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“These New Assets”

by Tom Levenson|  August 19, 20159:14 pm| 125 Comments

This post is in: Immigration, Flash Mob of Hate, Meth Laboratories of Democracy, Our Failed Media Experiment, Sociopaths

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You would think that if anything were beyond the pale, even for today’s GOP and its conservative base, it would be chattel slavery.

Seriously.  If there were any thought that ought to be simply unthinkable in the twenty first century, America, it would be that it is not simply illegal but actually evil to turn another human being into property.  I seem to recall there was something of a disturbance that ended 150 years ago on this matter, and it did not end well for those who lived on stolen labor.

But it turns out that my failure to imagine a comeback for slavery merely reveals my inability to keep up with an American right that seems determined to abandon the last thread of sanity.  From Media Matters via Charles Johnson at LGF, meet actual Iowa conservative talk radio host Jan Michelson:

I would just say this: … ’30 to 60 days from now anyone who is in the state of Iowa that who is not here legally and who cannot demonstrate their legal status to the satisfaction of the local and state authorities here in the State of Iowa, become property of the State of Iowa.’ So if you are here without our permission, and we have given you two months to leave, and you’re still here, and we find that you’re still here after we we’ve given you the deadline to leave, then you become property of the State of Iowa. And we have a job for you. And we start using compelled labor, the people who are here illegally would therefore be owned by the state and become an asset of the state rather than a liability and we start inventing jobs for them to do.

Damiano_Mascagni_Joseph_Sold_Into_Slavery_by_His_Brothers

This was not a slip of the tongue:

CALLER: Well I think everybody would believe it sounds like slavery?

MICKELSON: Well, what’s wrong with slavery?

…

MICKELSON: No this is pretty simple, actually this is very simple, what my solution is moral and it’s legal. And I can’t think – and it’s also politically doable.

CALLER: So are you going to house all these people who have chosen to be indentured?

MICKELSON: Yes, yes, absolutely in a minimal fashion. We would take a lesson from Sheriff [Joe] Arpaio down in Arizona. Put up a tent village, we feed and water these new assets, we give them minimal shelter, minimal nutrition, and offer them the opportunity to work for the benefit of the taxpayers of the state of Iowa. All they have to do to avoid servitude is to leave.

….

MICKELSON: You think I’m just pulling your leg. I am not….

Ladles and Jellyspoons:  your modern Republican party.  Somewhere, Abraham Lincoln is weeping.

Image: Damiano Mascagni, Joseph sold into slavery by his brothers, 1602.

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  1. 1.

    Gin & Tonic

    August 19, 2015 at 9:18 pm

    Well, at least he’s clear.

  2. 2.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 9:19 pm

    Going after the 14th Amendment isn’t enough for them, so they take on the 13th as well?

  3. 3.

    GHayduke (formerly lojasmo)

    August 19, 2015 at 9:20 pm

    YOU BIGFOOTED JOHN’S NUTSACK!

  4. 4.

    RSA

    August 19, 2015 at 9:21 pm

    @GHayduke (formerly lojasmo):

    YOU BIGFOOTED JOHN’S NUTSACK!

    I NO, RITE?

    (Excellent phrasing!)

  5. 5.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    August 19, 2015 at 9:23 pm

    I Got My Humanity, Fuck You.

  6. 6.

    Jeffro

    August 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    @Gin & Tonic: They don’t often air their wet dreams out quite so specifically, do they?

  7. 7.

    Tenar Darell

    August 19, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    Wot? What is the matter with these people? What is their malfunction? Seriously, what is it? I can’t even… I’m going back to my August news crash diet by reading fic and fiction, this bullsh*t just makes me throw up a little in my mouth. (Yeah I said it. Slavery? Really? Where’s Amy Pohler when you need her to be on SNL doing a Really segment).

  8. 8.

    cokane

    August 19, 2015 at 9:27 pm

    LOLWUT

  9. 9.

    Oatler.

    August 19, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    The “conservative intelligentsia” always have smooth thoughtful articles about limiting the franchise to property holders and abolishing the minimum wage. The less smooth tend to lynch.

  10. 10.

    Mobile Grumpy Code Monkey

    August 19, 2015 at 9:28 pm

    Sorry for the OT, but JEB! just lost the Libertarian and technologically literate vote.

  11. 11.

    greennotGreen

    August 19, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    I’m rarely one to defend the Republican party (may they live in hell with demons feeding on their livers,) but this isn’t a party official, the is just some fuckhead (though not THE Just Some Fuckhead.)

    Of course, by tomorrow Steve King may be saying the same thing as Mickelson.

  12. 12.

    Roger Moore

    August 19, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Going after the 14th Amendment isn’t enough for them, so they take on the 13th as well?

    Not at all. The 13th Amendment clearly says that involuntary servitude is a legitimate punishment for a crime of which the perpetrator has been duly convicted. They just want to make it illegal to be in their state without proper paperwork, and for the sentence to be a lifetime at hard labor.

  13. 13.

    Rommie

    August 19, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    Hey, he’s got hundreds (thousands?) of years of justifications in the defense of slavery – and now can tie it to a modern-era problem. That fruit doesn’t walk itself to the truck, ya know!

    IOW, they never *really* got over that ass-whupping, but were satisfied with decades of Jim Crow to exact revenge. I know too many people who would have to think about it if offered the opportunity to OWN another person, no strings attached. And I also know a subset would indeed say YES.

  14. 14.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 9:34 pm

    Yeah, they are a prescious bunch our wingnuts, nee birchers, nee KKK.

    I do have only one problem with the post: I honestly do not think that any liberal should ever link to little green footballs, I simply do not trust CJ’s road to damascus moment after he went all in on “after 9/11 I was pissed at chapaquidich.”

    LGF was a bastion of racial hatred for far too long to give him a pass.

    Obvs ymmv.
    …

  15. 15.

    Petorado

    August 19, 2015 at 9:35 pm

    Conservatism is simply evil dressed in a suit. After all the talk of denying workers rights, laughing about rape and denying women healthcare and equal pay, after all the talk about rescinding social protections and access to healthcare, with their staunch embrace of racism and constant desire to wage war and engage in torture, is there really any denying that the modern design of conservatism is to be immorality personified?

  16. 16.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 9:37 pm

    @Roger Moore: No, the asshole does not mention a trial and conviction. He just talks about owning the people after a set time period. Violation of the 13th.

  17. 17.

    Comrade Dread

    August 19, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    Makes sense. Businesses are okay with slave labor. They just mostly outsource it to those countries that don’t care about labor practices or those pesky human rights. We have prison labor in this country.

    It’s really just a matter of time, I think, before the GOP will want people who can’t afford to pay their credit card bills or declare bankruptcy to be sold into indentured servitude. Of course, this will only be for the poor people who declare bankruptcy.

  18. 18.

    Ruckus

    August 19, 2015 at 9:39 pm

    I’m so proud to tell the world that I’m an american, that I live in a country in the 21st century that a radio personality (not a good one but non the less) calls for slavery. Not shipping people here illegally back to their home country but enslaving them, no papers, no trial, just fucked. What an enlightened place this is.
    Of course this is Iowa, the state that keeps electing Steve King, so anything is possible.

  19. 19.

    Ruckus

    August 19, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    @Petorado:
    This.
    Even if conservatism had been realistic at one time, and I don’t think that is true, it is for sure not now.

    ETA If conservatism was a minor sect then one could point and laugh. As it is, as close as can be determined, about half the country, at least among the voting segment, it is a horror.

  20. 20.

    gratuitous

    August 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    But you talk about raising taxes on the wealthy, hoo boy! You’ll find out what’s wrong with slavery then. Because a 39% tax rate is worser than slavery.

  21. 21.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    @Petorado:

    Well put.

    Brevity being the soul of wit, you pounded that 16 penny nail in one blow.
    …

  22. 22.

    Keith P.

    August 19, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    I’m gonna love hearing *any* of these candidates get asked whether or not they disavow slavery, because you know one of them – probably Jindal – will decide to stand out and argue that slavery isn’t bad per se…just the 1860s implementation of it.

  23. 23.

    Woodrowfan

    August 19, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    @greennotGreen: yeah, but his radio show is one that the republican candidates go regularly to appear on.

  24. 24.

    CONGRATULATIONS!

    August 19, 2015 at 9:49 pm

    Well, what’s wrong with slavery?

    Huh, that’s the precise moment I stopped giving a shit about anything this loser has to say.

  25. 25.

    Benw

    August 19, 2015 at 9:50 pm

    I was down visiting relatives in FL this summer when an elderly friend of the family who had stopped by to chat defended the Confederate flag. He said, basically, that slavery wasn’t even the white Americans’ fault because the black African tribes captured each other and sold themselves into slavery. And anyway, it was for their own good because being a clothed slave in America was way better than being a naked African savage, and the slaves who came here were saved by the mercy of Jesus while the savages back in Africa died sinners. It was like listening to a pamphlet written in 1837. So some ideas die hard.

  26. 26.

    Belafon

    August 19, 2015 at 9:52 pm

    @gratuitous: Which makes the 1950s, when upper marginal taxes were at 90%, the perfect argument for why slavery works.

    //

  27. 27.

    lucslawyer

    August 19, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    Well, seeing as how we invited the illegals here to take advantage of their willingness to do the jobs average Americans (read white folks) wouldn’t do, this does smack of a lack of hospitality.

  28. 28.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 9:53 pm

    @CONGRATULATIONS!:

    He was just putting it “out there”,to start a “conversation.”

    When the inevitable pushback comes, expect some variation on the theme:”It was just a joke.”
    …

  29. 29.

    Kropadope

    August 19, 2015 at 9:56 pm

    Ladles and Jellyspoons: your modern Republican party.

    Eh-hem…”contemporary.”

  30. 30.

    sukabi

    August 19, 2015 at 9:58 pm

    @Mobile Grumpy Code Monkey: shorter Bush: Hey silicone valley, can you cut out the encryption, I’m bringing in W’s crew and they aren’t all that bright.

  31. 31.

    rikyrah

    August 19, 2015 at 10:01 pm

    this is who they are

  32. 32.

    boatboy_srq

    August 19, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Mickelson is applying Tentherism as intended here. Since the 13th/14th/15th Amendments all follow the Holy Ten Amendments authored by Gun-Totin’ Capitalist Jeebus Himself, they should be struck off as illegitimate tampering with the Divine Founding Document. Any time you hear someone advocating Tentherism, this is a very big part of what s/he is pushing.

    Not surprised in the least – except that Mickelson actually said “property”. Consider all the dogwhistle about “takers,” “entitlement” and the rest of the whinge about Those People getting uppity. Trump’s campaign probably made him think he could get away with saying this – which in my mind is one more reason Trump’s campagn is good for the GOP as a whole since it spells out their position without any code words that could be weaseled away from. Mickelson is a vile POS, but I’m very glad he said what he did: without these clear statements of intent, the GOP could continue to hide behind euphemisms and carry on as if it were a legitimate political party and not a (treatable?) psychological condition.

  33. 33.

    Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA

    August 19, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    @rikyrah: It does sort of feel like that’s their end game, doesn’t it?

  34. 34.

    boatboy_srq

    August 19, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    @Mingobat f/k/a Karen in GA: Sort of? Try actually.

  35. 35.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    August 19, 2015 at 10:09 pm

    @gratuitous:

    So taxation is slavery, but actual slavery is not really slavery because there is nothing worse than taxes.

    I didn’t need those pesky brain cells anyway.

  36. 36.

    SatanicPanic

    August 19, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): and don’t forget about having to sell cakes to gay people, or to be a doctor in the USA after Obamacare, FORCED LABOR!!!

  37. 37.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 19, 2015 at 10:14 pm

    @Roger Moore: As Obama would say, that’s another thing we need to fix.

  38. 38.

    Mnemosyne (tablet)

    August 19, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    @SatanicPanic:

    I just told G this logic and I think I caused a little bit of permanent brain damage.

  39. 39.

    redshirt

    August 19, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    Yeah but Democrats founded the KKK and it was the Republican Party that ended slavery.

  40. 40.

    Kropadope

    August 19, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    @redshirt: This * 100. You also forgot the part where all that is totally relevant to the politics of 2015.

  41. 41.

    Peale

    August 19, 2015 at 10:17 pm

    Well, I think I commented that we’ll have a serious debate about the reintroduction of slavery in Congress long before we’ll see a truly progressive president…we’ll see how close my prediction comes.

  42. 42.

    srv

    August 19, 2015 at 10:18 pm

    The problem with you people is that you are too conservative. In the bad sort of conservative way. The state of society today is proof that many just aren’t capable of operating successfully in total freedom without additional guidance – parenting and state education is in such a state that we would be morally remiss not to consider alternative approaches.

    I think perhaps there is something between freedom and prison. Let’s call it peonage if the s-word is too much for your delicate sensibilities.

    It could be an option for some to fufill an obligatory requirement while providing training and some level of restricted freedom. Most people would ultimately earn freedom, but some might require permanent restrictions. Still others would fit nowhere but prison.

    But try to think outside the box for once – the world is not all black and white.

  43. 43.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 19, 2015 at 10:20 pm

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™:

    LGF was a bastion of racial hatred for far too long to give him a pass.

    Have you been on his site lately? Racist commenters get nuked over there. And he is engaged in verbal beefs to this day with his former conservative friends, mostly over racism and racist content.

    I think he’s for real. Nobody would put up with that much crap (when he apostatized he made some obsessive enemies) if they weren’t for real.

    IMVHO I feel like LGF’s commentariat has been more supportive of #BLM than BJ has been.

    There are still some conservatives on the site. One guy is the token “my team is always right” Republican and his comments are always in the red. Another guy was the LGF contrarian until he flipped out and started retweeting Cumia, so Charles banned him.

  44. 44.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    And yet with the constant fussilade of bullshit we on the left don’t consistantly go for the “othering” of our brethren on the right.

    The mocking of, and utter lack of respect is well earned, yet we do not want to exterminate them, even those of us who are existing within the framework of an existential crisis.

    I guess this is one of the reasons I can sleep soundly.
    …

  45. 45.

    Anoniminous

    August 19, 2015 at 10:21 pm

    I’ve heard this tripe time and again from Conservatives. I’ve overheard Conservatives say it to each other. The only difference is this asshole is saying it on the radio.

  46. 46.

    redshirt

    August 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    @Anoniminous: Let the monsters come out of the shadows. Let the implied become explicit. Let the country and world see these people for what they are.

    And then, choose.

  47. 47.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 19, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    @Petorado:

    is there really any denying that the modern design of conservatism is to be immorality personified?

    You forgot about cheap grace and salvation in this life and the next for the low low price of 10% of your pre-tax earnings plus love offerings. Wait, I’m getting derailed because I hate prosperity gospel so much.

    But seriously, this whole “I’m not perfect, just forgiven”, I don’t have to make it up to you because Jesus loves me crap actually makes good people turn into assholes. Quite an accomplishment!

  48. 48.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 19, 2015 at 10:25 pm

    @Keith P.:

    just the 1860s implementation of it.

    Blasphemy! Everyone knows American slavery was the kindest, gentlest, most humanitarian peculiar institution ever seen on this God’s green Earth.

  49. 49.

    gene108

    August 19, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    Can we has Open Thread?

  50. 50.

    Another Holocene Human

    August 19, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    @efgoldman: I’ve had my consciousness raised. And while the other side is still human, I don’t other them, I feel no need to engage any more. They have absolutely nothing to say that is of any interest, other than to monitor for signs of immanent danger.

  51. 51.

    redshirt

    August 19, 2015 at 10:33 pm

    @efgoldman: Damn right. I remember not that long ago (80’s) when local Republicans could be reasonable people who’d compromise and even if they were not your first choice, they weren’t terrible.

    Now, everyone of them is a monster that needs to be stopped – not just for the sake of the USA, but the world.

    This dedicated insane fringe has the world held hostage.

  52. 52.

    Belafon

    August 19, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    One guy is the token “my team is always right” Republican and his comments are always in the red.

    DF is wrong a lot but he’s never reluctant to point out when you get a single fact in an explanation wrong.

  53. 53.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    @Another Holocene Human:

    I understand your argument, I really do. Once a line and in this case way the fuck beyond the pale, has been crossed, you are dead to me.

    I spent alot of time in that cesspool circa ’04-’06 attempting to get to the core of the mindset that drove the hatred.

    I can’t see that logo without shuddering. Maybe related to PTSD.

    Anyway, got to the MM link via Atrios myself.

    The reason that I can hang here is that Cole, while I disagreed with him early and awften, never put up with the bullshit that CJ let stand, and came to his apostacy much earlier and much more honestly.

    Rachel Corrie cannot be undone in my mind.

    Happy that he has seen sanity, but if Dick Cheney came out in favor of progressive goals, I might laud, but would only read snips or cites from other blogs.

    CJ strikes me who made hay while the getting was good and was smart enough to tack when the winds were changing. That I cannot respect nor countenance.

    Ommv.

    Anyhow, I enjoy your commentary, and rarely dissagree with what you have to say.
    …

  54. 54.

    The Republic of Stupidity

    August 19, 2015 at 10:42 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: yeah, but look at the topside to the whole ‘natural born citizen’ thingy…

    If they were actually successful in getting rid of the the 14th Amendment, wouldn’t that mean NO ONE is guaranteed citizenship and therefore we could start getting rid of ALL OFTHEM?

    On the other hand, what other country on the face of THIS planet would be willing to take them?

  55. 55.

    PhoenixRising

    August 19, 2015 at 10:45 pm

    It’s the strangest thing. I’ve read Rick Perlstein’s books, so I know what happened, but I can’t understand how Republicans went from my grandparents–engineer/farmer and farm wife/mother of 5, on the county commission and the board of Planned Parenthood respectively–to these nuts.

    Or, in honor of Cole’s previous post…dese nutz. Slavery. Humans as property. Humans sharing certain qualities to be named later, who can’t satisfy the state of IA as to their right to be free. And there is every reason to expect Steve King to fail to repudiate this nutball.

  56. 56.

    Matt McIrvin

    August 19, 2015 at 10:46 pm

    There are libertarians who argue that all of your rights ought to be alienable; that is, that you should own your body, and if you truly own your body you should reserve the right to sell it to somebody else, that is, sell yourself into slavery, if you so wish. It’s all part of freedom of contract, I suppose, and we all know contracts are always entered into willingly for some highly technical value of the word “willingly”.

    I haven’t heard what they think should happen to your children.

  57. 57.

    redshirt

    August 19, 2015 at 10:51 pm

    @PhoenixRising: Reagan. Fairness Clause repeal. Fox News. Newt Gingrich. Etc.

  58. 58.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 10:52 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I don’necessarily disagree, but othering is part and parcel of the conservative milleau.

    While we may have been too civil,one of the reasons i defend BLM is because they are forcing us to have a conversation that many wish to avoid.

    The only reason that some of our cadre have been forced to get truly agitated is because the other side considers shark jumping a competitive sport.
    …

  59. 59.

    oldgold

    August 19, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    MIchelson has been spewing this putrid nonsense for more than a quarter of a century on WHO radio. A 50,000 watt station that trumpets this conservative tripe all day long. AM radio is a malignant cyst on our body politic.

  60. 60.

    SatanicPanic

    August 19, 2015 at 10:54 pm

    @Matt McIrvin: or what happens to your ability to demand a decent wage when you are competing with slaves? Also, what use is money if you’ve sold yourself off to slavery? That makes no sense.

  61. 61.

    Cervantes

    August 19, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    @efgoldman:

    I’m not quite old enough to actually have heard Father Coughlin, but this clown is at least as dangerous.

    This clown, as you put it, is dull. Coughlin was more interesting. In amongst his lunatic tirades he spoke a number of truths, about the war of aggression against Mexico, the so-called independence of Texas, the way we stole California. He spoke about Woodrow Wilson and his avowals of democratic freedom and practices of “plutocratic plunder.” The hidden facts of history, he called these things.

    I still have a “membership application form” from him, requesting support to the tune of ten cents per month.

  62. 62.

    Cervantes

    August 19, 2015 at 10:58 pm

    @Matt McIrvin:

    Do Libertarians have children?

  63. 63.

    sm*t cl*de

    August 19, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    MICKELSON: Well, what’s wrong with slavery?

    A natural progression from “Well, what’s wrong with torture?” and “Well, what’s wrong with forced birth?” and so on.

  64. 64.

    PaulW

    August 19, 2015 at 11:01 pm

    MICKELSON: Well, what’s wrong with slavery?

    Try it with the chains on your ankles and the whip scars on your back, Mickelson. Then you’ll understand what’s wrong with slavery.

    “As I would not be a slave, so I would not be a master. This expresses my idea of democracy.” – Abraham Lincoln.

  65. 65.

    sm*t cl*de

    August 19, 2015 at 11:04 pm

    Let the monsters come out of the shadows.

    “Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.” Didn’t work for Claudius.

  66. 66.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 11:09 pm

    @oldgold:

    And i lament the fact that i can’t feel right about teaching kids how to build a crystal radio. They work best on the am bands and require no electricity to operate. In fact they are the perfect introduction to science and a perfect liberal solution. Accessing communication with a dollars worth of wire a rusty razor blade, or a chunk of galena or pyrite and a tube of spent toilet paper, a broken guitar string for a cats whisker(preferably high e) Aluminum foil employed as a capacitor…What’s not to like?

    Oh yeah, 24 hours of talk radio.

    When I was a kid the most dangerous thing I came into contact with might have been “hotel california”

    I later graduated to three ham radio licenses.

  67. 67.

    oldgold

    August 19, 2015 at 11:15 pm

    One impact of Trump is that he has green-lighted the public spewing of rancid racial rants that have heretofore only been dog whistled. I guess, in some respects, this is a good thing.

  68. 68.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:19 pm

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™: My dad built those in the early 30’s, when he was a teenager(he was also a ham).

  69. 69.

    sm*t cl*de

    August 19, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    “Well, what’s wrong with eating babies?”

  70. 70.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    @oldgold: I think it’s a good thing, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

  71. 71.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: They’re too easy to overcook.

  72. 72.

    redshirt

    August 19, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: It will totally work out this time, for sure.

  73. 73.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    @sm*t cl*de: @BillinGlendaleCA: Q: What’s easier to fry, a dead baby or a bowling ball?

    A: A bowling ball. Dead babies stick to the pan.

  74. 74.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    @oldgold:

    Agreed.

    Watching the media attempt to corral the Id of the party of lincoln, or tap dance around it has been interesting in the “pass the popcorn” way.

    A phrase i had never heard came from a troll at lfm who introduced “section ape” into my lexicon.

    If trump does nothing else, his “leadership” has given those most desperate to do so, an opportunity to let freak flags fly, and in some corners have people tossing the dogwhistles into the closet.

    In fact this michelson cat might not have had the courage to spout this nonsence otherwise.

    The 27% eat this shit like candy, unfortunately i fear that 47% are very sympathetic to the message.
    …

  75. 75.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:32 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: You just need to use more lard to fry the baby, it also adds more taste.

  76. 76.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™:

    Watching the media attempt to corral the Id of the party of lincoln, or tap dance around it has been interesting in the “pass the popcorn” way.

    You see, this is not a problem for the Morning Joe crew, they just talk about Hillary’s emails.

  77. 77.

    Kropadope

    August 19, 2015 at 11:34 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    You just need to use more lard to fry the baby, it also adds more taste.

    That’s just going too far.

  78. 78.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Not butter?

  79. 79.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Lard, I’m old school.

  80. 80.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Okay then.

  81. 81.

    Thoughtful Today

    August 19, 2015 at 11:39 pm

    Erm:

    Slavery is widely reported in Malaysia:

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=Malaysia+slavery

    ^ Our new trade partners unless TPP fails.

    And again:

    Bernie’s firmly against the TPP.

    https://BernieSanders.com

  82. 82.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:41 pm

    @Thoughtful Today: You know that the we currently trade and have trade deals with Malaysia, right?

  83. 83.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 11:42 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    It really is magical.

    Before i got my second ticket,(early 2000) i plsyed with and made several and picked up radio havana one night. I was trying out a tuned double coil design intended to get into lower shortwave freqs.

    At that point i thought, i need to take some tests, and as they were getting rid of the morse requirement, i felt i should pass that again, just cause.

    My old man couldn’t get the morse code down, but is finally a ham himself thanks to the rule change.

    Amateur radio is one of the nerdbanging, but phenominal hobbies, even if most native operators are rush heads.

    I enjoyed working the world…

    Anyway thanks for sharing.
    :-)

  84. 84.

    Tree With Water

    August 19, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    Consider the source whenever assaulted by seemingly ludicrous republican party rhetoric. Those people are killers. They ripped their masks off in March of 2003, and the skull-and-bones motherfuckers began lusting for even more power ever since, in order to kill everything else they fear… including, of course, the bits of the United States Constitution that inconveniences them. They are an evil bunch.

  85. 85.

    governmentcheesefarmer

    August 19, 2015 at 11:44 pm

    Someone should find the podcast when Karl Rove was the scheduled guest on Jan Michelson’s show and they discussed immigration. I am not a regular listener (WHO is and has been a cesspool of right wing filth), but I happened to hear Rove was going to be on the show that day. I think it probably was early 2007 or possibly the fall of 2006. Rove was the voice of reason to Jan Mickelson.

    The main topic of discussion was immigration, Rove’s point about immigration laws was something like if people don’t follow the laws it proves we need to get rid of the laws. They are coming for the money and if there is more here than where they are from and so on. I was thinking well we are continually arresting and imprisoning bank robbers who go to the banks for money so by extension we should get rid of those anti-bank robbing laws.

    I called in and actually was on hold to ask Karl Rove if bank robberies prove we need to eliminate the laws against robbing banks. When the call screener asked what I wanted to say on air he started laughing out loud and told me I was on if there was time. I thought I would get to stick it to Rove on the right wing airwaves, but Mickelson’s rantings consumed the time and I spent a long time on hold for nothing. Of course after the financial crash, mission accomplished there too about decriminalizing bank robbery if you are a bankster.

    Almost ten years later and I’m not sure, but I think Rove also said some really stupid things about our middle east policy and the whole “mission accomplished” meme they had going back then. I know it was before the US attorneys scandal and Don Siegelman or that would have been the focus of my question in some way.

  86. 86.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:47 pm

    OT: Bahman Kalbasi ‏@BahmanKalbasi 4h4 hours ago

    Some cold water from Nancy Pelosi. She told @AP: Democrats in the House now have the votes to sustain Pres. Obama’s veto on #IranDeal.

    44 retweets 33 favorites

  87. 87.

    Roger Moore

    August 19, 2015 at 11:49 pm

    @sm*t cl*de:

    Well, what’s wrong with eating babies?

    Nothing. Just ask Jonathan Swift.

  88. 88.

    Percysowner

    August 19, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    @Omnes Omnibus: Frankly I honestly believe they would willingly go after the 13th, 14th 19th, and 24th (no poll tax), I also think they are more than willing to take a swing at amending the 1st to apply to Christianity only and conservative speech only. They are a truly evil bunch.

  89. 89.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 19, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    But of course.

    I would have no choice to go to a gun show or lax pawn shop, so if forced to watch 15 minutes of smirking joe and go elvis on the teebee.

    A brick would work as well i guess.
    …

  90. 90.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 19, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™: My dad was old school, Collins receivers and xmiters*. We had a 60′ retractable tower in the back yard.

    *The kind with vacuum tubes.

  91. 91.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    @Percysowner: No argument from me.

  92. 92.

    sigaba

    August 19, 2015 at 11:56 pm

    @Roger Moore:

    They just want to make it illegal to be in their state without proper paperwork, and for the sentence to be a lifetime at hard labor.

    So here’s the fun fact: being in the US without papers isn’t actually a crime, it’s a civil infraction, for which deportation is the remedy. Entering the US without a visa, the act itself, is only a misdemeanor. But, for example, people who overstay visas are neither committing a felony nor a misdemeanor. Being in the US without a visa can make you liable to administrative penalties, being barred from obtaining a visa, and deportation, but they can’t send you to jail.

  93. 93.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 19, 2015 at 11:58 pm

    @sigaba: Isn’t it weird what happens when one looks at the actual laws and shit?

  94. 94.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:00 am

    I hope in light of the slavery at sea angle mentioned above that people are eschewing seafood. And frankly i dont trust anything out of the gulf.

    Easy for this landlubber though.

    Also, i do recognise that it is nearly impossible to breathe without supporting slave labor on some level.
    ..

  95. 95.

    redshirt

    August 20, 2015 at 12:00 am

    They won’t be happy till we’re all indentured servants.

    Oh wait, if you went to college in the last 30 years, or bought a house, you probably already are!

  96. 96.

    Thoughtful Today

    August 20, 2015 at 12:05 am

    Also worth reading up on:

    Mariana Islands slavery

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=lm&q=Mariana+Islands+slavery

  97. 97.

    jl

    August 20, 2015 at 12:05 am

    Probably some libertarians have made the argument that the elimination of bonded labor has produced serious imperfections in the labor market and the market for human capital.

    Hey, it wouldn’t be debt slavery, chattel slavery or indentured servitude, just the economic equivalents required for market efficiency.

  98. 98.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 20, 2015 at 12:07 am

    @Thoughtful Today: You seem to that a point you would like to make. Please make it instead of hinting around it.

  99. 99.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:08 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Your dad rolled with my dream station.

    The Collins rigs put stars in my eyes, the boat anchors with tubes, hell yeah. A sixty foot regtractable with a rotatable yagi or quad, heaven.

    I got my first license as a 12 year old in 78, soon to be 13. Collins was still the fucking bomb.

    Did yer old man recieve a qsl card from the king of jordan or barry goldwater? They would have been active then.
    …

  100. 100.

    benw

    August 20, 2015 at 12:09 am

    Since there’s no open thread, I’m having a Miller Lite tonight, listening to The Police, and feeling okay. Not great, but okay.

  101. 101.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @Percysowner:

    I honestly believe they would willingly go after the 13th, 14th 19th, and 24th (no poll tax)

    Don’t forget the 16th (Income Tax) and 26th (vote to 18 year-olds).

  102. 102.

    fleeting expletive

    August 20, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @Petorado: Claro que it is.

  103. 103.

    hellslittlestangel

    August 20, 2015 at 12:10 am

    “… we give them minimal shelter, minimal nutrition …”

    And if they step out of line, we send them to the gas chamber.

  104. 104.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 20, 2015 at 12:10 am

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™: I’ll confess that this is one of the B-J sub-conversations that leaves me mystified. Get down with your bad selves.

  105. 105.

    Roger Moore

    August 20, 2015 at 12:13 am

    @sigaba:

    So here’s the fun fact: being in the US without papers isn’t actually a crime

    Laws can be changed much more easily than the Constitution.

  106. 106.

    sm*t cl*de

    August 20, 2015 at 12:15 am

    Probably some libertarians have made the argument that the elimination of bonded labor has produced serious imperfections in the labor market and the market for human capital.

    We had the leader of the local NZ glibertarians the other day, arguing that workplace safety regulations were an undesirable distortion of the labour market, and a curtailment of workers’ rights, as they removed the opportunity for employers to offer lower wages in exchange for job safety workers to sign away their right to seek legal restitution accept more dangerous jobs in exchange for wages.

    The main Sunday newspaper gave him a forum for his vomitus of vocabulary.

  107. 107.

    redshirt

    August 20, 2015 at 12:15 am

    @Omnes Omnibus: Hamchat. Some Ham dude called up the ISS recently. Totally wizard.

  108. 108.

    BillinGlendaleCA

    August 20, 2015 at 12:16 am

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™: Not sure about them, he did talk to Curtis LaMay while he was flying over the South Pole.

  109. 109.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:25 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Will do!:-)

    Given that just under 1 percent of the population participates or has participated in this hobby, suggests that someone might have berning ears and join us.

    Alas i have a license, but no station at present.

    Pro tip: if you need to put up a wire in some trees a wrist rocket and a fishing reel attached with a couple of hose clamps will get it done.
    …

  110. 110.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 20, 2015 at 12:30 am

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™: I’ll stick with my hobbies. Thanks. Enjoy yours.

  111. 111.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:32 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA:

    Yeah he was one as well. Cool.

    I think, crazy as he was, was instemental in the adoption of single sideband (3 kilohertz bandwidth as opposed to am’s 6 kilo)

  112. 112.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:36 am

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™:

    6 kilo double sideband for military purposes.

    sorry but the edit feature on mobile takes me to the front page.

    Any way single sideband may have been the only sane thing that lemay supported.
    …

  113. 113.

    Tree With Water

    August 20, 2015 at 12:36 am

    @BillinGlendaleCA: Better the South Pole than Moscow, eh?

  114. 114.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 20, 2015 at 12:39 am

    @Tree With Water: Does it matter much if bombs didn’t drop?

  115. 115.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:39 am

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Not trying to evangelise, but if you need an antenna…

    :-)
    …

  116. 116.

    Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™

    August 20, 2015 at 12:45 am

    Bill it has been a pleasure. Thank you for the memories.

    I am sure i will catch up with you soon enough.

    Omnes, always a pleasure.

    Will go upstairs and see if I have anything relevant to add and soon to bed.

  117. 117.

    Omnes Omnibus

    August 20, 2015 at 12:47 am

    @Provider_UNE_AndPlayersToBeHatedLater™: Too many things on my list to try next already…

  118. 118.

    joel hanes

    August 20, 2015 at 1:57 am

    @PhoenixRising:

    I can’t understand how

    Reagan taught them to eat lies.

    Fox News has set the menu for fifteen years.

    Roger Ailes is your enemy.

  119. 119.

    Mustang Bobby

    August 20, 2015 at 3:44 am

    Well, to be fair, Mr. Mickelson didn’t call his idea “the final solution.” That would be a little too on the nose.

  120. 120.

    Sherparick

    August 20, 2015 at 7:45 am

    By the way, what radio station does he broadcast from and who are the advertisers? If you live in Iowa, I would drop them a line and tell them that as long as this guy/gal is on the air, you are not buying any products advertised on this radio station.

    In every Iowa town and city, there is statue of a Civil War soldier, a memorial to all the Iowans who fought for the Union and Liberty; if they could they would all come down off their pedestals and stick their bayonet up this guy’s ass.

    Meanwhile, I agree with this guy: “… I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor or degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that “all men are created equal.” We now practically read it “all men are created equal, except negroes” When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read “all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.” When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].” Abraham Lincoln, Letter to Joshua Speed, August 24, 1855, as applicable now as was then.

  121. 121.

    Enhanced Voting Techniques

    August 20, 2015 at 9:09 am

    So we don’t want illegals ’cause they take jobs away from Americans, so we will enslave illegals who will then take jobs away from Americans.

  122. 122.

    shell

    August 20, 2015 at 9:37 am

    And when these ‘assests’ are no longer profitable, you just compost them, amirite?

    Jesus wept, these people!

  123. 123.

    DonnaMlsdjan

    August 21, 2015 at 6:19 am

    @boatboy_srq: Has this been sent to ALEC yet? They can add it to their circulating list of suggested state legislation.

  124. 124.

    1stgengirl

    August 21, 2015 at 6:34 am

    Lurker, who rarely posts but always enjoys your comments. What an interesting bunch!

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