Open Thread: O’Malley Is Out

Per the Washington Post:

Former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley was set to announce the suspension of his presidential campaign on Monday night, following a dismal showing in the Iowa caucuses that effectively ended his long-simmering White House ambitions.

O’Malley, who had started laying the groundwork for a presidential bid following his 2010 reelection as governor, was lagging far behind former secretary of state Hillary Clinton and Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. With nearly 70 percent of precincts reporting, O’Malley registered support from only 1 percent of voters…

It’s unclear what O’Malley’s next step will be. He is a lawyer by training, and has served as a visiting professor at the business school at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore. O’Malley has said he has no interest in a Cabinet position in another Democratic administration.

Give the man this: He fought valiantly, and is getting out in time to avoid making a fool of himself. He’s young enough to try again in four years, or eight — and, of course, the fact that he “has no interest in a Cabinet position” doesn’t preclude him accepting one next January.






311 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    I’m still in it!

    Debates should be a little better now with only two invited candidates speaking.

  2. 2
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Cruz wins Iowa. I wonder what kind of insults Donald will unleash on the good people of Iowa.

  3. 3
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Huckster is the first one to drop out on the GOP side after the results. Womp womp.

  4. 4
    The Dangerman says:

    ABC just did the breaking news thing (over Final Jeopardy, the fuckers) to call it for Cruz.

    I don’t think Trump could beat Hillary…

    …but Cruz could.

    Also, Hillary getting indicted and not dropping out could mean just about anyone could beat her.

  5. 5
    PeakVT says:

    Hard to believe there is actual voting going on. I thought this campaign season was going to last forever. Of course, we are still NINE effing months away from the actual election…

  6. 6
    Suzanne says:

    If this country elects Cruz, forget Canada—I might jump straight to seppuku.

  7. 7

    @The Dangerman:

    Also, Hillary getting indicted and not dropping out could mean just about anyone could beat her.

    So could Cruz revealing that he’s an alien reptile. They’re each about equally likely.

  8. 8
    khead says:

    Coal the cat responds to the O’Malley news.

  9. 9

    @Suzanne:
    If Cruz wins, Canada can’t dodge the blame when we all want to move there.

    ETA: IOW, if Cruz wins, Blame Canada.

  10. 10
    Baud says:

    @Suzanne: Canada’s not that bad.

  11. 11
    The Dangerman says:

    @Roger Moore:

    They’re each about equally likely.

    I dunno; there’s an awful lot of smoke there (and the explanation that there was classification after the fact is seriously weak).

  12. 12
    PsiFighter37 says:

    Marco is out there sounding like a total tool and empty suit. This dude will do whatever anyone tells him to do without question. He’s a complete idiot.

  13. 13
    JGabriel says:

    Carried over from previous thread:

    As we round into the closing stretch of the GOP dog race, Master Debater maintains the lead. Water Boy, in third place, is closing in on Would Sleep W/ Daughter. Doctor Grifter follows distantly, in fourth place, and That Dog Is Not The Federal Government’s Responsibility, Jr. trails behind in fifth place:

    27.7% Master Debater
    24.4% Would Sleep W/ Daughter
    23.0% Water Boy
    9.3% Doctor Grifter
    4.5% That Dog Is Not The Federal Govt’s Responsibility, Jr.

    85% reporting

  14. 14
    Baud says:

    @The Dangerman: There’s always smoke with the Clintons because that’s what they people who hate them want. Either you give into it or not.

  15. 15
    hilts says:

    Martin, we barely knew ye.

  16. 16

    @The Dangerman:
    There was an awful lot of smoke about death panels. There was no fire whatsoever. There is zero chance of Hillary being indicted over her emails.

  17. 17
    mclaren says:

    Hillary Clinton will not be the Democratic nominee. Everyone knows Hillary has no chance of winning the general election.

  18. 18
    JGabriel says:

    The Democratic Caucus is really getting close:

    50.0% Clinton
    49.4% Sanders

    88% reporting

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    NotMax says:

    Music for O’Malley.

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    PsiFighter37 says:

    Marco telling me that the Founders were fighting for rights endowed to us by God. Shoot me now.

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    The Dangerman says:

    @Baud:

    Either you give into it or not.

    ….and I thought the initial reports about Bill and an intern were complete bullshit; silly me.

    Self inflicted wounds follow the Clintons around, too, along with the hater stuff.

  22. 22

    @JGabriel:
    You left out My Brother’s Keeper in 6th place.

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Many, many years ago, I bailed someone out of jail.. The bail was 10,000 and the charge was someone saw him driving when he didn’t have a license. (GA laws are weird).. Anyway the bondsman, gave good advice. He said, they don’t like you here and you have to move it to the county court. The charges were dropped. I feel the same way about Hillary. The ones in power don’t like her.

  24. 24
    JGabriel says:

    @Baud:

    I’m still in it!

    Debates should be a little better now with only two invited candidates speaking.

    Why would it be only two invited candidates? Now that O’Malley is out, shouldn’t you be getting an invite to participate?

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    Baud says:

    @The Dangerman: If you’re paying attention, you know that the lies about them far outnumber any self-inflicted wounds, as it will be with any Democrat.

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    amk says:

    earlier comment eated again.

    donald dreck tweet

    This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!

    LOL. what the fuck happened to making murka great again?

  27. 27
    JGabriel says:

    @Roger Moore: Will try to include in next round.

  28. 28
    Corner Stone says:

    @The Dangerman: Holy Fucking Fuckballs.

  29. 29
    Baud says:

    @JGabriel: I should have been there all along. The Establishment wants to keep virtual candidates down. They suffer from a 20th Century mentality.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @PsiFighter37: Marco can’t even teleprompter right.

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    JPL says:

    Rubio is giving his victory speech.

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    Mai.naem.mobile says:

    @The Dangerman: I would not be surprised if State is.holding onto the emails to have the howling from the GOP,then finally release them and have them turn out to be a nothingburger. I think O has a good idea of these emails and would have stuck a shiv in HRC if he thought she was going to get indicted. He knows he needs a Dem to follow to cement his achievements.

  33. 33
    JGabriel says:

    @amk:

    donald dreck tweet

    This election is a total sham and a travesty. We are not a democracy!

    The autocrat/oligarch is just figuring that out now?

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    debbie says:

    @The Dangerman:

    In what world could Cruz beat Hillary? He will never win over the GOP establishment and his vision for an evangelical Christian nation will alienate almost everyone else.

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    lgerard says:

    OT

    It seems that the final four in the French Vanilla Revolution want Franklin Graham to come in and mediate

    I find that hilarious

  36. 36
    Elizabelle says:

    Just tuned in to Nice Polite Republicans.

    Heard O’Malley was dropping out; have not heard another word about Democrats.

    Ted Cruz? Iowa, Iowa. May your GOP predictive magic continue.

  37. 37
    Corner Stone says:

    This is going to be an awesome next few days. Where alllll the even the liberal media is going to tell us how Rubio’s third place in Iowa is fucking game changing ground shifting holy rollin’ pushin’ strollers proud clinging, guns God, Ghays, and oh yeah, Good For Ya!

  38. 38
    The Dangerman says:

    @Baud:

    If you’re paying attention, you know that the lies about them far outnumber any self-inflicted wounds, as it will be with any Democrat.

    No doubt…

    …but self inflicted wounds are there. Having a private server, in and of itself, was a mistake (which I think she has admitted to previously).

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    Dick Nixon doesn’t like Rubio’s speech:

    The maid, the bartender, the cook, the baker, the candlestick maker. Stick a boot in his mouth.

    rofl.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  40. 40
    Corner Stone says:

    Mrs. Trump appears to be The Devil Herself. Damnation!

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    NotMax says:

    @Baud

    Baud/Max Headroom ’16!

  42. 42
    JGabriel says:

    Clinton dips below 50%:

    49.9% Clinton
    49.4% Sanders

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @amk: uh oh… they may find they don’t like trump when he’s angry

    still a long long long way to go, of course

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    Cacti says:

    Hmmm…Bern has crept to within 0.2% with 89% reporting.

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    Anoniminous says:

    JEB! – something over $20 million total spent for under 5,000 votes.

    Ha-Ha

    His slide from odds on Front Runner to Who? is The story of the election, so far. In 50 years of politics I’ve never, ever, seen a national candidate blow himself up so thoroughly.

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    Baud says:

    @The Dangerman: Speeding is a mistake. But if you’re the Dem nominee, speeding represents a reckless disregard for public safety. Disqualified? The media will tell you “yes.” Your choice whether to go along.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    From 538:

    Harry Enten ‏@ForecasterEnten 3m3 minutes ago

    A number of precincts out in Polk for Clinton (still haven’t reported). She’ll probably win this, but very close.

    12 retweets 9 likes

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    jl says:

    @Baud:

    ” I’m still in it! ”

    Baud! “We have ’til November to mess this up”! 2016!

    He is in it now just as much as he ever was!

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    lamh36 says:

    Got up late today cause I was off from work…spent the majority of the day at the grocery store and running other errands.

    Then home bout 4pm to cook lunch for the week…totally forgot about the caucuses today.

    Anyhoo, meal #1…is a first time recipe for me… but it came out real good.
    Crawfish Ravioli.
    ..made by me!!! Only thing I didn’t make myself was the stuffed ravioli…but give me time 😄😄

    Second meal, much simpler…Shrimp and Okra File nothing special…just a simple craving.

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    Baud says:

    @Cacti: Maybe he’s getting a lot of the O’Malley switchers.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Did John Kasich get any votes? He’s not even on the NYTimes front page roundup. They have Rand Paul and Ben Carson numbers up …

  52. 52

    @The Dangerman:
    A mistake that all previous Secretaries of Stage have made since it became a technological option? That kind of mistake? Yes, she should SO have avoided that self-inflicted wound.

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    NotMax says:

    Rubio giving credit to Jesus Christ was actually offensive.

  54. 54
    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    LOS ANGELES -— (Variety) Hillary Clinton to star as Snake Plissken in “Escape From Iowa”

  55. 55
    Cacti says:

    @Baud:

    Yeah, O’Malley’s supporters definitely seem to have broken his way.

  56. 56
    Baud says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Decision Desk may have flubbed their call.

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    lamh36 says:

    Wow…Bernie and HRC only off by 0.2%…wow

  58. 58
    Cacti says:

    @Elizabelle:

    He tied Carly at 1.8%.

  59. 59
    Anoniminous says:

    @Elizabelle:

    3,173 so far.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    ¿Jeb?’s concession speech is really bitter:

    I can handle things, I’m smart! Not like everyone says — like dumb! I’m smart! And I want respect!

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    Baud says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: I can’t tell whether that’s the real thing or not. Sad.

  62. 62
    El Caganer says:

    Wonder if The Donald can handle losing this one. For all his bluster, he’s got an awfully fragile ego.

  63. 63
    JGabriel says:

    Holy shit:

    49.8% Clinton
    49.6% Sanders

    90% Reporting

    Did O’Malley’s supporters all switch to Sanders?

  64. 64
    Anoniminous says:

    Will people knock it the $^@#%$! off with the %$^@#$%! emails. Already? It’s a nothing burger, non-story, GOP laced bullshit baloney sandwich drenched in horseshit sauce.

  65. 65

    @The Dangerman:

    Having a private server, in and of itself, was a mistake

    But not a scandal, unless all the previous Secretaries of State who used them were also engaged in scandalous behavior.

  66. 66
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    TPM: Huckabee Drops Out Of GOP Race

  67. 67
    Corner Stone says:

    @The Dangerman: Why do you continually do shit like this to yourself?

  68. 68
    JPL says:

    Does anyone know how the delegates split?

  69. 69
    Han says:

    @The Dangerman: That’s not smoke. That’s the Republicans cranking up their fog machines.

  70. 70
    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    CNN (BREAKING NEWS ALERT):

    Iowa — Trump Buys the Farm

  71. 71
    jl says:

    @NotMax:

    ” Rubio giving credit to Jesus Christ was actually offensive. ”

    Rubio came in third. But he is making a concession speech that sounds like a victory speech? Did he credit Jesus Christ for gifting him with his (expected) third place finish or for giving him a lesson in humility in placing below goons like Trump and Cruz?

    In other words, WTF does Rubio think he is doing?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @El Caganer: His after action speech was actually pretty normal, short and non-news making. IOW, his ego didn’t leap out and start swallowing babies from a roasting spit.

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    SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel says:

    I would probably not have voted for him in a primary, only because it was clear from the outset that he didn’t have a prayer of winning the general — but I found O’Malley a very decent and thoughtful man throughout the past few months and in the debates. I hope he is a good surrogate for whomever the nominee is, and maybe gets a good cabinet post next January.

  74. 74

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    I can handle things, I’m smart! Not like everyone says — like dumb! I’m smart! And I want respect!

    I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it.

  75. 75
    Anoniminous says:

    @JGabriel:

    Polk county is only reporting 82% (CNN figure) and that is the county for the capitol, Des Moines. I’d expect Clinton to do well there what with all the establishment party types living there.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @jl: Somebody told Rubio that deep pockets were going to be playing his third place as a narrative the media would willingly buy.

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    srv says:

    I think Bernie’s numbers show a lot of trump supporters feel it’s more important to stop the becrowning than put trump on top for this dinky state.

    There is a logic to that strategy.

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    Baud says:

    @Anoniminous: I thought someone else said Des Moines would be Sanders friendly. Do they have a university there?

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    Mandalay says:

    @NotMax:

    Rubio giving credit to Jesus Christ was actually offensive.

    Thank you Jesus for letting me come a poor and distant third!

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone: Rubio won the billionaire lottery. He should be happy.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @The Dangerman: Hillary is not getting indicted. There is not even a DOJ investigation into her. There are 22 emails, or parts of 22 emails, that have been classified after the fact as a result of Judicial Watch’s FOIA requests. This has happened recently; they were not classified when she either sent them or received them, nor was the material in them classified at that time. The ongoing leaks, and the breathless and incredulous media coverage, including the punditocracy’s coverage, are being fueled by three things: 1) Secretary Clinton is currently running for President and the GOP side of Capital Hill is deliberately leaking like a sieve and spinning the leaks; 2) there is a turf war between the Intel Community (IC) and the Department of State over who really gets to determine what is and isn’t classified (actually its the President, but the IC doesn’t actually believe that); and 3) this is a preemptive shot across Secretary Clinton’s bow by the IC, and especially its leadership, to put her on notice over who is really in charge should she be elected President.

    That’s it. That’s what’s actually going on. Does any of this mean she’d make a good President? Or a bad one? Not in the least. Its all part of the wasteland of mirrors.

  82. 82
    jl says:

    @JGabriel: I heard Sanders say in an interview, or maybe one of the forums, that he just lllluuuuvvves him some of that retail politics and GOTV organizing. Maybe Sanders has assembled a good team that can really turn them out, and he can export his Vermont GOTV operation to other states?

    On the other hand, the polls were very close and volatile, so something like this result is not very unexpected.

  83. 83
    Cacti says:

    @srv:

    I think Bernie’s numbers show a lot of trump supporters feel it’s more important to stop the becrowning than put trump on top for this dinky state.

    There is a logic to that strategy.

    Whatever makes you feel better, cupcake.

    Trump’s loss was yuge and classy.

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    amk says:

    @JGabriel: sorry, it was a 2012 tweet. my bad.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @SiubhanDuinne, Annoying Scoundrel: I hope he is a good surrogate for whomever the nominee is

    my first sight of him was being a really bad won for Obama, totally stymied by a dishonest leading question from old man Schieffer. weak and stammering

  86. 86
    NotMax says:

    @JPL

    Currently, on the R Side (delegates being sent to county conventions):

    Cruz – 8
    Trump – 7
    Rubio – 6
    Carson – 3
    Paul, Bush, Fiorina – 1 each
    3 delegates are designated uncommitted per party rules.

  87. 87
    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Baud: Senator Cruz, Dr. Charles Krauthammer, David Frum… Do I need to go on?

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Baud:

    A small one. The big uni’s are in Johnson (Univ. of Iowa) and Story (Iowa State) counties. Both of which went for Sanders.

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    debbie says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Last I saw he was at 2%.

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    Helen says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Richard Nixon’s twitter feed is awesome. A few examples:

    “I can’t stand to listen to this little bastard”

    “The victory speech is a bad call”

    “I mean it. Rubio talking like this is politically stupid. He had opponents before but now they want to embarrass him. Hurt him.”

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    NotMax says:

    @Baud

    Drake University.

    May be others as well.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Nicely put. Especially the “wasteland of mirrors” bit.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Ah, thanks. That ‘splains mucho-much.

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    chopper says:

    quite the nail biter, eh?

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    James E Powell says:

    @Elizabelle:

    And yet I just read a blurb that Kasich was movin’ on up in NH – Poised to become the new next new thing.

  97. 97
    Baud says:

    @chopper: Yeah, it sucks. I’m about to give up for the night.

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    Davebo says:

    Does anyone really give a fuck about the Iowa caucuses other than the press and Iowa?

    Hopefully one day a president will tell them to go screw themselves and eliminate the 10% ethanol requirement in gasoline which is idiotic.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Polk county is only reporting 82% (CNN figure) and that is the county for the capitol, Des Moines. I’d expect Clinton to do well there what with all the establishment party types living there.

    That sounds like a reasonable expectation.

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    El Caganer says:

    @Roger Moore: It was never your night, kid.

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    SRW1 says:

    @Anoniminous:

    $4,000 per (primary) vote. Getting beyond insane.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @lgerard: Actually Cliven Bundy sent a registered letter to Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, Oregon’s governor, and to the President telling them that he is now in charge of the Occupation, that it will continue, that there will be negotiations, and ordering all Federal and state law enforcement out of Harney County.

    There was no indication if he’s going to drag himself off his ranch and up to Oregon where he might be in danger of actually being arrested.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Helen: that guy does contempt very well. I love it when goes after Christie

    and this

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 1h1 hour ago
    I’ve asked for years and still no one will tell me who S.E. Cupp is.

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    debbie says:

    @James E Powell:

    I believe he’s polling second at the moment. He pretty much ignored Iowa — surprising considering he’s a committed Christian.

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    chopper says:

    last coupla precincts are really taking their sweet time.

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    SRW1 says:

    @srv:

    El Trumpo not yet sent the bat with the talking points?

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    ” Its all part of the wasteland of mirrors. ”

    Is that the Salvador Dali version of the security classification hall of mirrors?

    BTW, the HRC camp claims that one of the public domain items that was classified Top Secret was a NYT article on drones. Been a long time since I had to put up with that stuff, but I’s guess that would a non-classified source corroborating a some classified source that is in same pool of access? Or something like that?

    That item jumped out at me, since I saw it right after a commenter mentioned reports that in the Pentagon Papers affair, whole stacks of material, NYT articles,l everything would get stamped Top Secret.

    Probably should set up a BJ paypal button to pay you to put up with the horror, but maybe a primer on the US security classification system would be useful?

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    Joel says:

    So, in summary, a [i]de facto[/i] tie for the Democrats and a very narrow victory for Cruz.

    Sounds about right.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Adam L Silverman: It would be delicious if he were to believe his own propaganda and wander up there and get arrested so he could join his sons in jail. Especially if nobody was hurt in the process.

    I expect he’ll stay on his ranch though.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Steve in the ATL says:

    @Davebo:

    Does anyone really give a fuck about the Iowa caucuses other than the press and Iowa?

    Hopefully one day a president will tell them to go screw themselves and eliminate the 10% ethanol requirement in gasoline which is idiotic.

    This is my favorite comment.

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    James E Powell says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Hillary is not getting indicted. There is not even a DOJ investigation into her.

    Apparently, you aren’t listening to the right talk radio stations. The FBI is itching to arrest her for a host of evil deeds, but the Kenyan Muslim Socialist is holding them back. It’s all connected with Benghazi, of course.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @SRW1:

    Agree, but it does go some way to show that money is a necessary part of winning an election it doesn’t necessarily buy an election. Which I find rather comforting.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Baud:

    Rubio won the billionaire lottery. He should be happy.

    Kind of. Except his sugar daddy (Paul Singer) is a strong supporter of gay rights.

    So the nasty homophobe constantly has to watch his mouth or he’ll kill the goose that lays his golden egg.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @JPL: Depending on the cut, either top to bottom or side to side. Also depends on how sharp the knife is. Can I interest you in an entire rib primal? Its corn fed…

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    kc says:

    @The Dangerman:

    God, you really think Cruz could beat her? What a depressing thought.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @JPL:

    Here’s a short description.

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    Davebo says:

    @Steve in the ATL: Behold, president Santorum, elected in 2012.

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    Helen says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    LOL I did not see that. Thanks.

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    JGabriel says:

    Demcratic Caucus, 91% Reporting, seems to have widened a smidgen:

    49.8% Clinton
    49.5% Sanders

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    lgerard says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    That would be nice. Maybe he will drive his herd up there to graze and we can round them all up at the same time.

    It is funny how these nuts never seem to notice that no one pays any attention to all their orders, proclamations and writs despite all the effort they put into cutting and pasting them together.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Davebo:

    Hopefully one day a president will tell them to go screw themselves and eliminate the 10% ethanol requirement in gasoline which is idiotic.

    TBF that is precisely the position of Ted Cruz. He wants to phase it out by 2022.

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    Baud says:

    @JGabriel: Why doesn’t that equal 100%? Is O’Malley still registering?

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    JGabriel says:

    @Anoniminous: Brilliant.

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    scav says:

    ooo, Guard live-blog rather nicely needles the Yooogely Second

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    JGabriel says:

    @Baud: Yes. O’Malley’s still registering at 0.5% on both TPM and NYT, which is where I’ve been getting my numbers tonight.

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    Davebo says:

    Planning on doing some briskets and ribs later this week. Slow cooked on a 18,000 lb smoker made from a mud pump! It’s actually a really good smoker but it takes a lot of wood to heat it up. I think I’ll do some dancing chickens as well!

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Always nice to hit the lingo for those who know it. I’ve got several very good friends and former colleagues/folks I’ve served with at different assignment that are part of the civilian IC. They are good people, they take their jobs seriously, and they endeavor to do good work, and at their current ranks/billets, encourage it among the people working for them. But as an institution, or rather an institution of institutions, the civilian IC is in need of serious and long overdue reform. Military IC has its own problems, some of it contracted from the civilian IC – such as methodological messes and miasmas, but the civilian IC, as an institution of institutions, has become not only a self licking ice cream cone, but a self fulfilling/self perpetuating organization and bureaucracy.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @NotMax:

    Baud/Max HeadroomHardcore ’16!

    Ol’ Max is tanned and rested after getting out of the joint.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Welp. I was thinking Clinton 52-Sanders 48 and Rubio with a surprise win. So, I wasn’t really alt that spot on.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @NotMax:

    Hart did a self-destructo but as I recall he wasn’t the designated candidate of the most powerful political machine and backed by the most powerful money-boys within the Democratic Party.

    I mean it took real major skill of the stumble-buck variety for JEB! to blow it.

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    Bernistas rising! Put the coronation on hold. Back up the Brinks piggy banks!!

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud:

    Decision Desk may have flubbed their call.

    Just like the other “decider”.

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    AxelFoley says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes, O’Malley was a TERRIBLE surrogate for President Obama in 2012. I remember him being asked if America was better off in 2012 than it was in 2008 and he couldn’t give an answer. I mean, fuck YES we were better off in 2012 than we were in Bush’s last year in office. We were losing jobs by the shitloads, the automobile industry was on life support, there was no ACA, etc., and this fool couldn’t give an answer.

    I knew he wasn’t ready for prime time right then. And to add to it, his shitty speech at the DNC that summer…well. This is a guy who’s been campaigning in Iowa since 2010 and this was the best he could do? Yeah, everyone knew he’d have to deal with the Clinton juggernaut, but she’s been beaten before (and even now, Bernie’s showing it’s possible again–even thought I hate him and his supporters).

    Bye, Martin. We hardly knew ye.

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    jl says:

    I guess the big mystery after tonight is what happened to Trump? My guess is some combination of
    goofballs support Trump, and getting them to do something with no immediate gratification is hard
    Trump GOTV organization no good
    People said they supported Trump in polls because it felt good, and they really turned out for someone else.

    I read Trump was holding rallies today, which is an odd thing to do when you should be GOTVing So, maybe Trump will learn himself how this political campaigning works in time for NH?

    I also saw a news story that Trump went to church and got confused, mixed up communion with passing the plate for tithing.

    Trump may be right, he really may have been gifted with the very special and unique mind.

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    JGabriel says:

    Okay, this is from the official Iowa Democratic Caucus page, 92% reporting:

    50.1% CLINTON

    49.3% SANDERS

    0.6% O’MALLEY

    So, yes, the Dem race is definitely widening again.

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    Baud says:

    @jl: Trump has half-assed it through the whole primary and came in a close second in a state that isn’t one of his strongest. Hate to say it, but he should feel pretty good.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Davebo: And one should arrive with wine and a bouquet approximately when, good sir?

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    Corner Stone says:

    It’s Morning in America, Again!

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    JPL says:

    @Baud: Trump’s half-ass is all he has.

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    Helen says:

    OH FUCK Cruz for saying “Yes we can”

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    Anoniminous says:

    @efgoldman:

    Oh heck, I totally forgot about him. And didn’t Rudy Giuliani a god-awful amount of loot to get one delegate in 2008?

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    Corner Stone says:

    Steve King looks like he’s been multi-orgasmic behind Cruz for the last 10 minutes.

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    Scott Alloway says:

    @Anoniminous: Concur. George Romney is now redeemed. 1968 was crazy but not like this. 1964 was just a roller coaster ride. Active in both.

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    David *Rafael* Koch says:

    Yas Queen!

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    JGabriel says:

    @Anoniminous:

    JEB! – something over $20 million total spent for under 5,000 votes

    More than $4000 per vote. Would have been cheaper just to buy everyone a couple 55″ 4K LED Screens for their living rooms and bedrooms.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    Dick Nixon on Cruz’s victory speech:

    The little girl isn’t there to spit at him?

    rofl.

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: Bottom to top: I’ve seen reference to the claim by State that one of the things the IC Inspector General (IG) has now classified was an email with either an excerpt from the NY Times transcribed within it or the article attached to it. I’ve seen different explanations for this one. One was it wasn’t classified at the time the article was written, but that information is now (which is sort of silly as we can’t actually redact the NY Times online archive, nor go and roundup every copy that wasn’t recycled or thrown away). Another is that the article itself contained material that was classified at the time and its reporting constituted a leak. The third is that the material in the article by itself was not classified, but when combined with other material in that specific email, raised the classification for the material in the article and the other material in the email.

    We have this same issue with the material that Snowden leaked. There are plenty of current and former personnel named in what was leaked, but because of either active clearances, or the caveats that come with being read off of access, all of us are forbidden from accessing that material or reading news reports that include it. I had a colleague from State who was mentioned in one of the leaked cables by name. This colleague wasn’t actually involved with anything that the cable dealt with substantively, nor assigned to the country team where the cable originated. This colleague couldn’t actually look up what was being reported because it would be unauthorized access of classified information (need to know…). At the same time the colleague had to reassure several foreign officers, without actually being able to see the reporting, because we were working in a Joint, Interagency, Intergovernmental, and Multinational (JIIM) assignment.

    Wasteland of mirrors refers to the phrase within the IC of getting lost within the raw information. Basically everywhere one looks, all one sees is a reflection or a twisted one looking back. Operatives and analysts lost in the wasteland of mirrors are considered to be conceptually compromised and unable to process information accurately. It is related to the concept of mirroring, which is to ascribe to ones allies, partners, clients, and competitors the same motivations, drivers, beliefs, etc that one’s own society and country has. Both of them are really bad outcomes in different ways.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @efgoldman: I’m smart! And I want respect!
    If only he could buy it.

    Bar would take it away from him, like the ball when he was six or the car when he was sixteen. Just so he would know she could.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I love that red outfit Chairwoman Mao Clinton is wearing.

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    JGabriel says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Steve King looks like he’s been multi-orgasmic behind Cruz for the last 10 minutes.

    That’s really very disturbing.

    I hope Ted Cruz made him use a condom.

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    JPL says:

    @efgoldman: I voted against Phil when he was a dem and I voted against Phil when he was a repub.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: That is my recollection too. Civilian security was truly a hall of mirrors, or more accurately, and ever more rapidly expanding maze of mirrors, and you were right in the middle.

    Maybe, since some of the military intelligence would actually be used by real people to make real decisions in some real planning scenarios, they kept the rules for being able to actually use the information tractable.

    IIRC correctly, the military intelligence was very specialized. And some agencies would have outstanding estimates in some areas, but horrible useless ones in other. But all classified, so it was all very sensitive and if a whisper leaked out, the world would blow up.

    Are there any clearances that are so sensitive the clearance itself is classified? I forget. Some of the names were cosmically cool and only a dimwittedly dull nerd would not want to flash them around.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: I actually wrote one on classification last week and then deleted it. Nothing I wrote was, itself classified, but I wasn’t sure it was appropriate for me to publish it given what I do. Let me think a bit more on this and consult some folks to make sure I’m aware of all the electrified boundaries.

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    David *Rafael* Koch says:

    BWHWHAAHAHAHHAAH

    Hillary just stepped on Cruz’s speech.

    priceless

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Scott Alloway:

    So was I. Something inside of me was crushed in ’68 and I’ve never gotten it back. Worked the precinct for Humphrey – a good man, trapped by circumstances – but nobody’s heart seemed to be in it.

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    Baud says:

    @David *Rafael* Koch: Why is she speaking? Have they called it?

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    David *Rafael* Koch says:

    Ted Cruz: “I am not tired…”

    CNN “We are cutting away to Hillary Clinton.”

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    chopper says:

    @JGabriel:

    condoms the size of cantaloupes?

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet: I expect that as soon as he actually ever leaves his property, and does so in a way that they can arrest him without starting a shootout, that the FBI will arrest him. I think the real problem with him is he’s basically stayed on his ranch for almost two years, and when he’s gone out he’s not ventured far and he always has a few heavily armed militia types with him. To a certain extent he’s placed himself under house arrest.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Ted Cruz: “I am not tired…”

    CNN “We are cutting away to Hillary Clinton.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    Clinton just bigfooted Cruz’s victory speech.

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    JGabriel says:

    @David *Rafael* Koch:

    Ted Cruz: “I am not tired…”

    CNN “We are cutting away to Hillary Clinton.”

    Bwahahaha!

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    Baud says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Trump would never have let that happen.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: That was a good speech by HRC. Not triumphant but positive and rousing.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @James E Powell: I don’t listen to talk radio. With the exception of Car Talk repeats, even NPR gives me the hives. The only other thing decent on public radio is the weekly opera. And more and more I just listen the music on my iPhone in the car. For long trips its books on audio file.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    ” Wasteland of mirrors refers to the phrase within the IC of getting lost within the raw information. ”

    Thanks for info on the lingo. I was never actually in the IC, but worked as a statistician for a contractor doing analysis and also a policy shop. So, I guess I viewed the IC world from its outer edge.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Baud: nobody has called it, other then @DecisionDesk. But 538 says outstanding precincts yet to report favor Hillary. I imagine her statisticians have made same determination

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    Baud says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: Thanks. I’m not actually watching the TV because I can’t stand the TV people.

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    Corner Stone says:

    “It takes two to make a thing go right?”
    At the Sanders camp? WTF?

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    Helen says:

    @Corner Stone:

    OH HAI COMRADE!!

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    Belafon says:

    I saw it pointed out that, if he wanted, O’Malley still has two days to register to run for the Senate seat.

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    randy khan says:

    @Adam L Silverman:

    Actually Cliven Bundy sent a registered letter to Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward, Oregon’s governor, and to the President telling them that he is now in charge of the Occupation, that it will continue, that there will be negotiations, and ordering all Federal and state law enforcement out of Harney County.

    Wait! He used the U.S. Postal Service? Doesn’t he know that’s part of the federal government?

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    JGabriel says:

    Okay, this is a little weird. 93% reporting, and we’re back where we were in the Democratic Caucus:

    49.8% Clinton
    49.6% Sanders
    00.6% O’Malley

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    Baud says:

    @Belafon: A lot of good people running for that seat. O’Malley may not want to risk another loss this quickly.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Bernie had a good showing. Proud of him for turning his supporters out.

    I would have been a Hillary voter, but am rooting for Bernie and his ideas too.

    Did Santorum get any votes? How did those in the kiddy table category of votes do?

    Do you think iCarly will drop out soon?

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    Corner Stone says:

    Protocol, schmotocol.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Davebo: Actually based on the delegate math from Iowa that should be President Ron Paul elected in 2012. Remember there were three different winners last time. Romney based on the announcement on the night of the caucuses, Santorum about two weeks later when everything was actually tallied, and Ron Paul several months later when everyone realized he’d gamed the delegate system. And that’s not even counting the fact that no one can still answer what happened to the returns from eight precincts that went missing and where never found.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Did the youngs turn out for Bernie? I hope so.

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    David *Rafael* Koch says:

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    Baud says:

    @Elizabelle: Must have. How else would it have been close?

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    Elizabelle says:

    Now I’m rooting for a major snowstorm to trap those oh so important media types in Iowa.

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    JGabriel says:

    @chopper:

    condoms the size of cantaloupes?

    For Steve King? I’m thinking more like the size of baby carrots.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Corner Stone: still got 20 minutes here on the east coast, but close enough I guess//

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    JGabriel says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Now I’m rooting for a major snowstorm to trap those oh so important media types in Iowa…

    … For eternity.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Baud: No TV in the house these days; was listening on the radio.

    First three words out of Cruz’s mouth: the word “unctuous” came to mind. Oilier than a mackerel or a salmon.

    And I tire of Marco Rubio, who does not even turn up much for his day job, assailing Obama as such a disastrous president.

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    David *Rafael* Koch says:

    @JGabriel:

    From 538:

    Clinton’s margin is back down to 0.2 percentage points, but still plenty of Polk County still out.

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    Corner Stone says:

    “Again, a call to arms.”
    /B-Will on HRC’s speech

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    Heliopause says:

    So I guess tonight’s big takeaway is that the pollsters, including St. Ann of Selzer, got some splainin’ to do.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Did anyone vote for Jeb?

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    JGabriel says:

    @David *Rafael* Koch: Got it. Should be interesting.

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    Baud says:

    @Heliopause: I’ve just stopped trusting polls altogether. Most are either badly done or deliberately manipulative.

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone: Is she taking over a wildlife refuge?

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    chopper says:

    @Heliopause:

    to be fair, caucuses can be hard to poll well.

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    beltane says:

    @Elizabelle: Babs tried, but she is not registered to vote in Iowa.

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    jl says:

    @Baud: One thing the Baud! 2016! campaign excels at is endless spinning.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: I’m eligible to be cleared about as far up as most people can go that aren’t running an Intel agency. By eligible I mean I can be read on if I need to be, but because all I’m doing is consulting work right now I don’t, so I’m not. My understanding, and I went through the read on/ndoctrination just last year as I was read on for part of 2015 and I remember the following from the read on/indoctrination, is that having the clearance and discussing it is not itself classified. All of my business cards and my signature blocks on my unclassified work emails always include my secret and top secret email addresses. As did almost everyone else I know. And the fact that this could be made public is specifically addressed in the read on/indoctrination. I’m sure there’s something so compartmentalized that it can’t be referenced, but that’s way at the spire on top of the pinnacle above the top floor of the highest level clearances commonly awarded. What you can’t do, if I’m recalling correctly, is identify what special access programs you’re read on to. You can recognize that you have a TS/SCI with SAP read on, but not identify what the SAP is.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Olivia Nuzzi ‏@ Olivianuzzi 14m14 minutes ago
    Crowd at the Sanders party is chanting “YOU ARE A LIAR” at Hillary on TV

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: You’re just miffed cause they haven’t included you in any of the polls.

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    Baud says:

    @chopper:

    And to be fairer, if you believe almost all of O’Malley’s people went to Bernie, Selzer’s poll was pretty accurate.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Elizabelle: BooMan says Rubio won. But it doesn’t matter. ;-)

    I agree with him that Iowa doesn’t matter. But it’s nice that people are finally voting…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Elizabelle:

    His total vote has soared to 5,165 or 3%.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Heliopause: Looks like the O’Malley people broke for Sanders not Clinton. Okay.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Heliopause: she had one Clinton +2 poll and another Clinton +3 poll, and the final result is likely to be Clinton +1. That’s pretty damn good for a primary poll.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Baud: I wouldn’t go that far. I’m sure polish people are as trustworthy as anyone else.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    For those who don’t know yet, this is a good place to track results.

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    amk says:

    at the end of months of millions wasted, shouting, yelling and 24×7 hateful rhetoric, the delegate split between top 3 kkklowns is just 8-7-6. jeez.

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    Fair Economist says:

    I would bet that Bernie actually won the popular vote, based on the likelihood that his voters were more concentrated than Hillary’s. But we’ll probably never know because it’s not tallied.

    Interestingly, although the state delegate equivalents, which is being treated as the popular vote, is tied, Hillary notched up a clear win in delegate (28 to 21 with 3 still out). This inverts the pattern from 2008 where Hillary tended to do worse on delegates than in votes and ended up with a majority of total votes yet a minority of delegates.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: No worries. Its also the name of a really good JAG episode.

    While the funding for my work for the first four or five years I was doing cultural ops for the Army, either on the generating/Professional Military Education (PME) or the operational side, was paid for out of Army Intel funding lines, I’m not a trained intelligence officer. I know what they do, know, by and large, how they do it, but the best way to do the kind of work I do is to utilize open sources – primary, secondary, and tertiary – and to keep the work unclassified for ease of distribution and dissemination as much as possible.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    That’s often the case. People tend to look at the front runner first and if they decide to support someone else they won’t revisit that decision and move to the next not-Front Runner.

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    Baud says:

    @Fair Economist:

    The Booman post referenced above says these were the 2008 totals

    Barack Obama: 940 delegates, 37.6% of the total, earned 16 delegates to the convention.
    John Edwards: 744 delegates, 29.7% of the total, earned 14 delegates to the convention.
    Hillary Rodham Clinton: 737 delegates, 29.4% of the total, earned 15 delegates to the convention.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Olivia Nuzzi ‏@ Olivianuzzi 14m14 minutes ago
    Crowd at the Sanders party is chanting “YOU ARE A LIAR” at Hillary on TV

    The agony of defeat.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @randy khan: I know, right?

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Classy. I guess that puts paid to the notion that it’s an internet thing.

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    @jl: @Adam L Silverman: Long ago, in a galaxy far away, it was classified to say you had a clearance. That’s evidently changed. I write as little as possible about classification, but the level of foolishness makes it tempting.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Hillary notched up a clear win in delegate (28 to 21 with 3 still out). This inverts the pattern from 2008 where Hillary tended to do worse on delegates than in votes and ended up with a majority of total votes yet a minority of delegates.

    This was the Obama method in ’08. Learn the rules. Use them to win.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Fair Economist:

    Unless they’ve changed the procedure, the national delegate count is a projection based on the local caucus results. What used to be, and I think still is*, is people tonight selected delegates from their precinct to the county convention, who select delegates to their regional convention, who select delegates to the state convention, who select delegates to the national delegates.

    * and am too damn lazy to look up

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Fair Economist: The Hilbeast learned that it’s important to hire someone that knows how to count.

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    satby says:

    @Baud: @Corner Stone: @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: I can’t stand the tv heads either, so thanks for live blogging it.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: Must have been very long, because they’re still using the materials from the early 80s and they make it clear that acknowledging it is okay as that is not classified. I got an email from an Army Intel officer last week that included his secret and ts emails in his signature block.

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    jl says:

    @Adam L Silverman: I very slyly and cleverly worked in references to some of my more obscure clearances in the comments. Maybe they don’t even exist any more, I dunno, it’s been something like twenty years.

    I guess if messed up, you will have to track me down and

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    NotMax says:

    Another way to cast the R numbers:

    Cruz – 28%
    Trump – 24%
    Rubio – 23%
    Everyone Else: 25%

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    Baud says:

    @Bobby Thomson: And I guess that young guy at the town hall was a good representative of his peers.

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    jl says:

    @Cheryl Rofer: I forget whether I had that one or not.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Fair Economist: apparently the 28 she currently has includes 6 of the 8 Iowa super delegates. But she’s pretty close to getting 23 of the 44 elected delegates, and I bet you dollars to doughnuts she lost the raw vote count. I get the sense that her staff know what they are doing this time around.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    From 538:

    I want to point out that Clinton continues to hold a 0.4 percentage point lead — and which county has the most votes out? It’s still Polk. Sanders hasn’t led statewide this entire night, and the state delegate equivalent percentage difference between the two really hasn’t shifted in a while.

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    Brad says:

    LOL rich people. They just bet a few hundred million of pocket change on JEB! and he got like 43 votes. It's like reverse powerball for them

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    Tripod says:

    Uh… that percentage is delegates to the state convention, NOT percentage of voters. The exit numbers had Clinton by 2-3 points, but those preferences got washed through the caucus procedure, and here we are.

    She’s currently +3 on the Iowa delegate count.

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    amk says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    I think she got 8 out of 10 SD’s even before the count started.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @jl: I caught them. As my ASO used to say: “if you’re not living right on the edge, you’re not really living”.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    The only way Hillary doesn’t win this is if she doesn’t hand it off to Beast Mode on the goal line.

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    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:
    If Sanders can’t get a clear win – even a tiny one – in Iowa, you can kiss him goodbye. I have no animus against him, but he’s trailing badly everywhere else, and needed ‘momentum’ (and lots of it) to change voter opinions. Without Iowa, he doesn’t have even a come-from-behind victory.

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    JGabriel says:

    For the record, Jim Gilmore’s official vote total, with 98% (1661 of 1682) of precincts reporting, has nearly doubled from the previously reported 7 votes all the way up to 12 votes.

    Second from the bottom is Other, with 117 votes, and third from the bottom is Man on Dog, with 1,777 votes — which is undoubtedly a disappointingly soft performance for Man on Dog given his Iowa win in 2012.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: who would ever be that stupid?

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    NotMax says:

    @Anonimous

    Yes. On the R side, county conventions in March, district conventions in April, state convention in late May.

    Historically, because delegates to the other conventions are expected to pay their own way, there are no-shows at each step as well.

    @Omnes Omnibus

    Technically, those 3 not out but rather pre-designated as uncommitted by party rules.

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    Eric U. says:

    when I was a 1st Lieutenant, someone handed me a list of documents about jet engines and said to classify them. A contractor had already given all the documents on the list to a country that was part of the former Soviet bloc. I called some Colonel up and asked him how I was supposed to do it, and he blew up at me so I just marked them all secret and walked away. Nobody ever said anything to me, and the contractor is still doing fine, so I figure that leak didn’t hurt anyone.

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    amk says:

    go away jeb$

    Bush and his SuperPACs could have bought every one of his Iowa voters a new car.

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    Corner Stone says:

    God, why won’t Chuckles Todd stop talking? Or, absent that, why won’t someone shove a package of tube socks down his fucking throat?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: He’ll win NH.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Polling has Clinton losing NH, winning SC, and with a majority of clear wins on Super Tuesday.

    Practically, I’ll bet she has the nomination virtually sewn-up by the end of March. Sanders is excellent at retail politics, which Iowa and NH favor, but he doesn’t have the political organization needed to run a national campaign and in all 50 states.

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    Keith G says:

    @Anoniminous: You are correct.

    Delegate totals mentioned tonight are essentially estimates of what the final delegate count is once the state conventions have met and done their things.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    Vote that hasn’t reported: Des Moines & Cedar Rapids (Hillary strongholds)

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    NotMax says:

    Bernie slipped a tad into Prof. Irwin Corey mode tonight.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Eric U.: I had a colleague at Temple University – a historian so old that when he started he was actually doing current events. Anyhow, during WW II he was an intel officer in Europe. He used to tell the story that one day he tried to get something out of one of the classified file cabinets that was rarely accessed, but couldn’t get the top drawer open. When he finally got the drawer open he pulled out what had been jamming the file cabinet closed: a German language textbook. That’s right, during WW II we classified the German language and, as far as anyone knows, we’ve never declassified it.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Mein Gott!

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    NotMax says:

    @Anonimous

    The difference this year being that the R delegates each step of the way are required to not change their votes on the first ballot, unlike their status when Ron Paul slipped in and took the brass ring.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Now you’ve done it, Article 15 coming your way!

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @Anoniminous: Super Tuesday is March 1st. 11 states — 3 in north, 7 in south, 1 in west.

    She wins 9 of 11. Sanders wins Vermont and perhaps Minnesota.

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    @Omnes Omnibus:
    He needed both. He needed to be a ‘winner’. He needed results good enough to shake up settled minds, because nationally things have been steady in the ‘Hillary wins by a fat margin’ category. If he loses Iowa, he doesn’t have that. It was his only chance at shaking things up.

    EDIT – Let me be clear, he needed this ‘winner’ reputation just to have an underdog’s chance. Without Iowa and NH both, it’s over.

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    Heliopause says:

    @Bobby Thomson:

    Mostly talking GOP. Polls were way off on Trump and Rubio. On the Dem side the poll averages were Clinton +3 or 4,which isn’t bad, but some individual polls had big Clinton wins

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    @NotMax:

    Irwin Corey was actually quite astute though most people missed that. Saw him dress down a pro-Vietnam war actor on Carson one time where the guy didn’t even know how thoroughly he was being mocked.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @NotMax & @Keith G: :

    Good. They’ve been doing it that way since the 1840s & I like that way of doing things. It’s a real trip to know what you, as an individual, are doing matters.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    I don’t think it’ll matter in the long run, but the President is right for the time between NH and SC

    Richard M. Nixon ‏@ dick_nixon 2m2 minutes ago
    The press. The press. It is about the press. Sanders will win New Hampshire, and then the press will do his work for him.

    @Bobby Thomson: I wonder if it could cause some blowback

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    @efgoldman:
    Right. He gets NH, and probably a couple of other states, but he can’t change the status quo – and the status quo is ‘He’s doomed.’

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    David *Rafael* Koch says:

    If Carly throws a victory party and nobody show, does it make a sound she get her deposit back?

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    Heliopause says:

    I’m on the left coast and going to bed. I hope the Dems are still too close to call when I get up in the morn.

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    You wanna talk old?

    Andrew Marshall, director of the Pentagon’s Office of Net Assessment, was nearly 94 when he stepped down last year. Had held the same position since the office was created in 1973 under Nixon.

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    amk says:

    ted cruz who?

    RNC chairman’s statement does not mention Cruz or GOP results at all.

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    divF says:

    @LanceThruster:
    Irwin Corey is still alive, as far as The Google can tell. He was born July 29, 1914.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Adam L Silverman: My full discharge came in 1996. Good luck.

    @Frankensteinbeck: He can argue IA and he will win NH. For media purposes he is viable. Electorally, I don’t think he ever had a chance. **For Sanders supporters, I will willingly eat digital crow if I am wrong. If you care about that, bookmark this and remind me later.**

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    Mai.naem.mobile says:

    Anybody know how many people showed up for the Dems.vs. the Reps. I think I heard the Reps were above 150K probably below 200K.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    I feel like Sanders is becoming more astringent and more hectoring as he has more success.

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    Emerald says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: Agree. He’s promising a revolution that will sweep the establishment (and the Republicans) out of office. Well, Iowa is one of his best states. Where’s the sweep? If he can’t sweep here, he can’t do it nationally.

    Having said that, however, give the guy credit for apparently achieving a tie. That is a better than expected outcome for him and it’s got to make the Clinton camp step up their game. Plus, lots of very nice people love Sanders (my sis is one). They’re not all Bros. I’m happy to see them get some joy out of this, as I’m sure they will.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: the press won’t report on it because it doesn’t fit the narrative. Sanders won’t push it because it makes his people look like losers and assholes. Clinton won’t push it because it’s people calling her a liar. It will be bulletin board material below the radar for a few months and then people will gradually forget it ever happened.

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    satby says:

    OT a bit, but congrats to Laramie and his wife Sylvia on her chemo results!

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    NotMax says:

    @Lance Thruster

    Was?

    He’s 101 and still gets out to go on stage from time to time.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: Those guys and gals do some good work.

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    @Omnes Omnibus:
    The media thought Romney was going to win. People heard he was zooming up and going to take Iowa and New Hampshire. There was going to be a revolution. If he doesn’t get Iowa, that bubble pops, and it was all he had. He probably never did have a chance, but the only argument you could have made for him included winning both IA and NH.

    EDIT – @Emerald:

    Plus, lots of very nice people love Sanders (my sis is one). They’re not all Bros. I’m happy to see them get some joy out of this, as I’m sure they will.

    I agree. I think he picked up the obnoxious Naderites and the ratfuckers, and they are obnoxious as Hell, but they are NOT representative of his voters and it’s embarrassing and annoying that they pretend to be.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Trump’s 44,837 second place votes would have been a total wipe-out in 2014, Santorum and Romney got ~29,000 apiece. There has been 184,318 total votes so far on the GOP side. That is ~60,000 more than in 2014.

    Something to keep an eye on. If the GOP are fired-up this election could be more of a struggle than I anticipated.

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    WarMunchkin says:

    Well, this has been a fantastic night for Democrats. I like seeing two decent-in-their-own-ways and flawed-in-their-own-ways people basically be honored by our electorate.

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    @Anoniminous:
    I am just a little worried about the new voters on the Republican side, but at the moment it’s just ‘something to keep an eye on.’

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @WarMunchkin: Harrumph!

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    JGabriel says:

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    Anybody know how many people showed up for the Dems.vs. the Reps. I think I heard the Reps were above 150K probably below 200K.

    I don’t know the numbers, but I suspect the Republic party had a higher turnout this time around than the Dems. NYT is speculating that a much larger number of voters than anticipated showed up to vote against Trump.

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: We only have to pretend to be even handed another 28 days. Time enough for a zombie or rehab movie.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @JGabriel: Theres going to be a yuuuuuuuuuuuge anti-Trump vote in November, especially by latinos, mooslims, & blacks

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    Anoniminous says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch:

    And the Island of Samoa!

    Looking at the rest of the schedule and with Clinton’s lead in women voters I don’t see how she doesn’t get the nomination.

    @Mai.naem.mobile:

    See my comment @ 279

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    NotMax says:

    The real loser tonight?

    Gov. Terry “Vote for anyone except Cruz” Branstad, whose political clout and acumen took a beating.

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    satby says:

    @David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch: even if Trump isn’t on the R ticket?

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    NotMax says:

    @Adam L. Silverman

    Yes indeedy. Work which has all too often been undervalued in recent times.

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    Redshift says:

    @Emerald: Both Clinton and Sanders have better than 80% approval among Democrats, so, yeah, a lot of people who are not assholes like him.

    I understand that elections are about drawing contrasts, but I hope supporters of both campaigns figure out that in an electorate where most of the people you’re trying to appeal to like your opponent (even if they’re not committed to either candidate), trying to paint him/her as the Antichrist is probably not going to be effective.

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    Keith G says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    and the status quo is ‘He’s doomed.

    No matter the outcome of tonight, Sanders has done his job and done it amazingly well. In the end, President-elect Clinton will need to write him a glowing thank you letter.

    Last Autumn, the story was that the Democratic race might be so boring that participation could suffer. The race that Bernie has been running put the lie to that. Assuming things play out as it appear they will, Sanders will hand off to Clinton a sizable collection of energized voters – a number of whom HRC may not have been able to energize on her own. Of course it is up to her to keep them active and get them integrated.

    Jennifer Jacobs (Chief politics reporter at The Des Moines Register) is among the reporters I have read who say that most Sanders supporters they have asked would move on to support Hillary should their candidate not be successful.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    and why the pointless name calling & bickering & gratuitous insults piss me off. Work and be dedicated and fight for your candidate – absolutely – but at the end of the day we HAVE GOT to come together to kick elephant ass.

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    amk says:

    @NotMax:

    yup. grassley was smarter playing to all the kkklowns.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Adam L Silverman:
    Now it’s been over 4 decades but I had a TS/need to know in the navy. No one ever said I couldn’t tell anyone that. Was told that I couldn’t disclose anything that fell under any classification to anyone that wasn’t classified that level or higher and if they were need to know, I wouldn’t be the one to make that determination.

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    Kropadope says:

    @NotMax:

    The real loser tonight?

    Don’t forget Jeb Bush and Santorum. Although it appears Iowa has.

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    David 🍁Canadian Anchor Baby🍁 Koch says:

    @satby: Cruz is more unlikable than Trump

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    seaboogie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: You are one of my “elevator” people – the ones I wouldn’t mind being stuck in an elevator with.

    I imagine that the conversation would be quite interesting for quite a long while, before it would just go over my head, and I would be all “Dude, do you think you could get us out of here?” And you’d be all “Yeah, sure…” and MacGuyver it with martial arts moves and a pocket knife you were carrying.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Betting markets (which, as we all know, are measures of conventional wisdom more than anything else) seem to have flipped massively to predicting that Marco Rubio will get the nomination on the basis of tonight’s results. A strong third place is apparently enough.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Matt McIrvin: His speech was obviously a victory speech, and he almost as obviously was getting wicked dry mouth but knew he couldn’t reach for water and it was driving him crazy.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @seaboogie: God, you do not want to be in an elevator with him. From his description of his eating habits, he may well be gassy.

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    Juju says:

    @seaboogie: I think Adam would also have dental floss and some wintergreen Lifesavers handy as well.

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    Arclite says:

    and, of course, the fact that he “has no interest in a Cabinet position” doesn’t preclude him accepting one next January.

    Or a VP slot in May.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @seaboogie: Who the hell picks lists of people they would not mind being stuck in an elevator with? That sounds like the absolute worst venue to be jammed into with a stranger or semi-stranger.
    Is one of your other lists including people who you desire to be in a phone booth or rolled up rug with?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Arclite: On no one’s VP short list, medium list, long list or eternal list.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Corner Stone: I would say he seems like the logical choice for either candidate. He’s from a different region of the country with a different background in office and much younger than either Sanders or Clinton.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @NotMax: As much as I don’t want to work in the Pentagon, that’s one office I’d love to get a billet in. I’ve never actually seen them advertise a position though…

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Ruckus: Yep, that’s how its always been explained to me. So we’re either going to be cell mates together at Leavenworth or we’re in the clear.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @seaboogie: I’m flattered. A little concerned, but flattered nonetheless.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I may resemble that remark. At times.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @Juju: I’m a tic tac and those soft peppermint/candy cane mints kind of guy. If I’ve got my briefcase, then yes I’d have floss.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    And I’m to bed. Night all!

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    @PsiFighter37: @Baud: @NotMax:

    Sorry. You are right. Past tense referring to a specific encounter I saw.

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    Oops. Reply misdirected to two other posters.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Who the hell picks lists of people they would not mind being stuck in an elevator with?

    Someone who has been stuck in an elevator with someone. Happily for me, it was a really cool crusty old woman from my apartment building, and I had just gone to the bathroom before I got on, so I was able to be chill about the whole experience. It’s not exactly like lightning striking – it really could happen. For me, it did.

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    seaboogie says:

    @Adam L Silverman: Don’t be concerned. I’ve been in that actual sitch, so I have a reason to go there, conceptually.

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    sukabi says:

    @The Dangerman: if you thought that you weren’t paying attention AT ALL. By the time it was Monica’s turn at bat there had already been several verified dalliances. I wasn’t paying attention to politics then, but you couldn’t avoid the press reports.

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    henqiguai says:

    @seaboogie (#297):

    …and MacGuyver it with martial arts moves and a pocket knife you were carrying.

    No, aikido doesn’t work against elevator machinery; a recalcitrant and bullying elevator *operator*, on the other hand….

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    mclaren says:

    Give the man this: He fought valiantly, and is getting out in time to avoid making a fool of himself. He’s young enough to try again in four years, or eight — and, of course, the fact that he “has no interest in a Cabinet position” doesn’t preclude him accepting one next January.

    Nope, knowing Hillary, she’ll be doing the old Bill Clinton/Barack Obama triangulation bullshit, so she’ll jam her cabinet chock full of hard core movement conservatives to show how “balanced” she is. As her policies drift farther and farther right until they become indistinguishable with Dubya’s, the Beltway press will praise her for her “balance” and “fairness.” Meanwhile, the middle class will collapse until cities burn with massive riots and endless unwinnable foreign wars will trash our economy and crush us with an uncontrollable deficit to the point where Americans beg for a military coup to fix the mess.

    Good times.

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