"I'm excited about the opportunity to change the status quo," Sam Clovis says – Trump's new national co-chair pic.twitter.com/cmmLxWRvqV
— Betsy Klein (@betsy_klein) August 25, 2015
Sam Clovis is the Perry campaign defector I wrote about Monday evening. Spoiler alert, he went for the quick dollar. In his defense, there’s some question whether there will be a Republican party once Trump gets through entertaining himself, so collecting one last fat fee might be the smart move right now.
Top Iowa state R said yesterday that Clovis announcing he was for sale "exactly the kind of thing that's bad for Iowa caucuses"
— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) August 25, 2015
What, just because The Donald is setting up his Iowa committee using the same highly successful methods that made Celebrity Apprentice such a money-spinner?
How Trump recruits staff in Iowa. "A stopwatch is involved." Pure gold from @tripgabriel: http://t.co/4kIcWtF97C
— Michael Barbaro (@mikiebarb) August 25, 2015
In related Everybody’s Talking About It mediatainment…
Donald Trump to Jorge Ramos: "Go back to Univision” http://t.co/TgDew3XpvJ pic.twitter.com/cZYLSKLXjr
— The New York Times (@nytimes) August 26, 2015
"This is the first time in my life, anywhere in the world, I've been escorted out of a press conf" —@jorgeramosnews http://t.co/3cS5IJCe9l
— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) August 26, 2015
Yoooogely popular move, very classy, according to the Trump supporters in the audience and elsewhere. Go back to Mexico Univision, loser! The Donald knows his people, and they don’t want “facts,” they want bombast. From the Fusion article:
… Later, Ramos was let back in to the press conference, and the two started to engage in a discussion, finally asking his question about how feasible Trump’s plan actually is. “Here’s the problem with your immigration plan: it’s full of empty promises,” Ramos said. “You cannot deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, you cannot deny citizenship to the children in this country.”
Specifically addressing his comments on “anchor babies,” Trump said, “there are great legal scholars, the top, who say that’s absolutely wrong.”
Trump also responded to Ramos’ comments that building a wall on the U.S.-Mexico border is impossible. “Very easy, I’m a builder… What’s more complicated [than building a wall] is building a building that’s 95 stories tall. Okay?”
Trump responded that he planned to deal with immigration problems “in a very humane fashion.”
“I have a bigger heart than you do,” he told Ramos. “I can’t deal with this,” he added after Ramos spoke back…
Jorge Ramos returns to Trump presser, asks about birthright citizenship. Are you going to deport babies?
— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) August 25, 2015
Ramos: 40 pct of immigrants come by plane. Trump: I don't believe that
— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) August 25, 2015
How are you going to deport 11 million? Trump: very humanely
— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) August 25, 2015
Not “It isn’t true” but “I don’t believe that”. When you’re Donald Trump, you can choose your own facts, amirite?!?
Mustang Bobby
There will be “Go Back to Univision” t-shirts on sale before the sun comes up.
Goblue72
Can he start by building this wall? : http://megagogo.co
NotMax
But does he have binders full of great legal minds?
BillinGlendaleCA
@Goblue72: That’s funny.
Amir Khalid
Let me repost from the previous thread:
and
Botsplainer
@NotMax:
He won’t care about legality – he’s a fascist.
If elected, he’d govern by executive fiat, ignore injunctions, set executive branch security against marshals acting pursuant to court order.
What you have to understand is that for society’s mechanisms to work, there has to be some element of voluntary compliance. As a total narcissist, Trump has been getting his way for years – you see it in his responses whenever he’s criticized. His demeanor and body language when he had Ramos ejected were telling, as are his grudges.
I’m grumpy right now – it helps me to focus the negative.
Joey Maloney
@Amir Khalid:
Part of it is, they’re stupid. They can’t read a census report or their own polling crosstabs, or having read them they don’t believe them because they aren’t truthy enough.
The other part of it is, they’re evil. The ones who are aware of changing demographics have a plan to keep a voting majority – it’s called disenfranchisement. The tactics are gerrymandering, mass incarceration, voter suppression, and so on. That plan will kick the can down the road until they’ve all cashed out and what the hell do they care what happens after that?
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Amir Khalid: The problem is that they have no way to get from here, being dependent upon those white voters, to there, being able to get the votes of the socially conservative people of color. If they start in that direction, they lose the former faster than they gain the latter, and so the brave new candidates get defeated in the primary by the troglodytes.
And I don’t think Trump’s supporters have really thought through what makes a good president. They just go with a first impulse.
raven
WTF, this is from Bruni in the Times?
Falwell died in 2007.
OzarkHillbilly
To be fair, the Donald isn’t the only person who feels that way.
Amir Khalid
@raven:
Good Christians get to come back from the dead?
seaboogie
I got yer Republican party righ cheer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOaCD_JNgkA
and Sam Clovis might have inspired me in more than one way, says she who has about 40 lbs of unintended avoirdupoids.
Also, the media is so complicit in this circus that it is beyond ridiculous. Everything is monetized these days. That’s just what is happening.
Baud
@Amir Khalid:
For Trump? Of course.
? Martin
@Amir Khalid:
The GOP is actually smart enough to not do this, which is why Congress hasn’t moved on it. Trump does not give a shit what the GOP wants or doesn’t want to do. In fact, I’d argue that one of Trump’s appeals is that he’s talking about things that the GOP base cares about but that the GOP is unwilling to address.
seaboogie
@raven: Welp, the NYT also has MoDo, Bobo, Chunky Bobo, and the Moustache of Understanding to opine on all of this too. Bruni’s just another one still in the mix for reasons unexplained. Why they don’t shit-can the lot of them and hire Taiibi, Digby and Pierce is beyond me. Molly Ivins’ bones are not resting easy, of this I am sure.
MattF
Facts, schmacts. ‘Facts’ have nothing to do with it. E.g.,
Uh, no. But that doesn’t matter.
BillinGlendaleCA
@? Martin:
I’m not sure if it comes down to smarts, more like lacking intestinal fortitude and their social conservative voters won’t punish them for inaction. Trump may signal a change in that calculus.
BillinGlendaleCA
@MattF: And none of the crack(or on crack) press corps asked for names of these “great legal scholars, the top”.
Jake Nelson
@raven: Jerry Falwell, Jr. took over Liberty University when his father died. Times style guide says leave off the Jr. for people whose fathers are no longer living, unless the father is mentioned in the article (I disagree with this practice, but Times style guide has a lot of bigger problems)
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I’m curious to see how many Trump wannabees come out for the House and Senate primaries. Haven’t heard much on that front yet.
raven
@Jake Nelson: thx
Botsplainer
@MattF:
Chances are high that his “top legal scholars” are guys like Larry Klayman and Mark Levin.
Eric
@MattF: You misunderstand. They are only ‘top’ ‘legal scholars’ because they say that.
Keep in mind, this probably includes Trump’s lawyer who is on record saying it is a definitional impossibility for a man to rape his wife.
OzarkHillbilly
I am shocked, shocked I tell you: Arrest rate in NFL lower than for general US population, ‘surprising’ study finds
The arrest rate for the general US population was nearly twice as high as for NFL players from 2000 to 2013, a new study has found, undermining a perception that football stars are more prone to bad behaviour.
That’s because the general population has a much higher percentage of white people. (tongue in cheek)
Nemo_N
CNN is fellating Trump for kicking Ramos out and declaring “the rules for politicians have changed”.
Eric
@OzarkHillbilly: Counterpoint- http://deadspin.com/watch-cris-carter-tell-nfl-rookies-to-get-a-fall-guy-1726009743
raven
@Nemo_N: Joe too.
Baud
@Nemo_N:
I remember when Obama tried to diss Fox News, and the media establishment jumped all over him in solidarity with Fox. IOKIYAR, indeed.
BillinGlendaleCA
Joe Scar says Jose Ramos was just trying to get his 15 minutes of fame. The panel agrees that Trump was right and handled it well.
raven
@BillinGlendaleCA: Yea, and he was screaming.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I haven’t seen the video. Did Ramos actually do anything unusual in the presser?
raven
@Baud: Trump was callling on someone else and Ramos, from the first row, began to ask questions. Ramos never screamed but he also was persistent.
Joe is just off the fucking rails, he’s asking Casey Hunt about it and then berating the shit out of her. Joe also continues to refer to Ramos in a very demeaning manner.
OzarkHillbilly
@Eric: Heh. Well if I was in the NoFunLeague I’d get a fall guy too.
Mustang Bobby
@Botsplainer:
Blurry contact lenses had me reading “guys like Larry, Moe, and Curly.” Seems about right that way.
Baud
@raven:
Thanks.
Mustang Bobby
@Baud: Apparently a Latino reporter asking a question is “screaming.”
raven
@Baud: Mika thinks Trump handled it “brilliantly”.
Baud
@raven:
I’m sure he was classy.
OzarkHillbilly
It was one of the most haunting images that emerged after 9/11: a woman covered in ash and powdered concrete fleeing the World Trade Center after the first plane struck the tower and brought horror to the heart of New York.
Marcy Borders was a 28-year-old Bank of America worker when the photograph of her staring into the lens with her eyes asquint and her mouth agape was taken. Borders, who came to be known around the world as “dust lady”, died on Monday at the age of 42 after a year-long battle with stomach cancer.
dmsilev
“We have top men working on it right now.”
“Who?!”
“Top… men.”
raven
Something about Joe railing about someone yelling and giving a lecture is pretty goddam funny.
different-church-lady
“First a sedative is administered,” Trump continued. “It’s very peaceful.”
BillinGlendaleCA
@raven: Well The Donald did let him back into the room.
OzarkHillbilly
@dmsilev: That was the quote that was rattling around in my brain, still can’t remember the movie.
Baud
@different-church-lady:
Ha. Don’t give him ideas.
BillinGlendaleCA
Oh gooddie, it’s the Demon Sheep lady. Wait, Joe likes the PPP Poll? WTF.
different-church-lady
a href=”#comment-5454917″>OzarkHillbilly:
Yes, but the general population has more yards after contact.
David Koch
@raven: Not surprising. He’s taken Trump’s side during every controversy.
MomSense
Listening to NPR and the correspondent just said the reason Trump doesn’t like Univision is because they cut ties with him after his strong statements about immigration. WTF NPR. Trump called immigrants from Mexico rapists. He has made more than strong statements.
Baud
@David Koch:
There have been other controversies involving Trump?
David Koch
Of course when Obama slaps down Major Garrett or Chuckles or Ed Henry when they ask patently offensive questions the Morng Blow crew takes their side over the President.
Funny how inconsistent they are.
Kay
@BillinGlendaleCA:
They’re such dopes. They can’t be watching these speeches. Trump includes media, all of them, in his rants against politicians. At his speech in Iowa yesterday he pointed out all the cameras (‘see all those red lights?”) and says the only reason they’re covering him is he’s good for ratings. He says “they’re not nice people- they don’t care about me, they don’t care about you, all they care about is ratings”. He tells them he should have demanded 10 million dollars for the Fox debate so he could donate it to charity- the American Cancer Society or aids research because he is “100%” of the reason they had 24 million viewers instead of 2 million viewers and they’re all making a lot of money. He says the debates are fake because politicians are fake and so are media. He talks about how Bush and Rubio say “my good friend” but they really hate each other because Trump knows Bush didn’t want Rubio to run and Rubio was Bush’s protege.
He’s telling them over and over “all of these people are lying to you”- that’s what every story he’s telling is really about- and that includes media.
Baud
@David Koch:
Beneath the dignity of the office.
different-church-lady
@OzarkHillbilly:
You’re welcome.
David Koch
@Baud: sure, there was the time Trump didn’t know whether to fire Meatloaf or Garry Busey over the Apprentice cooking fiasco.
Baud
@David Koch:
Heh. Good memories.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: I agree. Major Garrett, Chuckles, and Ed Henry are all “beneath the dignity of the office.”
Another Holocene Human
My bosses are like that. “No, that’s not right…” It’s like talking to a brick wall.
OzarkHillbilly
@different-church-lady: It came to me just before you posted, but thanx. Usually it takes hours for my brain to come out of lock down.
BillinGlendaleCA
@David Koch: These are difficult decisions, not sure how he can sleep.
Kay
@David Koch:
Yeah, well, Trump does a good ten minutes on how they’re all money-grubbing liars in cahoots with the politicians who are ruining America so they might want to step back and listen to what his fans are responding to. I think he mentioned Obama by name once in the speech. He does long, extended riffs on how media CEO’s “come to my office and sit in my chairs” and beg him to work for them.
Another Holocene Human
@Amir Khalid: It’s simple, the inmates have taken over the asylum, and nothing less than perfect purity (in pursuit of fascist unity) will be accepted. That’s why the Establishment is freaked. The rabble are ripping up the carefully stitched together Texan/W GOP coalition (it was forged deep in the buttcrack of Texas but ran nationwide).
But really, this was a question for 2010, when the GOP kicked Arab Americans out. Muslim Arab Americans to be sure. But I’m sure that a number of Catholics–not the really wingnutty ones, of course, and they were still protected (Infinite Benghazis was originally about taking heat off of a Coptic Christian who had helped instigate things with an unethically produced, utterly out of bounds “movie”)–who looked at that and saw all the bilge in conservative spaces and just quietly withdrew from national politics.
My wife’s best friend is, wouldn’t you know it, Syrian-American and Catholic. Her whole family are Republicans. She has been alienated from the Republican party for a while over social issues and voted for Obama. Even though I wouldn’t really call her a liberal (except on a couple of social issues–and there used to be a significant number of social issues liberal Republicans, like William Weld).
Good work, GOP.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: When I hear Trump speak, I’m getting the feeling it sounds better in the original German.
seaboogie
@Baud: And big. Very Big.
David Koch
I’m sure Mornng zoo thinks that’s classy; presidential.
MomSense
@BillinGlendaleCA:
We used to kid about Reich wing Republicans.
David Koch
¡Jebbie!, you’re doin a heck of job
What’s next putting out a video highlighting his connection to a failed S&L and the government bail out he received
¡Jeb! isn’t good at this.
Kay
@BillinGlendaleCA:
It’s really interesting, because I bet the “insider” view is a big draw. That’s what he’s doing- he’s telling them he’s inside this world and he’ll bring them in and tell them what’s really going on. I feel like liberals often miss that part of conservatism- all they hear is the exclusion- but conservative voters don’t see it as exclusion, they see it as inclusion, including THEM in the charmed circle of successful people, bringing them in not keeping other people out.
His rationale for why they’re not making any money is probably really attractive too. He says politicians are making bad deals with business people and other countries on their behalf. It isn’t “anti-business” (which conservatives would probably reject ) instead it’s that smart business people are (rightly- they’re about making money, which he approves of) running rings around politicians. It’s such an easy explanation for economic insecurity – the system would work if people had “wolves” on their side.
Another Holocene Human
@Botsplainer: You’re completely right. In fact, I believe a good chunk of his ardent supporters realize this. They foolishly believe, however, that he’s on their side.
Another Holocene Human
@Jake Nelson: Thanks for the explainer … and indeed that is really stupid. Do they leave off the Sr/Jr when discussing MLK pere and fils? That could lead to significant confusion.
What about JFK, Jr? Or did they leave his exploits to the tabloids?
Another Holocene Human
If my name were Jerry Falwell the Second, I would change my name. The court fees would be well worth it.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: And it never hurts to have a scapegoat. It’s those Mexicans, those Chinese, and those Japanese that are making better deals.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Another Holocene Human: Not if helps with the grift. That name’s like gold.
Another Holocene Human
@OzarkHillbilly:
Or reinforcing the widespread perception that sportsballers are getting a pass, because sportsball.
However, the proper comparison would be to their age tranche. NFL has gone so big they don’t pull the really young guys, so they only have part of that “young’n’stupid” demo that gets arrested all the time for stupid shit like criminal threats, bar fights, and botched attempts at larceny.
Would also like to see a comparison to their income level. In which case their arrest rate is probably higher because NFL is more likely to be from a lower class and thus not treated with the kid gloves that the born wealthy are.
Another Holocene Human
@OzarkHillbilly: Guh. Wow. RIP.
Kay
@David Koch:
I don’t care what they say, Trump is bad news for Bush. He turns him into a punch line and humor is the absolute worst weapon so early in his campaign. He’s actually mimicking Bush’s body language- slumping and motionless- and saying it means he’s “low energy”. He says “why doesn’t he use his last name?” and then says “because he’s ashamed of it”.
NonyNony
@Amir Khalid:
I’m not sure what you expect the party as an organization to do given that they have inherited a coalition that includes a substantial number of hardcore racists who vote purely on white identity politics. I suspect it’s at least a third of their coalition –
there’s a significant overlap between that group and the group that are self-professed evangelical Christians both for historic reasons and because the smarter racists know that it’s unacceptable to be a racist, but you can be a horrible human being and if you slap the label “Christian” on yourself everyone can pretend that your horrible racism is some kind of religious statement.
Anyway – that’s who they are. The only way the party organization could reject that is to outright throw a third of their coalition off the bus. They could forget about winning a whole lot of state elections if they threw out everyone who was voting purely for white identity politics reasons, nevermind their losses at the federal level.
Plus – there’s the fact that the party organization in the US only exercises control over politicians through two measures – the politicians and party bosses mutually agree that they’re working together to common ends or the party bosses have leverage over the politicians because they are a major funding source for campaigns. When the first fact is in question, party elites usually use the second to get people back in line. The Republican Party used to lean very heavily on the carrot and stick approach to campaign funding to keep people in line. But that isn’t working anymore and so they’re having to rely a lot more on the “Mutually Agreed Common Ends”. And 1/3 of their coalition thinks that one of those “Mutually Agreed Common Ends” is some measure of white supremacy. Those are the people they got into bed with in the 1970s and now they’re suffering a political STD that has been incubating for a good while.
Another Holocene Human
@Kay: Insightful analysis, but what I’m taking out of it is that we’re talking about some very gullible people here.
Another Holocene Human
@NonyNony: political syphilis. It has now attacked the brain. End stage.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: Also, jeb! and Marco hugging and kissing.
Kay
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Right, but they would hear that as “Mexicans, Japanese and Chinese are making better deals for Mexicans, Japanese and Chinese people in those countries”.
It isn’t just them either. He tells them he would call the CEO’s of Ford and Nabisco (two outsourcers) and make a deal with them to keep production in the US. I think food producers who rely on sugar and move to Mexico are moving because the US protects sugar – we have a candy maker here who has told me that, that he could make a lot more money in Mexico – so that’s kind of amusing in Iowa which is an agriculture state, but no matter! Better deals!
OzarkHillbilly
@Another Holocene Human:
They do.
kc
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Maybe one of them is Michael Cohen, Trump’s own lawyer . . . you know, the one who said it’s not illegal to rape your wife.
Kay
@Another Holocene Human:
I kept listening because I expected an attack on Democrats- Obama or Clinton- but he barely mentions Obama and he tacks on Clinton only after really going after Bush. Democrats don’t spend much time on him and now I kind of understand why.
Baud
@Kay:
I can see why the people who criticized Obama for Government Motors would support this.
kc
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Did Joe S actually call him “Jose?”
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: You see, Trump isn’t in bed with these auto and food execs like Obama; he’ll put a 35% tax on any of their stuff coming across the border. How? Fuck, he’ll just do it.
BillinGlendaleCA
@kc: That may be my typo, I’m not sure at this point.
debbie
@Kay:
Trump’s whole line on Ford is bogus, and I think he knows it. He keeps pointing to Ford as the one company who didn’t need a bailout, but as I recall, Ford didn’t need a bailout because they’d already taken out a huge loan on their own. Just like Trump, to screw with the facts.
Kay
@Baud:
I’ve thought all along that Trump supporters are Republicans who hate Democrats but also hate Republican policy. They hate Democrats more so they need a column “C” to save face. It’s a (more popular) variation on the “I’m a libertarian!” wing of the Party.
I wonder if they’ll revert to type, though. I thought they were uncomfortable with him going after Bush. No one responded to “he’s ashamed of his last name”, probably because all of them voted for GWB and Republican voters loved George W Bush. It was real affection. They’re still touchy about it here.
They have to be worried that he’s damaging Bush. This stuff is just brutal and it’s MORE brutal because there’s no malice when he delivers it.
JPL
@debbie: The bailout helped parts companies, that Ford uses. Although, they didn’t need the cash, without parts, they would not be in business. That’s why Ford supported the bailout.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Kay: Trumps comments on jeb! also have the advantage of being correct.
ETA: I should be in bed, but I’m waiting to see if the Ubuntu upgrade that currently is executing will work. Excuse any typos :).
Zinsky
As I have posted here before, deporting 11 million people is a physical impossibility. Do the math. A line of 11 million people, 10 people wide and rows spaced three feet apart would be 625 miles long. Second, how do you plan to move that many people, let alone process them? There aren’t enough buses or rail cars in the entire world to do that. Finally, even if you could solve the logistics issues, which you can’t, the cost would be in the hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars. It simply is not possible!
Kay
@Baud:
I just think Clinton has her work cut out for her. She starts behind because 3rd term same Party is rare and she has what’s turning into a real split in the GOP, along with what I think is a real divide in the Democratic Party between economic centrists and economic liberals. IMO, the debate on our side is healthy and just part of a fractious D primary but I don’t know what is going on on the R side.
OzarkHillbilly
@debbie:
Ford didn’t need A bailout, they needed 2 bailouts… One for Chrysler and one for GM. Or at least, that’s what they told Congress back in 2009. It had to do with the parts manufacturers supplying all 3 and going bankrupt if Chrysler and GM did, which would then force Ford into bankruptcy too.
different-church-lady
@Zinsky:
Obviously Trump hasn’t thought this through.
Baud
@Kay:
They either revert to type or they leave politics altogether. Even if Trump win the whole thing, the Republican party would still control Congress.
BillinGlendaleCA
@different-church-lady: He hasn’t though much though, like the 1900 mile wall. It’s not like the southwestern US is exactly flat.
Kay
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I’ve loathed Jeb since the manipulation and voter suppression in Florida to drag his worthless brother over the finish line so it’s fun to listen to. Voter suppression is to me unforgivable. I think he should be in prison. It pisses me off every day that we’ve all decided to never mention it. He caged voters to suppress the D vote. However. I am really confident Hillary Clinton will go there because she’s been a voting rights advocate her whole adult life and media will then rush to the fainting couches.
different-church-lady
@NonyNony:
They didn’t inherit it, they freakin’ built it that way.
Baud
@Kay:
I agree. Never thought it would be a cakewalk for her. I just hope we can coalesce around whoever wins the way we did in 2008.
WereBear
@Kay: It’s… almost… brilliant.
Well, heck, we are seeing an inside glimpse on how Trump works, aren’t we? He’s a creation of Reality TV, after all.
He’s creating The Biggest Show on Earth!
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
He’ll probably hire some Chinese firm to do it since they know something about walls.
RSA
@dmsilev:
My very thought. The scene…
FlipYrWhig
Trump notices a lot of things he finds wrong with contemporary America. Ain’t hard to do. So, OK. Is his suggestion for how one Donald Trump ends up being the solution to said problems anything other than a variant on Jon McCain’s “put them in a room and tell them to knock off the bullshit”? And he’s credible because he’s made deals to do… something. Is anyone asking Trump fans what exactly Donald Trump did or does?
OzarkHillbilly
@Zinsky:
Ummm…. feel the need to point out that in fact there are more than enough planes in the US alone to accomplish that feat in less than a week:
According to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (http://www.transtats.bts.gov/), a total of 631,939,829 passengers boarded domestic flights in the United States in the year 2010. This averages to 1.73 million passengers flying per day.
I know I know, I am a pedant. ;-)
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: I thought the Mexicans were gona build it. Or are they just paying for it and the Chinese building it. He did say he’d be using pre-cast concrete sections.
Baud
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Maybe the world will come together to build it to keep Americans in.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Heh indeedy.
OzarkHillbilly
@Baud: Please, don’t give them any ideas.
kc
@BillinGlendaleCA:
‘K, thanks. Was wondering if it was a deliberate dis by Scarborough.
Tommy
I made the mistake of watching CNN the last two hours and they seem to think Trump was in the right for booting Ramos. Seems to me his questions were pretty straightforward. I mean don’t you kind of need to use the military to deport 11M people?
rikyrah
Good Morning, Everyone :)
rikyrah
Really, Morning Joe?
Really?
Jorge Ramos is enjoying “15 Minutes” because of Rat on Top of Head Man?
MOFO, please.
Jorge Ramos has more viewers in one night than you get in 2 months.
Get Da Phuq Outta Here.
rikyrah
After sabotage letter, Cotton wants US to ‘speak with one voice’
08/26/15 08:00 AM
By Steve Benen
Congressional Republicans are unanimous in their opposition to the international nuclear agreement with Iran, but even among GOP lawmakers, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) stands out as unique. Arguably no American lawmaker has done more to undermine U.S. foreign policy than the right-wing freshman.
This week, as support for the diplomatic deal grows on Capitol Hill, opponents confronted the very real possibility that a Republican bill to derail the agreement may not even get the 60 votes it needs in the Senate to overcome a Democratic filibuster. This in turn led Cotton to issue a fascinating press statement (via Salon’s Simon Maloy).
“First, the president did an end-run around the Constitution by refusing to submit the Iran deal as a treaty requiring a two-thirds vote of the Senate for approval. Now Harry Reid wants to deny the American people a voice entirely by blocking an up-or-down vote on this terrible deal. […]
“The Congress and the president should speak with one voice when it comes to dealing with the Iranians, but it seems that Harry Reid believes that only his and the president’s voices matter.”
Tom Cotton, in case anyone has forgotten, wrote a letter to Iranian officials in March, telling them not to trust U.S. officials, all in the hopes of sabotaging American foreign policy and derailing the international diplomatic talks. The Republican senator corralled 46 of his GOP Senate colleagues to join him in this dangerous stunt, which according to our allies, had the effect of helping Iran during delicate negotiations and embarrassing the United States.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/after-sabotage-letter-cotton-wants-us-speak-one-voice
FlipYrWhig
@Tommy: Are you surprised that the current members of Big Media believe in keeping impertinent reporters in their place?
Tommy
@FlipYrWhig: A little. Maybe it would be rude to other real journalist to call the people on CNN journalist but you’d think they stand up a little for those in their profession.
BillinGlendaleCA
@kc: Joe’s complaint was that Ramos was making a statement rather than asking a question. He did have a rather long setup to ask the question; then again, I guess Joe Scar has never watched the Rachel Maddow Show.
PurpleGirl
@BillinGlendaleCA:
He did say he’d be using pre-cast concrete sections.
I once worked in a Turner Construction company office. Their files had a number of different types of pre-poured concrete — are those pre-cast sections Pre-poured pre-stressed, pre-poured with rebar in them, pre-poured without the rebar, etc. It’s important to know exactly what kind of concrete you mean.
(Somewhat lame attempt at humor.)
BillinGlendaleCA
@Tommy: If there was ANY inclination for the press to stand up for their colleague; the entire group should have got up and left when Ramos was ejected.
bystander
This morning, GMA reported that Curt Schilling was suspended from ESPN for comparing “extremist Muslims” to Nazis. Since there is no bar on discussing Islamic extremists, I wondered what the issue was. What Schilling did in fact was to compare ALL Muslims to Nazis. I couldn’t believe that Jonathan Karl had managed to infect the entire news staff, but I guess he has.
Couldn’t resist pointing out on their Facebook page that they had insulted all Muslims. So don’t be surprised if I have toppled the entire ABC News staff.
BillinGlendaleCA
@PurpleGirl:
The gray kind.
Tommy
@BillinGlendaleCA: Good point.
Peale
@BillinGlendaleCA: lol. yes. Jorge Ramos is just trying to get on TV.
Tommy
@Peale: Funny. I think a lot of people don’t understand the reach his nightly news program has. Univision often has a higher viewership than most of the major networks or cable channels. I think he won’t make a huge issue of it, but if he decides to whatever small support Trump has among Hispanics will evaporate.
OzarkHillbilly
@BillinGlendaleCA: I’d have said ‘the hard kind’.
Bobby Thomson
@Another Holocene Human: people are stupid. Democrats generally have to trick them into voting in their own interests.
NotMax
@Zinsky
Why, the American way of course, silly.
Cowboys on horseback.- with guns, whips and prods.
Just like the cattle drives.
Buses, trains, trucks and planes burn up the fuel that’s our God-given right to use taking the lumbering SUV to the store to get one item.
Bobby Thomson
@Zinsky: I don’t think white reporters have even thought about that. Or at least they pretend not to when mocking Ramos.
sigaba
@Kay:
These were the Perot/Buchanan voters in ’92/’96, they came back to the party in 2004, primarily because there was a war on and they wanted Bush to win for jingoistic reasons. These voters were in the Reagan coalition but have been generally alienated since. 2004 is the only time a Republican has won a presidential majority in 25 years.
Naturally there’s some overlap with the Tea Party. The war was enough for the establishment and the Buchananites to paper over their differences and vote Bush, but in the absence of those, and faced with the stark reality that Obama was not a fluke, the center cannot hold and the “reform agenda” conservatives are reasserting themselves.
The Kochs and the GOP elite can bend the Tea Party enough to vote for crazies in R+10 districts, keeping them in the tent, but the presidency is fought in a constituency that’s D+5. So the Republicans that DO prevail in elections get nuttier and more closely aligned to the Buchanan/Reform Party/Tea party coalition, and further away from the median voter.
Bobby Thomson
@OzarkHillbilly: so we effectively ground all air traffic for a week? It’s not like that would devastate the economy or anything.
Matt McIrvin
@Zinsky: Some proud racist wingnut (I think it was the eternally loathsome “Vox Day”, most recently famous for helping mess up the Hugo Awards) helpfully commented several years back that Hitler had no logistical problems exterminating that many people in the camps in the space of a few years, so it ought to be doable. On the face of it, he’s right, but it also reveals what kind of operation we’re talking about here. For him, this was not necessarily a bug.
Grumpy Code Monkey
The GOP will still own a healthy chunk of state legislatures and gubernatorial offices when all of this is over, and I expect they’ll remain nigh invincible at the state and local level. And they’re going to keep their grip on the House, even after the last couple of sessions.
At the Presidential level? They’re already toast.
The RNC used to be able to control who ran and who didn’t because they used to control the money. Thanks to Citizen’s United, that’s not true anymore, and any dipshit with a pet billionaire can get in on the action. It’s been a disaster for the GOP at the Presidential level, and it’s going to be a disaster for Dems once the dipshits on our side find their pet billionaires. Come 2018 there will be no less than 30 Republican presidential candidates, half of whom will be failed CEOs and professional grifters, and there won’t be a damned thing the RNC will be able to do about it.
I see two possibilities (with the caveat that it’s still fucking August and sane people aren’t even thinking about politics):
1. Trump gets the nomination, loses in the general;
2. Bush gets the nomination (it’s gonna happen, people), Trump goes Perot, takes the rabid base (and a not-insignificant chunk of would-be Democratic voters) with him, and Bush comes in third;
For the RNC, 1 is bad, 2 is immeasurably worse. Who’s going to donate money to the organization that loses to Trump? That’ll just further marginalize the RNC in national elections.
Citizen_X
@Zinsky: You can stuff a lot of people into cattle cars. Just saying.
Oh, did I go a little Godwin-y, there?
srv
@Zinsky: $22B/year in welfare comes out to $2K per illegal.
11M/4 years/365 days = 7.5K people/day.
If you people really believe 40% fly in by plane, then the airlines can handle sending them back at $2K a pop. If the airlines can’t handle them, we have like 80 C-5s. They could handle 20K/day.
Might need some porta potties.
Howlin Wolfe
@raven: Bruni is a consummate hack, and the Times doesn’t edit editorials, apparently.
oklahomo
@srv: No need for any company to pay: do it in the time honored way of mass deportations and internments and appropriate all of their assets to pay for it. Some of them have to have some money and property, don’t they?
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Falwell,_Jr.
Seanly
@Joey Maloney:
The Republican Party is like any other major organization – many of the higher ups have drunk the Kool Aid and have rosey or nostalgic views of how things are going. Racist sh*theads & old grumpy whites are popular with the party because the party’s leadership is those same type of people. Xenophobia, racism and fear might’ve been a means to collect votes, but those same values are now entrenched in the leadership.
The Democratic Party has many of the same issues, but at least their inherent policy positions are much less evil.
RE: a wall – building thousands of miles of wall is a lot more work than building some hideous 95-story temple to Mammon. Trump should steal a page from Mayor Quimby and name the proposed wall the Matlock Memorial Wall.
cckids
@BillinGlendaleCA:
When I hear Trump, I kept having a nagging little echo, a “who does he sound like?” in my head. Then, my spouse was watching The Untouchables over the weekend, and it came to me. This scene with Capone reminds me completely of Trump. The cadence of his speech, the grandiosity, all of it. I’m sure if Trump thought he could get away with it, he’d LOVE to bash in heads with a bat.
Or have “his guy” do it, I seriously doubt he’d have the strength/stomach to do it himself.
john fremont
@Kay: Gosh, almost sounds like a pitch to get in on Amway. “Your parents, school teachers, bosses keep telling you to keep a good job and you’ll be successful. But they’ve duped you! Get in on my business opportunity and I’ll teach you how to be successful like me!”
Sophist
@OzarkHillbilly: The arrest rate for the general US population was nearly twice as high as for NFL players from 2000 to 2013, a new study has found, undermining a perception that football stars are more prone to bad behaviour.
And the fact that a large portion of NFLers are rich and famous, and all of them have the backing of a billion dollar organization and often a community that cares more about not fucking up their chances at the post-season probably doesn’t affect those numbers at all.