Balloon Juice Bunker Standoff Update: KGW’s Interview with Ammon Bundy

elftx pointed me towards KGW’s interview with Ammon Bundy very early this morning in the embers of the comments thread from yesterday’s post.

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Part 2:


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    Thanks for the nth loon update. Are they all in jail?

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    Baud says:

    What’s with the new “You might also like…” option?

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    Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class says:

    If a sizeable percentage of your immediate family is in custody awaiting trial, been named in felony indictments or are serving felony time, you might want to re-evaluate the teachings of the family patriarch and start questioning the wisdom of his statements.

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    redshirt says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: Or maybe it’s the Law that needs to be questioned. The Government. The whole freaking System, man!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: A lot of them are. The 12 they picked up yesterday were all part of the Bunkerville/Bundy Ranch standoff in 2014. There are probably still folks from both the Bundy Ranch standoff and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge standoff that have not been arrested. A lot of those folks are very small timers, so they may just let them go or try to lean on them and flip them.

    Personally, if it was me, I’d leave as much of the known, observed, and mapped network that I can in place at this point. I’ve got the big names, so if I can leave other parts of the network in place, specifically if there is no reason to believe they pose a meaningful and immediate threat, then I can see how the network reforms itself.

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    🌷 Martin says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: I’ll take ‘Cults’ for $200, Alex.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: I have no idea.

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    Yutsano says:

    @Baud: @Adam L Silverman: Doesn’t show on mobile. Huh.

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    Baud says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m curious what options will appear the next time Cole posts about one of his life adventures.

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    benw says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: it depends on whether or not you are actually being oppressed by a jackbooted, fascist government, I suppose.

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    redshirt says:

    @benw: Or if it’s a Democratic or Republican Administration. Everyone knows the jackboots only come out when Dems are in power.

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    LAO says:

    Returning to yesterday, did you see the latest about Fiore?

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    The Ancient Randonneur says:

    This is what our nation does? Seriously? Ammon Bundy is afforded the privilege of living at peoples’ expense because he is white. Had MLK and SCLC showed up at a demonstration armed like these militia folks were we all know how that would have ended. Look what authorities did to an unarmed group of protesters at the Edmund Pettis Bridge.

    Lavoy was a hero? Bitch, please …

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    “They attacked us like we were domestic terrorists or terrorists, even foreign terrorists”

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Oy vey…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Prescott Cactus: If the shoe fits…

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    LAO says:

    @Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class: A rational response. Not going to happen. This family feels aggrieved, therefore they believe they must be oppressed.

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    benw says:

    @redshirt: I really hope Hillz or Bernz wins in November. I’ve got a sweet new pair of liberal jackboots I’ve been saving. My Obama jackboots are getting pretty scuffed up after 7+ years of stomping liberal oppression on freedom, apple pie, American flags, and True Patriots.

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    scav says:

    Huh. Posting about locked up Bundys may have some sort of weird quantum entanglement effects on the Supreme Court and abortions: SCOTUS Puts Hold On Law That Would Close All But 1 Louisiana Abortion Clinic. It’s another of those admitting privileges at nearby hospitals tricks. and they effectively reversed an order by the federal appeals court in New Orleans. Calling on all lawyer fight action commenters and tea-leave readers! Legitimately with appropriate subclauses Hopeful?

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s awesome.

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    John Cole says:

    IMHO, his kids dodged a fucking bullet. They are probably much better off growing up without him around, although I haven’t seen much better from the family that will fill in while he is occupying federal property for the the next 5-20 years.

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    Cacti says:

    Here’s a list of the charges and maximum sentences the Bundy clan faces from the superseding indictment:

    Conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States: up to 5 years

    Conspiracy to impede and injure a Federal law enforcement officer: up to 6 years

    Use and carry of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence: minimum 5 years served consecutively with underlying offense

    Threatening a Federal law enforcement officer: up to 10 years

    Obstruction of the due administration of justice: up to 10 years

    Assault on a Federal law enforcement officer: up to 20 years

    Interference with interstate commerce by extortion: up to 20 years

    Interstate travel in aid of extortion: up to 20 years

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @The Ancient Randonneur:

    I kind of get where you were going with that, but I really don’t think that “Bundy Ranch” and “Edmund Pettis Bridge” are places that should be linked together in any form, ever.

    Criminals are going to jail. The Civil Rights Movement prevailed against death threats and murder. Not on the same moral plane.

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    LAO says:

    @John Cole: if he is convicted of all of the charges in the bundy ranch indictment, Ammon is looking at @ 42 years (best case scenario.)
    PS. I know I have to let this go Adam but I can’t. 32 years on the gun charges alone.

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    Prescott Cactus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:True

    Second video is showing as Part #1 also.

    Available here are Parts 1 and 2” ;

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @LAO: @Adam L Silverman:

    So, Fiore’s capable of moments of sanity under duress from the Feds, but not otherwise?

    I don’t know if I can listen to the Bundy interviews right now. I’m gonna force myself eventually, (Sagebrush Rebels, I just can’t quit you!) but after beguiling my afternoon with that HCN piece on the “constitutional sheriffs” I don’t know if my stomach can handle it right now. Thanks, Adam! : )

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    Mnemosyne says:

    Totally random bleg, but there’s always someone here who’s an unexpected expert: does anyone know of a good brief book about the War of 1812, particularly from the British perspective? I’m more interested in diplomacy, negotiations, and culture rather than specific battles. TIA.

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    LAO says:

    Adam, it just occurred to me that I am reaching Bella level obsession with the bundys. I may need a timeout.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @LAO: I admit to having entirely too much pleasure when I calculate the minimums on the charges. No doubt the dopamine rush of a junkie.

    The Feds played this as well as they could have, and now the building gets dropped.

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    LAO says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): as I said yesterday, the ONLY thing that makes me root for a us atty, is a right wing terrorist. I needed a cigarette after reading the indictment.

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    OT blog pimping

    A new trend that warms my cynical heart, women headlining movies in the traditionally male dominated Hindi film industry (Bollywood). Two new releases one a biopic on a brave flight attendant Neerja Bhanot, who died saving passengers when her plane was hijacked and a tough cop (Badass Priyanka Chopra khaki) trying to bring order to a fictional lawless district in central India. Women of substance.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: JJ McNab’s twitter feed is like crack. I can’t stay away from it.

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: I’m unfamiliar. Do share

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    Origuy says:

    @Mnemosyne: Remember that to Britain, the War of 1812 was just one part of the Napoleonic Wars. I searched the website of BBC History Magazine, which does book reviews, and found one that might fit the bill.
    When Britain Burned the White House: The 1814 Invasion of Washington by Peter Snow.

    ETA. The reviewer of this book has one of his own: The Challenge: Britain Against America in the Naval War of 1812

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    Mj_Oregon says:

    Tomorrow might be an interesting day around the country. Thirty five gatherings to protest LaVoy Finicum’s shooting are supposed to take place around the country, including three here in Oregon. If I had any gumption, I’d get up to Salem and take a look at these people but eh, it’s Saturday after all and supposed to rain. Here’s the article on the Oregon Live site with an interactive map of them all.

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    Steve in the ATL says:


    She has been all over this story from the beginning. She specializes in anti-government extremism.

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: yes. I didn’t follow her …until now. Thanks

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Mj_Oregon: The rallies seem to be following the strategy of a second tier department store or fast food chain: not in the major cities, just in small to mid size places. Not say that militia is the Hardee’s or Belk of movements….

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Thanks — I knew somebody would have a lead for me!

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    Mj_Oregon says:

    @Steve in the ATL:

    Actually, the most of the ones I checked are to be held at or near federal or state government buildings. Two of the three here in Oregon are at the Federal Building in Portland and the State Capitol building in Salem. The one in Bend seems to be scheduled for the Baja Fresh Mexican Grill though so your reference to Hardee’s may not be too far off.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @LAO: LOL. And like you, only the RW terrorism crew can make me cheer for the US Atty.

    @Steve in the ATL: Maybe we could have a support group.

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    Eric S. says:

    OT: Adam, thanks for the restaurant suggestion in Tampa. I’m only in town for a little over 48 hours and we won’t make it this trip. My lady’s mother lives in Largo so we make it down a couple times a year. We have it on a to do list.

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    John Revolta says:

    @Mj_Oregon: The tree of Liberty is fertilized with snacks. Lots of tasty snacks.

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    chopper says:


    I have to hang my Obama jackboots up. all those years of throwing liberals under a bus has really fucked up my back.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    “They just took him and went,” Arden Bundy said, describing his brother David’s arrest in Utah. “They’re tearing our family apart.”

    I can’t see the problem. If anything, the Feds are doing their best to bring the family together.

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    Mj_Oregon says:

    @John Revolta: I guess, but a Mexican restaurant seems an odd choice for people whose views of our southern border security include private use of arms against the supposed brown horde flowing over said border. Irony, however, seems to be lost on most of the movement’s members from what I’ve read in the past few months.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: we’re forming a support group for you and Hip Hop.

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    Gex says:

    @Baud: Options to invite us to shut the hell up and fuck off, us assholes, probably.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Prescott Cactus: hmmm. I’ll check the embed codes when I get home.

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    @Adam L Silverman:

    I can leave other parts of the network in place, specifically if there is no reason to believe they pose a meaningful and immediate threat, then I can see how the network reforms itself.

    And try to infiltrate the new network.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: yes, let me dig in for you once I get home and I’ll shoot you a recommendation.

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    JPL says:

    @LAO: I like this feed, link, because she seems to retweet the important issues. No need to thank me. lol

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Roger Moore: yep

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    LAO says:

    @sm*t cl*de: no personal responsibility!

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    LAO says:

    @JPL: I’m going to thank you, even if you are an enabler! Thanks

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Thanks! If it helps, the character is an American who’s forced to relocate to England around that time. From what Origuy’s link says and other things I’ve read, it sounds like the British reaction would be, “War of 18-what now? We had troops over there, too?”

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    redshirt says:

    @Mnemosyne: So you’re writing a Hamilton fan fiction?

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Yes, and it takes place in a different country over 10 years after Hamilton died!

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @JPL: Oh yeah–that link is going straight into my veins….

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    redshirt says:

    @Mnemosyne: Hamilton Universe.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Napoleonic Wars universe. If I was writing about the French Revolution, that would be the same universe.

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    redshirt says:

    @Mnemosyne: Totally unrelated then!

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    as I said yesterday, the ONLY thing that makes me root for a us atty, is a right wing terrorist.

    I think I’d cheer for a bankster.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Pretty much, especially since it takes place in England, not the US.

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    japa21 says:

    One of the charges:

    Obstruction of the due administration of justice: up to 10 years

    Wouldn’t that also apply to the GOP senators who are obstructing the due administration of justice, Supreme Court style?

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    Keith G says:

    @Mnemosyne: @redshirt: The bullet wound wasn’t fatal and Alex was surreptitiously trundled off to Canada where he received top notch free medical care.

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    John Revolta says:

    @Mnemosyne: Zombie Alexander Hamilton! Brilliant!!

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @JPL: I’ll apologize for my snappishness last evening on the autoimmune topic. If you know of a surgical fix for R/R MS, I want to sign up.

    @Adam L Silverman: Don’t forget Steve in the ATL! What could we possibly have in common, other than our habit? We can be strong (or indulgent) together.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I’ll be fine…just a couple more hits of @AmandaPeacher and maybe a little High Country News….

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    LAO says:

    @Roger Moore: fair enough. Speaking for myself, as a defense attorney, it very difficult for me to root for the doj criminal division. Maybe if one as ever arrested, I could test my resolve. Lol

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    patroclus says:

    Ammon Bundy is funny, but I still prefer Jon Ritzheimer, with the “Daddy Swore an Oath” and “Stop sending us Dildos” viral videos. He’s hilarious!

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: You must have loved Daredevil then!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Prescott Cactus: It should be fixed now.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: I did. But then I have a weakness for men in tights. Lol. Seriously though, I used to live in Hell’s Kitchen and I am a practicing defense attorney . . . resemblance ends there -not blind and female.

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    LAO says:

    @patroclus: best comedy routines, ever!

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    Technocrat says:

    I just watched the first part of the video. What kind of man leaves his wife with 6 children so he can support a Cause?

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    Technocrat says:


    rresemblance ends there -not blind and female

    I notice you left out “no radar vision” – hmmmmm

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Eric S.: No worries. The food is excellent, its family owned, and the prices are excellent. It doesn’t have quite the number of choices as the big chains like Brazos de Texas, but it also doesn’t cost as much. Also, the flan is excellent and the sangria is very good.

    There’s an excellent, traditional Vietnamese restaurant about 1/4 mile north, on the west side of the same street wright next to the Pinellas Park Police Department Special Policing District Station.

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    LAO says:

    @Technocrat: There’s some weird Mormon angle here. God directed them. I don’t really get it but I did read about it awhile back.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @LAO: There are a lot of people in this world who need to find better gods. Mine, for instance, is totally not an asshole.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: I just sent you a PM with a couple of suggestions. Its not that the British would have looked at it as “we have troops there too?”, but rather that for the US it was primarily a Naval war.

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    LAO says:

    @Technocrat: @redshirt: season 2 premieres March 18th. Sadly, I know what I’m doing that weekend. It will involve my couch.

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    LAO says:

    @Steve in the ATL: neither is mine. She’s pretty laid back, her motto is don’t be a dick. TBH, She having a tough time with the republican presidential candidates.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): @Steve in the ATL: @LAO: We’ll get all of you signed up.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: You could do She-Hulk. She was an attorney. Can you lift a lot of weights? How do you think you’d look with green skin?

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    Technocrat says:


    Same here – couch. I love/hate the way you can/must binge series nowadays. It’s great – until you find an older series that runs to 8 seasons.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Only in the US do we take people who claim that their understanding of the Deity told them to do (what they wanted to do anyway) something seriously, rather than putting them under a 96 hold for evaluation. I don’t mean to disparage anyone’s sincerely held religious beliefs, but if you made these types of claims in any other advanced/developed country at best you’d be laughed at, at worst you’d be put away for your and everyone else’s safety.

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I used to work out religiously before my last Crohn’s attack and most people who know me would probably agree I’d look better green (I’m the palest white person ever). I could use a career change. God knows, I’m angry enough! Lol

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    Steeplejack (phone) says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Why not post publicly for all who may be interested?

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: The Punisher is one of the greatest comic characters opposed to the justice system ever created; why shouldn’t he just kill all the bad guys?

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    @Adam L Silverman: I have been following Twitter feeds of some journalists and politicians in India. People insult each other using mythological characters from the Puranas and Ramayana and Mahabharata, also too Hindi movies. Its quite funny actually.

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: When I was in college (a thousand years ago) I wrote a thesis around the idea that most of the greatest evil or atrocities were committed in the name of God/religion. I always regretted not studying that further. What really bothers me today, is that religious beliefs are used to inflict harm, sometimes petty, sometimes great, on the weakest or least protected in our society. Like the great bathroom witch hunt direct at trans folk. If I were queen of America, I would ban religion.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Steeplejack (phone): Here you go:

    The second one was written by a young Theodore Roosevelt and focuses on the Naval war.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: my geekiness is limited. Not so familiar with the punisher.

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: You’ll meet him in Daredevil Season 2.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: excellent. Now I’m googling him.

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    Technocrat says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Here’s a baffling question about the first cover…what outfit, worn as a normal woman, would rip that like when she Hulks out?

    It has to be a onesie. Why was she wearing a onesie under her clothes?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: What I think is so interesting about religion in the US is:
    1) its a mile wide, but only a few inches deep.
    2) By (partially) separating religion and state, the Framers created a free market for religion. This required religious groups, especially the Protestant ones, and even more especially the made in American ones, to really hustle to sell their product. All those that argue we should entangle religion and the state don’t seem to understand that by doing so, they’d destroy the largely unregulated free market for religion that allows them to thrive.

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    Miss Bianca says:


    The British response was mainly irritation, because it distracted the Army and the Navy from what they considered the real theater of war in Europe. Also some trauma, on the part of the Royal Navy, because until the Shannon took the Chesapeake in 1813, the American Navy was thumping the RN in one-on-one actions, which was, shall we say, psychologically damaging to the British, who were very used to being the lords of the sea. And on the part of the Army as well, because some of Wellington’s best troops were in America at the time that Napoleon escaped St Helena.

    If it weren’t going to be starting you in the middle of the series, I’d suggest one of Patrick O’Brian’s Aubrey/Maturin books, The Fortune of War, to get a taste of British reaction – or at least, British Naval reaction. Yes, it’s fiction, but its historical accuracy is matchless.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: She usually starts out in matching skirt and jacket suits, but they don’t often remain intact for very long.

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    redshirt says:

    @Technocrat: Well, this touches upon the greatest enigma in all comics: Hulk’s pants.

    Realistically there’s no way the Hulk should ever be wearing pants. But modesty forbids the harsh truth.

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    Technocrat says:


    Not that it alters your point, but I’d argue that a certain degree of fervor in any cause is effectively religious. Tell me people on the right don’t treat The Flag and Eagle as religious symbols.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: @redshirt: Or you can watch the Thomas Jane movie of him. Filmed, by the way, in Tampa. It was not too bad an adaptation.

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: Long story short: Special forces guy who loses his family to a mob hit and enacts extra-judicial revenge.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Technocrat: I think it was a woman’s fitted dress shirt/blouse. The type she’d wear to court with a matching jacket/skirt.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Agreed. Not that bad. Not very good either.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: Reed Richard’s unstable molecules.

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Awesome, thanks!

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    GregB says:

    I read By the Dawn’s Early Light by Walter Lord. Pretty readable and informative.

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    LAO says:

    @efgoldman: there is nothing that isn’t improved by Monty Python. thank you

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: It was better than the Dolph Lundgren one. Did you ever see the Thomas Jane follow up vid he made:

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I’ve never really though about your 2d point. I’m now thinking. On a Friday night. About religion. This is disturbing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: Happy to help. I’m better with the Great Rebellion, know d/b/a The Civil War, and Vietnam, and the Revolutionary War, but these would be the two I’d start with.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Light shabbos candles, say a hamotzi, you’re good to go…

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    LAO says:

    @Technocrat: absolutely. It infuriates me. Symbols should never replace or supplant the ideals they represent. example: flag burning, you may not like it but it is an expression of the 1st amendment. And we are a better country when we tolerate unpopular political speech.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Did you watch any of last night’s debate? If so, do you wish to reconsider?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Technocrat: If she’s not Daredevil, maybe she’s Elektra?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Gravenstone: Elektra isn’t an attorney.

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    Technocrat says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    If that’s a fitted shirt, we’re talking about a Gamma-irradiated Basic Instinct situation. So it’s probably not a shirt. Maybe she was headed to a pool party after court?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Shulkie in a bikini? That works.

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You’re awfully charitable. Not sure dick references qualifies as political speech.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Technocrat: Oops, you’re right. Went back and looked at it. That’s from issue #1, so its not one of the women’s fitted dress shirts. I think you’re correct that its a onesie.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: I think the real problem with the whole thing is that they’ve been telling women that six inches is actually a foot for decades, so their ability to actually measure anything is skewed.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: As a former ” mob lawyer,” that’s a seriouly overused trope. Lol

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    Jack Canuck says:


    Canadian author/historian Pierre Berton wrote a two-volume history of the war. I remember reading it years ago and quite liking it, but couldn’t tell you much specific anymore aside from the fact that I think it told the story largely from the Canadian/British perspective. Here’s a link to the publisher’s blurb:

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    Gravenstone says:

    @redshirt: Inspired by a mediocre action adventure novel series.. Actually, the early books weren’t terrible for their genre. But the novelty wore thin quickly.

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    steve herl says:

    This guy thinks he’s another MLK???

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Now I’m thinking about dicks! You’re really messing with me man. First God and religion and now all the deluded men I’ve encountered over the years. Lol😭

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    Technocrat says:


    At least in the John Wick movie it was about revenge for his puppy.

    You don’t mess with a man’s puppy.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I know, just trying to stay in the series.

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    LAO says:

    @Technocrat: that’s awesome. I would kill for my dog.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: All part of the service…

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    Mnemosyne says:


    They actually did used to make women’s onesies that were a dress blouse sewed to panties so your shirt always stayed tucked. I don’t know if that’s supposed to be one of them or if they just needed a way to keep all of the bits covered so as not to incur the wrath of the Comics Code authorities.

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    Feudalism Now! says:

    More professional She-Hulk on the courthouse steps.

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    Technocrat says:


    Probably the second explained away as the first :)

    BTW, I’d buy one of those in a hot second. I hate retucking with the tucked shirt.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Mnemosyne: In later years its clearly a fitted dress shirt as it has a collar on it.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Sadly, psychiatry provides a specific religious exemption:
    The DSM IV:

    A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly sustained despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not one ordinarily accepted by other members of the person’s culture or subculture (e.g., it is not an article of religious faith)



    A false belief based on incorrect inference about external reality that is firmly held despite what almost everyone else believes and despite what constitutes incontrovertible and obvious proof or evidence to the contrary. The belief is not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person’s culture or subculture (i.e., it is not an article of religious faith). When a false belief involves a value judgment, it is regarded as a delusion only when the judgment is so extreme as to defy credibility. Delusional conviction can sometimes be inferred from an overvalued idea (in which case the individual has an unreasonable belief or idea but does not hold it as firmly as is the case with a delusion). (DSM-5, p.819)

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: Maybe, but a comics character who’s just straight up killing everyone is a different type of “hero”.
    He’s not a hero at all, of course, even if he’s only offing mob or ninja mob guys.

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    Technocrat says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    I’m going to go with your earlier answer of “Unstable Molecules” for how that skirt and blouse stay together. Buttons…Admantium?

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I get that this will work but would appreciate a reference to confirm.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    By (partially) separating religion and state, the Framers created a free market for religion.

    Interesting thesis. There is no problem that market forces can’t solve, not even religion!

    While there are myriad religions out there with endless variations, I fell like the one thing everyone agrees on is that the Book of Leviticus is the greatest and most important of all.

    (yes, that is sarcasm. It reads like the micromanaging rant of the most petty, strict, irrational asshole priest in the whole church. Though I could be wrong–perhaps wearing a wool/cotton blend is in fact evil enough to damn your soul to Hell for eternity.)

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    All those that argue we should entangle religion and the state don’t seem to understand much that by doing so, they’d destroy the largely unregulated free market for religion that allows them to thrive.


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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @LAO: Isn’t it? My excuse is a nasty head cold and Mr. Q forgot to grab tea on the way home from the office. So I’m drinking hot water, lemon, honey, and salt.

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    LAO says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I appreciate that you have attempted to draw back the thread from an in depth discussion of how she-hulk’s clothes don’t disintegrate when she transforms. lol.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: I know that her Fantastic Four uniform and the purple and white workout singlet are, if I’m recalling correctly, made from Richard’s unstable molecules. The shirt from She-Hulk #1 would definitely not be made from unstable molecules.

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    LAO says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): feel better. That sounds terrible. The head cold.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I saw it and liked it. I like Dolph and all his work.

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    Technocrat says:


    Pfft. They have merely postponed resolution of said mystery. The truth shall be known.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I need proof that Bruce Banner is wearing such a fabric.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Its the one with the bulk of the commandments. And the majority of them had to do with what the priests and their assistants were supposed to do in the Temple. All of it is completely superfluous today as we have no Temple. And the ultra, ultra devout nutters that think rebuilding it is a good idea, all of whom are ultra zealous devotees of rabbinic Judaism cannot seem to understand that rebuilding the Temple means abandoning Judaism and returning to Hebraic sacrificial practices. This is not a viable option.

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    Zinsky says:

    I just keep coming back to the fact that if a group of armed Black Panthers or an armed Latino street gang would have taken over a federal building, they would have been turned into a pile of goulash within minutes by federal marshals and SWAT teams. This is white privilege in its most sickening form and these reptiles need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: ninja mob guys? I’ve really been missing out. The guys I know are all fat, wear Fila sweat suits and are largely dumber than a box of rocks.

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    LAO says:

    @Zinsky: I get it. But these charges aren’t about malheur. There about the 2014 standoff in Nevada.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: You need proof that a fictional character is wearing pants made from a fictional fabric?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Zinsky: No need to imagine it, we know what happens:

    A group of African Americans tried to reclaim their historic land/homes in 1979. Their endeavor didn’t last long.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: @Technocrat: We can multitask!

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    We have reached peak geek. I never thought I’d live to see it.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Yes? I need Book and Page reference. I’m not sure what universe you come from when you don’t understand that from the start….

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @LAO: The geek stuff is well out of my wheelhouse. Thanks for the good wishes. I’ll soldier on, and may perhaps add a shot to my sorta tea in a bit.

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    redshirt says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): The Norse Gods are real in the Marvel universe and Thor is dating Natalie Portman.

    She’s a bigtime scientist.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: Have you read American Gods By Neil Gaiman? I enjoyed it

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: I did and also enjoyed it. Have you ever heard of The Sandman?

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: yes but I haven’t read any, yet. I take it you’d recommend.

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: Absolutely. But it’s expensive to read – like 200$ back in the day. Now? A graphic novel series with each book about ?$.

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    Mnemosyne says:


    If you liked “American Gods,” you would also like Gaiman’s Sandman series. He does a lot of similar play with myths and archetypes, though a little more specifically focused on Greek mythology.

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    redshirt says:

    @Mnemosyne: American Gods comes well after Sandman and is a pale imitation, really.

    No relation to be clear.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: Happy now:

    Mr. Fantastic later created a pair of super-stretchy pants for the Hulk made from Unstable Molecules.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: They’ve just done the casting for that. McShane is playing Mr. Wednesday.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: @redshirt: 12.99 in softcover, 9.99 for Kindle:

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    Zinsky says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Adam – thanks for the link. Well, I guess they weren’t reduced to goulash, but the black squatters weren’t armed either. Still, you get my point. The Malheur assholes aren’t patriots – they are criminals.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: Also:

    Q: Did you ever try to make sense of the Hulk’s magical purple pants? Why did they always conveniently remain intact while the rest of his clothes were ripped to shreds?

    Stan Lee: I just figured that Bruce Banner had probably been a friend of Reed Richards [Mr. Fantastic from the Fantastic Four], and Reed had given him some elastic trousers. There’s an explanation for everything, but you may not be technically advanced enough to follow me on all of this.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Zinsky: I do get your point. I’m also not contesting it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: All it took was a keyword search of: “are bruce banner’s pants made by reed richards?”

    This isn’t rocket science or anything…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: We aim to please… Can’t have your weekend start off on the wrong ripped, purple pant leg now can we?

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    Miss Bianca says:

    @redshirt: @LAO:

    Library. Get it from the library. “Sandman” has been put into a single-book volume. (I bought it for our library, but sadly, it got borrowed and…never returned. Same with Reid Fleming, World’s Toughest Milkman, the bastids. But I digress. Some library will have it.)

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: not laughing because I thought it was difficult to find answer. Laughing because you felt compelled to look for the answer. I admire your perseverance and wide body of arcane/odd knowledge. Seriously, not mocking.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Well, original Hulk would have been naked for many years, one assumes, until Richards intervenes.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: I know you weren’t poking fun at me. I have research OCD. Its partially what makes me good at what I do, but it also means I want to know everything and I want to know it now.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @LAO: And he’ll arrange support groups! Happy weekend all. Time to guzzle some cough syrup and rack out.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: There is simply no pleasing you…

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: now I feel like a shit.

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    redshirt says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It’s the true horror of the Hulk we don’t have to experience in 2016 we should be thankful for. Among other wonders.

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    LAO says:

    @Miss Bianca: I love libraries. Will check it out…an unintended pun. Now I know I’m tired.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: Speak for yourself. Naked hulk would have drawn in a very large audience. No delusions there, I bet.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: Why? I knew you weren’t poking fun at me, and even if you do, like the Hulk, I have a thick skin – though a much more even temper. So no need to feel bad at all.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @LAO: And as I linked in comment 177, its available at Amazon in hardcover, softcover, and for kindle:

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    Mnemosyne says:


    Dude, I have Sandman comics that I purchased in first run. You are not the only one who’s read them. Mix in a glass of water once in a while.

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I would never poke fun at the man who supplies me with my regular bundy fix. Thanks again for an interesting post and very entertaining (geeky) thread. Have a good night!

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    LAO says:

    @Adam L Silverman: lmao. One of my favorite movies.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: The Internet was made for this generation.

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    LAO says:

    @redshirt: other way around. The internet made this generation.

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    redshirt says:

    @LAO: Chicken or egg brah.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: Short attention span theater.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @redshirt: Just how old do you think I am or am not?

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    Technocrat says:


    Accessing a global library from a handheld device was literally science fiction when I was a teenager. Weird that I take it for granted now.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @efgoldman: Taoist? Perhaps. Chasidic? Not so much.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Do as I do. Keep a portrait of yourself in the attic. It works, mate!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: That works too.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Hey, the highlight* of my grandmother’s funeral a couple of years ago was the tendency of people to assume that I was the younger of my dad’s sons. I am the elder by more than six years.

    *You know what I mean.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I’m tracking.

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    karen marie says:

    tl;dr all the comments but searched them for “welfare” and didn’t find it, so I will mention that the thing the Bundys accomplished was providing the general public with at least some degree of understanding that they and their fellow travelers are a bunch of welfare queens complaining they can’t use land they don’t own for free instead of a steeply discounted rate. The lack of self-awareness and degree of selfishness is oversized.

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    Steeplejack says:

    @Miss Bianca:

    I second the recommendation of the O’Brian novel, even though it is in the middle of the series. Also of interest to Mnemosyne would be O’Brian’s Jane Austen-level depiction of British society at the time.

    The Aubrey/Maturin series is a towering achievement.

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