Damn it, Janet!

I’ve been a little disappointed in the low level of vitriol n’ derp so far in the Democratic campaign, so I was glad to see Susan Sarandon say maybe Trump would be better than Hillary because revolution.

Of course, the reality is that almost no Bernie supporters will vote for a Republican in November if Hillary’s the nominee and almost no Hillary supporters will vote Republican in November if Bernie’s the nominee.

On the other hand, I’m not so sure about the #NeverTrump people. I originally thought they’d all come around to Trump if he’s the nominee (I don’t think it’s a given he will be) but now I’m not so sure. Federal Republican office holders and national GOP party operatives have to back him because it’s the smart move (Tessio was always smarter), but I wonder if the conservative punditocracy can use the Trumpocalypse to prove to the world that they truly are independent-minded Burkeans of no clique or party.

Is there any chance that we could see a post-Both Sides Do It campaign? I’m not talking about the real dead enders — I know Ron Fournier will be in a bunker tweeting death to the duopoly for years after our current political system, as well as twitter, have ceased to exist. But now that Cokie herself is committing journalism against Trump….

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    Can I have some of your drugs? Did you suggest Cokie Roberts committed an act of journalism?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I think he needs them all to maintain.

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    Baud says:

    Trump/Sarandon 2016!

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    Face says:

    Trump aint getting the nomination. Its going to Kaisch, who the powerbrokers know is most electable. MSM will cream their pants over how “moderate” he is.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Face: And then Trump goes third party.

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    rikyrah says:

    @Face:
    They are gonna give the nomination to not the person in 1st or 2nd place….but, third? Really??

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    Baud says:

    @rikyrah: Remember when Rubio kept finishing third and they treated him like the winner. The precedent is set.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    But as someone else here pointed out recently, that would guarantee his losing and Trump *hates* to lose. unless he deludes himself into thinking he could win…or unless he hates Kasich that much (as who might not, for to know him is to hate him).

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    dr. bloor says:

    committing journalism

    You misspelled “protecting her investment portfolio.”

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    Punchy says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: If this happens, being in a super red state, I’d be best to vote for Trump. Anything to keep the GOPer from winning the state, being that HRC wouldnt win this state in 10000 years…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Miss Bianca: If they maneuver him out of nomination, he will hate the GOP.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Eh, I don’t see it. He’ll make a lot of noise, but I think he’ll have lost interest by then.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: 12 states have filing deadlines for independent candidates that fall before the conclusion of the Republican convention, including some large ones like Texas, Illinois, North Carolina, Florida and Michigan.

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    But now that Cokie herself is committing journalism against Trump….

    RUFKM? After what happened in 2000, that person is dead to me. Nothing evokes as much vitriol and bitter recriminations as mention of that supposed ‘journalist’.

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Telling you.

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    RaflW says:

    Sarandon said on the twittbox tonight that she didn’t say what’s being tossed about, that we should see the interview. But with no link, of course, for us to see it. Anyone?

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    MattMinus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    How? It’ll be too late to begin the work of getting on ballots by the time the nut cutting is done, no?

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    BBA says:

    Both Sides Do It Now, Both Sides Do It Forever!

    Also, if Hillary is elected, it’ll be because she was running against an obvious lunatic and won the election by default, yadda yadda yadda, therefore the GOP has a mandate to have their agenda passed and why is Hillary being such a shrill obstructionist?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Write in. Temper tantrum. No chance at winning, but that wouldn’t be the point. Denying the nominee the win would be the point.

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    amk says:

    rich & famous lecturing the rubes. what else is new?

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Gin & Tonic: IIRC Alabama’s filing deadine is April 30. I’d used this factoid a month ago to convince my BIL that Bloomberg wasn’t running (“If Me’fa’ Mike is running, he’d be collecting signatures right now. See anyone anywhere collecting signatures for him?”).

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @MattMinus: Unless he’s been secretly working on collecting the signatures already. (Don’t know if he’s technically allowed to do that, and also it seems like more subtle trickery than Trump usually employs, but who knows?)

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    BBA says:

    @FlyingToaster: To be fair, Bloomberg might have just skipped Alabama as a lost cause. Or anywhere outside the Upper East Side for that matter.

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    dmsilev says:

    @BBA:

    Also, if Hillary is elected, it’ll be because she was running against an obvious lunatic and won the election by default

    Which brings up an interesting question. If the election plays out that way, how does the GOP jigger their primary rules to prevent a repeat? Hard to see an obvious answer, since the root of the problem is the GOP primary electorate.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    If they maneuver him out of nomination, he will hate the GOP.

    Hasn’t the ratfucking already begun? I will be shocked if there is not some type of coup attempted.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @BBA: He’ll carry Medford, MA!*

    *Heh.

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    RandomMonster says:

    She’ll just ride out the non-revolution that occurs in a Trump presidency with the millions of dollars in her bank account. Rich people are so stupid and self-indulgent.

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    redshirt says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Oh I hope so! It would be such wonderful anarchy.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @FlyingToaster: The deadlines for running as an independent are later than filing deadlines for the party primaries/caucuses.

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    Face says:

    @rikyrah: The modern GOP is nothing if not inconsistent, impulsive, and petty. Too many people detest Cruz (I get the feeling that even rock-ribbed GOPers fear the kind of apocalypse Cruz would manifest), and they all abhor The Don. So yes, that leaves Kaisch.

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    Baud says:

    @RaflW: The TPM article in the post as a link to the video.

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    Wag says:

    No matter what happens, this’ll be the wildest ride of an election in my life.

    Trump v Sanders? Battle for the soul to the
    Country. Go Bernie!

    Trump v Clinton? Battle for the heart of the country

    Trump v Clinton v (Kasich or Cruz)? Battle for the popcorn industry and snack time futures.

    It’s going to be epic.

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    benw says:

    @BBA: also, if Hill or Bern is elected, any decisions that have to be made at any point in their 4 year term, like appointing judges or proposing a budget, will have to wait until the American people can have their voice heard in the next election. This is a democracy, you know, not a Democratic fascist state!

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    I watched Hardball tonight for a few minutes and Matthews expressed shock that the Lewindowski arrest is such a big deal.

    Matthews has some serious issues.

    I mean, I realize to Tweety assaulting a reporter doesn’t arise to the offense of a private email server, but aside from the misogyny, how could you think the arrest of a campaign manager wouldn’t be a big deal.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @dmsilev:

    Superdelegates?

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    WarMunchkin says:

    @BBA: Yup. This. Democrats didn’t win, Trump lost, Republicans “won” the Senate because more seats out of 33 and they have a mandate to stop Hillary in the House until the next election. Did I miss anything?

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    ThresherK (GPad) says:

    Cokehead climbed down from the umpire’s chair and now says Stop Trump, for…the good of the GOP? The country?

    Hey, lady, if the country means that much to you, why not skip the middleman and tell America to elect the Democrat?

    (No, I didn’t read it. My stomach’s not that strong.)

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @FlyingToaster: Lest I seem like I actually know what I’m talking about, I’m just cribbing from this source.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    but I wonder if the conservative punditocracy can use the Trumpocalypse to prove to the world that they are truly are independent-minded Burekans of no clique or party.

    They’re gonna try. David Brooks certainly is giving it a shot.

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    sharl says:

    Here is the movie scene featuring Ms. Sarandon doing a fine singing job as half of a romantic duet (a dork romance, or “dorkmance” if you will). This is, of course, the very scene that inspired the title of this post.

    Ayup …{snaps suspenders}… it ain’t Clint Eastwood or Lee Marvin in Paint Your Wagon, but she did just fine.

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    magurakurin says:

    Developments on today’s episode of As the DKOS Turns. Kos put OPOL on a time out. For those who want to keep up with the junior high level gossip…I’m you’re go to to person…

    Not sure it would matter if Trump was on the ballot. He’ll just go around making appearances, saying crazy stuff and get heaps of free media. I don’t imagine he would be doing the the third party thing because he actually thought it would work, it would be out of pure spite and revenge if the GOP cheats him out of the nom.

    Also, too, it seems that Tad Devine has managed to piss off Rachael Maddow with his, “we only lost because we weren’t trying” strategy/spin. There is visible disdain in her voice and face in this report. Sanders is soon gonna be fresh outta friends.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Miss Bianca: That’s my guess. They may not call them that, but some set of people who can veto whatever monstrosity bubbles up from the fever swamps. Of course, the fever swamps may not react well to this…

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    redshirt says:

    Maybe Sanders and Trump go 3rd and 4th parties. Wonder how that would split the vote.

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    benw says:

    @redshirt:

    Maybe Sanders and Trump go 3rd and 4th parties.

    That is a brilliant idea. I call dibs on Bull-Moose Party for Bernie!

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    magurakurin says:

    @redshirt: If Sanders goes third party, damn. Then he really is an asshole of epic proportions. I pray to every god holy and unholy he doesn’t go down that path.

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    jl says:

    Real danger is that a critical number of people who didn’t support the winner of the Democratic primary, and who definitely do not want a GOP president or Senate will stay home out some BS lack of excitement or because of their very precious and special disappointment, or lack of magic pony tingles running up their leg. And that would be disastrous if they tipped the balance and a GOPer, Trump, won.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @redshirt: I have more faith in Sanders’s interest in a better world than to think that he would run as an indpendent.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @benw:

    Bull-Sparrow Party. Or…speaking of sparrow-whispering: how about “Snow White Party”?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl: Fun with disaster porn. Woohoo. Quit it.

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    jl says:

    @magurakurin: Sanders has said repeatedly that he will support the Democratic nominee. I guess some commenters just get a kick out of perverse fantasies.

    We should take Sanderrs at his word and expect that he do what he has promised. Actually, we need to insist that he not only support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is, but enthusiastically campaign for Democrats for general election.

    I’ve given money to Sanders. If I don’t find him enthusiastic enough if he loses (he probably will lose) I will write him and tell him I will work to defeat him in his next Senate campaign, and I think I read that he intends to run again, so that should be a real threat.

    I think all the Sanders haters on this site should save it up for the general, and if Sanders does not behave, everyone write his office and tell him to get his ass in gear or money goes to his Democratic opponent next Senate election.

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    Doug! says:

    @sharl:

    I bet you’re a big Lee Marvin fan.

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    AnotherBruce says:

    I’m on board with Susan Sarandon’s you have to destroy a nation to save it. Maybe she can sell that idea to some of the minority groups out there that have no idea how purifying Sarandon’s strategy can be.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @magurakurin:

    He has no real friends – no one will say they like him, because no one does. He’s not a nice person, and he’s his own worst enemy. He can’t build a coalition, so he’s Eugene McCarthy now, but he should know better. Bernie’s committing political malpractice, and now there’s too much money for him to not keep spinning unicorn tales the bros #FeeltheDelusion. This is how you become impure, Bernie. You had to raise dirty money.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @BBA:

    Also, if Hillary is elected, it’ll be because she was running against an obvious lunatic and won the election by default, yadda yadda yadda, therefore the GOP has a mandate to have their agenda passed and why is Hillary being such a shrill obstructionist?

    Bring it. Looking forward to the GOP mansplaining how the first woman president couldn’t possibly have won on merit. Let’s not discourage them from pissing off 54% of the electorate.

    @magurakurin: Case in point.

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    @Gin & Tonic:

    12 states have filing deadlines for independent candidates that fall before the conclusion of the Republican convention, including some large ones like Texas, Illinois, North Carolina, Florida and Michigan.

    Actually, I think that’s perfect for Trump. I fall into the camp that suspects that he doesn’t want to be President, was looking for some yooooooge publicity and was then surprised to find himself viable. Trump loathes losing, so he can’t just drop out, but if the nomination is “stolen” from him, all of the missed filing deadlines would allow him to run as an independent while allowing him to define “winning” as “preventing a Republican victory.” So, he’d be able to claim victory without actually having to be president.

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    jl says:

    @Doug!: Been a shortage of spoof trolls around here recently. What is up with that?

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @jl:

    Honestly, I think the odds of that happening are very low. Actual liberals are going to bite the bullet and vote for Hillary. Paulistas turned Berniebros (yes, I’ve seen such creatures in the wild) are going to vote Trump, assuming they bother to show up.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Miss Bianca: Some interesting posts floating around the internet today pointing out that a bird in the house is actually traditionally considered an omen for impending death…

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @jl:

    AkaDad’s been doing his best, but he mostly has one-liners.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    …but I wonder if the conservative punditocracy can use the Trumpocalypse to prove to the world that they are truly are independent-minded Burekans of no clique or party.

    It is amazing that we live in a time where that sentence could be written, and understood on first reading.

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    Doug! says:

    @jl:

    Good question.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Actual liberals are going to bite the bullet and vote for Hillary.

    Bite the bullet? She is a liberal. She’s not a leftist.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Gin & Tonic: I was trying to find that in my bookmarks… so it’s not Alabama in April, but June 9th in North Carolina.

    You still have to have your people out there gathering signatures at the mall and the grocery, or you won’t have your 107K signatures (89K+ and then 20% over for the the recognizable frauds) to turn in come June.

    If you’re not running on a party platform, it is hugely expensive to get on the ballot in all 50 states.

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    magurakurin says:

    @jl:

    I’ve given money to Sanders. If I don’t find him enthusiastic enough if he loses (he probably will lose) I will write him and tell him I will work to defeat him in his next Senate campaign, and I think I read that he intends to run again, so that should be a real threat.

    This gives me comfort (not snark, true feeling) I don’t actually believe Sanders will run third party, but I tend to see the darkest possible outcome when viewing the future. Character flaw, but useful in some situations such as mountain climbing.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @AnotherBruce:

    Oh, Lord, Susan Sarandon and her ilk…

    My inner Reid Fleming seems to be coming out a LOT these days. To the point where I find myself muttering, at least once a day, “the RIGHT people NEVER get hurt.”

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @magurakurin:

    Careful with that sort of talk, or before you know it you will have started an “OMG WHY DO YOU WANT BERNIE SANDERS DEAD” thread.

    You mark my words…

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    benw says:

    @Miss Bianca: oh man, if Bernie ran as the “Snow White” candidate! The takes would supernova hot! But I think you just like white because you’re secretly a super-intelligent white mouse!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Um, I was told there was going to be an alpaca junk thread?

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    sharl says:

    @Doug!:

    I bet you’re a big Lee Marvin fan.

    ~
    Acting…singing…high-T levels…what’s not to like?

    Shame about that palimony lawsuit though, even if he did come out of it relatively unscathed. A man’s man simply can’t catch a break!

    BTW, I just learned that his persona and memory are major components of Welcome to Night Vale. Yet another reason why I really need to check that out.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’m drawing a distinction within the larger group of Sanders supporters between actual liberals who are maybe a little obnoxious in their enthusiasm but will come around and the fake liberal Paulistas running around making themselves obnoxious.

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    redshirt says:

    @magurakurin: If Trump were to go 3rd party after a stolen Republican convention then it might be in Bernie’s interest to go 4th party if he thinks he could get 25% or so of the vote. Heck in a 4 way race 25.2% of the vote might be enough to win the Presidency. Why not Bernie? He’s not a real Democrat anyway.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @FlyingToaster: I have run for elective office — even a small number of signatures takes time and effort, as do the filing requirements and deadlines. I think running for US Rep is probably the largest effort that can be undertaken without experienced professional help.

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    magurakurin says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne:

    He’s not a nice person, and he’s his own worst enemy.

    with each passing day this seems to be coming more and more apparent. When most of us only really knew Sanders from his 1 or 2 minute quips on the Sunday shows or cable news he seemed like a righteous guy saying things nobody else would say. But now, damn, he really seems like a dick, even if he holds some beliefs in common with me. I find it telling that Al Giordano is so heavily against Sanders. Al worked with Abbie Hoffman until Hoffman’s death and was a pretty serious radical. He has been going hard against the bernbros on twitter and he tweeted the other day something about “I was with Bernie the night he became mayor and helped elect him to Congress, and now you’re gonna tell me about Bernie.” It is interesting when you hear from some of the people who know him well and have worked closely with him. And even more interesting is the way that you hear exactly the opposite stories about Clinton. The people who have worked closely with her have nothing but praise about her kindness and concern for others.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @benw:

    Don’t forget the Hungarian accent, dahlink.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @jl:
    DougJ wrote the best paragraph ever about trolling. Close to perfect. I miss his efforts, or more likely (I hope), haven’t spotted them.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @jl:

    I guess some commenters just get a kick out of perverse fantasies.

    Susan Sarandon is a commentator on this blog?

    ya know, Sanders has the power to stop trafficking in obnoxious surrogates like Cornell West and Susan Sarandan at any time.

    I ‘ve been consistent and I attacked Hillary for using loony surrogates in 2008, like Ferraro and Her Baroness Lady Lynn Forster de Rothschild. But I guess it’s okay if you’re Sanders. IOKIYARS

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    Face says:

    @🌷 Martin: Pissing off 54%? Say what? Math please! Of that 54%, likely half are Republicans. Tribal loyalties trump (heh) all others, so at least 27% (heh) of the population couldnt care less about how sexist they are to HRC. In fact, they’ll likely revel in it.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    She is a liberal. She’s not a leftist.

    this totally cuts through to the core. It actually would be a pretty good bumper sticker, in my opinion.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Tissue Thin Pseudonym:

    OK, that’s a plausible spoiler scenario to me.

    BTW, did you get any readers for your Amazon offer?

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    redshirt says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: lol. I remember the Baroness. Such a persuasive figure!

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @redshirt: He’d have to bolt soon. 14 states have filing deadlines for independents that come before the conclusion of the Dem convention.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @benw:

    CRAP. My commitment to White Power has been exposed in MY VERY NYM. I haz been outed from my mouse cage!

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Nah, man. That’s down the hall. This is arguments.

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    kindness says:

    What Cokie & Steve refuse to realize (or state) is that the problem isn’t Trump. The problem is the party.

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    Doug! says:

    @Bill Arnold:

    Thanks!

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    Marc says:

    Oddly enough, it’s only people who despise Sanders who are talking about him doing an independent run. It’s almost as if it’s complete bullshit.

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    Bill Arnold says:

    @redshirt:

    Heck in a 4 way race 25.2% of the vote might be enough to win the Presidency.

    No; if there is no electoral college majority, it goes to the House, as outlined in the twelfth amendment, each state with one vote, and I don’t know enough about the constitution to say how that works. (Anybody?)

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    marduk says:

    Is there any chance that we could see a post-Both Sides Do It campaign?

    Hahahahaha no. There is nothing that will ever take the Washington press corp’s binky away. What would they write?

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    RaflW says:

    @redshirt: Does Bernie want to be possible fantasy president of a fully ungovernable nation? If he goes 4th party, he will not have any support in Congress for anything on his agenda. Zippo, nada, zilch.

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    redshirt says:

    @Bill Arnold: I feel much better then, as I’m sure the House will come up with a wise and well reasoned choice.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Tom Hayden ‏@TomEHayden

    Susan Sarandon is a great person, actor & progressive, but her cryptic comment on a Trump presidency advancing the revolution are just wrong

    100 retweets 195 likes

    That’s THE Tom Hayden. The guy who led protests at the 1968 convention. One of the Chicago 7. Even he – of all people – is denouncing Sanders’s surrogate fantasy of burning down the village to save it.

    Of course, it’s easy to burn down America – set it ablaze – when you can get on your private jet and flee to your Tuscany villa and your exclusive Paris townhouse. Viva la Revolución, suckers!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Not sure the Paris townhouse is safe, considering that we don’t know yet whether the French Revolution was a success

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Bill Arnold: It works so that Paul Ryan is chosen to be President.

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    sdhays says:

    Up to now, I have completely stayed out of the Bernie vs. Hillary wars because I think both candidates have things to recommend them and think they’re fundamentally both decent people. I think the party needs to get Bernie’s message through its thick skull and it needs to pull out of its neo-liberal crouch, but I think Hillary brings a lot of talents to the job that Bernie doesn’t. Neither is at all perfect. In the end, I voted for Bernie in my state’s primary (for all the good it did), and I have continued to believe that his continued strength actually helps the party, despite the nastiness that has occurred among supporters in recent weeks. Susan Sarandon is now making me question that.

    I find her comments horrendously offensive, particularly the comment about a Trump election “bring[ing] about the revolution immediately”. The revolution she’s talking about is not the revolution Bernie is talking about – at least not the one I’ve heard him talk about. The revolution she’s talking about is people dying in the streets and blood flowing in all of our cities as the people rise up against Trump and our country burns to the ground. Maybe things will be better (for the survivors) after such a revolution, although I wouldn’t want to bet on it. Revolutions rarely turn out the way you hope for, and, just like any war, they leave lots of people dead and maimed in their wake.

    Bernie is calling for regular citizens to rise up and take control of the democratic process away from the powerful elites – a goal that I think most Democrats would embrace. Sarandon, whether she even realizes it or not, is calling for the pain and suffering of lots of other people with a pathetically naive belief that “it will be worth it”.

    Fuck you, Susan. Anyone who could say what you said is not a Bernie supporter, but a nihilist. Go ahead and vote for Trump – he fits you. And congratulations. You’ve made this Bernie voter “ready for Hillary”.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I’m sure she can lease a chalet in Canne for the film festival or perhaps in Milan in time for Fashion Week. Nothing big, of course. Something small and simple, like 12,000 square feet.

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    redshirt says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Susan’s megayacht is 33% solar powered.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Face:

    Pissing off 54%? Say what? Math please! Of that 54%, likely half are Republicans. Tribal loyalties trump (heh) all others, so at least 27% (heh) of the population couldnt care less about how sexist they are to HRC. In fact, they’ll likely revel in it.

    In 2012, 54% of voters were female. Simply put, women are more likely to vote than men.

    Of that 54%, 56% voted for Obama vs 44% for Romney. So, assuming party loyalty among women doesn’t switch away from Clinton to Trump then 30% of the electorate (.54*.56) are already a lock for Clinton. I’d argue that is going to both turn out new voters and party switchers. 30% is already a pretty big advantage for Clinton. Remember, the GOP already needs to pick up demographics that they lost in 2012. They lost women and they lost Latinos both in large enough numbers to re-elect Obama. They need to win both categories back over 2012. I see no possible way they will even match their 2012 numbers with those two groups and there simply aren’t enough white men to get them to 50%.

    This creates huge downticket problems for the GOP. They can’t gerrymander women. If this shifts the women vote even a little bit, the GOP is fucked in all of their races. They won a lot of seats by just a few points – that’s what gerrymandering does – it trades a few landslides for a lot of narrow victories.

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    chopper says:

    @jl:

    this. I expect sanders to be just as magnanimous in defeat and just as supportive of the winner as hilz was in 08 after O clinched it. anything less and I’m writing a big fat check to his democratic opponent in VT.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    Of course, it’s easy to burn down America – set it ablaze – when you can get on your private jet and flee to your Tuscany villa and your exclusive Paris townhouse. Viva la Revolución, suckers!

    Yep. If you want to know why Clinton is winning the minority vote, it’s because they can’t afford to fuck around with this stuff. They are far better off with steady, incremental gains than rolling the dice and losing. They may like Bernie’s ideas, but they need results and they need them now and after 30 years, they trust her.

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    benw says:

    @Mnemosyne: *doffs cap, sweats, stammers*

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    RaflW says:

    FYWP!

    Edit: I’m having a hell of a time posting about this, but:

    Gallup: Barack Obama’s approval rating holding steady a 53%
    George W. Bush’s approval rating at this point in his presidency was 28%

    Looking like more of a stay-the-course election than a change one, at least from some of the core numbers that matter to (past) election handicapping.

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    Psych1 says:

    No mention here – NONE – about Hillary’s foreign policy positions. Iraq, Lybia, and, if Obama didn’t get cold feet, Syria. And, more important, what she likely would do if she had the power. That is a very big part, maybe the main part, of why so many have turned against her. A vote for her is a vote for more war.

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    chopper says:

    @redshirt:

    if trump goes indy, sanders doing same would guarantee that the results to the the house for adjudication guaranteeing a gooper appt to the WH. sanders would go down as naderX1000.

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    The Sheriff Endorses Baud 2016 says:

    @Face: The GOP establishment has been treating Kasich with the ten foot pole even after he became their last best hope to torpedo Il Douche. Our governor tends to go off the reservation and do pragmatic things, like accept the Medicare expansion, and the donor class wants their puppet obedient, dammit.

    If Trump can’t get to 1257, the GOP will get Paul Ryan and like it.

    Of course they won’t. The establishment is so far gone they’re talking to the portrait of JFK now.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @magurakurin:

    Remember the little #FeeltheBern baby, who then died of SIDS? OH NOES

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    redshirt says:

    @chopper: That’s a good villain name:
    Ultimate Nader.

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    benw says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    I haz been outed from my mouse cage!

    We’ve been watching you for awhile. Please move your paws away from the keyboard, immediately.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @sdhays:

    right on!

    @benw:

    eep! or would that be “eek!”?

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @RaflW:

    Looking like more of a stay-the-course election than a change one

    We need someone to keep steady on the wheel. That’s Hillary.

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    magurakurin says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: well, actually that was really sad. for real. I felt pretty bad when I heard that news. Must be very tough to be a parent when that happens.

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    Tripod says:

    @magurakurin:

    I guess most of those clowns weren’t around in 2008? kos will expel stupid motherfuckers who don’t get the message into an interdimensional warp zone on the ass end of the interweb. Good luck preaching the revolution from nobodyvisitsthisshittyblog.com

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    magurakurin says:

    @Tripod:

    nobodyvisitsthisshittyblog.com

    lol

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @Tripod: @magurakurin:

    Seconded on the LOL

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    jonas says:

    Jeebus — first Andrea Mitchell and now Cokie coming out against Trump? Ok, forget the WSJ editorial page and National Review. If these two matriarchs of the MSM are already coming out against Der Drumpf, it’s over. The DC media have always had, regardless of how they vote personally, an eternal chubby for Republicans. The flight suits. The decisiveness. The tire swings. It’s been a helluva ride. I guess it’s over now, though.

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    chopper says:

    @redshirt:

    well, if you rearrange the letters in sanders’ name you get a clue as to the campaign he’ll run: “Been Sir Nader’s”

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    Those are deliberately distorted and out-of-context quotes. Watch the whole video.

    Damn, folks! Please be magnanimous in victory. I get that most people here are Clinton supporters. I get that Clinton is the likely nominee. So stop rubbing it in, already. Threatening people with Trump is more likely to persuade people uncertain about Clinton to stay home than turn them out.

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    benw says:

    @Miss Bianca: either one is cute as a button!

    @chopper: and if you want to know how Bernie would govern if elected, you can make this anagram from his name: Bans reindeers. I… have no idea what to do with this information, actually.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @redshirt: A picture of Susan Sarandon making sacrifices for the revolution with the peasants and the proletariat (photo).

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    mclaren says:

    On the other hand, I’m not so sure about the #NeverTrump people. I originally thought they’d all come around to Trump if he’s the nominee (I don’t think it’s a given he will be) but now I’m not so sure.

    This is where I have to disagree with Cole and the rest of the front-pagers. You folks think that even if the Republican party nominated a reanimated pygmy skink the rank-and-file Republican voter will dutifully pull the lever for that candidate…but, amazingly enough, Republican voters are people, not cartoons. There are limits to what a Republican voter can stomach.

    We saw that in 1912 when the Repubs crushed T.R.’s effort to run for a third term — lots of Republican voters bolted the party and never came back. They formed part of the New Deal coalition 20 years later. In the late 1970s, many Republican voters couldn’t bring themselves to vote for Gerald Ford after he pardoned Nixon. They too left the Republican party for a time.

    We’re seeing the same thing here. Hair Furor is just too much for many Republican voters to stomach. They’re going to either sit this one out or vote for Hillary. Once they switch to voting for a Democrat, many of ’em won’t came back to the Republican party. Because…c’mon, folks! Does the Republican party look like it’s getting more sane to you?

    If the Republican party keeps riding the current crazy train and applauding candidates who say we need to let people who can’t afford health insurance die in the streets, a significant chunk of current Republican voters are lost forever. Third parties don’t often arise in U.S. politics, so those voters will either drop out of the electorate altogether in disgust, or they’ll vote Democratic.

    Either way this has larger implications for the makeup of the senate and House.

    None of the front-pagers seem to have realized this. But you will, once the extent of the Democratic landslide in the 2016 presidential election becomes clear.

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    Nate Dawg says:

    @mclaren: I think everyone is being cautiously optimistic given the inherent difficulties of winning a third term, and the volatility of the GOP race and Clinton’s epic fuck-up in 2008.

    That said, the champagne may be flowing in November when Clinton wins more electoral votes than Reagan did.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @magurakurin:

    Developments on today’s episode of As the DKOS Turns. Kos put OPOL on a time out.

    HAHAHAHA. Good, that dude is fuckin loco.

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    mel says:

    Recently watched documentary footage of Sarandon on location, “helping” Syrian refugees. Funny how she’s Ms. Social Justice when it gets her some good p.r. footage and photo ops, and when she has no real skin in the game, but is wiiling to encourage a path that will ensure pain and lasting hardship for millions of people if her delicate fee-fees get hurt because she doesn’t get her way.

    It’s easy to be petulant and arbitrary with your vote when you’ll never have to worry about the consequences because you are shielded by immense wealth.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @mclaren:

    Hair Furor

    LOL. And I like your post.

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    Vanya says:

    I have friends who are military officers who are died-in-the-wool right-wing Republicans but loathe Trump. I suspect they actually will go vote for a third party if Trump is the nominee. If Trump somehow does win he is going to find the military (and probably the intelligence agencies) difficult to deal with, which maybe is reassuring. Or maybe it means that the military will stage a coup two years into a farcical Trump presidency.

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    Barry says:

    Doug: “…but I wonder if the conservative punditocracy can use the Trumpocalypse to prove to the world that they truly are independent-minded Burekans of no clique or party.”

    As soebody put it, by August, they’ll be stroking their beards in a showy show of deliberate thought and backing Trump – ‘because Hillary is sooooooo bad!’.

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    low-tech cyclist says:

    Show biz celeb says something totally stupid. Film at 11.

    In other news, dog bites man.

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    Uncle Cosmo says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    It works so that Paul Ryan is chosen to be President.

    Not without some decidely extracurricular hijinks.

    FTR here is the relevant text from Amendment XII:

    The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.

    If third-, fourth-, …nth-party candidate managed to win enough EVs to deny either of the two major-party candidates a majority in the Erectoral Collage, then the House would choose between the top 3 in EVs, and no one else. So in order to be (s)elected as President, the ZEGS would need to receive, not just one or 2 EVs for USACEO, but a sufficient number to finish in the top 3.

    I can’t come up with a plausible scenario for that. The closest (in the same sense as Proxima Centauri is the closest star not our sun, i.e., not very fucking close) would be something like–

    Failgunner Ted steals the Thuglican nomination from Drumpf, who runs dritte-Partei & picks off enough EVs to prevent anyone from getting a majority, the GOP hierarchy persuades enough Cruzian electors to vote for Ryan that it vaults him into third place over Hair Furor, & the House chooses.

    Yeah, not bloody likely.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @kindness: They aren’t paid to realize that.

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @mclaren:

    You know, every time you use the term “pygmy skink” it makes me laugh just a little harder…

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