I’m Glad We’ve Got That Straightened Out

America is a lot of things, the greatest country in the world, absolutely,” Rubio said, talking about climate change. “But America is not a planet.”


Pluto for Science Advisor!

Seriously — I can’t even…

Potential presidents? I’m not sure these people can be trusted around metal cutlery.

That is all. (Open thread)

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115 replies
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    Elizabelle says:

    Good morning Tom. Thanks for the new thread.

    PS: I like seeing Pluto’s happy little face. Republicans? Not so much.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Resolved: build a giant spindizzy so we can lift America off the planet when it’s no longer habitable.

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    WereBear says:

    I was out and about last night and missed the “debate” on CNN. Thanks to all commenters. What a metaphorical train wreck!

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    Or a flying saucer shaped like a giant guitar. That will also work.

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    Mack says:

    The debate has probably been hashed and rehashed on the previous thread, but all I came away with was that Fiorina will be on the ticket, the only question is on top or bottom? (teed that up, didn’t I)

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    Jeffro says:

    I totally called it: Oh, Marco! Oh, Carly!


    (Glad to see a woman neocon can saber-rattle as well as any male neocon too – yay for America!)

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    What’s next, “It’s a dessert topping! It’s a floor wax!”?

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    NotMax says:

    America is not a dessert topping either.

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    BGinCHI says:

    “America is a lot of things”?

    Commie pinko.

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    debbie says:


    That video of a Minion near the beginning of the article tells me everything I need to know about the debate.

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    Morzer says:

    America is not a planet

    Once again, Obama has betrayed us.

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    D58826 says:

    Potential presidents? I’m not sure these people can be trusted around metal cutlery.

    I’m not sure I’d truist them with cardboard cutlery!!!!!

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    RP says:

    Laugh all you want, but that was one of the most coherent comments of the night.

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    Morzer says:


    I wouldn’t trust them with Jay Cutlery…

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    @RP: The next one being “Hamana, hamana, hamana.”

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @RP: At least it wasn’t a lie. (when I heard he said that, I had to look it up to make sure)

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    NotMax says:

    Questions not asked last night:

    The spork: Boon or Bane?

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    debbie says:

    Not to overly obsess on Fiornia’s hypocrisy, but here’s her remarks on Barbara Boxer’s hair:


    And here’s Boxer’s response:


    Funny. Carly’s ideas are still so yesterday.

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    Baud says:

    America is the planet.

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    Morzer says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    I think the gurgling sounds made by Rand Paul’s cranial sprinkler system deserve a separate entry in the most coherent comment stakes.

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    Morzer says:

    Sam Harris is going to really appreciate this comparison:


    Sam Harris has an amazing talent: he can say the most awful things, and a horde of helpful apologists will rise up in righteous fury and simultaneously insist that he didn’t really say that, and yeah, he said that, but it only makes sense. And they have a battery of excuses that boil down to another contradiction: you must parse his words very carefully, one by one, and yet also his words must be understood in their greater context. They actually have a lot in common with radical Islamists: the sacred holy texts can only be understood in their original language, and the appropriate way to study them is by rote memorization.

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    MomSense says:


    I have a video of my dog eating a Minion toy while the poor little plastic creature says “ok. oh oh oh ok.” It was very popular with the parents on Instagram who have been suffering the damned talking toys.

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    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    Tom – I was worried that 700 comments risked breaking the blog (even more). Sorry!



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    gene108 says:

    What I like about Trump is he’s giving a big fuck you to the traditional “power brokers” behind the Republican Party, such as the Club for Growth, the various Fundie mega-church pastors, as well as the “think tank” crowd.

    None of these guys were particularly serious about dealing with reality and were thinly veiled attempts at defrauding America for the ends of their pay masters, but Trump’s just established his own alternate reality, which is more popular than the alternate reality – tax cuts are always good, God hates race mixing, Rock ‘n’ Roll, the rap music, fags, or whatever bullshit the “think tanks” are paid to push – these institutions have created.

    I’ll build a wall. I’ll deport everyone who is here illegally. I’ll make it work. I’ll get Mexico to pay for it, etc. has become more appealing than the crap the others have been peddling for decades.

    It is fun to watch.

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    Patrick says:


    There is such a hypocrisy. When any Republican makes fun of how Hillary or Chelsea Clinton look, it is funny and people like Fiorina don’t say a word.

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    Morzer says:


    I think Trump is very much what a big chunk of the GOP base longs for. He’s the Man Of Destiny who can kick the asses of the Beltway RINOs and piss off liberals at the same time. They’ve spent decades cultivating a sense that their own chosen candidates have betrayed them – and here’s Trump, self-financed, free from the structures run by those same RINOs, and willing to say all the goofy, repulsive things that they long to hear, while mocking the aforesaid RINOs with a vengeance. I am not at all sure that the GOP base is going to abandon Trump easily, especially when the preferred candidate of the party elders is Jeb! – a man who looks and sounds like the principle of weak, compromising, elite RINO treason walking among them.

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    gene108 says:

    America is not a planet

    A situation we can correct by conquering the rest of the world and renaming this here planet.

    I say we start with Canada.

    No shots need to be fired. We just need to finalize the North American Union. Despite the cranks fear of the NAU, we have ten times the population of Canada. Hell, California has more people than Canada. We would so totally dominate the Canucks, by sheer weight of numbers, that they would cease to exist.

    Same goes with Mexico. We out number them 2-3 to 1.

    With North America firmly in our political control, we can than consolidate our control on the continent.

    First get rid of the metric system where it exists. The long awaited end to French Imperial hegemony in weights and measures cannot come soon enough, if you ask me.

    We then make English American the official language of North America. I do not think Central or South America will come peacefully. War will be inevitable.

    At that point, I believe global domination will only be a matter of time.

    It is possible.

    I have won at Risk.

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    Kay says:


    I don’t think it matters though because there’s a huge conservative campaign-industrial complex and he’s hiring them.

    After investing a sizable fortune into building a political machine that now rivals the size and budgets of both major political parties, the conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch are seeing some of their top operatives take jobs with the presidential campaign of Donald Trump.
    The fact that many of Trump’s political positions are at odds with those of the Koch brothers does not seem to be a factor.

    He’s not really going to manage this thing. He doesn’t know how. The same people who manage all of conservative politicking will run it. He probably thinks his will be different but it won’t. They know much more about the actual GOP electorate than he does, which is why he’s hiring them. They’ll influence him, not the other way around. I think the “outsider” theme gets harder and harder to sustain as his organization fills up with conservative operatives.

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    gene108 says:


    But he’s already broken the mold. Saying he’s going to tax billionaires a lot has broken the mold. Not totally condemning Planned Parenthood has broken the mold. Saying he’ll strengthen traditional Social Security and Medicare has broken the mold.

    I know you’ve seen how, literally, Republicans read from the same script. They are not used to actual challenges to their script, from within their ranks.

    The biggest challenge is should we cut taxes more or just eliminate state income taxes all together, as was proposed by Gov. Jindal.

    Trump’s introduced his own script.

    Even if he surrounds himself with GOP operatives, there’s no rewriting what he’s already written. And what he’s written seems to be very popular to the establishment Republicans dismay.

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    JPL says:

    I thought Fiorina’s comment about not talking to Putin, was naive, foolish and dangerous. The media tells me she is strong on foreign affairs.

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    rikyrah says:

    Good Morning, Everyone :)

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    Paul in KY says:

    @NotMax: The fpoon, bane or boon?

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    MomSense says:


    I guess the Kochs are learning about the perils of hiring mercenaries.

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    rikyrah says:


    Keith Boykin
    Ted Cruz says he would have nominated Edith Jones instead of John Roberts to the Supreme Court. #GOPDebate

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    Benw says:

    Good morning everyone! I salute the commenters in the last few threads for watching the morons and keeping the rest of us entertained by your comments.

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    rikyrah says:

    This is Rafael’s choice….


    Ten Things You Should Know About The Federal Judge Accused Of Racism
    JUN 5, 2013 3:47PM

    Earlier this week, several civil rights groups filed an official complaint against Judge Edith Jones, a former chief judge of the powerful United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, alleging that she claimed that African-Americans and Hispanics are predisposed towards violent crime and that the death penalty is a public service because it allows inmates to “make peace with God.” Though these allegations will need to be proven during the formal ethics process, they are entirely in line with Jones’ past record. Here are some other facts you should know about Judge Edith Jones:

    1. Edith Jones Waved Off Horrific Sexual Harassment
    A paper mill worker named Susan Waltman’s supervisor told her to have sex with a co-worker, “pinched her buttocks with pliers and tried to put his hands in her back pockets,” and fellow employees hung used tampons from their lockers. When she complained to a manager, she was told she should “expect this type of behavior working with men.” After she complained, an employee of another company that worked in the mill grabbed her arm while she was carrying a vial of hot liquid, and another worker stuck his tongue in her ear. One of her co-workers told her “he would cut off her breast and shove it down her throat.” He later dangled her over a stairwell thirty feet above the floor. Though she met with senior managers about these incidents, the harassment continued. At one point, a co-worker “grabbed Waltman’s breasts and directed a high pressure hose at her crotch.”

    Judge Jones wrote a dissenting opinion claiming that this woman’s sexual harassment suit should be thrown out.

    2. Edith Jones Thinks Victims Of Employment Discrimination Should ‘”Take A Better Second Job Instead Of Bringing Suit”
    In a speech at the University of Texas, Jones claimed that employment discrimination suits “seldom turn on evidence of race- or sex-based discrimination” and generally involve “petty interoffice disputes, recrimination, second-guessing and suspicion.” She advised workers claiming discrimination to “[t]ake a better second job instead of bringing suit,” according to the Houston Chronicle.


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    Patrick says:


    What’s next; the media will tell us she did a good job at HP and knows how to run a business?

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    Morzer says:


    I am waiting for the soft-focus stories about how It Takes A Lemonade Stand.

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    Cervantes says:


    Laugh all you want, but that was one of the most coherent comments of the night.

    I’m inclined to agree.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Good morning here.

    Come on buds. We can get last night’s thread up to 800 comments! 776 comments and counting…

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    rikyrah says:

    Twitter is a game changer…


    Meet the woman behind #IStandWithAhmed.

    A Texas college student wanted to show her support for Ahmed Mohamed. Twenty-four hours later, her hashtag has started a movement.

    More than 700,000 people have taken to Twitter to support Ahmed Mohamed, a 14-year-old student who was arrested after bringing a homemade clock to school that was mistaken for a bomb.


    The hashtag was created by Amneh Jafari, who wrote, “If his name was John he would be labelled as a genius. Since its Ahmed he’s labelled as a “suspect”. #doublestandards #IStandWithAhmed.”

    Jafari, a 23-year-old psychology student at the University of Texas Arlington (UTA), was shocked that such a young student was arrested in her state.

    She told BBC Trending that as the oldest of nine children, with two siblings around Ahmed’s age, “it was so close to home.”


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    FlipYrWhig says:

    That awful, dim, and conventional April Ryan, a reporter who for no discernible reason appears regularly on Lawrence O’Donnell, said about Fiorina something pretty close to this: “Even though she may have gotten many things wrong, she showed a wide-ranging command of the facts.” Sigh.

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    beltane says:

    The only one of the Republicans running who isn’t completely ugly is Marco Rubio. I’d include Jeb but he’s a Bush and he looks like a Bush. The rest of them have faces better suited to radio.

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    debbie says:


    Her entire plan was ridiculous. Rebuilding the fleet, putting troops throughout the Balkans, and on and on. Voodoo militarism.

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    Kay says:


    I wish that were true but his Democratic positions get no play. They talk about his celebrity and his personality as the key to his success. The only people who are saying his supporters are drawn to his positions on Social Security and taxes are Democrats. I don’t think the money people care who carries the message, or even what the candidate says during the campaign. They just want to win.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @debbie: That sounds like the plan for the Ottoman Empire.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Patrick:What’s next; the media will tell us she did a good job at HP and knows how to run a business into the ground?

    FTFY, no charge.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Kay: @gene108: Nobody supporting Trump is drawn to his positions on anything. It’s purely his confrontational nature. “I will do things, big things, good things, and if you think I can’t you’re an idiot.” How he’ll do it doesn’t enter into it.

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    Cervantes says:


    Thanks for countering Ted Cruz on Edith Jones. She has been considered for a Supreme Court nomination more than once — and will be again when next we have a Republican president.

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    Kay says:


    The Kochs are playing a really long game and most of the stuff they care about happens at the state level. Walker would speed that up with federal action- labor, environmental laws, mostly- but they can get 90% to where they want to go without a President.

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    MomSense says:


    I know. We have been dealing with a lot of Koch bills (and bad laws) since the 2010 clusterfuck election.

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    Jeffro says:

    On a separate note, for some reason we have been receiving the Wall Street Journal at home along with the Post these past two weeks. It has been pretty useless – not really all that into business news on top of business news – but reading the editorials and op-eds has been insightful into the Establishment wingnut mind.

    Until today when it just blew me away with the outright lies, one after another, in Daniel Henniger’s column about “the mad-as-hell” American electorate. A sample:
    – “Some 30% of Republican voters want as their president the former host of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’. About the same percentage of Democrats prefer a 74-year-old Socialist who seems to believe federal revenue is created by pixies.
    – “…Barack Obama bears responsibility for much of this madness. His conduct of the presidency, more than all the other pilloried persons in public life, led us to Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders.”
    – “Barack Obama is fundamentally apolitical. He claims Congress doesn’t work. That is an excuse…you think you’re mad? Talk to members of Congress, Republican or Democrat, and you will discover people also driven nuts by the virtual impossibility over two presidential terms of practicing normal politics.”
    – “The political vacuum built up over seven years of the Obama presidency has now popped, in both parties.”

    Wow – o – wowzers. Did y’all know Obama created both Trump and Sanders? Also he’s the reason Congress can’t get any work done. Take that, Obots!

    Also, Sanders, you silly goose: revenues don’t come from pixies!! They come from job creators like the people who read the WSJ.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Matt McIrvin: That only works for Boston…

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Jeffro: Someone else wrote a similar column recently in a similar outlet. Michael Barone maybe? Same argument: people are mad at the establishment because Barack Obama broke it. SMH.

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    Benw says:

    It’s been Okay if you’re a Republican for awhile now, but the curve that last night’s mess is being graded on in the media this morning is astounding. Like, Emporer without clothes level shit.

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    Kay says:


    I think he’s really hit home with his “I’ll get a better deal” message. It has a long history in politics- the new deal, for example.

    If you talk to people who are really fed up and feel the country is fundamentally unfair that’s what they complain about- people make bad deals on their behalf. 90% of the opposition to US trade deals is the firm belief people have that government makes bad deals for working people. They don’t object to deal-making. They just feel no one is considering how it will play out for them. I watched his Iowa speech and they really respond to that part of his pitch. I’m sympathetic to them- I think they have a legitimate gripe. Bernie Sanders says the same thing but in a much more sophisticated way- he says you’re getting bad deals because you don’t have any political power. Economic inequality comes from political inequality.

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    rikyrah says:

    Barbara BoxerVerified account
    As @CarlyFiorina attacked Iran tonight she failed to mention that while she was CEO she sold them computer parts, which was against the law.

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    Enhanced Voting Techniques says:

    @Jeffro: –

    “Some 30% of Republican voters want as their president the former host of ‘Celebrity Apprentice’. About the same percentage of Democrats prefer a 74-year-old Socialist who seems to believe federal revenue is created by pixies.

    So upping the taxes to balance the budget is believing in magic, in the WSJ world. Sounds about right for that lot.

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    Gravenstone says:

    To be fair to little Marco, had he said that “America is not the planet”, he’d have made a bit more sense, with the added bonus of being correct. Not that such a sentiment will sit well with the America Uber Alles clowns.

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    Joel says:

    Apropos. And, no, I didn’t watch.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Kay: This may actually be Trump’s first real mistake. Hiring away talent from Kochistan – which has a whole battery of purity tests – could well alter his campaign to be more like what the Kochs et al actually want. OTOH, it’ll p!ss off the Kochs who not only want their idiotology but want to be the ones controlling it…

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    D58826 says:

    @Morzer: all he needs is the white horse

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    Peale says:

    @JPL: the entire foreign policy discussion last night was about how to defeat so called enemies, as if that’s the only thing a foreign policy is about. Nothing about improving relationships, settling disputes peacefully, or even maintaining friendships. It’s like the only problems that matter are problems that can only be made worse through threats and belligerence and the U.S. Is prepared to make things worse in every imaginable situation.

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    Patrick says:


    About the same percentage of Democrats prefer a 74-year-old Socialist who seems to believe federal revenue is created by pixies.

    I wonder if the Wall Street Journal also think federal revenue is created by pixies. The WSJ favored the very expensive Iraq war, it favored Jeb Bush’s brothers expensive tax cuts etc etc.

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    debbie says:

    Glenn Beck and his minions are smitten with Fiorina and think Democrats should be terrified of her. I’d love to see Hillary respond to her plans for the military, specifically these statements:

    “Having met Vladimir Putin, I wouldn’t talk to him at all. We’ve talked way too much to him,” said Fiorina about the Russian president.

    “What I would do immediately is begin rebuilding the Sixth Fleet. I would begin rebuilding the missile defense program in Poland. I would conduct regular aggressive military exercises in the Baltic states. I’d probably send a few thousand more soldiers into Germany,” said Fiorina.

    “We need about 50 army brigades, we need about 36 marine battalions, we need somewhere between 300-350 naval ships. We need to upgrade every leg of the nuclear triad,” declared Fiorina.


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    EZSmirkzz says:

    Must admit, I didn’t watch it, nor did I miss it.

    I did however listen to Barnes and Barnes Fishheads. I think I came out ahead.

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    rikyrah says:

    Here’s an interview with Ahmed. He can probably fix your car too, if it’s broke. I’m still pissed at what the did to him.


    All In Exclusive with Ahmed Mohamed
    Chris Hayes talks with the Texas 14-year-old who was arrested and suspended for bringing a homemade digital clock to school, after a teacher said it looked like a bomb.


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    boatboy_srq says:


    Sanders, you silly goose: revenues don’t come from pixies!! They come from job creators like the people who read the WSJ.

    Significant difference: pixies might not be real (that is a debatable point), but they’ve been cultural staples for over a millennium. “Job Creators,” OTOH, are a recently created fictional creature.

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    Patrick says:


    They kept claiming that the US is not respected abroad. WTF – where the hell were these candidates when George W Bush was President? Obama was treated a heck of a lot better than Bush ever was when he made visits to Europe. Heck, Can Cheney even make visits abroad without fearing getting arrested?

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    D58826 says:

    @debbie: and the WSJ pixies will pay for all of this?

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    NorthLeft12 says:

    @Enhanced Voting Techniques: All you need to remember about the WSJ and the other conservative geniuses is that they believe federal revenue is increased by cutting taxes on the rich and corporations. Believing that federal revenue is created by pixies is more plausible IMO.

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    Peale says:

    @boatboy_srq: or it will turn out that operatives are a bunch of crass, immoral, cynical flunkies who be,I’ve what whoever is paying them this week believe. I’ll go with flinkies.

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    boatboy_srq says:


    “We need about 50 army brigades, we need about 36 marine battalions, we need somewhere between 300-350 naval ships. We need to upgrade every leg of the nuclear triad,” declared Fiorina.

    Well, at least she has numbers for all those “moar ships and troops” Rmoney wanted. Where does she think, though, that all those brigades/battalions/crews will come from? And ships and nukes cost money and DoD/DoE resources (and we all know how the wingnut fringe of the GOTea feels about DoE)…

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    RP says:

    @gene108: This is solid proof of cleek’s law IMO. The GOP base doesn’t really care about specific positions. They’re mad at planned parenthood because they’re told to be mad, but they don’t care one way or the other. Hell, abortion itself wasn’t that much of a hot button issue until the late 70s/early 80s. They’re just mad at the “left,” and will hyperventilate about any issue they’re told is a big deal.

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    debbie says:


    My only concern is that this might usher in Cheney’s return to government. Who else could have been behind these plans?

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    Kay says:


    which has a whole battery of purity tests

    Do they, though, or do they just start really far Right and then get what they get and move on? The operatives Trump is hiring will have organized primary states for the Koch’s. They will have identified very far Right voters. So does Trump move to those prmary voters or do they move to him? I know he thinks they’ll move to him, but I don’t. I think he’ll do whatever to get them.

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    FlipYrWhig says:

    @Kay: I don’t know. I don’t like people or talk to many different ones. I trust your sense of what connects and what doesn’t. But I have a hard time telling the difference between “I’ll get a better deal” and “I’ll kick their asses.” IMHO all Trump is selling is strength and success. Same way he got a bunch of idiots to pay thousands of dollars for his real estate seminars.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Peale: Amorality (outside what can be mined from Leviticus) seems to be a hallmark of the Teahad. Trump actually seems to have some shred of ethics – nothing any of us would respect, but ethics nonetheless – so they’ll be a bit out of place in his campaign. And are flinkies what we call the Job Creator imaginary beings?

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    FlipYrWhig says:


    They kept claiming that the US is not respected abroad.

    When they say “respected” they mean “feared” (by Muslims and Russians) and “trusted” (by Likud).

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Kay: Reminder: I spent four years in a SBC university near-tailored to providing Reichwing cannon fodder (I sometimes think I majored in Hypocrisy), so I’ve seen it firsthand. The indoctrination starts early and goes long.

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    Patrick says:


    Where does she think, though, that all those brigades/battalions/crews will come from? And ships and nukes cost money and DoD/DoE resources (and we all know how the wingnut fringe of the GOTea feels about DoE)…

    To quote the Wall Street Journal: Maybe she thinks “federal revenue is created by pixies”.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @debbie: Fiorina could well be persuaded to bring the Cheney/Rumsfeld/Bolton trifecta back. But without the added DoD/DoE muscle they’re less capable. I’d love to see how she’d get the added spending past sequestration…

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    Debbie says:

    And Beck’s now calling Rick Santorum the Churchill of the Middle East!

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    Patrick says:


    If Kim Davis can be Rosa Parks, then anything is possible.

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    Thoughtful Today says:

    What’s for breakfast?

    I keep eyeing* the cupcakes on the counter…

    * Spellcheck doesn’t like the word eyeing, … nor apparently the word spellcheck….

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    Peale says:

    @boatboy_srq: and while we’re building this new monstrosity to send Russia a message, russia will? What? Stop finding people to buy its oil? Do they think Russia will try to match our spending?

    If I were Russia, I’d just talk smack about the U.S. Until it spent itself into oblivion.

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    rikyrah says:

    Can Congress behave itself when the pope visits?

    So last week, four House members — Democrats Dan Lipinski (Ill.), Juan Vargas (Calif.), and Republicans Jeff Fortenberry (Neb.) and Tim Murphy (Pa.) sent a letter to House Speaker John Boehner and Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi, asking them to put out some sort of guidance “to the House and Senate on the appropriate decorum, protocol and behavior. . . .”

    Members could use info on “how to greet the Pope, proper attire [no jeans?] . . . among other matters of etiquette,” the letter said.


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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Baud: now that’s leadery leadership

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Peale: Russia can’t match US deep pockets for defense. What it can do is make common cause with all the other nations the US has p!ssed off over the ages (actually happening in Syria, and potentially occurring with Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, etc etc) and form a large enough bloc to oppose the US. Tensions with Europe, South America, Oceania and Africa would rise because none of them want to be caught in the middle and while they may not want to see Russia (especially Putin’s Russia) on the rise they’ll want to see Russia rising thanks to US provocation even less. Fiorina’s recipe is not one for success.

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    D58826 says:

    @Patrick: Given how she seems to be just throwing numbers out there to sound knowledgeable it’s easy to see how she ran HP into the ground. Oh wait that must have been a different Carly. Her evil twin maybe???

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    Debbie says:


    Even a Churchill who is promising to fire the entire State Department, I guess.

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    Morzer says:


    The young Churchill was an irresponsible, bellicose, somewhat bigoted maniac deeply distrusted by all side of the British political divide. The comparison may be more apt than Beck intended.

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    benw says:

    @Thoughtful Today:

    What’s for breakfast?

    I’m bummed because the last few chocolate buttermilk banana muffins I’d been hoarding for breakfast this morning got moldy overnight.

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    Cervantes says:

    Via @rikyrah:

    Members could use info on “how to greet the Pope, proper attire [no jeans?] . . . among other matters of etiquette,” the letter said.

    Many of them should wear sackcloth and ashes.

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    Debbie says:


    You could be right. Churchill also attempted to subvert the American government to get us into WWII.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Debbie: @Morzer: Best descriptor: Gallipoli-era Churchill.

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    Thoughtful Today says:


    “chocolate buttermilk banana muffins “

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    Thoughtful Today says:


    MomSense says: “I guess the Kochs are learning about the perils of hiring mercenaries.”

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @benw: Sorry to read that. I did the lazy thing since I didn’t buy a new can of coffee — I went across the street to the newspaper shop and bought coffee and a croissant. (Granted it’s a fresh, hot croissant but it fulfills my desire for something buttery.) I had the eggs and sausage to cook at home.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @boatboy_srq: Ah, but he paid a price for that debacle. While he wasn’t pushed out of the government completely, he did join the army and fight on the front lines. He regained some of the honor and standing he had lost. It was a long way to making him credible for his role during WWII.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if any of the Bushes or Cheney faced the same consequences?

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @PurpleGirl: my bad… it’s NOT a fresh, hot croissant. Noticed it too late to fix.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @PurpleGirl: That would translate as “chickenhawks to the front lines” for the modern US equivalents, wouldn’t it? that seems like the clearest lesson from that experience. So far the closest the Reichwing gets there are Scott, West and Cotton, who went into combat first: as of now the results are not especially impressive when it comes to either policymaking or mere Reichwhingeing.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @rikyrah: I’m waiting for someone to shout “you lie!” at the Pontiff when he speaks. That’ll go over well.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @boatboy_srq: WaPost had an item up (didn’t click) about Boehner and Pelosi furiously putting together some guidelines for Pope Francis’s visit.

    I take it they are not addressed TO the pontiff.

    And Boehner was worried enough to drag Pelosi along for cover.

    ETA: Whoops! I see rikyrah has the item up! Comment 89.

    Apologies for reading from the bottom of the thread up.

    Carry on, and thanks to rikyrah.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @boatboy_srq: Yes, it would. But our chickenhawks are no where near as honorable as Churchill tried to be.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @boatboy_srq: Well, that depends on if he speaks in English to the Congress or in Spanish. The Vatican has already said that only 4 of his 18 speeches will in English.

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    Bubblegum Tate says:


    I have won at Risk.

    How long before a Gooper cites this as “foreign policy experience”?

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    Thoughtful Today says:

    “upping the taxes to balance the budget is believing in magic”

    You now understand Rightwingistan.

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    Cervantes says:


    I take it they are not addressed TO the pontiff.


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    Cervantes says:

    @Bubblegum Tate:

    @gene108: I have won at Risk.

    How long before a Gooper cites this as “foreign policy experience”?

    I can think of a few whose résumés would be improved considerably if only they had played the game, never mind won it.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @PurpleGirl: Which just makes the comparison even more inappropriate.

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    mclaren says:

    Actually, America is a planet for all intents and purposes — an alien planet full of bizarre space creatures who build creation museums and deny evolution and believe overwhelmingly (61%) that the Devil is real.

    As a visitor from the planet Reality, I find the alien planet America extremely disconcerting, and have a great deal of difficulty communicating with its weird alien inhabitants.

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