Texts from Hillary and Weekend at Bernie’s (Open Thread)

texts from hillaryThe great state of Florida holds its primary elections a week from today. I got a text from Team Hillary this afternoon asking about my plans to get to the polls (whether I’d be driving, walking, taking public transportation, etc.) and when I planned on voting.

When I responded, they said they’d remind me about driving to the polls on Tuesday morning. They also offered to help me find my polling place (no need; I already know it), and I’m guessing that if I’d said I was going to catch a ride with someone, they’d try to scare up a nearby volunteer if I ran into trouble with that plan. That’s the kind of proactive strategy Team Obama had going on back in ’08 and ’12. Seems like a good sign.

Meanwhile, Team Bernie sent an invitation to a couple of local appearances by the candidate himself coming up toward the end of this week. I can’t make it because I’ll be working, but Bernie is definitely barnstorming Florida. Good for him! I’ve donated small sums to both campaigns, so I’m on both mailing lists. It’ll be interesting to compare and contrast their GOTV activities as Tuesday approaches.

Open thread!






356 replies
  1. 1
    DemJayhawks says:

    Similar experience here in Kansas. Cavassers came by twice, then I received two texts (I provided them my number) reminding me to caucus. No contact from the Sanders campaign, but they didn’t really need it based on the results.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    The tech team for Hillary isn’t quite as star-packed as the one Obama gathered, but it’s pretty damn good. The social team — community-building, make-a-plan-to-vote, make voting an event to share — has a lot of Obama campaign alums. They’ll be testing out approaches with an eye on using them in the general.

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    Hildebrand says:

    Team Hillary sent me two emails today – one asking if I needed help getting to the polls, the other just a few minutes ago asking if I had voted yet.

    Interestingly, I haven’t received a single email throughout the campaign from Team Sanders, even though I visited the website quite often last fall, and gave my email address on a number of occasions. Nothing nefarious, I am very certain, but it seems odd to let a fish wriggle off the hook.

    Turnout was light at our precinct, my wife and I were voters 236 and 237. Of course, it was delightful to vote today in a primary that actually makes a difference. Even better, my wife and I voted just after she was released from cataract and toric lens implant surgery.

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    Baud says:

    The Baud! 2016! campaign should have sent you a candygram, Betty. Has it arrived?

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    Never actually put myself on Hillary’s list in Michigan, despite eventually voting for her. I was on Bernie’s emailing list, though, and got one door canvass and two robocalls. The volunteer was quite nice, and from peeking at her sheet it looked like ours was the only Democratic house on the block, heh.

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    Chat Noir says:

    Missouri primary a week from today. Husband and I can walk to our polling place. Two votes for Hillary.

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    dr. bloor says:

    Are your chickens going with Team Hillary or are they Feeling the Bern?

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    Mike J says:

    @Baud: Landshark.

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    Baud says:

    @efgoldman: Chocolate easter eggs in the shape of Rick Scott’s head.

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    @Baud: Did you also send green balloons?

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    Baud says:

    BTW, I’m really digging Betty’s artwork.

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    debbie says:

    @Baud:

    Yo! Don’t forget Ohio’s primary is next week! (I like truffles.)

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: I didn’t like the earrings, but the rest of the artwork is okay.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @efgoldman: You’re counting chickens votes before they’re hatched cast again, aren’t you?

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    Peale says:

    So, you’re not voting for Augustus Invictus, then?

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    goblue72 says:

    Hillary sent a shuttle sponsored by Goldman Sachs. Sanders sent two BernieBros to mansplain why you need to vote.

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    Percysowner says:

    I’m from Ohio. Bernie’s team texted me to remind me about voting and asked if I could help with GOTV. I’m voting Hillary, but I’ll probably do the GOTV for them, since they asked. I’m doing early voting on Thursday.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I assumed Betty already had plenty. How else could I find her house?

    @debbie: Oy. This could get pricey. My plan was to target front pagers because they are influencers. Chocolate for Betty, Mustard for Cole, Sour Grapes for mistermix, etc. (Cole’s off the list now, of course.) Once I’m elected, however, there will be truffles in every pot.

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    Mandalay says:

    @efgoldman:

    Are old Jewish people still a significant part of the Florida democratic electorate?

    The American Jewish Population Project shows the breakdown by age and county of the Jewish population in Florida. The project is ongoing, but what they have done so far is pretty impressive, especially the map graphics. Zoom in on Florida then move the mouse and all the demographic data is updated as you cross a county boundary.

    ETA: I just realized that it doesn’t address the question you asked (“democratic electorate”). But we live in a totalitarian state under Emperor Scott anyway.

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    debbie says:

    Fair enough. But you shouldn’t forget Kay’s influence in Ohio. She knows people…

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    trollhattan says:

    @Baud:
    Which kind of truffles? I’d like one of these, please.

    Plenty of time, California doesn’t vote ’til June.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @goblue72:

    Is that like the buses full of illegal immigrants that conservatives swear unload at their polling places every year?

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    hueyplong says:

    Early voted in NC today, and chose a Republican ballot so I could “primary” several execrable characters. Actually choked a little saying the word “Republican” and had to say it again in order to be understood. That was a little embarrassing.

    Voted against Trump (for Cruz, so the GOP can get close enough to steal it a la 2000 and so Trump will go third party and create a 1912 scenario for Hillary or Bernie). That seemed more satisfying than voting Bernie to keep Hillary leaning left when she’s probably already thinking general.

    Voted against Gov McCrory (man, that was fun).

    Voted against Virginia Foxx, a real standout in a host of hateful GOP types.

    In my lifetime, I’ve lived in some very interesting Congressional districts (John Lewis, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Virginia Foxx). Never a dull moment.

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    Baud says:

    @debbie: Agreed. I need to find out what candy is made by American union workers.

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    Peale says:

    @Baud: baud! For A Nation of Happy Pigs😄

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    WarMunchkin says:

    Glenn Greenwald made me depressed again.

    the final New York Times story yesterday at least included this phrase about the Pentagon’s claims about who it killed: “There was no independent way to verify the claim”

    I laughed, then I cried.

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    raven says:

    @hueyplong: All I get is Paul Braun!

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    debbie says:

    This statement doesn’t help to endear her to me, but I knew Hillary would come out with this sooner or later:

    “The sooner I could become your nominee, the more I could begin to turn attention to the Republicans.”

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    hueyplong says:

    “… the final New York Times story yesterday at least included this phrase about the Pentagon’s claims about who it killed: ‘There was no independent way to verify the claim’”

    Not many people are independent. French weapons inspectors can’t be everywhere.

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    dedc79 says:

    The absolute worst thing you’ll read today: How Al Franken Paved the Way for Donald Trump

    Fournier has a clone, apparently.

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    Isobel says:

    @Baud: Don’t put my truffles in the pot, put them in the fridge. I like ’em cold!

    Betty, fellow Flordinian, vote well. I wish I was stateside this primary season. I want to vote for Hillary so bad.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Baud:

    I need to find out what candy is made by American union workers.

    This is why I cannot hop on the BAUD! bandwagon. It’s not clear if the Need to Know is to support the American candy workers union or to avoid the American candy workers union. Double-tongue DoublePlus Ungood speech is not what the country needs, at this time.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @dedc79: I thought it would be about entertainers getting into politics. This, this goes below and beyond in stupidity.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    I voted. It was a breeze. Parked in front of City Hall, one young dude in a Rasta hat in front of me, one senior citizen behind.
    Our town’s turnout in the Presidential election is >85% and >85% Dem. It will be interesting to see those numbers for this primary.

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    namekarB says:

    Hard to believe that smart and informed voters still go to the polls. My precinct (Northern California) is 60% mail in ballots. Even if one waits until election day, one can still take your mail in ballot and drop it off at any precinct.

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    D58826 says:

    link to the live coverage of the solar eclipse – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....e6f8e8fbfd

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    dedc79 says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled: Right? And look, I expect a certain amount of political revisionism to creep in over time, but this isn’t the distant past and the Republicans weren’t exactly secretive about what they were doing.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @debbie:

    Isn’t she still, technically, a front-pager anyway?

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    debbie says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    She’s on the drop-down, so she could be.

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    Haven’t received my absentee ballot yet, but I will cast a vote one way or another. Another vote against McCrory and every other GOPer I can. Casting my vote for Hillary. Time to take the bastards down.

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    jnfr says:

    I have donated to Bernie several times and here in Colorado we were deluged before the caucus day, and on the day got three phone calls and two or three emails making sure I knew where to go.

    And that was after we’d assured the guy who came by the house that we were going to be at caucuses. They weren’t taking any chances :)

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @hueyplong: Gyad, Virginia Foxx! I’d forgotten she existed, but now I remember her — nuttier than a squirrel turd.

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    D58826 says:

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): And one more vote from me when i hit the library tomorrow for early voting.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @namekarB: I enjoy the ritual of it.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Baud: What about a free Baudaphone like the infamous free Obamaphones which all us minorities got?

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    Kay says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I tried to do a post the other day after I got your comment out of moderation but I don’t remember how to turn the comments on so I got incredibly cranky immediately and gave up.

    I can’t deal with the anger of no comments and what if I can’t fix it? OMFG the outrage :)

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @namekarB: In 2008 I voted by mail for President Obama but decided to go in and vote in person in 2012 just for the experience. But I appreciate the ability to choose how to vote instead of having to wait in line for hours like those poor voters in Florida in 2012.

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    tsquared2001 says:

    @dedc79: I have read that “leftist’s” PC are responsible for Trump. That President Obama is responsible for Trump. That the motherfucking sun coming up in the East is responsible for Trump – blaming My Guy Al is just more nonsense from the party of “personal responsibility”.

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    Kay says:

    My husband went to a 4 county organizing meeting tonight. He said it went well. They have a special ed teacher who is the lead and she is “very patient”.

    I don’t know what that means or why she would need THAT for the job :)

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    Linda Featheringill says:

    @D58826:

    Good for you, Ben.

    My daughter was in the Navy and she said that the Powers That Be made it easy to vote.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @dr. bloor: they’re ready for broiling.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    I just always walk over to the local fire station, about 3 blocks away. It usually takes about 5-10 minutes to vote.

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    different-church-lady says:

    Testing again…

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    japa21 says:

    I know there has been a lot of complaining about the incivility of the Berniebros or the Clintonistas, but I had a nice experience a couple days ago.

    A Bernie volunteer called the house to remind us of the primary in Illinois next week. I told her that my wife and I have decided who we were voting for and will be voting. She asked if I would be willing to tell her who we were voting for, I told her Clinton.

    I expected a spiel in support of Bernie. All she said was “That’s fine, we have two wonderful candidates.” I responded, “totally unlike the other side.” She laughed and wished me a good day.

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    different-church-lady says:

    After numerous cache clears and cookie resets, Daily Kos is the only thing still not loading for me.

    Life is trying to tell me something.

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    Baud says:

    @japa21:

    Please tell me you didn’t tell her about the internet.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Kay:

    Just say in the post that we don’t deserve comments and we’re all ungrateful whiners. You know, like Cole would do it.
    ;-)

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Linda Featheringill: During my time in the Air Force, there was more than adequate information around to insure that anyone who wanted to cast a vote could.

    OT: I got the guest bathroom redone. Just like we planned, have to say it looks good.

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    raven says:

    @Ben Cisco: During my time in the Army I was too fucking young to vote.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    ObOpenThread.

    Virginia Teabaggers are saying they’ll put Ken Cuccinelli on the VA State Supreme Court:

    Apparently defeated in trying to put Rossie Alston on the Virginia Supreme Court, it looks like Republicans are going for someone even MORE right wing than Alston — none other than our old climate-scientist-persecuting, LGBT-bashing, Obamacare-hating, birther-flirting, reproductive-rights-denying, former Attorney General, Ken “the Cooch” Cuccinelli.

    If someone tells me that “both sides are the same” or “we have to punish the Democrats because they’re in the pockets of the Millionaires and Billionaires™” I’ll point them to this story in the hope of not (virtually) strangling them.

    We have to vote these Teabaggers out and not let them near power again. They’re insane and cannot be trusted with power.

    Grr.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Kay:

    LOL, Kay, I wake up cranky most days, and it usually lasts for several hours. If I had to deal with the FYWP BJ dashboard, it would send me right round the bend.

    (Thank you, in case I didn’t say at the time, for releasing me from stir the other day.)

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    One of my FB friends is ranting that he couldn’t vote for the Libertarian candidate and THIS SHALL NOT STAND!!1!. Someone more patient than me explained to him that’s not how the Libertarians do it in MI and he should contact his party.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @hueyplong:

    In my lifetime, I’ve lived in some very interesting Congressional districts (John Lewis, Newt Gingrich, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, Virginia Foxx)

    I lived in three distant and unrelated parts of Georgia and stayed in Cynthia McKinney’s district the whole time. Might possible have been gerrymandered? Like the part that consisted of nothing more than I-16?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @japa21: Yes, I suspect that’s how most Bernie-folk are in the real world.

    There must be a special corollary to John Gabriel’s Greater Internet Dickwad Theory for Bernfeelers.

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    Baud says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Did he blame Obama?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @namekarB:

    Hard to believe that smart and informed voters still go to the polls.

    Some of us live in red states.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Baud:

    Did he blame Obama?

    Everything is Obama’s fault by default.
    Our grandchildren will consider ‘Thanks, Obama!’ a harmless eccentricity on the order of ‘Kilroy was here’.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @raven: I’ve seen you mention that before. I guess I knew about that given the laws at that time, but that must have been some kind of mindfu*k given the crap you were in, and not getting a voice. Definitely wrong.

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    raven says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Have you seen how they gerrymandered Barrow’s district to get him out?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven: Yeah, but it was funny that it took a couple of tries to get it done!

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    Kay says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    My favorite Balloon Juice memory was when I was supposed to “liveblog” a meet-up. I knew I wouldn’t do it because I can’t do two things at once and I have to talk to the people there but I was supposed to, so John called to ask where the liveblog was and I couldn’t hear a word he said. We were sitting in a bar and it was really loud and, please, I was so hungry. I have to eat my sandwich! It was like “rah rah rah ranty rah” and then I would say “okay, got it”.

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    different-church-lady says:

    So it appears there’s something at Daily Kos that’s corrupting my cache or cookies in a way that allows me to read Balloon Juice but not allowing me to post any comments here.

    Life is definitely trying to tell me something.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Polls closing in a few minutes in MI. Guardian US has a results page that’s not too painful to navigate. No data yet.

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    @dedc79: Its like history started when Obama was elected, no mention of the disaster that was W.

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    Cacti says:

    Mississippi immediately called for Clinton.

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    eemom says:

    I don’t live in Florida, but I’m looking forward to seeing Rubio get squashed there like the insect he is.

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    debbie says:

    @raven:

    If the graphic of the #1 gerrymandered district doesn’t prove politics is crooked, then nothing will. A median strip, for chrissake!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @raven:

    Those are just insane! NC12 looks like a fucking oil spill.

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    raven says:

    @Cacti:

    Sittin’ on the windowsill
    Near the flowers

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    raven says:

    @debbie: Boom shakalka. . .

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    Poopyman says:

    @Kay: Yeah, but we had a good time anyway. And IIRC, JMN and I were trading comments, so that’s sorta like live-blogging.

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    Deecarda says:

    @Betty Cracker:
    Indeed, and I live in her district 😫

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    oldgold says:

    HC getting 89% of African-American vote in Mississipi.

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    hueyplong says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    I only moved one time to get all four of those people (Lewis, Barr, Gingrich, McKinney). So, yes, gerrymandering.

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    raven says:

    @hueyplong: Barr’s fratboy kids lived around the corner when they were at UGA. Stone punks.

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    Kay says:

    @Poopyman:

    It was fun. Do you still go to Kos convention?

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    satby says:

    @Ben Cisco: how are you feeling Ben?

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    Tripod says:

    I got nothing from Hillary and only one piece of glossy landfill from Bernie. Baud I’m fired up and ready to go!

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    Tripod says:

    Rubio trying to break into double digits in MS – this was the establishments fallback guy???

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Deeply weird Guardian results page has talking animations of candidates coloring in the map and making speeches.

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    dslak says:

    When will Hillary finally win a state that matters?

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    JPL says:

    I’d like Trump tonight’s primaries because I think he would have a breakdown during a debate with Hillary. The idea that the police have to cuff him, and drag him off the stage thrills me.

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    hueyplong says:

    @raven:

    I’m shocked. Or not.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @efgoldman: I always vote absentee (I.e. by mail) whether I am traveling or not. Easy as pie.

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    Tripod says:

    Kentucky Dems go 3 for 4 in state house races. Take 53\47 advantage. They even picked up a 61/37 RMoney district.

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    Mike J says:

    @oldgold:

    HC getting 89% of African-American vote in Mississipi.

    And winning whites 2-1.

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    divF says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: I recently discovered that Cuccinelli went to my high school. Other alums include Pat Buchanan and Bill Bennett – yuck. I had high hopes for Martin O’Malley (class of 1981) wiping the taint off the old alma mater, but I guess not this cycle.

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    Tracy Ratcliff says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: The Guardian page is oddly addictive though. I know a couple of people watching on Super Tuesday for a rare glimpse of the John Kasich animation.

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    japa21 says:

    @Tripod: That is excellent news.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Oh, God, Salon is going to keep printing articles about how the Democrats are doomed for not nominating Bernie for the rest of the year, aren’t they? And people I follow are going to keep sharing them.

    Hillary Clinton better fucking win or we’re going to have to read these things for the rest of our lives.

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    Baud says:

    @Tripod: These were special elections?

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    Baud says:

    @Matt McIrvin: GOTV motivation if ever there was one.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mike J:

    HC getting 89% of African-American vote in Mississipi.

    And winning whites 2-1.

    Yeah, but Bernie won the Ole Miss student democrats and the wait staff at Ajax!

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    japa21 says:

    Looks like Trump or Kasich in MI which means they will split most of the delegates. Cruz way, way behind and Rubio probably won’t even get one delegate.

    Close on the Dem side, which probably means a split delegate wise, which doesn’t help Bernie.

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    Wrb says:

    @different-church-lady: damn, the PUMA Firebaggers’ nastiness is just viral among Hillary supporters. Is Sanders now an “inadequate Jewish man”?

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    Cacti says:

    @dslak:

    When will Hillary finally win a state that matters?

    Virginia, Nevada, and Iowa were all swing states, genius.

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    Baud says:

    @japa21: Probably right, but a tie by Bernie would be impressive since he’s been polling down there.

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    Han says:

    @Baud: Will there be pot in every truffle?

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    scav says:

    @Tracy Ratcliff: Today would seem a good day for them in Michigan. Poor Tufte – but there is all that time to fill between new projections becoming available.

    ETA: although mousing over counties, it’s more that he’s a regular and determined best maid there, so may still be hiding in the backstage.

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    Mandalay says:

    Even Ben Carson is currently running ahead of little Marco in Mississippi!

    Sweet.

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    dslak says:

    @Cacti: Why should I trust you on that? If you’re supporting a compromised candidate, you’re probably compromised, as well.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Tripod:

    Kentucky Dems go 3 for 4 in state house races. Take 53\47 advantage. They even picked up a 61/37 RMoney district.

    They already hate Bevin!

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Baud:

    Probably right, but a tie by Bernie would be impressive since he’s been polling down there.

    Last time I looked 538 had Clinton with a 99% chance of winning MI. Looks a lot closer than that at this point.

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    Kay says:

    @japa21:

    If they can start to figure out if Sanders is attracting pissed off “dissident Democrats” though (I don’t know if it;s true) then he’s a plus, overall. If they’re engaged in the primary they’ll vote in the general and if it’s Clinton or Republican they’ll vote for Clinton.

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    Bex says:

    In other news, a man has been arrested for stealing $200,000 in quarters from Brink’s. I wonder if that’s where RtR ended up. Did someone drop the dime on him?

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    Baud says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Hard to know what areas are outstanding.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @dslak:

    When will Hillary finally win a state that matters?

    Are you saying that Democrats who live in red states should have no say in who the Democratic nominee is? Please explain why that makes sense.

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    Cacti says:

    @dslak:

    Why should I trust you on that? If you’re supporting a compromised candidate, you’re probably compromised, as well.

    Trust of me unnecessary. A google search will confirm it for you.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Baud:
    Less than 7% reporting. I dunno if I can stay up for all of this.

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    Mike J says:

    @Cacti: I think you missed the snark tag

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    Baud says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:
    Some polls close at 9 PM in Michigan, but I don’t know where they are.

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    Cacti says:

    @Mike J:

    Apparently.

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    Hal says:

    What I wouldn’t give for an extinction level event right about now. November can’t come soon enough.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @Baud: Upper peninsula, I think.

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    Cacti says:

    For any Michiganders out there…is Wayne County usually slow to report results?

    I was looking at the NYT interactive map, and so far only 2 of 999 precincts reporting there.

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    Tripod says:

    @Baud:

    Correct. GOP was trying to take control but lost a seat instead. Go figure.

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    Baud says:

    @dr. bloor:

    Low population, but I assume Bernie territory. Just a guess, I don’t know Michigan at all.

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    Mike J says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Nothing from Wayne county in yet.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @oldgold:

    I’d be curious to see how many AAs voted for Trump in MS. One of my coworkers was horrified to find out her sister’s AA in-laws said they were Trump-curious.

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    dr. bloor says:

    @Baud: Wayne County has barely started reporting. That said, Sanders is leading by a little to a lot just about every area with partial reports.

    You can click on the individual states to get a breakdown on reporting:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/2016-election-results/us-primaries/

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Cacti:

    For any Michiganders out there…is Wayne County usually slow to report results?
    I was looking at the NYT interactive map, and so far only 2 of 999 precincts reporting there.

    Not surprising. With their budget they may be running on very low staff. Wayne county (Detroit and immediate environs) is really hurting for money.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Baud: @debbie: Agreed. I need to find out what candy is made by American union workers.

    https://www.unionplus.org/union-made/easter-candy
    They have a page for Halloween candy still available, if the campaign is strapped for cash.

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    dslak says:

    @Steve in the ATL: They should only have a say if they can prove that they deserve it. What I’m seeing from them so far suggests that they do not.

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    Cacti says:

    Rubio fizzling. Only 8.8%.

    Puts him ahead of “Other” for last place with 4.2%.

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    jl says:

    If current results hold I look forward to a happy post from Lady Cracker on Rubio. Looks like today he got to stage 4 of his 3-4-5 strategy. Bringing up the rear in both state primaries reporting results so far (MI and MS, and Rubio is bringing up a very pathetic and distant rear).

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    Deecarda says:

    @hueyplong:
    I’m in Foxx’s district too, surprised to find another local on this blog.

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    Mike J says:

    And while we’re waiting on Wayne County…..

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    Wayne County, home of Detroit, is what matters, and always seems to be slow. No American city is more black than Detroit.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @Baud: Fuck the UP. Damn Packers fans.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @raven: Notice how most of the districts in the list are Democratic districts, and a couple were districts created to achieve minority representation of some sort.

    Why? Because the page is on a Pajamas Media site. Probably the biggest thing gerrymandering accomplished in modern history was to lock in the Republican Congressional majority after the 2010 redistricting, but you’ll find little hint of that there.

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    divF says:

    @Mike J: Every time I see Wayne County, I want to replace Wayne with Jayne.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Wrb:

    Try not to crack under the stress, we’re breaking down like fractions.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    Last time I looked 538 had Clinton with a 99% chance of winning MI.

    O/T, but I was just looking at Nate’s predictions for the GOP nomination last August:

    Bush 28%
    Walker 28%
    Rubio 21%
    Trump 2%
    Cruz 1%

    Ouch.

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    Tripod says:

    She’s moved ahead in Oakland and Macomb counties. Not a good sign for Bernie.

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    Baud says:

    @dr. bloor:

    Last update I saw had it about 51-48 Sanders. If Detroit hasn’t reported yet, that’s good for Hillary.

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    @Matt McIrvin: F**k ’em. They’ve already gone around the bend with their articles by H.A. Goodman and company that slam Hillary worse than the GOP and spout out the “let the GOP win–so what if America gets ass-raped for four years, think of the progressive utopia coming in 2020!!”.

    I kept hearing the ‘it’s only four years!” line of nonsense from Naderites in their dismissal of G.W. Bush back in 2000 when they were far, far more interested in slamming Gore. Of course, they were proven wrong right from the start of Bush’s first term.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    Higher than normal Dem turnout (26%!) this time caused at least one precinct outside Grand Rapids MI to run out of D ballots.

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    Cacti says:

    2 more precincts from Wayne have trickled in.

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    Mike J says:

    @Mandalay: Predictions are as good as the data that drive them. Back then, that was probably a pretty good guess.

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    Baud says:

    The Village has gone from promoting Rubio to mocking him.

    Let us savor.

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    I was reading some regional language Indian newspapers this afternoon, guess what, they are freaking out about Trump.

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    Hal says:

    @Mandalay: Those predictions aren’t static, and I’m sure Silver would agree. Even someone with a 99% chance of winning can still lose. That doesn’t mean the statistical model was wrong.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Tripod:

    Whoo-whoo! Maybe they can stop some of the obnoxious TeaBagging Shit the governor is trying to pull.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Tripod:

    She’s moved ahead in Oakland and Macomb counties. Not a good sign for Bernie.

    But not predictive of Wayne, where the median income is 35% of Oakland’s.
    We’ll see.

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    Baud says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Anything specific, or simply generalized horror.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    So some fucking genius.started the hashtag #Mississippiberning. Stupid and evil is no way to go through life.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    A lot of this primary has been delightful. I can’t stop reading GOP pundits on Twitter. They go from glimmers of hope to despair, in cycles.

    John Kasich will be their new hope.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @Marc McKenzie: It’s so disrespectful, too. They’d deliberately allow the country to be destroyed and expect voters to reward them for that.

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    Mike J says:

    @Cacti: 4 out of 999 in Wayne in.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @debbie: That’s NC for ya.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder:

    Last poll was from PPP on 2/27 and had Clinton leading by 10.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Salon is hilarious Bernie clickbait idiocy, and the comments section could be right at home in North Korea.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    John Kasich will be their new hope.

    I’m sorry, Kay.

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    amk says:

    @Kay:

    week after week, state after state, the da ‘establishment gop’ is crashing and berning.

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    @Baud: Just horrified at the possibility that he could end up being the President. They were incredulous that his popularity has increased, in spite of making one outlandish statement after another.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Mike J:

    Back then, that was probably a pretty good guess.

    Right – his gut feeling, based on meaningless polls. But it’s still reassuring to know that Nate is just as dumb as the rest of us when he doesn’t have good data.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @D58826:

    link to the live coverage of the solar eclipse –

    Total solar eclipse, Oregon to South Carolina on Monday, August 21, 2017

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Wrb: I have no idea what one has to do with the other, but I’ll play: who said he was?

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    Cacti says:

    @Mike J:

    Now up to 9. Bernie with a small lead.

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    Baud says:

    “Instantly recognizable hair”

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @satby: Tomorrow marks one month since I lost her. I’m still here, and I spend more time feeling that I want to be here than feeling that I don’t. Progress. There’s a reason I didn’t actually have a heart attack and die alongside her, just need to find out what.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Hal: also, Nate is predicting a win with that number. Not a blow out, a win. But if it stays this close, then the polls got it wrong.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: Aw c’mon, let Kay have a little fun watching her local GOper get the limelight and then implode and make a fool of himself. The GOP primary has to do a least a few people a little good.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Not to get too deep into the hippie punching, but the Guardian commentariat is just as loco. Now that the paper has acknowledge the obvious truth of Hillary’s lead the paper is suddenly corrupted and compromised. It’s so obviously Baby’s First Election for a bunch of those Dunning-Kruger dweebs.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Hal:

    That doesn’t mean the statistical model was wrong.

    You could not have even glanced at that article before opining; it’s title was “Totally Subjective Presidential Odds”.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Wayne county is only 55% white, Oakland county is 77% white. If she wins Oakland county, she’ll win Wayne county.

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    Anya says:

    Bernie supporters on social media are tone deaf. This the hashtag they were using all day for Mississippi: #MississippiBerning

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    raven says:

    Michigan too early to call.

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    Baud says:

    Michigan called for Trump.

    Dems too early to call.

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    japa21 says:

    Is Mississippi one of those GOP primary states where if you have more than 50% you get it all? Because right now Trump is over that mark.

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    Anoniminous says:

    On the Coo-Coo Loony Side, Trump has won Mississippi and is leading in Michigan.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    He’s barely beating Ted Cruz in Michigan. They should nominate Ted Cruz. Strong. VERY strong :)

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    jl says:

    @Ben Cisco: Good luck and keep your spirits up. Glad to hear you are hanging in there and feeling a little better.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @magurakurin:
    Weather may play a factor. It was sunny and 70 today in SE MI*. Higher than expected turnout in many places.

    * and about damn time.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay: He’s doing poorly enough that I’m wondering if he holds Ohio.

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    Kay says:

    I love how Chris Matthews thinks that if Trump picks Kasich as a VP, that’s fine then and Trump will be mainstream. In what world does this work? No one cares about the VP.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @japa21:

    12 district delegates are bound to presidential contenders based on the primary results in each of the 4 congressional districts: each congressional district is assigned 3 National Convention delegates. [Rule 3]

    If one candidate receives a majority (more than 50%) of the vote in a Congressional District, that candidate is allocated all 3 delegates.
    Otherwise, the candidate receiving the most votes receives 2 delegates and the candidate receiving the second most votes receives 1 delegate.

    28 at-large delegates (10 base at-large delegates plus 15 bonus delegates plus 3 RNC delegates) are bound to presidential contenders based on the statewide primary vote. [Rule 4]

    Each presidential candidate receiving 15% or more of the statewide vote is proportionally allocated delegates based on their percentage of the vote total of all candidates who met the 15% threshold. Round to the nearest whole number. If no candidate receives 15% of the vote, the threshold is 10%

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Ben Cisco:

    Every anniversary and holiday and special date brings its own kind of fresh pain, especially in the first year. I ache for you, but am so happy to read that the scales have tilted toward wanting to stick around vs. not. Renewed and frequent hugs to you.

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    CaseyL says:

    @Ben Cisco: Glad to hear that you’re hanging on, and that hanging on is getting a bit easier.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Kay: Chris Matthews doesn’t ‘think’. He blurts out random things, usually at high volume, regardless of whether they make any sense.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    Me. too. I’m torn. I would like to see him lose Ohio but at the same time I think I would like Kasich better as the nom because I don’t like the risk involved with Trump. Kasich would just be a regular D v R slog.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @Bex: He was here earlier under his new nym “Ready” today, so I don’t think he’s the Brinks’ guy. More’s the pity.

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    Ready says:

    I’ll admit this isn’t a good night for common sense, mainstream conservatives.

    The only option left is but one: CHAOS.

    Vote for anyone but Trump. Throw this thing to a contested convention and throw out Trump.

    Cruz-Kasich? Rubio-Kasich? A #LosHermanosCubanos ticket with Cruz-Rubio or Rubio-Cruz? Now is the time to make a deal before Cleveland.

    #NeverTrump
    #DumpTheTrump

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    A lot of people think Kasich will be hardest to beat in the general election.

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    divF says:

    @FlyingToaster: You just had to say his name, didn’t you.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Shee-yit. They couldn’t make it more cumbersome if they were blindfolded, drugged, and trying to do calligraphy wearing boxing gloves.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Poor little Marco is in dead last. Funny how all those childish insults towards Trump pretty much deflected off of the hairpiece and went right back at him.

    I don’t think he has enough self-awareness to drop out after tonight, but I want to see how badly Marco cries when Donald ends his political career in a week.

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    Kay says:

    @dmsilev:

    I’m at the point where I can’t listen to Trump. I watched video of one of his rallies and that bullying of his protesters where he bellows and the crowd roars makes me sick. I hate pile-ons and what I think of as mob behavior.

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    dmsilev says:

    @Ready:

    I’ll admit this isn’t a good night for common sense, mainstream conservatives.

    Also a bad night for unicorns, Yetis, and the Loch Ness Monster.

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    Baud says:

    @PsiFighter37: Rubio is too dehydrated to cry.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    Yeah, that’s what’s so absurd. None of Bernie’s supporters have a clue what happened 8 short years ago, including my middle aged friends who are Bernfeelers. I’ve asked them over and over what is different about Bernie’s “revolution” now from Obama’s wave election then, and it’s just argle bargle unicorns and reasons.

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    raven says:

    @Kay: I can’t listen to any of them on either side.

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    Baud says:

    Rubio in that chair was his Dukakis in the tank moment.

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    Ready says:

    Get ready for a floor fight in Cleveland. We will not cede the Party of Lincoln and Reagan to a crook and a conman. No way, no how.

    #FloorFight
    #NeverTrump

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    Baud says:

    @Ready: I’d invite you to join us Democrats, but you kind of suck.

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    Carolina Dave says:

    @Deecarda:

    I’m in an adjacent district but her odiousness knows no boundaries. It will be interesting to see what the new nc-13 district produces

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    dmsilev says:

    @Kay: Trump scares me. He and his followers are sounding more and more authoritarian, with violent overtones, with every passing week. Cruz scares me as well, but for different reasons. Kasich and Rubio would be horrible Presidents, but the country would survive more or less as it is. The other two, I’m less sure.

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    Kay says:

    @Baud:

    I think that too but he’s a known quantity. Also, no one has ever really attacked him. He won the first governor’s race because Strickland was asleep until August and in the second his opponent was incredibly weak and damaged by election day. Republicans didn’t attack him in the primary because they didn’t have to.

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    Anya says:

    The vulgarian is talking. I still can’t wrap my brain around any sane human being not being repulsed by him.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I have vague recollections they did it that way to try and get some of the loverly primary money to flow into the state.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @raven:

    I can’t listen to any of them on either side.

    This bulldog concurs with that bulldog. I get all I need from BJ.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Baud:

    Exactly. Those boots were ridiculous too.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Ready: get ready? Everyone in this dive bar is frickin praying for you assholes to have a floor fight in Cleveland. There isn’t enough popcorn in the world for that. Please proceed, governor.

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    Ripley says:

    The only option left is but one: CHAOS.

    You misspelled ‘METH.’

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    Elie says:

    @Ben Cisco:

    Stay close to beauty and music that you love — and people that you love. Every nerve and sense in my body was so hungry for that when my Mom and best friend died. Poetry was also something I super dove into and appreciated… keep on keeping on, my man. One day after another…

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    Baud says:

    Trump’s is doing a subdued speech right now.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Kay:

    I love how Chris Matthews thinks that if Trump picks Kasich as a VP…

    Right. I can’t think of any Republican politician more likely than Kasich to tell President Trump “GFY” if he didn’t like what was coming out of Trump’s mouth.

    Underneath that folksy affable exterior of Kasich is a nasty self-centered bastard who is used to getting his own way.

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    Ready says:

    @Baud:

    Trump is basically a progressive in Republican clothing.

    More taxes, more spending. Against entitlement reform. Against free, open trade. Against muscular American leadership in the world.Against Israel. Against Wall Street.

    That’s Trump: right-wing progressive.

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    Kay says:

    @dmsilev:

    I didn’t really get it until I watched the video. It is scary. They go so wild when he orders people around. Trump has a huge gender gap even among GOP voters, so there’s a shocker.

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    raven says:

    @Baud: I think it’s a presser. I have the Gonzaga-St Mary’s game on the screen with sound.

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    LAO says:

    Rubio is having a horrible night.

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    dslak says:

    @Ready: And just a wee bit racist. Wonder which of those issues is helping him most among Republican primary voters?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @raven: Just got back from a blissfully US-politics-free week (almost week) in London, and I felt my blood pressure rising while walking under a TV screen in Logan Airport on my way to passport control. This shit is awful.

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    Baud says:

    @Ready: Good luck with that.

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    Ready says:

    @dslak:

    Trump is very much a result of liberals playing the race card for so long. You’ve called so many people racist falsely that nobody can tell when there’s a real, actual racist fascist about to take power. It’s a classic case of the boy who cried wolf. Are you proud of yourself?

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Ready: Go away.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @LAO:

    Do you think he’ll hang in until the FL primary next week, or get out while the getting is good?

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Lots of excitement on my FB page about Bernie getting three superdelegates from Vermont! Feel the Bern!!! Hillary is toast!

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    He’s biggest liability is that he’s kind of boring IMHO.

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    Cacti says:

    @Ready:

    Trump is very much a result of liberals playing the race card for so long. You’ve called so many people racist falsely that nobody can tell when there’s a real, actual racist fascist about to take power. It’s a classic case of the boy who cried wolf. Are you proud of yourself?

    We’re all laughing at you, not with you.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: Trump has said he will be a different person after he gets the nomination: more dignified, more gravitas, kinder gentler, iron fist in a velvet glove. He think he can change into what he wants to change into very easily. Let’s see how well he does.

    Though, I wonder why he chickened out of a debate with Sanders? Sanders was ready to mix it up with Trump. Trump says Sanders is sad and weak.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Michigan is called for Trump. The GOP has basically flung the kitchen sink at him and he won the 2 most consequential primaries tonight.

    I may have to skip the next debate, simply because I don’t want to see Sad Lil’ Marco, and watching Donald and Tailgunner Ted stomp all over each other is no fun. But it looks like the GOP is getting their worst nightmare come true.

    They fuckin’ deserve it.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I thought the super delegates were bad, bad, bad?

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    Kay says:

    @Ready:

    Okay, but isn’t it a problem that the leaders of the Republican Party can be so easily blindsided by their own voters?

    It’s basically proof positive that they’re out of touch. They had no clue! “Where did this PERSON come from that our voters love?” Come on. They know nothing about the people they supposedly represent. The fact that he’s winning makes that true.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Ready:
    Yeah, I remember my first beer. Take it slow and stay away from the car keys.

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    dslak says:

    @Ready: Looks like you didn’t get the memo this morning. Trump is now actually the fault of Al Franken, whom my sources inform me is not black.

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    dmsilev says:

    @PsiFighter37: When is the next dick-measuring contest, I mean GOP debate?

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    Elie says:

    @Ready:

    Ya know in nature, when a gene modification in a life form is lethal to its survival, nature takes care of it. There are spontaneous mutations all the time in human and other types of life. The laws of nature are pretty clear and when there is a non viable combination, the new life form dies. Trump sprung from the little mutations that your party underwent in the last 30-40 years. Time will tell but its quite likely that this may impact the survival of the Republicans as currently configured . Nature whittles away all traits that do not support survival.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Is Leahy one of them?

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    Baud says:

    Even if Hillary pulls ahead of Sanders in Michigan, I suspect it will be much closer than polls indicated. It will be interesting to see the post-primary analysis.

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    jl says:

    @dslak: Trump lives for all of our sins.

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    dmsilev says:

    @dslak: I thought Trump was Obama’s fault.

    Thanks, Obama.

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    Ready says:

    @Kay:

    Cruz consistently does better among “very conservative” voters and in closed primaries.

    A lot of these Trump voters are Buchananites and Peroistas, not Reaganite conservatives.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    Sweet babby Jeebus, this Trump, victory speech? Press conference? A rambling stream of non-stop self-aggrandizement.

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    Baud says:

    Trump has moved into his roast of the GOP.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Kay:

    Obama “won” women by 11 points in 2012 with 67% of single women choosing him over Romney. Clinton is winning women 2/1 in the primary. I predict she will increase Obama’s take by at least 3 points and possibly as many as 5, the percentage of women to men should go up a couple of points from 53% in 2012 as the total number of women voting in this election should also increase.

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    jl says:

    Trump still calling his for-profit higher ed scam a university. I thought it was Trump Institute now.

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    Ready says:

    I hate the media, constant Trump coverage. Trump rips off a fart and the media goes live. Typical liberal media bullshit. Cut away from his fucking speech already. Goddamnit.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    Trump is doing a subdued speech right now.

    Pretty sure those two words have never before appeared in the same sentence.

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    Anya says:

    Trump speech is incoherent and it’s “ME SUCCESSFUL!” “ME SELL STUFF!” “ME SUE PEOPLE!”

    Why is anyone voting for this narcissistic asshole. He never talks about the voters. It’s all about him and how he’s number one.

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    Baud says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I was grading on a curve.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    HRC up in Wayne cty MI now with 19% reporting, but behind statewide by 4 points.

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    starscream says:

    What explains the late Sanders surge in MI?

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    chopper says:

    @Ready:

    I didn’t expect your tears to taste this fucking delicious, but here we are.

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    jl says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    ” A rambling stream of non-stop self-aggrandizement. ”

    Like every Trump stumper I have listened to. New presidential candidate Trump same as old primary striver Trump. Just doesn’t yell as much. I guess we should listen to Castro, Chavez, Peron and Mussolini speeches to get ready for the Trump regime.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Anya:

    Authoritarians love that stuff.

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    Kay says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Trump is a bore. He talks about himself constantly.

    Clinton said the other night about Trump that he “won’t wear well” in the general and I think that’s true. Blah, blah, blah, me, me, me.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @starscream: Detroit and Flint are always the slowest to be counted.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Cacti: The right wing is always (1) lies and (2) projection

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Ready: Party of George Lincoln Rockwell, you fatuous turd.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @magurakurin:

    I thought the super delegates were bad, bad, bad?

    Yes, all except for those three!

    ETA: don’t know who they are. Frankly, don’t care!

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    amk says:

    can’t wait for the idiot racists vs fundie racists cage fight at the convention.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    @dmsilev: Thursday night!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Ultraviolet Thunder: Yeah, Bernie Sanders seems to be really overperforming in Michigan so far! Some of it could just be from urban districts reporting late, but in the polls he was way behind, right up to the end. Big sampling fail?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @dmsilev:

    When is the next dick-measuring contest, I mean GOP debate?

    If a serious question*, Thursday night, March 10. Bernie and Hillary tomorrow. Both debates from Miami.

    *(If not a serious question, my answer still stands.)

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    Kay says:

    @starscream:

    I don’t know but if both Trump and Sanders win in Michigan the narrative will be “trade, trade, trade” and that isn’t the best subject for Clinton going into Ohio.

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @divF: Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse, Betelgeuse!

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    dslak says:

    @starscream: Michiganders don’t want to join the list of states that don’t count.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @starscream:

    What explains the late Sanders surge in MI?

    Nothing apparently. It was very nice weather and a number of places are reporting higher than expected Dem turnout. That might make a difference, but not the difference between his +4% now and his -10% in the last poll.

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    Kay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I wonder if the youngs finally (actually) voted.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @starscream:

    The short answer is: we don’t really know and won’t know for several days.

    The ABC exit poll (take with salt!):

    Roughly four in 10 voters in Michigan say electability or experience are most important to their vote, a group among which Clinton’s dominated in the past. But six in 10 say honesty or empathy are most important, voters who’ve been more likely to support Sanders (especially “honesty” voters) to date. In Mississippi, honesty/empathy was closer in importance to electability/experience.

    Seven in 10 Democratic primary voters in Michigan would be satisfied with Sanders as the nominee, as would two-thirds with Clinton. (This question was not asked in Mississippi.)

    Clinton prevailed by wide margins, as usual, among voters focused on experience (winning eight in 10 in this group) and electability. A third put a priority on a candidate who “cares about people like me” and nearly three in 10 focused on honesty and trustworthiness. Sanders led in the former group – and by a wide margin, 4-1, in the latter.

    Eight in 10 voters in the Democratic contest in Michigan were more interested in an experienced candidate than in an outsider. But while Clinton has won nearly seven in 10 of that group across previous contests, her share in Michigan was smaller, just more than half.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Anya: The GOP base represents the highest concentration of assholes in the population, so I guess this is peak Trump. Can’t imagine this one-man circle jerk will fly in the general.

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    CaseyL says:

    These slow returns out of Michigan are making me nuts. But it’s for a good reason: turnout was off the charts. There weren’t enough ballots. How about that?

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    Detroit and Flint are always the slowest to be counted.

    And nothing yet from Kent County (Grand Rapids).

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    Goblue72 says:

    @the Conster, la Citoyenne: Keep up the condescension Boomers. You have absolutely no clue how much the winds are shifting. All we have Boomers to thank for is the Gingrich Revolution and Clintonian neo-liberalism. And 8 years of Bush.

    No youth vote, and Obama loses 2012. The youth vote was his entire margin of victory.

    Enjoy your Hillary vote. It’s the last Presidential election that Boomers will matter. Millenials are now all of voting age. Their numbers equal or exceed Boomers. And their issues are closer to Gen X priorities at this point as to find common cause.

    Keep your hippie punching. The “hippies” are all under 45. And we’ll outlast you on the actuarial chart.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    Non-candidate and black man Ben Carson beat Rubio in Missisiippi?!

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    amk says:

    walker/paul/christie/rubio/kasich.

    the list of candies bj’ers can bedwet over is getting shorter by the day.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    Is the Drumpfomercial over?

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    Baud says:

    Even Mississippi is still officially only at 15% counted.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Bernie doing better than expected in Michigan, but it’s a case of too little, too late.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Goblue72: The youth vote was his entire margin of victory.

    Got data for that?

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    magurakurin says:

    @Goblue72: you need a new act. This one is way stale.

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    Ultraviolet Thunder says:

    @Goblue72:
    That my epitaph or can I stay on this side of the sod a little longer?

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    dslak says:

    @Goblue72: The revolution is coming, but only the heads that offer their full consent will be placed upon pikes!

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    Baud says:

    New thread up.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Anniversary coming up next month, so I guess I get to face it quick.

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    Deecarda says:

    @Carolina Dave:
    I moved here from NE PA over 20 years ago, can’t imagine this rural area ever going blue. Patrick McHenry represents my neighboring district.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Goblue72:

    It’s the last Presidential election that Boomers will matter.

    Dude, the generation from before the Boomers is still voting. We’ll probably be a considerably less racist electorate when it’s just the Boomers we have to worry about.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Goblue72:

    And their issues are closer to Gen X priorities at this point as to find common cause.

    Gen X is conservative. Look it up. Jonah Goldberg is the median for my generation, not me — as a liberal, I’m a serious Gen X outlier.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Kay:

    Anecdotal isn’t data and I sure as hell do not want to pretend to speak for women* … all the women I know and have social media contact with (something over 300) ALL of them – including the admittedly few Republicans – despise Trump. Been in this game a long time and I’ve never seen such unanimity, it’s really weird.

    * my mommy didn’t raise no fool

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    magurakurin says:

    Sanders is doing well, but it won’t be enough. He should have spent the summer in churches and community centers all through the South and in the cities in the North instead of playing to his fans in all white venues like Portland, OR and Madison, WI. He might have won this.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Elie: Music was definitely one of the things that linked us, and I have embraced it anew.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @Goblue72: No black vote and Obama gets clobbered by Romney 510-28 in the Electoral College.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Mnemosyne: GenX is the Alex Keaton generation.

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    Kay says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Ugh. Just that barrage of words and it’s all self-aggrandizing and boastful.

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    Cacti says:

    @Goblue72:

    It’s the last Presidential election that Boomers will matter

    The oldest Boomers are turning 70 this year.

    How the bleeding hell will this be the last election that they matter?

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    dslak says:

    @Cacti: Bernie is going to make sure they they are “re-educated,” of course. Those who cannot learn will discover that they no longer take any interest in politics.

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    Mandalay says:

    Trump just now:

    Nobody’s more conservative than me on our veterans, who are being absolutely maligned.

    This garbage simply isn’t going to fly in the general election.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Ben Cisco: Ben, I’m reading a book that included a quote from C.S. Lewis. It touched me.

    “Bereavement is not the truncation of married love, but one of it’s regular stages – like the honeymoon. What we want is to live our marriage well and faithfully through that phase too”

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Goblue72: I assumed from your nym that you graduated from Michigan in ’72 and were an Old, but you said the other day that you are a Millenial. Was that actually the year that you were born? Just trying to keep track of everyone here. Well, not everyone–my semi-eidetic memory just isn’t what it used to be.

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    Ready says:

    We don’t need the “Trump tariff”, he needs to read Amity Shales. Tariffs will send us spiraling into a depression.

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    AliceBlue says:

    @Goblue72:
    Yeah, well, your music sucks!!!

    Seriously–what are you talking about? I’m 62 and my mother is still voting.

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    magurakurin says:

    I think Clinton is going to lose this in Michigan.

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    Cacti says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Born in ’72 would make him way too old to be a millennial.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    No black vote and Obama gets clobbered by Romney 510-28 in the Electoral College.

    And we thought the 15th Amendment wouldn’t come in handy!

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    hueyplong says:

    “Chris Matthews thinks…”

    When I see his name in print I can only “think” of two things:

    1. Flight suit

    2. Awkwardly un-self-aware misogyny.

    There is no third thing. He is unwatchable.

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    Cacti says:

    @magurakurin:

    I’m starting to think the same.

    And if she does win, it will be by the skin of her teeth.

    Polls were way off.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Cacti: So maybe that’s the number of virgins he’s getting? Math is hard.

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    Peale says:

    @Mandalay: you’d be surprised at the strength of that, though. It’s just common knowledge that Obama has been the hippy spitting on the troops. You know, he’s never met a wounded warrior or cared about a homeless vet, yet Kanye goes to the whitehouse and I tell you he wants to raise the minimum wage to more than soldiers pay-insulting. (Says my fb feed)

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @magurakurin:

    GenX is the Alex Keaton generation.

    For the record, I was all about Mallory

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    magurakurin says:

    @Cacti: way off.

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    hueyplong says:

    “No black vote and Obama gets clobbered by Romney 510-28 in the Electoral College.”

    Luckily for Obama and us, that election didn’t take place in 1852. Nor will this one, despite the best efforts of several state legislatures.

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    Kay says:

    @Ready:

    He’s duping GOP primary voters and the dopes in the Republican primary were too scared to call him out on it until it was too late. There isn’t going to be any Trump Tariff and there isn’t going to be any wall. He’s playing them for fools. The people in the GOP primary who want to be President of the United States were too intimidated to stand up to a real estate developer.

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    Cckids says:

    @Kay: Maybe it’s spring break?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Goblue72:

    It’s the last Presidential election that Boomers will matter.

    I think Boomers will be a significant demographic for another several cycles. I’m actually pre-Boomer (I believe I’m supposed to be “Silent Generation,” although hahaha to that!), and assuming I keep my health I anticipate voting at every opportunity and otherwise staying active in politics for another 15 years, anyhow. Boomers, depending on when they were born, can look forward to another 25-35 years, although their numbers will naturally diminish in the fullness of time.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    @Prescott Cactus: I had not considered that. Wise words, thank you for sharing them.

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    Peale says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: perhaps he’s thinking that four more years of either fascism under trump or something called neoliberalism under Clinton will cause mass casualties in the population and only millennial swill survive.

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    Cacti says:

    @magurakurin:

    Alot more of Wayne County came in and things just tightened up quite a bit. Sanders now up 2.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Big chunk of votes for Clinton reported in Wayne County… it’s really close now. Hillary may actually win it by a hair. It’s sure not going to reflect the late polling, in any event.

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    hueyplong says:

    For a while there, the “last boomer election” thing was giving off a Soylent Green vibe.

    Now it just looks like a math error.

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    Cacti says:

    Sanders at 15.7% in Mississippi with 49% reporting. In danger of getting 0 delegates for the contest.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Peale:

    millennial swill

    Promise me that wasn’t a typo.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Matt McIrvin: She’s getting beat by all the little county results where she is losing and by not winning by larger margins in the big city. Like you say, no matter what, polling was way off. Some hope for Sanders, I guess going forward, but not much really. He’s down to far to make it up with close wins. He needs full on blow outs to catch up and win. As I said, in retrospect he probably spent too much time in the summer talking to big crowds on college campuses. He should spent at least half of that time in churches in African-American communities.

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    Cacti says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Millennial swill?

    Me like.

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    dslak says:

    Millennial Swill is my favorite brand of kombucha.

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    magurakurin says:

    Close elections like this in Michigan are when I really am amazed that there are so many people who say “my vote doesn’t matter.” Clearly every vote is going to matter tonight in Michigan.

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    magurakurin says:

    It just occurred to me, but maybe John Cole jinxed Clinton yesterday with his post. I mean, anyone who loses jars of mustard like that….total fucking jinx, I’d reckon.

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    The exit polls are interesting. Only 52% of Michigan Democrats want Obama’s successor to continue his policies! I’m not as plugged into my state’s politics as I’d like to be, so I don’t know if it’s TPP, foreign policy, dissatisfaction with the state Democratic party or whatnot, but this is way lower than I ever expected. I hope it’s not a bad omen for November.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    At any rate, since these D primaries aren’t winner-take-all, regardless of who comes out on top Sanders is going to get more delegates out of Michigan than anyone thought. He got crushed in Mississippi as anyone could have predicted, but he can chalk up a good night in Michigan.

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    Kay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Whatever just happened there her campaign better get busy in Ohio. Sherrod Brown is supposedly pegged as her defender on trade so maybe he’s already talking to people about that. He would have more credibility on that than just about anyone.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @magurakurin: Since it’s a proportional primary, though, who wins the whole state actually doesn’t matter that much. Every vote matters in such a contest even if the primary were relatively lopsided.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Goblue72:

    All we have Boomers to thank for is the Gingrich Revolution and Clintonian neo-liberalism. And 8 years of Bush.

    That is an uncommonly stupid statement.

    You know how many Boomers (born 1946-1964) are now on the SCOTUS? 5
    You know how many of the reliably right wing justices on the SCOTUS are Boomers? 3. 3 of 9.

    The SCOTUS gave us Bush (not the Boomers) and it wasn’t the Boomers on the court that did it (Thomas was the only Boomer on the Court then).

    You know how many Presidents have been Boomers? 3
    You know how many Speakers of the House have been Boomers? 2
    You know how many Senate Majority Leaders have been Boomers? 3

    Yeah, the Boomers have all the power and get their kicks out of crapping on everyone else. (roll-eyes)

    The oldest Boomer is around 70. The youngest is around 52. The group includes Trump and Obama and Oprah and Conan. It’s not some homogeneous group that enjoys finding ways to piss you off.

    (sheesh)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Cacti says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    Both D candidates are +30k votes over Drumpf if that makes you feel better.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Kay: Yes, this is a bad sign for Clinton in Ohio, and probably Pennsylvania as well. March 15 is going to be very interesting now.

    And I wonder if the Sanders people on this blog take note that most of us pulling for Clinton aren’t getting pissy about her losing or near losing here in Michigan. And the reason is, that if Sanders somehow pulls a miracle and wins it all, we’ll just rally around him instead of Clinton. Most of the people here are all about winning in November. Please take note of that, thanks.

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    magurakurin says:

    @Matt McIrvin: I agree, a close win isn’t enough for Sanders in the delegate race. But it will drive his narrative hard…and it should hopefully cause the Clinton campaign to do some introspection and make adjustments accordingly.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Prediction: Bernie is going to do better than expected across the Rust Belt and if nothing else it will generate a million magazine articles of DOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMM.

    The Grauniad, emboldened by the freakish results of their search for Trump-supporting readers, just put out an explicit request trolling for Bernie fans who will vote for Trump if Hillary gets the nomination.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Since it’s a proportional primary, though, who wins the whole state actually doesn’t matter that much.

    I’ve been assured that the narrative is far more important than the delegate count

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    Thoroughly Pizzled says:

    @Cacti: I’m just paranoid. Seeing Rick Snyder get elected twice has done this to me.

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    Kay says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    They love the Trump/Sanders narrative. It goes to their enduring love for Reagan Democrats :)

    I like how the younger pundits picked right up on it.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Honestly, I voted for Clinton but I’m mostly just happy for Bernie Sanders here, and I hope that if people are voting for him out of general economic misery, it’s a message that gets heard and affects the campaign. And that they don’t then vote for Trump, that would be stupid.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Kay: Also, since it’s the Guardian, the general “Americans are baffling and irrational freaks” narrative.

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    Kay says:

    @magurakurin:

    I always said here that she was really strong in Ohio but most of that was based on ’08. It was true in ’08.

    It’s a weird election all across the board. If they’re hugely pissed off I’d rather they go to Sanders than Trump.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    If Sanders is winning Michigan because a third of African-Americans are voting for him (as some exit polls suggested), I find it unlikely they will jump to Trump.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Thoroughly Pizzled:

    I’m just paranoid. Seeing Rick Snyder get elected twice has done this to me.

    I’ll be in Michigan for most of April for bargaining so I will proselytize as much as possible in the low rent hotels, third rate restaurants, and dilapidated union halls I will be frequenting.

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    Wrb says:

    @efgoldman: that was riffing on Hillary’s PUMAs wo in 2008 Would call Obama “that inadequate black man”

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Cacti: Total Republican turnout is running over 150K ahead of total Democratic turnout, though, even though the Democratic race is closer. If you want a reason to feel bad.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Ben Cisco: You are welcome. The book is called “When Breath Becomes Air”. Suggested reading for 2017. It’s allowed me to get back into hospice volunteering.

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    Applejinx says:

    @Mnemosyne: Likewise. GenX ain’t that lefty, though we have the capacity for it.

    As for the why of Bernie winning Michigan: I’m gonna say ‘issues’, and trade as it applies to income inequality.

    Also: turnout turnout turnout! If Bernie only wins places where the turnout is unusually huge, that bodes well for the general. The words ‘polling place ran out of ballots’ says democracy, as it was intended to be practiced, to me! Trump is right to be scared. Turnout is what will defeat him!

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    Applejinx says:

    @magurakurin: Almost everybody in the Democratic party is in some way ‘Clinton people’. That means implementation. If Bernie wins everything, that means nothing without implementation. It’s an opportunity to deliver a huge symbolic victory, and then use that as political leverage to implement a swing to the left that means something.

    Bernie’s actual policy may not become law of the land at all. He can be the sail, the Democratic Party is the boat. It can reinvent itself to not totally fail to fit the sail, and the result will work (and be wildly popular, clearing the way for other non-Bernie-related victories)

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