Open Thread: Repubs in Disarray, Speaker Edition

Excellent summary of the “grandstanding charlatan” from Digby, at Salon:

Everywhere you turned, it seemed Jason Chaffetz was on television, so much so that if you didn’t know better you might think he was running for speaker himself. Lo and behold, by the weekend, he was. A week that started off with him brow-beating the director of Planned Parenthood ended with him on “Fox News Sunday” and explaining to Politico that his rationale for running for Speaker was his superior communication skills. (And truthfully, compared to McCarthy, he’s Winston Churchill.)…

The son of a man once married to Kitty Dukakis, wife of 1988 Democratic presidential nominee Michael, Chaffetz started off as a Jewish Democrat, then converted to Mormonism during his last year of college in Utah — and Republicanism when former President Ronald Reagan was hired as a motivational speaker for Nu Skin, the “multi-level marketing” company (think Amway) which employed Chaffetz for a decade before he entered politics. He worked as chief of staff for the famously moderate Gov. Jon Huntsman and then beat the very conservative Representative Chris Cannon by running against him from the right in the 2010 Tea Party electoral bloodbath. On Election Night, Cannon said, “the extremists who don’t want to win elections have taken over the party. We don’t want that to happen in Utah. Politics is way too important to leave to the boors.”…

And despite his politically eclectic past, Chaffetz has stuck to his arch-conservative guns during the five years he’s been in Congress. He wants to slash Social Security, ban gay marriage and look into impeaching President Obama. Still, he sees himself as a sort of mediator between the hard-core Tea Party insurrectionists and everyone else — perhaps because he’s been everything from a liberal Democrat to a moderate Republican to a hard-right zealot, depending on where the opportunities lie at any given moment.

He is a good communicator, except for the fact that he seems to have a tiny problem with the truth, which he perfectly illustrated in the Planned Parenthood hearing, when he offered up a chart so misleading that it caused Politifact to call it not only misleading, but, quoting one expert, “ethically wrong.” And while he may have a point that Kevin McCarthy screwed the pooch on Trey Gowdy’s Benghazi committee, his own history of being loose-lipped and excitable puts McCarthy’s little faux pas to shame…

Pass the popcorn… and the Gallagher-style plastic ponchos.






144 replies
  1. 1
    shell says:

    Fuck, it really is like Middle School.

  2. 2
    Baud says:

    AL, you know only Dems are capable of being in disarray. Republicans are engaging in a spirited debate among their various diverse constituencies.

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    Right to Rise says:

    Jeb rising yet again, up four in latest PPP poll, and it’s from a Democrst firm!

    The Ad Surge is working and working good. As I said before, Jeb is getting a fresh new second look from many GOP insiders.

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    Why was the SS after Chaffetz?

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    The ratfvcking trolls at Hotair have worked the regulars into a lather about how much of a squish Mr. Chaffetz is on immigration.

    This election has been a field day for political trolls of all stripes. I almost feel bad for Allahpundit… almost.

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    Honoré De Ballsack says:

    The son of a man once married to Kitty Dukakis, wife of 1988 Democratic presidential nominee Michael, Chaffetz started off as a Jewish Democrat, then converted to Mormonism during his last year of college in Utah…

    I can understand why he converted. Polygamistic impulses apparently run in his family.

    Or Salon needs to hire a copy editor.

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    burnspbesq says:

    I must be getting cranky in my advancing age. I can no longer see the comedic potential in this shit.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Iowa Old Lady:

    He was embarrassing them with one of his Congressional … investigations.

  9. 9
    raven says:

    Ni-Skin has human placenta in it. Suck on that.

  10. 10

    @Arm The Homeless: Allahpundit? That sounds like an oxymoron

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    Right to Rise says:

    Oh, and what’s more, Trump is stalling. Beginning of a trend?

    #AdSurge

    #FreshLook

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    J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford says:

    @Right to Rise: Did you eat paint chips when you were a child?

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    Baud says:

    @burnspbesq:

    Wait until the conveyer belt starts going really fast and Chaffetz is forced to eat all the chocolates.

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @burnspbesq: You know you will have crossed a personal Rubicon when old acquaintances start referring to you as a Hippie.

    Somehow, I suspect that you already have. I have family that thinks I may have been brainwashed by graduate school. YMMV

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    Right to Rise says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    You would rather hurl insults than admit that the fundamentals of the race are starting to point To a Jeb victory #FreshLook

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    jl says:

    I’m voting for Chaffetz for president, even if I have to write him in. I want a real businessman, somebody with a record of success in the private sector to save us from the mess we’re in.

    And I can’t think of anyone better to save Social Security (which will be drunk, unwashed homeless and dead broke next week, begging quarters from us by next week in front of 7-11 stores, except when the cops chase him away) than some nutcase attention addict who spent ten years in the multi-level marketing industry!

    You know a guy like that can dream up creative schemes and do great deals. For sure.

    Edit: Except he needs to write out something a cap, like, I dunno “I gonna make a great deal for you!” and wear it all the time. Then I’ll know he means it, he has it on his HAT! That will seal the deal.

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    WereBear says:

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  18. 18
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford:

    Did you eat paint chips when you were a child?

    He still does.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Right to Rise:
    In terms of getting Jeb where he needs to be, a four percentage-point rise in the polls from the single-digit depths is but a baby step. He’s still very far behind the Donald, Ben Carson, and Carly.

    Oh, by the way, have you seen this?

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    S/He is the longterm resident “Moderate” at that shit show. A less interesting Dougj! personality.

    This election cycle is going to break my mind. I can see it coming.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    It’s all about trends and what’s causing the trends, in this case the Ad Surge which is just in its beginnings…

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    Schlemazel says:

    I think we are missing a real opportunity kids. We need to start letter writing campaigns to convince each of these goofballs that they are the ONLY true conservative in the race for speaker and they simply must stand their ground and never surrender. With any luck we can male each of them believe it and then the real fun will begin.

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    @Arm The Homeless: Allah = God in Islam, Pundit = Hindu Brahmin learned man. Does not compute.

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    scav says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Well, how else does one scoop up ergot guacamole? Stands to reason.

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    some guy says:

    In New hampshire, Jeb! was at 16.3 on July 23rd, now he’s at 9.0 in the RCP averages. Onward to victory, comrades!

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Right to Rise: I’ll be serious for a second with you, Ad surges only work short term. Over the longer term they not only have diminishing returns but negative returns. People get burnt out on them and actually start to hate the candidate(see iCarly and Meg, CA 2010).

    ETA: Probably like any other “surge”, though they may show diminishing returns rather than negative returns.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Amir Khalid: This is too good to not quote in part!

    Jeb, this just isn’t going to work. After all that money spent, you’re still sagging nationally and in fourth place in New Hampshire, a state you need to win.

    You’ve had nearly a year to make your case. It isn’t working. You should pack it in.

    The conventional wisdom a few months ago was that your brother’s catastrophic presidency would be your bid’s biggest hurdle. Now, in a fit of desperation, it looks like you’re about to draft him to stump for you. Putting aside that George W. is still despised by a not-insignificant swath of the Republican electorate, how is that going to play in the general should you somehow win the nomination? You’re making the Democrats’ job easy, Jeb. They’ll be more than happy to attach you to his legacy, and you’re doing that for them.

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Jeb! i is holding out until last call. If 2012 was any indication, we will have at least 6 “Flavors of the Month” until Super Tuesday.

    If it weren’t such a corrosive agent on our politics, a few dozen billionaires all cat fighting through proxy candidates would make for great fiction.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @some guy:

    Trends baby, trends. Look at the trends SINCE the Ad Surge.

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Worked for Arnold!

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    22over7 says:

    @Arm The Homeless: My daughter recently remarked that the bumper stickers on the back of my Rav4 make me look like an old hippie lesbian. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

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    Chris says:

    @Right to Rise:

    You know hashtags don’t do anything on Balloon Juice, right?

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    some guy says:

    @Right to Rise:

    wow, he’s moved from being in fourth place at 7.7% to being in fourth place at 9.0% At this pace he’ll definitely be in fourth place on election day in NH.

    Burn that donor money, Jeb! burn, baby, burn

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    Woodrowfan says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: he likes the Cool Ranch flavor ones..

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    Yatsuno says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Miranda Cosgrove is never gonna forgive her.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Right to Rise: Arnold was more like the Donald, jeb? not so much.

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    @jl:

    And I can’t think of anyone better to save Social Security (which will be drunk, unwashed homeless and dead broke next week, begging quarters from us by next week in front of 7-11 stores, except when the cops chase him away) than some nutcase attention addict who spent ten years in the multi-level marketing industry!

    Just the person to tell us that Social Security is a giant Ponzi scheme.

  38. 38
    some guy says:

    rut ro, the rats are leaving the SS Jeb!

    http://www.usnews.com/news/blo.....-the-chase

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Right to Rise:
    Jeb’s problem is, he’s terrible at campaigning. He’s asking the most reviled POTUS of recent times, W, to help him shore up his popularity. The PACs supporting Jeb could buy up all the ad time in America between now and Election Day 2016 with their UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH!, and it would still not make him a competent politician.

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: I never claimed it was tautologically, or ontologically sound.

    I’m just eatin’ popcorn in the cheap seats.

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    Chris says:

    @some guy:

    “I’M INVINCIBLE!”
    “You’re a loony.”

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    Chris says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Jeb’s problem is

    There’s just one problem?

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    Doug R says:

    @Right to Rise: You know the margin of error on those surveys is about 5%. Which means he’s probably at -1%.

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    some guy says:

    speaking of polling “trends” in GOP Land:

    Polling, as Rubio’s team likes to emphasis, may be the least important part of the puzzle at this point in the calendar, but it still remains a part. Rubio is about even with Bush in Iowa, as they both linger in single digits. It’s New Hampshire where Rubio’s shown real movement which should concern the Bush team. Bush needs a compelling showing in the Granite State, which he has visited most frequently of the early nominating states and Rubio has now drawn even. The latest Wall Street Journal/NBC survey there shows just a point separating the two — Bush at 11 percent and Rubio at 10 percent. A CNN/WMUR poll actually placed Rubio (9 percent) in a slightly better position than Bush (7 percent). A late September Gravis Marketing poll of South Carolina also had Rubio pacing just ahead of Bush, 8 percent to 6 percent. In summation, Rubio’s gained parity with his one time mentor.

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    elmo says:

    @some guy: The troll gave away the game last night in the Jeb = Seahawks babbling. Something about winning isn’t about scoring the most points, but having the most faith and determination.

    That’s when I was sure it was a DougJ troll.

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Chris:
    10 out of 10 for the Python reference! Insanity does seem to be the theme got the GOP.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @some guy: RtR misunderstood the Brinks. Trucks. Backing up. They’re there to haul away BushCo’s cash to pay all his consultants.

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    Kay says:

    He wants to slash Social Security,

    Yay! I hope every Republican runs on that. Democrats don’t have to get fancy. Just run ads showing these people, one after the other, and say “he will take your Social Security” “she will take your Social Security”….

    I feel like anyone who even raises this at this juncture should just get hammered, so it’s wholly deserved.

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    jl says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Jeb? can campaign one tenth as well as Arnold?? Really?

    That is so funny, in a ha ha kind of way. RtR has to be a spoof troll.

    DougJ was asked point blank if he would disavow his roll in troll, and IIRC DougJ never answered. Case closed.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Chris:
    Well, that’s what all the individual problems add up to.

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    Doug R says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: He used to be Right To Lead.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @elmo: DougJ would do better. And besides, he’s specifically denied it’s him.

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    WereBear says:

    I would think the Speaker position would be decided by mud wrestling, like most of their decisions.

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    David Koch says:

    The Justice Department is set to release about 6,000 inmates early from prison — the largest one-time release of federal prisoners.

    The panel estimated that its change in sentencing guidelines eventually could result in 46,000 of the nation’s approximately 100,000 drug offenders in federal prison qualifying for early release. The 6,000 figure, which has not been reported previously, is the first tranche in that process.

    My God. Obama is out of control.

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    jl says:

    @Gin & Tonic:

    ” he’s specifically denied it’s him. ”

    Damn! I didn’t see where DougJ said that.

    OK, some other apprentice spoof troll practicing. I can’t believe RtR is the real thing. Can we get UCC in here?

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    Kay says:

    @jl:

    Everything he says Democrats should just respond “you’re going to take their Social Security?”

    Like “are you mad?”

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    Arm The Homeless says:

    @elmo:

    I keep sayin’ Dougj needs to reprise BIRDZILLA! so everyone can be in on the joke. Trollin’ is just busqin’ for the interwebs. Except instead of money, or maybe a girl’s phone number, you get fake internet points.

    Upvote This…x

  58. 58
    Doug R says:

    @David Koch: It’s about friggin time.

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    WereBear says:

    @David Koch: I believe this is part of a long term plan he’s working on.

    Hope so, anyway.

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    jl says:

    @Kay: Well, I dunno, I might go for it. Suppose I get bonus points in my USAway private Social Insuraty account for every USAway Social Insuraty enrollees I can sign up in my Social Insuraty sub-distributorship. Hey, say it;s just two, and they go out and sign up two, and I double my bonus points…

    You can work it out, those four sign up two each… I’ll be rich!

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    Mandalay says:

    @David Koch:

    its change in sentencing guidelines eventually could result in 46,000 of the nation’s approximately 100,000 drug offenders in federal prison qualifying for early release

    Which just goes to show that not everything that matters is either determined or blocked by Republicans in Congress.

    And here’s another story, which is at the start of what will be the most significant social change in the USA in the next few years:

    It will soon be legal for the terminally ill to end their own lives in the nation’s most populous state, and right-to-die advocates expect other states to follow California’s example.

    Gov. Jerry Brown signed a bill Monday that allows such physician-assisted deaths, marking a major victory for proponents who spent decades and millions of dollars pushing through such a measure.

    Not a Republican in sight, yet the rest of the dominoes will be falling in the next few years. No right to lifers will be able to stop it because this mostly affects old people, and old people vote. In droves.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @jl:

    You can work it out, those four sign up two each… I’ll be rich!

    We’ll all be rich!!!

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    @Roger Moore:

    Well, who better to tell us all of the ins and outs of running a Ponzi scheme than a guy who’s actually done it, amirite?

    I mean, he couldn’t possibly have any other motive for wanting access to those billions of dollars.

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    jl says:

    @Mandalay: Not enough GOPers in California legislature to do anything but block tax increases. They have no effect on anything else.

    And their leg caucuses are also in leadership disarray by House GOP standards.

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    David Koch says:

    WASHINGTON – President Obama, in a historic first for the Pentagon, has chosen to nominate Eric Fanning to lead the Army, a move that would make him the first openly gay civilian secretary of one of the military services.

    He’s gone nutz. Not even FDR would do something this radical. Gays running the Army – what’s next appointing a Lesbian to the Supreme Court?

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    bystander says:

    Salon is ripping the lid off Sanders’ claims of supporting gay marriage before HRC. He was supporting registered partnerships! And just why was she slow to back same-sex marriage?

    I may have to vote for President Kasich just to show them.

  67. 67
    Kay says:

    I;m getting emails to go to debate gatherings by the Sanders campaign but they aren’t sending me to the closest ones on their own map. I don’t know why they want me to go to Indiana when I can go 15 miles from here.

    I feel unwelcome now :)

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    Baud says:

    @David Koch:

    This is unlikely to change anyone’s mind about the TPP (and perhaps shouldn’t), but you’ll enjoy this Krugman column.

    Looking forward to the release of the text.

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    WereBear says:

    @Kay: Tell them they have a lousy algorithm. Tell them you haz a sad.

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    Baud says:

    @Kay:

    Debate viewer fraud!

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    Mandalay says:

    @jl: Yes, the Republicans are in disarray in California, but I believe that red states like Alabama and Oklahoma will eventually become right-to-die states as well. Almost everywhere will (except maybe Utah?).

    Republicans who are terminally ill may decide to reconsider their vote when they see that their guy is opposed to allowing them to die with dignity.

    Having the law change in CA is a big deal, and others will follow. We’ve won on gay rights, and we’ll win on right-to-die.

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    David Koch says:

    He`ll always be the president who got health reform done after decades of other people calling for it and trying for it and failing. He did it.

    He will be the president who reopened U.S. embassy in Havana after being shut for more than 50 years. He`ll be the president that allowed gay people to serve openly in the military, who saw the legalization of same sex marriage nationwide. He will always be the president who got bin Laden. He`ll always be the president who got Syria to give up its huge arsenal of chemical weapons.

    He`s the president who brought the country back from the brink of a second Great Depression. Barack Obama will go down in history as the president who signed Wall Street reform and credit card reform and student loan reform. He will always be the president who rescued the U.S. auto industry when it was on the brink of extinction.

    We know a lot of the things that will be on the list for this president. But now today, as he starts his last 500 days in office as of today, another one of those big pieces fell into place. If the Iranian nuclear deal works, it will end the long standing global fear of an Iranian nuclear bomb without having to go to war to stop it.

    Forget how hard it was to negotiate that deal in Vienna, it was really hard to negotiate that deal within our own political system with a Republican-led Congress that did everything they could to try to throw the deal out.

    This is one of those things that the pundit class said couldn`t be done. This was seen as an impossible political task in Washington. But it`s done.

    And looking at this huge political lift, this political accomplishment, the success against all odds, if you were president, what would that make you want to do next? Is there something about the way this improbable victory has been achieved by the Obama administration that clears the path or at least shows the path to what else could be done in the last 500 days of this very, very consequential presidency.

    Rachel Maddow

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    Jason.Chaffetz looks like a chimpanzee. We just need a photo of him picking lice off Trey Gowdys scalp hair like chimps do.

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    J R in WV says:

    @22over7:

    Alright, now we come to a time and place that requires a documented list of all the stickers on the back of your vehicle~!

    Give! You owe it to all the other old hippies on this blog.

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    beltane says:

    Is Jeb? really using “Fresh Look” as his new slogan?It sounds as though he’s marketing himself as a new type of sanitary pad.

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    WereBear says:

    @beltane: He should be so useful.

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    Mandalay says:

    @David Koch:

    Barack Obama will go down in history as the president who signed Wall Street reform

    I love our president but there is a lot of truthiness in that claim.

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    Baud says:

    @Mandalay:

    None whatsoever.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Amir Khalid: interesting piece. Disagree with two points. “Stuff happens” wasn’t taken out of context, and pubs don’t do elder statesman.

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    gf120581 says:

    Huntsman’s hatred for Chaffetz is understandable. It wasn’t so much that he backstabbed him and supported someone else in 2012, it’s because he backstabbed him and supported Romney and the hatred between the Romneys and the Huntsmans is deep and bitter (remember how Huntsman’s dad was supposedly the source of the “Mitt hasn’t paid income taxes in a decade” story that Reid repeated?). Hunstman probably considers Chaffetz somewhere along the level of Benedict Arnold.

    I’m not exactly sure now Chaffetz can argue he’s better than McCarthy anyway. Yes, McCarthy pretty much single-handedly broke the Benghazi toy, but on the other hand, Chaffetz was the one who got humiliated by the PP head.

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    sharl says:

    Jeb Bush Should Face Facts: It’s Time to Drop Out

    Jeb, this isn’t working. You’re a bad candidate, and all you’re going to do now is damage the guy who can beat Trump. Is that what you want?

    Jeb, this just isn’t going to work. After all that money spent, you’re still sagging nationally and in fourth place in New Hampshire, a state you need to win.

    Sounds bad, if not in fact…dire.

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    @elmo:

    The troll gave away the game last night in the Jeb = Seahawks babbling. Something about winning isn’t about scoring the most points, but having the most faith and determination.

    If it’s based on the Seahawks, wouldn’t it be that winning isn’t about scoring the most points but about having the refs things call things your way, no matter how wrong they are? That seems like it would fit their last game and the Bush family success story.

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    Morzer says:

    @sharl:

    But… but… BRINKS TRUCKS!!!

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    Baud says:

    Steve Benen continues to do the Lord’s work

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) “is asking for federal aid for his home state of South Carolina as it battles raging floods, but he voted to oppose similar help for New Jersey in the aftermath of Hurricane Sandy in 2013,” CNN reports.

    Said Graham: “Let’s just get through this thing, and whatever it costs, it costs.”

    Asked to explain the discrepancy – aid for his state, regardless of the price tag, but not Sandy victims – the Republican senator and presidential candidate said he doesn’t remember this part of his record. “I’m all for helping the people in New Jersey. I don’t really remember me voting that way,” Graham said.

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    @beltane: sounds more like a kitty litter product to me which is appropriate for a Bushy for all the shit they leave for their succesor presidents to clean up.

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    shell says:

    @Right to Rise: Ha-ha-ha-ha! Yeah, having old C-Plus Augustus joining the advance team must have really goosed his numbers. Stuff happens!

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    Mike in NC says:

    @some guy: They say JEB! is about to soar at any moment. Like a fucking chicken!

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    gf120581 says:

    @Baud: Apparently Huckleberry developed a particuarly virulent case of Alberto Gonzalez Disease. (“I don’t know.”)

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    sharl says:

    @Morzer: Excellent point, and certainly one I’m glad you raised! From my first link above (bolding is mine):

    Your problems go well beyond polling, though. For starters, you don’t seem to want the job. You’re not as politically adroit as others in the race—a charge that could never be made against McCain. And by using all that cash you’ve raised to tear down the other plausible nominees while simultaneously reminding everyone of your brother’s failed presidency, your continued presence on the campaign trail will likely wind up helping the other side.

    So sad, but true. And I’m certain nearly all of the other GOP candidates would be as willing as JEB! to put a devoted and honorable family man or woman through some additional government-imposed hell to add to a pre-existing private Hell. So I guess JEB! wouldn’t really be missed after all.

    Maybe he could buy a pickup truck and market reverse home mortages – with all of us Boomers out there, definitely a growth market. Or he could shave his head and revive those Telly Savalas commercials on TV for Player’s Club.

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    David Koch says:

    PPP National Poll Oct 2-4

    Trump………27%
    Carson……..17%
    Rubio………..13%
    ¿Jeb?………..10%
    Cruz…………..7%
    Fiorina………..6%◄
    Huckabee…….4%
    Kasich…………4%

    Looks like Carly-mania is declaring bankruptcy.

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    JustRuss says:

    … Nu Skin, the “multi-level marketing” company (think Amway) which employed Chaffetz for a decade

    Ugh. My wife and I got sucked into Nu Skin for a while, visited their HQ in Provo once. Very nice on the surface, but really just a skeevy racket with nice packaging.

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    David Koch says:

    PPP National Poll Oct 2-4

    Clinton……..42%
    Sanders……24%
    Biden……….20%

    Without Biden:

    Clinton……..51%
    Sanders……28%

    African Americans (Clinton gets 51% to 30% for Biden and 13% for Sanders), and women (Clinton gets 48% to 22% for Sanders and 17% for Biden.)

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    @Baud:
    I will definitely be interested in Krugman’s follow-ups when he gets the details. His political analysis makes me roll my eyes, but he knows his economics. While the man has to screw up and disappoint me sometime, I’ve never regretted trusting Obama yet. I will breathe a big sigh of relief if it turns out the Republicans got played again, signing up to support a deal that doesn’t say what they thought it would say.

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    equs_1776 says:

    @Baud: Like that will ever happen.

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    Baud says:

    @David Koch:

    She should merge with another loser candidate and declare the combined campaign a success.

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    Baud says:

    @equs_1776:

    Like what will ever happen?

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Yeah, I hope he pissed them off again.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Gin & Tonic: The trucks backing up at JEBzzz headquarters are only loaded with cases of Red Bull and No-Doze.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Chris:

    You know hashtags don’t do anything on Balloon Juice, right?

    Gretchen, stop trying to make #FreshDouche happen! It’s not going to happen!

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    Schlemazel says:

    @Baud:
    then after they fire her keep all the campaign cash and leave the workers without/

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    Mandalay says:

    @David Koch:

    Without Biden

    Those polls don’t count because without inventing Biden as a mythical candidate there’s no horse race. If Biden says he’s definitely not running the pollsters will draft Michelle Obama as the mythical candidate.

    I can already see the headlines:

    “Michelle trounces Clinton among black American women!!!”
    “Clinton campaign floundering with black voters!!!”
    “Black America rejects Hillary!!!”

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    @Baud:

    I guess Graham never heard of this little thing called the Congressional Record where everyone’s votes are recorded for posterity.

    At a minimum, his Senate colleagues should make him stand up and apologize to the people of New Jersey and New York, but they probably won’t.

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    PaulW says:

    @shell:

    The only difference is that in middle school you have to cope with atomic wedgies. In Congress, they’re eager to drop atomic bombs…

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    @sharl:
    Hey, that reminds me. I’ll ask again. Does anyone have a link to that video of Jeb:( getting mad at the reporter who asked him if he meant to say ‘stuff happens’? I found his naked anger jarring. It’s a video everyone should see, a peek at the arrogant mean-spirited toddler behind the mask.

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    PaulW says:

    @Chris:

    You know hashtags don’t do anything on Balloon Juice, right?

    *gasp* no WONDER I haven’t been able to get people to favorite my tweets! /cries

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    Baud says:

    @Mandalay:

    And if she were running away with it, all the headlines would be about her coronation.

    The media is a disgrace.

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    PaulW says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Trump may be stalin but Jeb? is finnish.

    …too punny?

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    shell says:

    So, the first Dem debate is next week. Are they still only committed to six?
    Well, at least we dont have to endure the kiddie table.

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    A guy says:

    All the so called good that planned parenthood does for so called women’s health is negated by the murder of unborne children

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @shell: If Handsome Joe sez he’s running within 24 hours of the start of the debate, he’s in.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @A guy: Does your state issued ID have you birth date or date of conception?

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    @A guy:

    Have you figured out what a Pap smear does yet? If not, I’m not sure why we should listen to you about women’s health.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): Tests for Pap? Something made of Pap that you put on something? Anyway sounds icky.

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    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    No comments from the peanut gallery.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Baud: Yeah, saw that. It’s good to have the right enemies, or at least parties who are severely inconvenienced.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): Heh, these Costco peanuts sure are good.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): That’s how Jeb? refers to the Willie Horton ads.

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    Kay says:

    @WereBear:

    Have you been to a debate viewing gathering? There’s always the person who wants silent listening- “I came to listen

    Well then you’re in the wrong place!

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    Felonius Monk says:

    Isn’t a chaffetz just a severe form of jock itch?

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    It’s when someone insults your daddy.

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    JPL says:

    @Felonius Monk: He sounds more like a grifter to me. If his current gig doesn’t work out, you might see him preaching about magic god potion to treat your ailments.

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    Baud says:

    @Felonius Monk:

    I’ve always wanted to ask: are you a fan of Thelonius Monk, or is there another connection with your nym?

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    sharl says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I hadn’t heard about JEB! getting pissy in response to a reporter’s question on the “Stuff Happens” business, but I’m not surprised.

    I found a You-Tube clip that may be what you have in mind. I edited the URL to start at the 53s point, where President Obama’s response to ‘stuff happens’ is replayed. JEB!’s response comes after that. Unfortunately the video shoot comes from behind him, so his facial expression is unseen. But judging from his voice…yeah, he’s a bit peeved.

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    @sharl:

    I’m assuming it’s similar to the tone certain trolls here take when they can’t understand why people get all upset about mass murder. So what, people are dead, why should we do anything?

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    jl says:

    @Frankensteinbeck:

    Bush’s irritated petulance and resentment that someone asked him to explain himself is the first minute and a half. You get bonus Jeb? quotes that apparently attack swimming pool and traffic safety laws and regs.

    Jeb Bush on Oregon Community College Shooting: ‘Stuff Happens’
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKWsFEnzdjA

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    Chris says:

    @sharl:

    It’s amazing how entitled these people have gotten. Like Ann Romney snapping that we’ve seen all of her tax returns that we’re going to see, or Palin bawling to the right wing media about the mean liberals asking “gotcha” questions like “what papers do you read?” They’ve gotten so used to media unquestioningly going along with their charade that every time there’s a hint of anything else, they react as though they’ve been slapped in the face.

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    Origuy says:

    Bobby Jindal goes after the father of the Umpqua shooter: “a complete failure.” At LGF.

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    @sharl:
    @jl has a better link. Yours cuts off while he still sounds dignified. He doesn’t get yelling mad, he just sounds offended that anyone would dare question his wisdom, and he has to explain himself to a pea-brained prole.

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    Chyron HR says:

    @A guy:

    Is the so-called good that your huge gun collection allegedly does negated by the murder of born children?

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    sharl says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I agree – jl’s link is much better. And if you watch it further, at the 2:00 mark he starts talking about accidental child drownings in swimming pools. It gets cuts off before he goes into detail about how such tragedies don’t necessarily require a government response, e.g., improved laws, tighter enforcement, whatever.

    But (via @daveweigel via @JGreenDC), someone actually checked on that (it may have a lead-in ad). Brief quote from the article follows, but if you don’t want to dive into the whole thing, this chart from the article says it all IMO.

    When children drowned in pools, lawmakers did act to stop stuff from happening. And those actions worked.

    CDC noted that the number of children who died from accidental drownings fell 42% between 1993 and 2008 — and researchers say we can thank new safety legislation, education, and other public health actions.

    I would be morbidly, apprehensively curious as to the typical leading GOP candidates’ cost-benefit “analysis” of that data, though. {{{shudder}}}

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    oldgold says:

    I live in Iowa. Jeb! is spending a bundle on TV advertising. Every damn night we are being inundated with his Florida Miracle malarkey. My guess is it working, but only to a limited extent on those who will actually participate in the caucus.

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    @sharl:
    Resenting government regulations of all kinds is a conservative thing. Putting fences around swimming pools is exactly the kind of thing they have always railed against as stupid coddling of the weak, forcing them to suffer inconveniences for dangers that they’re sure must be imaginary.

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    22over7 says:

    @J R in WV: Lol! Well, There’s a “peace, love, and green chile” sticker with a peace sign made out of green chiles, a laid-back frog in a lounge chair sticker, a “USC Mom” sticker, and the LBGT rainbow Hillary sticker.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Haven’t read the thread, but Chaffetz was such a jackass to Cecile Richards.

    That will come through loud and clear. People will be wishing for the Orange Man.

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    Shana says:

    @JustRuss: Sounds like Mormonism in a nutshell.

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    catclub says:

    @Schlemazel: My theory, which I have, is mine.

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    catclub says:

    @22over7: No Coexist?

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    catclub says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): The interesting thing to me is that GOP is likely to vote aid to SC before aid to NJ. I wonder if we should tell them there are proportionately more black people in SC being helped by that aid?

    The real key is who runs the politics of the state. GOP in SC. Similar to LA getting ignored by GWBush after Katrina – governor was a Democrat, Mississippi getting more – governor was Haley Barbour.

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    22over7 says:

    @catclub: Nah, no Wiccan sayings, no dragons. But the car’s only a couple of years old, so who knows? XO

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    TG Chicago says:

    Chaffetz is awful, but the Secret Service ratfucking is disgraceful. The SS has been acting like idiots for the past few years, and investigations are badly needed. It’s scary that with their pants around their ankles, the SS is resorting to Nixonian tricks like this.

    The entire SS needs to be cleaned out and rebooted from scratch.

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    Mandalay says:

    @TG Chicago:

    Chaffetz is awful, but the Secret Service ratfucking is disgraceful.

    It certainly is, and I hope some heads roll, but I have limited sympathy for Chaffetz. Like Feinstein, he didn’t give a flying shit about our security services ratfucking the little people as a matter of policy, and both only became outraged when they were personally affected.

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    Jparente says:

    @J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford: Too much Carbon Monoxide at birth?

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    A N O'Ther says:

    Mrs O’Ther and I went to a Chaffetz townhall shortly after he was first elected (we were constituents, no longer so because of redistricting). At one point he got a difficult question about healthcare (something about mortality rate versus spending or something equally wonkish). He considered for a second and came back with the perfect answer for his audience (note the careful use of the word believe):

    “I believe that in America, we have the best healthcare system in the world”! The place erupted into chants of U-S-A U-S-A. I was reminded of Nuremberg 1938.

    The really scary thing though was the look on Chaffetz’ own face – he was drinking it up, intoxicated with the power. So, yes, it was a lot like 1938. Fortunately, he missed the second part of the “evil genius” job training.

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