Trump Clarifies “Islam Hates Us” Statement

NEW YORK CITY, N.Y. – March 10, 2016 – Republican frontrunner Donald Trump issued a clarification on a controversial statement he made during an interview with CNN anchor Anderson Cooper yesterday. When asked by Cooper if he thought Islam was at war with the West, Trump replied, “I think Islam hates us,” which sparked a significant outcry.

Today, Trump clarified that the “Islam” he was referring to was not the religion with more than a billion adherents (including more than three million in the U.S.) but rather singer-songwriter Yusef Islam, formerly known as Cat Stevens. Mr. Stevens had a string of hits in the 1970s, including “Peace Train” and “Moonshadow.”

“C’mon,” Trump exclaimed when confronted with a barrage of media questions. “I didn’t mean the whole religion, obviously! That would be crazy. But that Yusef guy, he has a tremendous hatred for America. He doesn’t even live here.”

Trump’s clarification came too late to save Florida Governor Rick Scott, a prominent Trump supporter, from embarrassment when he was asked to defend Trump’s “Islam hates us” statement on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” program today.

Apparently suffering the same programming glitch as Florida Senator Marco Rubio, Governor Scott awkwardly tried to deflect questions about whether or not Muslims hate America by repeating lines about unrelated events in Florida.

CDC scientists, alarmed by the similarities between the televised Rubio and Scott repetition meltdowns, immediately began research to rule out a connection with the Zika virus. But when a healthcare worker approached Scott to attempt to draw blood, the governor morphed into a reptile-like alien life form and returned to his home planet. It is unclear if he will attend tonight’s GOP debate as previously planned.

ETA: Satire is dead. But please note this post is one of its deceased molecules.






182 replies
  1. 1
    Snarkworth, short-fingered Bulgarian says:

    There’s a GOP debate tonight? Saints preserve us.

  2. 2
    The Golux says:

    So I guess when Drumpf goes down to his inevitable defeat, he’ll start writing for the Onion.

  3. 3
    The Moar You Know says:

    I’d buy that argument if Yusef had been a Muslim while writing those fucking horrible songs of his. But no. Nice try, Stumpy Drumpf.

    Seriously, can’t stand that guy, and if you want some misogyny with misogyny piled on top, read the lyrics to “Wild World”.

  4. 4

    The Cat Stevens stuff is snark, right? It’s so hard to tell with Trump. That QVC channel victory speech already strained my credibility enough for one week.

  5. 5
    Disgruntled former Baud supporter says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: Parody is dead.

  6. 6
    Amir Khalid says:

    Bullshit, Mister Trump. I don’t believe Yusuf Islam hates anybody.

  7. 7
    WereBear says:

    @The Moar You Know: I agree. And seemingly picked his new religion out of a hat; after a near drowning got him all “spiritual” he choose a religion he knew so little about… He didn’t know it forbade instruments and, according to some sources, singing.

  8. 8
    rikyrah says:

    Uh huh

    Uh huh

    But, we’re supposed to trust Hillary on financial domestic policy.

    Ok. …sure……
    ……………………

    U.S. hedge fund managers pour money into 2016 race and Trump is a factor
    By David Morgan

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Major U.S. hedge fund managers are on pace this year to more than double the amount they gave in the 2012 election campaign, with independent fundraising groups backing Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton and Republican rival Ted Cruz receiving the most so far.

    About $47 million has been lavished on presidential candidates and lawmakers and the political action committees that support them by two dozen of the industry’s top managers in the first 13 months of this election season, according to a Reuters review of Federal Election Commission filings.

    Most of the hedge fund support going to Cruz and Clinton has come from a handful of people out of the two dozen managers studied.

  9. 9
    eemom says:

    Don’t think I can take it much longer. The keys that spell “you can’t make this shit up” on my laptop are worn down to tiny nubs.

  10. 10
    NotMax says:

    “Peace Train” just oozes hate.

    And arbeit macht frei.

  11. 11
    jl says:

    I’ve read and seen in interviews, that a lot of Trump supporters don’t particularly care what he means exactly, don’t believe he means or will do what he says. They just like the impression he gives of strength and resolve.

    I remember one person exclaiming, like it was an obvious slam dunk rational argument for Trump: “Look, he has Make America Great Again, printed ON HIS HAT!!”

    So, those are the dumb ones. Then there are the evil authoritarian and racist ones. And then I guess there are the dumb and evil ones.

    Trump knows about his dumb fans, and he plays the game they want to hear. Those poor souls are the next marks in this most recent Trump con. But this con is far more dangerous than the other.

  12. 12
    WaterGirl says:

    @The Moar You Know: Hey, I grew up loving Cat Stevens! And I have no problem with him becoming Muslim, though I have no idea if he actually hates America. But I doubt it.

    Can’t decide whether I am willing to read the lyrics to Wild World. Some illusions just don’t want to be shattered. I can barely stand to watch some of the right-wing actors I used to like.

  13. 13
    Amir Khalid says:

    @WereBear:

    He didn’t know it forbade instruments and, according to some sources, singing.

    Where do you get this nonsense? It doesn’t. There are plenty of Muslim musicians, and many of them even compose and perform religious music.

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    redshirt says:

    Wait, this is real? Not a satire?

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    eemom says:

    Aw c’mon y’all — don’t be dissing on Cat. He wrote some beautiful stuff. And I agree with Amir/Yusuf — he wouldn’t hate a fly.

    ‘Sides, he’s half Greek.

    eta: I don’t think Wild World is misogynistic at all. Somewhat sexist, MAYBE — but even so, those are not the same thing.

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    NotMax says:

    Happen to catch his statement that “The Elvis impersonators love me” the other day?

  17. 17

    @redshirt: That was my question. I’m pretty sure it’s snark, but who knows?

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    Benw says:

    The most outlandish thing in this post is the idea of Trump ‘clarifying’ anything.

  19. 19
    Luthe says:

    @redshirt: If you read all the way down to the bottom, there’s a reference to Rick Scott turning into a lizard person. While I don’t doubt Rick Scott is some form of reptile, I don’t think he’d be caught transforming in public.

    Also, there’s no link to Trump’s “clarification” so…

  20. 20
    WaterGirl says:

    @WereBear: That’s heartbreaking.

    Edit:

    @Amir Khalid: That seemed kind of odd, glad to know it’s not true! Nonsense seems a bit harsh toward WereBear, though I imagine people being constantly wrong abut your religion might make a person touchy.

  21. 21
    Peale says:

    You know you’re requesting a classy data set when the registration options includes “Sir” and “Baroness” and other titles in addition to Mr. Mrs. Ms. and Dr.

  22. 22
    jl says:

    @Benw: Good point. Trump seems to have problems explaining anything more complicated that shrink wrapped steaks, hotel lobby magazines, and huge classy fake gold leaf signs on large buildings.

  23. 23
    LAO says:

    Satire may be dead, but I still laughed.

  24. 24
    eemom says:

    @WaterGirl:

    The song is about a guy whose girlfriend has dumped him, and he says he’s worried that bad things might happen to her out in the “Wild World”. That’s all. Condescending at worst …..but hell, he’s the dump-ee.

  25. 25
    Betty Cracker says:

    Post updated to identify it as satire. Now I desperately require a martini.

  26. 26
    Felonius Monk says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Now I desperately require a martini.

    Shaken, not stirred?

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    eemom says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Where do you get this nonsense? It doesn’t. There are plenty of Muslim musicians, and many of them even compose and perform religious music.

    From assuming that Muslim=ISIS or Taliban, perhaps?

    But no, surely it couldn’t be that. Not right here on this progressive blog.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Luthe:
    I am completely prepared to believe that Rick Scott would not balk at transforming into a reptile in public. If there’s one thing the Republican party’s 2016 presidential campaign has taught us, it’s that the worst you can bring yourself to believe about its politicians is but a pale shadow of the truth.

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    Chyron HR says:

    Cat Stevens is pretty good; I really like Cat’s In The Cradle and the one about the taxi driver.

  30. 30
    WaterGirl says:

    @ Betty Cracker ETA:

    With how crazy things have gotten, how’s a person supposed to apply a standard measure of “that’s too crazy to be true, this must be satire”?

  31. 31
    Mike in NC says:

    We have good friends in Florida and can barely imagine what the klown kar is bringing them 24/7 these days.

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    eemom says:

    @eemom:

    don’t be dissing on Cat. He wrote some beautiful stuff. And I agree with Amir/Yusuf — he wouldn’t hate a fly.

    Sorry Amir! I meant to say I agreed with you that Cat/Yusuf wouldn’t hurt a fly.

    I’ll shut up now.

  33. 33
    WereBear says:

    @Amir Khalid: It was that he picked a small Muslim offshoot.

    Not that all Muslims are under such strictures! Sorry.

    It’s like in Christianity, there’s people who are snake handlers, and then there’s all the other Christians.

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    eemom says:

    @Chyron HR:

    Those are Harry Chapin.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Peale:
    Did you know that Jamie Lee Curtis is a Baroness? Christopher Guest is a real live English Baron, the 13th Baron Hayden-Guest.

  36. 36
    Chyron HR says:

    @eemom:

    The “Fire and Rain” guy? Huh, go figure.

  37. 37
    Benw says:

    @Betty Cracker: lizard-alien Rick Scott didn’t do the trick, huh?

  38. 38
    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Felonius Monk: Ian Fleming notwithstanding, shaking a Martini is an abomination.

  39. 39
    geg6 says:

    After his QVC speech the other night, satire died. How do you satirize this shit? It’s pre-satirized. By the subject of the satire. No, I have no idea how we arrived at this pass. I would totally believe that Rick Scott is a lizard person. He looks like one.

  40. 40
    trollhattan says:

    @Chyron HR:
    You done broke my snark meter needle!

  41. 41
    quakerinabasement says:

    Satire or real? It was up for grabs until I got to the Zika virus.

  42. 42
    A Ghost To Most says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Whenever I see a group of GOoPers on TV now,my mind automatically renders them as characters from Ralph Steadman’s Lizard Lounge.

    Rick Scott requires no translation.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Yes, I remember watching the State Opening of Parliament a few years ago, and there she was, wearing a long dress at 11:00 a.m. and seated with all the other peeresses.

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    eemom says:

    @Chyron HR:

    The “Fire and Rain” guy?

    No, that’s Jim Croce. : )

  45. 45
    WereBear says:

    Since I cannot edit:

    Cat Stevens supposedly converted to a small segment of Islam that forbid the use of musical instruments. But then, maybe he made it up to cover his songwriter’s block.

    He has made many bizarre statements, and I cannot find references now.

    It was never meant as a statement about Islam OR Muslims in general.

    Sorry about that.

  46. 46
    dlm says:

    @Chyron HR: Those were Harry Chapin songs.

  47. 47
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @eemom: pretty sure that was Gordon Lightfoot

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    There are fairly mainstream Christian sects that forbid dancing — Baptists, I’m looking at you. IIRC, Stevens converted to one of the Wahhabist sects, which wouldn’t be my first choice if I were a musician.

    The joke about Baptists is that they’re anti-sex because it might lead to dancing.

  49. 49
    John Revolta says:

    @eemom: Harry Chapin is a Muslim?

    Oh, wait! “Taxi Driver”! Of course! It’s all so obvious……………….

  50. 50
    WaterGirl says:

    @Chyron HR: That was a joke, right? Because that’s James Taylor, but I think you know that!

    You guys are cracking me up.

  51. 51
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I’ve been brushing up in this stuff because of the novel I’m working on and technically I think Curtis may have a courtesy title. Great Britain has kind of a weird system where only the actual title holder is a peer and the rest of the family are legally commoners. Accepting an actual peerage title would mean that Curtis would lose her American citizenship.

    (Guest is Canadian, so he wouldn’t have to worry about such things.)

  52. 52
    scav says:

    @A Ghost To Most: Funny, I’ve seen them as errant contestants on “Let’s Made A Deal!” for nearly 2 decades — the costumes! the inanity! the screaming! The focus on money and nothing but!

  53. 53
    WereBear says:

    @Mnemosyne: That was it! I knew it was a conservative type, and in the article I read, long ago, it was an even stricter subset of that.

    In the article Stevens claimed he “found out later” about the rules it had about music… The whole thing was so strange it stuck in my head.

    Though, apparently, imperfectly.

  54. 54
    Felonius Monk says:

    @Gin & Tonic: That’s been my feeling, too. One must not bruise the gin.

  55. 55
    Brachiator says:

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter:

    Parody is dead.

    I remember the Monty Python Dead Parody skit.

    This guy returns a dead parody to the store where he got it …

  56. 56

    @Amir Khalid: I love Qawwali music, also there are many renowned Muslim practitioners of Hindustani classical music, who regularly sing praises of both Allah and Krishna, some times in the same song!

    Yaar Illahi
    Ustad Rashid Khan singing Albela Saajan

  57. 57

    @Mnemosyne: Isn’t it the other way around, dancing may lead to sex?

  58. 58
    Luthe says:

    @Brachiator: Was it pining for the fjords? I didn’t know Norwegians were so humourous.

  59. 59
    Mnemosyne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Nope, the joke is that they’re so strict about dancing that they forbid anything that might lead to it.

  60. 60
    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    I’m sincerely hoping that we’ll look back on this election as the wacky outlier. I’m desperately worried that we’ll look back on it as the first step to some tragic new normal.

  61. 61
    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    (Guest is Canadian, so he wouldn’t have to worry about such things.)

    Guest was born in New York City to British parents.

    He is the 5th Baron Haden-Guest .

    We should all drink to that, or take the 5th

  62. 62
    MattF says:

    There should be a pair of matched posting categories: THIS IS SATIRE and THIS IS NOT SATIRE. You have to use at least one on every post– but you may use both, if necessary.

  63. 63
    NotMax says:

    @Mnemosyne

    *cough* John Ashcroft *cough*

    Was also going to mention Oral Roberts University, but they now offer a major in Dance Performance,.

  64. 64
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    It seems we both got some details wrong. Christopher Guest is actually the fifth (not the thirteenth) Baron Haden-Guest (not Hayden-Guest). It is indeed a hereditary title; his dad Peter, a Briton, was the fourth Baron. Guest was active in the House of Lords until 1999, when Tony Blair’s parliamentary reforms got him (and most other hereditary lords) kicked out.

  65. 65
    Kathleen says:

    @eemom: I think that’s James Taylor.

  66. 66
    Betty Cracker says:

    @Felonius Monk: Gin? Bah!

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    redshirt says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Palin led to Trump, and thus your hope is already dashed.

  69. 69
    Mnemosyne says:

    @Brachiator:

    Hmm. Well, now we may need to get a constitutional lawyer involved, because I thought American citizens aren’t supposed to accept titles of nobility. Or is that only for elected officials? And isn’t there some weirdness about Americans having dual citizenship with Great Britain?

    ETA: Either way, I’m still right about Curtis — she is not herself a peer, they only call her “Baroness” to be polite. (Actually, they call her “Lady Hayden-Guest,” but anyway …

  70. 70
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Brachiator:
    Per Wikipedia, Christopher Guest’s mother is American.

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    polyorchnid octopunch says:

    @Mnemosyne: Yes he would. Peerage is illegal for Canadian citizens. That’s why Conrad Black is no longer a Canadian citizen; he renounced it to become Lord Black of Crossharbour.

  72. 72
    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @Betty Cracker: Get high on the peace train.

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    SFAW says:

    OK, so now I’m confused with all the taxi drivin’ stuff – were those songs wrote by Travis Bickle? Or Christopher Lloyd? Or Christopher Lloyd-Guest?

    And if they’d stop playing those bloody bouzoukis in the parody shop, Mr. Wensleydale might be able to return the parody wot passed on (not pinin’).

    And I call bullshit on the idea of Rick Scott morphing into a lizard and returning to his home planet — it’s intuitively obvious that he’d stick around, and kill/eat as many hoomans as possible.

  74. 74
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @raven: Justin Green ‏@ JGreenDC 25m25 minutes ago
    “Knock the crap out of them … I will pay for the legal fees” @ realdonaldtrump told his fans earlier this year

    I’m glad somebody with a better memory than me is paying close attention

    TeeVee lawyers would turn this into a million dollar verdict

  75. 75
    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @redshirt:

    Palin led to Trump, and thus your hope is already dashed.

    If you’re saying the former half-term governor accomplished something I’ll have to see a well reasoned argument before I accept that. All I’ve seen her do is grift and mostly stay out of any serious trouble.

  76. 76
    raven says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: In Georgia we have what are called “terroristic threats”. Don’t know about North Carolina but it’s worth looking into.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne: I think that’s the old school Southern Baptists. I grew up as an American(northern) Baptist, we had no problem with dancing(even in the church).

  78. 78
    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @redshirt: This isn’t satire, this is arguments. Satire is down the hall.

  79. 79
    SFAW says:

    @raven:

    Holy fuck.

  80. 80
    redshirt says:

    @SFAW: Yeah but this thread goes to 11.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Betty Cracker: Well, excuuuuse me.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    The joke about Baptists is that they’re anti-sex because it might lead to dancing.

    The (very slightly) racier version I learned is:
    Q. Why don’t Baptists make love standing up?
    A. People might see them and think they were dancing.

  83. 83
    SFAW says:

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    This isn’t satire, this is arguments. Satire is down the hall.

    No it isn’t.

  84. 84
    MattF says:

    @Bill E Pilgrim: No it’s not.

    ETA: SFAW beat me to it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @polyorchnid octopunch:

    That may be another weird area, though — legally, is inheriting a title different than being granted a brand-new title?

    I’m assuming Guest had to become a British citizen in order to accept the title, assuming he didn’t already have dual citizenship.

    Oh, and because their two kids are adopted, they don’t get to inherit — it goes to Guest’s younger brother instead.

  86. 86
    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @SFAW: That’s not an argument.

    You call this a court?

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    SFAW says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I grew up as an American(northern) Baptist,

    As Emo would say: “Die, Heretic!”

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    redshirt says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Her candidacy as potential VP legitimized Trump’s candidacy for Prez, eventually allowing all reality TV stars to run. I’d vote for Jeff Probst. Not the Jersey Shore people though.

    Maybe Reagan started it all though now that I think it through. But he seemed like an aberration until Palin.

  89. 89
    Mnemosyne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I dunno, I was raised Catholic, so I don’t know what you crazy Protestants get up to. We can do whatever we want as long as we tell a priest all the juicy details afterwards.
    ;-)

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    SFAW says:

    @Bill E Pilgrim:

    Right! Well, I’m moving to Australia. Cat o’ nine tails etc.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Mnemosyne:
    It’s no weirder than an American having dual citizenship in, say, Canada.

  92. 92
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Hilarious post, Ms. Cracker. SNL needs your writing skills.
    P.S. It’s a shame when a prominent Governor cannot say that Trump was wrong to demonize all Muslims. Skeletor should be ashamed of himself.

  93. 93
    debbie says:

    @WaterGirl:

    though I have no idea if he actually hates America

    He said some pretty hateful things back when he converted in the 1970s, but in a Fresh Air interview from a couple years ago, he seemed pretty regretful of his words. I guess not everyone in their 20s can be as disciplined as his critics.

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    raven says:

    @SFAW: My exes dad was an American Baptist minister. Really great guy.

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    Cermet says:

    @raven: That creep is beyond scary, twisted and sick -a complete stupid racist ass wipe through and through. After reading that I know far too many amerikans are truly despicable, ignorant low life’s that shame all this country should hold as moral.

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    SFAW says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    We can do whatever we want as long as we tell a priest all the juicy details afterwards.

    “It’s dark in here.”
    “Don’t start that shit again!”

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    John Revolta says:

    @SFAW: They have to go back every seven years to mate, I think.

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    eemom says:

    @WaterGirl:

    I can barely stand to watch some of the right-wing actors I used to like.

    btw, Jon Voigt endorsed Trump. He’s long been off the batshit end, though, so no surprise.

    I watched Midnight Cowboy again recently. WTF happened to him??

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @redshirt:
    You may be right but I’m still telling myself this election is the wacky outlier and not the first toe on the greased slide leading to President Camacho.

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    SFAW says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    It’s no weirder than an American having dual citizenship in, say, Canada.

    “Bienvenido en Canada”?

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    Benw says:

    @Mnemosyne: jeez, this hereditary inheritance stuff is confusing. I’m glad my ancestors watered the Statue of Liberty with the blood of their sweat and tears so that we have freedom here in America! No copulation without representation!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Ha! G had a friend who was desperately maintaining her British citizenship even though she’d lived here since she was a child, and there was some requirement that she own property in Great Britain. It counted that her mother still owned property there, but apparently there was some kind of scramble after her mother died to keep that property in the friend’s name so she wouldn’t lose that citizenship. This is all by memory, so I’m sure there’s some detail wrong in there somewhere.

  103. 103
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    The Daily Show did a segment about Trump’s post election “Press Conference”, refuting his claims about the steaks(haven’t been sold since 2008), wine(the website says Trump has no ownership interest), magazine(it’s a sales magazine), and water(just a label slapped on a bottle regular old water).

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    I put this in the thread below, but maybe you didn’t see it — interview with LMM and Questlove in Vanity Fair.

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    Bill E Pilgrim says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    And isn’t there some weirdness about Americans having dual citizenship with Great Britain?

    Nope. I’ve got dual, not with UK but nearby, and the US.

    When I first got it, on the US side they said well, it’s a “grey area”, just use the appropriate one when you enter each country (EU or US) but that was decades ago, and over the years it changed to officially okey dokey, was some sort of announcement.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @SFAW: Worked for Raphael Edwardo.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Gin? Bah!

    Excuse me, I didn’t realize you were a vodka woman. :-)

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @eemom:
    Midnight Cowboy was, like, nearly fifty years ago. Anno Domini happens to us all, except maybe Mick Jagger

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    debbie says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Even the Secret Service has clarified that they will maintain security, but they will not throw anyone out.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Felonius Monk: Only Trump Vodka, it’s very Classy.

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    WereBear says:

    @Amir Khalid: Also, a person can be very talented in one area, but sadly deficient in others.

    I have a way with words, but cannot add numbers reliably. Something always goes wrong.

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    redshirt says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: You know it’s inevitable. Just enjoy the ride.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @debbie:

    Even the Secret Service has clarified that they will maintain security, but they will not throw anyone out.

    Thanks Obama!

  114. 114
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @redshirt: Could be worse, we could get President Baud.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Cermet:

    I know far too many amerikans are truly despicable, ignorant low life’s that shame all this country should hold as moral.

    One unfortunate fact is that even if Trump goes down in flames, his supporters will still be here. Not a pleasant thought.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @eemom: I think it was TPM today that reported that there was some serious Concern in the Cruz campaign that Chuck Norris was going to endorse someone else. I guess when all those TV pawn shops guys have given their imprimatur, you look to guys who rode Stallone’s action movie coat tails in the eighties.

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    debbie says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    Wow, I had no idea that Lisa Robinson was still alive and kicking.

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    redshirt says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Which makes me wonder, somewhat, who Ted Nugent is supporting. Haven’t heard anything from him this cycle.

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    raven says:

    @Felonius Monk: And they’ve always been there, fuck em.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Trump Vodka? Isn’t that just the rinse water from the potatoes in one of his restaurants? Phony, like everything else about him.

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    bluefoot says:

    @Mnemosyne: This is true. My father gave up his title when he became an American. Later when my brother was approaching his majority, there was some discussion between the relevant authorities here and in the UK about his receiving an honorary title (since my father was the last of the line), but he decided it would be too much hassle.

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    WereBear says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Speaking of RWNJ actors, it gives me a sad. As a connoisseur of bad movies, some of his were treasures.

    And he was convincing in the martial arts part.

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    SFAW says:

    @WereBear:

    but cannot add numbers reliably. Something always goes wrong

    For a second, I thought you were Paul Ryan. But then I realized that he WANTS his numbers to come out as fucked-up as they are.

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    JPL says:

    OT.. CSPAN is airing the important State Dinner. You can stream it here.. link

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    Disgruntled former Baud supporter says:

    @Brachiator: Parody is deceased, passed on, and gone to meet its maker…

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    I think I saw that in LMM’s Twitter feed, but I’ll have to track it down — thanks!

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    SFAW says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Worked for Raphael Edwardo.

    Y su padre, Raphael Bienvenido.

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    John W. says:

    @Gin & Tonic: What, you float icubes in your Martini? That would be abomination.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @bluefoot:

    I wonder if the rules are different if you already have dual citizenship before you inherit. Since there’s always someone who knows something on Balloon-Juice, I’m hoping a lawyer in the relevant area might stop by and enlighten us. Adam found the last survivor of the House of Stuart for me the other night, so I have faith that someone with actual knowledge will show up.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter: no its not. It’s pining for the fee-yords.

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    Aleta says:

    @NotMax: There was that Elvis impersonator at his Vegas rally, shown in the single The Circus episode that’s free on Hulu. A minute later the camera showed a Trump impersonator. Likely they love him too.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Disgruntled former Baud supporter:

    Parody is deceased, passed on, and gone to meet its maker…

    Not simply stunned, then, eh?

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    Ryan says:

    This post is filed under assholes. Good!

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Note for future reference: never try to send anything of commercial value to Sweden. The first package I sent for work was inexplicably delayed by three days, and customs somehow misplaced the paperwork for the second package and I had to re-send it to FedEx. Yeesh.

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    Anya says:

    @Mnemosyne: if I understand correctly, Yusuf Islam who converted first is not the same as the current Y Islam. He moderated his views a great deal after he learned a lot or was educated on Islam.

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    Doug R says:

    @Mnemosyne: Noted canadian douche and media mogul Conrad black had to give up his canadian citizenship to become Lord black, ex jailbird.

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    scav says:

    @Mnemosyne: Surrounded by this much delusion but passionate exposition about the meaning of natural born citizens and the Presidency, I doubt you really need to worry much, except in the perfected Zeus-eye view. The characters will believe what they damn well believe and surprise! it works to their advantage!

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    Aleta says:

    @Brachiator: that’s funny

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    I see from one of my news alerts that the somnolent and be-drugged Ben Carson has endorsed Trump.

    Palin, Christie, Sessions, Carson (and I’m sure others I’m forgetting). Such an impressive lineup of supporters.

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    daverave says:

    Speaking of celebrity endorsements, it saddened me today, as a long-time NY Yankee fan, to learn that Paul O’Neill had thrown his support to Drumpf. Johnny Damon too but that’s somewhat understandable because he lasted so long on Celebrity Apprentice several years ago.

    Feel free to dump on the Yankees now all of you haters.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @scav:

    Believe me, I need to get shit like this right lest I induce a fit of potato rage in my readers (as defined by Smart Bitches, Trashy Books):

    Potato Rage: The rage that overtakes the reader when a blatant and easily researchable anachronism pops up out of nowhere. Like potatoes (a New World food) being served to a Viking. (Possibly coined and defined by Red Headed Girl in her review for Season in the Sun).

    Use the wrong aristocratic title in a historical romance and people will never let you live that shit down.

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    rk says:

    @WereBear:

    Islamic countries have a rich cultural tradition of music and singing. Only strict Wahhabis and Taliban like fundamentalists place restrictions on it.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Doug R:

    I’m not the only one who suspects that Canada only invoked that rule so they could get rid of the guy, am I? Canadians are so much more sensible than we are.

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    redshirt says:

    @daverave: Um, the Yankees suck?

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    scav says:

    @Mnemosyne: Well, holster the truth for Zeus level and mention it there, but don’t let it get in the way of the plot. Remind the Gentle Readers than insanity, delusion and the self-interested madness of crowds is not uniquely an modern affliction.

    ETA: Thanks for more vocab to go with scrapbooking.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Mnemosyne: Could be worse. You could post something here and omit the serial comma. You’d probably have to live in a cave for the rest of your life.

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    SFAW says:

    @Brachiator:

    Not simply stunned, then, eh?

    Let’s check …

    HELLO, PARODY!! HELLOOOOO! (shouting)

    >Whack, whack sounds as parody is being slammed on the counter<

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    stinger says:

    @Peale:

    You know you’re requesting a classy data set when the registration options includes “Sir” and “Baroness” and other titles in addition to Mr. Mrs. Ms. and Dr.

    This land-locked Iowan always checks “Admiral” if it’s offered.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @JPL:

    A friend of mine who works for the Canadian Embassy is incredibly chuffed that Justin Trudeau retweeted one of her tweets today (a nice photo of Sophie and Michelle)!

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    SFAW says:

    @stinger:

    This land-locked Iowan always checks “Admiral” if it’s offered.

    … before you set sail for that submarine base in Kansas, no doubt.

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    Aleta says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: They stunned him, just as he was waking up.

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    Calouste says:

    @Mnemosyne: These days, since 1963, new titles are life peerages, i.e. not inheritable. The main exception is the royal family, and there have been a few more inheritable peerages created since 1963, but to people who didn’t have heirs.

    Another trivia is that a lot of peers have multiple titles, and that the oldest son of a peer will use the next highest ranked title as his courtesy title, and his oldest son will use the third highest ranked. So for example, the Duke of Wellington has a son, who is the Marquess of Douro, and he has a son who is the Earl of Mornington. If the Earl of Mornington was to have a son before his grandfather died, that son would probably be called Viscount Wellesley

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    Eric S. says:

    @Gin & Tonic: You’re correct. Martinis are made with gin. People just serve vodka drinks in the fancy glass.

    I’m mostly joking but the one thing that gets my goat is when I order a martini (I specify my gin) and the bartender asks if I want it on the rocks. The Lady has had to lay a hand on my arm to calm me more than once.

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    stinger says:

    @SFAW: Aye!

    Aye!

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    Scott Alloway says:

    Cat Stevens –
    Miles from Nowhere. Listened often to that song in 1971.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @daverave: Maybe Trump should buy the Yankees. And you thought Steinbrenner was an insufferable prick…

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    The link is in my word “this” — it doesn’t show up very blue, though.

    ETA: Sorry, in the word “interview.”

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    redshirt says:

    @Betty Cracker: Ha! That would be perfect. He can’t afford it by himself though, but with dumb partners….

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Calouste:

    Yes, and only the children of earls and higher get courtesy titles of “Lord” or “Lady” — lesser peers’ kids have to make do with getting to be “The Honourable” Miss or Mister.

    Wikipedia claims that an earl’s daughters get to be “Lady Diana” while their brothers have to be “The Honourable Mr.,” but I may need to look that up.

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    Mandalay says:

    Governor Scott awkwardly tried to deflect questions about whether or not Muslims hate America by repeating lines about unrelated events in Florida.

    While that is true, the far more notable aspect of the story is that he was repeatedly told to stop ducking the question, When he continued to waffle they threw him off the show and then ranted about Governor Scott being a gutless scumbag.

    That’s exactly how politicians should be treated: answer the question or we’ll cut your mike and then we’ll tell the audience that you are a worthless piece of shit.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @rikyrah:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Major U.S. hedge fund managers are on pace this year to more than double the amount they gave in the 2012 election campaign, with independent fundraising groups backing Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton and Republican rival Ted Cruz receiving the most so far.

    About $47 million has been lavished on presidential candidates and lawmakers and the political action committees that support them

    You should dig into the details. 2/3 of the money Clinton got is from Soros. She only got 4 million from Wall Street in that report; only a small fraction of what Cruz got.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Calouste:

    Also, too, IIRC there’s a bit of family ranking even in an untitled family — only the oldest daughter gets to be plain “Miss.” So, in “Pride and Prejudice,” only Jane would be introduced as “Miss Bennett.” The rest would be “Miss Elizabeth Bennett,” “Miss Mary Bennett,” and on down the line.

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    redshirt says:

    @Fair Economist: Soros is truly the source of evil in liberaldom.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    Could be worse. You could post something here and omit the serial comma.

    A serial comma killer?

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    jl says:

    I guess this could be satire too, but apparently it is not. The infantilization of the GOP continues apace.

    GOP hacks berate each other on TV over their chairs, and drag in some implied p * n * s jokes.

    Ex-Jeb Aide Burns Trump Supporter: ‘You’re Sitting In A Booster Chair!’ (VIDEO)
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....-cnn-trump

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Calouste:

    Okay okay okay, last thing — this introduction from Wodehouse always cracks me up (as made by Bertie Wooster’s cousin Eustace):

    “By the way, you’ve never met old Dog-Face, have you? Dog-Face, this is my cousin Bertie. Lord Rainsby — Mr. Wooster.”

    (As Bertie’s Aunt Agatha informs us later in the same story, old Dog-Face is the Earl of Datchet’s son.)

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    Doug R says:

    @SFAW: Admiral Kirk is from Iowa.

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    Eric S. says:

    @daverave: With the notable exception of Dibble I think O’Neil was the biggest asshole on the 1990 Reds. No surprise on my part.

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    Origuy says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Accepting an actual peerage title would mean that Curtis would lose her American citizenship.

    No. The Constitution, Article I, Section 9, Clause 8 says:

    No title of nobility shall be granted by the United States: and no person holding any office of profit or trust under them, shall, without the consent of the Congress, accept of any present, emolument, office, or title, of any kind whatever, from any king, prince, or foreign state.

    There was a proposed amendment that would strip citizenship from American who accepted a title, but that was never ratified.
    ETA. The rules may be different if you are titled and want to become a naturalized citizen.

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    sherparick says:

    @jl: Dumb or evil are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Given that this is the Tea Party, they should dress all their stormtroopers up in short britches and tricorn hats.

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    sherparick says:

    @SFAW: Yes it is.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Chyron HR: Cat’s in the Cradle was written by Harry Chapin. Cat Stevens covered it.

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    sherparick says:

    @Mandalay: It would have been nice if they had kept him on the air until he completed is transformation back to his reptilian form and returned to Planet Mongo (a/k/a Florida.)

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @daverave:

    Feel free to dump on the Yankees now all of you haters.

    In that case and in honor of Steve Gilliard — FTFY

    ETA: I miss Steve and wonder how he would have reacted to President Obama or this year’s Republican field. Goddess, could that guy write.

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    J R in WV says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Mrs J grew up as an American Baptist. The schism between Southern Baptists and American Baptists derived from racial differences. IIRC the Am Baptists wouldn’t allow slave owners to go to Africa as missionaries – but it could have simpler, the Civil War etc.

    But you are quite correct about the dancing, no prob with Am Baptists to dance. Southern Baptists aren’t allowed to do anything fun that might distract from worship, and hating people who think the So. Baptists are dicks.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @NotMax: Don’t listen to ‘Bitterblue’!!!

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Mnemosyne: Old Regular Baptists & Freewill Baptists both frown on dancing & one of them doesn’t even have musical instruments in church. All singing is done a capella.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Mnemosyne: I have a dual British citizenship & own no property in GB.

    Edit: Think she was trying to keep her voting rights. One must ‘live’ in GB to be able to vote for Parliament, etc. Guess that was it.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @daverave: Not surprising they are Repubs. Both are multi-millionaires.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @Mnemosyne: Read a history book recently about 100 Years War & author writing about some 14th century dustup mentioned the peasants couldn’t plant their corn crops…

    I said, sheesh.

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