CITIZEN: (at front door, peering at sackful of rats) Why did you bring me…this? pic.twitter.com/SwYGVfoGDM
— Big Sexy Jeb! Lund (@Mobute) March 7, 2016
my guy you can't even take it to people who *do* vote Republican pic.twitter.com/bMtOA12kBm
— brendan (@deep_beige) March 7, 2016
I laughed, because I am inadequately sensitive to the very real struggles of the rat-friendly community. Also:
That Republican insiders thought they could mold Marco Rubio into "our Obama" only proves how much they never stopped underestimating Obama.
— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) March 7, 2016
Apart from base japes, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
tybee
a bag full of rats ready for the fornication?
Elizabelle
Bloomberg takes self out of running (whoo). Says he realizes he would have just thrown the election to Donald Trump.
No sh*t, Sherlock.
Good evening, all.
p.a.
@Elizabelle: Cut him some slack- he’s smarter than Nader
Elizabelle
@p.a.: I give him credit for that.
Thank you, Michael.
gogol's wife
@Elizabelle:
Good news.
Ella in New Mexico
I just want to repeal the Goddamned 22nd Amendment so Obama can still be my President next year.
Bobby Thomson
@Elizabelle: actually, he more likely would have pulled Republican votes, and I’m sure his internal polling showed that. But it also showed he would lose badly, so this is a face saving exit.
redshirt
@Ella in New Mexico: Gosh I’d vote Obama for a 3rd term like 3 times over. Literally.
Adam L Silverman
Its not so much that they never stopped underestimating Obama, rather its they never stopped and tried to understand him, why he was an appealing candidate, why he laid out the domestic and foreign and security/defense policies and strategies that he did, and why, even when they were inconsistent or had to be modified for a variety of institutional or practical reasons, a majority of voters found him appealing – as candidate and as President.
To do that, however, would have meant giving up on the belief that he was both an unprepared, none too bright, naif and a scheming, conniving, clever as a fox, authoritarian with tyrannical impulses. And suggesting that the GOP establishment, GOP members of Congress, the GOP base do such a thing and actually engage with reality and the real President Obama is, unfortunately, crazy talk.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
I thought that the progressives were all mad at Obama for Selling Them Out!
Ultraviolet Thunder
Back from walkies. They say poodles are smart. Ours has an amazing ability to find the town’s muddiest puddle and transport half of it home on his person.
Tomorrow is open primary day. 538 gives my favored candidate a 99% chance of winning. I’m seriously considering finding the ratfuckin’est thing I could do the GOP and getting one of their ballots to do it.
Luthe
He did bring conservatism… to the good Republicans of Puerto Rico! Next stop, the nomination!
/snark
Smedley Darlington Prunebanks (formerly Mumphrey, et al.)
Took the kids and a neighbor kid and the dog for a walk in the woods. And out of all of us, I’m the only one who ended up sitting on his ass in a creek. In my defense, I was toting a three year old across the slippery stones at the time…
dr. bloor
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Yeah, I’m having a little trouble keeping up here.
p.a.
I was exposed to an interesting cultural phenomenon last night. Solo Jorma Kaukonen concert. I’m almost 57, and just my impression of the crowd that I would be somewhere on the left side of the audience age curve. So we’re watching a 75 year old man sitting on a chair playing acoustic blues, and the crowd was going nuts.
AgingAged hippies yelling in the middle of songs “PLAY IT MAN!” “YEAH THAT’S HOW IT’S DONE!” intersperced with “Will you people SHUT THE FUCK UP!”He took it all in stride so maybe it is normal for his fans, and I liked the energy, but I was a surprised.
jl
@Elizabelle: Just verified that on internet news aggregator. Whoo hoo! The field is clear on centrist doofus front.
I think each bag full of vicious rats should have a nice forever home, and the current mess of a GOP can take all of them, if they want to help.
Did the GOP establishment think that they could mold Rubio into their own Obama? I’ve read that Rubio is a lazy dude who thinks building a political organization consists of preening in front of money bags for their patronage, and having guys who guys in his organization knows buy lots of advertising. Saturday results give evidence for that. Trump roughly matched his poll numbers, and Cruz outperformed them, and Rubio woefully under-performed, even though he outspent everyone on ads. That is from a GOP hack kibbitzing I heard on news radio, so no links.
Edit: anyway, no sign of Obama work ethic and real interest in actual politics from Rubio. Maybe same for Jeb too, but he is political history now.
LAO
@redshirt: Funny, Bloomberg changed the rules and I voted for him 3 times. Caveat, I would not have voted for him for president.
Hildebrand
@Adam L Silverman: Nor did they ever try to understand why so many people voted for him twice. They actually think that we were hoodwinked into voting for Obama, or that we were driven by some knavish reason dealing with guilt or some-such twaddle. They never quite figured out that we voted ‘for’ Obama because he was so clearly the best choice – and we have been rewarded with one of the best presidencies of the last 50 years.
Roger Moore
@Elizabelle:
Translation: he can stop threatening to run now that it looks unlikely that Bernie will win the Democratic nomination.
msdc
Oh my god, is anyone else seeing the “Gadsden & Culpeper American Heritage Shoppe” banner ad across the top of the page?
It’s very… heritagey.
LAO
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Accordingto the earlier threads, are there really any progressives here? Just checking for a friend.
dedc79
@Elizabelle: Notable as well that while his announcement begins with some boiler plate Both Sides Do It nonsense, he eventually turns his fire on Trump and then Cruz:
hueyplong
I believe the official GOP line remains “Obama was never vetted.”
Hildebrand
@Ultraviolet Thunder: We are ready for the primary tomorrow – my wife is so unnerved by the foolishness this year that she is determined to vote even though she has a scheduled eye surgery tomorrow morning. “I can get to the bloody polls with one eye.”
WarMunchkin
@Ella in New Mexico: Thirded/Fourth’d.
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I am personally angry about continuing bombing of brown people and holding people without being charged. I recognize that the politics are not simple, and I’ve been engaged. That said, my goal isn’t simply closing Guantanamo, it’s getting rid of people like Ret. General John Kelly who argue that unlawfully detained people who fight back against their captors are committing assault and therefore deserve it or Rear Adm. Harry B. Harris Jr., who argued that detainees who commit suicide are doing so as an act of war against the United States. I want people to make the argument for closing Guantanamo and ending illegal detention in moralistic terms, not in realpolitik. Candidate Obama used to talk like that. I miss that guy. That said, I love Obama then and now. I’d vote for him a hundred times and crawl over broken glass etc. to do so again.
Does anyone have any books they could recommend about successful party building? Even at local or state levels.
jl
@dedc79:
The TPM story ended with two examples the prospective Bloomberg campaign’s slogans:
Bloomberg Rules Out Run For President
Aides also went so far as to draft campaign themes for his campaign, including slogans that included ““All Work and No Party,” and “Fix It,” according to The Times.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-bloomberg-wont-run-president
Edit: I guess someone would have noticed the campaign in the real world. The corporate media would have loved it.
Luthe
@Hildebrand: They think people voted for Obama because he promised/gave them free stuff. Because all Obama voters are lazy moochers who don’t pay taxes.
Ultraviolet Thunder
@p.a.:
We’re the same age and I assume had a lot of the same experiences. He has a kind of a podcast thingy going on if you didn’t know. I’ve heard a few on CBC and they’re good.
Baud
Funny how the website “randomly” goes down just as America is turning to hear the Baud! 2016! message.
They. Are. Ruthless.
p.a.
@Ultraviolet Thunder: tks for the headsup
p.a.
@Baud: Walk tall:you’re seen as a threat!
Baud
@p.a.:
They. Are. Scared.
They. Should. Be.
Baud
I am disappointed to hear that Hillary has agreed to join Bernie on the Fox stage.
LAO
Speaking of Rubio. That’s gotta sting.
Eta: link broken. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/07/politics/marco-rubio-campaign-weighs-getting-out/index.html
chopper
hey now, these bags full of rats won’t fuck themselves.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@WarMunchkin:
Isn’t getting rid of people like that retired general and the other mouth breather something for an outfit like the Weathermen? Because outside of that, you got no shot.
jl
@Baud: Don’t worry.Those two amateurs will be drowned out by Baud! 2016!’s silent strength, as usual.
Baud! 2016! doesn’t have to worry about giving long boring answers or pointing and yelling all the time. He’s got the political optics down.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@dr. bloor:
Am guessing that the real true progressives have turned upon their dime, and will lament the end of the final term of the guy they spent the last several years trashing.
Fight the power, man.
Ultimately, they’re contrarian and the mirror image of RWNJs as whiny ass titty babies.
Baud
@jl:
My plan is to prod Hillary and Bernie to engage in mutually assured destruction, while I prepare to rise out of the rubble. Last night’s debate was just the beginning.
chopper
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
yes, we may be thrown under obama’s bus, but at least it has decent wifi. i’ve been tweeting all day!
chopper
@Baud:
you have them right where you want them.
WarMunchkin
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I’m not a fan of using violence for political goals. And you’re right – I can’t remove these folks from power or force their resignations. But one thing I can do is join and encourage movements that seek to tighten the opinion corridor around matters involving torture and prisoner brutality so that future personnel have strong pressures to resign or be ashamed of holding those views. Their rhetoric is deeply offensive to me even after all of these years being desensitized to pro-torture views; it’s a shame that conservatives like Bill Kristol have argued that torture advocates are “criminalizing a policy difference”.
Mnemosyne
@WarMunchkin:
Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” has become a bit of a punchline, but it does still have a lot of good advice about coalition building and organizing grassroots supporters into a coherent force.
Ruviana
@Ultraviolet Thunder: Poodles used to be water-oriented retrievers. Yours brought the mud home on purpose.
jl
@Baud: The way Baud! 2016! is sneaking up on the front runners is a work of electoral art. No one is making noises about dropping out before further humiliation in your home state. No further humiliation can touch Baud! 2016!
Well done. One of the greatest triple bank shots in modern US political history. Jeb is jealous.
debbie
@Baud:
You don’t think she should?
Baud
@debbie:
I wish neither one would. Initially, she declined, but I guess it’s tough giving your opponent the stage all to himself.
Isobel
I will miss Obama as my president. All things considered, he has done an amazing job.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@WarMunchkin:
Then fucking see to it that your public faces have more message discipline if you want to be taken seriously. Fewer drum circles and giant puppets, no neck beards, no scraggly shit pubic facial hair. Put a muzzle on Alan Grayson. Diminish the emphasis on “occupying” to the point of firing up public encampments that draw homeless and mentally ill. Exclude the “Anarchy” fucktards, eschew drug use at events.
And for fuck’s sake, burn any sheet music with “Kumbaya” or “Day by Day” on it.
MattF
So, Rubio is nearly out, Bloomberg is out, Kasich is a zombie candidate– any Republican who has even a remote appearance of reasonableness is gone, baby, gone. What does that tell you about the Republican party?
Josh Marshall has an interesting theory– he agrees that the Republican base is frustrated, but not with economics or policy, or anything like that. They are frustrated because ‘establishment’ Republican politicians promised they would destroy Obama’s Presidency, but didn’t do it. Food for thought.
jl
@Baud: It will be interesting to see how badly Fox messes it up, or tries to sabotage them, or if they play it straight (and don’t mess it up? what are the chances of that?).
Archon
I genuinely believe that not honestly dealing with the historically awful Bush Presidency, combined with Obama’s election (and re-election) has caused a mass neurosis with base GOP voters.
To that end, GOP strategists trying to use rationality and reason to figure out what was going to appeal to their voters was a fool’s errand from the beginning. The Cruz/Trump (majority) flank of the GOP represent at core, irrational voters.
LAO
OT: Apparently Virginia is moving back to the electric chair because lethal injection drugs so difficult to obtain. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/virginia-votes-for-electric-chair-as-last-resort.html
Edited for clarity
WarMunchkin
@Mnemosyne: Thanks, I’ll check it out.
Does anyone have any good advice regarding the usefulness of a Kindle? I’ve always preferred real books, but urban life is starting to take its toll, and I might need something more compact.
Baud
@jl: Yes. Regardless of what liberals think about electability, Fox and other Republicans clearly see Bernie as the candidate they would prefer to face. But Fox also want to be seen as respectable to the Village. We’ll say how it all shakes out.
Prescott Cactus
@WarMunchkin:
Baud 2016 (sarcasm)
Kindle, Paperwhite can be read in sunlight and in a dark room. I was a full believer in the written word belonging on paper. Read one book on the brides Kindle and was converted
gogol's wife
@LAO:
Oh, and the electric chair works so well.
tybee
@WarMunchkin:
i just use a library.
schrodinger's cat
This song is from the movie Neerja. It might as well be written for Indian students today from Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU) and other places of higher learning who are showing tremendous courage in standing up to right wing goons. When it can land you in jail on spurious sedition charges.
Aankhen Milaye Darr Se:
See fear in the eye and not give in to it.
ETA: This song is shot at Xavier’s college in South Mumbai. Neerja was an alumna of Xavier’s.
I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet
@WarMunchkin: You can read Kindle books on your smartphone, to get an idea of what it’s like. The Paperwhite Kindle has lots of fans and is pretty cheap.
HTH.
Cheers,
Scott.
(Who has given Kindles as gifts, but doesn’t have one himself.)
Baud
@Prescott Cactus:
He said “successful” party building.
Iowa Old Lady
@WarMunchkin: I use my kindle a lot. If you want it just as a reading platform, don’t bother with the Fire. Get one of the simpler devices. They’re lighter and keep their charge longer.
LAO
@gogol’s wife: And it’s not barbaric at all.
Capri
@Adam L Silverman: Rubio knows – he can tell you that Obama knows EXACTLY what he is doing.
Mnemosyne
@WarMunchkin:
I love my Kindle Paperwhite. Love love love it. I can carry hundreds of books with me all at the same time. I can check ebooks out from the library and have them delivered directly to my Kindle. I can read the same books on my iDevices, too, and have everything sync up. It doesn’t make my bad wrists go numb the way a heavy paper book can. I still have plenty of paper books (more than I have room for, really), but I love my Kindle.
The one caveat is that if you do a lot of reading where you need to take notes, paper books are still better. But if you’re reading for fun, ebooks are awesome.
(If you don’t want to support the Amazon borg, the Barnes & Noble e-Ink readers are good, too, and there are other options as well. But the Kindle is still the iPhone of the e-reader world.)
Prescott Cactus
@tybee: You can get Kindle books from your local library. At your own home via your home WiFi. Free for 2 weeks around here.
MattF
@Capri: Rubio’s claims about Obama are only credible if you already hate and fear Obama. If not, they’re just cuckoo.
Prescott Cactus
@Baud:
I suspect if you threw a party it would be a success. That’s gotta count for something.
LAO
@Mnemosyne:
I use the nook app on my iPad. It’s fine. I had a nook device it was great. I do not support the Amazon Borg. It is very lonely.
p.a.
@WarMunchkin: I believe Project Gutenberg will download free books to kindle (I have an iPad so YMMV). One thing to be aware of with PG- translations from other languages may not be the best available.
redshirt
When I read that Amazon actually pulled versions of 1984 from Kindles I said “no thanks”.
Frankensteinbeck
@MattF:
That theory has been presented here several times. I know I subscribe to it. ‘Antiestablishment sentiment’ in the Republican side means ‘You promised to make an example of that uppity negro!’
Mnemosyne
@WarMunchkin:
The other Kindle caveat — it’s terrible for PDFs and magazines, so think about what kinds of materials you like to read when making a decision.
ThresherK
Well, I’ve been sick of hearing about Ste. Nancy for about 20 hours. Yourselves?
Mnemosyne
@LAO:
In my defense, I got a Kindle before the full awfulness of the Amazon Borg was known, and now I have too many ebooks to be able to switch. It would be nice to have a non-evil alternative, though.
Just Some Fuckhead
This is my thought every time I hear Republicans complain they coulda won a general election with a “real conservative”. The “real conservative” can’t even win a Republican primary.
Phylllis
@WarMunchkin: I have a 1st gen Kindle and love it.
redshirt
@Mnemosyne: This is also one of my fears – that books become format dependent. You can read it on an Amazon device but not an Apple.
Danger!
p.a.
@Baud:
If I disagree will I ruin my chances at a patronage job? Fux doesn’t want to be seen as respectable, it wants to, and has succeeded at, intimidating the Village into ignoring its un-respectability.
kc
How come when you scroll to the bottom of the front page here and click on “next page,” it just makes the first page really long?
LAO
@Mnemosyne: No judgment. Most people think I’m nuts. I won’t in shop in target. It sucks.
Mnemosyne
@redshirt:
If you have a Mac, there’s a program called Calibre that helps you switch ebooks from one format to another — IIRC, Amazon’s format is based Mobi (so the Kindle can read Mobi files directly) and B&N uses ePub.
tybee
@Prescott Cactus:
i simply like dead tree books.
goblue72
@WarMunchkin: This is the book that hard right-wing activists used as part of their successful takeover of the Republican Party and of the country.
Ironically.
FlyingToaster
@LAO: Oddly enough, where I live, the Target runs to nice. Woefully understocked (as any Target reachable by a bus line will be), but nice.
The Home Depot across the street, however, is a horrorshow. Why, oh why did Ann&Hope go out of business?
jl
@kc:
” How come when you scroll to the bottom of the front page here and click on “next page,” it just makes the first page really long? ”
A BJ blog psyche. Tunch is chuckling to himself cozily tucked away in his occultation.
TaMara (BHF)
@MattF:
This is what I’ve thought for a long time. They were promised aca repeal, Obama impeachment,and where is their Whitey tape? What they got was healthcare, gay marriage and terrific economy. The fact the President has succeeded and made the GOP look like a bunch of whiny ass babies infuriates the base. And they are going to burn down it all down because of it.
Walker
@redshirt:
That is not true. There is a Kindle app on the iPad.
The problem with Kindle is the format limitations. Are you buying a book with interior artwork (or even just a fantasy book with a map)? Hope you like an illegible low resolution.
LAO
@FlyingToaster: I’m crazy. As long as I can afford it, I won’t spend my money at businesses that don’t treat their workers fairly. But, when I say no judgment, I mean that, I understand that not everyone is in the same position as I am. My mom loves Target and both of my sister-in-laws basically live there.
Mike in NC
@ThresherK: “Nancy Reagan: Greatest American or Great American?”
/ MSM
Betty Cracker
I know I should be rooting for Rubio to win the FL GOP primary to drag the race out further, but I’m just not up to the task. I can’t abide that arrogant little shit and will be secretly glad if Trump kicks his ass.
eemom
@ThresherK:
omg, it ain’t nothing compared to when Reagan kicked it in 2004. That was some serious In.Your.Face.24/7 shit. I usually disapprove of facile comparisons to North Korea, but in that case, well…..
LAO
@Betty Cracker: If he even stays in the race. I’m betting he drops out after Michigan.
goblue72
@WarMunchkin: This book by Randy Shaw (experience activist in San Francisco and Executive Director of the Tenderloin Housing Clinic) is a good primer. Less focused on political party building and more on social change activism, though.
goblue72
@WarMunchkin: My bad – I forgot that Randy has published an updated version – here.
Chyron HR
@eemom:
Dallas newspaper headline: “REAGAN’S FINAL JOURNEY”
Me: “To Hell?”
goblue72
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Keep punching those hippies.
redshirt
@goblue72: Who’s image is favored now?
Gin & Tonic
@Mnemosyne: Seems to me that Kindle books are more expensive than they were at first. Am I wrong? Now it seems there’s barely any difference between the physical price and the Kindle price.. And somehow the cynic in me assumes that the authors aren’t getting a bigger piece of the pie.
gwangung
@Mnemosyne: Yup. And there are tools to extract DRM from various formats. Half my library are Kindle books converted to ePub format.
goblue72
@redshirt: Thanks grandma. Keep punching those hippies.
WarMunchkin
@goblue72: That looks interesting, but I’m less interested in the protest/petition route and more interest in bringing in votes. I get that they’re related. Do you know of any books written by successful party chairs of cities, towns or states (or national chairs, I guess). I guess I could start with Tammany Hall, but that seems a little bit awful.
goblue72
@WarMunchkin: And this analysis in ProPublica is actually a pretty good analysis of how state Democrats in California took a seemingly “non-partisan” redistricting process and bent it to achieve pro-Democratic Party gerrymandering by doing what Democrats used to do all the time – fight dirty.
It also points to how important it is to focus on seemingly boring and “not as important” PROCESS issues in order to achieve the political power to accomplish tangible policy outcomes that we want to see happen.
Roger Moore
@WarMunchkin:
I use a general-purpose tablet with the Kindle app rather than one of the ebook only versions, and I love it. It’s nice because you can get the apps from several different vendors and switch from Amazon to Google to Barnes and Nobel if you choose. I find it just as easy to read on a tablet as from a book; easier sometimes because some books are heavy enough to tire my arm out if I hold them for hours and hours. I can take a whole shelf full of books with me wherever I go. There are also nice features, like being able to highlight a term and get a dictionary definition or look it up on Wikipedia, or being able to buy the sequel as soon as I’m done with the first book. And with a general purpose tablet, I can do other things as well as just reading.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
I watched the Fox Town Hall. Possibly the first time in my life, apart from a couple of GOP debates, that I have willingly and voluntarily streamed Fox. That said, they were not on stage together. Bernie went first. They were both good, and reinforced my strong belief that I could and would vote for either one of them without hesitation in the general election.
Bernie had one especially fine moment (which was warmly and enthusiastically received) when Bret Bauer asked him “Where do people get the ‘right’ to health care?” and without missing a beat, Bernie said “Because they’re human beings.”
I still came away preferring Hillary, but if Senator Sanders somehow ends up the nominee (which I don’t think at all is going to happen) I will be proud to work and vote for him.
I’m glad they both agreed to do this gig. The more opportunities they both have to articulate their views, the better for all of us.
redshirt
@goblue72: That’s not very nice.
I thought we were all cool here?
SiubhanDuinne
@chopper:
All part of the Master Plan.
Baud
@SiubhanDuinne:
I didn’t realize it had happened already. I thought it was a prime time event. Glad it went well. And good answer by Bernie.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@goblue72:
They were always fucking stupid and need reality beaten into them.
nutella
@LAO:
Hey, there are at least three of us! You, me, and redshirt.
rikyrah
@Adam L Silverman:
He was a Black man, who had HUSSEIN in his name…
and he got ELECTED
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
That he’s smarter than all of them…
they never could give into that.
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne:
It’s an Open Source program, so it’s available on Windows and Linux, too.
Linnaeus
@WarMunchkin:
I use a Nook HD+ (which is no longer made) and I generally like it – I use it mostly for online newspaper reading and library e-book reading. Occasionally I’ll watch a movie on it.
I only have a few purchased e-books on it. I’m concerned about what will happen when my Nook is no longer current or if Barnes & Noble decides that my “license” to read the books I’ve bought is terminated.
Steve in the ATL
So, did anyone else have tickets for AC/DC? The rest of their tour, including the all-important Atlanta show tomorrow night, has been postponed because of possible catastrophic hearing loss with the lead singer.
Will he have to go back to Australia to get his socialized health care?
goblue72
@WarMunchkin: Yeah – saw that was your specific request. Wasn’t ignoring it. Just not as familiar with written literature on political party building – especially from the Left. One consequence of the Boomer Generation has been a disdain for institutions – both from the Left and the Right – it is, if anything, one of the key generational attributes of the Boomer, aka “Me” Generation. As such, a lot of the social activism – and its attendant literature – from the left over the last 30 plus years have been from the social activism perspective outside of political parties and labor unions.
But we certainly could use one. Almost like we need a “Handbook on How to Take Over your local Democratic Ward Committee?”
Though in a lot of wards these days, all you need to do is show up. It really is a key challenge – that is, getting Democratic voters & activists – and progressive activists in general – interested in state level politics.
One of the Kays who posts here is fairly active in Ohio state politics – and with a good sense from what I can tell with the nuts and bolts of grassroots level party organizing and with what “Democrats on the street” are looking for vs. “what the elites in DC think”. Maybe she has some recommendations.
jl
@Betty Cracker: You might like this
Rubio camp attacks poor Wolfe B on air for horrible irresponsible tragic and just really bad horrible no good reporting that Rubio campaign a mess.
CNN: Some Of Rubio’s Aides Are Suggesting He Drop Out Before Florida
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rubio-aides-suggesting-drop-out-florida
Iowa Old Lady
@Gin & Tonic: Re the price of e-books, for a while Amazon set the prices low so the books would sell, that being Amazon’s only concern. But publishers won some sort of suit (anti-trust? IANAL) and now set the prices themselves. They make more on the hard cover or paperback and are not interested in undercutting their own profits. At least that’s my understanding of why e-book prices are now higher.
goblue72
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: And that statement right there is why I repeatedly criticize a lot of you as not actual progressives. Because you ain’t. You’re just cheerleaders for “your team”.
pseudonymous in nc
@Steve in the ATL:
Um, he’s British.
Steve in the ATL
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Whoa now–let’s not throw out the midwife-born, free range baby with the flouride-free, seldom-used bathwater. “Day by Day” still holds up.
pseudonymous in nc
That reminds me: is the pie filter working for the new design? I could do with the textual equivalent of total hearing loss for some people here.
Steve in the ATL
@pseudonymous in nc: So…no?
Doesn’t he live in Australia with the rest of the band? My subscription to “Tiger Beat” ran out so I’m not up on all the news.
Linnaeus
@pseudonymous in nc:
And lives in Florida, IIRC.
WarMunchkin
@goblue72:
Yup. That’s the book I want. What can I say? Andrew Cuomo has inspired me to throw him out. (grumbles)
There’s more than one?
LAO
@nutella:
Excellent. It was lonely.
Roger Moore
@MattF:
I think it ties in with his “crazy debt” theory very nicely. If it were just a matter of losing an election and having the Democrats in charge for a while longer, that would be one thing, but the Republicans have been making wilder and wilder accusations about how terrible the Democrats are. When you tell people Obama is going to destroy our way of life and then cut deals with him, you shouldn’t be surprised when the people who believe your lies see you as a traitor and demand somebody different. You can’t sell politics as total war to the base, continue making deals, and not expect consequences.
Calouste
@Steve in the ATL: IIRC, none of the current members of AC/DC live in Australia, or were even born there.
Keith G
@WarMunchkin:
I was going to suggest you find some of the books by Theda Skocpol, since that is in her wheelhouse.
You might want to get acquainted with her thinking by spending an hour with this very cool and informative interview.
While you are searching for a book or two, use this as an intro of sorts:The Koch Effect: The Impact of a Cadre-Led Network on American Politics
Edit….I see from later comments that you are interested in the practical application and not the theoretical overview, so Theda would not be where to start.
Ruckus
@pseudonymous in nc:
Yes, yes the pie filter works. I wish it would just insert something like 2 or 3 forward slashes or something instead of text but text about pie is still better than several of the commenters.
I wonder if anyone has pied me? Oh well, no matter.
SiubhanDuinne
@Walker:
If you click on a map or genealogical chart or illustration in any book in the Kindle iPad app, the image will increase to full size, from which point you can easily do whatever-the-opposite-of-pinch* is, to embiggen it and focus in on detail. When you want to return to text, just tap the X in the upper RH corner.
* (I’m sure there’s a proper term for it, but “spread” doesn’t sound quite right.)
Gin & Tonic
@WarMunchkin: Book? Get a larger group to show up, every time. Pretty simple.
jl
@Roger Moore: I liked Marshall’s analysis. If the GOP had good business people working for them, like Marshall does, they would have adjusted their primary base political working capital to account for the build up of outrage and crazy from their disinformation and propaganda machine. Their primary base contains a huge working capital debt of frustration, anger and feelings of betrayal.
The Trump phenom shows that the GOP base is still focused on the traditional scapegoats targeted by the GOP. I would chalk it all down to racism and bigotry, but maybe that is only 50 or 60 percent of it. Maybe. (Edit: I am feeling charitable today, and my estimated may be on the low side. But wishful thinking and simple childishness must play a big role too).
redshirt
@Calouste: I was wondering about the greatest Australian musicians.
1. AC/DC
2. Crowded House
3. INXS
4. Men at Work
5. Midnight Oil
SiubhanDuinne
@Gin & Tonic:
We should put that question to some of the many published authors who frequent this joint. Or maybe suggest that TaMara might want to devote one of her “author blog posts” to discussion of author compensation.
LAO
Holy smoly, if Florida didn’t exist, we’d have to invent it. http://gawker.com/canada-denies-entry-to-blood-drinking-libertarian-senat-1763406073
Roger Moore
@goblue72:
It’s not obvious how successful they really were, though. The Democrats barely picked up any seats after redistricting, which they should have been able to do if they were really working the system effectively. My impression is that they were able to tweak things around the edges, but that the Democrats in California are naturally packed, so only a really drastic gerrymander would have given them much electoral benefit.
Steve in the ATL
@Calouste:
My whole life has been a lie.
Keith G
@WarMunchkin: This is the missing link to the poli sci interview.
SiubhanDuinne
@Baud:
Yeah, it was an odd time, 6:00-7:00 p.m. Eastern. It’s scheduled to be repeated tonight beginning at 11:00 p.m. EST, so maybe you can catch it then.
redshirt
Never forget that HYDRA still exists.
Betty Cracker
@jl: Haha, that’s awesome. One reason I’d like to see him get curb-stomped is so he won’t get any big ideas about running for governor. He won his senate seat in a three-way race with less than 50%, so it’s not like he has some huge base of support outside Miami-Dade.
Steve in the ATL
@redshirt:
Hoodoo Gurus???
Church???
It’s like you’re ignoring my college band’s playlist!
Also, if you are going by revenue, the Wiggles are #2.
Honorable mention for the Easybeats, big brother George young’s band.
And why didn’t the Sports make it big? They had all the right ingredients. “Who Listens to the Radio?” was a great early 80’s power pop song.
Calouste
@redshirt: Greatest or most successful?
In the latter category you’re missing at least the BeeGees and Kylie Minogue.
Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant)
@pseudonymous in nc: Troll-b-gone is fully functional.
Felanius Kootea
@goblue72: Damn! I was certainly fooled into thinking we now had a non-partisan redistricting process.
Iowa Old Lady
@SiubhanDuinne: The writer usually gets a percentage of the list price, so s/he should get more if the book sells for more.
Roger Moore
@Ruckus:
I think there’s a setting where you can just have the offending text replaced with a big “Redacted”.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Good christ, I turned on the Hayes show to see Tweety’s farewell to Downton Abbey. A world he can’t quite believe isn’t real, because it’s so purdy.
jl
@Betty Cracker:
“[Rubio] won his senate seat in a three-way race with less than 50%, so it’s not like he has some huge base of support outside Miami-Dade.”
That explains a lot about his national political career, such as it is.
Iowa Old Lady
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: I usually try to catch Hayes online the next day, but his show hasn’t been updated since last Wednesday.
Steeplejack
@WarMunchkin:
Although I am a serious bibliophile, I am a fan of e-readers, specifically the ones with black-and-white E Ink displays, e.g., Kindle Paperwhite or Nook GlowLight. I have a Nook, my brother has a Kindle. They’re about the same, although you will have to pay a little more to get a Kindle that doesn’t have advertisements. (But I think those are not invasive; they show up only on the wallpaper/sign-in screen. Someone can check me on this.) I have seen very few books that are available for the Kindle that aren’t available for the Nook. (The exceptions are usually from tiny independent presses.) Book prices are usually identical.
The (huge) advantage of the E Ink models is that the black-and-white display is very readable in all lighting conditions and is easy on the eyes. Some E Ink readers come with a backlight for reading in the dark or very low light (very useful). As others have mentioned, you can download the Kindle app (or Nook app) for your tablet, smart phone or computer if you want to test-drive the navigation/formatting experience (although you won’t get the paper-like E Ink tech, of course).
Although I love paper books, I have become an e-reader convert because I read a lot of crime fiction, some science fiction and a fair amount of pop psychology and current affairs—all genres where I typically don’t need or want to keep the physical book forever after I’ve read it. I still buy paper copies of “classics” or favorite books that I do want to have a physical copy of. But it’s nice to let the book lust run free without adding to the household baggage.
Another nice thing about e-readers is the instant availability of books. I can read a review or recommendation of a book on line or in a magazine, fire up the Nook and purchase it immediately. And there have been times when I have finished a book in a series late at night and downloaded the next one to start on immediately. No waiting around to go to the bookstore (and possibly find that it’s out of stock). I binge-read Richard Stark’s Parker novels like that a few years ago.
And if you like to read new (recently published) books, e-book prices are considerably less than hardback prices, down around trade-paperback prices.
The only thing I am leery about with e-readers is cookbooks and books with illustrations. Both Nook and Kindle have had varying success—and some problems—with those. Usually you can check the reader comments at Amazon to see what previous buyers say.
As others have noted, you can get e-books from many libraries now, and I will point out that Project Gutenberg has many thousands of public domain books available in several e-book formats. I cruise through there to find old mystery novels.
Finally, e-readers are a godsend for readers with vision problems, because you can change the formatting of the text to make the print bigger for older or less than perfect eyes. (You can also change fonts, line spacing and margins.)
SiubhanDuinne
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
This sounds like something we need to let Ken Burns know about.
goblue72
@WarMunchkin: I thought there was a Kay and maybe “Kay, the Other One” or something.
goblue72
@Felanius Kootea: Really? (Serious question.)
FlipYrWhig
@redshirt: Midnight Oil should be on top. And you forgot the Bee Gees!
Mike J
@WarMunchkin: The best thing you can do if you want to bring in voters is to become a precinct captain for the local Democratic party. Note that if you’re volunteering for the party, you have to support the party’s candidates even if you don’t like them. But that’s kind of what being in a party means.
As a precinct captain you’ll get the voter roll for your precinct. You’ll know who is registered as a Dem, who is a Republican, and who isn’t either. Then you’ll go knock on doors and talk to people, throw a coffee at your house and talk to people, swing by every yard sale and high school football game and talk to people. You’ll spend a lot of time talking to registered Dems, but you’ll also talk to the independents. Come election day, you’ll make sure that your solid Dem and lean Dem voters either have a way to get to the polls or get their mail in ballots returned.
This is the front line. You will be the Sgt in the war movie who gets his troops moving in the right direction, and you’ll learn that some people just need to be told once, some people need to be sweet talked (no, you don’t get to threaten like the sgt in the movie.) You can look at the results for your precinct election night and have a good idea who the people on each side of that 562-371 outcome were. And then you get somebody to handle the precinct next door.
Keith G
@jl:
But which GOP?
There is a rump of the old party establishment (the type of folks exemplified by the Trent Lotts and Mitt Romneys), but now there is also the shadow party funded by the Koch Brothers. The establishment run the mechanics of the elective process as well as think a wee bit about governance. The Koch shadow GOP is the force pulling things further rightward – past the point where there are sufficient voters in a national election to support their dreams.
So within this barrel of vipers and competing GOPs, who can actually adjust what?
FlipYrWhig
@Steve in the ATL: I thought The Church were from New Zealand.
debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
…without having the other person distort them.
Steve in the ATL
@FlipYrWhig: No, you’re thinking of Flight of the Conchords!
Felanius Kootea
I love this; people naturalizing in time for November: More Latinos Seek Citizenship to Vote Against Trump (New York Times link).
jl
@Keith G: Nobody can actually adjust nothing? I guess that is it. They have been getting by on what works from one month to the next for years now. It is just on public display and can’t be denied (except by the corporate media, of course).
Frankensteinbeck
@Iowa Old Lady:
There is an accusation floating around in the Disgruntled Author Population that the big 6 legacy publishers have insisted on ebook prices equal to or higher than paper prices because they are trying to slow down the ebook market as much as possible. The legacy publishers are pretty retrograde, outsourcing everything difficult, chasing fads, and relying on their near-monopoly on bookstore sales. Without psychic powers we don’t really know what’s they’re thinking, but there’s no question that ebooks have dropped the barrier of entry for small publishers, and the legacy publishers are not winning that competition.
Sad_Dem
@Luthe:
That’s really what they think. Too bad (not really) R-money got caught saying it. I had a Facebook argument with a wingnut who was very angry that about 47% of Americans pay no income tax. I did a few minutes of simple research–U.S. population percentages of retirees, children, disabled, and unemployed–and presto, it added up to about 47%. I don’t think I helped him be less angry–it’s still those people, after all, who are pocketing his income tax contributions.
SiubhanDuinne
@goblue72:
Isn’t there a commenter who goes by the handle of “Kay (not the front-pager)”?
Iowa Old Lady
@Frankensteinbeck: I was hoping you’d check what I said and add to it. This is more or less what I heard through the author grapevine too.
MomSense
Kid came home with a re-issue of a ’54 Strat. He’s playing Hendrix LOUDLY and the dog is howling.
For the book people, University of Chicago Press offers a free e-book every month. Some interesting titles.
Steeplejack
@Roger Moore:
This is true. I have an Android tablet (Nexus 7), but I got an E Ink Nook because I am a voracious enough reader that I wanted the black-and-white E Ink display. And my Nook is even lighter than the tablet and holds a charge for weeks vs. hours. I do occasionally read on my tablet or even on my Android phone (e.g., dentist’s waiting room).
dr. bloor
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Oh, for the good old days of screwing the help (literally and figuratively), just because, and contracting polio.
Steve in the ATL
@MomSense:
Nice! I have the ’57 reissue in seafoam green.
You continue to be one of my favorite posters.
JPL
@MomSense: lol Someday you will miss those days.
Mike J
@Frankensteinbeck: It irks me that one of my favorite authors constantly tweets with glee about everything bad in the ebook world. He was jumping for joy when stats came out that paper sales were rising while ebooks were flat or fell. Then word came that most of the increase in paper books was from color books marketed to adults. Not particularly good news for lovers of dead trees. I saw another wag on twitter suggest that perhaps they could get fans of adult coloring books to try story books for adults someday.
goblue72
@Mike J: What Mike J said. I’d also add that you might look to your County Democratic Central Committee for avenues to get involved. If you live in a big city, there’s probably a local Central Committee (along with a local Ward) to get involved with. But if you are in a small town/suburb or unincorporated part of your county, you might find your local Democratic party organization sparse to non-existent. In which case, plugging into the County committee is where’d you’d find organizing opportunities.
That can also be the case if you live in a big city where the Democratic Party has such a huge advantage, that Democrats always win (places like NYC, Boston, etc.). If that’s the case, I’d recommend also looking at you County Committee (or, if you county and your big Democratic city are basically the same thing, to a County committee for a county nearby). Those folks are the ones fighting to win in swing districts.
Alternatively – if you are in one of those Big Blue areas, volunteer with your local Democratic party to work to weed out any deadwood and push your local party apparatus in a more progressive/populist direction and/or push them to take seriously appealing to Milllenials. Almost all Millenials will now be of voting age for the 2016 elections. Someone born in 1998 is 18 years old in 2016. Millennial will form a potential voter block (in terms of raw number eligible to vote) that is large as the Boomers. Now, they aren’t currently turning out at same rates – that’s nothing new as far as younger voters – but as they age, they will vote at higher and higher rates. And appealing to their issue TODAY will help cement their voting preferences as they age. That is a critical project for the Party.
NotMax
Pfeh. Vog is hanging in the air so thick today that the view of the West Maui mountains is totally obscured. Was planning to mow the entire property but shall be doing only the part abutting the street, where the grass is approaching knee high in spots. Don’t want to be breathing in that stuff for too long.
Steeplejack
@Linnaeus:
You can use Calibre or another program to convert your Nook-format books to a generic format. But I see it as a low-risk problem right now.
Amir Khalid
@Steve in the ATL:
Per his Wikipedia article, Angus Young maintains homes in the UK, Australia and the Netherlands. So he lives at least part of the year Down Under. And If I’m not mistaken, Malcolm Young was hospitalised for his dementia in Australia.
Jeffro
@dedc79: switching from Hamilton lyrics in the last thread to Wicked ones here… I couldn’t be happier !
A Bloomberg run was some of my Republican friends and relatives’ last hope…I think I will wait until tomorrow to check in with them though, to let it simmer a while
Mmm mm good !!
goblue72
@SiubhanDuinne: That might be who I am thinking of. Could have sworn more than one Kay. The Kay in Ohio is the one I’d recommend asking for advice. From her posts, she’s pretty active at the state politics level and though critically about what works, what doesn’t, what Establishment Dems fail to grok, etc. Her FP posts were fairly interesting. She also seemed to have some connection to organized labor, which was refreshing.
Steeplejack
@Iowa Old Lady:
I would say e-book prices are roughly on a par with trade paperback prices. I notice it mostly when I buy a newly published book for which in years past I would have had to wait months or a year for the paperback to come out.
MomSense
@Steve in the ATL:
The seafoam is cool! What kind of music do you play?
My kid went with the classic sunburst. It had a scratch on the back so the price was right.
@JPL:
That’s what I keep telling myself! I really will though.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Sort of like “Be Clean for Gene” for 2016.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
Are you (or the kid) a John Hiatt fan by any chance?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Capri:
Again, and Again, and Again…
Steeplejack
@Steve in the ATL:
Possibly not to everyone’s taste, but . . . Olivia Newton-John, Kylie Minogue.
Iowa Old Lady
@Steeplejack: That’s probably about right. I have to grit my teeth to pay more than $10 for an e-book though.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mnemosyne:
Or you could get a Android or Windows tablet and use the Kindle app on that.
Steve in the ATL
@MomSense: On the electrics, the span from British Invasion to ’80’s progressive (REM, Guadalcanal Diary, Plimsouls, Cure, et al). Then real life intervened. Don’t think I can play a single tune more recent than 1992.
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: “Slow Turning” is one of favorites, but he’s a great songwriter.
Eric U.
@MomSense: at least nobody set it on fire. There are a lot of starburst Fenders out there that have been set on fire because Hendrix did it.
MomSense
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
I’m going to check him out. Any suggestions? My kid is a blues guitarist.
Immanentize
@gogol’s wife: I may be in a minority here of people who have been in the viewing room both for the electric chain (Georgia) and for lethal injection (Texas). I know I am being completely selfish, but from my perspective lethal injection, regardless how utterly eff-ed up inhuman and flawed it is; is three friggity eff fracking thousand percent better than being fried in Edison’s promo seat.
Steve in the ATL
@Steeplejack:
But you can’t deny their commercial success. As opposed to, say, Perth’s Eurogliders, or Sydney’s Divinyls, who had one medium size hit each and a smaller one or two.
And I mention Eurogliders only because I have a friend in Perth
NotMax
@MomSense
John Lee Hooker.
Steeplejack
@Iowa Old Lady:
Yes, it’s tough, but I remind myself that (for a new book) I’m getting the equivalent of a hardback, which I never used to let myself buy, and that I’m getting the book “forever” with no wear and tear and no extra clutter in the house. Cold comfort, but some comfort.
ETA: I’m also hoping that e-books will mean that books never go out of print. There are many relatively recent books that are out of print, but with e-books you don’t have to schedule an expensive new print run or warehouse books that don’t sell a lot.
PIGL
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: You know what? Fuck off, you supercilious, condescending prick. Just fuck right off, and stay fucked.
Steve in the ATL
@MomSense: Hiatt is more country. If he likes blues rock rather than pure blues, then stuff like Yardbirds, Them, early to mid period Stones are all good. Pure blues may be tough to pull off for white kid in New England, but a good current act to check out would be North Mississippi Allstars.
Steeplejack
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Well, you still have to support the Amazon Borg when you buy books for the Kindle (unless you limit yourself to free or public-domain books).
MomSense
@Steve in the ATL:
Well at least you are in the latter half of the 20th century. I have friends who play early music so we spend many days immersed in the sounds of the 16 and 1700s. If you appreciate the art of stringed instruments you should check them out.
@Eric U.:
We are strictly anti fire in this house! I have tindrawn the line somewhere.
Roger Moore
@Steeplejack:
I might have been turned off from the ebook only Kindles by my purchase of a 1st generation Kindle DX, which had good but not great battery life. More specifically, it had really impressive standby time, and it could show the same page forever because of the e-ink screen, but it seemed to use a lot of power each time you flipped a page. That meant reading per charge was defined in terms of pages read rather than time read. Since I’m a relatively fast reader, I didn’t get a whole lot better battery life from the Kindle than I did from an equally large general-purpose tablet (which uses most of its power for the screen). For me, that made the tablet a better overall choice, and I never bothered to replace the Kindle.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MomSense: He’s got a song called “Perfectly Good Guitars” including the lyrics
And I’ll skip the next line out of respect…
He’s probably best known for Bonnie Raitt’s cover of “Thing Called Love”. I’m really bad about identifying genres but I would say he’s Americana-rock that comes out of a Blues tradition. I think my favorite of his songs, right now, is Buffalo River Home.
MomSense
@NotMax:
One of my favorites. Have you ever listened to Junior Wells? Hoodoo Man Blues is perfection.
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@Steve in the ATL: As I learned on Jeopardy last week, the first Australisn to have a number one in the US was Helen Reddy
Steve in the ATL
@MomSense:
I don’t appreciate that very much, but thanks anyway! My uncle Bill (whom some of you know) has a harpsichord in his collection but it’s not my taste.
Also if lighting a guitar on fire is not an option, I’ve seen one cut in half with a chain saw on stage (any Tav Falco fans out there?). And later duct-taped together and played again.
Immanentize
@MomSense: my blues God: Snooks England. I saw him three times at Antone’s in Austin. Always by far the best performances.
Steve in the ATL
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: Suzy Bogguss had a minor hit in the 90’s with “Drive South” which is a really good song too
Immanentize
@Jim, Foolish Literalist: perfectly good guitar
Jim, Foolish Literalist
@MomSense: I love Renaissance/Early music. I find it incredibly soothing.
Immanentize
@Steve in the ATL: The first concert I went to at 14 was (sorry) a Three Dog Night concert. But the opening band was T-Rex and Marc Bolyn whipped his guitar on stage, plugged in, with the fog machine on. I have never looked back.
Steve in the ATL
@Immanentize: Nice!
Boy, you never know where these open threads are going to go….
Mike J
@MomSense:
Albert Collins, master of the telecaster (sorry, I play a tele, not a strat).
Immanentize
@Steve in the ATL: too true. We should have a best warm up band thread some day. I would add E Street Band warming up for friggin Chicago.
Mike J
@Steve in the ATL: Still talking about Aussie artists? How about one a little newer? (and a telecaster player)
NotMax
@Jim, Foolish Literalist
Ever listen to Gryphon? Progressive rock/Baroque mix. A favorite LP in the NotMax collection.
Gravenstone
@Steve in the ATL: The band certainly found fame in Australia. But if I recall correctly, the founding brothers were born in England and the family moved to Australia when their father’s job took him there.
Stupid trivia, their older brother was in a 60’s band – the Easybeats.
eta: which I see upthread that you already knew
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@PIGL: @PIGL:
Let me guess – neckbeard? Or scraggly facial pubic hair, accompanied by drug use as you drift between occupy encampments?
Steve in the ATL
@Mike J: She’s good–I hear her all the time on XMU. I used to be a Tele man myself but made the switch in college (it’s a time for experimenting, right?).
@Immanentize: I saw the Beastie Boys open for Run-DMC. In Paris.
Gravenstone
@Calouste: No love for Andy Gibb?
NotMax
@Immanentize
Was in the audience when a then unknown group called Yes appeared as the warm-up for Emerson, Lake and Palmer in Philadelphia. Helluva fun night.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Sad_Dem:
The other problem is that these folk DO PAY TAXES, just not the only tax the GOP considers a tax, the Income Tax(well there’s also the estate tax).
Immanentize
@Mike J: Albert Collins used to play with a 100 foot cord. He would wear a red jump suit and walk down the length of the dance floor and out the door and play on the sidewalk outside Antone’s. Damn.
But for me, Albert King, with his pipe and his Flying V singing “I’ll play the Blues for You” was the most Ut.
MomSense
@Mike J:
Another house favorite.
MomSense
@Immanentize: I was going to say the three Kings. Albert was sooo good.
Mike J
@Immanentize: When I was a kid, I had a blues show on the local community radio station. WEVL. One day after school I hop on the bus (I couldn’t drive yet) and go down to the station and fire up some Albert Collins. The president of Alligator records just happened to be in town. He came up to the station, introduced himself, and sat down in the music library with a notepad to find out what we had and what we were missing. When he got back to Chicago, he sent us everything in their catalog we were missing.
Immanentize
@MomSense: Albert was so fine, but often grumpy. He would chew out his band mercilessly.
maeve
@WarMunchkin:
You dont have to have a kindle to read kindle books – I have the Kindle app both on my iPad and windows laptop.You can switch back and forth betwen devices – start reading on one and continue on another.
The advantage of a kindle paperwhite – you can read them in sunlight = other devices get washed out in sunlight
my local library lets me check out books on kindle – not all book but what they have contracted – I was impressed when I requested a book and they hadi 2 days later
Steve in the ATL
@Mike J: Where did you go to high school?
Steve in the ATL
@Mike J: I used to listen to that show…this is getting weird.
Immanentize
@Steve in the ATL: I saw Run and Curtis Blow and a whole bunch of others in the “New York Fresh Festival” in 86? in Miami. Wish I had been with you in Paris!!
@NotMax: Damn. I love it!
@Mike J: such a great story — I have an Alligator compilation that I still play all the time. I got to know Marsha Ball when I was in Texas….
Immanentize
Hey guitar and blues fans. Thank you so much for the chat. Made me very happy. I just put on Dynaflow Blues to send me to sleep….
SiubhanDuinne
@MomSense:
@Jim, Foolish Literalist:
Did you all see over the weekend that great Nikolaus Harnoncourt died over the weekend? He was incredibly influential in promoting early music.
LanceThruster
Angel City (in Oz just Angel).
J R in WV
@MomSense:
Buddy Guy is a gifted and hard working blues guitarist. Touring this year for his 80th birthday! Last night I heard a piece from an acoustic album he did with… Sunny Boy Williamson IIRC on harps. But mostly electric blues.
Susan Tedeschi and Derek Trucks are both pretty good. I prefer Susan… There are so many, Blues seems to be doing great right now. Bonnie Raitt, also.
J R in WV
YES, John Lee Hooker!
When I was 17 I went away to college jusgt after graduating from HS. So in summer school everyone but me was upper classmen needing a credit to graduate on schedule. One day a guy next to me in the dorm asks if I want to go to a friend’s hometown for a music festival. I didn’t even ask where or what kind – turned out to be the Newport Folk Festival, and that year the focus was blues.
I didn’t know anything about the blues til then. Janis and BB and Junior and Albert and Muddy and, and. and!!
There were elderly guys on side stages in the afternoons, and superstars on the main stage all night. I still have the program, somewhere. Quite an introduction for a white-bread boy from a coal town.
Jeffro
@Just Some Fuckhead:
I expected better from such a Deep Bench they had there…
Joel
@Prescott Cactus: In America, you always find a party!
Paul in KY
@Baud: Hopefully John is at least getting some sweet coin for helping to drown your socialist-commie-facist taker message.
Paul in KY
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Can we keep ‘This Land is Your Land’ (with the commie lyrics)?
Paul in KY
@redshirt: I would probably move Midnight Oil up & move ‘The Seekers’ in to the Men at Work slot.
Edit: Forgot about The Bee Gees.
Paul in KY
@Mike J: She’s badass. Hoping to see her at a fest or two.
The Other Chuck
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Gotta say, as trolls go, you used to at least be funnier than BoB. Step up your game bro, this is weak.