File this in the “say what??” news category: a female academic coach at the University of Notre Dame has been fired after a lawsuit was filed claiming she coerced several students on athletic scholarship into having “racially motivated” sex with her daughter and then asking them questions about the “nature, frequency, and quality of the sexual activities.” The coach also tried to convert the students to Catholicism, because that’s normal:
The suit also alleges that when the student attempted to break off his relationship with the tutor’s daughter, her mother recommended that he seek mental health counseling, and worked with the university’s psychiatric support to “medicate Plaintiff John Doe to keep him passive, cooperative, and under control.”
Seriously. What is wrong with people?
Team Blackness also discussed how Rachel Dolezal admitted she was white, a new branch of BET in France with no black hosts, and the Supreme Court takes on racial discrimination in jury selection.
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Corner Stone
It’s oddly comforting to see that some things never change.
Roger Moore
I see that the site redesign hasn’t fixed the double posting problem.
That Notre Dame situation is just freaky. It’s good to know that the woman has been fired, but they should do more to make things right with the student.
MomSense
@Roger Moore:
The Notre Dame situation Is really freaky. I can’t even wrap my head around it.
Amir Khalid
No black hosts at BET France? There’s been a substantial nonwhite minority there for
decadescenturies, as you’d expect in a country with a Mediterranean coast.Roger Moore
@MomSense:
I can almost understand how it got started: mom wanted to fix her daughter up with a college athlete. Then she wanted to make sure everything was going OK between her daughter and her boyfriend. That part actually makes some kind of sense, even if it was completely inappropriate for her to take advantage of her position that way. I can even understand pushing him to convert to Catholicism, especially if she believed the relationship was going somewhere. Where it really goes off the rails is when she made “racially-charged comments about his sexual prowess and genitalia”. Referring him to mental health when he tried to break off the relationship is far out in stalkerville.
Bobby Thomson
@Amir Khalid: not to
mention former African colonies.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Roger Moore:
Maybe I’m oversensitive because of crazy Scientologist claims about the eeeevvvviiillls of psychiatry, but it seems weird to me that any school official could convince a psychiatrist to medicate a patient against his will. That she managed to be crazy enough that she tipped this guy over the edge when he was already having some adjustment problems — now that I could believe.
Even if you take the racial aspect out, the whole thing is still creepy as hell. If your mother is asking for detailed descriptions of your sex life, and you’re providing them, your family is 10 kinds of fucked up.
Srv
@Roger Moore: so commenters can’t double post, but FL’ers can.
Is this grounds for a lawsuit?
Goblue72
@Roger Moore: Dude, don’t be so white. That is so not what was going on.
First off, as the article quoted above states, it wasn’t just ONE student. The mother did this with several students. She was coercing several black students to screw her daughter. In hotel rooms. That she paid for.
Further, the mother was an “academic coach”, mainly for student-athletes. Translation: Notre Dame, like allcolleges with big time athletic programs, recruits African-American high school athletes – primarily for basketball and football – by offering full ride scholarships. A large number of these high school athletes wouldn’t have a snowballs chance in Hell of getting in to these schools on the basis of their grades. So once in, the school then has to hire professional tutors to help them maintain whatever minimal GPA is needed to avoided the athletic programs from getting slapped by the NCAA.
Combine that with racially charged bit – which means there was a lot of “my daughter needs some big black cock” type talk – and this is obviously a total hot mess.
And that’s all before we even get to her trying to get the school to put the kid on sedatives to keep him compliant.
Betty Cracker
@Mnemosyne (tablet): That aspect (the involvement of the psychiatrist) makes me wonder if the whole story isn’t bullshit. Maybe it’s all true, but it’s easier to believe one college student would make up a bizarre story than to believe that two grown-ass professionals would collaborate to coerce the student to shag the tutor’s daughter. Although stranger things have happened…
Goblue72
@Betty Cracker: The allegations involving r this happening with more than one black student-athlete.
White people are deranged. This story should not be met with such incredulity.
Mnemosyne (tablet)
@Goblue72:
That’s what Is not clear from the story — did she succeed in getting a psychiatrist to put him on medication? Because I could see a situation where she tried to get him in trouble by claiming he was violent or something, but if a doctor actually did it at her direction, that’s a huge systemic problem if non-medical personnel are dictating prescriptions to doctors.
The late teens and early 20s are when problems like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia can first rear their ugly heads, especially for young men, so that’s why I’m wary of the “they forced medication on me” claim.
Betty Cracker
@Goblue72: I read the linked story. Sounds like one dude’s lawyer alleges that others were involved, and possibly it’s all true, but it certainly is a bizarre situation. Students do make shit up sometimes, and as far as I know, it’s pretty rare for tutors to coerce athletes into shagging their own daughters and for doctors to collude with them to medicate unwilling participants. From an Occam’s Razor POV, the student making shit up seems more likely, but like I said, maybe he’s telling the gospel truth.
Cervantes
@Roger Moore:
Several students.
And people say there’s nothing new under the sun.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Betty Cracker:
I find it reasonably plausible that this guy got caught up in a bizarre family dynamic where mother and daughter were WAY too intertwined with each other. But I suspect that the mental illness may be something that was pre-existing and exacerbated or brought out by the stress of the situation, which is not uncommon in college. This isn’t 1965, and it’s pretty hard to medicate someone against their will.
Cervantes
@Betty Cracker:
Fair enough.
Goblue72
@Betty Cracker: White people are deranged. The allegations involve the fewest assumptions proceeding from that truth.
The alternative means proving white people are NOT deranged, which is a pretty significant challenge.
Cervantes
@Amir Khalid:
Never mind immigrants: in fact, Churchill is famously said (by an opponent) to have held that “the wogs begin at Calais.”
Betty Cracker
@Goblue72: Now you’re just babbling incoherently. Maybe a nice sandwich would help.
gvg
Uhh, it says the student was on an Academic Scholarship not an athlete. His lawyer claims there were other athletes involved. I think I will wait for more info. Is it plausible for everyone to be nuts? This so does not make sense.
OnkelFritze
@Betty Cracker:
Now you literally want to feed the trolls?
This story smells like BS. I’m wondering about two more things. What was the daughters role here (besides the obvious). Was she a willing participant or did she get coerced in any way? This lady that allegedly was behind all of this also tried to convert the students to Catholicism? She must have an interesting interpetation of the Catholic faith.
Goblue72
@Betty Cracker: You’ve long displayed a notable incredulity when it comes to these kind of news stories involving people of color leveling extreme-sounding accusations at whites, or at the police. I’ve noted it before. You’re a MAWW in Hicksville Florida so I’m not exactly shocked.
If 15 years ago, I told you your entire CD collection would be stored on a GPS cell phone with a TV that you put in your back pocket, you’d tell me I’m lost and point me to the SciFi convention down the street. If 10 years ago I said a senior member of Joe Paterno’s staff was a serial pedophile and that JoePa turned a blind eye to it, half the folks here would say I was cray cray. If I told you 5 years ago that Donald Trump would be leading the polls for GOP primaries in late 2015, you’d call me extra cray cray.
Yet the idea that at some random college a white lady in position of authority over black scholarship students (whose scholarships were likely dependent on maintaining a certain GPA) pressured students into having sex with her daughter, and that she may have thrown around some salty language – THAT is unbelievable?
Srsly? GTFO.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@gvg:
We’re talking about college students in their late teens/early 20s, so I find it plausible that everyone would be nuts, or at least acting very badly. God knows I did at that age.
Goblue72
@OnkelFritze: And Mormons think Jesus converted the Indians. People got some odd religious beliefs everywhere.
There are hordes of evangelical teens out there that think anal sex isn’t real sex so they are still virgins.
Roger Moore
@Betty Cracker:
I would have an easier time believing there weren’t an internal memo that seems to support the student’s story and resulted in the “academic coach” being fired.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Goblue72:
The part that’s unbelievable is that a psychiatrist would give psychoactive drugs to a student based on the word of his tutor. The story is very plausible until we get to that detail.
And once you introduce mental illness to this kind of story, the bar for proof gets a little higher, because by definition you’re dealing with someone who may not be interpreting reality clearly. Please note that I am saying this as someone who suffered from severe enough depression that I was on Wellbutrin for 7 years.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Roger Moore:
I do find it plausible that this woman and her daughter have been preying (or trying to prey) on her tutoring students and this guy was more damaged by it than the others because of underlying mental health issues. It’s the forced medication part I find implausible, but that may be sloppy reporting.
Roger Moore
@Mnemosyne (iPhone):
It sounds as if there was more than one student involved; that’s in the original NY Daily News story but not the Gawker version linked to here. That makes it a lot less likely that the whole thing is made up.
Goblue72
@Mnemosyne (iPhone): Well, it’s NY Daily News, I expect there’s some sloppy reporting and poor writing.
Betty Cracker
@Goblue72: What you deem “incredulity” in the face of “extreme-sounding accusations” is what I call “not being a hysterical twatwaffle.”
But you’ve long displayed a tendency to lose your shit and babble incoherently. Unlike you, I can provide links to support that point (though your present contributions are a solid addition to the genre that should make further evidence unnecessary).
You’re seriously citing iPhones, PSU, and Trump to make the crack-brained point that this story must be swallowed unquestionably by all right-thinking people? Christ, you’re an idiot. GTFO? GFY.
Omnes Omnibus
@Betty Cracker: Since you are a MAWW, I don’t think that a bourgeois revolutionary cares much for your opinion anyway.
Another Holocene Human
@Goblue72: Yeah, and we’re not talking about evangelicals. Roman Catholics inherited some bad old Roman ideas about women’s sexuality. Girl + multiple guys = hoar. And that’s before you bring Jesus into it.
Romans thought the ideal woman was an unavira, a woman who had only had one man (her husband–if he dies, she doesn’t remarry). They thought a woman who had been raped–adulterata–should commit suicide, ie death before dishonor. (The hagiographies of the martyrs are full of stories of women who died in nasty ways rather than be raped or who were spared from rape through miraculous means due to their virtue prior to their holy martyrdom.)
The idea of a religious Catholic pimping her daughter out is ridiculous on its face, but OTOH some people are just evil and use religion to be even more evil.
But where we’re not is in a spectrum of typical, acceptable Catholic beliefs. This is wayyyyyy out there.