Wow, heroic US Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) trolls the shit outta the Trumpster:
.@RealDonaldTrump knows he’s a loser. His insecurities are on parade: petty bullying, attacks on women, cheap racism, flagrant narcissism.
— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) March 21, 2016
She was just getting warmed up. I won’t embed all the tweets because that makes the blog go wonky, but she also said the following:
Let’s be honest – @realDonaldTrump is a loser. Count all his failed businesses. See how he cheated people w/ scams like Trump U.
See how @realDonaldTrump kept his father’s empire afloat using strategic corporate bankruptcies to skip out on debt.
Listen to experts who say @realDonaldTrump might have more money today if he’d put his inheritance in an index fund & left it alone.
But just because @realDonaldTrump is a loser everywhere else doesn’t mean he’ll lose this election.
Many of history’s worst authoritarians started out as losers – and @realDonaldTrump is a serious threat.
The way I see it, it’s our job to make sure @realDonaldTrump ends this campaign every bit the loser that he started it.
I’d say “that’s gonna leave a mark,” but dough-like globs such as Trump don’t always show evidence of the cudgel’s work. Responding to a reporter’s question about Warren’s beat-down, Trump said, “You mean the Indian?” I’m sure he’ll have more to say later after he picks his teeth up off the mat.
Roger Moore
Trump is way too easy to troll.
different-church-lady
Sadly he still has his billions to comfort him.
There’s a saying that ends with “…and the pig enjoys it.”
Cermet
What, tRump actually had a retort that 1) isn’t foul/vulgar? 2) Has a hint of thinking behind it. Amazing – was it really tRump?
Major Major Major Major
They’re going to still be talking about the Indian thing when its President Warren, aren’t they?
maryQ
Damn, you can tell she’s an academic. Says me, an academic.
? Martin
See, both sides do it.
Betty Cracker
@Cermet: My guess is he didn’t know about the tweets and was caught flat-footed, so he regurgitated a Scott Brown talking point. Once he takes it all in, he’ll be tweeting as fast as his short, vulgarian thumbs can tweet and will display all the expected vulgarity and stupidity.
Face
I dont get this. Honestly, no clue. If he’s trying to go funny, shouldn’t he have said “A bunch of rabbits said what?”. Or “Warren said that? What did Peace say?”
And did he mean curry or wigwam?
Betty Cracker
@different-church-lady: So nobody should call him out?
Trollhattan
Loving the senior senator from Massachusetts. What’s Scotty Hotpants up to these days?
Linda Featheringill
Warren rocks! [or whatever the current phrase of praise is]
JPL
John needs to have a person who is trained in mental health, interpret what the Drumpf means. Trump said that she’s an indian that can’t unite the country. At least he didn’t say send out the military and burn down her home. We’ve made progress over the years.
Gravenstone
@Major Major Major Major: Saw a couple of days ago where Trump was attacking Warren and her heritage. So yeah, no surprise that’s his go to retort of the moment. His attentions might also be why she unleashed a Trumanesque dose of “Hell” on his thin skin.
schrodinger's cat
I was looking at the raw numbers for Trump because percentages without raw numbers can be misleading. Can you guess the only state where Trump won more than million votes?
Trollhattan
Also, too, he would never take the bait, would he?
NotMax
Truth ain’t trolling.
Meanwhile, in a happy place because discovered Netflix offers a favorite Fritz Lang film, Man Hunt. Very crisp print, too.
Goes away April 1 so if might be curious, not a lot of time left.
Trollhattan
@schrodinger’s cat:
Has to be Florida, I’d guess.
Hal
Oh really, Professor Warren? Did you learn all about business at Harvard?! I wonder how long before Trump joins up with Scott Brown, and does an Elizabeth Warren is a fat pig tour through Massachusetts.
I actually think Warren’s points about Trump need to be repeated as much as possible to the people out there who think he is this massively successful business mastermind who’s going to make America yuuge! Break it down in easy to understand points and keep pressing until election day. Trump’s real vulnerability is in convincing people he isn’t anywhere near the success they think he is and that his business acumen is in a niche that doesn’t really make the Presidency a good fit. I would say his temperament and overall nasty personality do that all by itself, but Trump supporters don’t care at all that he is a terrible human being.
Betty Cracker
@schrodinger’s cat: Florida!
schrodinger's cat
@Trollhattan: @Betty Cracker: You are right, of course. How did you guess?
NotMax
@schrodinger’s cat
No need for guessing, that would be Florida. Although he came close to a mil in Ohio.
Germy
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/donald-trump-swings-in-all-directions-as-he-tries-to-fight-back-against-elizabeth-warren/
kindness
I’m not sure Trump even reads. I suspect he has his minions prechew his food just like his data.
Trollhattan
@schrodinger’s cat:
His embrace of all pythons was the turning point, I’d say. Donald was definitely a Slytherin.
NotMax
OT:
Monday, Monday (yawns</em). Needed a pick-me-up to get going.
If this doesn’t set your toes to tapping and get your fluids sprightly circulating, consult a physician. Belay that, consult two physicians.
yellowdog
Scott, and now Trump, claim she used her Native American heritage to get an affirmative action admission to Harvard. Except 1) While she can validly claim and has proudly acknowledged the heritage she has never used it for an advantage, and 2) she never went to Harvard; she is on the Faculty.
Bobby Thomson
@Major Major Major Major: I’ve never understood the point if the argument. No one seems to dispute that she has some Native American ancestry, which, coming from Oklahoma, isn’t a huge surprise. Is it that she isn’t brown and/or doesn’t fit racist stereotypes? And if so, who cares other than racists?
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Germy:
Of course Trump would say something this stupid. As I understand it Sen. Warren has the same genomic percentage of ancestry (1/32) as Cherokee Nation Principal Chief Bill John Baker. And I recall that at one time, that was the fraction of heritage required to be demonstrable for tribal enrollment – clearly it was when Bill John Baker was enrolled. What the current requirement is, I don’t know.
@yellowdog: But why let actual facts get in the way of a narrative? We know trump certainly doesn’t. If only we had a functional media system that would note such a phenomenon.
NotMax
@NotMax
Total fail. Not only screwed up italics, but linked to the wrong video. :(
This is the one intended as energetic.
Jeeves, more coffee, stat!
Germy
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I made the mistake of looking at the reader comments on the nymag article about Warren and Trump. There’s a RW asshole repeating the lie.
I’ve also seen the lie repeated by RWNJs in other comments sections (of online newspapers and blogs). They believe Warren lied about her ancestry, and they will continue repeating that slur on her.
Ruckus
@yellowdog:
2) she never went to Harvard; she is on the Faculty.
You didn’t expect either of these assholes to be accurate about anything did you?
JPL
Obama and Castro’s press conference was yuuuge. The reporters kept asking questions about human rights to Castro. They missed an opportunity to break it down, to right to assemble and freedom of the press. Authoritarian figures don’t believe in that concept.
Trump falls into that category by his words and actions.
Roger Moore
@Bobby Thomson:
Why are you so quick to discount the racists? They vote, as a look at GOP politics can assure you.
Matt McIrvin
@Cermet: It actually was pretty foul. When Scott Brown was banging on this there was a lot of good discussion around the blogosphere of the unwisdom of white people claiming Cherokee heritage (even though, in Warren’s case, it seems to have been true), but Brown and his war-whooping fans weren’t making any kind of subtle point about that; it was just a racist attack with a side of “affirmative action cheats are stealing your cookies”. And Trump is just doing it again.
Not only that, he’s giving her a slow straight pitch right over the plate.
Brachiator
This is a start, but is kinda weak.
Trump thrives on this stuff and will fight back. I can see the tasteless insult to Warren’s looks or other trivial BS coming.
His vulnerability is his ego and his pride in his past accomplishments and business dealings.
Where you can really get to Trump is to distract him by a detailed assault on his businesses practices. Accuse him of not showing his tax returns because he is lying about his wealth. Hit him again on his steaks or Trump magazine. And it’s OK to lie or to exaggerate here. His steaks were crap quality, were recalled by the USDA because they were maggot infested. His properties have crappy fixtures. His fingers are really, really small, and don’t work (wink wink nod nod). He paid somebody to write his papers and take tests for him at Wharton.
Germy
@Trollhattan: He’s endorsed Trump.
(Scott Brown)
The Gray Adder
@different-church-lady: I imagine him more like Majin Boo. You can beat the living crap out of him, you can blast him to molecules like Piccolo and Gohan did, but he just comes right back for more, and more pissed off than before.
MazeDancer
One shudders to imagine what Trump will sling at Hillary in the general. Thinking some points about Bill using the other meaning of the common initials of this blog will be included.
It often feels like part of the “untrustworthy” slur against Hillary actually is part of Bill’s lies. How he did untrustworthy things and she seemed to go along with them. Because she didn’t leave him for his sins, she, too, supported retaining power over telling the truth. And not caring about Bill’s skirt chasing makes her untrustworthy.
If he keeps up his Twitter scumming at this level he threw at Senator Warren, every time Trump slings some repulsive slime, it’s going to harden the resolve of Dems to vote. If he gets routinely misogynist and racist, and his supporters keep up the violence, it’s going to bring Republican women – and men with morality – to the polls against him.
Trump can’t win on the votes of white male misogynists, alone.
Ben Cisco
♫ Soy un perdedor…♫
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
I think a good part of why the donald is running is to finally prove to the world that he isn’t a loser. Of course sane people can see that he is a loser even better now that he’s placed himself front and
centerfar right.JPL
@MazeDancer: Hillary is a women abuser for staying with Bill. I assume she’ll use Hillary’s attack on Monica Lewinski as proof.
gratuitous
I sampled the comments to this story at MSN (pro tip: Never read the comments). From what I can tell from the spluttering ragegasms bashed out by the Trump supporters, they really don’t like it when people call Trump names. As long as they’re safely penned up behind the computer screen, they’re sort of amusing. Wouldn’t want to meet one in real life, though. These people are kooks.
Betty Cracker
@Brachiator:
I think Warren knows exactly what she’s doing.
Trentrunner
@Brachiator: Did you see Warren’s other tweets? She went right after his supposed business acumen.
Ten Bears
I have a high degree of confidence the First Americans population will vote democrat. What a great GOTV clip.
Uhmmm, Donald… that little dark skinned gal you were oggling the other night in Carolina? Nikki Haley. Indian. And your boy Bobby Jindal. EYup, Indian. Not Native, not First, American.
NotMax
@Maze Dancer
Or he can tap Monica for v.p.
;)
Brachiator
@Bobby Thomson:
Reality and facts don’t matter. This crap is just a convenient excuse from which to launch an attack on Warren. It’s like the Obama birther BS. The stupid lie sticks because it is easy to fling and easily sticks, for those who are predisposed toward hatred and stupidity.
BillinGlendaleCA
@NotMax:
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Germy: I made the mistake of looking at the reader comments on the nymag article about Warren and Trump. Did you get a booster shot first I hope?
Of course the RWNJs repeat the lie; they are too ignorant to know that probably 25-45% of families who lived in OK for a couple of generations or more will have some native ancestry.
Technocrat
This is what needs to happen in the fall. But not just Warren, or Clinton, or Sanders. All of our Dems need to be on the road, mocking him. No one cares that he lies, or has the policy platform of a 13-year old. His appeal is completely persona-based. Our job is to expose that persona as a punchline, a buffoon.
He needs to be ridiculed the way Tina Fey exposed Palin.
Bob In Portland
And the sad part is that Clinton is the weaker candidate in the general against Republicans as not only the likeability polls show, but in head to head polls against individual Republican candidates. And yet Clintonistas will blame the people who say they don’t like and won’t vote for Hillary today when they don’t vote for her in November.
That way the Clintonistas can be smug, saying that it’s the fault of the people who didn’t vote for her that the Democratic Party continues its slow slide into a permanent minority party with Schultz at the wheel. And, as Thomas Frank says, it the 10%, those economically aligned with the 1%, who are Clinton voters.
It’s comfortable to be inside a bubble presuming that the American public is happy with the status quo and that there’ll be a kumbayah moment for Hillary, but a lot of today’s independents left the Democratic Party because of the status quo.
It’s a dangerous bet that the second-least popular politician will defeat the least popular politician.
Iowa Old Lady
@Brachiator: And the stupid Obama should release his grades because he’s obviously an affirmative action admission BS.
patrick II
Senator Warren:
Ouch.
JMG
The Trump campaign is a valuable research tool. For the first time we will be able to count right down to three places past the decimal what percentage of the citizenry are not just assholes, but proud of it. My guess is damn close to 50. If I were some small country, any small country, I’d have been looking into acquiring nuclear weapons since the New Hampshire primary.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): @Germy:
.
Did you get a booster shot first I hope?
FYWP. I couldn’t edit to fix my quote tag mistake.
Prescott Cactus
@Major Major Major Major: How does 4 years of Clinton / Biden, followed by 4 years of Clinton / Warren.
If Warren likes the neighborhood maybe she’ll stay another 8 years.
kdaug
Hard to pick up teeth with broken, stubby fingers…
Chyron HR
@Bob In Portland:
Whereas you know it’s actually the work of Ukrainian fascists.
NotMax
@Bobby Thomson
Kill the messenger is Trump’s modus operandi. It’s a two-fer bigot
dog whistleklaxon.Either she’s a fraud because she’s “passing for white” (the ancient ‘one drop’ canard) or she’s a fraud who is lying about her ancestry.
Doubtless some of the Trumpbots will simultaneously believe both.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
My guess is by the time the Dem’s oppo research team is done going to work on The Donald his “brand” is going to be so worthless he’ll wish he’d never run for President.
Peale
@Bobby Thomson: Its that she used Affirmative Action to get ahead when she weren’t no real honest to goodness indian. She is inferior to other Whites and wouldn’t get anywhere in life if liberals wouldn’t have felt sorry for Indians. But she shouldn’t be anything because she was only merely regular poor, and not reservation poor.
Iowa Old Lady
@What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: Geez, I hope so.
Mnemosyne
@Bob In Portland:
Wevs, Bob. Go back to cowering under your bed while the rest of is do the actual work of stopping the Republicans. We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out.
Technocrat
@Bob In Portland:
And yet more people have voted for these “least-liked” politicians than the other, presumably insanely likable candidates?. I just don’t see how that narrative works. Shouldn’t at least one “likeable” politician be winning?
NotMax
Notice too that Trump questioned whether Romney is “really a Mormon.” Equal opportunity character assassination.
The man is animated excrement.
Peale
@Technocrat: We hate you so much that we’re going to purposefully elect the person we hate the most just to punish you. Sure, we hate him, too. But we think you’ll eventually come to hate him as much as we do.
Monala
@Ruckus: And IIRC, Harvard knew nothing about her ethnicity (other than perhaps white, based on her appearance) when she was hired. She checked a box for Native American on some survey they were doing after she was already on faculty. I’m guessing it was one of the EEOC surveys I have occasionally had to fill out at work, which asks each staff person to check boxes for ethnicity, disability, veteran status, etc.
Technocrat
@Peale:
We must go deeper. Hateception!
Mnemosyne
@Technocrat:
Shhh! You’ll only confuse him by bringing in facts and statistics to counter things he “knows.”
different-church-lady
@Betty Cracker:
No, they absolutely should. But doing it on his level ain’t gonna accomplish much. Might make us feel good, but when it comes to flinging mud, Trump’s like the Michael Jordan of that sport.
My view is let the surrogates get down in the dirt, while Hillary (or Sanders, on the long-shot) takes the high road. Not exactly profound, as that’s been the basic template for what, a couple of hundred years now? Warren’s blows will just bounce off, but she could force him into errors that give Clinton opportunities to look more presidential.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Technocrat:
Don’t ya know, the fix in in? That’s why.
Peale
@different-church-lady: and that’s what Warren is doing.
Trentrunner
Here’s Warren’s entire Facebook post about Trump, from earlier today:
Mike in NC
Just got around to watching the latest “Last Week Tonight” with John Oliver, where he spent a considerable amount of time ridiculing Drumpf and the ridiculous wall, to include an interview with former Mexican president Vicente Fox who said in English, “I’m not paying for that fucking wall”, and Drumpf naturally demanded an apology.
Brachiator
@Trentrunner:
Just had a chance to look at more of them
@Betty Cracker:
This is a good start. And it seems that he has foolishly taken the bait in his childish response to Warren. But Trump does not like to look ridiculous (or to have obvious ridiculousness remarked on). You hit him here and he may self-destruct.
You need more outright mockery.
Gin & Tonic
@Mnemosyne: Hope things went well today.
different-church-lady
@Mnemosyne:
Do we have to?
BillinGlendaleCA
@different-church-lady: No, SATSQ.
Mnemosyne
@Gin & Tonic:
Not as well as we hoped, but more info later.
Luthe
It’s nice to know Bob in Portland has such strong feelings about pie.
the Conster, la Citoyenne
@Bob In Portland:
Concern troll is concerned. News at 11.
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: She checked a box on a form related to her Harvard position years ago, based on a distant relative in her past. The Brown campaign tried to turn it into “She’s faking being a minority!”
Warren is now a US Senator. Brown is not. Best of luck to you, Mr. Trump.
different-church-lady
@Luthe: In short, he’s afraid the pie isn’t going well.
jl
The communist Bernie Sanders… no.. the criminal Hillary Clintion.;… er… the floozy Elizabeth Warren must stop sending vicious liberal thugs to disrupt Drumpf rallies.
Chris T.
This may have been said before… “The GOP is the party of personal responsibility. Yes, that’s right! Barack Obama is personally responsible for everything bad!”
the Conster, la Citoyenne
She should tweet out pictures of his tiny little hands every day, with just the caption “LOL”. He’s about ready for a stroke any day now, anyway.
Calouste
Warren should do better than repeat easily disproven myths. Fred Trump (Donald’s dad) died in 1999, leaving $250-300 million to his 4 surviving children and his wife (who died a year later). It was at best a trust fund, not an inheritance. And none of Donald’s three siblings have ever been reported to be worth billions, despite having the same trust fund or inheritance.
different-church-lady
@MazeDancer: Even money says eventually he or one of the surrogates comes right out with the C-word.
berliner2
@Face: She self-identified as part-Cherokee on a census form once. Scotty tried to turn this into a line of attack during her campaign for Senate, and failed.
different-church-lady
@NotMax:
Phrasing!
Mnemosyne
@Calouste:
Have Trump’s “billions” ever been independently verified? AFAIK, Forbes just calls you up and says, “Hey, are you a billionaire?” without further checking.
Technocrat
@Trentrunner:
Wow. Yeah c’mon, this is purposeful baiting.
And you know what? I think it may be intended to start mobilizing the leftier part of the party. Going after Warren will piss off liberals who may otherwise not be terribly motivated to vote. Hate votes count as well as any other.
@Mnemosyne:
These 8.6 million people are not the droids you’re looking for…
WarMunchkin
@a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):
This is a solid fun fact, but their argument is about revanche, not about trustworthiness. It’s not about Warren lying about being Cherokee. It’s about “them” using affirmative action to take “your” stuff. She’s 1/32 Cherokee and used that to get ahead? is the criticism. And it ties neatly back into the whole young bucks buying T-bone steaks, welfare queens, illegal immigrants taking your jobs etc etc creation myths of the right.
Gin & Tonic
@Calouste: Well, it’s also more complex than you are presenting it. Back in the 1970’s Fred loaned Donald a substantial sum to start him up in real estate, as Donald was interested in Manhattan and Fred wasn’t. So it wasn’t just the 1999 estate share, there was substantial help much earlier.
Gin & Tonic
@different-church-lady: Lewandowski reportedly already has.
different-church-lady
@Brachiator: *ZOT!* I should have realized this a lot sooner, but it’s obvious: the modern GOP base enjoys trash talk far more than they enjoy winning elections. That’s why there’s such a huge disconnect between the party establishment and the way the primaries are going. Trump is giving them what they want, and what they want is trash talk. They don’t care if the trash talk loses the election, and it’s scaring the crap out of the actual politicians on that side.
currants
@Betty Cracker: I’m slow to the game, but the first thing I wondered was whether she’s being a lightning rod–deliberately attracting his attacks for Hillary’s sake? Or is it more chess, aimed at outing Republicans by making them take a stand for him?
hueyplong
If there is one thing certain to resonate with the general public, it’s insisting that Trump got a trust fund instead of an inheritance.
superpredators4hillary
Stoop for Poop! Yay!
Ignoring the existence of Sanders was already loads aplenty. Someone give her a handi wipe.
Bob In Portland
@Chyron HR: I look forward when you stop taking phrases out of context and just use words.
BillinGlendaleCA
@efgoldman: I’m guessing that your daughter’s cat is not 35 years old; so Trump, though probably not the opossum on his head, probably meets the Constitutional requirements more than your daughter’s cat. Other than that, point taken.
different-church-lady
@efgoldman:
But that’s also his appeal. For GOP primary voters, at any rate.
MattF
Warren is doing what the classic ‘surrogate’ does– punching hard and distracting the adversary. I think a few more surrogates out there, shooting at Der Trump, getting some good hits, would be a good thing at this point.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: It’s not safe to come out yet.
Bob In Portland
@Mnemosyne: Yes, let’s stop the Republicans by nominating the second-least popular candidate running.
No, I’ll continue to work for Sanders.
You’ve been warned. The majority of Americans don’t like Clinton. The independents who left the Democratic Party because of the Clintons won’t vote for her. So far I haven’t seen any move from the sclerotic “centrist” Wasserman Schultz group that will pull in young voters.
So keep working to nominate the least-popular Democrat. Flip off the youth and independents. Yeah, that’s a winning strategy.
different-church-lady
@Technocrat:
It’s already there on the surface. All we have to do is highlight it.
different-church-lady
My goodness: we’ve been warned!
VOR
@kindness: Yes, one of the recent articles discussed how every morning Trump gets a stack of newspapers and magazines which are pre-marked with post-its and highlights for any mentions of Trump or the Trump Organization. That type of media pre-screening makes perfect sense for a busy executive, in my book.
Brachiator
@Mnemosyne:
Trump lies. From a 2015 Forbes story:
Bob In Portland
@different-church-lady: In Iraq it’s never safe to go out. In Libya it’s never safe to come out.
But Honduras is so safe that unaccompanied children are fleeing it in the hope of making it to the US.
Look, I don’t know what kind of church you go to, but I’m guessing the general tenets are against killing people.
gwangung
@Bob In Portland:
Snicker. Unintended contradiction.
different-church-lady
@Brachiator:
You wouldn’t know that from his behavior.
Bob In Portland
@Technocrat: It’s an interesting dynamic. But if Clinton wins the primaries where Democratic voting is down and loses where it is up, that’s not a good sign. So that’s your bet. More people will hate Trump than Clinton. But how many people will stay home? How many independents who left the Democratic Party over the last 25 years are going to come back to Hillary?
There will be so much thrown, and there’s plenty to throw at Clinton.
NonyNony
First of all its not easily disproven at all. Trump’s daddy gave him a whole lot of sweet cash in addition to his inheritance, Estimates of how much Trump is worth today suggest he would have done better putting his money in an index fund. Trump disputes that but won’t release any verifiable documents to show what he’s worth. So it’s a he said she said where Trump could win the argument by releasing his tax info but won’t. Makes it look like he’s afraid to let people know what he’s worth, doesn’t it?
Second of all I, as a liberal, would be angry and afraid if Trump wasted a whole bunch of time in a pissing match with Warren instead of paying attention to his actual opponents. Just so angry and afraid…
hueyplong
If Bob’s intent were merely to irritate, how would his posts be different from these presumed attempts to persuade?
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: I don’t go to church anymore, but back when I did, lying was frowned upon as well.
Don’t recall any commandments about being a general shithead, so you’re probably safe on that one.
Bob In Portland
@the Conster, la Citoyenne: It’s on you, buddy. You’re not concerned. Great. Enjoy the results.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland:
Well, get to it then! You’re just wasting valuable time here.
Bob In Portland
@different-church-lady: You know, when you devolve to namecalling it doesn’t make anyone like Hillary.
Betty Cracker
@hueyplong: Maybe he’s a secret Hillary double-agent!
Technocrat
@Bob In Portland:
It’s not my bet, Bob. I haven’t even voted yet. I’m just watching millions of people express their preferences and saying: likeability is bullshit.
Serious question: How would you propose we choose a nominee, since voting isn’t doing it for you?
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: Wow, she’s probably lost like, six votes here alone!
different-church-lady
@hueyplong: He’s not exactly here for the hunting.
Brachiator
@different-church-lady:
You know, Trump has never lost an election, I don’t think.
Trump’s supporters love a fighter who they think will fight for them. And I think that Trump has a chance to actually win the election.
His supporters support him more vigorously when he is attacked because they enjoy seeing him fight back. And they don’t mind it when he attacks the GOP mainstream, which hasn’t done squat for them anyway.
The whitebread attacks by Mitt Romney and the SuperPac Florida attack ads were ultimately pretty feeble. The one Romney hit was interesting. The sight of Trump holding up one of his steaks and defending his “failed” magazine was a WTF moment because Trump wasted time defending trivial shit, just for the sake of his ego. The right poke and he might go over the rails.
What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?
@gwangung: If she’s so unpopular, why has she attracted 2.5 million more primary voters than Bernie Sanders? Seriously, more people have voted for Clinton in this POTUS primary season than have voted for Bernie or Trump (1.1 million more people have voted for her than Trump). Yet everyone says she’s unpopular. Me, I think attracting voters means you’re popular, and she’s attracted the most.
Bob In Portland
@hueyplong: I guess I would say something about sucking Bill Clinton’s dick when I’m told to go suck Putin’s dick. Or I would call different-church-lady a shithead, like she just called me.
A couple of facts: The majority of Americans don’t like Clinton. The people here don’t seem to recognize that. A majority of Americans like Sanders. If the BJers are happy to go into the November elections with someone who is disliked by over half the country, who loses to the Republican candidates, who may be indicted by FBI Director Comey’s handiwork, and who wins primaries where Democratic voter turnout is depressed and loses when new voters show up, then they should be proud. Clinton is the perfect DWS candidate, and I’m sure she’ll do as well as DWS’s congressional candidates have done over the last few election cycles.
What I haven’t heard from anyone here at BJ is why the young people or the independents should vote for Hillary. Because Trump is scary?
Like I say, you’ve been warned.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: COME AT ME, BRO!!!
Then why the fuck won’t they vote for him?
Brachiator
@Bob In Portland:
A worthy cause. Good luck.
Strange. They keep voting for her. Why would that be?
And to be fair, Sanders has done well in some of the recent primaries. But if he cannot break out soon, it won’t much matter. And I can’t see HRC offering him a VP spot.
Technocrat
@different-church-lady:
Votes don’t matter. Just “likes”.
#facebookisdemocracy
Bob In Portland
@gwangung: Heh heh heh. You’ve been warned.
A Ghost To Most
@Bob In Portland:
Are we on double secret probation now?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Bob In Portland:
And that’s locked in amber? No they’re not. When HRC was Sec. of State her favorables were 66% in May of 2012. They can go up and they can go down.
chopper
@Bob In Portland:
and here’s bob, with his daily reminder of how much he hates hillary.
you’ve been using that word a lot recently. i’m starting to think it’s projection.
Mnemosyne
@Bob In Portland:
Still waiting for you to explain why more people have voted for the “unpopular” Hillary than have voted for Trump and Sanders combined.
It’s very weird to keep arguing that the top vote-getter is “less popular” than the people who got fewer votes than she did. IDK, maybe “popularity” is not actually what people are voting for?
Technocrat
@BillinGlendaleCA:
The “unlikeable” meme is particularly baffling, given:
Clinton Most Admired Woman for Record 20th Time
kc
@Betty Cracker:
I expect him to call her ugly, if he hasn’t already done that.
chopper
@different-church-lady:
hey. what part of ‘you’ve been warned’ are you having trouble with?
different-church-lady
@chopper: The cracking up in hysterics bit.
Bob In Portland
@Brachiator: Half of the Democrats in Mississippi who voted in 2008 stayed home. I’m guessing that in Ohio the fifty percent drop in Democratic turnout was in part for Kasich. But that’s the trend. In Mississipi, Ohio, Illinois, North Carolina, Florida and Louisiana, where Clinton won, Democratic voter turnout was down. In Sanders’ wins the voter turnout has been up (except for Nebraska).
Democratic candidates lose when Democratic voters stay home, so we have the curious case where Hillary seems to win when Democratic voters stay home. I’m willing to entertain competing theories but Democratic candidates who win by people staying home is an anomaly that no one here at BJ seems to have noticed.
And supporting Sanders is easy to do here in Portland. A local marijuana store is running a fund-raiser, “Burn one for Bernie” which has been a smashing success. The “Bingo For Bernie” wasn’t quite as organized.
different-church-lady
@efgoldman: Fuck chocolate ice cream. Fuck it in its stupid ear.
BillinGlendaleCA
@efgoldman: Maybe that’s who the establishment GOP is looking for(see next thread).
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: Odd… they don’t seem to be turning out for Sanders either.
hueyplong
Well, I guess that’s it. The Democrats need to award the nomination to the first runner up because they’ve been warned by a concerned internet poster. I’m going to tune into Chris Hayes’ show tonight to see if he got the memo or whether he, too, is ignoring the youth at his peril.
Perhaps Baghdad Bob in Portland could turn his mad persuasion skilz on the superdelegates, who might be more easily turned than are the stubborn Hilbots in this shebeen.
Brachiator
@Bob In Portland:
I think that young people and independents should vote for whomever they like. And a lot of them, apparently, like Bernie.
What I haven’t heard from you is why young people and independents should vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination and is the Democratic Party candidate for president.
chopper
@Bob In Portland:
yet you have no problem calling people ‘fucking stupid’ out of nowhere. again, it’s all projection with you.
Elie
While I certainly don’t have any problems with trolling Trump, I think the more damaging stuff will be his business malfeasances, of which I expect there to be more exposed as time goes on. The thing that is good is that women really get under his very thin skin. I think that can be manipulated creatively without just calling him names. I think as much as possible Hillary should have others do the wet work and it should come from a lot of angles. I still have hopes that the Bush crime family may have a contribution or two to make, since they were so good at that sort of thing going back….. I am also counting on Trumps poor physical shape and reported insomnia to help take him over the top at the slightest provocation.
chopper
@different-church-lady:
YOU’VE BEEN WARNED, STUPID CHOCOLATE ICE CREAM
Technocrat
@Bob In Portland:
I think you mean “Hillary seems to win when Bernie supporters stay home”. Hillary got her voters to the polls. The “missing” voters were Bernie supporters.
Why wouldn’t you go with the candidate that can get her voters off their asses and to the polls?
Bob In Portland
@efgoldman: Repeated polls give Sanders favorable ratings. Repeated polls put Clinton as more disliked than liked.
But I’ve already been told by Clintonistas here that turnout in primaries doesn’t matter and that likeability doesn’t matter. And I’ve been assured that there is nothing that Clinton can be indicted for in her emails and that Republican FBI Director Comey, a big Cruz fan, won’t do anything negative towards Clinton by giving the guy who set up her system immunity.
Additionally, Trump is more likely to attack Clinton with arguments that Republicans are generally precluded from using. Forget Benghazi, think the failure that is Libya. Syria? What’s preventing Trump from going after the arms dealing with Qatar? Honduras? He doesn’t have to be specific. He can say that the kids fleeing Honduras are a result of Clinton’s acquiescing to that coup. And he can repeat that about Syria and the huge emigration out of the Middle East into Europe.
Because he’s not a Party Republican Trump can choose from many piles of mud that a true Republican won’t touch.
Brachiator
@Bob In Portland:
If half the Democrats in Mississippi stayed home, it also means that Sanders did not fire them up either. This does not help your case.
And I know that you have been schooled on this before, but I have no idea why you ignore the historical data. From FiveThirtyEight
This does not mean that anyone should be complacent. But the bottom line is that the people who are showing up for the primary are voting for Clinton more than they are voting for Sanders.
And for now, that’s what matters.
RE: Repeated polls give Sanders favorable ratings. Repeated polls put Clinton as more disliked than liked.
This does not necessarily reflect how people will vote. It is interesting, but not determinative. But it is something that HRC does need to address, if she can. OTOH, I like Bernie, but don’t think he would make an effective president. But that’s just me.
Bob In Portland
@Technocrat: Explain why 49% of the Democratic voters in 2008 stayed home in Mississippi this year.
I agree that Sanders’ message wasn’t heard in the Deep South, but I presume it has more to do with people not hearing it than not liking. I presume that southern Democrats would like better schools, college education, a job program to rebuild the infrastructure, a fairer tax structure and less war.
Maybe if we hold another debate at three a.m. on a Sunday morning…
Bob In Portland
@Bob In Portland: Well, we shall see. I’ve got to fly cross-country in a couple hours so I have to pack.
Calouste
@Gin & Tonic: No, it is exactly as I was presenting it. Whatever Trump made his money from, it wasn’t his inheritance. Warren can riff about Trump being better off to invest his loan/gift in a stock index (and so could his dad apparently), but talking about it as Trump’s inheritance is not exactly factual.
Besides of course, the whole thing looks like it’s bullshit. Donald Trump started in the late 1960s, when the Dow Jones was somewhere between 800 and 1000. It is now at 18,000, so it has multiplied roughly 20 times. Trump’s dad was worth $250-300 million in 1999, not in 1969.
chopper
@Bob In Portland:
it isn’t a very contested primary. democratic voters generally like both candidates, which means many don’t feel the need to come out and make their preference known. likewise, many democrats think hillary is going to win it anyways. this has been explained time and again.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland:
And yet more people keep voting for Clinton than Sanders. You can’t explain that.
different-church-lady
@Bob In Portland: If only this incredibly popular guy could somehow get his message out to people…
A Ghost To Most
@Bob In Portland:
Damn, I’m worried sick we aren’t going to get those Mississippi electoral votes.
Putin/Assad 2016, eh BiP?
Ruckus
@chopper:
this has been explained time and again.
Like that has ever been useful with BiP.
PatrickG
@Bob In Portland:
So what you’re saying is that Sanders can’t turn out votes in Ohio and Florida, which is why Sanders should get the nomination. Got it. I think.
J R in WV
@Bob In Portland:
I don’t usually feed trolls, but I can’t resist!
Approval numbers from Gallup for the last Republican president, and Bill Clinton:
Bill Clinton 60.6
George W. Bush 36.5
Enuff said! I’ll take 60% over 36% ANY DAY!
satby
@NotMax: Good, I need something new to watch, thanks.
(Only 1 episode, right? ;)
SiubhanDuinne
@kindness:
Ugh, barf.
SiubhanDuinne
@different-church-lady:
Tide comes in, tide goes out.
Paul in KY
@Hal: Agree that all her comments are great points on Donald’s real lack of business sense.
Paul in KY
@Calouste: She is talking about the $20 million his father gave him, while father still alive. It is in his book ‘The Art of the Deal’.
Paul in KY
@Gin & Tonic: It was a gift.