Protesters Violently Ejected from NOLA Trump Rally (Updated)

This sort of thing keeps happening:

Via Gawker:

Several protesters were dragged out of a Donald Trump rally in New Orleans last night by his security personnel. Rally attendants yelled “all lives matter” and shoved them as they were being forcibly ejected.

“Secret service and Trump’s security team were part of that crew, but so were civilians, who were allowed to push, kick and shove the protesters,” says freelance reporter Amy K. Nelson who captured this video from inside the crowd at Lakefront Airport.

Meanwhile, the Dumbest Man on the Internet re-ups the license to that title:

dumbest man

That’s some up-is-downism worthy of America’s most persecuted religious group: Evangelical wingnuts. Seriously, though, it’s almost inevitable that the Trumpenproletariat are going to maim or kill someone at one of these rallies. And Il Douche will be smirking from the stage when it happens. Scary shit, y’all.

ETA: Via valued commenter Tripod:

Holy goose-stepping FSM…






167 replies
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    JPL says:

    The crowd is listening to Trump, and the dumbest blog on the planet is worried about profanity? wtf

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    What’s the Secret Service’s role here? If they’re supposed to be protecting the candidate, why don’t they stay near him? I guess I don’t understand their role.

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    Trump’s enforcers just need some kind of uniform to make it clear that they’re there to kick people out. I recommend black shirts.

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    scav says:

    Beginning to make sense that even a vague campaign promise to not order the troops to do actions illegal under international law might be news for this brave new leader. Wonder if that vague promise extends to the FBI, other security agents and national law?

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Roger Moore: Maybe with some lightning bolts on em.

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    JPL says:

    @Tripod: OMG….

    Betty needs to front page that.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    Just musing on the Vox article posted in a thread below about authoritarians in the US and the potential rise of more Trump-like politicians. How do you fight authoritarianism in these circumstances?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @JPL: Done.

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    lamh36 says:

    @wpjenna
    As two black men are led out, Trump: “We have a divided country, folks. We have a terrible president who happens to be African American.”

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    Trentrunner says:

    More ominous still, the photos were taken by one Leni Riefenstahl.

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    Trentrunner says:

    @lamh36: Yup, this meme is now taking hold: Obama divided America with his blackety-blackness whipping up hate among the young bucks and sassy babymamas.

    Truth is, Obama’s election lanced a sore, gorging boil on the body politic, and now everyone is shocked, shocked that the pus of racism smears our country’s skin.

    Now. Who’s hungry?

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    So all my Republican acquaintances are happily tweeting and facebooking about the enormous crowds and lines at the Kentucky caucuses (where they’re seeming to really embrace the booger eater). I just took a gigantic, steaming shit on the happy participants by pointing out that the photos of the gatherings are whiter than a snowstorm at a Klavern.

    And no, I don’t give a shit about their feelings. Am eagerly anticipating the impassioned howls of outrage.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    I’m guessing that the Secret Service was not actually part of the group that removed the BLM protesters. They said it wasn’t them that removed the group of black university students who were thrown out of a Trump rally on their own university’s campus. This group could have been local police and Trump campaign security staff as well as rally attendees.

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    MomSense says:

    Keep it up Trumpholes. We are all watching you and will remember this when it is our turn to exercise our constitutional right to V-O-T-E.

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    Gimlet says:

    Nothing quantitative but this may be the day of the Cruz.

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    scav says:

    Guardian liveblog has the photo/tweet Tripod pointed out as well (at 21:30).

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @Gimlet:

    Wonder which it will be? The bullyng asshole or the physically repugnant?

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    superpredators4hillary says:

    There’s a special place in hell for Trumpians who don’t help each other.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Amir Khalid: It’s much better clickbait to tell people the Secret Service did it. Somebody is going to get hurt at one of these events; it’s only a matter of time.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Nate reports that record primary turnout usually means losing in the general. Inner-party warfare is good for turnout, not so good for winning over the majority.

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    Baud says:

    The Nazis were at least impeccably dressed. Trump’s fans look like slobs.

  23. 23
    Baud says:

    @🚸 Martin:

    I guess 2008 was an exception.

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    Gimlet says:

    @🚸 Martin:

    So how was Obama’s primary turnout?

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @lamh36: To keep sane, I have to remind myself that Obama won twice and that 60%-70% of the voters in the Republican primaries have voted for candidates that aren’t Trump.

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    superpredators4hillary says:

    @Baud: You ever been to a BJ meetup?

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    Baud says:

    @superpredators4hillary:

    There’s a special place in hell for Trumpians who don’t help each other.

    Fixed.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: lol That is so true.

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    Baud says:

    @superpredators4hillary:

    Seen the photos. Juicers are gorgeous.

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    Felanius Kootea says:

    @🚸 Martin: Except in 2008 – the highest Dem primary turn out since 1972 with a high general election turnout as well.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: I think you’re thinking of the latter day Nazis, think more or the early days in Munich.

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    superpredators4hillary says:

    @Baud: Shill

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    Baud says:

    @Felanius Kootea: Someone said 1988 was the highest before 2008.

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    KlareCole says:

    Not if but when a protester is killed at a Trump rally, Trumps ratings will go up more. His followers will say ‘they deserved it’. If it is a Black Lives Matter protester there will be many Trumpettes that will be pleased. This is why they are following him, hoping for some Nero-like blood baths. I’m sure they have their guns & ammo handy to help escalate such a situation. This is the logical consequences of the infoxified, the breibarted, NRL-ed, anti-gayed, anti-minorityed, god-fearinged, anti-muslimed right. We just really didn’t want to believe it was the entire party. The right is far worse than I thought and my opinion was already below pond scum. It is clear that being conservative means being the most malleable to brainwashing. And still think you are ‘free & independent.’

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    Baud says:

    @superpredators4hillary: A candidate who knows his base.

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    🚸 Martin says:

    @Baud: Yes, 2008 was an outlier. I would also note that there were serious national issues to deal with in 2008 and McCain was clearly not up to the task of addressing them. I don’t think any such dynamic exists this cycle to shape the general.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud:

    Juicers are gorgeous.

    Guess you missed the pic of the BJ meetup that I was at.

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    @🚸 Martin:

    Yeah, but as I understand, you’re a paid corporatist troll, and it is your day job to keep people who might want to dissent and heighten the contradictions depressed. Between you doing that and Omnes being a fake lawyer, I don’t hardly know what to think anymore…..

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Maybe Trump’s end game is to have his clothing factories in Mexico make nice clothes to sell to his supporters.

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I may have. I don’t recall it. Gotta link?

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    Oh, and for the record, if mclaren ever wants to debate the finer points of the philosophical underpinnings of constitutional theory with me, I’m a working stiff lawyer engaged in family law. We don’t do the constitution thing – it just gets in our way…

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    Baud says:

    I thought Trump would do better than Cruz in Maine. Maybe it’s the Canada connection. Interesting result if it holds.

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    Brachiator says:

    If Trump gets the nomination, I wonder if protesters would be brave enough to try to get into the Republican convention. The spectacle of them being abused would underscore the vile mess that the Republicans may unleash.

    Obviously, this would be potentially very risky, and I am not saying that anyone should definitely do it.

    I was listening to an interview done Friday morning with a California representative of the Republican Party and another who was a Cruz representative. The Cruz guy was still insisting that Trump was unqualified, etc. The GOP grandee was insisting that the Party could still make nice and accept Trump, and softly, but clearly distanced himself from Romney’s remarks.

    Other analysts noted that Cruz has done relatively well in the primaries. So, currently the first and second place slots are held by candidates that the mainstream GOP hates or fears.

    From an earlier post, I don’t think that Koch and the other money men believe that they can control Trump. He may be a plutocrat, but he sees himself as potentially the first among equals.

    And as poster Trentrunner notes, Trump is seething that Obama mocked him and made a fool of him and is intent on re-establishing making himself the Great White Male Hope.

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    @KlareCole: If gun fire broke out at a Trump rally it would be a blood bath event, with most of the victims either self-inflicted or friendly fire Trump supporters. Nothing that I’ve seen remotely suggests they could shoot accurately.

    Of course Fox New would report it that the lone, unarmed protester was responsible for the carnage.

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    the Conster, la Citoyenne says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:

    And no, I don’t give a shit about their feelings.

    That’s how it’s done. We whites all just simply have to call their bullshit out. The days of caring about racists’ hurt fee fees are past.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Speaking of threats of violence:
    http://gawker.com/glenn-beck-i.....1763071307

    And I’ll just throw this in for good measure:
    http://gizmodo.com/these-photo.....1763075954

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    @Brachiator: It’s a topsy-turvy world when Cruz looks like a safer choice than the reality show pimp.

    @Adam L Silverman: And that I would root for Glen Beck.

    Clearly, I’m having a fever dream and none of you are real.

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    Fair Economist says:

    Incidentally you may recall Black Lives Matter got some flack for protesting relatively friendly Democratic rallies and meetings while staying away from Republican ones. I think it’s only fair to point out they’re currently in the front lines against this quasifascist Trumpism movement.

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    NotMax says:

    Not charged with any crime, foreign student is forced to leave U.S..

    Have read worse here on BJ. There’s a 1st amendment case there for an enterprising legal eagle (are you listening by any chance, ACLU?).

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    Aleta says:

    @Baud: Vote Baud For Everything

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Be careful what you ask for: LA meetup @ The Golden Road.

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    Baud says:

    @Fair Economist: Agree. Amazing group of people.

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    mike in dc says:

    Cruz on track to win at least 2 out of 5 today.

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    NotMax says:

    Interactively interesting timeline: Mapping nukes.

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I did miss that photo.

    I stand by my original observation.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: True you can only see a bit of my ugly mug. It was a bit hard to find because it wasn’t in the “Meetups” category.

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    Baud says:

    @NotMax:

    I don’t know. Call it self interest, but I take even joke threats against a candidate’s life pretty seriously.

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    JPL says:

    Kasich is polling close to Trump in Michigan. Who would have thought, that no one wanted to know the size of his p.en.is. Little Marco did the nation a favor by pointing that out, but he appears to be paying a price for it. Strange times.

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    SciNY says:

    To be honest, this is what I’m scared goes nationwide if the GOPers find a way of wiggling out of giving Trump the nomination despite winning a significant plurality of delegates and votes. It won’t be limited to press releases and letters to the editor and peaceful marches to City Hall and writing in Trump come November. The question is, will they respond by talking up violent revolution, or actually use violence to rage against “those people” Trump wants them to blame. That’s kind of the problem with extremist talk — someone is likely to believe it’s not just bull$h!t.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Very brave people in that video.

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    KlareCole says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Chuckle. Yes, but you know they think they are responsible, well trained gun owners. And Fox would do just as you say. Sadly, very sadly, delusions usually have dire consequences.

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    NotMax says:

    @Baud

    Yes, but they declined to charge him with that. Or with anything, for that matter.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Too much rich food. Perhaps you should switch to gruel for a few weeks?

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    Baud says:

    @NotMax: Sounded like a plea deal.

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    KlareCole says:

    @Fair Economist: Really good point.

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    Fair Economist says:

    @mike in dc: Only one precinct in Maine in so far so a little early to say Cruz is on track to win. Conversely in Kansas he’s got a 2-1 lead with 50% in – I’d say the networks are dragging their feet on calling that one; you can probably already say he HAS won.

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    BR says:

    Seems to me a better strategy would be to attend a Trump event while brown/black, in pairs, but scattered through the crowd, and don’t do any obvious protest but don’t cheer either. They’ll probably kick you out, and then there’s a stronger case to make that they’re profiling (not that there isn’t one now, but to the MSM). To add to the drama, claim to be a Cruz supporter.

    I might try it if there were an event near me…

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: I do as well, I’m old enough to remember when Bobby Kennedy was killed and George Wallace was shot. Interesting trivia, the place where RFK was shot was at one point going to be developed into a Yuuuge and very Claasssy development by a certain Donald J. Trump. But like most of his projects it didn’t pan out and is now a high school.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Of course you don’t. The Constitution was written when women and children knew their place and let the men make all the decisions. There was no need for “family law” in those days.

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Wasn’t he shot in a hotel?

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @NotMax: Dunno. My understanding is that people here on a visa are required to ‘behave themselves’ or they risk having their visa revoked. There are aspects of the Patriot Act that could be cited, but that doesn’t seem necessary in this case (since he was so explicit):

    (A different case:)

    Giles said the U.S. consular official cited Section 212(a)(3)(B) of the Patriot Act as the reason for the visa denial. It renders ineligible for a U.S. visa anyone who engages in terrorist activities, belongs to a terrorist organization or endorses terrorist activities.

    I’m not expressing a legal opinion either way (IANAL), just saying that he might not have a leg to stand on here. Being able to stay until July may be a blessing for him, given the way it could have gone…

    My $0.02.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Brachiator says:

    @TaMara (BHF):

    It’s a topsy-turvy world when Cruz looks like a safer choice than the reality show pimp.

    I think both are odious. Trump is unstable and Cruz is a religious fanatic with a sharp legal mind.

    I think, though, that the money men think that Cruz would be more malleable. They also like that he would be unwilling to negotiate with the Democrats. Trump, on the other hand, might not be so hot to stand firm on conservative “principles.”

    Also, Trump openly flirts with racists, but foolishly believes that he might be able to mollify them. But I bet you good money that you will uncover supremacist beliefs if you dig deep into Cruz’ beliefs when he clerked in the Supreme Court, or asked him in a debate about Civil Rights and related matters.

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    Cripes. The video STARTS with someone yelling ‘nigger’. Anybody still want to argue that Trump’s appeal isn’t racism?

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    NotMax says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    As am I, plus JFK, among others (such as, quite possibly, UN Secretary-General Dag Hammarskjöld).

    But don’t really see much degree of difference from those here who constantly call for French Revolution solutions (something which has always rankled, BTW).

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: Yup, the Ambassador Hotel. It went BK in the late 80’s; the school district wanted to build a high school and Trump wanted to build the world’s tallest building(Yuuuuge and Classy, of course). The school district ended up Winning! and Trump headed back to NYC with his tail between his legs.

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    @Brachiator: Oh, I think Cruz is a worse than Trump as a person, because I still think Trump is just playing a game and Cruz is dead serious. But I thought Trump would burn out, not start looking like Nazi Germany in 1930s . That’s what scares me, Trump is starting to believe his own shtick and he’s good at it. It seems like a short step between failed painter businessman and cult leader/mass murderer.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @NotMax: I’ve always been more of an evolutionary type of person as opposed to a revolutionary type.

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    NotMax says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    However, by dint of being physically here (as opposed to someone physically present overseas applying for a visa), the umbrella of Constitutional protections applies.

    Had he not been Middle Eastern and Muslim, do you really believe it would have played out the same?

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Interesting. You know your local history.

    @BillinGlendaleCA: I’m more of an opportunist. Take what you can get and keep moving forward. I’m not against doing big things if the opportunity presents itself.

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    D58826 says:

    @Fair Economist:Of course the big story of the night will be that Little Marco’s campaign strategy of solid third place wins continues to play out to perfection.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: I’m a bit of a history/map geek, I’ve also lived in the LA area all my life(save 3 years in Seattle for grad school).

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    NotMax says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA

    Tangentially related, but always found it of interest that NYC has a Norman Thomas High School.

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    Stacy says:

    @lamh36: At least he admitted Obama is an American.

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    @efgoldman: Well, this is Colorado after all.

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    The Republic, Blah Blah Blah... says:

    Hmmm… that 2nd flag in the ‘Heil Trumpf’ photo… to the right of the American one… reminds me of something…

    Oh yeah… can’t help but think of the Confederate flag… I know… I know… it’s the Florida state flag…

    But still that diagonal cross… somehow, it seems appropriate at a Trumpenfuhrer rally…

    Just sayin’…

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    Gretchen says:

    KS Dem caucus in my area expected 2000 got 3-4000. Waited 2 1-2 hours to get in.

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    D58826 says:

    @🚸 Martin: from Nate’s blog to the electoral college’s ears.

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    Baud says:

    @Gretchen:

    Sanders is expected to win Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine, while Hillary takes Louisiana.

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    @Gretchen: There were so many here in Colorado, they turned people away, people were rightfully outraged and now there is lots of noise about going to a primary system. Which, of course, I am all for.

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    Splitting Image says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Incidentally you may recall Black Lives Matter got some flack for protesting relatively friendly Democratic rallies and meetings while staying away from Republican ones. I think it’s only fair to point out they’re currently in the front lines against this quasifascist Trumpism movement.

    Agreed.

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    Tripod says:

    @Stacy:

    Thread win.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @NotMax: Dunno.

    CFR:

    As a result, the Nigerian media is speculating that the United States “appears set to sanction” First Lady Patience Jonathan, former Niger Delta minister Godsday Orubebe, and the governor of Katsina state, Ibrahim Shema. All three made statements that could be construed as inciting violence or as disrupting the polling and counting process during the campaign and election process. For example, the press reports Patience Jonathan as saying, “I’m telling you, anyone that comes and tells you [to] change, stone that person.” Shema has been taped calling on his supporters to kill the opposition, whom he described as “cockroaches.” Orubebe on television disrupted the collation of presidential election results while insulting Independent National Electoral Commission Chairman Attahiru Jega, whose performance has even been praised by President Barack Obama.

    The U.S. Department of State does revoke visas, and carefully follows required procedures. However, speculation as to whose visa is being revoked is exactly that – speculation. Visa revocation is covered by United States laws that protect privacy. Therefore, the Department of State never makes public the name of a person whose visa it has revoked, nor will it comment on whether an individual is under review for possible visa revocation. It also does not publish the number of visas it has revoked from the citizens or residents of a particular country.

    There are differences when a person is here, of course, but I do understand that violating immigration laws is not the same as violating the US Civil or Criminal Code (though I may not be expressing it accurately). That’s why people can be deported without going through normal US federal courts, etc. – a different set of rules apply for people under the immigration system.

    FWIW.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @NotMax: I went to hear Norman Thomas speak at a lecture series when I was in undergrad school.

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    superpredators4hillary says:

    @The Republic, Blah Blah Blah…: Heil Citrus!

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    henqiguai says:

    @Baud(#92):

    Sanders is expected to win Kansas, Nebraska, and Maine

    Yay Bernie! Still rocking that white vote…

    Yes, I’m bad and a rabble-rouser.

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    Brachiator says:

    I’m seeing a Guardian story that Cruz has won the Kansas caucus. Had he been leading in the polling up til now for the state?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Sure, she needs to level her system way down.

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    @Brachiator:

    Had he been leading in the polling up til now for the state?

    Yes, because crazy Christians.

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    JPL says:

    @Brachiator: No, but he wasn’t that far behind. Kasich has pulled ahead of Trump in a MI poll.

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    NotMax says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    Granted that there are additional laws (and associated legal procedures/venues) that apply but they are not extra-Constitutional nor negate such rights and protections.

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    LAO says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: no surprise there, they elected Brownback twice. It is now, I understand, republican nirvana.

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    Tripod says:

    @Baud:

    With the usual devil in the details of proportional delegate allocation, primary vs. caucus, and ballot box stuffing.

    Like who knew the Nebraska caucus allows absentee voting (I mean other than that dweeb Plouffe)? That will likely blunt Sanders’ advantage in caucus turnout intensity.

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    lamh36 says:

    @wpjenna
    Here’s video of thousands of Floridians raising their right hands and swearing to vote for Trump: http://wapo.st/1nodKnI

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    debbie says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I used to listen to Beck for amusement when I was working second shift. He’s all about empty threats, like a kid hiding behind his mommy’s skirts. It’s good to see that he’s finally being investigated.

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    raven says:

    Who gets the garden photos?

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    Our Governor just endorsed der Trump so this should be interesting.

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    scav says:

    @raven:

    Who gets the garden photos?

    Are we already in some sort of breakup? Negotiating who gets custody of the pets, the garden, the dog-eared recipes, the pet trolls? Science blogger lines forms where?

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Adam L Silverman: This begs the question: Do you have any scrumptious Gruel recipes?

    Please sir, I want some more

    .

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @NotMax: I think the rub is that someone here on a visa is here as a guest. They do not have a right to be here, and they cannot demand to be admitted into the US. It’s a courtesy, and that courtesy is subject to some rules.

    Consider Justin Bieber:

    Nonimmigrant visas can be revoked for several reasons including criminal conduct.

    When a nonimmigrant visa applicant seeks a visa to come to the U.S. to work, they apply through a U.S. embassy consular office and that visa can be revoked if the visa holder becomes ineligible to maintain the nonimmigrant visa, which can occur for a variety of reasons. There are criminal and related grounds for visa ineligibility, among other additional reasons a visa can be revoked. An excerpt from the statute containing grounds for visa revocation identifies criminal and related issues and states, “…any alien convicted of, or who admits having committed, or who admits committing acts which constitute the essential elements of (I) a crime involving moral turpitude (other than a purely political offense) or an attempt or conspiracy to commit such a crime, or (II) a violation of (or a conspiracy or attempt to violate) any law or regulation of a State, the United States, or a foreign country relating to a controlled substance…[iii]”

    What constitutes a crime of moral turpitude, for purposes of visa ineligibility, is a unique question best answered on a case-by-case basis, and a licensed immigration attorney may be necessary to represent the nonimmigrant. While it may not always be clear what constitutes a crime for moral turpitude, it is clear that multiple criminal convictions can trigger visa revocation and deportation. In addition to what is stated above, the ineligibility statute also states regarding multiple convictions, “Any alien convicted of 2 or more offenses (other than purely political offenses), regardless of whether the conviction was in a single trial or whether the offenses arose from a single scheme of misconduct and regardless of whether the offenses involved moral turpitude, for which the aggregate sentences to confinement were 5 years or more is inadmissible.” In other words, the combination of options that could trigger visa revocation can be complex.

    (I haven’t read the statute referenced above.)

    As you point out, in this case he hasn’t been convicted of anything. But if I were in his situation, I wouldn’t want to risk a criminal conviction, or even short of that, the expense of fighting the deportation in what seems to be an open-and-shut case, if the alternative was to be able to finish my year of school and leave without any other consequences.

    Again, IANAL, so I probably can’t add anything more to this (if I’ve added anything thus far!).

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @BR:

    Seems to me a better strategy would be to attend a Trump event while brown/black, in pairs,

    Brown/black. Governor of Kansas, right?

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    raven says:

    @scav: I wasn’t clear, which front pager gets them for Sunday Morning?

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    Brachiator says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: By the way, did you see or know about this video or the stories about it? Apparently, it has gone viral after being discussed on various public radio programs and other places.

    An Indian tv ad about detergent, but more, a father learning to value his daughter.

    Ariel – #ShareTheLoad

    We know every woman has two jobs – one at the office and one at home. She multitasks and handles both almost single handedly. It’s time to understand why. It’s time to get to the root of the issue. Is it our upbringing? Are we passing gender roles that haven’t evolved with the times? Watch this film and share your thoughts.

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    Redshift says:

    @BR: Chris Hayes interviewed a student who was one of a group of African Americans kicked out of a Trump rally at Valdosta State University. She declined to speculate on why they were kicked out, but they weren’t protesting or wearing anti-Trump or BLM shirts or anything, and they were asked to leave before he started speaking, so it was pretty clearly profiling.

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    scav says:

    @raven: Yes (and I await the outcome with pleasure), but can’t we play with the other? I personally could use a less dangerously pointy theme of dada insanity as a change of topical diet.

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    debbie says:

    @raven:

    Anne does the garden posts.

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    Mary G says:

    Looks like Marco Rubio is going to get zero delegates in Kansas, and although the Maine results are only four percent in, he is at Jeb levels right now. That makes me happy. I wonder if LePaige’s endorsement might’ve hurt Trump? He can’t be that popular up there.

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    Peale says:

    @Redshift: so where they protesters at all?

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    raven says:

    @scav: Heck yes but this is the kind of day when she’ll keep me. I busted my ass and got a good portion of the brick sidewalk built!

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    Brachiator says:

    @pseudonymous in nc: RE: Had he been leading in the polling up til now for the state?

    Yes, because crazy Christians.

    Hot doggy. Are we getting gunfights and a brokered GOP convention?

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    Ruckus says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:
    Hey! I resemble that remark.

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    @Brachiator: No, this is the first time I have heard of it.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Felonius Monk:

    I heard him when I was in high school. Also part of a lecture series (which included a very young Hal Holbrook in the first incarnation of his “Mark Twain Tonight” one-man show).

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    lamh36 says:

    @tchop__StL
    Kasich’s campaign staffer punched & choked a woman in November. He was fired today when it went public. https://twitter.com/politico/status/706264546399408128

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    Chris says:

    @Brachiator:

    If Trump gets the nomination, I wonder if protesters would be brave enough to try to get into the Republican convention. The spectacle of them being abused would underscore the vile mess that the Republicans may unleash.

    I’d like to see right wing protesters, from those various parts of the GOP that are enraged with Trump and think he’s an Obama like usurper, try to protest him and get the shit beat out of them. That might actually cause an uproar. (Hippies and nonwhites, everyone knows These People are just getting what they’re asking for).

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    The Other Chuck says:

    @lamh36: Guess he could go work for Drumpf then.

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    NotMax says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet

    From the linked article:

    Elsayed, who has not been charged with a crime but had his visa revoked, appeared shackled and wearing a yellow jail jumpsuit at a hearing in immigration court in Los Angeles. He is being held at a Southern California jail.

    His lawyer, Hani Bushra, told Immigration Judge Kevin Riley that he may seek another bond hearing for the aspiring pilot from Cairo because he believes Elsayed’s detention is illegal.

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    debbie says:

    @lamh36:

    From the linked-to article (Politico):

    “Obviously, this kind of behavior is abhorrent and completely unacceptable. We were unaware of the incident concerning Blake, and he is no longer an employee of the campaign,” Kasich campaign manager Beth Hansen said in a statement.

    What a crock of crap.

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    Brachiator says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    No, this is the first time I have heard of it.

    I tried to put a video link at the phrase “Ariel.” I think that is the name of the detergent.

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    Redshift says:

    @Peale:

    so where they protesters at all?

    Nope, just attending a Trump rally while black. They were apparently all dressed in black, though they were not dressed identically. The student who was interviewed said she just wanted to learn more about the candidate. It’s not impossible that some of them were planning to protest, but they definitely hadn’t done anything objectionable when they were escorted out.

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    Germy says:

    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/0.....ump-rally/
    Man booted out of Marine Corps after video surfaces of him screaming at black woman during Trump rally

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    lamh36 says:

    I still contend that Trump never wanted to be President. It was all about vanity for him. He never expected to even get a far as this, and I’d bet he never expected to make it past first couple of primaries. Of course his ego won’t let him outright quit, but everything he has done has been to ratchet up over and over and over.

    And I imagine everytime he wins, he’s just thinking “what do I have to do to get these folks stop …”

    Or I could be wrong and he really wants it. But I don’t buy it.

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    raven says:

    @Germy: Well, I’m glad but he wasn’t IN the Marines.

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    Germy says:

    @raven: He was what they call a “hopeful marine”.

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    raven says:

    @Germy: Yea, that’s a lot different than being in the crotch.

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    lamh36 says:

    As someone said, what good is a strong 3rd place mean in a 4 person race?

    @woodruffbets 16m16 minutes ago

    Looks like Rubio will get a strong 3st place finish in Kansas

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @lamh36: Rubotmentum!!!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @debbie: This is what happens when you combine the negative emotional and mental side effects of prolonged drug abuse, serious mental health issues that are going untreated, a large personal fortune, and a media platform.

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    jl says:

    So, they hadn’t done anything at all, but were booted out. But they had it coming for some reason? I wonder what the problem could have been? What was it about them anyway? Hard to tell. (snark).

    I prefer Drumpf over Trump, the appropriate phrases sound better.
    Der Drumpfenfuhrer
    Drumpfentariate
    Drumpfnado
    Drumpfster fire.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @lamh36:

    ….but everything he has done has been to ratchet up over and over and over.

    I’m right there with you; it appears to be Andy Kaufmanesque performance art. So, apparently thinks Trump, talking about my package won’t get you to not vote for me? Let’s try a Heil Trump salute. If that doesn’t do the trick, Heaven help us all what comes up if this keeps going.

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    The Golux says:

    @hamletta:

    Dude in a Mexican wall suit.

    I’m fully convinced that if Trump wins, Canada will build a wall to keep wingnuts out.

    I haven’t worked out how they’ll get the US to pay for it.

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    scav says:

    Speaking of the magic of business acumen that will solve all that is wrong with our nation, I just got a bulk glossy oversize flyer from a realtor telling me that a nearby building sold in “15 DAYS!!!” and that now is clearly the time for me to jump in with her and sell. I’m in an apartment building. Surrounded by apartment buildings.

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    The Golux says:

    @lamh36:

    And I imagine everytime he wins, he’s just thinking “what do I have to do to get these folks stop …”

    As others have mentioned, it’s the Max Bialystock effect.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks. I’m going to try it.

    But I thought F Monk had something more like this in mind:

    Bass o Matic
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BQFv83QJ2Y

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: Just imagine how that would work with a nutribullet. Then realize someone has probably tried it.

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    So AAs either being removed prior to Trump speaking, or assaulted and forcibly removed. When do the lynchings start? Dems have to put up with ARMED protesters, Feds have jackholes aiming at them on camera from sniper positions, but you can’t even ATTEND a Trump rally without risking death. That’s some serious bullshit.

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    @Brachiator: I checked it out. Indian men typically don’t help out in household chores, so the ad rings true.
    However both my dad and husband kitteh do the laundry, husband kitteh also helps out in the kitchen prep. Things are slowly changing, however I have also seen Indian men not even getting up and getting themselves a glass of water.

    ETA: My grandfather, lost his mother when he was a child so he was a pretty decent cook himself.

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    OT: My niece and her fiance moved out today. I’m sitting here watching Carolina trying their best to give this game away to the damned Blue Devils. On the one hand, it felt good to complete something Mrs. Cisco and I started almost a year ago. They’re good kids and they’ll be OK. On the other, not exactly how I had planned to celebrate…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I think this is less an Indian men thing and more of just a men’s thing. Those of us who are forced to suffer with the defect of being chromosomally challenged with only one X are often problematic.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Gruel and unusual nourishment.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): Still thinking of you and recognizing how bittersweet today must be.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: And manufactured by Hugo Boss.

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    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Thank you. I think I’ll continue to watch the threads for a while. They needed to go ahead and get on with their lives, and I couldn’t heal with them here, but it’s proving a bit more difficult than I thought it would be.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Oh man. I took some of this to FB and have ended up in a YOOOUDGE fight with my cousin, who until now was the only sane one in my family (other than me, of course). Now what?

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    Older says:

    @Germy: It didn’t “surface” — he published it himself, on Facebook. He was proud of it.

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    John Revolta says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Now? Now it’s just you.

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    Joel says:

    I never realized that the Nobel Committee made Sinclair Lewis the first American laureate in Prophecy.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @John Revolta:

    Yes, apparently so. The Argument Thread over on the Book of Faces seems to have dried up.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Ben Cisco (onboard the Defiant): Thinking healing thoughts for you. Take it easy, the healing comes in time. Maybe it takes a longish time but easy does it. And keep checking in with us, we care about you.

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    J R in WV says:

    @Baud:

    Yes, in the kitchen as he departed after speaking about his win in the California primary.

    I was 17 and at college at the time, we were watching TV news in the dorm “lounge” – the only TV in the dorm IIRC to see the CA primary results.

    JFK, RFK, and MLK jr. all at once it seemed.

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    NickM says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Do they commemorate or note the history there somehow?

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    KlareCole says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I came back to Juice to escape my trumpeting cousins on FB.

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