If only the press would stop covering Trump and pay attention to the serious candidates with informed ideas. https://t.co/YfLeG2bO4f
— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) August 14, 2015
Fiorina adds that she thinks CA's vaccination mandate is a "mistake." "California is wrong on most everything, honestly."
— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) August 14, 2015
I dunno, those Californians decisively rejected Carly…From Zeke Miller’s Time article:
Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina said that parents should have the right to not vaccinate their children for all diseases, but that schools should be able to exclude children who are unvaccinated for ommunicable diseases from attending class.
Speaking at a town hall on Thursday in Alden, Iowa, Fiorina responded to a question from a mother of five who claimed that one of her children had an adverse reaction to a vaccination, saying “It’s always the parent’s choice.” She continued by referencing her daughter, who Fiorina said was bullied by a school nurse into vaccinating her pre-teen daughter for the Human papillomavirus, a sexually transmitted disease. “Measles is one thing…,” Fiorina said.
“When you have highly communicable diseases where you have a vaccine that’s proven, like measles or mumps, then I think a parent can make that choice, but then I think a school district is well within their rights to say, ‘I’m sorry, your child cannot then attend public school,’” Fiorina explained to reporters after the event.
“So a parent has to make that trade-off,” she continued. “I think when we’re talking about some of these more esoteric immunizations, then I think absolutely a parent should have a choice and a school district shouldn’t be able to say, ‘sorry, your kid can’t come to school’ for a disease that’s not communicable, that’s not contagious, and where there really isn’t any proof that they’re necessary at this point.”…
Squalid common-folk diseases, sure, you can never be sure where the nanny or the landscapers might’ve been. But the kind of things one might pick up from, you know, surely not Our Kind of People…
Someone finally tracked down that elusive resemblance to a famous meme, though.
Angry Baby grown up #tcot #UniteBlue pic.twitter.com/5zg0NEfbe3
— The Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) August 14, 2015
***********
Apart from angry babies, and the mocking of them, what’s on the agenda as we start the weekend?
dmbeaster
What a dork. California does exactly what she says is OK. You have to vaccinate if you are sending your kid to public school. There is no mandate.
Geeno
The Angry Baby likeness is hysterical, but I’ve always thought of Republicans as toddlers.
mtiffany
Because HPV, like pregnancy, is something that a woman’s body can shut down in cases of legitimate rape.
Ladies and gentelmen, I give you the female Todd Akin. Isn’t she great? Let’s give her a big round of applause…
Bullied into getting vaccinated for HPV… SMH
SiubhanDuinne
Somebody said recently that Carly Fiorina looks like every wicked stepmother in a Disney movie, which I think is a perfect description. Can’t remember if it was a Balloon Juice commenter or if I saw it somewhere else, but I have already started using it.
Baud
@dmbeaster:
Next you’ll be telling me there are no death panels in Obamacare.
Emerald
While the anti-vax folks are almost as horrible as they come, I reserve a special place in hell for parents who refuse to get the HPV vaccine for their daughters.
The HPV vaccine pretty much eliminates the chance that women will get cervical cancer at any time later in their lives, but you have to get the vaccine as a teenager.
Really truly, because it kinda seems like it might involve icky sex, there actually are parents who believe that if their daughters get cervical cancer it’s because they deserve to get it because sin. Special place in Hell, right there, for those parents. Burn.
Brachiator
I was going to go to the movies. Now, maybe not.
These are definitely the dog days of movies as the studios release the films about which they seem to have the least amount of confidence. Film critics also seem to have given up the ghost. One reviewer of the new “Man From UNCLE” claims he only ever saw eight minutes of the TV series, and yet says that the movie gets the show right, and is an elegant throwback to 60s style. Another reviewer says that the movie is great because director Guy Ritchie does the unexpected in giving us a spy movie with little action, a buddy comedy in which the two leads often don’t even appear in the same scenes together, and an action film with lots of “witty banter” substituting for the action.
Another reviewer goes on about the style of a film, as though it’s enough that a movie not actually have a story and interesting characters, but hot 60s costumes and production design. Another reviewer says that the young people who make up a typical summer movie audience should have absolutely no problem relating to the cool retro nature of the film, set in the 60s not the modern day, and the fact that what UNCLE means is barely explained is not an issue at all.
Can you tell that I have lots of doubts about this movie?
I throw up my hands at the critic who announced that she hates biopics before reviewing Straight Outta Compton, or the critic who confesses that she knew nothing about the artists, their time, or their music, and took a bathroom break, but who still liked the movie. Then there was the other critic who didn’t like the film because it wasn’t raw enough and didn’t spell out the oppression that the film’s subjects dealt with. On the other hand, he asked if he were being too superwhite because he really wanted to single out Paul Giamatti who was great in the film. Translation: “I am a white man who did not realize that a film about Negroes might be full of Negroes, and felt tremendous relief when I, a white man, could be shown a white man with whom I could identify. Because, Negroes.”
He also felt that he did not understand Compton, which is apparently a planet further out from our solar system, and inhabited by strange beings whose ways are not comprehensible to ordinary white film critics.
The one useful thing I learned is that the film is 2 and a half hours, which I may not be willing to sit through.
sukabi
That baby probably has a better reason for being mad.
gogol's wife
That’s what she looks like? My God. I had no idea. Wasn’t she sort of attractive a few years ago?
I know I’m being shallow. But it’s the kind of ugly that comes from being an ugly person.
gogol's wife
@Brachiator:
Did you read the NYTimes review of UNCLE? I think it avoided the problems you identify here.
That said, having anyone but David McCallum play Illya Kuryakin is an abomination.
Iowa Old Lady
@Emerald: Hey, if that girl has S-E-X even with her husband, she deserves to have cancer.
mtiffany
@Emerald:
Right there with you. Women (almost always) get HPV from men. There’s the possibility of a bi or lesbian woman contracting HPV by sharing toys with a female partner who’s infected, but mostly, it’s the owner of a diseased dick that’s the culprit. So it’s almost always male promiscuity or male carelessness (not using condoms) that’s to blame. But our culture celebrates that bullshit as being manly…
These people send my blood perssure through the roof.
It’s the worst kind of willful ignorance – the intersection of the anti-choicers and the anti-vaxxers.
Baud
@gogol’s wife:
It’s the first I’ve seen of her too, but to be fair, anyone can take a bad picture.
gogol's wife
@Baud:
Google her and you’ll see this picture is typical of what she looks like now. But the somewhat older pictures show a much more attractive facial expression and demeanor — it’s not just aging.
trollhattan
@mtiffany:
The next school district I read about that tracks HPV vaccinations will be the first. WTF is she even talking about?
jl
If Fiorina is going to take a page from the Christie playbook and talk out of both sides of her mouth at the same time in a craven attempt to have it both ways and still proclaim she is a decisive plain-spoken executive type that doesn’t do ‘nuance’, that is fine with me. I hope it works as well for Fiorina as it has for Christie.
And speaking of serious candidates, a commenter here said a couple of days ago that Trump was not building any primary GOTV organization.
Looks like that that is not true in Iowa. Trump is going in big and trying to take some pages out of Obama 2008 playbook, if WaPo report is true, (via Wonkette).
We Are Sorry, Mr. Trump, We Really Thought You Were Joking
Wonkette
http://wonkette.com/592914/we-are-sorry-mr-trump-we-really-thought-you-were-joking
srv
She’s right about the Californians – now it’s Diploma Amnesty!
The bill won’t get to Moonbeam until… maybe mid-Sept.
Damn rogue hippies ignoring the law.
trollhattan
“Even the liberal NPR” is starting to make cooing noises when referencing Fiorina. Evidently, surviving Thanksgiving dinner at the kiddie table bestows the mantle of seriousness upon you. Also, too, she can form sentences using recognizable word things and subject-verb agreement. Content optional.
geg6
John and I are going to diligently avoid all politics and go to my sister’s to watch a Steeler preseason game, eat lasagna and salad and drink wine. I need to just check out of anything serious and relax for the first time this week.
BGinCHI
OT, kind of.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chicago-tribune-hurricane-katrina
Fuck You, lady.
And Fuck the awful Trib. I wouldn’t wipe my ass with it.
mtiffany
@sukabi:
No more calls please, we have our winner.
SatanicPanic
@BGinCHI: I saw that over at LGM. What kind of horrible person writes that?
BGinCHI
Also, too, we are now living in Norway!
Mrs. BG has a Fulbright at the University of Bergen and yours truly is on sabbatical to write. A new novel…not witty posts for you people.
I’d post photos but sadly I am just a lowly commenter. It’s very beautiful here. Plus socialism.
trollhattan
@gogol’s wife:
She’s morphed quite a bit since the senate run and now is the embodiment of the “Social X-ray” in Wolfe’s “Bonfire of the Vanities.” i.e., She’s going for the Nancy Reagan look.
WereBear
I want Trump to be the Republican candidate. But I’m used to not getting what I want, so I’m braced either way.
Look, I know Trump isn’t a “serious” candidate, but he truly is the biggest asshole running, and that is what the base wants. They want their id to don a fine suit and stand at a podium and rant and rave about all the things they rant and rave about to captive relatives. Then go out and have a fine dinner, a $400 bottle of wine, and his pick of the wimmens.
They want to live the goddamn dream, people, and that guy who was on television and has gobs of money is what they want.
BGinCHI
@SatanicPanic: I suppose someone wanted some attention and the Trib was all too happy to oblige, dying as it is.
Imagine the editorial meeting: “Should we go with something on the Iran treaty or the need for infrastructure repair in the city or that lovely piece on all the poors and coloreds getting drowned?”
Also, if you want your schools to resemble anything in Louisiana you are straight up fucking stupid.
Snarki, child of Loki
” But it’s the kind of ugly that comes from being an ugly person.”
Think that’s bad? You should see the portrait she has hidden in her attic.
WereBear
@BGinCHI: Congrats!
As someone who lives in a Frozen North part of the world, I wish you many warm mittens.
Bill Murray
@Geeno: yeah more like this
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/003/853/MIDDLE_FINGER_CHILD.jpg
jl
When I got the Wonkette link on Trump building a big GOTV operation in Iowa, saw a new post up at Wonkette.
Looks like Jeb! lied about meeting with Black Lives Matter and is now trying to finesse the issue by weaseling and not-responding to simple questions (like: well, did you really meet with real Black Lives Matter people or did you not?). I understand the latter since Jeb! has experienced repeated disaster with SATSQ. (Edit: but weaseling is naughty, nice people don’t do that, Jeb!)
Apparently Jeb! met with some local African-American leaders and tried to pass it off as a meeting with Black Lives Matter.
Jeb Bush Talked To Black People, Says They Mattered, He Can Be President Now?
http://wonkette.com/592954/jeb-bush-talked-to-black-people-says-they-mattered-he-can-be-president-now
My destestation of Jeb! grows.
BGinCHI
@WereBear: Sad but true: not colder in Bergen than it is in Chicago in the winter. Just wetter.
Mittens need to be Gore-Tex.
Iowa Old Lady
@BGinCHI: Oh wow, that sounds fun. Wish I were there!
Brachiator
BTW: cool new google search trick
If you say “OK Google Man From UNCLE reviews,” you get audio and onscreen results.
If you do “Man From UNCLE reviews UK” the first results are British reviews. Helpful if a film has not opened here yet, but is showing in England.
http://lifehacker.com/add-reviews-to-movie-searches-on-google-to-get-snippe-1723929937
Also, this sounds like fun. Could not stream it from work:
This Livetweeting of “The Iliad” Is the Best Thing On the Internet Today
http://gizmodo.com/this-livetweeting-of-the-iliad-is-the-best-thing-on-t-1724142938
Peale
@Brachiator: I think it’s rather dead this weekend. Saw Diary of A Teenaged Girl last weekend. Could quite figure out the point, except that young girls are naive about sex sometimes and maybe like to have sex with older men (hooray?!). In not certain why it got super critical acclaim.
I’m still thinking of going to straight outta Compton, though. American Mistress looks like it might be funny. Got no interest in Merryl Streeps movie. Hmmm. I think we’re pretty much dead through November.
srv
Fiorina is like Palin’s older rocket scientist sister.
She needs to be less technocratic and more populist. Which I’m sure she can do, having run a company with 100s of thousands of employees.
BGinCHI
@jl: In his defense, he’s never met any black people before so he still needs practice.
My question is: if Karl Rove isn’t working for him, how can he win? Also, does that mean Rove knows something we don’t?
BGinCHI
@Iowa Old Lady: Don’t leave your husband for me. It didn’t work for Jennifer Garner and it won’t work for you.
/tough love
debbie
I’m not well versed in diseases, but would there even be a vaccine for a disease that isn’t communicable?
BGinCHI
@srv: You forgot to type the phrase “into the ground” but still good shilling.
jl
@BGinCHI: Will you be BGinNOR for awhile?
Edit: and yes, I am jealous and two, it’s Social Democracy. Hope you two have a great time there.
trollhattan
@jl:
Have they discovered JEB[!]’s voter registration form listing himself as African-American yet? I’m waiting for that any moment now….
trollhattan
@srv:
Fixed that for ya, Skippy.
BGinCHI
@jl: I was thinking of going with either BGtheVIKING or BGinNorge.
Prolly the former.
jl
@debbie: some new treatments for cancer. And some, like for pneumonia, are not for herd immunity but to protect patient from infections from other people. But, I think development of herd immunity is one goal of vast majority of immunizations against communicable diseases.
debbie
@Brachiator:
Makes me miss Pauline Kael all the more.
Myiq2xu
“Two Minutes Hate Open Thread” would be a more accurate title, except it will last quite a bit longer than two minutes.
John Cole should make “Designated Hate Receptacle” a regular tag for posts.
jl
@BGinCHI: BGberSERKER has a ring to it.
trollhattan
@BGinCHI:
BGinVATofLUTEFISK is probably too long, right?
Congrats in any case. And enjoy those seventeen-minute long winter days.
Tree With Water
I’ve publicly suggested that Americans study the Bush Family as researchers do cancer cells, but where Fio-r-oh-no is concerned I say let the kiddies stay up late, and for everyone to enjoy the circus.
Sincerely, A Native Californian
“The miners came in ’49, The whores in ’51, And when they got together, They made the native son”.
lamh36
WHAT.MANNER.OF.FUCKERY.IS.THIS!
Cap'n Phealy
“California is wrong on most everything, honestly,” the failed Senate candidate says. “And those Napa Valley grapes would have been too sour, anyway,” she failed to add.
jl
@trollhattan: If you like snow sports, winter there is no problem at all. Though I have never gone through a whole one of those, so can’t speak authoritatively.
BGinCHI
@jl: I like this. Lot of pressure to post crazy stuff though.
Could nail down the Scandinavian Troll role though.
Peale
@debbie: tetanus isn’t communicable?
mtiffany
@trollhattan:
I’d call the woman a liar, but given how she spins her exit from HP, she’s pretty much taken care of me or anyone else needing to lob that accusation. She’s probably talking about school nurses herding innocent young children into an auditorium or classroom, and our fine, upstanding innocent youngsters, with their innocent bright eyes, and innocent clear skin, and innocent innocence and their pure, precious bodily fluids, are debased and sullied by those evil school nurses, with their godless science and nefarious facts talking to kids about how their bodies work and the changes that will soon be upon them; and when they emerge from the evil liberal “sex ed” indoctrination session they are turned evil and corrupt and hell-bound because they are now slaves to their hormones and have an unquenchable desire for some partial-birth abortion and analhomosex.
Which of course is an exclusive club that requires proof of HPV vaccination before entry. (Entry, tee-hee)
BGinCHI
@trollhattan: Light is so 90s.
jl
@Tree With Water:
“The miners came in ’49, The whores in ’51, And when they got together, They made the native son”.
thanks for my favorite CA saying, speaking as a CA native son.
But lest dear readers be misled, Fiorina was born in Austin Texas.
BGinCHI
@jl: It’s just one year, so with vodka and cable and Trump I can make it.
debbie
@gogol’s wife:
She seems to be morphing into Lily Tomlin’s Ernestine.
scav
@BGinCHI: They have rather taken the “drown government in a bathtub.” and repurposed it to “drowning government in a preventable disaster and incompetent response that kills all those people I just don’t like having in the neighborhood while it’s at it”. Glorious people.
jl
@BGinCHI:
” Lot of pressure to post crazy stuff though. ”
Not my fault you have shirked your duty as a BJ commenter.
trollhattan
@jl:
Lillehammer was far and away my favorite Winter Olympics(tm, all rights reserved). So there’s that. Used to live in Seattle so have a bit of a feel for things Norwegian. Still don’t think I’d winter there but would love to run around the joint with my camera someday.
BGinCHI
@jl: I’ve been busy raising a human being and writing novels.
Mea culpa.
srv
I know what I’m going to be doing Sunday:
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: The Death Panels are only for Republicans, they’re less noticeable than the FEMA camps.
Another Holocene Human
@Emerald: Boys should get them too. Because HPV sucks even if you don’t get cancer. And because: disease vector. Don’t be That Guy.
BGinCHI
@scav: Exactly. The bathtub as deadly 9th Ward.
jl
@BGinCHI: ice skating, snow shoe, cross-country skiing. But I gather you have been condemned to Chicago weather? The cold is different up there.
I’ve met transplants from Great Lakes and Northeast to Alaska when up there. I ask them about the change in climate. They say, never go back, too damn cold and miserable during winter in Chicago, or similar cities.
EditL my winter experience in Scandinavia more like Alaska than Chicago, which is a hot AND a cold hell, as far as I can tell.
Brachiator
@gogol’s wife:
Even the Times reviewer notes the over-reliance on fashion instead of plotting. We got some of this as well in the earlier Kingsmen movie, where a spy must have a bespoke suit. But interesting review.
Yep. On top of this, in a couple of snippets of the film I saw, Armie Hammer was just boring, no screen chemistry at all. McCallum knew how to suggest mystery and competence by underplaying his scenes against the more flamboyant Robert Vaughn.
Bonus trivia. The name Napoleon Solo is used for one of the American gangsters in “Goldfinger.”
trollhattan
@mtiffany: Not sure what to call it but I’m presenting you some kind of award for that lovely rant.
Another Holocene Human
@Brachiator: When did film reviewing turn into such a half-assed affair? Pauline Kael wept.
BGinCHI
@srv: Remember: Don’t cut across the veins, cut from the palm of your hand to the shoulder.
Tree With Water
“SAN FRANCISCO — Air Force and Coast Guard planes tracked a small, experimental aircraft controlled by an apparently incapacitated pilot for three hours before watching it plummet into the Pacific Ocean…..The Coast Guard said Friday that it was still searching for the pilot and Lancair plane about 460 miles west of Point Reyes, California”.
At my most hopeful, that what I envision happening to the national power of the republican party. It’s the small plane which- if the democratic party plays its cards right- can be shepherded out to sea and into political oblivion.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Baud: Well, at least we know where the inspiration for Demon Sheep cam from.
BGinCHI
@jl: The answer to weather is gear and exercise.
trollhattan
@Another Holocene Human: My kid is part way through the regimen and if she were a boy, he’d be too.
The opportunity to eliminate even a single form of cancer should be a source of pride and rejoicing by humankind.
jl
@srv: Thanks. I’ll skip them too. Look for clips of Sanders and O’Malley interviews later.
scav
@BGinCHI: Cross country skiing at night — my sister got rather fond of that while in Oslo. Also, candles, constantly, and she came back with some of the most incredible blankets I’ve ever seen. You will however soon need people to be sending you enormous boxes of actual spices and develop a craving for pizza under 50$. So jealous.
Another Holocene Human
@gogol’s wife: HOLY COW I didn’t recognize her!
I’d seen images of Carly back in her HP/Compaq days. I was following tech stuff a lot more closely back then.
A lot of time passed and my interests changed. I did know about her run in Cali but wasn’t following closely. Of course I saw the “Demon Sheep” ad, which she doesn’t appear in.
When I saw her during the kiddie debate I just assumed I’d never seen her before because I didn’t recognize her __at all__.
There has been work done, even if it’s just collagen in her lips and Botox. But I’d go with the attitude/expression thing as well.
lamh36
@BGinCHI: great minds….I’m just gettin round to reading that bullshit
debbie
@Peale:
Is tetanus communicable? When I’ve had tetanus shots, they weren’t preventative. They were given because I ‘d sliced into my hand or stepped on a nail, etc.
BGinCHI
@lamh36: Best part is her courageous protest that she didn’t mean any disrespect to those who died.
God I hate the fucking Trib.
Ruckus
@BGinCHI:
Haven’t been to Norway in a few decades but it was great when I was there. Cold in the winter of course but beautiful. And the people! Was once asked about a trip to New Zealand just a few yrs ago and as I sat there and ticked off on my fingers all the cool and fun things, it hit me, of all the stuff I enjoyed, I enjoyed the people the most. And the same goes for Norway. OK and a few other places as well. None of them in the US. And before I get eviscerated, there are plenty of people I like here, it’s just a different atmosphere and culture there, many fewer people seem to be unhappy and pissed off.
Schlemazel
@Another Holocene Human:
as a throat cancer survivor all I will ad is rAMEN!
debbie
@srv:
It might be fun watching Carson trying to finesse his history of conducting tissue research.
BGinCHI
Late here in the True North, so good night to all.
Your Northern Europe correspondent signing out.
Schlemazel
@BGinCHI:
After that Sunday line up there will be no need, that amount of brain damage HAS to be fatal.
jl
@scav: If the moon is not out,. you have the aurora lighting things up. I love being out in the snow in the countryside, a magical peace and quiet that is unique.
BGinCHI
@Ruckus: The people have been so great in only the first few days that I’m starting to wonder whether they are human. I think I have been in America too long…..
HumboldtBlue
@Brachiator: Why bother going out? Stay home and watch Mad Max or maybe the Imitation Game or many other new releases. Save some money and enjoy a movie at home
trollhattan
@debbie:
Nope, not communicable. Per Mayo Clinic.
The booster is good for ten years in adults and is part of kids’ DTaP vaccine.
Brachiator
@Peale:
I have not seen the movie. I probably will, and may dread it.
But I have read the amazing book and companion piece “A Child’s Life and Other Stories,” by author and illustrator Phoebe Gloeckner. Much of the work is based on her life, although she denies that it is autobiographical.
There is a fierce honesty here, which some reviewers seem to want to ignore. Maybe the people who adapted it for the screen as well. Some want to see this just as a young woman’s attempt to discover her sexuality. OK. But Gloeckner also gives a sense that this was sadly asymmetrical in the San Francisco of the 1970s. Her mother may have willfully pimped out the girl to her boyfriend in an attempt to keep him, or ignored his advances on the young girl because she was too often drunk or drugged. And (shades of Bill Cosby) it is not clear whether the young girl is willingly trading drugs for sex or being exploited. There is an incredible sense of sadness hanging over much of this, as well as an idea that adults were either ignoring the actions of predators or sometimes joining in the fun as they sought their own bliss.
Finishing the books made me sad and angry at all of the shit that women go through as they grow up, and how difficult it is to navigate the waters of sexuality when there are so many people who don’t care about a woman at all, as long as they can get between their legs.
ThresherK
@BGinCHI: If you can find “Norway: Land of Giants”, a one-off film by John Cleese, I guarantee it’d be worth your time.
—
TO: BJer football fans:
Geographically I’m in between YES and NESN (the Yankees’ and Red Sox’ cable homes), and each was showing the live Bayern Munich match this late afternoon.
Does that mean a whole season of Bundesliga in addition to their co-interested EPL teams? Cos that’d be cool.
(PS That’s Man City for YES and Liverpool for NESN.)
Cckids
@mtiffany:
So . . . she can’t stand up to a school nurse, but she’ll have the spine to run the country? The ads write themselves.
Tokyokie
@trollhattan: And I seriously doubt a school nurse was giving a vaccination, any vaccination, to an 11-year-old without a signed consent form from a parent.
debbie
@trollhattan:
Thanks. Seeing DTP made me remember I’d had those shots every two years when I was a kid.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@BGinCHI: Another writer? (How did I miss this? Or did I know and just forget because I’m senile?)
Can you give me the title of one of your books? I like to support the people I know who write.
Ruckus
@BGinCHI:
Had the same feeling. It must be nice to live in a place where you worry less about having about a third of your fellow citizens shoot you, hate you, try to starve you, try to make you die instead of retire, rub their hands with glee that you don’t have health insurance, let alone good health care………
mtiffany
@trollhattan:
We can call it the “General Ripper” ?
kindness
@srv:
fify
Tokyokie
@BGinCHI: I envy you. My family lived in Stavanger for a couple of years in the early ’70s (my father was an engineer for an oil company), and I loved the place, both the scenery and the people. And one of my goals in life is to spend a Christmas in Bergen. By the way, Norwegian may be difficult to pronounce (unless you’ve studied German or another Scandinavian language) but it has the simplest grammar of any language I’ve ever studied. Not that you’ll need because everybody will speak better English than you ever will Norwegian, but give it a go.
Redshift
@debbie:
It’s still stupid, but I suspect the distinction Fiorina is trying to make is that the HPV vaccine is mostly to protect a person later, as opposed to highly communicable diseases where an outbreak is likely to occur in schools without the vaccine. (Keep in mind that the sort of people who buy into this nonsense are probably also certain that their special little snowflake would never have sex when they’re school age.)
Tree With Water
Now for something completely different and very cool: http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/scientists-find-sinkhole-cave-under
Redshift
@Tokyokie: It’s poorly written, but I’m pretty sure the article means that Fiorina’s daughter
Redshift
@Tokyokie: (Sorry, hit the wrong button.)
It’s poorly written, but I think the article is trying to convey that Fiorina’s daughter was “bullied” into having her daughter vaccinated.
Also, “Bullied by the School Nurse” would be a great title for a song.
A guy
The leading dem candidate is going to jail
SiubhanDuinne
@Brachiator:
I heard a bit on the BBC earlier this afternoon. I’m really excited to go back and catch up on the whole thing. I’ve been kind of obsessed with the foundational texts recently, and in fact have been meaning to ask the Juicetariat:
Are there any classics scholars around here?
I’m looking for good English translations of The Iliad, The Odyssey, and The Aenead — and by “good,” I mean elegant, poetic, and accessible. I’m not looking for a scholarly, literal translation — ideally I’m looking for a readable, understandable work of literature with a graceful narrative arc and distinctive cast of characters.
If you have views and suggestions, I would welcome them. (Of added value would be similar recommendations for Gilgamesh, but that’s less important right now.)
No rush at all. Grateful for any thoughts you have.
If you prefer to email me and not derail a thread (because I can’t imagine that many people are interested in this conversation!), I’m at SiubhanDuinne (at) gmail (dot) com.
Thanks!
Calouste
@Redshift: That’d be Fiorina’s step-daughter. She doesn’t have any children of her own.
mtiffany
@Tokyokie & @trollhattan: School nurses telling kids about the HPV vaccine is the unholy confluence of the anti-vaxxers and the anti-choicers: it outrages the anti-choicers because it presents sexual activity in a factual way, without reference (or reverence) to any particular dogbotherer ideology, and it outrages the anti-vaxxers because any sort of science outrages those people.
Insults aside, I think what bothers both those groups is that they feel like they should have — or do have a right to — absolute control over their childrens’ lives and bodies and they feel like medical science is overriding that right or prerogative. It’s a loss of control issue. Either they don’t understand the science, or they don’t like the fact that their god doesn’t get to enter into it (also another way of saying they don’t understand science). I can even sympathize with the POV that you don’t want to take a chance on something you don’t understand, but FFS, when I had appendicitis I didn’t argue with doctor that diagnosed me with my opinion that it was just a very severe kidney stone and I didn’t argue with my surgeon about how to perform the appendectomy.
So while I enjoy mocking these people mercilessly for the damage their policies and proscriptions would inflict if implemented, I occassionally put myself in their shoes and try to understand what’s motivating them; probably more so I can mock them rather than engage them constructively, I’m a bad person, I can’t help it. But FWIF, just putting it out there: that’s where I think those people are coming from and what motivates their opposition to sex ed and public institutions making knowledge of the HPV vaccine available to kids.
Cckids
@WereBear: I’m watching the Lego Movie with my son, and the combo of Trump’s resemblance to President Business, plus the “Everything Is Awesome ” song is killing me.
ETA: If SNL or some comic doesn’t do a riff on this link, I will be very disappointed.
Omnes Omnibus
@BGinCHI: Cool. How long are going to be there? And could you bring us back some socialism?
SiubhanDuinne
@debbie:
/nasally/ And a gracious good evening to you.
Tokyokie
@Ruckus: When my parents lived in Norway, they rented a house from a family that was going to Africa for a couple of years for a U.N. project. (The landlord was an engineer in the same narrow field of specialization as my father. How weird is that?) The landlord apologized that the front door wouldn’t shut far enough that the lock would engage, but their experience had been that in Norway, one really has no need to lock one’s doors. (They’d been on a monthlong vacation without locking the door behind them, to no ill effect.) That proved to be the case for us as well. Just imagine the sort of people who live in a country where door locks are unnecessary.
gelfling545
@gogol’s wife: Just this. I was madly infatuated with Ilya Kuryakin when I was young!
SiubhanDuinne
@srv:
Doesn’t that make four fucking weeks in a fucking row that Trump has been on Press the Meat? This is bad news for John McCain :-(
Cervantes
@BGinCHI:
Yikes. Be careful not to catch whatever Knausgård caught.
scav
@Pie Happens (opiejeanne): When Lilacs Last In The Dooryard Bloomed unless I’m mistaken.
Another Holocene Human
@Ruckus: My great grandfather, the nasty old Republican, lurved him some socialized medicine in Scandahoovia when he got sick there in the 70s.
I heard about this because his offspring were all raging liberals and extremely tickled by his newfound conviction.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Omnes Omnibus:
Why? ICE would confiscate it at the airport upon his return to the states.
Another Holocene Human
@Schlemazel: Cancer sucks. Glad you’re still with us!
Another Holocene Human
@BGinCHI:
I couldn’t get over how polite everyone was in France in 2005.
To be fair, I feel like Americans in public are a little bit less rude since the recession. There’s nothing like a spec-u-bubble and two wars of choice to bring out the worst in people.
Another Holocene Human
@trollhattan: Living in Florida, I get that booster. No hard freeze = enhanced risk of tetanus.
Omnes Omnibus
@BillinGlendaleCA: If he declares it. I mean people have gotten unpasteurized cheeses through customs.
Betty Cracker
OMFG, just caught part of a Trump press conference (the mister turned on MSNBC). What a deranged buffoon, though he was telling some truth about Rand Paul (yoooodge loser) and Jeb Bush (industrialists’ puppet).
Tokyokie
@Another Holocene Human: While I was living in Norway, I dropped an acetylene bottle on my finger (I still have the scar!) and had to go to the emergency room to get it sewn up. When the physician was finished, I asked how much I owed and where to pay. The doctor gave me a look like I was from another planet.
Peale
@Brachiator: I get that. one definitely doesn’t leave the theater pining for the 70s. The cast is great. But I felt the focus on the 15/38 pair was kind of marred by making her the initiator. I also couldn’t get out of my mind a blog post I had read somewhere about how as an actress ages one year in Hollywood, the male she’s paired with in a movie goes up 5 years. So we have the 22 year old actress and the 40 year old actor. I’m not certain the director got the feel for the story as you described it, but he definitely found a story that had the proper March-September pairing that is preferred.
SiubhanDuinne
@Pie Happens (opiejeanne):
In case he’s gone to bed: When Lilacs Last in the Dooryard Bloomed by Bradley Greenburg.
jnfr
That Trump press conference was amazing. He started out blasting China for not doing enough on climate change. He came out decisively in favor of transparency for all campaign and SuperPAC donations. He once again shredded the Republican candidates, with TRUTH, mind you.
I can’t tell whether wingnut heads are exploding everywhere, or if Trump is enough of a force to actually force change on the party in some way.
mtiffany
@Tokyokie:
I imagine they would be the sort of people that understand that if you’re willing to pay more taxes to make sure everyone is fed, and housed, and has access to comprehensive medical care, then people wouldn’t need to steal in order to feed themselves, their families, or the drug addiction.
Which would be bad news for locksmiths.
Why do you hate locksmiths?
Oh, won’t someone please think of the locksmiths!?!?!
SiubhanDuinne
@Cckids:
Can’t spell “combover” without “combo.”
Another Holocene Human
@Redshift: Isn’t HPV highly communicable? And unlike some of these other modern plagues that hang out in animal reservoirs or small populations of infected humans until the virus mutates again into a highly transmissible form, HPV positive people are all around you all day every day in large numbers.
Acquiring common STIs such as chlamydia, gonorrhea, HPV, and herpes is a depressing reality, and for some percentage of the public school population, inevitability prior to graduation.
We are doing a TERRIBLE job educating young people about STI prevention, to add to the complete dereliction of duty in looking after teenagers’ emotional, spiritual, and physical needs.
The LEAST we can do is vaccinate them for HPV. The very, fucking least.
gelfling545
@Snarki, child of Loki: Reminds me of one of my favorite PG Wodehouse lines about some unprepossessing person whose face seemed like it couldn’t have got that way without it being mostly his own fault.
Cckids
@SiubhanDuinne: ha! Perfect. The Trump “do” would be EASILY recreated in Lego hair.
Debbie
@Betty Cracker:
O/T but did you know that Franzen has a book coming out next month? Titled Purity, it’s already getting positive press.
Another Holocene Human
@mtiffany:
Yes. It’s an obsession. A very unhealthy one. And one that sometimes explodes in extremely harmful–and permanent–ways.
Turgidson
Just yesterday, she claimed to have the character to never lie to the American people.
I see that promise lasted a day. Or she’s a fucking moron. I’m going with both.
Tree With Water
@mtiffany: Yeah, it sure would have been nice to have lived in Atlantis way-back-when..
BillinGlendaleCA
@Another Holocene Human: If those over sexed kiddies would just keep the ol’ aspirin between their legs this would not be a problem.
Omnes Omnibus
@gelfling545: At age 50, every man has the face he deserves.
–George Orwell.
Kathleen
@lamh36: Lawyers, Guns & Money had a good take on this:
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2015/08/today-in-offensive-arguments
Brachiator
@SiubhanDuinne:
The most recent translation of the Iliad has been called one of the best in a recent review.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n12/colin-burrow/the-empty-bath
Peter Green is the translator. I think Richmond Lattimore is good for the Iliad. I like Robert Fagles Odyssey
BillinGlendaleCA
It’s really clear here in LA(due to low humidity), I’d go for a hike in the hills but it’s also 100 degrees out there.
http://www.wunderground.com/webcams/ymcafoothills/1/show.html?&MR=1
Omnes Omnibus
@lamh36: She been getting slaughtered on twitter since last night.
PurpleGirl
@trollhattan: My Norwegian penpal was born and raised in Lillehammer. The year before he began college — when he was still in the army — he collected a bunch of penpals so he could practice using his English. According to what he told me, a lot of his college courses would be taught in English, hence a need to begin using it again. To help people practice English and to save money, Norwegian TV subtitled American and UK shows in Norwegian and broadcast them in English. Actually Harald’s English was pretty good.
gogol's wife
OT to any possible thread, but Animal Crackers is on TCM, and I’m marvelling once again at how Lillian Roth just leaps out of the screen. I love her.
Iowa Old Lady
OT, for readers and writers both: The winners of this year’s Bulwer-Lytton bad writing award have been announced:
http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2015win.html
Tree With Water
They just make shit up out of thin air:
“Gov. Jindal opposes the tearing down of these historical statues and has instructed his staff to look into the Heritage Act to determine the legal authority he has as governor to stop it,” Jindal spokesman Doug Cain said in an email to the newspaper.
.. But according to the Advocate, no such “Heritage Act” exists in Louisiana. The law in question may refer to a statue passed in South Carolina in 2000 that protected the Confederate flag at the Charleston statehouse, according to the paper..”.
gogol's wife
@gelfling545:
Me too!
Betty Cracker
@Debbie: Did not know that, but I look forward to it. Thanks for the heads-up!
David Koch
Photo of ¡Jeb! struggling to eat a snickers bar at Iowa State Fair while wearing an Apple watch.
¡Jeb! is just not any good at this.
Cervantes
@SiubhanDuinne:
You’ll find other recommendations — good ones — but I’d suggest you look up an old friend of mine, Robert Fagles, who, among other things, translated all three works you mention. The Introductions to the three volumes were written by another old friend, Bernard Knox.
Anne Laurie
@debbie:
I actually thought of that, but Ernestine was always in on the joke.
And I don’t think Carly has figured out yet — joke’s on her!
Brachiator
@Peale: The screenwriters and the director are women. The writer of the source material is one of the screenwriters. I think they sanitized the material to make it more acceptable. But again, I have not seen the movie yet, just read some of the reviews. I would be happy if my instincts about the film are not correct.
Tree With Water
@Anne Laurie: Ernestine didn’t care, because she didn’t have to.
SiubhanDuinne
@Brachiator:
Thank you. That review/analysis was a pleasure to read. I don’t know the Green translation but will look for it. I read Fagles’ Odyssey many years ago.
Debbie
@SiubhanDuinne:
I’m very, very far from a scholar, but I thought Lombardo’s translations of the Iliad and Odyssey were very accessible. Certainly better than whatever translation I read in high school.
Omnes Omnibus
@Brachiator: The live tweeting is awesome. They just buried Hector.
SiubhanDuinne
@Cervantes:
Thanks! As I mentioned to Brachiator, I do know Fagles’ Odyssey (although it has been more years than I want to admit since I read it). Pretty sure I haven’t read his Iliad, and know for sure I haven’t read his Aenead. Introductions by Bernard Knox is just a bonus, and the completist in me likes the idea of a “matched set” so to speak.
How did you happen to know these two eminent scholars, if you don’t mind my asking?
raven
The first section of siding is up!
Tree With Water
@Cervantes: Thanks for mentioning Fagles. I recently read a copy Suetonius’s Twelve Caesars that I’ve dragged around for years, and thoroughly enjoyed it. The Iliad and Odyssey is one of those reads I’ve too long deferred, so I just ordered Fagles translations. His work got rave reviews by others, too..
SiubhanDuinne
@Debbie:
I will have to check out Lombardo. Thank you!
PurpleGirl
@raven: Yay. Looking good. Just keep chanting “it will get done, it will get done, it will get done, etc.”
Omnes Omnibus
@efgoldman: My nephew likes that stuff.
SiubhanDuinne
@raven:
That looks great! Shouldn’t be long now….
mtiffany
@Iowa Old Lady:
That is awesome!
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
@Omnes Omnibus: Your nephew should be committed as a danger to himself and others.
Tissue Thin Pseudonym
I got the 2nd round of developmental edits back from my editor today:
So, I’m in a good mood. And I have stuff to do this weekend that doesn’t involve marketing.
Omnes Omnibus
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Everyone should have some eccentricities.
@Tissue Thin Pseudonym: Cool.
Gimlet
Pure entertainment, a hissy fit
http://observer.com/2015/08/the-countless-crimes-of-hillary-clinton-special-prosecutor-needed-now/
By Sidney Powell
After years of holding herself above the law, telling lie after lie, and months of flat-out obstruction, HIllary Clinton has finally produced to the FBI her server and three thumb drives. Apparently, the server has been professionally wiped clean of any useable information, and the thumb drives contain only what she selectively culled. Myriad criminal offenses apply to this conduct.
While the FBI and Department of Justice have willfully ignored Hillary Clinton’s outrageous conduct, they didn’t hesitate a minute to investigate and prosecute former CIA Director and national hero, General Petraeus. He was just tarred, feathered and ridden out of the CIA on a rail for sharing some information (his own notebook) with his biographer who was both in the military and had a top secret clearance. Yet, Petraeus did not have a secret server set up to house his classified and top secret information or digital satellite imagery; he destroyed nothing; and, there was no “leak.” But that’s not all.
Tree With Water
@efgoldman: “Outdoor voice”- I like that. I’m also starting to see a the national republican party as a house of cards; billionaire cards, to be sure, but for that reason an entity that can be more easily electorally conquered. In that sense, their current infighting can serve as a window into how best to effect that happy ending.
Gimlet
@Tree With Water:
Biggest crisis is Trump. If they sideline him does he go 3rd party? Until this is resolved nothing gets done.
jl
@Gimlet: If Trump is building a big and effective ground GOTV organization in Iowa as WaPo reported yesterday, the crisis is only going to get bigger.
And now Trump is promising something he calls ‘policy proposals’. Interesting to see what that turns out to be. He doesn’t have to do much of anything to offer something more credible than the other GOPers. I am curious to see what he comes up with, though not very hopeful.
Edit: never thought I would be nostalgic for the Romney days for GOP competence and sanity. But, here we are.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: He has outsourced his immigration proposal to Jeff Sessions.
Tree With Water
@Gimlet: I don’t see that. They’re all Trumps in terms of disposable cash. The GOP is today less a party than a collection of individual sticks, that can be snapped by properly applied force. It’s an opening I think can be exploited by the democratic party to discredit the republican party to the point of its extinction as a national power. What would fill the vacuum, now that’s another story..
Gimlet
@Tree With Water:
But Trump can potentially take with him enough voters to hurt the nominee’s chances, the rest can go 3rd party and it won’t matter.
Tree With Water
@Gimlet: But there can be be no “3rd party”, any more than so-called party of T-Baggers are to be differentiated from republicans. They’re all in the same toilet bowl, so to speak. I happen to think they’re primed to be flushed, is all.
mtiffany
@Gimlet: If I didn’t know any better I’d swear that this whole server business was a deliberate troll by Clinton. No minds have been changed on either side — nobody is going to change their vote because of this nonsense. It just makes the people screaming loudest about it look like reflexive Clinton haters. Maybe she wins votes when people roll their eyes at Fox ‘News.’
Gimlet
@Tree With Water:
I think he’ll get a not insignificant number of voters that want a third party in theory or don’t particularly care for either traditional party’s nominee. That will give him a larger number than just the TP fraction.
Baud
@Gimlet:
No citation needed.
Omnes Omnibus
@Baud: The indictment will be yuuuge.
Tree With Water
@Gimlet: Whatever. A Trump candidacy under any party’s banner will serve the righteous cause of inflicting serious harm on the party of American fascism, ironically enough. Is this a great country, or what? (thank you, Justice Weather Vane?).
Baud
@Omnes Omnibus:
In the Violations of Law section, it’ll just say “All of them, Katie.”
Gimlet
@mtiffany:
It’s still unfolding. I don’t think it’s harmless. I think this and all the related issues are harming Hillary’s chances of election.
Also depends on events in the GOP, but if this was the only “scandal”, it would be harmful to her.
Gimlet
@Omnes Omnibus:
The mention of “Petraeus” reopened many a closed conservative wound.
jl
@Omnes Omnibus: Jeff Sessions never said one thing about building the classiest hugest most luxurious and opulent border wall ever, with a big door with gold gimcracks Give Trump some credit.
Gimlet
The Guardian
St Louis County police are investigating a Facebook comment in which one of their officers appears to brag about the extra income he earned while working during protests in Ferguson which marked the one-year anniversary of the killing of Michael Brown.
Officer Todd J Bakula, known as “TJ”, appears to be showing off about extra money earned while part of a massive police response throughout this week with the anniversary demonstrations of Brown’s death, which saw St. Louis County cops working long hours.
“I decided to spend my annual Michael Brown bonus on a nice relaxing bicycle ride trip to Defiance,” a Missouri recreation destination about 40 miles from Ferguson, Bakula wrote on his personal Facebook page under the name TJ Thekoola.
Omnes Omnibus
@jl: Well, of course he is going to trump it up.
Peale
@jl: the wall doesn’t really distinguish Trump. All republicans offer to do that. It’s just that he’s the only one promising to build it from funds obtained from Mexico.
SiubhanDuinne
@Omnes Omnibus:
Did you happen to hear the part where Hephaestus forged a new shield for Achilles? That was just amazing.
Iowa Old Lady
@mtiffany: The art of it is they’re just close enough to reality to be recognizable.
Omnes Omnibus
@Peale: His is also going to bigger and classier than any other wall ever built. Bigger and classier than that little piece of crap in China.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@scav: Thank you! I will pick it up.
Omnes Omnibus
@SiubhanDuinne: I was at work for a good chunk of it. I hope they do the Odyssey next. I was informed of it by @ChaucerDothTweet.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@SiubhanDuinne: And thank you, too.
lamh36
@Kathleen: dont’ know if you are still around, but thank you for posting that…I made me cry!
I’m gonna post it to my FB page. I workk in the downtown hospital with alot of the same people who worked for Old Charity and of course I remember Charity Hospital and my mother and her siblings and alot of other poor residents were born at Charity…so this bit about Charity really hit home.
Mike in NC
We were at a party tonight and everybody thought dressing up like Donald Trump for Halloween is going to be yooooouge.
Brachiator
@Omnes Omnibus:
Just got a chance to check out the live tweeting (twitter block at work). Great stuff.
Great mix of “high” culture and current tech.
Great sense of the power and anger of Achilles.
Tree With Water
@mtiffany: The same fuckers that conjured all the various scandal-“gates” during the ’90’s are behind this ginned-up fairy tale about the State Department e-mails. Ironically, it was those very same fuckers that Hillary allied herself to a few years later, when she supported the Bush-Cheney plot to war. I guess it’s like they say: if you want a friend in Washington D.C., better buy yourself a dog.
Pie Happens (opiejeanne)
@raven: That looks great!
SiubhanDuinne
@Brachiator:
Isn’t this amazing?
lamh36
@Kathleen: Sorry, I was actually talking about the Charlie Pierce article that someone linked to in the comments from your link.
If ya’ll decide to read any article published on NOLA, 10 years after Katrina…please read Charlie Pierce’s Esquire colum.
My reaction:
Thank you Charlie Pierce
https://twitter.com/psddluva4evah/status/632363258314420224
Jeffro
@Mike in NC:
I was out for drinks and dinner tonight with a wingnut friend and my wingnut brother…eventually Trump comes up and I go, “I just don’t see how he gets out, is forced out, or whatever.” Wingnut brother starts explaining how eventually the rest of the party will coalesce around a more ‘sensible’ choice. Wingnut friend goes, “You know, everything Trump says makes sense…” I didn’t have to say squat for the rest of the evening.
Happy Halloween, GOP: you’re in for an awful lot of scary stuff these next 15 months!
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Schlemazel:
I still can’t believe that the press were such fucking assholes to Michael Douglas when he mentioned that, yes, oral sex is a possible transmission vector of HPV from women to men and could have caused his throat cancer. They were like a bunch of goddamned 12-year-olds acting like they were going to get cooties because an adult was talking about the S-E-X!!
Sm*t Cl*de
This is in accordance with the prophecy.
Any material left undeleted from the server = breach of security = IMPEACH CLINTON.
All material deleted from the server = destruction of evidence = IMPEACH CLINTON.
Sondra Fabe
Of course the whole point of vaccinations is to protect the entire population from exposure to the viruses, not just the children in public schools.
That means those unvaccinated kiddies should be barred from all public places if you use this weird logic.
They would have to be sequestered somewhere forever though because once out in the general population they could still infect a lot of people who are vulnerable: like the elderly and babies who are too young to have gotten the vaccination.
I don’t even know why we are having this conversation. Children should get their shots from their pediatricians whenever it’s appropriate and maybe these dimwits need to be reminded what the horrible consequences of measles, chicken pox and polio are.
Do they still make those iron lungs?
David Marotta
@gogol’s wife:
Great comment!
dmbeaster
@srv: You can have your Brownback, Christie, Kasich, Walker, Scott, Jindal and other failed Republican governors, and I’ll take “Moonbeam” any day, all the time, and obviously be better for it.
Name one current Republican governor who has outperformed him. You can’t.