Dropping the Seventh Veil: Christianists Embrace Trump

Why should the other bigots have all the fun? In case Sarah “Bible Spice” Palin’s endorsement wasn’t enough to make it official, the Grey Lady lifted her soiled skirts and stepped into the morass, to explain how “Evangelicals See Donald Trump as Man of Conviction, if Not Faith”:

Brash, thrice-married, cosseted in a gilded tower high above Fifth Avenue and fond of swearing from the stage at his rallies, Mr. Trump, who has spent his career in pursuit, and praise, of wealth, would seem an odd fit for voters who place greater value on faith, hope and charity.

Yet polls increasingly show Mr. Trump well in front of the crowded Republican field among white evangelical voters, despite competition including Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, whose father is an evangelical pastor; Mr. Huckabee, the 2008 Iowa caucus winner; former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a Roman Catholic whose story of raising a daughter with a disability struck a chord with voters and helped push him to victory in the 2012 Iowa caucuses; and Ben Carson, a Seventh-day Adventist who brought prayer into the operating room as a neurosurgeon and has spoken frequently about his Christian beliefs as a candidate.

A New York Times/CBS News poll last week showed Mr. Trump, a Presbyterian, dominating the field with 42 percent of evangelical voters; Mr. Cruz was second with 25 percent.

In dozens of interviews with evangelical voters in 16 states, from every region of the country outside the Northeast, those supporting Mr. Trump sounded a familiar refrain: that his heart was in the right place, that his intentions for the country were pure, that he alone was capable of delivering to a troubled country salvation in the here and now

And on Monday, Mr. Trump spoke at Liberty University, the Lynchburg, Va., institution founded by the late Rev. Jerry Falwell. Mr. Trump has been wooing Jerry Falwell Jr., and Mr. Falwell lavished praise on him, comparing Mr. Trump to Jesus and the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., for voicing unpopular thoughts…

Rev. Hucksterbee and Rick Sanctorum — let’s face it! — are luzers, and nobody likes that guy Cruz. Their god is a strong god, a winning god, one never hesitant to rain down destruction or crush another horde of unbelievers. Their god is YOOOOOGE.

And the Trumpenfuhrer is ready to lead them to glory, per NYMag:

“Christianity, it’s under siege,” the GOP front-runner said at the Evangelical college’s morning convocation. “We don’t band together. Other religions, frankly, they’re banding together … we have to unify. We have to band together, we have to do really, in a really large version, what they’ve done at Liberty.”…

The mogul further argued that “the Bible is the best,” though he had some difficulty in trying to quote it.

“Two Corinthians 3:17, that’s the whole ballgame. ‘Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty,’” Trump said, inspiring chuckles from an audience that knows that chapter of Scripture by its god-given name of “Second Corinthians.”…

“In my opinion, Mr. Trump lives a life of loving and helping others … as Jesus taught in the New Testament,” Falwell said on Monday…

Second-gen religious hustler knows: Hustler Trump got serious game.

Our own Siubhan Duinne linked to Daniel Danger‘s amazing Storify post, “I went to a Donald Trump rally and saw a man wearing a plastic bag as a shirt”:

… I picked seats on the floor, partially to commit to simply being a bit more “in the shit”. I chose an aisle seat that had a clear open line of sight to the podium, and also offered a moderate amount of “phone privacy” by having an empty space to my right. Which turned out to be useful because the people behind me were actively trying to read my phone all night…

I missed who the speaker was, but he went on a whole bit about how there were Democrats hiding in the audience, and they probably wouldn’t/shouldn’t identify themselves due to “past incidents”, and because they were basically outnumbered in the room. And this was said in a joking manner to get a laugh from the room. Perhaps “past incidents” referred to Trump supporters beating and kicking a Latino man at a rally in Miami, The Black Lives Matter protester kicked and beaten at a Trump rally in Alabama, or the Trump supporters beating and peeing on a homeless Latino man because “Donald Trump was right.”…

By this point, a good number of Non-Trumpsucklers had been removed from the room. Some were protestors who shouted out or held signs and drew attention to themselves, and others were simply people who the mob had identified as an outsider and became aggressive towards. I saw many bursts of shouting people pop up in the stands surrounding a person who was sitting down just existing. Police didnt ask any questions, they just escorted people out. It quickly became a gleeful game to the room: find the democrat, yell at them, police intervene, everyone cheers. Trump declared this “Fun”, specifically more fun than talking about politics.

This was also the moment where I realized I was the subject of a witch hunt. I was quiet, I wasnt applauding racist bullshit, I wasnt cheering when Immigrant Rights protestors were hauled away. So I had put a giant red flag up by my non-participation. I was listening and taking notes on my phone, occasionally leaning over to my friend to clarify things. But this made the people around me suspicious, and people dont like when they see someone forming an outside line that might communicate the happenings within their little safe space to the outside world…

Seriously, you should read the whole thing!

Not really a surprise that Gawker could say that “White Nationalists Still Love Trump, Even After He Denounced Their Robocall”

101 replies
  1. 1
    andy says:

    Mr. Trump, who has spent his career in pursuit, and praise, of wealth, would seem an odd fit for voters who place greater value on faith, hope and charity.

    That is, if you never heard of the prosperity gospel. Cash is king, and nobody says Cash like Trump. Right wing christians are happy to support anybody who trumpets their actual ideals- he loves cash and hates all the same people they do, and so they are happy to forgive Trump’s pecadillos in the name of ¢hri$tian ¢harity.

  2. 2
    g says:

    Wow, so now you can’t even BE IN THE ROOM unless you swear fealty to the king?

  3. 3
    The Lodger says:

    I can’t hear “Two Corinthians…” without wanting to add, “walked into a bar.

    It was a leather bar.”

    (Forgive me, Ricardo Montalban.)

  4. 4
    Mnemosyne says:

    As Fred Clark has spent much time telling us, most self-identified Evangelical Christians are racists. That’s the foundation of most of their denominations, which split off before the Civil War.

    So, no, I’m not at all surprised that those voters would pick Trump, the most openly racist candidate, over the candidates who ostensibly share the same religious beliefs. Their true belief is in racism, not Jesus.

  5. 5
    NotMax says:

    @The Lodger

    “The Chrysler Cordoba. As good a car as I am an actor.”

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    I read

    the college’s morning convocation

    as

    the college’s moronic convocation

    Which surprised me as unusually candid from NYT.

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    g says:

    That was actually a really scary read. Even though Trump is not going to win, I don’t know how the GOP is going to put the Hate back into its box.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Seconded: that piece Siobhan linked to is worth a read

    @The Lodger: @efgoldman: whenever I hear that name, I hear Rip Torn as Artie the Producer on Larry Sanders. “We could call my good friend Ricardo Montalban!”

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    jl says:

    @Mnemosyne: And, just as important, authoritarians.

    I read through D Danger’s article. That was the VIP section? Maybe at Trump rallies, VIP stands for Very Insane People? It was anticlimactic: he didn’t get kicked out. But it was a good guide for reporters and moles for infiltrating Trumpismo, just wear something weird, act like a belligerent maniac, and yell a lot, and you’re golden. No one will suspect a thing.

    Edit: Danger article reminds me of an open question. How many of those Trump maniacs understand, can figure out, or bother to care about actually voting or caucusing? Will be interesting to see. May not make a difference in any primary state where he has a double digit lead. But will be important in the general election and where primary races get tight.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @The Lodger:

    I can’t hear “Two Corinthians…” without wanting to add, “walked into a bar.

    It was a leather bar,

    with toys in the salon just beyond the main room.”

  11. 11
    Prescott Cactus says:

    @andy:

    ” …greater value on faith, hope and charity “

    .

    Had to Google it. Thought Faith, Hope Charity were Trumps wives names. . . For the record it, Ivana, Marla and Melania

  12. 12
    RaflW says:

    @g:

    Wow, so now you can’t even BE IN THE ROOM unless you swear fealty to the king?

    Namby-pamby journalists are just there to mock him. Or otherwise advance the left wing agenda of college graduates or some shit.

    It is sort of amazing that Trump feels flattered by these morons. Speaks to his lifelong, deep seated insecurities.

    BTW the NYT biz section piece on Sunday about his pursuit of and later loss via bankruptcy of the Plaza Hotel was interesting and shed light on this, his last really big long con.

  13. 13
    chopper says:

    voters who place greater value on faith, hope and charity.

    facts not in evidence. these people don’t give a shit about faith, hope and charity. they care about money, spite and death.

  14. 14
    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Someone needs to figure out the political mystery of the modern age: why the hell can’t Republicans nominate a real conservative??? Every four years, that’s the mission. Every four years, mission failed.

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    Mike J says:

    If Trump gets the nomination, expect fundegelical churches to start referring to one and two Corinthians. They really don’t give a shit about religion, it’s all politics.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @The Lodger:

    Laughing so hard at that, I may not get to sleep tonight.

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    sukabi says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: because they’ve been carefully unpacking the racism, hate, fear over the last 40 years and somewhere in the last 20 years all the other policy stuff that was rolled up with it got lost. They’ve been mainlining the hate, racism and fear for the last 15 years and that’s all they have left.

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    Mike J says:

    @efgoldman:

    I hope Always Wrong Krisol and Georgie Porgie Will and the Newtnick are happy with their creation.

    Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol 7h7 hours ago

    OMG. Sarah Palin has gone rogue.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    A rich classyCorinthian Leather bar.

    There.

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    RaflW says:

    @efgoldman: Chrysler was exemplary in its crapitude. Well, AMC was worse, but they were such a small fry. Ford was also pooping out things like the deeply regrettable Fairmont (Mom’s car, and really lame).
    But. Our ’77 Buick LeSabre (dad’s car, of course) was surprisingly well made. Those GM V8s were solid, as were the 3 speed automatics. Pretty fast, pretty smooth, and decently reliable … by late 70s standards, anyway. Seriously lacking in flair or anything. And head and shoulders above the soon to come Citation/X platform boxes of rattly bolts.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @andy:

    Mr. Trump, who has spent his career in pursuit, and praise, of wealth, would seem an odd fit for voters who place greater value on faith, hope and charity.

    Good thing that fundamentalists don’t. It’s all about hating the right people with them. He’s golden.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @efgoldman:

    A rich classy Corinthian Leather bar.

    There.

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    RaflW says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Someone needs to figure out the political mystery of the modern age: why the hell can’t Republicans nominate a real conservative?

    Because real conservatism is a hoax? A chimera? A marketing slogan?

  24. 24
    Doug R says:

    Matthew 6:24 ain’t big with this bunch, is it?

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    Mike J says:

    @Doug R: As popular as Matthew 6:1

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    GregB says:

    It seems legions of these Trumpista’s are way beyond being shamed by a “at long last have you left no sense of decency” moment.

    Got finally heard some of Palin’s babble from today. She is just horrible, callow, negative and foolish.

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    chopper says:

    @RaflW:

    Because they don’t actually want a conservative. they want a fascist. which is why trump is going so far.

  28. 28
    Mike in NC says:

    A month ago we were in Nuremberg and frankly Trump would probably find the Nazi grandstands disappointing. Over the years they have been falling apart and not much really remains today. Controversy is over preserving some of it or just bulldozing the whole mess.

    Maybe Trump can rent the Meadowlands to stage a cross burning.

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    J R in WV says:

    @RaflW:

    My Dad bought one of the last American convertibles from Buick, I think it was a 1972 – big as a bus!

    In less than 18 months there was rust through both rear fenders all around the wheel well. He was able to make them fix it, and traded it for a German roadster directly after they got it fixed and returned to him. He was so Pissed!

    ETA: Also, don’t forget the GM diesels of that era, blew up faster than a party balloon! You can’t bolt a diesel on after it was designed to run on gasoline!

    He gave up on American cars right then.

    Thanking FSM for Balloon-Juice and all your comments – it helps me keep my shit together during this election season. Seeing Republican commercials on TV (you can tell who is a Republican, they don’t tell you which party they are in here in WVa) with lying dogs over and over, already, is making it hard for me to sleep.

    Keep up the good work, all!

    And FSM bless the Democratic Party!! Keeping America safe for Democracy and protected from Fascism since 1932 ~!!!~

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    tofubo says:

    what’s worse, a trump / palin ticket or a rubix / cubio ??

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    Mike J says:

    @Mike in NC: How did you find the Christmas market? (Turned left at Plobenhofstraße !)

    Tomorrow’s NY Daily News cover.

  32. 32
    gelfling545 says:

    I finally realized how Trump will get Mexico (and probably most other countries in the world) to pay for a wall if he, dog help us, were to be elected. They will want to be sure none of us can get out of this loonie bin.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @efgoldman: Bob Dole said that Bob Dole may not be able to make it to the polls on election day if Failgunner Ted is the nominee(not sure about tRump).

  34. 34
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: that’s a rather optimistic condition Bob Dole put on Bob Dole’s future plans

    I guess that’s too soon in a couple of ways

    ETA: Was it in 2000 that Bob Dole forgot Bob Dole’s wife was pretending to run for president, and Bob Dole endorsed John McCain? One of the funniest political moments, pre-Palin

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Mike J: The markets were all very charming and interesting but we didn’t see much stuff we needed, since the wife has an entire attic filled with Christmas decorations, including many things her dad brought back from Occupied Germany in 1946.

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    sigaba says:

    The linked article is incredible. It’s about what I expected but still.

  37. 37
    sigaba says:

    @Mike J: “Frey’s death is sad, but I still loathe The Eagles”

    DUDE LEBOWSKI FOR PRESIDENT 2016. HE REALLY TIES THE ROOM TOGETHER.

  38. 38
    RandomMonster says:

    The Danger article was like a horrific newsreel I couldn’t stop viewing.

  39. 39
    Mike J says:

    @sigaba: I like

    Sarah’s drunk son beat gal pal, waved rifle: cops

    Waved a rifle when the cops were present, and is not only still alive, but only charged with a misdemeanor.

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    Xenos says:

    Coming from the northeast, I could never figure out why evangelicals go on so much about how much disdain and derision they suffer from coastal elites. I mean, as a relatively secular coastal elitist, one does not waste time openly ridiculing religious people. One just ignores them as they are not part of any interesting conversations.

    But the complaints from that quarter are so persistant and so embedded in the way evangelicals think about themselves, regardless of the evidence, that something else is going on. At a basic level these communities are aware that the perfect Bible is riddled with self-refuting inconsistencies that make a mockery of standard fundamentalist readings and interpretations. That they know that most of their fellow believers are motivated by racism and classism, that their preachers are grifters, that what passes for spirituality is just superstition and magical thinking, and that the business of evangelical religion is riddled with cynicism.

    So, given with the conflict between what they they know (but can not admit) and they believe, they project these criticism onto others and then repeatedly denounce these others in the course of public announcements. They are not talking to or about anyone else, just to and about their own collective subconscious which is all too aware the entire edifice is rotten bullshit.

  41. 41
    slag says:

    Obviously we all had to go through metal detectors

    Wait what?!? Are they just inviting terrorists to take over Trump rallies now?

  42. 42

    It’s like a real life version of The Lottery.

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    Adam L Silverman says:

    @sigaba: I just got back to the computer and wanted to let you know I replied to your comment in the Bayghazi thread. Didn’t want to think I left you hanging.

    Same thing with the Republic Blah Blah Blah – if you’re still up.

    And now I’m to bed.

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    BR says:

    John Michael Greer (no fan of Democrats any more than Republicans) had an interesting post a couple years back that was very detailed about how the prosperity gospel and its ilk is actually an inversion of what is taught in the bible, and how that inversion is aligned with Ayn Rand:

    http://thearchdruidreport.blog.....ation.html

  45. 45
    BR says:

    Since my comment landed in moderation, here’s the excerpt from the John Michael Greer post:

    Here are the passages I found in which Jesus tells his followers that they have a duty to take care of children, the poor, and other vulnerable people:

    Matthew 18:6, 18:10, 19:21, 23:14, and 25:31-46; Mark 9:36-37, 10:21, and 12:40; and Luke 10:30-37, 11:41, 12:33, 14:12-14, 18:22, and 20:47.

    Here are the passages in which Jesus tells his followers to pay their taxes without complaining:

    Matthew 5:42, 17:24-27, and 22:19-21; Mark 12:14-17; and Luke 6:30 and 20:21-25.

    Here are the passages in which Jesus tells his followers that they aren’t supposed to obsess about other people’s sins, but should leave that to God, and attend to their own moral failings instead:

    Matthew 7:1-5 and 9:10-13; Mark 2:15-17; Luke 6:37, 6:41-42, 7:44-48, 15:2, 18:10-14, and 19:7; and John 8:2-11.

    And here are the passages in which Jesus tells his followers to blame the poor and vulnerable for their plight, direct benefits toward the already well-to-do at the expense of everyone else, refuse to pay their fair share of taxes, and obsessively denounce and punish the sins of people they don’t like while finding every opportunity to excuse their own sins and those of their friends:

    Yet these latter are the things that a great many Republicans, and in particular a great many of those Republicans who claim to be motivated by their Christian faith, have been pursuing in practice, if not always advocating in theory. If they’re deriving their commitments from a religion, it’s pretty clearly not the one taught by Jesus. Many people have made this same point in recent years, but it doesn’t seem to have occurred to any of them that another religion that’s active in today’s America does teach all the things the GOP supports. That religion, of course, is Satanism, and more specifically the version of it taught in Anton Szandor LaVey’s The Satanic Bible.

  46. 46
    Suzanne says:

    I am kinda surprised that Caribou Barbie endorsed the Short-Fingered Vulgarian. I would have guessed she’d endorse Cruz, because GAWD.

    Slate had the best headline I may have ever seen: “Hot Mess Endorses Dumpster Fire”. LMMFAO.

  47. 47
    cmorenc says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead:

    Someone needs to figure out the political mystery of the modern age: why the hell can’t Republicans nominate a real conservative??? Every four years, that’s the mission. Every four years, mission failed.

    Also, too every four years, there’s the complementary phenomena of the modern age: why the hell can’d Democrats nominate a real liberal? Every four years, that mission fails, too, according to self-styled keepers of the genuine progressive flame who frequently busy themselves counting the latest way President Barack Obama has failed them. Except maybe we’re less mystified or bamboozled by the question than is the hard-core conservative base of the GOP.

  48. 48
    cmorenc says:

    @Xenos:

    Coming from the northeast, I could never figure out why evangelicals go on so much about how much disdain and derision they suffer from coastal elites.

    In part, because one of the core themes of Evangelical Christianity, second only to belief in salvation brought to sinners by Jesus Christ, is that true Christianity is a persecuted religion, including here in the US, its believers mocked and disdained by token Christians and secularists alike.

    This belief is unshakably protected by epistemic closure against even such obvious evidence as the obviously numerous churches lining the streets of most American cities at frequent intervals, and the fact that Evangelical colleges like Liberty University stay open, unchallenged by any government.

  49. 49
    scav says:

    @slag:

    Obviously we all had to go through metal detectors

    Clearly a typo for mental detectors. Anyone packing an IQ is clearly an infiltrator looking to cause trouble.

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    David *Born in the USA* Koch says:

    💙💙 Tomorrow’s Front Page – NY Daily News — 50 lbs. of awesome in a 10 lbs bag 💙💙

  51. 51
    Jager says:

    @efgoldman:

    My father was a car dealer, he’d never gave us new cars or even a deal on a new one. We’d look at the used car auction list and pick up a decent car for short money. I had pretty good luck with the “tired iron” from the auctions. My younger brother, not so much. He got a year old Cordoba, silver with red guts. The old man told him not to waste his money, but the soon to be attorney wouldn’t listen and bought it anyway. I was home for Christmas that year and he’d had the car for 5 months. The headliner was duct taped to the window moldings so it wouldn’t hang down on the fine Corinthian leather. The car ran ok but the interior ate itself alive. I was riding to a bar with my little bro, he hit a pothole and the glove box door fell off onto my winter boots. A real shit box.

  52. 52
    danielx says:

    “In my opinion, Mr. Trump lives a life of loving and helping others … as Jesus taught in the New Testament,” Falwell said on Monday…

    The only person Donald Trump has consistently loved and helped is…Donald Trump.

    Fucking bible. How does it work?

  53. 53
    David *Born in the USA* Koch says:

    Jerry Los Angeles 6 hours ago

    This is a win-win for Democrats. Palin only appeals to Cruz voters which dooms Cruz. Palin will destroy any chance Trump as in a general election. You can’t come up with a better scenario for Hillary.

    324Recommend

  54. 54
    mclaren says:

    Even the most devout acolytes eventually fall to their knees to worship Mammon when tempted with sufficient piles of cash and sufficiently limitless promises of power.

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    max says:

    @Mike J:

    Sarah’s drunk son beat gal pal, waved rifle: cops

    I read that as ‘Sarah’s drunk son begat gal pal (who) waved rifle at cops’.

    Cyperpunk as biblical lit!

    max
    [‘And Lo, the son of God did produce a bespoke basket, from which came an endless stream of nanobots to feed the people…’]

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    mclaren says:

    @David *Born in the USA* Koch:

    50 lbs. of awesome in a 10 lbs bag

    Or perhaps what my father called a “blivot” — “ten pounds of shit in a five-pound bag.” Also:

    A situation or item that is foolishly perceived to be simple and easily manageable when if fact it is twice as complicated and unmanageable as first foolishly perceived.

    Source: urban dictionary online.

    Which well describes the 2016 Republican duel to death in a sewer misnamed the presidential primaries…

  57. 57
    slag says:

    @scav: Trump’s only battles of wits are with unarmed people.

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    max says:

    @danielx: Fucking bible. How does it work?

    It’s the gold-gilted Trump Edition of the All-American Bible, available from quality book stands and fine department stores.

    max
    [‘And lo, did The Donald take her unto wife, and blessed her with a mighty fine set of gazongas, real quality surgery there, no scars.’]

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    max says:

    would seem an odd fit for voters who place greater value on faith, hope and charity.

    ‘Eye of the Tiger’ is BLARING

    Look, man, Eye of the Tiger never does anything but BLARE anytime you play because its a completely shit song which is apparently EXACTLY why it’s popular.

    THIS is the Trumpbaggers’ problem in a fucking nutshell: they don’t think Eye of the Tiger sucks.

    max
    [‘And that’s why they lack Charity, chastity, prudence and hope.’]

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    The “Prosperity Gospel” is the most vile heresy ever in the history of Christianity. It’s a total contradiction of everything Jesus supposedly preached.

    No wonder these foul people love the short fingered vulgarian.

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    mclaren says:

    @cmorenc:

    Someone needs to figure out the political mystery of the modern age: why the hell can’t Republicans nominate a real conservative??? Every four years, that’s the mission. Every four years, mission failed.
    Also, too every four years, there’s the complementary phenomena of the modern age: why the hell can’d Democrats nominate a real liberal?

    C’mon, folks…this is obvious. Corporations have eaten America’s political system. We now have one political party with two right wings, both corporate-controlled. Corporate Democrats advocate endless unwinnable foreign wars with limitless growth of corporation power at home, slow erosion of the social safety net and repeal of any regulations which impinge on the corporations’ Jabba-the-Hut-like appetite for destruction of everyone and everything that can be converted into hard cash. Republicans are the same, just slightly more so. DINOs like Hillary want to bomb Iran, RINOs like Cruz want to bomb every country in the middle east. DINOs like Hillary propose not requiring a federal increase in the minimum wage (“I think we should let states handle that”) while RINOs like Trump want to abolish the minimum wage. Slightly different flavors of corporate oligarchic tyranny.

    Coming soon: one major presidential candidate in either party will propose making slavery legal…

    Oh. Wait. That’s already happened:

    Huckabee Suggests Poor People Should Be Sold Into Slavery For Stealing”

  62. 62
    Groucho48 says:

    From Palin’s speech:

    Now, finally friends, I want you to try to picture this, it’s a nice thing to picture. Exactly one year from tomorrow, former President Barack Obama. He packs up the teleprompters and the selfie-sticks, and the Greek columns, and all that hopey, changey stuff and he heads on back to Chicago, where I’m sure he can find some community there to organize again. There, he can finally look up, President Obama will be able to look up, and there, over his head, he’ll be able to see that shining, towering, Trump tower.

    Getting a little phallic, aren’t we? She talks about Obama’s stick and columns and contrasts it to Trump’s shining, towering tower. Maybe Todd’s been away from her too long? Anyway, I think her id is connected to the overall right wing id. And, that’s the kind of imagery that excites them. A big , BIG man dominating them…err…the world.

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    David *Born in the USA* Koch says:

    @max:

    ‘Sarah’s drunk son begat gal pal (who) waved rifle at cops’.

    they waved a carbine at cops and weren’t shot? only in white america.

  64. 64
    max says:

    @efgoldman: I had a used ’67 Dodge Coronet, 318 V-8. I loved that car. Engine blew, wasn’t worth replacing

    318 blows up real easy was the problem. (And stayed the problem, unfortunately.)

    @efgoldman: A ’74 Satellite also with a 318. Not the same car. The engine was detuned to meet new anti-pollution regs;

    Better to have got the 360 option at the time. Still tend to blow up but more power to offset the pollution controls.

    Sad part is I could fixed all that (but not the body meltdown), and still could apparently, much better than new with a new crate engine.

    max
    [‘That sort of thing always makes me sad.’]

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    Ruckus says:

    Unless I’m misreading the thread it seems no one has mentioned the elephant in the room.
    Did tDump pay Caribou Moron to endorse him? He is used to paying for things he wants and wanting the endorsement of someone who is exactly like his supporters to actually be one of them would be exactly like him. Paying for a loud, obnoxious, tarted up anything is tDump.

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    Death Panel Truck says:

    @J R in WV: The 350 gasoline blocks were reinforced for the Oldsmobile diesel, but there weren’t enough head bolts to handle the higher cylinder pressures. The fuel injectors and pumps tended to corrode, because the fuel systems lacked a water separator. There were all kinds of things wrong with the Olds V8 diesel. The V6 variant was actually a better engine, but the damage had been done by that time.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Xenos: They are utterly terrified of the post-Enlightenment world.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Ruckus: I have no doubt that some sort of “consideration” went Sarah’s way in exchange for her endorsement.

    The story of the year, morons of the media, is waiting for you to discover. Find out how it happened, and trumpet it to the stars. If you want to have Hollywood make a movie about you, such as All the President’s Men, well, this is your chance.

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    max says:

    @efgoldman:

    C’mon, max. I know it’s late, but you missed the obvious punch line: And he looked upon them, and saw that they were YOOOOGE and classy!

    Ah

    ‘And lo, did The Donald take her unto wife, and blessed her with a mighty fine set of gazongas, real quality surgery there, no scars.

    The Donald did look upon these huge plastic breasts and pronounced them YUUUUUGGGGEEEE, really classy, and did depart that place to take his wife to other place, to bestow upon the multitude the sight of the quality of the bazongas.

    And the masses roared for The Donald’s Wife huge boobs and admireth them and there was much hubbub about the town, and God did look down upon His Son and say, ‘Holy Shit, my son, look at those knockers’ and was pleased and bestoweth many blessings and stock option and pro-rated timeshares upon them and the people.

    And the people marveled thereafter at the hugeness of it all, and many deals were made and prosperity was upon the land, and the people came for many years thereafter to gaze in wonder at the huge tits and the tourism trade was great and the people rejoiced.’

    max
    [‘I’ve accidentally duplicated a Kardashian TV show, haven’t I?’]

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    Mnemosyne says:

    @max:

    I now always associate that song with Persepolis, and nothing Trump does will ever change that.

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    mclaren says:

    @RaflW:

    Because real conservatism is a hoax? A chimera? A marketing slogan?

    Real conservatives believe in things like: not spending like a drunken sailor (especially on tax cuts for the rich or endless foreign wars or limitless domestic surveillance); no unwinnable foreign wars (conservatives opposed America’s entry into WW II and WW I); no expansion of government power over private citizens to restrict abortion rights, for instance, or government-mandated intrusive panopticon surveillance of all U.S. citizens.

    People who call themselves “conservatives” today essentially believe in the exact opposite of classic traditional conservatism.

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    Ruckus says:

    @max:
    Bought a new 68 Dodge with the 318 in it. Engine was the best part of the car. Dad had a 69 Camaro and it was a much worse car in every respect. He had to re engineer and rebuild a lot of stuff so that it actually worked and didn’t fall off, little things like the alternator. Then there was the Mustang II, that POS was horrible.
    Every mfg of that time was horrible, trying to produce supposedly decent cars at a price wally world would be envious of.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    No amount of money would suffice to allow me to delve that deep in that swamp. And I like money and could use more than what I see myself making for the rest of my life. But still I have standards. And they are not that lofty of standards either. But way higher than what you suggest.

    I just can not imagine her doing anything like this without payment.

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    slag says:

    @mclaren:

    People who call themselves “conservatives” today essentially believe in the exact opposite of classic traditional conservatism.

    And thus the mythology perpetuates.

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    Vhh says:

    @TaMara (BHF): Actually, it’s a repeat of Triumph des Willens, Leni Riefenstahl’s pioneering propangandasm of the 1934 Nazi party rally in Nuremberg. It’s on Youtube, complete with English subtitles. It definitely resonates.

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    Ruckus says:

    @max:
    Bravo, sir, bravo I say.
    You have gathered up the entire tDump “philosophy” in one easy to understand comment. Unfortunately it also creates horrible visuals.

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    mclaren says:

    Republicans have now reversed the old Ralph Waldo Emerson adage: instead of “knowledge is the antidote to fear,” they’re trying to espouse that Fear is the antidote to knowledge.

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    mclaren says:

    @sigaba:

    DUDE LEBOWSKI FOR PRESIDENT 2016. HE REALLY TIES THE ROOM TOGETHER.

    Oh, man, that’s just, like, your opinion.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    @jl:

    And, just as important, authoritarians.

    Yep. The Venn diagram of Christianists, Trump supporters and grovelly boot-licking shitweasels involves a certain amount of overlap.

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    sm*t cl*de says:

    Evangelicals See Donald Trump as Man of Conviction

    “Baud — the Candidate of Successfully-Appealed Convictions”.

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    max says:

    @Mnemosyne: I now always associate that song with Persepolis, and nothing Trump does will ever change that.

    That was filed under things I need to read (which I will as soon as I empty the bookshelf).

    Of course, by then Track Palin will be campaigning for President. :(

    max
    [‘Sigh.’]

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    max says:

    @Ruckus: Bought a new 68 Dodge with the 318 in it. Engine was the best part of the car. Dad had a 69 Camaro and it was a much worse car in every respect. He had to re engineer and rebuild a lot of stuff so that it actually worked and didn’t fall off, little things like the alternator. Then there was the Mustang II, that POS was horrible.

    Yes. There was a lot a junk made in that period. (There’s a guy around here driving an all black Ford Falcon, either ’62 or ’63. Fucking awesome car.) On the other hand, there were also a lot of good parts made, but too often bad parts went with good cars, or good parts were in bad cars.

    Chrysler was probably the worst. That Satellite efg had probably had a road life of about 5 minutes. I can barely remember seeing the fucking thing before it was gone.

    max
    [‘Now, the I6, those were some awesomely robust engines.’]

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    max says:

    @efgoldman: You win. I’m going to bed. Your award is in the mail.

    One set of plastic titties to rule them all! (I think that was part of the plot of Sleeper.)

    @Ruckus: Bravo, sir, bravo I say.
    You have gathered up the entire tDump “philosophy” in one easy to understand comment. Unfortunately it also creates horrible visuals.

    Thank you sir! But I owe it all to late night 80’s infomercials, which is Trump’s true homeland.

    max
    [‘This millionaire’s seminar (he has boat and mansion and a helicopter!) will teach you how to get rich in the real estate market!’]

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    Hillary Rettig says:

    Have I missed a whole bunch of calls for moderate Christians to speak up and denounce these extremists?

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    Jeffro says:

    @mclaren:

    Real conservatives believe in things like: not spending like a drunken sailor (especially on tax cuts for the rich or endless foreign wars or limitless domestic surveillance); no unwinnable foreign wars (conservatives opposed America’s entry into WW II and WW I); no expansion of government power over private citizens to restrict abortion rights, for instance, or government-mandated intrusive panopticon surveillance of all U.S. citizens.

    I’ve tried explaining this to people before as well – ever since Newt’s Contract On America, the GOP has been the party of radicals and revolutionaries. The modern Democratic Party, with only a few exceptions, has been America’s conservative party.

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    AWJ says:

    Various internets are currently exploding in either amusement or outrage after a Republican consultant on Chris Hayes’ show dismissed the Donald’s base as “single childless men who masturbate to anime” and have Nazi-themed Twitter avatars:

    http://crooksandliars.com/2016.....supporters

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    mclaren says:

    Once again, people:

    To get to page 2, enter the URL

    https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/page/2/

    and hit ENTER.

    To get to page 3, obviously, enter the URL

    https://www.balloon-juice.com/2016/page/3/

    and hit ENTER.

    And so on.

    It isn’t that hard. And yes, I know the web programmers who botched this site upgrade are grossly incompetent, but still, it’s not that hard to just enter those URLS to get the page you want, is it?

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @chopper:

    would seem an odd fit for voters who place greater value on faith, hope and charity.

    I’ll disagree with you a little. They do care about faith….the right kind of course, but you are spot on about hope and charity. They are into despair and fear, and greed and selfishness.How these people have the gall to call themselves Christians is beyond me. Real Christians should be suing them for libel.

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    Chris says:

    @Mnemosyne:

    Yep.

    I have always believed that if you just mentally substituted the word “segregationist” for “evangelical” any time you saw it, you would get a much clearer picture of who they are and what they want than if you tried to make any sense of their pseudo religious gobbledygook. I have rarely, if ever, been led wrong by this approach. The religious right has always been the old Southern Democrat bloc with a bad makeover.

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    Zinsky says:

    Donald Trump is the antithesis of a Christian – boastful, mean, full of hate, greedy and covetous. In the Beatitudes, Christ says the blessed are meek, poor and thirst for justice. Can’t these people read?

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    Kalamatea says:

    @Zinsky: And Trump’s gonna make sure they stay “blessed.” What a champ.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    So Palin’s blessing was enough to give Trump the nomination? ROFL

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    Denali says:

    Can’t figure out why Trump wanted an endorsemnt from loser Sarah Palin.

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    jimmiraybob says:

    On a less than humorous note:

    The co-chairman of Donald Trump’s New Hampshire “Veterans for Trump” group has arrived in Burns, Oregon, to assist the small cadre of armed men who are seeking to provoke a standoff with federal officials there.

    The Trumpenfuhrer is whipping up the resentment, anger and hostility of the crowds and securing the conservative Christian support and his campaign people are making ties with the heavily armed “militia” meathead insurgents*. Not a good sign. This has an odd historical ring.

    Makes me nervous to think that thanks to movement conservatives, Republicans and the NRA there is a right wing shadow army ready for a leader….a fuhrer to unleash greatness on America.

    *as goofy as they may seem they are well armed and angry thugs.

    Source: http://thinkprogress.org/polit.....ump-chair/

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    EriktheRed says:

    You could probaly just dub this over tRump’s speech:

    Are there any queers in the theater tonight? Get ’em up against the wall

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    kindness says:

    Trump’s rallys. You know what they are reminding me of more and more? Well it harkens back to a political movement from the last century. Where rally’s contained much the same pointing out the enemies within and thugishly tossing opponents aside. It reminds me of Sainted Molly Ivins where she once retorted:

    “It probably sounded better in the original German”. God how we could use that woman now.

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    Chris says:

    @NorthLeft12:

    I don’t think they care about faith so much as they care about identity. Faith is just a tribal marker that identifies the in-group. All the more important now that the other big identity marker, race, is no longer as acceptable to mention in public.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @J R in WV: For us it was an Oldsmobile. My mom had been driving a late ’60s Cutlass that was, by the standards of the time, a great, reliable car, but decided to trade it in just because it was starting to get on in years. She went to get what she thought was the closest available equivalent, a late ’70s Oldsmobile Omega (basically the same car as the Chevy Nova of the time, with a different nameplate).

    The thing just started disintegrating almost immediately. Parts had a tendency to come off in your hand. The engine had a habit of dying in the middle of the street after you started it and drove about a block, but it’d also keep dieseling and making the car hop up and down for about a minute after you stopped driving it.

    After that she switched to driving a succession of Volvo 240 DLs and never looked back.

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    Boy that Daniel Danger excerpt is a little terrifying. These people are deranged and violent, and both things are being encouraged. When is the last time in either political party that these kinds of things happened at rallies for a major party political candidate? Like. just pre Civil War in the South? Maybe during the labor movement of the early 20th century? I mean, throwing out disruptive protesters is one thing, but to single out people who aren’t being disruptive but just look too brown or aren’t being enthusiastic enough in their support – that’s phenomenon I don’t think has existed in American politics for nearly a century or more.

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    Momus says:

    @AWJ: Anime? So hentai is too risque for them? And, one supposes, real porn is quite beyond the pale.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us?: George Allen’s “macaca” remark was basically that kind of thing. It was aimed at a brown-skinned non-supporter who was going around videoing his appearances. But that did in his campaign, partly because he had actually used a racial slur.

    I’m sure that if someone not-white had actually dared to show up at, say, one of Theodore Bilbo’s rallies, worse things would have happened.

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