Open Thread: Eleven Repubs Talking Smack

Here’s another debate thread with some predictions – Anne Laurie’s Internet dropped and I (mistermix) am posting it for her.

811 replies
  1. 1
    Baud says:

    Anne Laurie’s Internet dropped

    I blame Obama. #GOPdebate

  2. 2
    Baud says:

    USA — Under the dome!

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    Mike J says:

    Is “I (mistermix)” is the sequel to I, Claudius?

  4. 4
    Chris says:

    I don’t usually watch these debates.

    Man, the moderators are just BLATANT about trying to start fights.

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    MomSense says:

    I read the title of this post as 11 Republicans Smoking Crack. The debate suddenly made sense.

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    Morzer says:

    @Mike J:

    I can’t wait for Livia’s Diary.

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    Jeffro says:

    Wow they are really loving Rubio Fiorina and Carson aren’t they ?

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    Baud says:

    @MomSense: that would be an improvement.

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    raven says:

    @Jeffro: Worse for Hucker.

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    Morzer says:

    Cruz says thank goodness for Donald Trump because now the media is talking about immigration.

    Trump is surprisingly untroubled by Cruz’s pointy nose exploring the yuuge inner recesses of the Trump Asscrack.

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    Morzer says:

    @Jeffro:

    Well, you know that the GOP is the real party of diversity…..

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    Schlemazel says:

    @MomSense:
    Republicans making you want to take smack.

    Tie me off Lenny

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    NotMax says:

    For any who might have heard of the Chilean earthquake and possible tsunami heading to Hawaii –

    We’re under a tsunami watch, not a warning. No confirmation of tsunami waves generated yet.

    The Pacific Tsunami Warning Center released the following statement, “Based on all available data, a tsunami may have been generated by this earthquake that could be destructive on coastal areas even far from the epicenter. An investigation is underway to determine if there is a tsunami threat to Hawaii.”
     
    If tsunami waves impact Hawaii, the estimated earliest arrival of the first tsunami wave is 3:11 a.m. HST on Thursday, September 17 Source

    That’s 12 hours from now.

    If tsunami waves impact Hawaii, the estimated earliest arrival of the first tsunami wave is 3:11 a.m. HST on Thursday, September 17. Currently, forecasters say waves of 0.3 to 1 meter above the tide level are possible. Source

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    Keith G says:

    @Morzer:

    Trump is surprisingly untroubled by Cruz’s pointy nose exploring the yuuge inner recesses of the Trump Asscrack.

    I am sure no one else (esp. his wives) never ventured there.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I’m just thinking about Chile.

    They have worse problems tonight than we do.

    Fiorina: why have Democrats not solved this (immigration) problem?

    During that magic year, just after an economic crash and during an active war. Yes, Let’s have put more on the plate.

    But you won’t even admit what was going on in 2008-9, will you?

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    Morzer says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Fiorina: why have Democrats not solved this (immigration) problem?

    Possibly because the Republican donor corporate bosses don’t actually want them to?

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    Elizabelle says:

    Hewlett Packard. Bingo squares.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    Carly may just be the 2016 veep. Don’t think her business record would work for the top spot. The Donald looks pretty flushed tonight? He looks like hes either perspiring or got shiny make up on.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Morzer: They all talk “border security”. E-verify.

    If we were jailing and majorly fining employers, that would dry up the supply of jobs, which is the magnet. But that is never, ever, ever mentioned. GOP don’t want to turn off the illegal workers spigot either.

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    Morzer says:

    Fascinating to see noted constitutional scholar with exotic pet on head Rand Paul agreeing with noted constitutional scholar with exotic pet on head Donald Trump re: the 14th amendment.

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    Baud says:

    @Morzer:

    So that’s where Carly gets her material from.

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    Capri says:

    Just wanted to go on record thanking Chris Hayes for not opening with the debate and covering a wide number ot topics. One of his better shows. Unfortunately, Rachel didn’t exhibit the same restraint.

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    David Koch says:

    Trump is just burying Fiorina.

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    This is really weird, right?

    @Schlemazel:

    Watching these wahoos for three hours is probably worse for my brain than taking smack.

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    Botsplainer says:

    Go Carly!

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    raven says:

    @Capri: Yea because I’m sure the host determines what is on the show.

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    Keith G says:

    @Capri:

    Rachel didn’t exhibit the same restraint

    The two nouns in the above sentence can not exist in the same galaxy.

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    Botsplainer says:

    Shit, Christie says something right.

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    David Koch says:

    6 of them fighting over the mic is really presidential

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    Baud says:

    Christie is an empty suit. Has he expressed a single idea?

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    MomSense says:

    @NotMax:

    Oh God.

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    JPL says:

    What happened to Huck?

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    Waldo says:

    Wow — Christie wins the Big Mansplainer on Campus award

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    Jeffro says:

    I’m telling you, even my kids are able to see through these people…

    Oh and here is another chance for Carly to stick her claim (this time rebutting Christie). I may have been wrong in my earlier prediction that Rubio was going to be the most fluffed candidate on the stage but it looks like it’s going to be Carly

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    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    Childhood trauma?

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    Morzer says:

    Ah, Trump and Carly the Bloody going at each other over their business records. Popcorn futures are soaring YUUUGELY!

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    gene108 says:

    @Baud:

    Christie is an empty suit. Has he expressed a single idea?

    He’s going for sound bites. He doesn’t need any ideas.

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    Helen says:

    Did Kasich just say there was a 5 trillion SURPLUS in the federal budget? No there wasn’t. WTF is he talking about?

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    Morzer says:

    @efgoldman:

    We definitely need more than six Baud-on-Baud debates.

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    JPL says:

    Kasich is now talking about the Clinton years but he’s taking credit.

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    Jeffro says:

    Kaisch: I wouldn’t make a bad moderate Democrat, would I?

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    scav says:

    There were eleven on the screen and the little one Screamed “Roll Over! “Roll Over!”
    So they all rolled over and One Fell Out.

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    David Koch says:

    kasich putting people to sleep. he’s a human sominex.

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    Baud says:

    @Morzer:

    Baud-on-Baud debates.

    That sounds like something Santorum would hate.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Baud: No, that’s Walker’s bald spot.

    And I think I made the right decision in watching Breathless.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    I don’t want anybody hurt but,shit, I would love to have CNN absolutely have to do a breaking news thing right now and go to Hawaii for the tsunami and go to the WH and Dem governor of Hawaii for.an update.

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    JPL says:

    Huck is finally asked a question and we need the sales tax.. whoops fair tax to the rich

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    Elizabelle says:

    This is just so depressing.

    These people are mean and shrill and unqualified.

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    @Baud: Are you sure the suit is empty? I thought it was spilling over.

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    PeakVT says:

    Hard to believe the election is still over 13 months away. That’s really the main story for me: we collectively (and the media especially) has pretty much forgotten there is a difference between campaigning and governance.

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    gene108 says:

    Poor Huckabee. He get bitch slapped hard by the Club for Growth in 2008, ’cause he had to raise taxes in Arkansas to comply with a state Supreme Court decision to better fund Arkansas schools.

    Now he’s gone to the Fair Tax.

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    NotMax says:

    @MomSense

    Not to worry. Can easily weather it should anything of any magnitude arrive at all. At 3 in the a.m., the coastal roads will be all but deserted anyway.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Helen: It was a projected surplus for 2010, then shrub was elected.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: Kinky.

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    Botsplainer says:

    I’m getting another goddamned drink.

    Yes, I think I want to lay on the couch and yak on the floor. These people suck. The only decent human on that stage is Carson, and he is a moron.

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    Keith G says:

    Now Chile has an exploding volcano.

    Man, are they fucked

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    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    He can wink at the audience while refudiating himself.

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    David Koch says:

    Jeb! – completely silent. He really is low energy.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: I am catching up with NYT’s NYFW coverage, then some stargazing in the back yard with a telescope. Clowns scare me so I cannot watch the Republican debate.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    OMG, Rands hairpiece looks awful tonight. He needs to talk to Carlys hairstylist pronto.

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    Baud says:

    @Morzer:

    Last time I did that, the police were called.

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    Waldo says:

    Hey, they’re asking Walker a question about lameness — his area of expertise.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @MomSense:

    Watching these wahoos for three hours is probably worse for my brain than taking smack.

    It’s certainly worse for your blood pressure.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: So that’s what the kids call it these days.

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    Morzer says:

    Ben Carson may be an excellent surgeon, but he comes across as a crass, greedy, ignorant son of a bitch in every other area.

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    JPL says:

    Jeb really does have a lazy eye. I don’t mean to be ugly but he is just out of sorts.

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    David Koch says:

    Ha! Tapper just slapped Walker for engaging in double talk

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    Helen says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    The projected surplus was about $300 BILLION. Didn’t he say $5 TRILLION? Or did I hear wrong?

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    Morzer says:

    @Baud:

    Alinsky! Alinsky!

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    Ted Cruz sounds like swearing Yosemite Sam, only more unhinged.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Chris:

    Man, the moderators are just BLATANT about trying to start fights.

    I was listening to CNN earlier this afternoon on sat radio, and they were interviewing a number of GOP campaign advisors. It was clear that all they (CNN) were interested in was a big ole fight. “How would you advise (your candidate) to attack Trump?” “Will (your candidate) shoot back if Trump attacks him?” “Can Carly punch hard and still be seen as above the fray?”

    Give me a fucking break.

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    Helen says:

    @Helen:

    Yep I just wound back. He said $5 TRILLION.

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    GregB says:

    I schlepped over to Drudge.

    Trump is winning with 54% over second place Fiorina at 18%. Cruz is third.

    Rubio, Kasich, Bush and Christie are in the gutter.

    The base loves Trump.

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    gene108 says:

    @Morzer:

    Ben Carson may be an excellent surgeon, but he comes across as a crass, greedy, ignorant son of a bitch in every other area.

    His minimum wage answer was not totally bug-fuck crazy.

    Walker on the other hand ays we don’t need a minimum wage. We just need people to get the skills to make more than the minimum wage. But people still need to flip burgers, so what are they supposed to make? Dumb ass.

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    Baud says:

    @Morzer:

    I refudiate that.

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    Waldo says:

    Even with Trump, Huck and Cruz in the room, Hewitt will not be out-D-bagged.

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    Mary G says:

    This debate is awful.

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    Mike in NC says:

    When did CNN hire Tapper? Was it because Blitzer wasn’t enough of an embarrassment?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Keith G: That’s something, to have a big news night and CNN is locked into the Clown calvacade.

    I just see commercials on MSNBC. Now it’s Rachel, with her planned program.

    Fox has Tony Perkins on. Some movie coming out with a Christian theme. Gag …

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    gene108 says:

    Carly going all askew on Hillary…name a Hillary accomplishment…smack…

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @JPL: nah, you’re confused,Walkers the one with the lazy eye. Jebs got squinty eyes.

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    Morzer says:

    @GregB:

    It’s a yuuuge mystery why the GOP base should prefer a fat, fake-haired, blowhard white man to the others.

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    John Kasich is totally eating JEB?’s lunch in this debate. He’s doing a much better job of sounding like the reasonable grownup conservative. JEB can’t get anything out right – total fail on his part.

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    David Koch says:

    quick – someone wake Jeb! up.

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    Baud says:

    @GregB:

    The base is right.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @gene108: Walker fled the work world for government jobs at first opportunity. He has not lived it.

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    scav says:

    I think the volcano may be from April. Google News hasn’t anything more recent than that date.

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    dedc79 says:

    I’m really glad the Republican base doesn’t trust/like Kasich b/c he would be far and away the toughest candidate for the Dem nominee to face. And no less dangerous, if elected, than any of these other psychopaths.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Did Alinsky get mentioned? Is that a Bingo square?

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    JPL says:

    Christie is wondering about who is going to prosecute Hillary???? hahahahahahahha

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    @gene108: The other day Snooze Hour had a tubby kid in a suit
    from the Enterprise Institute who also against raising minimum wage. He wanted some tax cut in instead. I think his name was Michael Strain and he was straining my credulity.

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    median says:

    @gene108: So is Scott Walker advocating for free college education? How is it that people are going to “get the skills they need”? I feel like I must have missed something since I just tuned in.

    Also, too, Scott Walker is stringing sentences together.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Helen: We would have paid off the debt and have an actual surplus. That was based on the declining deficits and increasing yearly surpluses.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Elizabelle:

    I’m still wondering why Tapper hasn’t asked a single question relate to a natural disaster somewhere else in the world. The Chilean earthquake would seem to present a natural opportunity.

    But I guess in order to bring a, you know, actual breaking news event into the conversation, you would have to be an actual, you know, news person. And it’s been a long time since anyone accused Jake Tapper of being an actual news person.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @David Koch: Narcoleptic

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    Suzanne says:

    I think Ted Cruz is the one I hate the most. That is saying something.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @dedc79: It’s a long election season. Could still happen. Unfortunately.

    I’m bored and turned away. Now back: it’s a Reagan and immigration ad, soft.

    If us junkies are bored, do you think the average American is going to watch all 3 hours?

    This probably thrills the Fox News set, because it’s that unhinged, but it’s just …. booooring, otherwise. No actual reference points to hang on to.

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    JPL says:

    Right to Rise is not going to be happy…
    In the first two hours, Jeb executed what seemed like pre-approved talking points worked out in debate prep. He seemed hesitant and, when he demanded an apology to his wife from Trump, couldn’t get it. There will be real questions from political observers after tonight about the path ahead.

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    MomSense says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I don’t even recognize the world they are discussing. Here’s my question. Do they believe the things they are saying or are they just lying and manipulating likely Republican voters?

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    scav says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Um, introducing reality and natural events simultaneously might really really really not be a topic they want to introduce into the arena. Too close to science.

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    Mandalay says:

    Christie is acting exactly like the bore everyone avoids, who is always hunched over his glass, drinking alone at the end of the bar every night.

    Just an angry, whining windbag with absolutely nothing to offer.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Capri:

    You know, I loves me some Rachel, but let’s face it, the words “Rachel” and “restraint” are rarely to be found in the same sentence.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Rubio looks about nine years old.

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    Morzer says:

    @JPL:

    The bush of liberty is haltered by the mud of laughers.

    As Thomas Jefferson would have said.

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    David Koch says:

    Rubio is like the know-it-all kid in the back of the 3rd grade who won’t stop raising his hand.

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    median says:

    Listening to Donald Trump makes me long for Howard Stern to moderate a debate.

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    dedc79 says:

    @Elizabelle:

    If us junkies are bored, do you think the average American is going to watch all 3 hours?

    The fact that an apparently significant segment of the population takes any of these candidates seriously makes me question my ability to judge what the average American will or will not do.

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    GregB says:

    Rubio/Netanyahu!

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    NotMax says:

    @David Koch

    According to Jeb lapdog correspondent, RtR, it’s all part of a cunning plan.

    Like Baldrick in Blackadder but devoid of turnips, apparently.

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    gene108 says:

    Rubio comes off like a pissy paranoid poosssy…we’re going to get ISIS Holocausted unless we get Rubio in office…

    No one likes a scaredy cat Rubio…

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Fuck, Marco tells me that North Korea has a missile that could hit the Reagan Library. That’s too close for comfort. And I thought that being in Seoul was risky.

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    MomSense says:

    @Baud:

    Answered like a true candidate for president.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @JPL: Christie’s a republican so you know its projection.just based on that.

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    Why is national security so important to these people? Don’t we all have GUNZ? We don’t need government to defend us

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    Helen says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Ok now I get it. The OMB said that if Bush did nothing and just left taxes and spending alone, within 10 years, by 2010, we would have had a $5 trillion surplus.

    But that’s not exactly “when I left the feds we had a $5 trillion surplus” I guess he’s going for ‘but it coulda happened.”

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    Mandalay says:

    Give credit where it’s due: Kasich actually answered a question without mentioning that he flew in Air Force One with Reagan thirty years ago.

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    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Those of us in Seoul thank you for reminding us. Now, why don’t you just give us all a paper cut and pour lemonjuice on it?

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    Origuy says:

    @Keith G:

    Now Chile has an exploding volcano.

    I think that page is a few months old. It says that Calbuco is erupting for the first time in decades. It erupted in April of this year for the first time since 1972.

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    RK says:

    Trump is a businessman so he doesn’t have to know foreign policy while running for president. lol

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Fuck, Marco tells me that North Korea has a missile that could hit the Reagan Library

    We are supposed to be opposed to this, correct?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @NotMax:

    Like Baldrick in Blackadder but devoid of turnips, apparently.

    Not completely devoid of turnips, Walker and Huck are onstage, no?

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    Morzer says:

    @Helen:

    Eh, five trillion here, five trillion there…

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    Botsplainer says:

    @MomSense:

    Thanks for helping last night, BTW. As the therapist said in first session today, “oh, she’s a narcissist.”

    The only advice she could really give was “form outside interests and start living your own life again, quit trying to always make her happy, and let there be mystery about some things you do. Quit being addicted to the draw she presents.”

    She didn’t sound hopeful.

    I went to the grocery, came home, got no help with bringing in groceries or meal prep and got whines from the couch on me needing to interrupt work for a predinner drink for her. When I refused to plate food and carry it to the couch (a minor step), I got a bunch of sulking about me being an asshole and ruining the fun of dinner.

    She’s been sulking in bed since 9. I’m thinking I’m close to done. Maybe the cervix-hammering, younger Australian dude whose name she won’t share can take her in. I’m sure he’ll take care of the stuff I do on a routine basis.

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    David Koch says:

    An IT tech needs to rebuild Jeb!’s hard drive. He’s still running on Windows XP

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    dmsilev says:

    @NotMax: If it helps, Jeb evidently has all the charisma of a turnip.

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    Lol Bush “we need to rebuild our intelligence capability”

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    Waldo says:

    Holy shit is bush a mess.

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    gene108 says:

    Hewitt asked a real good question to Bush about how he’s different than his brother or pa…

    John has loser stink…and the media smells it and wants to chew him up about it…

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: You heathen, you save the lemon juice for soju.

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    Morzer says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Sorry it ain’t going so well. I think you would do yourself a favor by moving away from her at a prudent and deliberate velocity.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: I’m 35 miles from the Reagan Library.

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    Morzer says:

    @David Koch:

    Jeb! is the Clippy of this debate.

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    Baud says:

    I think I hate Jeb because he really makes me appreciate W. as a politician.

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    Right to Rise says:

    Jeb: Peace through strength. A foreign policy like Reagan, like the 1980s, not “leading from behind”.

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    Waldo says:

    W. kept us safe! wtf?!

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    Peale says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: and he is going to change that how? Poking them in the eye?

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    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Of course I am a heathen! I am one of those Kim Davis repressing heathen liberals.

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    I bet Trump was considering telling Jeb! that GWB didn’t keep us safe. You know he was thinking it

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    You are too valuable to lose.

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    David Koch says:

    He kept us safe — except for 9/11, except for Iraq. Details. Details.

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    Keith G says:

    @Origuy:@scav: You are right. That pic matched news photos from April in Chile. Twitter was wrong. OMG!

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    median says:

    @Waldo: Don’t you remember the rubble?

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    Right to Rise says:

    Jeb: W. kept us safe and strong.

    Deathblow for Trump.

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    Morzer says:

    @Right to Rise:

    So you want to invade Grenada while suffering from Alzheimers?

    Truly, an impressive foreign policy for the 21st century.

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    dedc79 says:

    @David Koch: Yeah. I can’t believe he said that. I can’t believe it was an applause line. I can’t believe everyone else let it go. Oh wait, of course I can believe all these things.

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    jl says:

    Oh boy, tuned back into debate in time to hear the Jeb? get the executive branch legacy question.

    So, Jeb? is his ‘own man’ but of course, of course its a horse a horse, he’ll uses the Bush I and II foreign policy teams.
    In other words, Jeb? has no new people on his team? Just the crooked loser Bush II.

    And Trump plays his anti-Iraq ‘vote’.

    Edit: Jeb? Iraq splat 2!

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    GregB says:

    My brother standing in the rubble of the worst terrorist attack in America ever that happened while he was President was keeping us safe.

    Fuck.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Baud: That’s what I told the mrs, scary thought shrub is the smart one.

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    Botsplainer says:

    Blearily refocusing for a moment on !JEB.

    SOFA agreement done by your bro, man.

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    JEB! is drowning. OMG I almost feel bad

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    Right to Rise says:

    The firefighter. Arm around the shoulder. The ruble.

    Do you remember? After 9/11, do you remember? We thought other attacks were coming.

    They never did.

    That’s peace through strength.

    That’s Bush.

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    Morzer says:

    @Right to Rise:

    W. kept us safe and strong

    Sure, what’s a botched invasion, a major terrorist attack and a collapsed economy between friends?

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    Waldo says:

    @David Koch: Can’t believe Trump didn’t knock that one out of the park.

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    tazj says:

    @gene108: I love how Rubio complained that nothing was being done to help families living paycheck to paycheck. Hello, your party controls the legislature and does nothing but take votes defunding Obamacare and Planned Parenthood.

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    Baud says:

    No Republican knows what the word “existential” means.

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    Is Trump OK? he’s been leaning hard on that podium

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Jeb: W. kept us safe and strong.

    Except for the little problem on 9/11.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Botsplainer: Wow. That’s surely sounds like hell. And an illustration of the therapist’s description.

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    Right to Rise says:

    Jeb just turned weakness into strength with the 9/11 reference.

    Beautiful.

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    Patrick says:

    @Baud:

    I don’t like politicians like Jeb that believes in BIG government. Kind of like the way Jeb did in telling the Schiavo’s that government knew better than Terri Schiavo in how she should die.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @GregB: I actually yelled at the TV screen when he said that. “Where did the rubble come from, motherfucker?!?!?”

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    Right to Rise says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Trump whiffed, didn’t he? Lol.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Morzer:

    Probably should have stuck with that awesome apartment I had deposited in February.

    I got suckered.

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    Baud says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Definitely his best moment. Congratulations!

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    Too bad, too sad Trump didn’t take that tact eh?

    Instead all people remember will be the prolonged and stormy applause, and the warm nostalgic reference to the leadership displayed by GWB in the Autumn of 2001, comforting a nation in need.

    Suck it, Trump.

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    David Koch says:

    He kept us safe

    Ask New Orleans about that.

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    Renie says:

    I can’t believe Jeb just said his brother kept us safe. Does he not recall 911 – the worst terrorist attack on American soil happened during his brother’s administration!!! And the audience applauded him when he said that.

    These people are insane.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Jeb: W. kept us safe and strong.

    As we were reminded last Friday, on 9/11. Never forget! BTW – who was our President?

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    Suzanne says:

    Bush kept us safe?!?!
    Someone actually said that?!?!
    War is peace. Good is bad. Up is down. BWAHAHAHAHAAA.

    I Should be working.

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    dww44 says:

    @mai naem mobile: On LOD show, his eminence, Chuck Todd, says Carly was the winner. Plaudits across the board for her. I truly have never trusted or believed anything that Todd has ever said. Did she win the debate?

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    Mandalay says:

    Carson: “I haven’t been to the White House in seven years. I’d probably have to have a food tester”.

    Fuck off you Uncle Tom.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Patrick:

    Again, too bad, too sad Trump didn’t take that opening.

    Trump is an amateur.

    Jeb just turned his last name from a weakness to a strength.

    Almost…Rovian…you might say!

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    jl says:

    Jen? says Dub ‘kept us safe’ and gets a huge round of applause?

    Walker uses his brave and intrepid Wisconsin anti union fight to get cred on foreign policy again.

    Lordy. This is like a really bad hallucination.

    Anyone going to call Jeb? on his BS on recent Iraq history.

    Some one should note that Jeb?’s ‘comprehensive’ foreign policy speech at the Reagan mausoleum left out a word on how he would stop Iran from getting a nuke after he ‘tore up’ the Iran agreement.

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    JPL says:

    I so wish someone would mention who got Osama… won’t happen though

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    NotMax says:

    @Right to Rise

    When you hear Chinese, stop digging.

    What a maroon.

    Ever hear of an imbroglio called Iran-Contra?

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    Right to Rise says:

    September 11, 2001…Jeb just used it, gave Trump an opening, and Trump whiffed.

    LOL!

    Shows who the real professionals in this race are.

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    JPL says:

    Carson is finished..

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    Patrick says:

    @Renie:

    And the audience applauded him when he said that.

    The audience was weird the entire night. Trump has a huge lead in the polls, yet he never received any applause. Jeb Bush, who once again had a pathetic night, received huge applause for just standing there.

    It seemed the audience was hand-picked by the establishment Republicans.

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    MomSense says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Time for you to do nice things for you. You’re a good guy and it is demoralizing to be taken for granted.
    Find some things that give you joy. You don’t even have to ask her to go with you! You can try new things and meet new people. For whatever reason, she can’t see the real you right now. It sounds like she is choosing to see you as the source of her unhappiness. Easier to blame you than face her own crap. We all do this to some extent but this sounds too unhealthy and its ok for you to take care of yourself.

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    dww44 says:

    @Capri: Chris has been my personal beacon of sanity in this regards for a few weeks. Rachel always leads with presidential politics and mostly the GOP one. It’s old.

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    jl says:

    @Right to Rise: Your mad spoof skills are coming along, DougJ. Had some misses, but also some good yucks tonight.

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    GregB says:

    The Insane Fascist Posse.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Wait, Marco says the Sini is in Libya? I haz a confused.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Shows who the real professionals in this race are.

    Who? Jeb with 5% and in 6th place?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Too bad, too sad Trump didn’t take that tact eh?

    Tack, you illiterate fuckwit.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @NotMax:

    Arm around the firefiighter in the ruble.

    Holding up the police officer’s badge in front of the Joint Session of Congress.

    “Dead or Alive”.

    A strong, but soft touch, comforting a nation in need.

    Jeb just awakened the warmest feelings this nation has about his brother.

    Game over.

    Jeb wins the debate.

    BTW, that 9/11 quip was planned, and it will be used in TV ads.

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    MomSense says:

    @efgoldman:

    VP efgoldman!

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    median says:

    @JPL: Agreed. You can’t argue for the power of intellect over the power of bombing.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Renie: He is also forgetting anthrax.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Patrick:

    Wait until the 9/11 ad.

    Arm around the firefighter. Do you remember? Lol.

    Jeb wins. It’s 2004 all over again…

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    David Koch says:

    @dww44: no. they’re trying to build her up because they love how she attacks Hillary. the one uniting principal of the Beltway media is Clinton-hate.

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    RK says:

    Walker can make tapioca look charismatic.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Jeb just turned his last name from a weakness to a strength.

    Hillary Clinton can take that quote and plaster some heart-breaking images from 9/11 in a relentless ad against Jeb Bush.

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    JPL says:

    These folk have no clue who ISIL is…

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    Botsplainer says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Shoulda heard the therapists comments on how my phone gets scoured while hers is sacrosanct.

    The story on how I got talked into and naively believed the request to make a special trip buy a drugstore pregnancy test because “your vasectomy may have been undone by the tubes growing back together” makes me feel truly fucking naive; I thought I detected the look of “are you an idiot” from the therapist.

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    Marc says:

    Yup, because what America wants is Iraq War 2, Electric Boogaloo.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Patrick:

    She’ll be portrayed as a heartless, calculating bitch exploiting a national tragedy if she does that.

    Know how this business works, son. Know the rules.

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    @Right to Rise: We also remember Katrina and Mission Accomplished.

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    NotMax says:

    @Right to Rise

    In a pig’s eye.

    Loosen the straps on those rose-colored glasses, they’re obviously seriously constricting blood flow to the brain..

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Right to Rise: Wait until the ad that reminds folk who was President on 9/11/2001.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Middle America swing voters give fuck-all about the Ninth Ward.

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    JPL says:

    haha.. Kasich is now talking about nothing or something.. I can’t figure out which.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    The other point – and on this I agree with my colleague – is whether or not Trump is doing well or not, Jeb Bush is not doing well. He seems weak and unfocused. He asked Donald Trump to apologize to his wife. Trump said no. Jeb is weak. I don’t see him ever breaking out of this cycle of weakness and defeat. So if it’s not Trump and I still can’t really imagine it can be, who?

    From talkingpointsmemo.com

    They know a tad more about politics, polls than you do…

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    JPL says:

    Now Carly is giving her views with exact numbers but refusing to shut up.

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    @Botsplainer: I must have missed something. What happened? You don’t sound good. Take care of yourself.

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    MomSense says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Arm around the firefiighter in the ruble.

    What does Russian currency have to do with it?

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    Baud says:

    @JPL:

    I don’t think he’s doing as well as last time.

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    jl says:

    @Patrick: I didn’t hear that Jeb? was willing or able to make a reply after several GOPers tore up his crooked incompetent bother’s crooked and incompetent Iraq invasion. After Jeb? basically said ‘of course’ he uses his Bush familiy’s legacy foreign policy team.

    I would not know what to with that kind of victory.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Botsplainer: Any more cool apartments in the Peoples’ Islamic Socialist Republic of Louisville? Sounds like it’s time for serious shopping.

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    GregB says:

    Nice to see Rand Paul kick the Saudi government in the teeth. Said it out loud.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Patrick: uhm, get with the GOP.program :Clinton was president up till 9/11 and Obama was president during Katrina and the financial crash.

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    Renie says:

    @Right to Rise: Bush didn’t keep us safe. I really get pissed off when you conservatives conveniently forget 911 HAPPENED ON BUSH’S WATCH!!!! I lost friends and neighbors on 911 so don’t shoot off your b.s here.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl:

    I would not know what to with that kind of victory.

    Call it Pyrrhic.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    @Right to Rise: Always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    She’ll be portrayed as a heartless, calculating bitch exploiting a national tragedy if she does that.

    You sound worse than Donald Trump in talking about women…I can see why your candidate Jeb Bush is having such problems in the polls.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Renie:

    Swing voters in Ohio remember the heartwarming images of the arm around the firefighter and the bullhorn.

    And that’s what matters. Not what you think.

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    Mandalay says:

    @JPL:

    Kasich is now talking about nothing or something.. I can’t figure out which.

    I had thought he might actually present a threat to Democrats if he got the nomination. Not any more.

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    Keith G says:

    John Roberts….your boys are sticking in the shiv.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Patrick:

    “Bitch” was one of the top words that came to mind in swing voter focus groups (of BOTH genders) when the name “Hillary Clinton” was mentioned.

    Learn the rules.

    Learn…the….rules.

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    Mary G says:

    Jeb is really politically tone-deaf. Saying Roberts is a good Supreme Court judge will really tick off the base.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @David Koch: Lawrence O’Donnell’s guests are gushing about how great Fiorina is performing. They seem to believe she’s winning. Not watching but interesting to see how the media is pushing Fiorina.

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    Waldo says:

    @RK: Heh — I keep mistaking the Walker segments for local commercial breaks.

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    Chris says:

    “And you know, we’re frustrated as conservatives because we keep winning elections, and then not getting the results we want.” /Ted Cruz

    Well said, Teddy.

    Now follow that thought.

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    NotMax says:

    @Right to Rise

    Jeb just awakened the warmest feelings this nation has about his brother.

    The warmest feelings are white-hot loathing and contempt.

    And for future reference, ruble is the currency of Russia.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Link please. And no, it can’t be FoxNews or any other Republican news site.

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    MomSense says:

    Blob of tissue.

    Please to make rotating tag line.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @NotMax:

    I don’t give a shit about typos.

    Jeb just won the debate.

    Won, and won big.

    Trump is over.

    Arm around the firefighter…the rubble…the bullhorn….solemnly promising “dead or alive”….leadership in a time of crisis.

    Feelings, images, and impressions matter more than facts for swing voters.

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    JPL says:

    Now Huck is up.. I don’t know why cuz he might not even get a Fox news position at this point …

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    gene108 says:

    Cruz is a scary fucking True Believer. The way he tore into Roberts, fuck…he truly believes what the Fundies do…

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    Patrick says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Strange to me. She would be perhaps the easiest one (other than Jeb Bush) for Clinton to run against considering her disaster tenure with HP.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    OT: Did Belmondo smoke giant cigarettes in his films or is his head really tiny?

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    Full metal Wingnut says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: he looks young, but my favorite part is his constant deer in headlights look.

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: He rolled them pretty loose.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    @Botsplainer: You really need to see a family lawyer, start protecting assets,continue with the therapy and cut her loose. She sounds like my crazy SIL who I wish would become my ex-SIL for all the crap shes put my brother,niece.and entire extended family through.

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    median says:

    Nice to hear the 14th amendment mentioned in a positive light. Thanks, Huck.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @efgoldman:

    Nobody of any importance gives a flying shit about the Lower Ninth Ward. Bush’s approval rating dropped after Katrina due to gas prices rising, not because of Michael Brown.

    And nobody blames Bush for 9/11.

    The outcome of Iraq can easily be blamed on Obama with enough ad money.

    Stop confusing Ohio and Florida undecideds and swing voters with the Democrat base.

    Suck…on….that.

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    Baud says:

    @Right to Rise:

    I hope you’re right.

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    dmsilev says:

    @efgoldman: RtR has successfully predicted eight out of the last none Trump collapses.

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    Mandalay says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    They seem to believe she’s winning.

    I do as well, though TBF most of the others are completely mediocre.

    She more than held her own against Trump, knows her shit as well as any of them, and mostly looks presidential. The only thing is that every now and again she starts getting carried away, and I’m waiting for her to cry or throw something. She just needs to calm down a bit.

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    JPL says:

    @efgoldman: If he/she is getting paid by Bush, it just shows how incompetent Jeb is.

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    MomSense says:

    @efgoldman:

    If it’s not DougJ and the Jeb! campaign thinks the way to influence thought leaders is by posting nonsense here–his campaign is seriously doomed.

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    For those who care about such things Cruz’ comprehensively demolished the whole Bush family on conservative SCOTUS nominations; ouch.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Suzanne:

    I think Ted Cruz is the one I hate the most. That is saying something.

    He is absolutely the worst of the lot – willing to say anything, ramp up The Fear to 11, flat out lie, and more – all in the service of Cruz.

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    jl says:

    Is RtR saying that Jeb? will have to rely on copying his brother’s 911 first responder political ads to get out of the problem created by his brother’s disastrous foreign policy decisions?

    Edit: Well, RtR ‘knows the rules’ so I guess that will work.

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    RK says:

    Ted Cruz wants to bring back the rack for Supreme Court nominees.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    And nobody blames Bush for 9/11. The outcome of Iraq can easily be blamed on Obama with enough ad money.

    Not sure why I am bothering but…Couldn’t enough ad money easily blame Bush for 9/11? By the way, what color is the sky in your world?

    Still haven’t seen a link from your so called focus group…

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    Right to Rise says:

    @jl:

    Pretty much.

    And it’s going to work beautifully.

    Did you hear the applause? Biggest of the night. And Trump was flabbergasted.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Right to Rise:

    And nobody blames Bush for 9/11.

    “The buck stops here”.

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    Morzer says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Arm around the firefighter.

    Dick Cheney’s hand up his ass…..

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    JPL says:

    @Right to Rise: I remember that too. I also remember when Jeb’s brother got Osama.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @Patrick:

    Nope.

    Hillary attacking Jeb for 9/11 would be a cold, calculating, exploitation of a tragedy very typical of a Clinton.

    Jeb Bush referencing the same would be merely a warm, passionate, “high-energy” defense of his brother’s legacy.

    Learn the rules, bitches.

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    Baud says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That rule only applies to Democrats.

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    Tissue Thin Pseudonym says:

    @Mandalay:

    Christie is acting exactly like the bore everyone avoids, who is always hunched over his glass, drinking alone at the end of the bar every night.

    Just an angry, whining windbag with absolutely nothing to offer.

    Now that you mention it, he DOES remind me of Corner Stone.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Patrick:

    It seemed the audience was hand-picked by the establishment Republicans.

    I could swear I heard something to that effect by the commentators in the interim between the kids’ table debate and the main event.

    Turns out to have been quite prophetic.

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    NotMax says:

    @Right to Rise

    I don’t give a shit about typos.

    We don’t give a shit about your hot Jeb fantasies.

    Such a sad, sad clueless one-trick pony.

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    Waldo says:

    Jeb could have used a toke before he took the stage.

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    Mike J says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: She’s got a Princess Leia hairdo.

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    So you got nothing, eh. Are you sure you are not Baghdad Bob?

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    Morzer says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Oh DougJ, sometimes you just try too hard, you big, grumpy, lovable hunk of man-flesh, you!

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    Kay says:

    Can these guys talk about anything other than their desire to go to war?

    It’s Bernie Sanders, from the Debate with Bernie series :)

    I cannot read him without hearing how he talks.

    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders

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    Mandalay says:

    Christie says invading Iraq was the right thing to do.

    Carson wants an indexed link minimum wage.

    Jeb! admits to smoking pot forty years ago.

    They’re all hellbent on not getting the nomination.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Mike J: C’est vrai.

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    Renie says:

    @Right to Rise: It was a smoldering pile in NEW YORK CITY not Ohio a$$hole! And the jerk told us to go shopping. You are obviously some 16 year old who knows nothing of history just trying to earn pennies as a JEB troll.

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    Morzer says:

    @jl:

    Yeah, DougJ’s weakness is the syntax. It’s always a little bit too sophisticated.

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    Cacti says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Nope.

    Hillary attacking Jeb for 9/11 would be a cold, calculating, exploitation of a tragedy very typical of a Clinton.

    Jeb Bush referencing the same would be merely defending his family’s legacy.

    Learn the rules, bitches.

    So, when will Jeb start being seen in public with his bro?

    For some reason, he hasn’t wanted him around so far.

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    median says:

    Rand Paul has a lovely, casual, “Fuck all you fascists,”
    attitude about him.

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    Keith G says:

    These idiots are fighting like toothless, epileptic pit bulls to see who can win the temporary love of less that 1/4 of US voters, while clearly saying things that eviscerate their legitimacy to over 1/2 of the voters.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    May even be something in that building, but the dog is 5 pounds over at the moment, and looks even bigger. It’s an issue.

    She’ll be gone far, far away for about a month starting second week of October. I’m going diving by myself in Mexico the third week of October.

    When I come back, I can make hard decisions and have some room to breathe. If she can’t see that taking me for granted is fucked up, I shouldn’t have to draw a flowchart.

    Honest to the Goddess, as I said today, I’m not torqued about the sex. She’s a gorgeous, accomplished woman who oozes appeal, accomplished men are gonna flock and she’s away 2.5 to 3 months a year, 2-3 weeks a time, mostly in Australia. What pisses me off is being treated like an afterthought on the best day, like shit in general. She doesn’t get to have everything her way while treating me as a whipping boy.

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    Mike in NC says:

    JEB! failed to phone it in tonight. What’s the Spanish word for LOSER? He’s now polling behind Christie. That is amazing.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Right to Rise:

    GOPers lost Ohio and Florida in 2008 and 2012. Stop confusing your swing voters with the GOP base.

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    Patrick says:

    @Jeffro:

    I could swear I heard something to that effect by the commentators in the interim between the kids’ table debate and the main event. Turns out to have been quite prophetic.

    It seemed they overdid it with their applause for the establishment and their utter silence for the non-establishment. It can cause a backlash among voters who are watching on TV. It will be interesting to see what the polls say in the next day or two.

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    Marc says:

    @Morzer: He needs more typos and more caps lock. Even the master of trolling can use some pointers.

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    beltane says:

    @Renie: On some level, conservatives know perfectly well that Bush stood by passively as this country was being raped by OBL. Instead of confronting their feelings of shame and vulnerability in an honest manner, they have fetishized 9/11 as being the Great Patrotic Holy Day while chanting the mantra “Bush kept us safe.” Bush did not keep us safe. Bush allowed the US to be violently penetrated by foreign terrorists. If conservatives truly felt that Bush kept them safe, they would not have reacted to 9/11 by becoming the cowering pants-pissers they are today.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Jeffro: Btw not that it matters much, but in an earlier thread I said Rubio would get softballs and be praised by the pundits, with Fiorina only slightly less so. Ahem. So I had it backwards, but I still got the correct 2 out of 11.

    Also, there should be a few “Christie’s BACK!” articles tomorrow. It won’t mean anything, I’m just sayin’…

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    Mandalay says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Rubio looks about nine years old.

    He’s grown since the last debate then.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Renie: If you must engage with the troll, try to do so in a spirit of mockery or derision. Don’t let it get to you.

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    patroclus says:

    I’m thinking Rand Paul is winning this debate. He seems like the only adult in the room.

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    @Renie:
    Bush didn’t even keep us safe after 9/11. There were more terrorist attacks on US soil.

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    @Keith G: My kind of entertainment.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    Irony of irony, guess who is a superbly competent family lawyer who has a blind spot to his own shit.,,.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Jeffro: I am watching on my DVR, so I am a bit behind all y’all. I am trying to decide who makes me puke the least.

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    Haydnseek says:

    @Right to Rise: Are you paid in shiny new pennies or small, one gram bindles of Cheeto dust?

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    Jeffro says:

    @Patrick: I don’t think anti-establishment sentiment can get much higher in the GOP – they’re pushing 60-65% as it is. If anything, some of the Trump support may shift a bit to Carson or Fiorina but I doubt it. Should be a wash between Carson and Trump, anyway. More likely, the remaining Walker and Christie voters might shift to Fiorina (plus some of Bush’s voters) and show a bump in her support at their expense.

    It’s fitting that Huck and Paul were over on the same side next to each other, looking pretty bored and spouting unimportant platitudes for most of the debate. Grifters gotta grift, after all.

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    jl says:

    @Cacti: Well, Jeb? is his own man, but of course he will use the Bush famiiy legacy foreign policy team, and he’ll hide behind his brother for sympathy if anyone attacks the horrible decision to invade Iraq of his negligence before the 911 attack.

    I guess it might work.

    Turning off the sound again. Too damn much dishonesty and insanity this debate.

    Tapper should have been yanked from the stage after the first half hour.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Oh Lord, now they are talking about THE DEMON WEED!

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    beltane says:

    @Keith G:

    These idiots are fighting like toothless, epileptic pit bulls

    Those words also describe the Republican base, a group of people who resemble “sharp-shy” dogs in their combined traits of fear and viciousness.

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    Cacti says:

    @beltane:

    On some level, conservatives know perfectly well that Bush stood by passively as this country was being raped by OBL. Instead of confronting their feelings of shame and vulnerability in an honest manner, they have fetishized 9/11 as being the Great Patrotic Holy Day while chanting the mantra “Bush kept us safe.” Bush did not keep us safe. Bush allowed the US to be violently penetrated by foreign terrorists. If conservatives truly felt that Bush kept them safe, they would not have reacted to 9/11 by becoming the cowering pants-pissers they are today.

    Between 9/11 and Katrina, about 5,000 innocent people died.

    Dubya failed miserably at keeping us safe. The right wing fall back of “Bush kept us safe” is an attempt to shout down their own cognitive dissonance.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Right to Rise: Trump’s numbers are going to close on 50%, while JEB! goes to Kennebunkport to breast feed.

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    Jeffro says:

    @Suzanne: That really ought to be Kaisch, the moderate Democrat. YMMV.

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    Debbie says:

    @efgoldman:

    Your numbers should include the almost 1.5 million Iraquis who have had nothing to do with 9/11.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Anoniminous: It’s still happening?

    @Mike in NC: FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK! I now have a mental image in my head that all the booze in the house won’t erase.

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    Botsplainer says:

    Blearily refocusing, did Rubio learn to speak by a tent revival speaker?

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    MomSense says:

    @Suzanne:

    Cruz is by far the creepiest, but Huckabee isn’t far behind. I wouldn’t let either of them dog sit.

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    @Botsplainer:

    You may not read down this far, but ever since I figured out WTF is wrong with my nieces’ mother (flaming NPD), I’ve been reading this Reddit board:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/

    Most of the people who post are the children of toxic narcissists or people with other cluster B disorders (like borderline personality) but the sidebar has a lot of great resources about dealing with narcissists. Unfortunately, the prognosis is not good if it’s NPD, because you’re dealing with a person who is literally unable to be self-critical. You’d be better off if she had BPD (borderline personality). Good luck.

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    Debbie says:

    @Debbie:

    Dammit. 1.5 million dead Iraquis.

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    RK says:

    Ted Cruz is a clumsy politician. Rubio is the best packaged, at least in these small bursts.

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    Brandon says:

    So…. since Fiorina shared her annectdote about a drug addicted step-daughter, when is Jeb! going to discuss his daughters substance abuse problems? I would guess never.

    And why is Bob Dole the last Republicans candidate the did not have an obviously whacked out family?

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    hilts says:

    @Chris:

    “the moderators are just BLATANT about trying to start fights.”

    Jake Tapper should be arrested for impersonating a journalist. He has set a new low for presidential debate moderators. Instead of wasting time asking questions, he should have just jumped on top of the table at the beginning of the debate and screamed FOOD FIGHT!

    .

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @Right to Rise: JEB??? Who?

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    dww44 says:

    @Morzer: I’ve never believed that surgeons had any claim on personal exceptionalism beyond the narrow parameters of their technical skills Carson shows me nothing,yet I’ve seen his sticker on the big white diesel pick-up trucks driven by white guys of a certain age who inhabit these parts. I’m somewhat amused, but mostly befuddled.

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    Keith G says:

    A left wing government that is undermining family values

    The misappropriated ol’ cliches just keep on coming.

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    Right to Rise says:

    Loving the George W. hate-orgy going on here.

    Brings back the good ole’ days of impotent liberal rage.

    And they’ll soon start again.

    Happy Days are Here Again…

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    Anoniminous says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Yes.

    And I want a goddamn medal and a pension for continuing to listen to this shyte.

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    Kay says:

    When Sen. Rubio came by the set, he discreetly drew a cross on the tape behind his podium

    Very discreetly. Which is why Jake Tapper is tweeting it. Was the tape on the floor? So did he have to get down on the floor to draw it?

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    @Debbie:
    While their deaths are both tragedies and crimes belong on George Bush’s doorstep, they don’t count in the ‘kept us safe’ equation.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    I guess Marco thinks everyone in CA is a billionaire, (looks at bank balance), eh no Marco.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Jeffro: I have definitely been leaning toward Kasich as the least bad. But I did think Paul had a moment I appreciated, when he pointed out that both Bashar al-Assad and ISIS are bad and that we shouldn’t help either of them.

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    JPL says:

    This is the problem with dealing with climate change.. Don’t destroy our economy but they don’t mention the future of our country..

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    Misterpuff says:

    George Schultz is a dirty fucking hippie/ Chris Christie

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Botsplainer: Dude. Shut the fuck up on this public forum. You aren’t anon.
    And don’t wait another stupid fucking day. It’s going to end. It’s up to you to make sure it doesn’t end in a brutal fashion – for you.
    Stop coddling her and stop motherfucking mollycoddling yourself. You fucking baby.
    Get representation ASAP and shut your stupid fucking mouth.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @Right to Rise: The ruble? Putin joke? Honestly, DougJ. Now would be a good time to go fuck yourself with this pointless trolling.

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    NotMax says:

    @Right to Rise

    Um, that was FDR’s campaign song.

    Try harder, schmendrick.

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    Anoniminous says:

    And Rubio just killed any remaining chance by not screaming against the DFH Climate Change Conspiracy.

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    Morzer says:

    Rubio denies being a climate skeptic. He says he’s just a skeptic of “the changes the left wants us to make.”

    That’s the weak tea Rubio we all remember.

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    Brandon says:

    It shocks me that Florida politicians have their heads both in the sand and up their arses on climate change. Yet I am curious how much federal dollars are currently used for beach erosion, etc. in Florida. Deny the problem, prevent appropriate policy responses yet first at the trough.

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    beltane says:

    @NotMax: Conservatives always steal other people’s songs. Their own songs tend to suck.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @scav:

    Oh yeah, silly me. Whatever could I have been thinking?

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    MomSense says:

    @Mike in NC:

    I’m probably the only commenter here who has done a lot of breastfeeding in Kennebunkport–but no Bushes. Nope. Not a one.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):

    Thank you. What the therapist told me today was resigned as opposed to curative. It was to create circumstances where I can go forward without, and that is what hurts.

    Hard part is that she occasionally pulls back and I think we’re moving in a great direction. As a consequence, I impale myself routinely, and have attenuated my personal acquaintance and friend networks, to my detriment.

    This is toxic.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Botsplainer: @Corner Stone: CS is right. Get counsel. Do what your counsel says and keep quiet in any fora that could be traced back to you. Trade online war stories after everything is resolved.

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    Irony Abounds says:

    The fact that one of these utter assholes could become President, and it isn’t that remote a possibility, is so depressing, and such a black mark against America, that the next time I hear someone talk about American Exceptionalism I may punch him or her.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @Botsplainer: “your vasectomy may have been undone by the tubes growing back together”

    I don’t mean to be rude, but you believed that? You’d have a greater chance of winning the $200M PowerBall than having that happen. Urologists are really careful about that sort of thing.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Botsplainer: I’m not certain Rubio technically learned to speak. Certainly not without sweating profusely and/or hydrating frequently.

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    Renie says:

    @beltane: Thanks for posting that. Being personally affected just makes my skin crawl when people say such b.s.

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    Mandalay says:

    All of them: “We are not going to do a single fucking thing about climate change!”

    They’re fighting each other to jump into the wood chipper.

    Clinton must be picking the new drapes and wallpaper right now.

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    mai naem mobile says:

    These people are crazy. Maybe Bill Clinton conspired with Trumpy to diss.vaccines so that teabaggers’ kids would be more likely to be killed off like a Darwinian situation.

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    JPL says:

    Holy crap.. they are talking about vaccines. Now Huck is giving his opinion..
    What century is this?

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    chopper says:

    @NotMax:

    actually it appears to be *all* turnips.

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    Tripod says:

    @Patrick:

    Yep… it would be down right Rovian to clobber him with 9/11.

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    dedc79 says:

    This just got serious. There are people watching this debate who are going to refuse to vaccinate their kids as a result, putting those kids and everyone else at risk.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Dr. Trump needs to go back to medical school.

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    joel hanes says:

    @David Koch:

    [W] kept us safe — except for 9/11, except for Iraq

    except for the Beltway sniper

    except for anthrax in the mail

    except for Katrina

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    Ripley says:

    In the ruble. Arm around the firefighter.

    Flag on the moon. How did it get there?

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    JPL says:

    @Anoniminous: Not only trump…

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    Renie says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Thanks. As I said in another post, 911 affected me personally so I do get unhinged hearing about how Bush kept us safe.

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    Anoniminous says:

    Next up ….

    ZOMBIE REAGAN!

    I can hardly wait

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    Irony Abounds says:

    Also. Too. I know it’s sexist, I know it makes me a bad person, and I know it means I’m agreeing with the Donald, but I really can’t stand looking at Carly Fiorna’s face. There is just something wrong with that face.

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    Mary G says:

    Rosa Parks is rolling over in her grave that these fucks are using her name.

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    oldgold says:

    CNN ought to hire Jerry Springer to host their debates.The original is always a better chance than an imitation.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @JPL:

    I’ll give Carson credit for injecting a badly needed dose of reality.

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    Morzer says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Oh man, that really is bad. Time to cut losses and move forward to a better life without the gangrened limb. You can have so many great years enjoying your life. Don’t stick around for a decade of misery. Move out, change your phone number, email address, everything and only communicate via a lawyer. In six months time, you and Joe Biden can be cruising along Pennsylvania Avenue, getting tattoos and picking up hot babes together.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Right to Rise:

    I wish I knew how to spell the sound I just made.

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    beltane says:

    @Renie: I am also originally a NYer. As far as I’m concerned, Bush opened the door of my home to intruder and then behaved erratically after the resulting attacks. I did not feel safe again until Barack Obama’s inauguration. The people who idolize Bush as every bit as much losers as he is.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Renie: Not a problem. Sometimes trolls get under one’s skin. I’ve been helped by a reminder in the past.

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    Keith G says:

    Thatcher!

    He has been dropping acid!

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    joel hanes says:

    @Right to Rise:

    And nobody blames Bush for 9/11

    I do.

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    MomSense says:

    Jeb! is definitely taking smack. Margaret Thatcher on the $10?? One could make an argument that it would be an economical switch. The hairstyle is not that different from GW’s.

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    jl says:

    Sound on.

    Lighthearted questions?

    Sound off

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    Keith G says:

    The Mint does not do paper money, you dumb ass.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: “Ack!” or “Thbbft!” would probably work.

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    Morzer says:

    And now we know that Trump likes to cuddle up to the anti-vaxxers. Might as well get all the kooks in one car, I guess.

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    SRW1 says:

    JEB! wants to see Maggy Thatcher on the $10 bill?

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    Anoniminous says:

    Next up: what is your favorite color?

    ETA: Wrong but it was just as moronically lame.

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    beltane says:

    @SRW1: Well, he’s got Andrew Sullivan’s vote I guess.

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    Brandon says:

    @joel hanes: The sniper is a bit of a stretch. It’s like blaming all the mass shootings the last few years on Obama. Guy was nuts and had a plot to murder his ex-wife by shooting random people first. Then got enthralled with his own publicity and got caught by trying to be too clever.

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    Morzer says:

    @Keith G:

    Republicans probably think that the Mint is the foil-wrapped thing you find on your bedside table in the hotel along with the coffee-like substance.

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    Tripod says:

    Bush? 9/11? Didn’t he tell us to go shopping?

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    Irony Abounds says:

    I guess I must have been asleep when our military completely disappeared into complete dreck. When did that happen and what the hell have we been spending so much money on all these years?

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    Brandon says:

    @Keith G: Everyone knows that the Mint makes commemorative coins and plates.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Count me third on this. B should know some other quite capable counsel in the field, retain one, and listen to that counsel. Whose advice will include radio silence on the matter in public. Especially places like here. It’s what B would tell a client.

    We’ll of course offer tea and sympathy congratulations support when everything is settled. If you want a Juicer to vent to, AL can provide my email. I found criminal practice much more civilized and pleasant than domestic, FWIW.

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    Stacy says:

    Cruz “Angel for my wife because she’s my angel.” His answer to what the secret service code word should be for his wife. Gag.

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    Botsplainer says:

    I’m trying to figure out Rubio’s speech pattern. It reminds me of something, can’t peg it.

  369. 369
    Morzer says:

    Fun question number two: What should your Secret Service code name be?

    Walker: [inaudible]

    And that sums it up perfectly. Sometimes reality just does the best mic drop without even trying.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: I’ve usually found them on the pillow. There’s a building in Denver that’s called the Mint. Pretty cool happenings inside.

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    Mike J says:

    @Brandon: I thought they made those chocolates the hotel puts on your pillow.

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    JPL says:

    @joel hanes: No shit.. Right to Rise might be to young to realize that before 9/11 a lot of corporations demanded execs to fly private .

    Before Lockerbie, my ex canceled overseas flights. I’m sure it was just a coincidence.

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    Keith G says:

    @Botsplainer:

    I’m trying to figure out Rubio’s speech pattern. It reminds me of something, can’t peg it.

    Mad Cow Disease?

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    gelfling545 says:

    @Right to Rise: sort of like the GOP exploiting Benghazi. I see.

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    dedc79 says:

    And for my closing: “Reagan Israel Russia Reagan Israel Israel Reagan Russia Israel Reagan Reagan Russia God Bless America”

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    Carson thinks Reagan was logical, must of gotten out the prescription pad out for self use.

    Hey doc, those ‘free phones’ are from a Reagan era program.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @dedc79:

    And the Troops.

    Amen…

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    I found criminal practice much more civilized and pleasant than domestic, FWIW.

    Criminal practice with professional criminals is actually quite civilized. The defendants often know the rules of evidence quite well and consider time a cost of doing business. Luckily, I’ve only touched on the edges of domestic and it’s a vicious world.

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    Felonius Monk says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I wish I knew how to spell the sound I just made.

    Spell it any way you want. I just hope it didn’t leave a mark.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Learn…the….rules.

    You’re the…laughing helicopter….guy, aren’t you?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: He hasn’t faxed his credenza yet, so we can’t be sure.

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    GregB says:

    Is it true Chris Christie proposed Mrs. Butterworth on the $10.00 bill?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Close, but more snorty.

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    CaseyL says:

    I want to thank everyone who watched this, so the rest of us didn’t have to.

    The chance that any of these ignorant, corrupt, evil-minded pinheads might become President makes me sick to my stomach.

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    Haydnseek says:

    @Keith G: That’s okay. Five second rule applies to more than food.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    But the…ellipses….are a clue.

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    Morzer says:

    So we now know that Jeb is still a runt, that Walker might as well not bother to show up, that Kasich is (mostly) running in the wrong primary, and that Ted Cruz should probably marry the legendary bust of Churchill. All this and a free helping of eleven varieties of nuts.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: “Snorglehack!”?

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    Brandon says:

    Meh. Debate, schmate.

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    Mary G says:

    These closing statements are making me want to barf.

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    scav says:

    Pop Poll. Who won the race for most untethered unreality with agreesive rage-fueled shock appeal: Candidates or Network?

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    Mandalay says:

    Rubio, Jeb! and Fiorina all reciting paragraphs of swill that they have clearly memorized.

    Don’t their handlers tell them how blindingly obvious that ploy is?

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: I made a single domestic appearance and it was at the appellate level, at request of counsel. Her client was fine with it as he was an LEO who’d worked with me. It was over who paid atty fees for the first appeal and subsequent squabbling. It confirmed my peripheral experience of the nastiness of the arena. Our side prevailed on the fee issue on appeal, at least.

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    Anoniminous says:

    I did my civic duty and watched this stupid train wreck.

    JEB! didn’t do himself any favors. He won’t lose support but I doubt he gained any.

    Trump did OK. He should pick up support from the below 4% crowd as they drop out.

    Carson did OK. He should pick up & ditto.

    Kaisch, Walker, Paul, Rubio, Christie, and Huckabee are toast. I imagine they’ll stay in as long as the grift keeps flowing.

    Fiorina came across as mad crazy lady so she should get a bump from her 2.5% but not enough to do anything.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Mary G: Especially the Demon Sheep lady(starts the Colbert barfing bit).

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    Brandon says:

    When Trump promises “more of everything” you kind of have to believe him considering his track record. It’s his life’s work.

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    Beatrice says:

    I did get one thing out of this evening, I am now 99% sure the troll is a parody.

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    Keith G says:

    @Mandalay:

    Don’t their handlers tell them how blindingly obvious that ploy is?

    Well, considering the evidence that has been placed before us…either the message is not being given or it is falling on infertile soil.

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    Mandalay says:

    Kasich deserves a special mention for telling the biggest lie of the evening: “America is run from the bottom up”.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Normally, I’m better than this. I’ve sobered a little and am humiliated to realize I just broke about a dozen of my own sacrosanct rules.

    What’s worse is that it took CS to point it out. I’ll never live it down.

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    Suzanne says:

    @Botsplainer: I celebrated my divorce by going out and getting laid. May I suggest that.

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    MomSense says:

    @Mary G:

    See my comment above. I don’t even know how to evaluate the debate.

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    jl says:

    @scav: CNN Tapper, and the whole moderating team’s approach to the debate was horrible. As I asked before, why was not Tapper pulled off the air a half hour in?

    I just turned the sound on again. Is this train wreck still burning, or are they playing clips?

    OK, I guess it just ended. See them walking off stage now.

    Now CNN is doing postgame sideline interviews?
    Trump just said CNN did well. That is one lie that might come back to haunt him.

    Trump is gracious and merciful in victory. He knows how to sell himself.

    Anyone making a score card of how many egregious lies each one of them, including Trump, told tonight? Or is that a large cardinal problem?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): I got sent to a couple of hearings at my first firm by the one partner who did domestic work. He would tell me that I was appearing just to get a continuance that everyone was okay with. The judge would get pissed but know that I was not ready to proceed and would grant the continuance while telling me to tell the partner that he was not pleased. I left that firm fairly quickly.

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    Renie says:

    Is this the first time a thread has hit 400 posts!!!

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    Morzer says:

    @jl:

    Anyone making a score card of how many egregious lies each one of them, including Trump, told tonight?

    We’d need a couple of walls as wide as Mexico for that to be possible.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    No good deed goes unpunished.

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    jl says:

    @MomSense:

    ” I don’t even know how to evaluate the debate.”

    Some Founders quotes come to mind/

    Alexander Hamilton: “a spectacle both hilarious and disgusting”.
    James Madison: :a tragedy or a farce, or, perhaps, both”.

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    Botsplainer says:

    God, how much do these people get paid to pundit?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Botsplainer: You know what your advice would be. Go get it from someone else. Every word on the topic here pr elsewhere on the ‘net is dangerous. Let us know how it works out.

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    NotMax says:

    @Renie

    Nope. Sometimes, but rarely, even surpass the so-called Tbogg unit of 500.

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    Morzer says:

    Red State thinks Bush, Carson and Kasich lost, while Carly, Christie and Rubio won, although none of them won big enough to make any difference. Walker, Cruz, Paul and Huckabee are listed as “Also present”. Trump is “Impossible to quantify”, which seems like a squeak of despair.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @jl: Ben Franklin: “I think I am going to be unwell, sir.”

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    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @Renie:

    We’ve been over 600 and maybe 700 in the past. Front-pagers try to control it more now by posting new threads.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet):

    Front-pagers try to control it more now by posting new threads.

    When they take an interest.

    @Botsplainer: I went on to a federal clerkship so it worked out okay.

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    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Vespasian: “Oh dear, I think I am becoming a god.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Morzer: Rabelais: “I owe much; I have nothing; the rest I leave to the poor.”

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    Morzer says:

    John Scalzi ‏@scalzi 5h5 hours ago

    Rather than livetweet the GOP debate, I will instead livetweet about old Heckle & Jeckle cartoons I find on Youtube. https://youtu.be/zBUlwt_EIsI

    This seems like the sanest take on the recently completed proceedings.

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    Keith G says:

    I wonder if the ghost of Ronald Reagan was hovering around thinking, “What a bunch of losers. These fools don’t fucking belong in my shrine.”

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    NotMax says:

    Heh.

    Trump, being interviewed live right this minute.

    “Every poll shows me winning the debate.”

    Like what, maybe 20 minutes after it ended?

  422. 422
    Morzer says:

    @NotMax:

    The Guardian livestream has a poll showing that Carly Demon-Sheep won.

    Like maybe 20 minutes after it ended.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @NotMax:

    He knows TV and instant media communication. Be first out and you’ve set the tone of the conversation.

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    MomSense says:

    @jl: @Omnes Omnibus:

    Churchill: “He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire.”

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Keith G: If the ghost of Reagan is around there, it is more likely to be saying, “Mommy, can I have a peanut butter sandwich?”

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    NotMax says:

    @Morzer

    And we all know how much credence to grant any online poll.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Suzanne:

    going out and getting laid

    Eh, wutz dat?

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    dedc79 says:

    So when Fiorina suggested her secret service nickname should be Secretariat, was she trying to bait Trump into making another comment about her face?

  429. 429
    Morzer says:

    @NotMax:

    It had a yuuge, classy graphic. Very nice, very classic. What more could you possibly want?

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    Botsplainer says:

    So hungover. Ow, my head.

    Feels like somebody poured middle range bourbon directly on my brain.

    Plus, I heard the voice of High Hewitt.

  431. 431
    Bobby Thomson says:

    @Botsplainer: fool for a client, etc. Good luck.

  432. 432
    Morzer says:

    @dedc79:

    I think she was going for “Winner against heavy odds”. Or perhaps she forgot how to say “Proletariat”.

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    NotMax says:

    Didn’t watch, but just saw a still shot. Did CNN supply the flag pins? They’re suspiciously identical on all 11 of them.

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    Chris says:

    @CaseyL:

    I thought I might find this entertaining. Didn’t work. If they were an Illinois Nazi convention rambling helplessly at the world from their soapboxes, I might. All I can do instead is be reminded that this is what half our political spectrum has been reduced to.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    When they take an interest.

    When they haven’t been playing the debate drinkin’ game.

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    ThresherK (GPad) says:

    @Keith G: Ha. Numismatry will get you nowhere.

    (It’s supposed to be “philately” in the joke, but I wasn’t counting on the USPS getting mentioned tonite.)

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    dedc79 says:

    @Morzer: makes sense. my other thought was that i’d misheard her and she’d said “Secretary of State,” and was dropping a hint that she wants to be the one who gets sent to Russia to not listen to Putin.

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    JPL says:

    Ben Carson played a better Chance than Peter Sellers. imo

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    RaflW says:

    @Brandon:

    It shocks me that Florida politicians have their heads both in the sand and up their arses on climate change.

    So much of the FL economy is tied up in oceanfront real estate that they have to play dumb, at least long enough to cash out. But given human nature, they probably won’t cash out soon enough, so plan B will be massive gov’t bailouts. Meanwhile, denialism and/or too difficult/expensive/what about China/India?

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    Suzanne says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: That is the best short-term cure for the awful feelings that come with getting out of a shitty relationship. Puts a bit of swing back in your step like nothing else.

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @NotMax: Usually the pious wear “Republican Flag Pins”, they have an elephant on the stripes.

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    Timurid says:

    I couldn’t help but wonder how many of those people… if any… were sober.

  443. 443
    Corner Stone says:

    @Suzanne: Oh, hi. Ummm, Hi?
    Hi there.

  444. 444
    mai naem mobile says:

    @jl: I think Jake Tapper and the other CNNrs think moderating a GOP debate at this point = yelling ” Fight!Fight!Fight! Fight some more!”

  445. 445
    Deecarda says:

    Botsplainer, I haven’t commented in awhile, usually content lurking, but I just need to beg you to stop taking this woman’s shit. You are in the same emotional space you were months ago, just stop, nothing in your relationship has changed so you need to change by getting the hell out. The pain will be bad, it will take a long time to heal. Staying in this limbo will never give you the opportunity to get over her. Just sayin.

  446. 446
    Keith G says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Plus, I heard the voice of High Hewitt.

    Well, as long as you are not waking up next to him.

  447. 447
    BR says:

    All I can say is I wish Obama could run for a third term.

  448. 448
    Suzanne says:

    @Corner Stone: I am since remarried.

  449. 449
    RaflW says:

    @Morzer:

    Kasich is (mostly) running in the wrong primary

    I’ve seen variations on this fro several folks this eve. I don’t get it. He is still very conservative. It might seem like a cute throwaway line, but it is not clever and certainly not funny.

    Kasich would not be an acceptable dem or president. Period.

  450. 450
    Anoniminous says:

    Romney got 47.2% of the vote in 2012. Looking at this dumbass group and with the continual shrinking of old white bigots I’m thinking they top out at 45% in 2016.

  451. 451
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @RaflW:

    Kasich would not be an acceptable dem or president. Period.

    Agreed. He is very conservative. He just happens to not be completely loathsome.

  452. 452
    Suzanne says:

    @Deecarda: Concur. @Botsplainer: Stop taking shit. Being single is fun, once you push past the crappy feelings of a breakup. Go forth and enjoy yourself.

  453. 453
    jl says:

    @mai naem mobile:

    ” I think Jake Tapper and the other CNNrs think moderating a GOP debate at this point = yelling ” Fight!Fight!Fight! Fight some more!” ”

    It really stunk. I think they wanted to start a food fight to get lots of publicity from clips that they can claim made campaign news, and also framing questions by asking X what they thought about Y talking smack about Z was a chickenshit way of hiding (edit: that is ducking possible controversy and shirking their role as journalists.. Sad, weak, contemptible and sleazy).

    Really sad when a supposedly reputable news organization makes the Fox gang look good.

  454. 454
    Morzer says:

    @RaflW:

    Kasich is trying to run in a primary for an increasingly unhinged Republican party while using conservative Democrat stylings. Yes, his record is as corrupt, vicious and incompetent as any Republican could desire, but his presentation is completely wrong for the crowd. It’s funny in the same way that Harold Ford’s more clueless attempts to be a “moderate” were funny.

  455. 455
    Thoughtful Today says:

    “7 things to expect at tonight’s #CNNDebate.”

    # 1) CNN will sell Apple computers on their twitter feed.

    # 2) CNN will remind me why I’m glad I don’t have CNN (see # 1).

    # 3-7) See # 2.

  456. 456
    Morzer says:

    @Suzanne:

    I think Botsplainer should go forth and give serious consideration to the preliminary stages of increasing and multiplying as well.

  457. 457
  458. 458
    Morzer says:

    Coulter has apparently finally had the meltdown everyone has been predicting:

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....-jews-rant

    Ann Coulter

    @AnnCoulter

    Cruz, Huckabee Rubio all mentioned ISRAEL in their response to: “What will AMERICA look like after you are president.”

    Ann Coulter

    @AnnCoulter

    How many f—ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?

  459. 459
    Corner Stone says:

    Weird.

  460. 460
    Suzanne says:

    @Morzer: When I said, “Go forth and enjoy yourself,” that was really what I was saying.

  461. 461
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Morzer: Has anyone seen her as anything but a pathetic joke for less than 10 years?

  462. 462
    David Koch says:

    Drudge Poll

    TRUMP 58.5% (159,037 votes)

    FIORINA 15.94% (43,326 votes)

    CRUZ 5.85% (15,903 votes)

    PAUL 5.14% (13,972 votes)

    RUBIO 5.12% (13,922 votes)

    CARSON 4.46% (12,128 votes)

    JEB! 1.23% (3,345 votes) ◄ (bwhaahahhahahahahhahahahahhaah)

    CHRISTIE 1.21% (3,288 votes)

    KASICH 1.19% (3,230 votes)

    WALKER 0.79% (2,156 votes)

    HUCKABEE 0.57% (1,539 votes)

    Total Votes: 271,846

  463. 463
    Morzer says:

    @Suzanne:

    I rather suspected as much. We need to get Botsplainer some quality side-pieces to tide him over in this hour of need.

  464. 464
    divF says:

    @Morzer:

    Or perhaps she forgot how to say Proletariat”.

    “Higglety-pigglety my red hen,
    she lays eggs for gentlemen.
    But you cannot persuade her with gun or lariat
    to come across for the proletariat.”

    It sounds like I made the correct decision to watch the “Da Vinci Code” instead of going to the circus.

  465. 465
    Botsplainer says:

    @Morzer:

    Out of deference to Corner Stone, who is right (ugh – it pains me, but he is a good guy deep down, after all), I shall refrain from saying anything other than the words “that is kinda scary for me at my age, on the wrong side of middle age”.

  466. 466
    Suzanne says:

    When we just got to the question about what Secret Service name each candidate would pick, Spawn the Elder suggested “WHITE GUY”.

    LMAO.

  467. 467
    Morzer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    She’s still on the TV and hawking book-like products.

  468. 468
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    He is very conservative. He just happens to not be completely loathsomeinsane.

  469. 469
    divF says:

    @Suzanne:
    *Applause*.

  470. 470
    celticdragonchick says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Ouch. Yeah…not good.

  471. 471
    Morzer says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Think of yourself in geological time and feel younger and friskier.

  472. 472
    Suzanne says:

    @Botsplainer: There is tail for everyone, never you fear.

  473. 473
    jl says:

    @David Koch: Thanks.

    Kasich only semi-sane person who has actually done something in government that is above a gentleman’s D. And he is 9th out of 11, and among a group barely registering above zero.

    Loons leading loons in the GOP primary.

  474. 474
    Morzer says:

    @Suzanne:

    As Reagan once said:

    “It’s horning in America again!”

  475. 475
    J R in WV says:

    @Right to Rise:

    You fuck-knuckle – Bush didn’t even care about bin Laden. President Obama directed a security team that found that dead fucker, and sent the USN Seals in there to kill him deader than a fucking rock.

    Bush was warned about possible aircraft terrorism, and said “OK, you’ve covered your ass, now go away!” As far as I’m concerned, the 9/11 tragedy was as much Dub Bush’s fault as it was Bin Laden’s fault.

    And then Dub had “Prince Bandar” over to visit, and kissed him, and held hands with him walking up to the ranch house. After closing down civilian air flight, EXCEPT for allowing Saudi airliners to fly members of the bin Laden family out of the country their Papa just attacked!

    And you, RtR, are as useless as a possum.

  476. 476
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Botsplainer: Go to bed and then talk to your partner/other lawyer in the morning. Do not say anything more. My legal advice is worth what you paid for it and I am not licensed in your state. But do go to bed now.

  477. 477
    celticdragonchick says:

    @Morzer:

    I feel K-T Boundary right now and a massive bolide is about make the Chicxulub Impact Crater somewhere in my neighborhood.

  478. 478
    Suzanne says:

    @J R in WV: My Secret Service name: GERONIMO.

    Or Architect.

  479. 479
    RaflW says:

    @David Koch: I just voted for Christie, hoping that maybe jeb. can be pushed down another notch. hahahhahaaaa.

  480. 480
    Morzer says:

    @J R in WV:

    as useless as a possum

    The possum on Rand Paul’s head feels that its sacrifice for the country is insufficiently appreciated.

  481. 481
    Suzanne says:

    @Suzanne: Or Martini.

  482. 482
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Suzanne: Even for Carly? That’s brutal, worse than tRump in fact.

  483. 483
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Suzanne: I call BS.

  484. 484
    Botsplainer says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I’ve shifted locales, guzzled water, and am prone.

    It’s a little spinny.

  485. 485
    Morzer says:

    @Suzanne:

    I think Trump should have gone with KOJAK, but he probably thought Babydoc had first dibs.

  486. 486
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: I just remember, “There’s a bear in the woods…”.

  487. 487
    Morzer says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Do you need us to call a spin-doctor for you? I believe the Carville Clinic is still open.

  488. 488
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @J R in WV: That wasn’t brother Bandar, that was the King.

  489. 489
    Suzanne says:

    @Botsplainer: Go get some sleep.

  490. 490
    David Koch says:

    J. Elvis Weinstein ‏@JElvisWeinstein 3h3 hours ago

    In Iran, they call this show the “Death to America Telethon” #GOPDebate

    6 retweets 16 favorites

    J. Elvis Weinstein ‏@JElvisWeinstein 4h4 hours ago

    William Shatner is inside the plane pointing out the monsters outside. #GOPDebate

    29 retweets 46 favorites

    J. Elvis Weinstein ‏@JElvisWeinstein 2h2 hours ago

    Tonight, Trump is kind of a hybrid of Robert De Niro as Capone and Rodney Dangerfield in Caddyshack.

    16 retweets 24 favorites

    J. Elvis Weinstein ‏@JElvisWeinstein 2h2 hours ago

    Did they forget to tell Ben Carson that the Boss Hijack sketch was cut?

    2 retweets 11 favorites

    Alexandra Petri ‏@petridishes 1h1 hour ago

    Margaret Thatcher???
    I didn’t know you could give a worse answer than “mike huckabee’s wife”

    26 retweets 63 favorites

  491. 491
    srv says:

    I sleep so soundly now. Had grave doubts that we could survive this long, but this country can make it 16 more months.

    Help is on the way.

  492. 492
    David Koch says:

    Anyone watching MSNBC? Katy Tur is really hot.

  493. 493
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @David Koch: Did Huckabee know the people on currency have to be dead?

  494. 494
    Anoniminous says:

    @David Koch:

    I’m surprised by Carson. I thought he would do better. Drudge readership doesn’t overlap with his support?

    I am super surprised by JEB! Much lower than I would have guessed. The Pew Research poll nailed it: the GOP base is in no mood to support another Romney.

  495. 495
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @David Koch: Too blonde.

  496. 496
    joel hanes says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet):

    We’ve been over 600 and maybe 700 in the past

    I suspect that the record was set the night of “I am aware of all internet traditions”.

    The Sadl No! thread that inspired that hilarity went over 2000 comments, IIRC.
    It’s a damned shame they lost their archives; it was epic. Epic.

  497. 497
    Morzer says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Maybe Jeb can borrow Rafalca and add some of that Romneycred to his rallies.

  498. 498
    David Koch says:

    Jonathan Frandzone ‏@NotAllBhas 1h1 hour ago

    Margaret Thatcher is really important. Some of the best parties I’ve been to were thrown on the day she died.

    51 retweets 117 favorites

    Eric Papenfuse ‏@EricPapenfuse 1h1 hour ago

    Margaret Thatcher on the ten dollar bill might be the worst answer in the history of Presidential debates #GOPDebate

    10 retweets 18 favorites

    Nikki Glaser Verified account ‏@NikkiGlaser 1h1 hour ago

    I hope Jeb’s code name is Margaret Thatcher, too. #GOPDebate

    36 retweets 123 favorites

  499. 499
    Peale says:

    @Morzer: LOL. Well, Ann. 1. How can she be shocked that they would answer the question in a way to get Sheldon Adelson’s money

  500. 500
    David Koch says:

    These clowns are just getting massacred on twitter.

    It’s a turkey shoot.

  501. 501
    David Koch says:

    @Anoniminous: in the final analysis, he isn’t white.

  502. 502
    Corner Stone says:

    @Suzanne: No shit? Really? Did not know that.
    Thanks!

  503. 503
    joel hanes says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    I’m sure that, from the perspective of a young, attractive, experienced woman, Suzanne’s comment appears to be perfectly true.

    Let it be a lesson to the rest of us on how subjectivity can lead one astray.

  504. 504
    Suzanne says:

    @David Koch: I couldn’t believe Huckleberry said that. What a fucking dumbass. All he had to name was ONE prominent American woman and all he could come up with was his wife, for enduring his company.

    Spent more time talking about our uteri.

    I will say that I loved Trump’s comment to Rand Paul, “You’ve got your one percent.” LMAO.

  505. 505

    @Botsplainer:

    With any luck, it ends up like “Modern Family” — you get Sophia Vergara and she gets the pathetic loser she left you for. Win/win!

  506. 506
    RaflW says:

    @srv:

    Help is on the way.

    Glad to know you’re pulling for the meteor too.

  507. 507
    Suzanne says:

    @joel hanes:

    young, attractive, experienced

    One out of three ain’t bad.

  508. 508
    Anoniminous says:

    @Morzer:

    He’d better do something. Polling has JEB! losing Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and South Carolina. There’s still time but the window is starting to close.

    @David Koch:

    Yup. And the mad crazy lady, ultimately, has lady parts.

  509. 509
    Peale says:

    @David Koch: Let’s be fair here. Hamilton was not a natural born citizen, so replacing him with another foreigner wouldn’t be out of bounds.

  510. 510
    RaflW says:

    @Anoniminous: He’s got loser stink. And it is fully self-applied!

  511. 511
    Morzer says:

    @Anoniminous:

    I don’t think El Hermano Jeb! is going to come back at this point. He’s managed to convince everyone that he’s a boring wimp and I can’t imagine how he changes that impression.

  512. 512
    Suzanne says:

    @Corner Stone: Actually, on the day we met, Mr. Suzanne and I talked about our favorite blogs, and he told me about this one. He said it was just my kind of place—liberals, pets, nerdy things, and snark. So you have him to blame for the last seven years of my crappy commentary.

  513. 513
    Morzer says:

    @Peale:

    We could could always replace him with Ted Cruz, that well-known Texan author of The Fudderalist Papers.

  514. 514
    sinnedbackwards says:

    @David Koch: Are folks who aren’t familiar with whatever that show is expected to understand? I do not.

  515. 515
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Anoniminous: You forgot Florida.

  516. 516
    Mike in NC says:

    @srv: You were missing all day, asshole. Do you have a hall pass, shithead?

  517. 517
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Suzanne: Don’t sell yourself short. I know you’ve got number one nailed down(you’re 3 years older than the kid).

  518. 518
    Anoniminous says:

    @RaflW: @Morzer:

    It’s insane. I’ve never, ever, seen a front runner crater this badly, this early. The doofus is managing to poll third in Florida! The guy has got like no national popular support. Even the despised Romney was getting in the mid-20s by this point.

  519. 519
    Anoniminous says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Picked it up on the rebound. :-)

  520. 520
    Morzer says:

    @Anoniminous:

    Well, he is facing the awesome might of the RUBIOMACHINE!!!!

  521. 521
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Anoniminous: Right now the front runner on the right is Trump.

  522. 522
    Ruckus says:

    @Botsplainer:
    I bet I’m a lot farther along than you on the wrong side of middle age and I’m here to tell you, it isn’t as scary as it was when you were a teen and I bet you managed then.

  523. 523
    joel hanes says:

    @Suzanne:

    As is well known, all is relative.

    I was using myself as a baseline, and I am … not you.
    Nor does my life experience bear out your charmingly optimistic claim.

    (I _can_ say that I am younger than efgoldman; just not nearly as charming)

  524. 524
    Morzer says:

    Apparently raging Socialist Vermont Cheddar Jihadi Muslim Bernie S had himself some Twitteration fun:

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-.....ive-tweets

    Bernie Sanders

    @BernieSanders

    Trump. What a pleasant and humble person. Can’t stop saying kind and generous things about his fellow Republicans. #DebateWithBernie

  525. 525
    NotMax says:

    @Anoniminous

    Ah, but per the resident Jeb fetishist, it’s in the bag. Let others tire themselves out lapping him on the track again and again, then ramp it up and boldly shift into second gear.

    :)

  526. 526
    Thoughtful Today says:

    heheh

    Bernie Sanders on Republican debate:

    War, war, war. When do we get to their other major priority: tax breaks for billionaires? #DebateWithBernie

    https://twitter.com/BernieSanders

  527. 527
    Morzer says:

    @Botsplainer:

    You may have lost a little off your fastball, but you are still fully capable of balling. Trust me, I did the Kessel Run in 2.7 parsnips!

  528. 528
    Anoniminous says:

    @Morzer:

    Rubio is doing even worse. Florida GOP doesn’t want their governors to become prez, I guess.

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Now he is. At the start of the thing Bush held all the cards: money, endorsements, organization, name recognition … you name it,. And the dumb ass blew it all away by being JEB!

  529. 529
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @joel hanes: Everyone is younger than efgoldman, though he is quite charming.

  530. 530
    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Seeing efgoldman in the white fur coat with the diamonds and babes dripping off him was a once in a lifetime experience.

  531. 531
    Corner Stone says:

    Man. Sometimes life comes at you real fucking fast.

  532. 532
    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Thoughtful Today: Quick question: Are you again going to call anyone who doesn’t agree with you about everything a troll? Just wondering…

  533. 533
    Suzanne says:

    @joel hanes: Well, I still think it’s good advice. I support giving into vices with a degree of regularity.

  534. 534
    Corner Stone says:

    @Suzanne: “It’s the Pictures That Got Small!”

  535. 535
    Suzanne says:

    @Morzer: I don’t even know what efgoldman looks like, but I hope he wears a white fur coat and diamonds. That would be tremendous.

  536. 536
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: Did you ingest some mushrooms prior to seeing this?

  537. 537
    RK says:

    Carly Fiorina is Nurse Ratchet.

  538. 538
    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    No, I watched a Republican primary debate.

  539. 539
    NotMax says:

    Just saw a clip of Graham.

    “That’s one thing that will be different. In my White House, there will be more drinking.”

  540. 540
    Morzer says:

    @Suzanne:

    Fur coats and diamonds, he think he a superstar.

  541. 541
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: I believe that’s effectively the same.

  542. 542
    Anoniminous says:

    @NotMax:

    … then ramp it up and boldly shift into second gear reverse.

    Corrected for accuracy.

    Well this has been … something.

    Night all

  543. 543
    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Well, I was seeing pink and white elephants for a while there – and they were saying the strangest things.

  544. 544
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @NotMax: I think the Secret Service is drinking too much as it is.

  545. 545
    NotMax says:

    @Morzer

    After tonight, Limberbutt McCubbins is looking better and better and better.

  546. 546
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @NotMax: Is that Baud’s real name?

  547. 547
    Morzer says:

    @NotMax:

    The Time Is Meow!

  548. 548
    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Mr McCubbins is a bona fide presidential candidate. He knows where America’s kibble bowl is at.

  549. 549
  550. 550
    RK says:

    “This is about you, not me” – Chris Christie

    Funniest moment of the night.

  551. 551
    SWMBO says:

    @Botsplainer: At least he cared enough to do that.

  552. 552
    amk says:

    no new thread till this one hits 600 … or 1000.

  553. 553
    RK says:

    @amk: Cole’s going to start a new thread about the state of his anti-virus program.

  554. 554
    amk says:

    @RK:

    fuck him. who the hell does he think he is?

  555. 555
    joel hanes says:

    @Suzanne:

    I still think it’s good advice

    Oh, so do I.

    The practical difficulty (for some) comes in the attempt to follow it.

    “Have a million dollars in investments before you’re thirty” is likewise good advice, for those in a position to follow it.

    Have you ever seen the Disney movie “The Hunchback of Notre Dame” ?
    The actual message is: if you’re sufficiently different from others, romantic love is not for you, so learn to take joy in the happiness of your friends.

  556. 556
    Morzer says:

    @joel hanes:

    I don’t know that Botsplainer’s heart will be filled with joy at the thought that he might be Quasimodo II.

  557. 557
    Amir Khalid says:

    @joel hanes:
    I’m pretty sure that wasn’t the message of the Victor Hugo novel.

  558. 558
  559. 559
    RK says:

    The actual message is: if you’re sufficiently different from others, romantic love is not for you, so learn to take joy in the happiness of your friends.

    Why do I get the feeling that’s not the message of the film.

  560. 560
    Morzer says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Victor Hugo pretty clearly wanted to persuade disabled people to avoid bell towers and sexy gypsy girls.

  561. 561

    @Amir Khalid:

    IIRC, in the Hugo novel, Esmeralda is publicly executed while her boyfriend watches indifferently, and they later find Quasimodo’s corpse snuggled up to her skeleton inside her crypt.

    I’m surprised Disney was able to find any kind of “happy” ending for that story.

  562. 562
    RaflW says:

    G’night y’all …
    and one comment closer to 600.

  563. 563
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: Quasimodo III, I’m Quasimodo II.

  564. 564
    RK says:

    The actual message is: if you’re sufficiently different from others, romantic love is not for you, so learn to take joy in the happiness of your friends.

    Maybe he left out: And watch a lot of porn.

  565. 565
    Suzanne says:

    @joel hanes: If you saw the Disney sequel, “The Hunchback of Notre Dame II”, you would learn that Quasimodo gets some ass in that film.

  566. 566
    Morzer says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Actually, I think Cole’s antics with the mop make him Quasi III, so Botsplainer will have to settle for being Quasi IV.

  567. 567
    joel hanes says:

    @Morzer:

    I hope that Botsplainer is not laboring under the mistaken idea that I’m talking about him, at all.

  568. 568
    Morzer says:

    @Suzanne:

    I can see a self-help book coming out of all of this:

    Love lessons from the Hunchback of Notre Dame or Even A Freak Like You Can Get Some

  569. 569
    joel hanes says:

    @RK:

    Why do I get the feeling

    Two explanations occur to me:

    – you haven’t seen the movie

    – you instinctively identified with Phoebus

  570. 570
    joel hanes says:

    @Suzanne:

    HBND 2

    I am glad to hear it.
    Perhaps I should watch that one.

  571. 571
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: I am the antithesis of that thesis.

  572. 572
    Thoughtful Today says:

    Tom Tomorrow explains it all:

    http://www.thenation.com/artic.....young-man/

  573. 573
    SectionH says:

    @Amir Khalid: Yeah, but… modern tastes and all that.

    How about a Disney movie of, oh, say Zola’s Gernimal?

    That is basically the society the R’s want to take the US back to.

  574. 574
    divF says:

    After browsing the web looking for clown show commentary, I am coming to the conclusion that no one was really energized by the performances this evening. The candidates didn’t even induce large amounts of high-quality snark.

  575. 575
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @SectionH: a poor family meets a helpful family of gnomes in the coal mine, who bring them to their happy underground garden, and teach them to mine food and sunshine!

    I managed to see only a few seconds of the debate, which unfortunately was Carly Fiorina snarling about Clinton lying about Benghazi, which I gather was the second stupidest thing said about foreign policy.

  576. 576
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Mnemosyne (tablet):
    Esmerelda is hanged for the murder of a man who, we learn at the end of the novel, is alive and well and has quite forgotten that she ever existed. She doesn’t get a crypt; she’s a poor gypsy girl, after all. Quasimodo cuts her body down from the scaffold and takes it away to a hiding place where their dead bodies are later found.

    Disney made up a happy ending on their own, just like they did with The Little Mermaid.

  577. 577
    RK says:

    @joel hanes: Didn’t see the movie but it sounds like an odd message coming from DIsney.

  578. 578
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @SectionH: Disney’s The Road: A Boy and His Dad cross the country in their whacky shopping cart of fun! Meeting the strangers they call friends we haven’t met yet! The shopping cart talks and sings.

  579. 579
    Mandalay says:

    @Morzer:

    How many f—ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?

    This is probably the closest we’ll ever get to seeing Coulter backpedal:

    It’s not about Jewish people; it’s about Republican panderers.

    Not so sure that’s enough to get her out of trouble since her original tweet was all about “f—ing Jews” rather than “panderers”.

  580. 580
    joel hanes says:

    @SectionH:

    How about a Disney movie of, oh, say Zola’s Gernimal?

    or Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle

    I’d pay to see the Disney version of Voltaire’s Candide

    … and now, it’s getting late out even here on the Left coast, so if you’ll all excuse me,
    I shall retire to tend my garden.

  581. 581

    @RK:
    Not an odd message at all. The Disney Princess Years were full of superficial declarations of a positive message, then the actual events of the movie contradicting it. The absolute disappearance of Belle’s independence and intellectualism when she meets the right man leaps screamingly to mind.

    @joel hanes:
    They made Peter Pan. It doesn’t get much more creepy than that book. I can’t blame Disney for removing the comments about how grown women find Peter irresistably attractive because he still has his baby teeth.

  582. 582
    Thoughtful Today says:

    Forewarning: Politico link:

    ““I think every Democratic campaign and the DNC should have to explain why we are ceding the discussion and attention to the Republicans by refusing to the kind of robust debate schedule we’ve always had,” said O’Malley’s campaign manager Dave Hamrick in a statement to POLITICO. “The question remains — if the DNC is still holding to their unprecedented exclusivity clause, are they doing it at the Clinton campaign’s request?””

  583. 583
    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @Suzanne:

    I think that was The Bareback of Notre Dame. I saw it on Cinemax, I think.

  584. 584
    RK says:

    @Frankensteinbeck: I have no idea what you’re referring to regarding Belle and it just seems odd that a Disney movie would have the message: You’re deformed and ugly so forget about a lover.

  585. 585
    Suzanne says:

    @Amir Khalid: And then they made up a whole additional story in which Quasi gets a lady friend.

  586. 586
    RK says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet): I think the sequel was Hunchback Mountain which included the rousing number Baby Got Hunchback.

  587. 587
    SectionH says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes!

    We hung out in a couple of beer bars with wifi, and mostly read BJ commentary. No way I would have looked at the live broadcast. I just can’t deal with that shit any more.

    We’re parlisly close to a thing, mission, meme here…

    We could offer it to Baud for his Quest, um, which would be excellent, but otherwise, I worry that Rupert might notice and actually try to make even more re-writing happen.

  588. 588
    jl says:

    @Thoughtful Today:

    Sanders sums up the debate in this tweet:

    ” Okay. Let’s vote for Reagan. Sounds better than any of these guys. “

  589. 589
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet): well played, well played.

    @Thoughtful Today: if the DNC is still holding to their unprecedented exclusivity clause, are they doing it at the Clinton campaign’s request?””

    How many debates were there in 2008, when O’Malley was so horrified by the thought of a Clinton dynasty he was one of her earliest endorsers and I think campaign co-chair?

  590. 590
    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @RK:

    LOL.

  591. 591
    Amir Khalid says:

    @RK:
    Belle is the princess character in the Disney Beauty and The Beast. As for the ending they came up with for The Hunchback of Notre Dame, there was no way they were going to use the one Hugo wrote. There is in fact a long tradition of Hunchback of Notre Dame adaptations pasting in a happy ending.

  592. 592
    RK says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet): Well you inspired me with laughter.

  593. 593
    SectionH says:

    @joel hanes: We’re probably too late. They’re probably working on a couple of those already.

    Good night, I’m in Specific Time too. Just never got the hang of a 24 hour clock.

  594. 594
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @SectionH: We could offer it to Baud for his Quest, um
    If Baud is a hobbit I wanna be one of them rock flinging trees

    I listened to a couple of podcast interviews with Ian McKellen, and I can’t remember if it was on Fresh Air or Maron that he said that during a drinking outing with the cast, Christopher Lee told McKellen that he thought that he (Lee) should have played Gandalf– told with good humor and great respect

  595. 595
    Morzer says:

    @RK:

    Followed by Hunchback To The Future.

  596. 596
    SectionH says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I’m pretty sure Baud will deny any Hobbit ties at all, but it will be harder for him when I swear “To the best of my knowledge, Baud is not now, nor ever has been a Hobbit in any way at all.”

    Oops.

  597. 597
    Origuy says:

    In some versions of the Sleeping Beauty story, it’s not a kiss that wakens the sleeping beauty.

  598. 598
    RK says:

    @Morzer: Where Quasimodo hooks up with robotic AI but is once again left disappointed due to the sex being too mechanical.

  599. 599
    DivF says:

    I see this thread has crossed the 600 line. Good.

  600. 600
    Morzer says:

    @SectionH:

    So Baud is officially denying tying up Hobbits?

  601. 601
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Origuy:
    And the Disney version stops at the wedding, leaving out the part about Sleeping Beauty’s mother-in-law from hell.

  602. 602
    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @Origuy:

    I know that when I set out on a quest in my younger days one of the prime motivations was the prospect of boning a chick in a coma. Good times.

    ETA: See my straight-to-video memoir, Sleeping Booty.

  603. 603
    Morzer says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet):

    Sleeping Booty or Quasi MoDo…

  604. 604
    SectionH says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Lee’s early love of LotR was well known – he sent a Fan letter to Tolkien in the ’50s, got a reply, and then actually met the man later. And he def. wanted to play Gandalf (and knows how to pronounce the name, too!). But he played the role he was dealt as well as could possibly have been done, given the script.

    I have so much respect and fondness for both Christopher Lee and Ian McKellan as human beings.

  605. 605
    SectionH says:

    @Morzer: Do you mean he’s a Pervy Hobbit Fancier?

    It would be wrong not to ask!

  606. 606
    Morzer says:

    @SectionH:

    I am sure all those rumors about Hobbit Shibari orgies are just groundless, vicious lies.

  607. 607
    VFX Lurker says:

    @joel hanes:

    In all seriousness… check out BLACKSAD, a comic book series drawn by an ex-Disney artist. If you want to see mad Disney skillz take on film noir subject matter, you will love BLACKSAD. (Warning: it’s not for kiddies!!!)

  608. 608
    redshirt says:

    So, anyone looking for a Green Card only marriage?

  609. 609
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: MoDo after her visit to CO?

  610. 610
    SectionH says:

    @Morzer:

    Unless they were all a False Flag operation, of course!

  611. 611
    Amir Khalid says:

    @DivF:
    Unless there’s a late night open thread, we might even go for 700 comments. Haven’t seen one of those in a while.

  612. 612
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Amir Khalid: I’ll do my bit.

    Dogs are better than cats.

  613. 613
    redshirt says:

    @Amir Khalid: Did you hear Tom Brady endorsed The Donald????

  614. 614
    redshirt says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This is true by like a kilometer.

  615. 615
    Steeplejack (tablet) says:

    @redshirt:

    Little late tonight for that. Just pay already.

  616. 616
  617. 617
    Amir Khalid says:

    @redshirt:
    I was a big fan of The Brady Bunch, and I don’t remember a Tom Brady.

    Seriously, I do know who he is. I also remember he keeps a Make America Great Again hat in his locker, which only goes to show that elite athletes are not necessarily smart political thinkers.

  618. 618
    DivF says:

    @Amir Khalid:
    I’ve never seen 700. In fact I had never seen 600 before tonight.

    Any signs of tsunami out your way? Things have been quiet here on the NorCal coast.

  619. 619
    RK says:

    @Steeplejack (tablet): LOL Reminds me of the book “How to Bone Chicks in a Coma: On the Road with Bill Cosby”

  620. 620
    amk says:

    yay 600. let’s shoot for 700.

  621. 621
  622. 622
    SectionH says:

    @Amir Khalid: Bleh, I figured it out after I’d posted.

    The boring endorsing the appalling.

    Woo.

  623. 623
    Amir Khalid says:

    @DivF:
    A tsunami hitting Peninsular Malaysia would be very unlikely. We have all of Sumatra between us and the nearest ocean plate boundary, and the rest of the Indonesian archipelago shields us from tsunamis originating in the main body of the Pacific Ocean.

  624. 624
    Thoughtful Today says:

    hmm…

    How is it that out of all the Republican Presidential Candidates, the worst person in the room was … CNN’s Jake Tapper?

  625. 625
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @DivF: We’re under a tsunami warning here in SoCal.

  626. 626
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Thoughtful Today:
    Jake Tapper may have delusions of competence like all the Republican candidates for president. But at least he’s not seeking high office in order to execute a potentially disastrous policy agenda.

  627. 627
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:
    It depends on the individual dog or cat.

  628. 628
    redshirt says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I was a big fan of The Brady Bunch, and I don’t remember a Tom Brady.

    He was another one of the cousins. Came on the show to teach Bobby how to throw a spiral, and be a man.

    And Make America Great Again.

  629. 629
    DivF says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: so I see – from Orange County up to SLO.

    The Big Thing on the news around here tonight is snow in the Sierra. Lots of pictures of snow falling on the sf chronicle website.

  630. 630
    Thoughtful Today says:

    “CNN GOP Debate: The Young Turks Summary.”

    Best line at the end:

    “… the big loser at the debate was journalism

  631. 631
    redshirt says:

    @DivF: I check the weather in California for no reason, and pray for rain. Snow’s just as good!

  632. 632
    DivF says:

    It’s late and I teach in the morning. Signing off.

    And doing on last bit to get to 700.

  633. 633
    RK says:

    @Thoughtful Today: I said earlier that the one thing this debate made clear is that the media is part of the problem. Tapper opened the debate like a prize fight calling it the main event.

  634. 634
    redshirt says:

    @DivF: Fear not, friend. I’ll make it happen.

    WITNESS ME!!!!!!

  635. 635
    DivF says:

    @redshirt: the whole drought thing here has made me needy and a little pathetic. Compulsively checking the climate pages on the nws website. Sad, really.

  636. 636
    redshirt says:

    @DivF: I feel your pain, and your joy when moisture falls from the sky.

    I should visit. My last two visits to LA were filled with rain each time – a decade ago.

    Maybe a GoFundMe raindance?

  637. 637
    redshirt says:

    I was legit happy LA and surrounding areas got 2 inches of rain the other day. That’s huge. Yes, barely a dent in the drought, but a record setting day of precipitation for the area. More like this please!

  638. 638
    redshirt says:

    @DivF: Do you visit Weather Underground? I find their use of local weather stations to be very useful. You’ve got to filter out a few anomalies, but it gives you a very detailed view of local temps and conditions.

  639. 639
    gene108 says:

    I fell asleep at 10:32 pm. I got bored watching the debate. My subconscious just churned out a very vivid strange (even by dream standards) dream and now I am up.

    Reading the comments it seems I did not miss much in the debate.

    I find the rise of Donald J. Trump reassuring. It has torn the mask off of the Republican Party in two ways. One he plays to the Id of the base, with regards to immigration, but he also has “gone off script”. Publicly trashing the Iraq War, saying he will raise taxes a lot on the super rich, preserve or strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and coming out in favor of a minimum wage has thrown the GOP for a loop, because they have become dogmatically tied to tax cuts solve everything and Social Security and Medicare must be privatized they do not know how to respond to Trunp on the economy.

    It is amusing to watch.

    Plus the asshats from the Club for Growth cannot touch him, because he does not need them to fund his campaign or endorse as approved for potential donors.

  640. 640
    Thoughtful Today says:

    RK: “… the media is part of the problem.”

    Amen!

    Jake’s always been a sensationalist but CNN’s descent into a televised version of The National Enquirer is especially shameful during a Presidential “debate”.

  641. 641
    jl says:

    @gene108:

    ” Plus the asshats from the Club for Growth cannot touch him, because he does not need them to fund his campaign or endorse as approved for potential donors. ”

    Trump produced Club for Growth’s sleazy million dollar ask letter on twitter after they lied about it. Trump is doing a lot of damage to great and beloved GOP institutions, that is, scam operations and cons. But I guess a con man who doesn’t need the money can be very effective at outing other con artists, especially a better can artist blowing the whistle on punk low skill con artists.

  642. 642
    RK says:

    @gene108: Trump is essentially a Democrat which is why some think he’s actually a plant.

  643. 643
    jl says:

    @Thoughtful Today: The one bright side I can see in it is that these clowns will spend all their time refining their skills at BSing, pandering to fanatics who hold very unpopular views, and flinging poo. Any Democrat in the race, even if something horrible happened and we got so desparate that it was Webb, will destroy them in a debate.

    If the media wants to enable these goofs pandering and BSing instead of skilling up for the general, that is a good thing.

  644. 644
    redshirt says:

    @jl:

    Any Democrat in the race, even if something horrible happened and we got so desparate that it was Webb, will destroy them in a debate.

    A Democrat cannot win a debate with a Republican unless the media says so, and perhaps they no longer will, given the Winning that is Trump? RATINGS people. Eyeballs. That’s all that matters. Well, actually the dollars those ratings translate into, but means to an end and all.

    Read about these and other subtle business tricks in Art of the Deal. Our new Holy book.

  645. 645
    David Koch says:

    @Mandalay: She’s always been anti-Semitic.

    Back in 2007 she said she wanted to get rid of Judaism – period.

    Deutsch then asked, “It would be better if we were all Christian?” to which Coulter responded, “Yes.” Later in the discussion, Deutsch said to her: “[Y]ou said we should throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians,” and Coulter again replied, “Yes.” When pressed by Deutsch regarding whether she wanted to be like “the head of Iran” and “wipe Israel off the Earth,” Coulter stated: “No, we just want Jews to be perfected.”

    Imagine if anyone else had said they wanted to get rid of Judaism. But IOKIYAR.

    The right, including the Likudniks like Kristol, have always known she’s a Nazi, but they found her useful for rabble rousing the know-nothings. Now they’re gonna have to wait a while before they can deploy her again.

  646. 646
    David Koch says:

    @redshirt: This is true. Unless the Democrat utterly destroys the republican (“please proceed, Governor”) the media will always try to give it to the republican.

    Gore beat Bush on substance but they took the decision away from him, hammering him for sighing, while gushing over Bush as a guy you’d like to have a beer with.

  647. 647
    Amir Khalid says:

    @RK:
    There’s a persistent story that Bill Clinton persuaded him to make this run, and if it’s true this would be the mother of all ratfucks. Bill does say that he’s encouraged The Donald to play a bigger role in Republican politics.

  648. 648
    A Humble Lurker says:

    @Mandalay:

    Fuck off you Uncle Tom.

    This thread is dead by now or just about, but would like to make of point of saying no, he ain’t, not even close. Unless you can imagine Carlson allowing himself to be beat to death because he refused to sell out two escaped girls’ location to said beaters.

  649. 649
    redshirt says:

    @David Koch:

    Gore beat Bush on substance but they took the decision away from him, hammering him for sighing, while gushing over Bush as a guy you’d like to have a beer with.

    When I’m Temporary Emperor, I’ll enforce a media divestment program which ensures each media market has a diverse collection of ownership (no one media company can control more than two media companies per market for example), and no national media can be owned by a larger organization.

    Get rid of the corporate influence in media, and then what do we have? Truth? Or louder fictions?

  650. 650
    Amir Khalid says:

    @redshirt:
    Ultimately, you can’t engineer the profit motive out of a news organisation unless you make it a non-profit, supported by something other than business revenues e.g. a big pile of money from some benefactor.

  651. 651
    redshirt says:

    @Amir Khalid: Ironically, it’s the Christian Scientists.

  652. 652
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Amir Khalid: However, you can enforce antitrust law and impose restriction on ownership as a condition for receiving a broadcast license.

  653. 653
  654. 654
    RK says:

    Leaked upcoming posts by Cole:

    I’m Downloading Windows Updates
    Just Took a Shower – I Feel Clean
    My Dog is on My Couch
    Took My Black Friend to Dinner
    My Cat Won’t Turn Around
    I Can See the Sun Outside
    I Just Exhaled
    I Just Inhaled
    I Just Exhaled Again

  655. 655
    Applejinx says:

    @Botsplainer: You can’t be Quasimodo 4, I’m that.

    Seriously though, I lift weights, half starve to where I am fairly impressive looking, have good grooming and am hung like a pony and STILL absolutely do not get laid ever, so some of what people are saying is lies. It’s true that some people simply don’t get laid and didn’t when they were teenagers either.

    But. But! BUT.

    I married a BPD woman who had many cool qualities but flipped out and turned into something of a nightmare. She bailed, I divorced, and the nightmare ended (I’m given to understand, for both sides). I even stayed in the house and paid off her equity and gave her literally all the furniture and everything that was IN the house.

    And it was over. And I can’t speak for her, and I have no solution at all for the male-brain-demons that have me regularly suicidal (being steered from the dick will do that to you and I have no remedy short of serious drug abuse, which is off the table)… but apart from not being able to deal with that, life is pretty clearly better. A lot better. And being single is a ridiculous amount of freedom.

    After you’ve bonded with someone that basically eats your brain, and gotten free, you’ll understand the truth of this. In some ways that’s why I’m doomed to battle my biology: I could actually get laid by ditching standards and getting real intimate with another screwed-up needy person but I know better than most, the risks of that.

    Courage. There’s a way through it, and sometimes hell is other people.

  656. 656
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @raven:

    I know, right? And Anne Laurie’s Internets are broken, so let’s not look for a morning thread from her.

  657. 657
    Central Planning says:

    This is the longest thread I’ve seen in a while. I missed the debate last night. Seems like I didn’t miss much. Anyone have a site with a good highlights reel?

  658. 658
    RK says:

    @Central Planning: You missed nothing. Long, boring, no real highlights.

    And Anne Laurie’s Internets are broken, so let’s not look for a morning thread from her.

    I fear she may be going through Bob Schooley withdrawls.

  659. 659
    Morzer says:

    @Central Planning:

    I think you might want to settle for the least low of the lowlights.

  660. 660
    raven says:

    @Applejinx: that’s some cheery shit right there

  661. 661
    Schlemazel says:

    I hope I time this right so mine is comment 666

  662. 662
    Schlemazel says:

    OK, this is it! The anti-christ of comments

    MORNING JUICERS! WELCOME TO HELL.

    Unles Dem wins, then it will just be heck with Phil prince of insufficient light

  663. 663
    raven says:

    @Schlemazel: Some of these people don’t need BJ to be in hell.

  664. 664
    Keith G says:

    Holy crap. I am up and getting ready for work and THIS is still the thread?

  665. 665
  666. 666
    Schlemazel says:

    @raven:
    Don’t I know it!

    Anyone care to summarize the thread? I couldn’t care less about the debate but anything fun happen here? Rite to retch show up? Svr?

  667. 667
    raven says:

    @Corner Stone: Where ya been dick head?

  668. 668
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Schlemazel:Getting in beastmode, eh?.

  669. 669
    Baud says:

    As President, I will develop an Anne Laurie continuity plan for Balloon Juice, so this tragedy doesn’t happen again.

  670. 670
    Keith G says:

    @Schlemazel: RtR gave it a half hearted try, but no, this was not intrinsically high on that type of entertainment.

  671. 671
    NotMax says:

    @Schlemazel

    In a carefully weighed, objective and dispassionate manner, RtR declared Jeb! the runaway winner.

    :)

  672. 672
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Baud: Yeah, this is nuts.

  673. 673
    Another Holocene Human says:

    I drove through Betty Cracker territory yesterday. GNV to Ft Myers and back, all in one day. The Google lied about how long it would take. Miserable.

  674. 674
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @NotMax: It was a shock to all of us that were present.

  675. 675
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @A Humble Lurker: Uncle Tom the book version != Uncle Tom the play

    Educated people learn about Da Book in school. But it turns out (funny story) historically the masses were familiar with Da Play(s). In fact, James Baldwin references the theatrical version in Invisible Man, I believe.

    The popular conception/notion of Uncle Tom comes from the play. Which was from what I understand pretty darn racist. The book was a pull-no-punches abolitionist screed, otoh.

  676. 676
    RK says:

    “Federal prosecutors are poised to settle a criminal investigation into General Motors, according to people briefed on the matter, accusing the automaker of failing to disclose a safety defect tied to at least 124 deaths. The case, which the prosecutors plan to unveil on Thursday, would cap a wide-ranging investigation that tainted the automaker’s reputation for quality and safety and damaged its bottom line.

    “The prosecutors will impose a penalty of nearly $1 billion on G.M., according to people briefed on the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity, but they are not expected to include charges against individual G.M. employees.”

  677. 677
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @SectionH: Ian McKellan seemed to be a bit of a pervy hobbit fancier. I’d say more fond hobbit fancier, but, you know, figure of speech.

  678. 678
    Morzer says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Let he (or she) who has not felt a twinge of affection for pervy hobbits cast the first stone.

  679. 679
    Keith G says:

    @RK:

    but they are not expected to include charges against individual G.M. employees

    Disappointing. The quickest way to lessen that type of wrong-doing is to make sure that jail time (or a very personally costly criminal defense bill) is a likely result.

  680. 680
    MomSense says:

    Sorry I was late boss but the thread had almost 700 comments.

  681. 681
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @RK:

    but they are not expected to include charges against individual G.M. employees.”

    Of course not. Prison is for the common rif raf, not the uncommon rif raf.

  682. 682
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Amir Khalid: I think the Disney ending is the unhappy ending.

    In the original story, the mermaid is afraid of her mortality as a non-human creature and longs to be human. She fails as a human, falling in love with an unworthy man who rejects her. But having learned from her quasi-Faustian journey, she is transformed, and becomes a guardian angel.

    The story is bittersweet but uplifting. She never really had a chance with that prince guy; the people who really love her are her family who support her in a choice they don’t and will never understand.

    In the Disney movie she MARRIES THE DOUCHEBAG!

  683. 683
    NotMax says:

    @Morzer

    Some people talk of Bilbo, others of Frodo.

    No one talks about Pervo.

  684. 684
    MomSense says:

    @RK:

    And this is how we know corporations are not people my friend.

  685. 685
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Keith G: With all due respect, I have to say that you lack the data** to back up that assertion. :-(

    **hardly ever does anyone go to jail for corporate malfeasance.

  686. 686
    RK says:

    @Keith G: Prosecutors say they don’t have the evidence, although the investigation continues apparently, but I agree with you. Seems that prison, with the rare exception, isn’t for rich and powerful people these days, a sign of our corrupt culture.

  687. 687
    Another Holocene Human says:

    Anderson’s stories also tend to have a subtext about homosexuality. Unlike some writers who were gay and hated themselves and it comes out in ugly stuff like misogyny, Anderson’s message is affirming.

    You could take the Little Mermaid as a metaphor about heterosexuality. The straight people are the humans. They have eternal life because they have children. The mermaids have a happy, but ephemeral life because they do not. At a horrible cost one of the mermaids has her body physical transformed (there’s a long scene describing the hobbling pain following this transformation, the disorientation) to join the human world, but fails in the imposture because she cannot speak. In the end she is not like them and doesn’t understand their ways. And straight people would rather be with other straight people than a gay person trying to be straight. (Or a transgendered person who doesn’t pass, perhaps? Can’t speak because the voice gives you away?) In the story, the little mermaid becomes a guardian angel who looks after children. Hm, much like Anderson writes stories with little morals for children.

  688. 688
    Keith G says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: That’s my point.

    The laws and the process need to be changed so that what the supervisors at GM did could be handled as a type reckless endangerment leading to loss of life.

    Edit

    In every county court house in America, “normal” folk are prosecuted for doing things that are foreseeably dangerous and that then lead to someone dying.

  689. 689
    Another Holocene Human says:

    @RK: Corporations are a racket. Can’t go to prison, can’t get sued, do horrible stuff all day long.

    No wonder NPD, sociopaths, and psychopaths are in charge.

  690. 690
    Baud says:

    Hey Cole, we oppose threaded comments. We still support threads.

    Doing my part to get to get big 7-0-0.

  691. 691
    RK says:

    Cole doesn’t read this blog I don’t think.

  692. 692
    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Baud: Will it break (even more) if we reach 700? Should we chance it?

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  693. 693
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Baud:

    I’ll help.

  694. 694
    Morzer says:

    @RK:

    You mean you think he does?

  695. 695
    Keith G says:

    I think Steve has locked Cole out of the house and taken over Balloon-Juice.

  696. 696
    Morzer says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    Cole’s going to rush in screaming “The dilithium crystals canna take it!”. Any minute now…..

  697. 697
    Keith G says:

    Missed by one.

    Edit. If Skinner was correct, now commenting will slow down for the next 93 comments.

  698. 698
    MomSense says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    We could always just go reclaim a forgotten 40 comment thread.

  699. 699
    RK says:

    @Morzer: lol Language is a strange thing.

  700. 700
    Morzer says:

    @Keith G:

    It rubs the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the Ravens’ highlights package again….

  701. 701
    Tommy says:

    @Another Holocene Human: The fact you know this much about Disney movies hurts my head. Maybe I should. When my niece forces me to watch them a strange thing happens. About ten seconds in she starts to dance. I stand up and dance with her. We don’t get that far into the shows because, well dance. She is seven. I think any lady watches Frozen as much as she does. Knows every word. Need to rent the darn thing and watch it as an adult.

  702. 702
    RK says:

    @Keith G: Cole’s barricaded in his Thurston panic room.

  703. 703
    Morzer says:

    @RK:

    Nah, crouched naked in a pit with Steve snarling down from above him.

  704. 704
    NotMax says:

    @RK

    Or it’s a subtle psychological experiment to see how long it takes for us all to lose interest and fade away.

  705. 705
    Elizabelle says:

    Groundhog day, hmmm?

    Listening to BBC America. Reporter thinks Fiorina did well and is very impressive in foreign policy.

    Good news re Chile: seems damage may be limited, although they’re still assessing villages. Tsunami warnings lifted.

  706. 706
    Beth in VA says:

    @Elizabelle: GOP congress hasn’t done anything but fecklessly voted to repeal ObamaCare.

  707. 707
    RK says:

    Well, this thread has been been epic, at least in length, with some good laughs. Have a good day all.

  708. 708
    Morzer says:

    @NotMax:

    Does Cole do subtle?

  709. 709
    Stacy says:

    Mika is on morning joe assuring Bill Kristol that Fiorina can show “humor” later. He wants a Fiorina/Cotton ticket. They just love Carly this morning.

  710. 710
    Morzer says:

    @Stacy:

    Didn’t Kristol want an independent Cheney/Cotton ticket not so long ago?

  711. 711
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Keith G: Missed it by that much. Sorry Chief.

  712. 712
    Amir Khalid says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:
    Reaching 700 comments won’t break the blog.

    @Another Holocene Human:
    That’s an almost Slate-like take on the Disney The Little Mermaid.

  713. 713
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Keith G:

    In every county court house in America, “normal” folk are prosecuted for doing things that are foreseeably dangerous and that then lead to someone dying.

    Unless there is a gun involved. Then it is just an unfortunate accident that nobody could foresee happening. Like the guy who used his gun to drill a hole in the wall for his cable TV. Killed his wife. Whocoulda knowed she’d be standing in her own house?

  714. 714
    Elizabelle says:

    Bailed on the debate about 10:00 p. Boring, too much exposure to Republicans and the twisted world they inhabit. It was like finally getting hit by the flung monkey poo, and walking away from the zoo.

    Now it’s pod people — debate, debate, debate! — on MSNBC and CNN. It’s an infestation.

    They gotta stop this.

  715. 715
    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Morzer: Nope, just Twitter.

  716. 716
    RK says:

    @Morzer: Think I missed that joke. Okay. Out.

  717. 717
    Morzer says:

    Holy Mother Mary – Pope Frankie is going full-on Communist:

    http://www.cruxnow.com/church/.....-property/

    On the eve of a trip to the United States, Pope Francis has called himself a “son of immigrants” and confirmed the point by issuing a blunt warning to any religious orders in Europe that spurn his recent call to open their doors to refugees because they want to make money off their properties instead.

    Go ahead, the pope said, but be ready to pay taxes just like everybody else.

  718. 718
    Baud says:

    I blame Obama.

  719. 719
    Elizabelle says:

    @Another Holocene Human: Very interesting about The Little Mermaid and HCA. Did not realize the subtext. Thank you.

  720. 720
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Stacy:
    What does Bill Kristol see in that silly boy Tom Cotton?

  721. 721
    Keith G says:

    @Stacy:

    He wants a Fiorina/Cotton ticket. They just love Carly this morning.

    Why not? That seems as likely as many other combo platters.

    This is a weird one, but then it is still very early. Even at 14 months out, I usually have an idea of who the top two will be. Not now. So many clowns leading to so many variables. And one of them will get a not insignificant shot at being president.

  722. 722
    Tommy says:

    @Elizabelle: This is where my somewhat Republican parents are smarter than me. If I asked them if they watched the debate they would laugh at me. Say they have better things to do with their time.

  723. 723
    Morzer says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    A vulnerable young mind that is currently content-free.

  724. 724
    Amir Khalid says:

    The morning commenter traffic is just starting. I wonder if an 800-comment thread is possible.

  725. 725
    Elizabelle says:

    @Tommy: Your parents were wise.

    I have a sadness overlay from spending too much time in crazy RepublicanWorld last night.

    They’re so craven, and they lie so much, and we get them industrial strength, like a firehose of stupid, via CNN and MSNBC.

    Too much. Gonna make some coffee and get outside today.

  726. 726
    Morzer says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    One more small, lonely comment trudges off to work for the Blog Pharaoh…..

  727. 727
    Morzer says:

    @Tommy:

    They chose…actually, not… poorly.

  728. 728
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    Who said:

    How to get applause from GOP donors: 1) Pledge to start a war 2) Talk about job creators 3) Denounce abortion 4) Cite Reagan 5) Cite Israel.

  729. 729
    Elizabelle says:

    @Amir Khalid: NEW THREAD.

    We could try to get this one up to 800, if we liked … where’s that coffeemaker? Catch you in a few.

  730. 730
    Botsplainer says:

    Am up, feel like shit, and am sheepish about the meltdown. It shan’t happen again.

  731. 731
    Morzer says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Some guy connected to the Ozarks?

  732. 732
    Stacy says:

    @Morzer:Yes. He said either or would do but Cheney/Cotton is his first choice.

  733. 733
    Morzer says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Find yourself a great apartment and spend an afternoon there imagining all the cool things you can do with what is going to be a wonderful future.

  734. 734
    Tommy says:

    @Elizabelle: Go for a walk. The world is a stunning place. Walk around.

  735. 735
    Morzer says:

    @Stacy:

    Cheney/Cotton sounds like some bizarre variant on the boxers or briefs question.

  736. 736
    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Morzer: Believe it or not, Anne Coulter. Right after she said something about “fucking Jews”.

  737. 737
    Morzer says:

    @Tommy:

    Walk softly and carry a big. *cough* I mean, take time to smell the roses… but they are all dead. Um.. well, just walk around anyway then.

  738. 738
    Cervantes says:

    @Botsplainer:

    Am up, feel like shit, and am sheepish about the meltdown. It shan’t happen again.

    It makes sense that you’d feel this way — anyone would.

    If you need to talk, or vent, do it.

    It’s a difficult passage you’re in: excruciating. Hold on to yourself and remember to be who you are — for yourself and for those who still and always love and need you.

  739. 739
    Morzer says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    It was quite a rant – but I imagine she’ll get away with it, being an innocent, persecuted, rich, white Christian victim.

  740. 740
    Tommy says:

    @Morzer: Just a shout out to the Ozarks. I’ve been to about the entire country. It is a place where you will think to yourself this shit isn’t going on here.

  741. 741
    Cervantes says:

    @Elizabelle:

    They’re so craven, and they lie so much, and we get them industrial strength, like a firehose of stupid, via CNN and MSNBC.

    Yes.

    On the other hand, no one ever said that doing one’s civic duty is a cake-walk. Think how much you know about these people — that’s a valuable thing and I’m sure that, as ever, you will put it to good use. You are an inspiration.

  742. 742
    Elizabelle says:

    Chris Christie just told CNN he’s always been a guy who’s about quality over quantity. (re he got 7 minutes in the debate last night.)

  743. 743
    Cervantes says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Here’s Coulter:

    1:

    Cruz, Huckabee Rubio all mentioned ISRAEL in their response to: “What will AMERICA look like after you are president.”

    2:

    How many f—ing Jews do these people think there are in the United States?

    3:

    Maybe it’s to suck up to the Evangelicals.

    4:

    How to get applause from GOP donors: 1) Pledge to start a war 2) Talk about job creators 3) Denounce abortion 4) Cite Reagan 5) Cite Israel.

  744. 744
    Cervantes says:

    @Morzer:

    It was quite a rant – but I imagine she’ll get away with it, being an innocent, persecuted, rich, white Christian victim.

    The rant is above. How much does her being (or not being) “an innocent, persecuted, rich, white Christian victim” have to do with it?

  745. 745
    Tommy says:

    @Morzer: Can I sugguest a walk and it not be polotical

  746. 746
    Morzer says:

    @Cervantes:

    Actually I quoted her rant some hours ago.

    #752

  747. 747
    Morzer says:

    @Tommy:

    I can live with a non-polotical walk. I’ve never gone for sports on horseback myself.

  748. 748
    Cervantes says:

    @Morzer:

    OK, thanks. I did not see it.

    In any event, given her rant, why do you say this?

    I imagine she’ll get away with it, being an innocent, persecuted, rich, white Christian victim.

  749. 749
    Morzer says:

    @Cervantes:

    Because that seems to be the current conservative default status when caught saying or doing something despicable – and it seems to keep on working just fine.

  750. 750
    Cervantes says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    What does Bill Kristol see in that silly boy Tom Cotton?

    Hate plus Harvard.

  751. 751
    David Koch says:

    Last night’s big winner: Hillary Clinton who appeared on hilarious Trump sketch on Tonight Show

  752. 752
    Cervantes says:

    @Morzer:

    Sure.

    I guess I was expecting your analysis of her rant. Is it above as well? Or do you feel it neither merits nor requires analysis?

  753. 753
    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    @Applejinx:

    Courage. There’s a way through it, and sometimes hell is other people.

    Sometimes? ;-)

    No Exit.

    Hang in there. (Everyone else, also too.)

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  754. 754
    Morzer says:

    @Cervantes:

    I think it’s typical, despicable Coulter – but probably more accurately reflective of her inner monologue than she would like.

  755. 755
    Morzer says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    Sometimes hell is waking up to find you’ve run out of coffee.

    Although I suppose Obama is to blame for that, so it all comes back to people.

  756. 756
    David Koch says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: she was the biggest cheerleader for the iraq war, now she thinks it’s a disaster. It only took her 12 years to figure it out

  757. 757
    Alex S. says:

    I guess the GOP establishment hopes to channel their base’s hate of them into the Fiorina candidacy. They probably want a Bush/Fiorina ticket.

  758. 758
    Alex S. says:

    @Cervantes:

    And Tom Cotton apparently hates the Iran Deal like noone else.

  759. 759
    Matt McIrvin says:

    @gene108:

    I find the rise of Donald J. Trump reassuring. It has torn the mask off of the Republican Party in two ways. One he plays to the Id of the base, with regards to immigration, but he also has “gone off script”. Publicly trashing the Iraq War, saying he will raise taxes a lot on the super rich, preserve or strengthen Social Security and Medicare, and coming out in favor of a minimum wage has thrown the GOP for a loop, because they have become dogmatically tied to tax cuts solve everything and Social Security and Medicare must be privatized they do not know how to respond to Trunp on the economy.

    I don’t find it reassuring, because I don’t think the Democrats know how to respond to it either. The working-class white voters that Democrats keep wanting to get: what are they going to like more, economic populism, or economic populism plus hating Mexicans? Hillary and Bernie just give you one, at most; The Donald gives you both!

    Obama proved that you can win without those votes, but only if you can energize minorities to turn out massively, which I don’t see the current Democrats doing. Trump can probably get a lot of Hispanics to turn out against him, but can those voters beat a wave of white bigots motivated to turn out against them? The R base is going to be way more excited about him than they were about Romney or McCain.

    I am feeling a little better about Bernie Sanders this morning, just because his Twitter performance during the debate suggests that he could be the one to deliver the “at long last, have you no sense of decency?” kind of treatment that all this deserves. With a lot of sarcasm. But there’s no guarantee it’ll work.

  760. 760
    Morzer says:

    @Matt McIrvin:

    I think the Donald is actually the perfect GOP candidate (from a Democratic point of view) to hold the Obama coalition together for Hillary. At the same time, an awful lot of Republicans are clearly repulsed by him. I don’t think he’s going to get their nomination – but if he did, I think the Democrats would benefit yuuugely.

    If the Donald doesn’t get the nomination, I suspect the GOP base will be sufficiently disappointed by whatever “moderate” triumphs over their latest hero that turnout among them would be somewhat depressed, which is another win for Team Hillary.

  761. 761
    Cervantes says:

    @Morzer:

    Holy Mother Mary – Pope Frankie is going full-on Communist:

    Well, sort of.

    Anyhow, in the full interview, he alludes to Malaysia (and other nations):

    Q: What do you think of the varied reactions in Europe at the moment? Some want to build walls, others favor refugees according to their religion, yet others make demagogic speeches for political advantage.

    A: Ideology is a part of culture, and sometimes ideological battles are easier to fight than real ones. Looking farther than Europe, there is another phenomenon which is hurting me deeply: the Rohingya, expelled from their country, try to leave in their little boats. When they reach a port or a beach, they are fed and given water, but then they are sent out to sea again, not welcomed. It seems we are unable to welcome humanity.

    (Caveat: My translation.)

  762. 762
    Cervantes says:

    @OzarkHillbilly:

    Like the guy who used his gun to drill a hole in the wall for his cable TV.

    You’ve got to be joking.

    You’re not?

    Don’t tell me.

  763. 763
    Elizabelle says:

    With you to drive this thread up to 800 comments.

    Thinking on last night: that debate was a dispatch from a dying and dysfunctional planet. They were telling us that black is green and other lies. That our president is a massive failure and that we have no allies in the world.

    It’s crazy talk. Presented on a dying medium. This blog skews midlife and up. Unless they’re political junkies, most Americans were not glued to that debate, and unless they’re GOP already, they thought that was excessive and crazy.

    We live in a world where a cool, slender little Muslim kid builds a digital clock, takes it to school, gets arrested, and then — when news gets out on SOCIAL media — gets invited to the White House, to NASA, to JPL, to MIT, and attracts a flock of admirers.

    That’s the world we at BJ want to live in, that’s the world that most voters who would vote for a non-crazy person want to live in. It’s the future. It’s the present. It’s what’s real.

    I’m thinking that most people who see a lot of that debate — not the carefully polished soundbites that are being served up — will shudder.

    Also, as david koch notes, Hillary had a great night on Jimmy Fallon. And Bernie’s out doing interviews. He was just on CNN.

    It will be hard, but I think better than even odds we’ll get a favorable vote in 2016.

  764. 764
    David Koch says:

    @Morzer:

    At the same time, an awful lot of Republicans are clearly repulsed by him.

    I think only the elites we see on tee vee are repulsed. The rank and file love him.

    “Bush’s position w/ GOP electorate in Florida is so weak he trails Trump 55/38 when the 2 r matched up head to head” – @ppppolls #LowEnergy

    Jeb! loses his own home state by 17 points in a one-on-one match-up against Trump. PPP has found wider results in NH and SC.

    Trump mania is running wild in the streets. It’s yuuuuuuge.

  765. 765
    Morzer says:

    @David Koch:

    I should have said that although a lot of Republicans are repulsed by Trump, it’s clear that the aggrieved, paranoid, Tea Party side of things sees him as the whipping they’ve longed to deal out to their RINO traitors for decades now. I don’t think they can get Trump the nomination – but I am sure they’ll try their damnedest. I could see them taking it all the way to the convention and even splitting the party if things go sour enough.

  766. 766
    Elizabelle says:

    Did the topic of Ahmed Mohamed come up last night?

    Because those debaters would have been on the side of the tech-ignorant English teacher, the school authorities and the police.

    They’d still be calling it a “hoax bomb” — as the Irving Police Chief still does — even though (1) it’s a clock; (2) the school did not long think it was a bomb — no evacuation; (3) the child did not say it was a bomb — there was no threat from his end, so how can it be a hoax? And it’s already not a bomb.

    Hope the chief stayed out of the cafeteria kitchen. If he saw spilled confectioners’ sugar, it would be “hoax anthrax”, and you can’t tell him differently.

    Anyway, those debaters live in a world where what the school did is great because FREEDOM and BE SCARED OF EVERYTHING.

  767. 767
    Elizabelle says:

    @Cervantes: Thank you for the kind words.

    Realized, as coffee was brewing, that debates like last night are just what you can talk with undecided and infrequent voters about. They probably don’t want to live in that world either.

    Saw a tiny bit of Trump’s call in to MSNBC (Mika) this morning, and he does not believe in climate change.

    So that all kind of inspires me.

    Plus talking about how Meg Whitman blanketed the California airwaves — saturation bombing — and still lost to a good message by Jerry Brown.

    Just gonna take a lot of work and working around the media to win 2016. I think and hope the Dem could have big coattails. If the GOP base is sick of the do nothing GOP establishment, it’s not likely the nonGOP voters have not noticed that as well.

  768. 768
    Central Planning says:

    800 or bust! Just doin’ my part.

    My new favorite FB page: Christians Against Drugs… “When Jesus knocks on your back door, will you let him come inside? You can’t enter Heaven unless Christ enters you!”

  769. 769
    Matt McIrvin says:

    @Elizabelle: Specifically, Trump says climate science is a Chinese plot. It was the Chicoms all along, pulling the strings at NOAA and NCAR!

    Never mind that the industries we’re going to have to wind down to fight climate change are killing the Chinese faster than anybody.

  770. 770
    Cervantes says:

    @Central Planning:

    That’s quite enough about your part.

    How’s the kid doing at school?

  771. 771
    beltane says:

    #777 and counting!

  772. 772
  773. 773
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Central Planning:
    I suspect a spoof. No, really.

    I’ll freely admit that I am not the world’s foremost expert on recreational drugs. But users don’t inject “the marijuanas” into their veins, do they? And since when was Lindsay Lohan known as Taylor Swift? That is some truly inspired nonsense.

  774. 774
    Morzer says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    You don’t think that Jesus coming inside someone’s backdoor is enough of a clue?

  775. 775
    Paul in KY says:

    @Right to Rise: That’s gotta be you, DougJ!

  776. 776
    Amir Khalid says:

    @Morzer:
    One could plausibly attribute that to, shall we say, innocence about certain life experiences.

  777. 777
    Central Planning says:

    @Cervantes:

    How’s the kid doing at school?

    Thanks for asking. He’s doing great. Classes are interesting, he’s making friends, and has just brief text message exchanges with me. He and a friend have been going to ballroom and tango lessons (to meet girls), and the campus just started playing humans vs. zombies. I had this exchange with him:

    CP: Are you doing humans vs. zombies?
    Son of CP: Yeah
    CP: H or z?
    SoCP: I’m a zombie now. Started out a human.
    CP: That wasn’t long. What happened?
    SoCP: Followed orders.
    CP: You know who else followed orders?
    SoCP: Nazis.

    I’ve trained him well :)

  778. 778
    Central Planning says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    I suspect a spoof. No, really.

    Mariguanas cracks me up every time I read it.

    The “What’s really in a nug?” is funny too. Smallpox, agent orange, “GMO”

  779. 779
    Cervantes says:

    @Central Planning:

    That sounds great!

    Glad all is well and that you’re in touch.

  780. 780
    Paul in KY says:

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): If they can’t be ‘self-critical’, then you need to fill in for them with criticism!

  781. 781
    DanR2 says:

    After watching about an hour of that “debate,” I’d say Hillary is looking really really good.

  782. 782
    Paul in KY says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Have heard that happen with some animals, but never a human.

  783. 783
    Paul in KY says:

    @Morzer:Secretariat was a big favorite in all 3 year races. Carly probably doesn’t know that, or care.

  784. 784
    Morzer says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Once again, Obama has failed you

  785. 785
    Paul in KY says:

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Maybe a Freudian slip there….

  786. 786
    Elizabelle says:

    @DanR2: From your lips!

    I think so too.

  787. 787
    Central Planning says:

    @Morzer:

    Once again, Obama has failed you

    Numbers don’t go high enough to count that.

  788. 788
    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Central Planning:

    Numbers don’t go high enough to count that.

    Although this thread is definitely giving it the old college try.

  789. 789
    Morzer says:

    @Paul in KY:

    I’ll tell you something else Carly doesn’t know: Helen “Penny” Chenery, Secretariat’s owner, has been a Democratic donor for the last 20 years of her very long life.

  790. 790
    Central Planning says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Although this thread is definitely giving it the old college try.

    I know! So close…

  791. 791
  792. 792
    Paul in KY says:

    @NotMax: Pervo was one of those asshole Sackville-Bagginses.

  793. 793
    I'mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet says:

    What? Still not at 800? Slackers…

    Cheers,
    Scott.

  794. 794
    Paul in KY says:

    @Morzer: I knew I liked her! She is a class lady.

    Edit: Morzer & I coming thru for 800!

  795. 795
    Central Planning says:

    @I’mNotSureWhoIWantToBeYet:

    What? Still not at 800? Slackers…

    Bingo!

    ETA: Dammit.

  796. 796
    Morzer says:

    @Paul in KY:

    She’s amazingly venerable – born in 1922, and last donated to the GOP in 1996!

  797. 797
    Paul in KY says:

    @Morzer: That’s pretty damn old. My dad was born in 1924 & still truckin.

    Edit: And a lifelong hater of the GOP!

  798. 798
    Amir Khalid says:

    This must be the longest comment thread I’ve ever seen here.

  799. 799
    Morzer says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Ah, what a rich education your naive young self is receiving tonight!

  800. 800
    Applejinx says:

    I’m still waiting for someone to bring up Dildo Baggins.

  801. 801
    Cervantes says:

    @Morzer:

    I’ll tell you something else Carly doesn’t know: Helen “Penny” Chenery, Secretariat’s owner, has been a Democratic donor for the last 20 years of her very long life.

    Nowadays she supports the Democrats, you’re right, but in the past she has supported Republicans, including Mitch McConnell (which perhaps makes sense).

    PS: And I imagine you’re right, too, that Fiorina is unaware of all this — but I don’t think it matters: what she implied is that she is inspired by the horse, not the owner.

  802. 802
    Paul in KY says:

    @Cervantes: I do give somewhat of a pass to real rich people who vote GOP. They do have selfish fiscal reasons for voting for them.

    Unlike the poor single issue nimrods who vote GOP. Which, for them, is like a chicken voting for Col. Sanders.

  803. 803

    Will this thread reach a 1000 by lunch time?

  804. 804

    1000 by lunch time? I say the probability is less than 0.5

  805. 805
    Elizabelle says:

    @Morzer: So glad to hear about Mrs. Penny Chenery.

    Thanking her for supporting the Democrats, and wish her a continued long life of happiness and prosperity.

    Oh. And another great horse.

  806. 806
    Morzer says:

    @Cervantes:

    I quite like the idea of a Trump attack ad pointing out that Secretariat the horse is owned by a Democratic donor… would Secretariat the supposed Republican also be owned by her secret Democratic backers? Cue the melodramatic music and so on.

  807. 807
    Elizabelle says:

    You heard it first from Andy Borowitz: Fact Checking Reveals G.O.P. Debate Was Four Per Cent Fact

    SIMI VALLEY, CALIFORNIA (The Borowitz Report)—A thorough fact checking reveals that Wednesday night’s Republican Presidential debate was four per cent fact, fact checkers reported Thursday morning.

    I trust Borowitz over Glenn Kessler any damn day of the week.

  808. 808
  809. 809
    Cervantes says:

    @Morzer:

    If you can get Trump to fall for that, you’re better at sales than I am.

    (Of course, you may be better at sales regardless.)

  810. 810
    joel hanes says:

    @Applejinx:

    I have no solution at all for the male-brain-demons


    This thing all things devours:
    Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
    Gnaws iron, bites steel;
    Grinds hard stones to meal;
    Slays king, ruins town,
    And beats high mountain down.

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    tybee says:

    @Applejinx:

    you need to find a copy of “Bored of the Rings”.

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