Iowa GOP Chair @kaufmannGOP just said turnout 180k. That means turnout topped 2012 record by 50%. pic.twitter.com/yiXYLDHVdP
— Dave Price (@idaveprice) February 2, 2016
Well, give Trump credit for boosting turnout.
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) February 2, 2016
Iowa Republicans continue their history of picking un-electable conservatives
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) February 2, 2016
Cruz reminding America that they have chosen a boring conventional psycho over a horrifyingly amusing psycho
— Sarah Kendzior (@sarahkendzior) February 2, 2016
And the RNC gets two! hot new conspiracy theories for all their money & troubles…
My favorite new hashtag, from Trump supporters: #MicrosoftRubioFraud. I'm not making this up, it's real and it's wonderful.
— Jeff B/DDHQ (@EsotericCD) February 2, 2016
.@SwiftOnEconomia Rubio never polled above 12%. As soon as his donor Microsoft counts votes, Rubio immediately doubles to 23%. Beyond fishy.
— Deus Ex Machina (@Prescient1111) February 2, 2016
We've known since yesterday that the #IowaCaucus was rigged. No way Trump loses a fair election! https://t.co/MhPVItmKRJ
— Mike Cernovich (@Cernovich) February 2, 2016
Of course, I personally savor the embarrassment of Bar Bush’s Second Favorite Son…
Jeb Bush is projecting to win one Iowa caucus vote for every $25,000 spent by Right to Rise. https://t.co/r2tI2Y0rV1
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 2, 2016
Not a lot of Twitter chatter about Jeb!'s speech but then the only one who could see it is Haley Joel Osment.
— Tony!ToniTone! Stark (@StarkTTT) February 2, 2016
Jeb Bush's Super PAC still has 58 million dollars. How about if they just donate it to fixing Flint?
— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) February 2, 2016
Looks like Reince Preibus may be able to discontinue the kiddy-table undercard debates, or can he?…
Santorum staying in. New email from his campaign: "Santorum Starts 46 County Tour in South Carolina" this week
— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 2, 2016
What happened to Christie? Had a real network, late help from Branstad and spent real time here in Jan. But he got less than Kasich!
— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) February 2, 2016
Christie’s stated goal was to do best among governors in IA https://t.co/gT75gyPV2T
He finished behind Jeb, Kasich, probably Huck(!)
— Brett LoGiurato (@BrettLoGiurato) February 2, 2016
Damn this turnout. Rubio in third, 23%, with 42,577 votes. Huckabee got 2000 fewer votes in 2008 — won with 34%.
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) February 2, 2016
Chip Englander, campaign mgr for Rand Paul, tells WaPo that Ron Paul has been busy all day on trail, rousing past supporters for his son
— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 1, 2016
Carson adviser Ed Brookover calls: “He’ll simply spend one night at home, no truth to rumors” of pending drop out
— Robert Costa (@costareports) February 2, 2016
If you perform worse than Carson, you should have to drop out. Just out of self respect. https://t.co/PWi0Qs42b2
— Bethany Albertson (@AlbertsonB2) February 2, 2016
… Oh, that second conspiracy theory?
Carson Accuses Cruz Camp of Foul Play; Told Voters Carson Was Dropping Out… https://t.co/9OTpZ9k5hG
— DRUDGE REPORT (@DRUDGE_REPORT) February 2, 2016
@idaveprice Will #Iowa #Certify a Non-Natural Born Citizen On Feb29 we'll SEE,MAYBE #NO,#Alabama,#Illinois #Florida #NO? CourtsCud #DENY
— tommy4usa (@tommy4usa) February 2, 2016
It’s the Game of Porcelain Thrones!…
Most important Qs on the GOP side: 1. Who does Trump thing is a bigger threat:Rubio or Cruz? 2.What does Right to Rise do re Rubio in NH/SC?
— Dan Pfeiffer (@danpfeiffer) February 2, 2016
omg, @AndrewStilesUSA pic.twitter.com/MNGkjP9hWN
— Matthew (@Matthops82) February 2, 2016
To the pro-ethanol lobby folks who got me booted from a campaign-in-waiting last year, may I simply say "HA!"
— Liz Mair (@LizMair) February 2, 2016
Bush, Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz
Iowa: Where Even the Winners are Losers
— Bob Schooley (@Rschooley) February 2, 2016
We're laughing now, but wait until Trump murders Martin O'Malley on stage to recapture the media spotlight
— Yair Rosenberg (@Yair_Rosenberg) February 2, 2016
Balconesfault
The Trump supporters / Rubio / Microsoft kerfuffle is a joy to behold!
Guachi
Counting raw vote totals I get Clinton ahead by a few hundred votes. So the precinct level delegate percentages and the raw vote percentages are quite close.
amk
Is M$ were into such shenanigans, wouldn’t they have at least made sure that the aqua boy finished second?
David *Rafael* Koch
@Anne Laurie:
BWHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHHA
Tuesday’s Front Page: Dead Clown Walking
David *Rafael* Koch
BWHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA (via Trix)
➡️ Loser.com redirects to Trump’s Wikipedia page.
Major Major Major Major
@David *Rafael* Koch: just don’t google Santorum.
amk
Going by the tone of his concession speech, I think donald dreck is finally realizing that bombast, blather, blatant racism and personal insults as a campaign strategy would only take him thus far and no more?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
Only 1 more precinct left now. It’s in Polk County, where Clinton leads 53.3-46.
Nemo_N
Well this is a new one; CNN talking heads/hosts making fun of dems for not having a winner, unlike the great repugs and Clear Winner Ted Cruz.
Peter
That concerns me a little. Does anyone know the turnout on the Dem side?
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Nemo_N: Liberal Media Bias
fuckwit
I may be Feeling the Bern, however…
there are also a bunch of people Smelling the Santorum.
They’ve got a frothy mixture going on.
amk
@Nemo_N:
The teann talking head idjits had their mouths firmly up dreck’s ass 24×7 till today and now they are kissing ted crud’s?
scav
@Nemo_N: ah yes, that clear victory involving massive turnout where about 25% voted for not the top three. Such a demonstration of clear minded singular purpose and preference — it’s that mandate again.
BGinCHI
Strange to wake up and see all the results at once. Iowa, congratulations: you are truly batshit crazy.
I honestly can’t believe we let IA and NH go first in this every time.
TPM is doing a depressing Dems=Sad, GOP=Optimistic dance, with no big-picture context.
Hey Josh: IOWA never picks winners. It confirms conservative myopia in both parties. Esp the GOP.
My only worry is HRC’s inability to get younger voters, but I think that she will convince them in the long run.
What the GOP is in for now is a Civil War. Trump was, I think, actually keeping a lid on it. Now it’s game on.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
BREAKING
(NPR) – 4:06 AM EST — Hillary wins Iowa.
177k turnout, 2nd highest behind 2008 per Iowa Dem Party
Hands Sanders surprise stunning defeat.
#YasQueen!
David *Rafael* Koch
https://twitter.com/DomenicoNPR/status/694446666011770884
Kropadope
@fuckwit:
They must’ve gotten a good whiff yesterday, then decided to stay away. He came in absolute last place.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
gene108
@Peter:
The GOP turnout has me worried. Obama only won by 5%-6% margins. Swing the popular vote by 2% to 3% and you have another election close enough for the GOP to steal via the SCOTUS.
gene108
@BGinCHI:
From what I’ve seen of today’s youth, they have a super strong distrust of authority.
Whether it’s doctors “working for Big Pharma” telling them to vaccinate their kids, or government in the pocket of Big Agriculture allowing GMO foods to “potentially kill them in their sleep”, the youth vote just does not trust anything that seems like it is “establishment” and Hillz has become the embodiment of the establishment.
When the kids these days agree with Bernie that the system is rigged, they are not just referring to income inequality, but pretty much everything we’ve come to take for granted as generally working well more times than it breaks down, such as the FDA or EPA, etc.
EZSmirkzz
I’m a firm believer in the Biblical proverb of not putting on one’s armor for battle and talking as if one were taking it off afterwards.
When it comes to the talking heads Democrats need to at least acknowledge the built in biases of the major networks, after all Wall Street is a major economic plus for the city and its’ residents, most of the anchors and pundits are the 1%ers, no full disclosure for them! So Bernie’s going to get short shrift. Hillary needs to learn to be assertive without being shrill. Hate to say it but that is a major turn off, so she needs work there.
Trump needs to leave twitter verse in the twitterverse, old farts and the off grid tend to find bad mouthing other people a turn off, the more consistent the talk the greater the distaste. Don’t under-estimate Cruz’s political instincts and chops either. Rubio has the better rep for general election positioning.
That having been said, I would really have to spend more time in the intertubes digging around researching to get into more nuanced, analysis, which at this point I have no intentions of doing.
The only sure thing is that after the conventions there will be two candidates and their respective parties will fall in line behind them as they always do, and the independents/public will for the most part make or break the candidates. Most of those will be low information voters, so emotional appeals will carry more weight than intellectual appeals.
As usual in these things, YMMV
Cacti
@gene108:
And he’s promising free college, $15 minimum wage, and universal healthcare.
I’m surprised he hasn’t thrown in ice cream for every meal and pony rides.
bin Lurkin'
Iowan yoot, 18-29 are going for Sanders by 70% according to New York Magazine.
That’s yoooge!
That Onion piece about the Clinton campaign torching Iowa town to stop advancing Sanders volunteers becomes even funnier.
BGinCHI
@Cacti: Investing in young people via education and better wages should be what we are doing, so I don’t blame Sanders for that.
What I think they get from him is a sense of optimism and a shift in investment from the haves to the have-nots.
My favorite thing about Sanders is sticking it to the fucking Baby Boomers, America’s worst ever generation.
BGinCHI
@gene108: It’s IOWA!
Step away from the coverage.
BGinCHI
@gene108: I don;t think this is unusual. It’s just that now we have a bigger magnifying glass to see what people are saying and thinking, via social media. It’s a leveler of opinion, if not influence.
The key is participation. If someone can get under-30 voters to actually vote, that will be significant.
gene108
@EZSmirkzz:
I have heard this is a problem with many women in positions of authority; they just cannot fine tune the line between being authoritative and shrill, unlike men.
@Cacti:
We’d technically have universal healthcare now, if Roberts had not poisoned the PPACA by having the Medicaid expansion opt out and so many states are run by asshole Republicans that it has become an impediment to achieving universal healthcare.
If states had not slashed funding to colleges and universities, relatively low cost higher education could still be attainable. I’m not sure how Bernie’s plan for free state run college attendance will not just go to further bad behavior at the state level.
I can get behind the $15/hr minimum wage.
I think it is something Democrats, as a whole, should get behind.
gene108
@BGinCHI:
I have not been following the coverage at all, until I woke this morning and tuned into Balloon-Juices excellent reporting.
Cacti
@BGinCHI:
Promising lots of pie in the sky you can’t possibly deliver isn’t an investment in young people. It’s a bottle of snake oil.
When your answer to how you’ll get all of your big ideas into place is “revolution,” you’re basically full of crap.
eldorado
now sanders just needs to start talking about student debt forgiveness
bin Lurkin'
The same people who were predicting a big Clinton win are now spinning like a brand spanking new pulsar.
Blip, blip, blip….
Clinton’s best move now will be to try and discourage the yoot vote.
Zinsky
I am delighted Cruz won in Iowa, since history tells us the winner there ends up being a bad radio talk show host instead of president.
Cacti
@bin Lurkin’:
Congrats on the “revolution” finishing a close second.
OzarkHillbilly
Remember folks, It’s Iowa. You get what you pay for.
Zinsky
On the Dem side, I think it shows “Clinton fatigue” is real.
gene108
@BGinCHI:
I think the assumption that vaccines will hurt your kids or the FDA is trying to poison you, for the sake of corporate profits, is a shift in trusting the establishment. Part of the appeal of Sanders is he’s not going to appoint. deal with, or give the time of day to people, who are “corporate” and “establishment”
He proclaims to eschews anything to do with for-profit corporations or people, who make profits, but at some point the folks, who have a handle on how the economy works do have ties to profit making entities.
If Sanders is elected President, who is he going to appoint to run things? Maybe raid academia to fill out Cabinet positions and other regulatory agency positions?
Because outside of academia most people, who know how things work, at a high level, have industry experience and the first person Sanders appoints that has industry experience will break the “trust” he’s built with his supporters.
I personally feel this is the most confusing thing about Sanders whole approach. Even established Democratic policy people, who worked under Bill Clinton or Barack Obama, probably are not pure enough for the world envisioned by Bernie supporters.
Applejinx
@BGinCHI: Actually, Hillary’s best play at this point is to discourage or disenfranchise younger votes to stop them from getting in her way. Why do you think the BernieBros thing has been so heavily hyped? That negative spin isn’t directed at old people.
Hillary must now keep new voters OUT and trust that there are enough existing Democrats to squeak out a win against whatever shitbag the Republicans run. I see that the media wants to have Rubio run against her, because he’s considerably younger.
BGinCHI
@Cacti: So if you were Sanders running for President you wouldn’t promise things you believe in unless you could absolutely deliver them?
A candidate saying things that might not be completely deliverable??
Impossible!
Come on. I think HRC is the best candidate in order to thrash the GOP and move us incrementally forward in a time in which 30% (to be charitable) of the American population is fucking crazy. But…I want Sanders to push progressive ideas. The are NOT going to come from HRC’s “advisors,” are they?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Cacti:
It’s unicorn rides, silly.
Applejinx
@Cacti: Universal healthcare is cheaper, free college is NOTHING compared to what we spend on the military or corporate subsidies and loopholes, and a $15/hr minimum wage is nearly the least we could do to keep things going.
Let’s not get snowed into accepting Republican framing about what’s possible and how things should work. These are the same deficit hawks who don’t understand the first thing about macroeconomics because they’re actually covering for a policy of bailing banks and letting them gamble with public money.
Cacti
@Applejinx:
Or, she could just continue to win outright.
“Virtual tie” is a nice way of saying close loss.
BGinCHI
@gene108: Agreed. We have a disjuncture here between how things actually work day-to-day and how things might be “revolutionized.”
What is the path to making real change at a fundamental level? I don’t know the answer, but if you want it, you do have to start somewhere.
What I would rather see is the Democratic Party investing in political change at the STATE level while also keeping things going at the executive level. Education and many other services are delivered at the state level and the GOP is hurting people there at an alarming rate.
The best thing about Sanders is rattling the status quo. But I don’t know how that translates into material change. I hope HRC has answers to that.
bin Lurkin'
Y’all might recall that Obama ~mocked~ mandates in 2008.
Over promising isn’t exactly a new phenomenon limited to grumpy shouty old atheist Jewish socialists.
BillinGlendaleCA
@BGinCHI:
Guess you’ve never met the Silent Generation.
amk
@gene108:
the gop, for all their 24×7 scare mongering about obama, isis, terrists etc. and ably supported by msm in spreading their lies, had around 180k. dems had about 180k. so scary, how?
BGinCHI
@Applejinx: “Best play”?
I don’t feel as cynical about her, though I think she sucks at surrounding herself with people who can see past narrow, partisan wins.
I hope she pivots to the issues Sanders is raising, if not via the same political solutions.
Applejinx
@Zinsky: Cruz AND Clinton won. Let’s be clear on that. Clinton won, particularly among old people and superdelegates. It needs to ALL be about the old people and superdelegates, for her, at this point, because the margin of victory is not hyoooge.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@BGinCHI: If free college and free medical is so easy, why haven’t they passed it in deep, deep blue Vermont?
bin Lurkin'
@BGinCHI:
Certainly Hillary has answers to that, starting with BETTER IDEAS WILL NEVER EVER COME TO PASS YEAAARRRGHH!!
Inspirational I tell you, sent chills down my spine.
amk
@Applejinx:
“disenfranchise younger votes ”
you are confusing gop with hillary.
David *Rafael* Koch
@bin Lurkin’: Not. True.
For the last six months I’ve been predicting a Sanders victory – ever since he took the lead in NH in August.
Just 11 days ago Sanders was leading Iowa by 8 pts in CNN’s poll.
BGinCHI
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Who said it was easy?
Cacti
@BillinGlendaleCA:
The Civil Rights movement was a victory of the Silent Generation, that the Boomers falsely claim as theirs.
gene108
@BGinCHI:
I think this whole notion that Sanders is the only way to push the debate to the Left is a disservice to President Obama and Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Framing the debate as between enforcing the status quo of income inequality via Hillary Clinton versus trying to do something about it via Bernie Sanders is incorrect.
I think the Democratic Party has over the last 8 years begun to embrace a more liberal position on policy.
Sanders views are nothing more than a means to an end goal.
The end goal of less income inequality, universal affordable healthcare, etc. are things shared by most anyone in the Democratic Party today.
The debate between Hillary and Bernie should be about, whose approach will work best, as their goals are almost identical, but I feel the debate as devolved into “Bernie is our only hope” and “Hillary will sell our children out to Goldman Sachs or the highest bidder.”
Cacti
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
The sticker shock of single payer nearly put a Republican in the Governor’s chair in Vermont.
BGinCHI
@bin Lurkin’: I guess she is running for President in 2016 and not in 2056.
Althea
I just can’t criticize Sanders. I’ve loved him for years. That doesn’t mean I’m not voting for Hilz. I had to move past her vote to invade Iraq, which stunned and then angered me. I’d like to see her emphasize the fact that she’s been dealing with rabid republicans for years and therefore, she knows how to handle the psycho Congress. Bernie can’t do it. She’s the kind of fighter we need.
Applejinx
@BGinCHI: Yeah, that’s pretty much my concern.
It’d be nice if she saw this as the Overton Window rocketing leftward. I’ve argued pretty persuasively in the past that Hillary will want to think of her legacy and will scramble to the left like mad whilst triangulating.
The darker scenario is if we just pissed her off. What woke me up and didn’t let me go back to sleep this morning was the vision of Hillary pulling out a win through old school party politics and superdelegates and such, and then punishing the moonbats for sullying her coronation. I saw a picture where she looked worried but pissed.
We could be ruining liberalism for her by taking it too seriously. Maybe it’s supposed to be just words and then behind the scenes it’s a matter of keeping the banks and corporations going, because they’re the GDP and without that America slips relative to other countries and it starts an economic death spiral.
Legitimate point of view, except that isn’t how you boost GDP. Bernie’s general attitude is how you boost GDP, because there’s no such thing as trickle-down economics as we’ve now demonstrated in practice for decades. It’s trickle up, and it wouldn’t take much to get things humming again but we don’t GET much, we’re not getting anything.
Somehow I don’t think Clinton is going to come out of this all socialist and stuff. I’d be delighted if I was right months ago, and that she’s thinking of her legacy and correctly reading the zeitgeist, but I think she’d rather be partisan and double down on her old school Democrat bonafides. And that means neoliberal at best.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Cacti: True, most of the leaders in the Civil Rights movement were either from the Silent Generation OR the Greatest Generation. You can also thank both for giving us Ronald Reagan.
gene108
@amk:
In 2008 and 2012 Dem turn out was greater than Republican turn out. If Republicans can even out turnout, they can make this election much closer than the 2008 or 2012 contests.
Cacti
@Applejinx:
What are you on about? Superdelegates didn’t vote in the caucuses.
And believe it or not, people over 30 get to vote too, and most of them aren’t going to swoon at the promise of tuition free college, since many of them are making monthly student loan payments for their already completed education.
BGinCHI
@gene108: I agree with you, but if it was only Hilary, with no one to the left running against her, the media would be framing the whole election along the lines of GOP talking points.
They are already doing this, but Sanders is a check against that, however imperfect it is being done.
The danger here is that a Sanders candidacy jumps from aspirational to real, and that we get a candidate who can’t win the general. Because the bottom line HAS to be defeating the GOP. Period.
If Sanders is creating expectations on the left that are taking Obama’s agenda and stretching it out to where it would go in the future (or with control of both houses of Congress), then I think that’s salutary. If it brings young people into the process, even better. It will certainly make the GOP look out of touch and crazy.
BGinCHI
@Applejinx: Correct and unfortunately depressing.
Realpolitik is real politics.
Still…wayyy better than the GOP alternative.
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: You forget we are the spawn of Satan.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@BGinCHI: isn’t sanders saying he’ll pass free college and free medical if elected? if it is as easy as an election, then why hasn’t Vermont done it.
BGinCHI
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Because he isn’t the Boss of Vermont?
You do know that people who run for office promise shit they don’t always deliver on?
See Obama, Barack, et al.
bin Lurkin'
@BGinCHI:
Sanders also has the 30-44 cohort by a fairly substantial percentage, about 20 looking at the graphs in the article.
To me the big difference between Sanders and Obama is that I don’t think Sanders would shut down his people organization after he gets elected should that come to pass, rather he would encourage it to build on successes of the past and work for more in the future.
BGinCHI
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch: Also, for the record, I support HRC’s incremental approach because I want pragmatism and a drubbing of the GOP. But I want Sanders to fight the good fight because the media in this country need a goddamned lesson in progressive ideas.
That’s probably naive, but I don’t see anyone else stepping up to offer those aspirational ideas, do you?
BillinGlendaleCA
@OzarkHillbilly: Oh, that’s right; I’ve never quite understood why.
amk
@gene108:
2008 was an exceptional year. 2012 obama was unopposed.
with all the ‘yuuge rallies’ of trump touted by him as well as msm, it wasn’t that big a turnout for the goppers. and in the end, many turned out to stop him. gop is in much more disarray than the dems.
Cacti
@David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch:
Vermont minimum wage: $9.60, and scheduled to increase to $10.50 by 2018
Vermont public colleges and universities: not tuition free
Vermont single payer experiment: DOA
That’s in one of the bluest states in the union.
BGinCHI
@bin Lurkin’: Interesting point. I also think the question is whether they will shut him down when he can’t deliver quickly on all the things he promised.
I don’t blame him for running on those kinds of ideas….but setting the bar too high to get over is going to make some people turn on him. For some people politics is magic and not process.
BillinGlendaleCA
@BGinCHI:
Maybe that’s why the yoots are disenchanted with “the Establishment”.
gene108
@BGinCHI:
Dems have been falling apart at the state level for as long as I can remember.
The problem Democrats have at the state level is their national Party leaders can easily be pilloried as the second coming of Satan in many states, so you have state wide office holders trying to thread a needle between being true to the Democratic platform but not seen as being part of the evil Obama-Pelosi-Reid-Clinton machine.
Until Democrats can really get behind an agenda, at both the national and state levels, I think it will be hard to come up with a way to rebuild at the state level as enthusiasm for a national figure, like President Obama, will not be translated into down ticket votes.
BGinCHI
@gene108: Right. Add to that seriously entrenched, corrupt state parties and you have a lot of uphill battles.
Dems have never been able (or wanted?) to clean house at the state level. Because they probably can’t.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@Applejinx:
Hillary won narrowly. But it is a homogeneous state. Perhaps the reason Sanders is losing people of color by astronomical numbers is because his supporters don’t even have the courtesy to consider their votes.
Wait until diverse states cast their votes – Sanders’s loses will be hyoooge, courtesy of POC.
bin Lurkin'
There is a difference between a promise you intend and try but fail to deliver on and one that you never meant seriously in the first place.
David *Rafael* Koch
@BGinCHI: we at BJ have debunked this loony meme numerous times.
Cacti
@bin Lurkin’:
Knowing that there’s no chance any of Sanders’ major policy proposals would be brought to a vote in the House, can we put them in the “never meant seriously” column?
GOP House majority is baked into the cake until at least 2020. Nothing revolutionary is going to happen in the next 4-years, absent some sort of black swan event.
scav
The wish is father to seeing the face of jebus in the tealeaves.
This is so far from over. It’s just teeny little leaf. I am so so sorry.
David ?Canadian Anchor Baby? Koch
@BillinGlendaleCA: yoots are always disenchanted with “the Establishment”. They were famously disenchanted in the 50s, 60s, 70s, so on..
I mean the most lasting and powerful films of the early 50s are “Rebel without a Cause”, “The Wild One”, “East of Eden”, “Blackboard Jungle”, etc. It’s always been there. I’m not even mentioning “Catcher in the Rye”.
EZSmirkzz
@gene108: The problem lies with men, but it remains a fact. A lower tone perhaps?
OzarkHillbilly
@David *Rafael* Koch: But he never closed Guantanamo.
bin Lurkin'
I’m fairly well convinced that Clinton will faceplant eventually, she comes across as phony and inauthentic because she tries to please everyone. Bernie doesn’t try to speak with a Southern accent and it would be ludicrous if he did. Clinton hasn’t driven a car in this millennium, not exactly connected to your everyday American.
Even country music is changing, redneck women are poking fun at the stereotypes for instance.
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Cacti:
Bern’s people are also recycling 30 years’ worth of fake right wing attacks on Hill, judging my youngest daughter’s reactions to her and some statements she’s made.
People wonder why I want to punch True Progressives, “Feeling the Bern” is exhibit A.
Baud
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
That concerns me too. I’m doubtful the party comes together regardless of who wins.
Baud! 2020!
raven
I said it was bullshit and I was right.
Baud
@raven: It’s hard to get that prediction wrong in any context.
Anne Laurie
@Cacti:
Or their kids’ not-yet-completed educations, like Martin O’Malley is.
Cacti
@Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class:
Bernie is the ideal candidate for the participation trophy generation.
raven
@Baud: Not bad huh?
Botsplainer, Cryptofascist Tool of the Oppressor Class
@Cacti:
Already, new memes are being made of scowling, fist shaking Bernie making pithy “rich people suck, they stole my election” one liners.
May as well make them “Hillary killed Vince Foster and dumped his body in Fort Marcy Park”, for what this shit is gonna do come fall.
Peale
@bin Lurkin’: oh bull. How many “socialists” has Bernie developed in his career? Even in his home state. Any protégés he’s been grooming? He’s been content to be the only one. The idea that he’s going to build anything once this election is over is coming from nowhere.
satby
@Anne Laurie:
Like I and a lot of horrible boomer parents are. The gratitude is often underwhelming.
Edited to add: from the millennial generation in general, not my specific kids.
jake the antisoshul soshulist
I heard the Microsoft conspiracy in reference to Hilary, but that was before the caucuses.