major
How is Libya worse off now? I’ve never understood that.
BillinGlendaleCA
@geg6: Tweety.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@satby: :-( I hope it’s not too painful to get it straightened out. Hang in there.
Cheers,
Scott.
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: I thought it was climate change, but this whole cabin thing has me thinking vacation lodging.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Major Major Major Major:
They don’t have a functioning government, though you’d think Republicans would like that.
mike in dc
Christ, there’s another hour of this? It just feels like they’re arguing the same points in every debate.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: I live in a log cabin. This is all getting very personal now.
MomSense
@satby:
Damn, I’m sorry. No fun to come home to s dark house. Sending a big hug
Baud
@Adam L Silverman: That can’t be right. Why would they discuss climate change at the Democratic debate?
Major Major Major Major
and how is “libya moving to democracy” not “regime change”?
geg6
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Oh gawd. Well, if Tweety is any indication, misogyny is what’s for dinner!
Miss Bianca
@Betty Cracker: Major nope. *Very* dangerous for debate night drinking games, in other words. ; )
Major Major Major Major
@BillinGlendaleCA: I mean I get that it’s not really a country any more, but it wasn’t exactly great to begin with.
Adam L Silverman
@redshirt: We used to have a log cabin – my Dad built it (paid for someone to build it, he was all thumbs) as a retirement home.
I hope Baud has figured out I was being a smartass in regard to Senator Sanders pronouncing carbon as if it was cabin.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@mike in dc: I never understood the people clamoring for more.
Anybody got a spare pinky? Maybe a juice box?
Adam L Silverman
@Baud: I know, seems nuts to me too.
jl
I have to go just as debate is getting interesting. I’ll check the youtube tomorrow.
If the moderators bring up the ***ghazi or *mail words, I expect Baud! 2016! to smack them one good. He needs to do something in this debate.
Gin & Tonic
@I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: Me, I’m impressed by her ability to post here on this blog without electricity. That’s real willpower.
Baud
@Adam L Silverman:
No.
Pouts
geg6
@Major Major Major Major:
Seriously. I’m not sure which is worse, though I suspect I’d prefer chaos to Ghadaffi (sp?).
Major Major Major Major
isolationism is isolationism, Senator
guachi
Hillary basically filibustered her Libya response. I think because it really hasn’t turned out as well as she had hoped.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Adam L Silverman: I figured it out, though I had to get out my Brooklyn/English dictionary.
redshirt
@Adam L Silverman: This is certainly a retirement home as well.
patroclus
The meeting two days ago in Libya was actually a very positive sign. It was the first time the EU foreign minister had been there for years and most ambassadors were there. Now, the security may have been good only in the small area where the meeting was held and the remainder of the country seems to be dominated by various warlords (including ISIS), but there is at least some momentum towards stabilization.
Baud
@geg6:
Can’t speak for Libyans, but I’d prefer chaos to Trump or Cruz.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: @Adam L Silverman: I’ve heard of tax shelters before, but this is first time I’ve heard of “tax cabins”.
geg6
@Baud:
That was kinda the thought in the back of my mind.
patroclus
I thought Agent 86 and Agent 99 had overcome KAOS and it wasn’t a problem anymore.
redshirt
Unexpected downside to a log cabin: Bugs like to live in the knots and cracks and soon enough there are 50 ladybugs on your epic picture window.
We don’t need more taxes!
Baud
@efgoldman: You are grumpy.
BillinGlendaleCA
@patroclus: Every time I see “warlords”, I think of this.
redshirt
@efgoldman: Sorry.
WarMunchkin
Went to an HRC event in NYC for this, and I had to leave because s debate made me physically sick. This WWE bullshit doesn’t serve anyone. Ban crowds please.
geg6
@efgoldman:
Heh. That’s why I stay away from late night threads. That, and sleep.
Elie
My opinion: I wanted to see a dominant performance by a woman who wants to be the first woman president of the lead world super power. To do that, she would have to claim her space — be authoritative and though not impolite or a bitch, send a make no mistake signal that she is in charge. She would/will have to do that in that position in many many situations that have enormous implications for our safety, security and overall wellbeing. She will potentially ask people to sacrifice a great deal, including their lives in her decisions, and she is gonna have to be tough enough to do that and withstand all kinds of criticism and abuse. She has shown herself to have a tough hide and a clear/sharp mind. I make it less about him being not up to it than her being overwhelmingly the best person to steer our “chariot of the sun”. Bernie has done his country a great service and he should be proud. But he is not presidential material and there is no shame in that — few are. I hope he is able to bring it around to support her and winning this next very important election. If he doesn’t we will have to push on nevertheless.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
If jacking up the heating bills of the working class with a regressive carbon tax is such a good idea why don’t they have one in the utopian paradise of Vermont?
starscream
The crowds are terrible on both sides. Why are they there?
Adam L Silverman
@efgoldman: Its up, just for you.
Miss Bianca
@Baud: Grumpy Bear is the latest superhero out there. He’s just an average, jazz-playing bear in NYC who mauls people who talk about stuff he doesn’t like. As a public service. Don’t tell efgoldman!
redshirt
@efgoldman: Your own open thread. See what grumping can do?
Uncle Cosmo
@Mnemosyne: I know I’m very late to this, but felicitations on the MD (medical denouement). A friend ran pretty much the same gauntlet a few years back, with the same benign result, & I well remember how stressful & unsettling the process was for her.
Matt McIrvin
@lamh36: My parents tell me I never really crawled. I just sort of rolled around like a log, and then started walking (fairly late).
Zoe is amazingly cute.
JustRuss
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
“So then I give her a bit of the ol’ Bash & Tapper, and Bob’s your uncle!”
Yes, that totally works.
StellaB
@Baud: I’ve been told that she’s behind Citizens United. Apparently David Bossie is really her evil minion.
VFX Lurker
@lamh36:
Adorable!!! Thank you for sharing these.
Original Lee
@Adam L Silverman: I co-sign this idea.
redshirt
So who won the debate?
akryan
@redshirt: I. Totally. Agree. Earmarking was the grease that got shit done. They were never the huge wastes of money that they were made out to be. Some of them were silly. Most of them were geared toward some type of infrastructure though, because having big machines building things is a really tangible way for congress critters to show their constituents how effective they are. Ever since earmarking ended there is no incentive to compromise on anything. Full disclosure: I’m from AK, so for a long time we were the biggest earmark whores in the nation (probably still are) because our senator was chairman of the senate appropriations committee. I’m a little biased.
No One You Know
@different-church-lady: Connection timeouts, fat fingers, and bad speech-to-text?