Late Night Open Thread: Bonfires of the Vanity Candidate

Ernie Boch Jr. is a mostly harmless local moke who inherited a used-car empire from his old man and has managed not to run it into the ground. Naturally, he considers Donald Trump — who vastly increased the few millions he inherited into the current showy enterprise — a Great Man, a visionary, a role model for us lower beings. Boch got a certain amount of free media over the weekend by throwing an avowedly nonpartisan, nonprofit “raucus rally” for Trump at Ernie’s bucolic estate.

Ben Jacob’s description, in the Guardian, of “Donald Trump’s Seduction: A Huge Fanbase” is too good not to share…

As Donald Trump left the stage at Ernie Boch’s mansion in suburban Boston on Friday night, attendees clawed at him, shouting for attention, for handshakes and, of course, for selfies.

Despite the requirement for attendees to make out $100 checks to his presidential campaign, the Republican frontrunner insisted the event was not a fundraiser…

Boch brought in what he called “the world’s best cover band” and provided an open bar, a wide range of entrees including lamb shanks and fish tacos, and a cake in the form of Trump’s signature baseball cap – motto: “Make America Great Again”.

In the same way their children would paw at One Direction or Taylor Swift, the mostly upper-middle-class New Englanders who made up the crowd could not hide their delight at the chance to meet the man who has upended the race for the White House.

Three days before, on a hot Tuesday afternoon in the heavily Catholic town of Dubuque, Iowa, the atmosphere was markedly less fancy. The venue, a convention center, looked nothing like Bosh’s ornate lawn party, as a largely blue-collar crowd lined up for hours to see and hear Trump speak…

In Dubuque, Bob Cooksley, a retired veteran from Sherrard, Illinois, told the Guardian: “I just like that he hasn’t been a politician, and doesn’t try to get re-elected as representative or senator or governor. He doesn’t have none of that.”…

Carl Semrow, 16, of Brodhead, Wisconsin, agreed: “He has very good American ideals to turn this country around, such as capitalism.”

On top of his business success, Trump’s bold persona steals hearts. Dino Rossi, of Newton, Massachusetts, envied what he saw as Trump’s fearlessness.

“Oh, I wish I had big nuts like him,” said Rossi. “He’s not afraid of anybody or anything. That’s pretty cool.”…

Sandra Murray, from Dubuque, told the Guardian: “We’ve definitely got a problem with immigration. I’ve heard there are 11 million illegal immigrants here, but I’ve also heard there are 30 million. Whether it’s 11 or 30, one million is too many.” …

“That’s just one scenario that got brought up on the news,” Murray said, adding that while she had not personally seen any negative effects stemming from illegal immigration in her community, she “did her research, and [knows] what’s out there”.

Clay Diciaula, a 21-year-old from Dodgeville, Wisconsin, shared such concerns. “Something needs to be done,” he said. “Can’t have people come in killing people like they have.”

Diciaula also criticised what he saw as a media distortion of Trump’s plan to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants. He thought journalists neglected to mention the fact that Trump plans on repatriating those migrants who have been law-abiding and well behaved – “the good ones”, Dicaula called them.

“Bringing them out is gonna make it easier to bring them back in,” he mused…

In Norwood, most guests were conservative Republican voters. A typical attendee was David Levesque of Warwick, Rhode Island, who had singlehandedly built a local chain of coffee houses, Brewed Awakenings. While Levesque told the Guardian he had voted for politicians in both parties, he said only two had previously excited him like Trump: Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin, who interviewed Trump for her show this weekend…

In Iowa, the crowd was far less politically engaged. When asked whom they had supported in the 2012 Republican primary, many Trump supporters answered: “George W Bush.” He last appeared on a ballot in 2004…

The common clay of the new West…






139 replies
  1. 1
    Mathguy says:

    “When asked whom they had supported in the 2012 Republican primary, many Trump supporters answered: “George W Bush.” He last appeared on a ballot in 2004…”

    Ladies and gentlemen, your GOP base!

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    Mr Stagger Lee says:

    Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat
    “Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad”
    America 1776-2020(If Tronald Dump Wins)
    We hardly knew Ye

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    redshirt says:

    “Singlehandedly built a chain of coffee houses…” Yep, literally did the plumbing and electrical work himself.

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    Nutella says:

    @redshirt:

    You didn’t build that!

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    I used to know a Jain family that lived in Norwood, there is even a Jain Temple in the town.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    This post is not telling me anything I don’t already know about the Donald. And I was already not going to vote for him next year if he is the Republican nominee.

    But I noticed the guests at Mr Bochs’ $100 a head garden party for Trump: nary a black person in sight.

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    Gin & Tonic says:

    @redshirt: A “chain.” Hmm. There are 5 in Rhode Island. That’s it. Pretty short chain.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Mathguy:
    McCain and Romney lost, so into the memory hole they go.

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    redshirt says:

    I bet Scott Brown voters at this Not-a-Fundraiser represented 98% of the audience.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @redshirt: Built the buildings and installed the windows too, I’ll bet.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @PurpleGirl: Served the customers, washed the dishes, scrubbed the toilets…

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    Suzanne says:

    @Mathguy: That part reminded me of the SNL “undecided voters” sketch.

    “When IS the election?!”

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    Phoenix_Rising says:

    +1 for the Mel Brooks, because you typed exactly what I was thinking.

    This guy, he’s starting to concern me a little.

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    jl says:

    ¿Que es mas Trumpo? Mas importante, Quien. ¿Quien es mas Trumpo?

    Canadian Wall? Corporate delivery service immigrant tracking? Everyone has to pass an American Values test?

    Perdedores, idiotas.

    ¡Trump es mas Trumpo, Trump es maximo Trumpo!

    Only Trump has… Trumpismo.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @jl: American Values test? Is it only open to the Values Voters crowd of wingnuts?

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    NotMax says:

    Wonder how Boch feels about the Detroit automotive bailout?

    One thing on the must do list while I’m in NYC is to stroll by and hock a loogie at the Trump tower.

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    sigaba says:

    @Gin & Tonic: 5 is a legit number, more than I could stand to run, anyways. It’s exactly these kinds of people that are your bedrock conservative monsters — it’s not the billionaires, it’s the mittelstand, the guys that run the used car dealerships and the die factory that has a million in revenue every year, and the owner is constantly calling himself a “millionaire” on account of this.

    These are the people who founded the John Birch Society, these are the people that backed McCarthy to the bitter end. They would happily back satan himself, even if satan promised to send half the country to perdition, as long as he promised to take the trade unionists first.

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    redshirt says:

    Seems foolish to me for any business to publicly commit to a political candidate – left or right. Either way, you’re pissing off a bunch of potential customers.

    I know I make a note for which businesses are supporting Republicans, and will never do business with them if I can help it.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman:

    It seems from the next that a lot of non-Masshole, non-NH voters were there.

    Scotty Playgirl will probably be driving his truck down to RI soon enough. Take heed!

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    Mike in NC says:

    @efgoldman: One of the best things I miss about RI is Del’s Lemonade. Plus D’Angelo sub shops.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman:

    Why here and not closed papermill country? In fact, I think he’d probably do better up yonder than down here – not that he’d win anything, just better.

    Scott Brown’s powers only work within Massachusetts or states bordering Massachusetts.

    For obvious reasons, Vermont is out. So that leaves RI and CT next for Senator Brown to not conquer. Also, New York, watch out.

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    karen marie says:

    @Mike in NC: Gray’s Ice Cream in Tiverton. Ginger is one of their standard flavors. Incredible in a hot fudge sundae.

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    sigaba says:

    @Origuy: I saw that. Both Last House On the Left‘s remain on the top of my list of fundamentally disturbing films.

    We’ve still got Clive Barker, though; I think Hellraiser needs a reboot…

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: NY ain’t so great.

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    andy says:

    @redshirt: It’s the sure sign of an amateur, that’s for sure.

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    Lamh36 says:

    don’t worry Anne, Didn’t you hear, Kanye West announced he’s running for Presidentin 2020…he’ll save us all from President Trump after 4 years…lol

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    NotMax says:

    @efgoldman

    In fairness, “Vaguely Bagel-like Substance” didn’t fit on the label.

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    David Koch says:

    No, I would bet Sen. Man on Dog has a Kennedy wall.

    Rick Santorum defended his comment that President John F. Kennedy’s 1960 speech about the importance of the separation of religion from government “makes him throw up.”

    “To say that people of faith have no role in the public square? You bet that makes you throw up. What kind of country do we live that says only people of non-faith can come into the public square and make their case?” Santorum said Sunday at a campaign event here in Michigan’s Upper Peninsula.

    ***

    Santorum, who is also Catholic, said the Kennedy speech was part of an effort to begin to “force God out of the public square.”

    After referencing his appearance on the Sunday show, Santorum told the crowd here that the news media was shocked he would make such a statement.

    “How dare you say that John F. Kennedy speech in Houston was something that makes you sick,” he said. “Why? Because he said this. ‘I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute.’ That is France, not America.”

    Kooky Ricky had just won a bunch of states in the south and polls showed him ahead of Mittens in Michigan and tied in Ohio. Just when it looked like he could block Mittens the kook self-destructed by going on national tee vee and repeatedly saying a beloved martyr makes him “throw up”. Even the teatards thought that was beyond the pale.

    And like that he was gone.

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    Redshift says:

    Donald Trump — who vastly increased the few millions he inherited into the current showy enterprise

    Or alternatively, who increased his inheritance about the same amount as if he had invested it in an index fund. Though I’ll admit that wouldn’t be as “showy.”

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    RK says:

    “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Trump’s favorite passage from his favorite book.

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    msilaneous says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Yes, but it’s Rhode Island, so 5 pretty much covers the entire state. Another Roe Dylinda here. : )

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    Redshift says:

    @David Koch: I doubt they cared. He didn’t flame out, he just followed the same trajectory as all the other not-Romney candidates. That’s why he’s gone nowhere this time around – despite the GOP history of favoring the second-place finisher from the previous cycle, he wasn’t a real second, he just happened to be in the seat when the music stopped.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Gin & Tonic: Hey, I ain’t had no complaints from the laydees, nomsayn?

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    benw says:

    Well, Bernie Sanders has very good American ideals to turn this country around, such as socialism. Oh, I’ve also heard he has very, very big nuts, too.

    SANDERS 2016

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    jl says:

    Ha ha! Santorum is weak, weak! ¿Quien es mas Trumpo?

    Christie defends plan to monitor immigrants like FedEx tracks parcels

    “I don’t mean people are packages, so let’s not be ridiculous,”

    http://news.yahoo.com/christie.....nance.html

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    sigaba says:

    @David Koch: You have to sortof wonder how Santorum understands the Kennedy speech. He’s looking at it from the perspective of a 2015 politician, who simply takes for granted that Americans are open to voting for a catholic, and that conservative catholics, protestants and evangelicals are obviously united on all social issues. Neither of these things were true in 1960.

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    redshirt says:

    @jl: Barcode tattoos will be fashionable in our immigrantless future.

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    RK says:

    Well, Bernie Sanders has very good American ideals to turn this country around, such as socialism. Oh, I’ve also heard he has very, very big nuts, too.

    Yes Pecan?

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    msilaneous says:

    @efgoldman: They are ubiquitous, aren’t they? lol

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    jl says:

    @redshirt: You are implicitly criticizing Chrimp Chrimpie’s plan, you are implicitly ridiculous. He knows good people, the best! He’s admitted he has no clue what the CEO will come up with, but it will fantastic, classy and Trumptastic. Business! Deals! Outta da box!

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    benw says:

    @jl: Seriously! Packages are very important and need to be treated carefully and not destroyed!

    @RK: Chestnuts, I think.

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    redshirt says:

    @efgoldman: Bluetooth enabled dentures.

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    sigaba says:

    @efgoldman: Most of the things that Santorum would consider bedrock Christian values are, for most of his potential supporters, about 35 years old. Indeed most evangelicals and protestant teaching was the exact opposite of the Catholic position until about 1980.

    Nowadays evangelicals are perfectly okay with catholics running their moral lives–provided they are ignoring the present pope–but fortunately for them there are a lot of catholics who will happily pass themselves off as evangelical cafeteria catholics. See also: Bobby Jindal.

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    jl says:

    Bunch of losers and dum dums here. That’s what. No tienes nada Trumpismo.

    We need a score card to keep track of the GOPers who tick off each separate dimension of El Trumpo (Edit, in a pathetic attempt) to prove their Trumpismo.
    Could make it like bingo game. With prizes.

    Edit: could put one up at the top of the blog.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @redshirt: I do the same. Not that I would have deigned to eat Papa John’s crappy pie before he came out as a wingnut, but now I make it a point to tell less discerning pals who might have accidentally supported Schnatter’s retrograde politics to direct their crap pizza dollars elsewhere!

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    Anoniminous says:

    I still stand athwart Trumpmania, yelling You’ve GOT to be Kidding, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.

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    Redshift says:

    @Betty Cracker: I do, too, but the restaurant industry seems to be rife with wingnuts. It can be tough to find a place to eat where you can be sure your dollars won’t go to help support a wingnut candidate.

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    Redshift says:

    @sigaba: And it’s particularly galling that evangelicals became anti-abortion because some of their leaders realized it could help them gain political power. And then made up a lie about how they were driven to it by Roe v. Wade.

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    east is east says:

    Why is redshirt still around here? I thought Cole told him to fuck off.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @sigaba:

    What evangelicals don’t know about Hebrew they make up in their ignorance of koine Greek. And Aramaic is Right Out.

    The scandal of the evangelical mind is that there is not much of an evangelical mind.

    Wrote Mark Noll (a self-professed evangelical) in 1995. In the ensuing twenty years the “not much” has reduced to “nothing.”

  52. 52
    jl says:

    @east is east:

    ” Cole told him to fuck off. ”

    Doesn’t Cole tell everyone to fuck off sooner or later?

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    NotMax says:

    @benw

    ChestnutsTrump’s Strife & Dumb Corps would think they’re like truck nuts, and hang them on their torsos.

  54. 54
    NotMax says:

    Code fail. Fixed.@benw

    Chestnuts

    Trump’s Strife & Dumb Corps would think they’re like truck nuts, and hang them on their torsos.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @Redshift: Evangelical politics was fueled by Brown vs. Bd of Education and the desegregation of public schools. Catholics piggy-backed that issue not so much because of desegregation but because they wanted vouches and other funding plans for their parochial schools. They hated paying for their schools as private schools and wanted public money for them.

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    east is east says:

    @jl: yes, I like him for that. He has put up for my nonsense for years. Never banned me.

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    east is east says:

    But I don’t like that certain person. Just a feeling.

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    NotMax says:

    @Anoniminous

    Case in point.

    Some Louisiana residents panicked when they found a sign written in what they thought was Arabic. It turned out to be Hebrew.…
     
    Residents in the small Louisiana community of Gardner contacted both the local sheriff’s department and the media to report signs they believed may have contained a terrorist threat written in Arabic. Source

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    jl says:

    All 52 Miss America introductory videos.

    I watched a few. On average, not as hot and classy as Miss USA, but, you know, Trump rules!
    (edit: I didn’t check whether they are as yoooge. I watched them for talent and mission statements, thank you very much)
    I found the snarky comments of the reviewer to be uncivil and mean spirited.

    My favorite is Miss Arkansas. She does her video in front of dinosaur, in front of some museum with the name Clinton on it, and her cause is eliminating low self esteem and domestic violence. Obvious liberal, and edgy.. I hope she wins. I am rooting for Miss Arkansas.
    Hawaii was good. I couldn’t watch Miss California’s all the way through. I want to root for my home state, but…
    i’ll try to get through the whole thing later and render a verdict, maybe I am just grouchy tonight.

    Here She Comes: We Rank all 52 of the Miss America Contestant Videos
    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/ranking-miss-america-contestant-videos-127789597820.html

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    magurakurin says:

    @Redshift:

    Index fund. Hell, T-bills would have worked the same. And even if he did work from the “few millions” he got from his dad (his father’s company was estimated to be worth 200 million in 1984 when young Donald took control) I’m pretty sure I could have turned a few million into quite a bit more as well. Anyone could. The point is that few people are ever given “a few million” and those who are pretty much are the text book definitions of “privileged class” and the opposite of “self made man”

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    east is east says:

    @magurakurin: Yup, he inherited 14,000 rental units in New York. That’s a start most of us don’t get.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl

    IIRC, the Miss USA pageant doesn’t have a talent competition at all.

    Wouldn’t want to chance any of the ladies inadvertently showing they might be capable of doing anything as well or better than a man, after all.

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    Ruckus says:

    @magurakurin:
    I thought I read that his start was 40 mil. Was that the cash in his trust fund and the 200 mil was the evaluation of the company? Or is there no 40 mil?

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    jl says:

    @NotMax:

    ” IIRC, the Miss USA pageant doesn’t have a talent competition at all. ”

    Seriously? Is that kind of thing still allowed?
    I guess I watched sometime or other, but forget what they did.
    Has it always been that way?

    What do they do, just parade around in different costumes?

    Edit: I didn’t watch all the videos that were in the top ten, but I thought some of them were very good. One very nice one by a nurse.

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    east is east says:

    @NotMax: I, myself, like women who don’t pack themselves in makeup.

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    Anoniminous says:

    @NotMax:

    Cretins. The lot of ’em.

    Thank you for the link. I collect such things for use at appropriate times.

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    NotMax says:

    @east is east

    Oblique music cue for the Chad Mitchell Trio.

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    jl says:

    Here’s an idea, and RNC might go for it if they get desperate enough. Replace the GOP Trumpwannabes with the smarter Miss America contestants.

    And you know, Trump would have to run on a third party ticket after he lost to a Miss America contestant.
    Let’s write the RNC and git ‘er done!

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    east is east says:

    @NotMax: horrible song. not funny at all

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    redshirt says:

    @east is east:

    Why is redshirt still around here? I thought Cole told him to fuck off.

    Wow do I have my first BJ enemy? Is it you, east is east?

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    east is east says:

    Oh well. I like John Cole. Don’t trust that other one. Glad to wake up with my Irish girl. Not much else matters,

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    magurakurin says:

    @Ruckus:

    That could be correct. He didn’t actually inherit any money until, I believe it was 98 or ’99 when his father died. But he took control of the company in 1984. He may well have been given a 40 million trust fund as well. The value of his father’s company, I guess, can only be estimated to its exact value when Donald got his hands on it. Either way, born on third base.

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    east is east says:

    @redshirt: Well, Cole said fuck you. He must have had a reason.

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    east is east says:

    Do you like apples?

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    redshirt says:

    @east is east: I do, but I’ve developed an allergy since age 30, so I no longer eat them. :(

    It’s like a metaphor.

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    east is east says:

    I think you’re lying. A sudden allergic to apples. yea, right..

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    MomSense says:

    @NotMax:

    My son and I took a selfie giving it the finger.

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    NotMax says:

    @MomSense

    Bravo! Brava!

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    east is east says:

    @redshirt: good luck. Peddle your bullshit.

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    redshirt says:

    @east is east: lol. I do have a BJ enemy!

    Good luck in the future, friend. :)

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    east is east says:

    yup. can’t wait till Cole tells you fuck you for slamming his site for no reason at all

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    JGabriel says:

    The Graundian:

    While Levesque told the Guardian he had voted for politicians in both parties, he said only two had previously excited him like Trump: Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin …

    I’m trying to imagine what kind of Democrat a New Englander who gets excited by Sarah Palin would vote for. All I’m coming up with is maybe he moved to RI from from Louisiana where he voted for David Duke when that asshole tried to get into the 1988 Democratic primaries?

    It’s stuff like this that makes me wanna bang my head against a wall for a month. Or better yet, Levesque’s head.

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    joel hanes says:

    @Redshift:

    evangelicals became anti-abortion because some of their leaders realized it could help them gain political power.

    Same thing for Roman Catholics, about a century and a half earlier.

    Up until 1820, the RC Church was fine with abortion before “ensoulment”,
    usually held to occur at “quickening”, or when the mother first felt the fetus move within her,
    generally about the end of the first trimester.

    The change of stance to universal anti-abortion was done to cement political support,
    and the theological arguments were an after-the-fact rationale.

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    MomSense says:

    @NotMax:

    First we went in and rode the escalators.

    ETA stupid phone doesn’t like escalators

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    redshirt says:

    @east is east:

    yup. can’t wait till Cole tells you fuck you for slamming his site for no reason at all

    lol.

    wow you’re precious!

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    east is east says:

    @east is eastbut you’ve got nothing to say about that, do you?

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    east is east says:

    yea, he kicked your ass. You’ll just need to live with it.

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    east is east says:

    no match. I’m outta here. Cole already told you where to go. He’s got your number.

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    east is east says:

    @redshirt: pathetic.

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    Ruckus says:

    @magurakurin:
    Nah, born one foot away from home plate, running, and the opposing team was having a group toidy/water break. If he fell down he’d have had a homer. I just think it’s interesting that if he had a company based on real estate, worth 200 mil and a 40 mil trust fund, that he’s only been able to turn that into just less than 3 bil in 30 yrs. His dad owned/controlled a lot of property that was worth a bunch then and should have risen in value a lot, just by holding on to it should be worth about 2.6 bil now, not counting any improvements nor rental cash flow. He should be worth more than he is if he did nothing. Maybe he really isn’t all that much of a businessman. Maybe, business buffoon would be more appropriate.

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    Ruckus says:

    @redshirt:
    Some of us can be obnoxious without trying.
    Some are obnoxious by trolling badly.
    Some really just try to be obnoxious.
    So, another addition to the pie filter.

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    Ian says:

    @efgoldman:

    Also known as Senator “My wife had a medically necesary abortion, but you poor ignorant women are incapable of making that decision” Santorum

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    BillinGlendaleCA says:

    @Ruckus: A comment that would fit into the ‘Tommy’ discussion in the previous thread. Well said, LMAO.

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    Jordan Rules says:

    @east is east: Bwaaahahaaa, you barely read J.G. Cole.

    And, he’s an open-minded, change-of-heat type dude too.

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    Tokyokie says:

    @Betty Cracker: I don’t eat pizza, so I can’t very well boycott Papa John’s. But after seeing a couple of his commercials, I knew his pizza was awful. Schnatter’s presence in his TV commercials is absolutely creepy, yet he does them because he obviously regards himself as charming and lovable. That nobody in his organization dared to tell him the truth indicates that he’s loaded up the company with syncophantic yes-men. And those types of organizations produce inferior products.

    And the same reasoning, I must say, can be used in regard to Trump’s hairstyle.

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    Just One More Canuck says:

    Trump, con el Corazon de perro! Senor Trump! El diablo con dinero

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    Gindy51 says:

    @David Koch: Trump could say it now and be applauded….

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    Boch has a reputation in metro Boston as being the sort of sleazy car dealer who makes sleazer car dealers look bad.

    I think my parents had a fight over the fallout of just visiting his showroom.

    And his ads suck, too.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Mike in NC: When was D’Angelo’s good? When they came to Mass they were a public health hazard. One dreamed of Subway.

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    Zinsky says:

    As I always tell my wife, 80% of Americans are too dumb to function effectively in a representative democracy.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @PurpleGirl: And they’re winning. It’s gross.

    Catholic church stepped up their efforts when millions of families quit, thus depriving them of revenue, AND they had settlement bills to pay.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @east is east: Thanks for your contribution, Kevin fucking Riley.

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    Punchy says:

    I love this idea that peeps support him as a politician b/c he’s never been a politician. Do they enjoy their newspaper delivery guy as their doctor b/c he’s never sewed a single wound? Do they also pine for their car mechanic to become their financial advisor, cuz “it’s something different”?

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    Mack says:

    Dr. Wayner Dyer has passed.

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    Ivan X says:

    @redshirt: reasonable people can disagree, as I will here with you: NYC is pretty great, in many ways. (So much so that I moved here.)

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    ribber says:

    Ernie Boch Jr. basically inherited the dealer empire (and has the exclusive distributorship for all Subarus in New England – i.e. not a dealer of Subarus but owns the distribution to all the dealers-yes, really) but wanted to be a literal rock star and spends his cash pretending he is one by buying out clubs for his band and sponsoring classic rock hours on radio stations.

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    Chris says:

    @sigaba:

    It’s exactly these kinds of people that are your bedrock conservative monsters — it’s not the billionaires, it’s the mittelstand, the guys that run the used car dealerships and the die factory that has a million in revenue every year, and the owner is constantly calling himself a “millionaire” on account of this.

    Yep.

    The zillionnaire class, from the few I’ve met, are mostly harmful because they’re oblivious, so sheltered they basically have no idea how the rest of the 99.999% live. The farther down the conservative totem poll you go, the more festering resentment and bitterness you find.

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    Chris says:

    @sigaba:

    You have to sortof wonder how Santorum understands the Kennedy speech. He’s looking at it from the perspective of a 2015 politician, who simply takes for granted that Americans are open to voting for a catholic, and that conservative catholics, protestants and evangelicals are obviously united on all social issues. Neither of these things were true in 1960.

    It’s kind of standard fare for a lot of conservatives to just assume that all the things they take for granted in modern America have always been there.

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    russell says:

    Boch is surely a git, but that is actually a really good band.

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    Chris says:

    @PurpleGirl:

    Evangelical politics was fueled by Brown vs. Bd of Education and the desegregation of public schools. Catholics piggy-backed that issue not so much because of desegregation but because they wanted vouches and other funding plans for their parochial schools. They hated paying for their schools as private schools and wanted public money for them.

    Is it possible civil rights played into the Catholic side of things too, though?

    I mean, the two big factions that make up the religious right are (most of) the evangelicals and (about half, the whiter and wealthier half) the Catholics.

    … That would, to a significant degree, overlap with “white rural and especially Southern voters” and “urban ‘ethnic white’ working class voters.” In other words, the people who benefited most from the New Deal and made up most of its popular base, but a generation later provided most of the “Nixon/Reagan Democrat” defections driven by white backlash.

    Maybe it’s just the same story in both cases; the entire community shifted right in the seventies, primarily over civil rights, and its churches just went along for the ride.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Chris:

    The zillionnaire class, from the few I’ve met, are mostly harmful because they’re oblivious, so sheltered they basically have no idea how the rest of the 99.999% live.

    Have you encountered liberals or progressives among the “zillionaire class”?

    Examples might include “millionaire socialist” Gaylord Wilshire (he of the Boulevard in LA), FDR, Sen. Ted Kennedy, and perhaps George Soros. Any others? What do you make of such people?

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    negative 1 says:

    @efgoldman: The original was in Johnston on route 5 near the route 10 exit, they built one near me on Sockanosset Cross in Cranston, another in Warwick on Bald Hill Rd. near the Land Rover dealership (that makes the whole area sound more upscale than it really is for you out-of-staters).
    I met him once (David) at a work event, he’s a nice enough guy and I’ll give credit where it’s due — it really is a chain, in the sense that he did a lot of the expansion all at once and getting a small business from one shop to 5 is really harder than going from 5 to 20. It’s just that my impression of him when I met him was that of a guy whose entire identity was tied up in ‘small business titan’. I wasn’t shocked to learn what a libertarian he was later on, and I’m not surprised he was at this event.

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    Chris says:

    @Cervantes:

    No, I was comparing specifically within the conservative community. Sorry, should’ve clarified.

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    catclub says:

    @Mack: With that last name, it is really to be expected.

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    wonkie says:

    Dino Rossi? Is that a common name? A Dino Rossi ran for Governor of Washington state as a Republican and lost in 2004. Haven’t heard anything about him since.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Punchy: There’s an assumption peculiar to the Reichwing that career pols are by definition ineffective, corrupt, and incapable of working for their constituent voters’ interests. “Politician” to these volk brings up images of the career grafter, in the pocket of Wall St. / K St / yoonyuns and totally oblivious to what their own voters back home want and need. Thus anyone who is in politics for the long haul is by definition suspect, while anyone parlaying a career outside politics into elected office is (at least superficially) trustworthy and honest. See Scott, Rick, et al, for examples of successful “outsider” types, and Bush, George W, for the career-pol-playing-outsider version.

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    CONGRATULATIONS! says:

    “Oh, I wish I had big nuts like him,”

    Today’s GOP in nine words.

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    g says:

    she “did her research, and [knows] what’s out there”.

    Yep, she did her research all right. Doesn’t know whether there are 11 million or 30 million, but she’s done her research.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @NotMax: Predictable wingnut fail. But then again wingnuts seem committed to preventing their constituents from being able to read English, so it’s just a matter of time before the same is true of more basic signage.

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    Tripod says:

    @boatboy_srq:

    Not peculiar to the rightwing. There’s a lot of true leftists (aka liberal white collar whites) who fall in love with a bright new shiny object every four years, and yarp about how corrupt the party establishment is when their chosen one gets nuked by voting Democrats.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Chris:

    I see. Thanks for clarifying.

    Still curious what you make of people like those I mentioned — what makes them progressive (if they are, despite their wealth)? And as “traitors to their class,” how are they marginalized by their conservative equivalents or by the media? — but these are different questions we can safely leave for another day.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Tripod:

    There’s a lot of true leftists who fall in love with a bright new shiny object every four years, and yarp about how corrupt the party establishment is when the chosen one gets nuked by voting Democrats.

    What “bright new shiny” objects are you thinking of? And is it your perception that the Democratic party establishment is not “corrupt” and regularly gives outsider candidates a fair shake (e.g., in debates)?

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    Cervantes says:

    @catclub:

    No cookie for you.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Tripod: @Tripod: True to an extent. Difference is that “outsider” GOTea pols often get elected, specifically due to their Outsiderism. Leftie Dem shiny object candidates don’t seem to fare so well – precisely because the Outsiderism isn’t so popular.

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    Paul in KY says:

    @jl: He told me to fuck off about 2 weeks after I started in here (in private email about something to do with the BJ Store).

    I felt I’d arrived then!

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    Chris says:

    @Cervantes:

    Well, in FDR’s case, I think what a lot of people point to his polio. Not that he wasn’t a liberal before it, but the argument is that that experience really did a lot to help him empathize with all kinds of unfortunate people, which helped to shape his New Deal era zealousness. I could see that.

    But more generally, I kind of figure it’s as simple as “not all people are assholes.” Being poor doesn’t make you a saint, or even a liberal, as we’re reminded every time we discuss these people who would willingly “live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it.” Same thing applies in reverse; being rich doesn’t necessarily mean you believe you “built that,” or that you don’t have an obligation to those who don’t share your good fortune, or that taxes and regulations on you are some kind of crime against humanity.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Chris:

    Even polio had its uses?

    Say, that gives me an idea …

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    Ruckus says:

    @Cervantes:
    What it doesn’t strengthen it kills. Or something like that.

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    Cervantes says:

    Ernie Boch Jr. is a mostly harmless local moke who inherited a used-car empire from his old man and has managed not to run it into the ground.

    Well, he got called “sexist” by even Harvey Mansfield, so I’m not sure if he’s mostly harmless — but there are worse people, that’s for sure.

    Naturally, he considers Donald Trump — who vastly increased the few millions he inherited into the current showy enterprise — a Great Man, a visionary, a role model for us lower beings.

    Naturally, as you say — and the Bochs were/are no pikers at being outlandish themselves.

    In Norwood, most guests were conservative Republican voters. A typical attendee was David Levesque of Warwick, Rhode Island, who had singlehandedly built a local chain of coffee houses, Brewed Awakenings.

    I think it’s silly to argue (as someone tried above) that Levesque’s five coffee shops do not constitute a local chain; plus I think “Brewed Awakenings” is a great name for it!

    About Norwood itself, the less I say the better.

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    chopper says:

    @east is east:

    who are you and what the fuck is this stupid bullshit about?

    so you’ve got an internet rage boner. who fucking cares.

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    phoebes-in-santa fe says:

    @Mack: Passed what? Fifth grade? His driving test?

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    Cervantes says:

    @phoebes-in-santa fe:

    Er … he died.

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    Matt says:

    @Redshift:

    “Nobody ever got laid putting money in the BANK!” –Russ Hanneman

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    SteveM says:

    IF YOU FIND A CAH WITHOUT A BOCH MINI-STICKUH PRICE, ASK FAW THE KEYS, IT’S YAW CAHHHH! MY NAME IS UHNNIE BOCH!

    Oh, this brought me back to my Boston childhood….

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    Rusty says:

    @wonkie: Wondering the same thing about Dino Rossi former two-time WA state candidate.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @SteveM: Boch Tie-yota! On the Automile! See Kramer, the Magical Donkey!

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    What Have the Romans Ever Done for Us? says:

    You know, morons. Blazing Saddles. Still hilarious and topical.

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