Senator Warren’s comments were much more honest than those of the pig castrator.
4.
MattF
If all she ever did was turn Scott Brown back into a political zero, it would have been enough. But she just goes on, being eloquent and being right.
5.
Librarian
Huffpo has a big picture of Ernst on its front, and holy shit does she look like a fucking cretin. I hope the people of Iowa are proud of themselves. She’s a slightly smarter version of Sarah Palin.
6.
Keith G
I would like to see Sen Warren give the prime time (featured) Key Note Address at the 2016 convention.
@MattF: I’m glad people listen to her now. She was crying in the wilderness all through the Great Credit Bubble. I think there was this one documentary that nobody saw that interviewed her and Dave Ramsey about consumer credit. I think Boston media gave her some airing. But nobody wanted to listen to her “blah blah blah poor people blah blah blah doom and gloom”.
So glad she jumped into politics after the GOP blocked her off the consumer protection bureau. How d’ya like THEM apples, Mitch McConnell?
10.
Another Holocene Human
It’s a great rant. Go Warren!
It is hard for me to listen to her, though, because she reminds me of my mother on a resentful tirade. (Mom grew up in Bartlesville.)
11.
Chris
“I stand with Planned Parenthood.” Delightful. This is exactly what I’ve been thinking Democrats need to do since this whole bullshit started.
There are millions of American women who rely on Planned Parenthood for their health services. Many of them vote Democrat and might just have done it with the thought that Democrats would protect services like those that PP provides. Even more of them might get motivated and turn out to vote if they see the fight for PP as a Democrat/Republican fault line (rather than “Republicans hate it, Democrats roll over and let it die.”) If “it’s the right thing to do” isn’t reason enough to stand up for PP, the above should be.
Heck, didn’t someone a few threads ago link to a poll showing that Planned Parenthood was more popular than either political party? Stand by it, for fuck’s sake.
Have been thinking that it’s no longer accurate to identify Sens. Cruz and Cornyn as (R-Tex). Should be (T-Rex). Because they are, in every way, dinosaurs.
@Chris: So far, it appears Democrats are standing by Planned Parenthood. I throw a few $$$ their way each month and hope that they survive the latest political kerfluffle unlike ACORN.
24.
Tinare
She is awesome!
25.
Patricia Kayden
@Germy Shoemangler: I don’t know why Carson is running but it’s not to become the next President. There’s some other angle he’s aiming for. He looks bored most of the time, almost like he’s forcing himself to stay awake. I used to like him before I found out he was an extreme Rightwinger. Kind of sad how his politics have poisoned his legacy.
26.
Steeplejack
That is an amazing talk. Amazing in that I watched it all the way through. I am a reader, and sometimes it’s hard for me to listen to someone because the information bandwidth is usually much lower. But, damn, Warren hit it out of the park. She was factual, she was direct, she laid out the whole things in terms stark enough to explain to your teatard Facebook friend. And she hung it all on the Republicans—as she should have. Awesome!
27.
Woodrowfan
I wish someone would ask Carson his opinion of women doctors, esp surgeons.
28.
Brachiator
Senator Warren nails it. A welcome counter to Republican led foolishness.
29.
kindness
Elizabeth is so dependable. Gotta love the woman. Sure wish Charles Pierce would come back from vacation. Been missing his pearls.
Yeah, the ACORN fate is what really needs to be avoided here, especially since it’s pretty clear that that’s exactly the precedent Republicans have in mind. They figure if they could use edited videos, outright lies and lots of loud screaming to bring down one organization that provides an invaluable service for millions of poorer Americans, they can do it with another. (And, presumably, then another, and another, and another…)
33.
Hal
@Patricia Kayden: Carson has said in the past God wanted him to run for president. Maybe he hasn’t heard back regarding his request to withdraw.
She was factual, she was direct, she laid out the whole things in terms stark enough to explain to your teatard Facebook friend.
Yeah, but that teatard friend will just launch an ad hominem screed on Senator Warren and accuse her of lying without actually listening to what she said.
36.
Kropadope
Speaking of Senator Warren, but otherwise off topic, I called her office today as well as emailing JPK3 to solicit their opinions on the Iran deal and to let them know I would like them to support it. Please call your representatives!!!
ETA: My phone literally died right then, so I have yet to call Ed Markey’s office. AT&T store won’t let me pick up a phone on my own either (no autonomy on family plan, still like it)
That’s definitely their plan here. The hope is that Planned Parenthood is well-known and respected enough to withstand this bullshit. The GOP was able to fearmonger over ACORN partly because hardly anyone knew what the hell it was. Planned Parenthood is more visible and has more powerful allies. Hopefully that’s enough to make this stunt boomerang on the nutjobs this time.
OT: Just called Sen’s Bennet and Gardner’s offices about the Iran deal. Bennet’s staffer made sure to take down my zip code, so he’s obviously still calculating his opinion… if there are any other folks with ties to CO give him a ring!
ETA: Bennet’s office had a several minute hold, Gardner’s picked up right away. Fuck that guy, he isn’t even popular enough to get phone calls.
39.
Joe Falco
Wonder Warren?
40.
boatboy_srq
@Librarian: @japa21: A hunk of granite would be slightly smarter than Sarah Palin, so that’s not an especially high bar. But I see japa21 beat me to the punch.
41.
trollhattan
@Germy Shoemangler:
What, Rick Dees not available? Has Laffer acquired a new supply of bar napkins?
Can’t we all agree, given that PP performs a procedure that many Americans in good faith view as murder that it’s unacceptable that their tax dollars go to fund a procedure they view as immoral? And don’t give me the ban on federal funds for abortion nonsense–money is fungible.
There are 100s of thousands of community health centers that do all the good things PP does without the dealing in baby body parts.
Let’s agree to disagree on abortion, but taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to fund something they view as baby murder.
@Right to Rise: I’ve never pie’d somebody this quickly before! Well done.
55.
MattF
@Right to Rise: So… you’re saying that any payment for any procedure that could, conceivably be used to support abortion (say for rent, or other overhead expenses) ought to be forbidden?
Yeah, the ACORN fate is what really needs to be avoided here, especially since it’s pretty clear that that’s exactly the precedent Republicans have in mind.
ACORN didn’t have nearly the backing that Planned Parenthood does. PP isn’t completely invulnerable, but it has strong backing from the party, and it has pretty good resources to defend itself politically. It also helps that people have wised up and know to ask for the whole source video when one of these selectively edited pieces of crap floats to the top of the turd bowl.
I wouldn’t expect the teatard friends (hypothetical for me, thank God) to actually listen to Elizabeth Warren, but she boiled it down to a couple of points anyone could use to pound them with: this has little to do with abortion, since no federal funds go to Planned Parenthood abortions; a lot of people use Planned Parenthood services, even if they’re not broadcasting it at the Thanksgiving dinner table; and this is part of a concerted attack on contraception and women’s control over their own bodies.
P.S. I signed into YouTube just so I could “like” that video, and the voting was running about 270–30 in favor of it.
65.
scav
@Major Major Major Major: teach? No no, government indoctrination: it’s the socialists holding the white man down by forcing spelling conventions down their O! ever so attractive throats — with big tech sneaking in and enforcing the PC manacles with their little red(!) squiggly underlines and the autocorrect jack-booted policing.
66.
Another Holocene Human
@Tokyokie: She is pretty bummed about what happened to the place.
They figure if they could use edited videos, outright lies and lots of loud screaming to bring down one organization that provides an invaluable service for millions of poorer Americans, they can do it with another. (And, presumably, then another, and another, and another…)
@A guy: Here come the trolls……..I see your id brother Right to Rise has also made an appearance. Have a nice day fellas.
75.
Germy Shoemangler
@Another Holocene Human: Watching the interview today was the first time I’d actually seen Ben Carson in an extended interview. He sounded superficially reasonable at first; he doesn’t come across as a wild-eyed maniac, like some of those on the right.
But he barely opened his eyes at all. He reminded me somewhat of Wimpy, the hamburger fancier from the Popeye the Sailor Man saga.
(The reason I’m doing this so rapidly during work hours is because I’m attending DEFCON virtually which it turns out is really boring.)
78.
scav
@Major Major Major Major: Noah Webster, that cancerous worm of early American academic standards and elitism.
He has been called the “Father of American Scholarship and Education.” His blue-backed speller books taught five generations of American children how to spell and read, secularizing their education. According to Ellis (1979) he gave Americans “a secular catechism to the nation-state.”
Art Laffer. He has a surprisingly apropos surname. At this point, saying you want to take your economic advice from Art Laffer is basically the same thing as saying you take learn your history from the Lyndon LaRouche weirdos who set up shop on street corners.
What it really means when he gets name-dropped by GOPers is “I want to hear from a guy who will assure me that cutting my own taxes is a wonderful, wonderful idea without burdening me with trifling inconveniences like facts and evidence.”
First, most Americans want to keep abortion legal. Second, there have been lots of things done in the name of “Americans in good faith” that have been wrong: slavery, invading countries to take their land, and the subjugation of women. Third, banning the legal practice of abortion doesn’t end abortion.
@Turgidson: In the interview, Carson said he favored a flat tax. He said “If you make ten billions dollars a year, you’ll pay one billion in taxes. If you make ten dollars in a year, you’ll pay one dollar.”
The interviewer nodded like it was the most reasonable thing he’d ever heard.
85.
Tokyokie
@Chris: Well, there’s not all that many groups for them to go after, as opposed to right-wing PACs.
86.
Another Holocene Human
@Kropadope: Thanks for the reminder. I hit my senators.
My phone died mid-call as well (hazukashii) and I had to borrow my wife’s Verizon phone.
I think a strike was just called on Verizon’s land-line division. Damn them for having better signal today!!
87.
Emessbe
She’s just wonderful. So glad I supported her campaign.
He’s said he won’t be swayed by “pressure or party” (… probably just AIPAC)
89.
Another Holocene Human
@Turgidson: My MIL said the most ridiculous thing on a family vacation, that ACORN was evil (because FOX News said so) but they were the place to go if you needed help with housing/a mortgage and she did, decades ago.
My wife was elbowing me furiously so I would keep my mouth shut.
ETA: Bennet’s office had a several minute hold, Gardner’s picked up right away. Fuck that guy, he isn’t even popular enough to get phone calls.
Yup, Nelson went to VM as always, Rubio picked up right away. Guess who is doing constituent service and who isn’t.
91.
trollhattan
@Brachiator: So, Trump is the Jupiter of the lineup, absorbing stray rock candidates that might otherwise sneak past his gas-giant self and enter earth’s orbit? ¡HEB! is magically immune to these gravitational powers and will pass by in order to crash into our planet November after next? Is this the theory being proffered?
@Another Holocene Human:
Must have been a long damn trip. How long for the ribs to heal?
94.
Toschek
For some reason I saw Teanderthals in the headline. Carry on.
95.
Another Holocene Human
@SiubhanDuinne: Or cops shooting Black people?
Or prisoners being executed?
Or frackers being allowed to pump secret toxic chemicals into the ground at high pressure?
Or MD residents and junior pilots putting peoples’ lives in their hands at hour 36 without sleep?
Or coal extraction companies refusing to keep their workplaces safe?
We’re just getting started.
96.
japa21
Thank God that Zandar didn’t put up this post or we would have to deal with Knowbody as well.
I pretty much ignore R2R now. His comments have about 5% fact, 95% BS and 100% ignorance.
Where’d you pull that quote from? This is what I see.
I don’t filter trolls. Here on BJ, they are mostly inconsequential. Or sometimes DougJ in ideological drag. Unless they are totally crazy people, I am curious as about their views.
@Right to Rise: No, we can’t agree with you whatsoever on anything, asshole. Putting a happy face on policies intended to turn women into second-class citizens doesn’t make you or Jeb! any less misogynistic. Americans of good faith don’t use any tactic necessary to achieve their policy aims, whether it be bombing abortion clinics, murdering abortion providers, or using dishonestly edited videos. If you want to agree — and I find you extraordinarily disagreeable — then let’s agree that you’re an underhanded, untrustworthy piece of shit who will do anything for a buck and that you represent the imposition of heriditary titles upon the body politique. Beyond that, kindly be fucking off now.
It’s why German orthographic reform didn’t happen until quite a bit after WW2.
And it has apparently backfired spectacularly. My German coworkers tell me that there was so much resistance to the new spelling that they had to backtrack and allow people to continue using the old version, with the result that things are more complicated and less regular than they were before. Genius!
104.
Another Holocene Human
@MattF: Krugman raises some interesting sociological/anthropological/psychological questions there. I agree that Bush and his team were realists about the economy, unlike the rubes they courted.
I guess what’s changed now is that the rubes are in charge.
(Btw, realists doesn’t mean they weren’t crooks, also, too.)
105.
oldster
Warren squarely blames Republicans, by name. She calls them Republicans, and blames it on Republicans, and talks about the damage that Republicans do.
God it’s good to hear.
Would it be that hard for all of the other Democrats to get a clue, and act the same way?
I know why Obama doesn’t do it, and I appreciate the line he has to walk. But for the rest of the leadership, there is no excuse.
We’ve had forty years of Democrats shying away from direct partisan confrontation. The net result is wide-spread confusion about where the problem lies–low-info voters who think that both sides are to blame.
Well, what *can* they think, given that when Republicans drive up the deficit, no one says “Republicans drove up the deficit!”, and when Republicans destroy public schools, no one says “Republicans destroyed public schools!” and when Republicans break the government no one says “Republicans broke the government!” No one is placing the blame where it belongs, loudly and publicly.
That’s why it’s so good to hear Warren lay it out.
@Brachiator: I’ve only got A Guy and R2R filtered right now. And I can always click the little arrow thing to see what they actually said. I often do. I’m not incurious.
@ThresherK (GPad): am I the only one who remembers the “you know who else” formulation…
@Roger Moore: I’ve heard the exact opposite from Berliners who have to work with Bavarians. Evidently it’s still controversial :)
109.
Another Holocene Human
@Major Major Major Major: The Nazi push for font change took, though. I don’t know a hell of a lot about it, just that I was creeped out when I found out. The 30s German font looks kind of Austrian influenced, and of course it looks to the West, it’s modern (sans serif!), and maybe was associated in peoples’ minds with streamlined buildings and fussy modern hairstyles.
Well, I put the video on FB with a “I stand with PP too” statement. May only annoy the rw nuts I know, but it needs to be said. And shared.
10 or more years ago I told the young yuppie financial traders that going after birth control was the end game of the anti choice crowd. Of course they treated that statement as tinfoil hat crazy. Not quite so ludicrous now, though
112.
Another Holocene Human
@trollhattan: Heh, I was kind of stressed but thankfully we were not all crammed in a car together.
eta: MIL was spending most of her time that day taking care of her dad. He passed in May.
They figure if they could use edited videos, outright lies and lots of loud screaming to bring down one organization…
Ably abetted by a highly compliant media. Lying has anywhere from zero cost to a high payoff, depending on the fickle mood of journalists.
114.
gogol's wife
This is probably heresy, but I kind of welcome the return of the trolls. They’re livening things up around here. Constant agreement is boring. It’s fun to see the pitiful arguments of the other side.
115.
Patricia Kayden
@satby: It is kind of crazy that birth control is the end game though. You’d think that people who are against abortions would champion birth control as a way to prevent unwanted pregnancy. But I guess it’s about sex. If you have sex, you deserve to become pregnant and you cannot end the pregnancy under any circumstances. It’s about controlling women’s sexuality and limiting sex to good married folks.
I guess what’s changed now is that the rubes are in charge.
Which should come as no surprise. Even if the people who start selling the bullshit know that’s what they’re doing, they won’t live forever. Eventually, the business will be taken over by true believers who got hooked and never figured out the true business plan. A large fraction of today’s Republican leaders are people who grew up during or since the Reagan administration, so they’ve been indoctrinated with his nonsense for their whole political lives.
118.
Patricia Kayden
@gogol’s wife: Pitiful is the word. And repetitive. How many times do we have to read about Jebbie clearing the field?
119.
Another Holocene Human
@Roger Moore: The original reform was fine. That mishegas a decade ago was a joke. Betttuch? Dumping all the esszets for sssss everywhere? Everything looked ugly and was annoying. Seriously, BeTTTuch. Make it stop.
Troll said yesterday he’d be off the blog till Thursday night. Troll lied (shocking, I know). But of course troll gets lots of feeding, so here we are, up to our armpits in stink again.
A police officer in Alabama proposed murdering a black resident and creating bogus evidence to suggest the killing was in self-defence, the Guardian has learned.
Officer Troy Middlebrooks kept his job and continues to patrol Alexander City after authorities there paid the man $35,000 to avoid being publicly sued over the incident. Middlebrooks, a veteran of the US marines, said the man “needs a god damn bullet” and allegedly referred to him as “that nigger”, after becoming frustrated that the man was not punished more harshly over a prior run-in.
a) Middlebrooks apparently made the suggestions to the man’s brother-in-law.
b) HIs boss seems to be defending the cop by saying the was really saying the B-I-L should do the killing.
c) City councilors don’t seem to have been told about the payoff.
d) Said cop was later involved in supporting evidence in another controversial killing.
and so the alphabet goes. Might have to add the Runic, Greek and WingDing characters in to cover all the points.
@Patricia Kayden: exactly.I’m old enough to remember pre-Roe days, and sluts being punished for illicit sex via pregnancy was the whip that kept girls in line, supposedly.
Birth control, and later legal and available abortion have upended their ability to keep the ladies in line, producing good white snowflake babies.
Did I mention the racism of the anti choice movement in those years?
They figure if they could use edited videos, outright lies and lots of loud screaming to bring down one organization that provides an invaluable service for millions of poorer Americans, they can do it with another. (And, presumably, then another, and another, and another…)
I don’t get it. We are supposed to be a country of laws where everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Yet regarding Planned Parenthood, the party that claims they are more uber-American than anybody else want to hang them with HIGHLY EDITED videos. Where the hell is the outrage from the media?
Heck, didn’t someone a few threads ago link to a poll showing that Planned Parenthood was more popular than either political party? Stand by it, for fuck’s sake.
To be fair, it doesn’t take much to be more popular than either party. Wasn’t their a poll a year ago that said that cockroaches were popular than Congress?
133.
MariedeGournay
@Right to Rise: Anti-abortion activists are acolytes of the Anti-Life Equation. They are not pro-life; they are anti-life. They want to supplant the will and desires of others with their own by stoking fears about phantom babies. They are defined by a singular undying hatred of people who make moral decisions different from their own. The are inheritors of Inquisition; they want a world of mirrors reflecting their self-righteousness, and everything else can Die for Darkseid.
Unless they are totally crazy people, I am curious as about their views.
I still tend to read what srv and mclaren manage to blort out. Helps me see what angry white dudes – making assumptions here, but WTF – are bellyaching about.
But Troll2Rise doesn’t have views. It has a machine-like ability to produce sentences that all mean the same thing: “I am an idiot blind follower and/or paid under-under-underling of a specific campaign and I will do as programmed.” So not interesting.
This is probably heresy, but I kind of welcome the return of the trolls.
I agree – when we don’t have enough trolls the FPers have to do the trolling themselves. They deserve to take a break.
They’re livening things up around here. Constant agreement is boring.
Wait – whut? Did you post this to the wrong blog?
It’s fun to see the pitiful arguments of the other side.
Eh – the trolls around here are still terrible at arguments, but I don’t think they’re representative of the right-wing as a whole. “A guy” is a sad parrot who can’t quite seem to keep his talking points straight, “Right to Rise” is clearly an asshole liberal pretending to be Jeb! supporter to troll us for shits and giggles, and “Knowbody” is less a troll and more a stalker obsessed with Zandar who brays out jackassary in desperate hope that someone will notice him and validate him and make him feel like something other than the pathetic loser he clearly is.
We used to get decent trolls around here, back in the day. These guys sprout fewer angry responses totaled over all of the threads they post on than some of the regulars talking smack to each other can manage in a single thread. Sigh.
Forgot about srv and mclaren. They’re longtime regulars though – mclaren’s comments I mostly tune out because, well, mcclaren. And I continue to believe that srv is attempting to be a parody right-wing troll and most of the time fails to execute the joke properly. Too much snark sneaks through too often for me to believe that srv is actually completely serious.
I also remember pre-Roe days. High school girls from low to high families went away during their pregnancies and their babies were adopted. Some we knew about in high school, some we didn’t. Even recently heard about a couple of the children finding their birth parents from my high school. I didn’t hear about those who had abortions pre-Roe until early college years and it wasn’t pretty.
oth, Planned Parenthood clinics even in NE MN small towns were not a bit controversial that I can recall. Teens and early twenties women may have not told their parents they were getting birth control but the clinics were busy.
@satby: Yes and the end game for all the loose talk against illegal immigration is going to culminate in being against all immigration. Look at their think tanks like the Orwellian FAIR, that’s their ultimate goal.
I agree that Bush and his team were realists about the economy, unlike the rubes they courted.
And wasn’t it Bush who derided supply side stuff as “voo doo economics?”
The Krugman piece is a nice and to-the-point put down of this nonsense. But I don’t think the GOP and especially the Tea Party want tax cuts because it would be good for the economy. That’s just window dressing. Increasingly, they hate the idea of government (except the military) and just want to see it defunded. And of course it would mean more change in the plutocrats’ pockets.
And with reproductive rights, the GOP seems to believe that if you punish women, maybe men and women will behave. Their vision of morality requires that someone be beat with a stick, the fear of pregnancy or disease.
As AHH at #119 said, the fuss is about another spelling reform. One that took place only ten years ago and was/is indeed a mess. I just ignore it when I communicate in written German.
143.
John Revolta
There will be a new tone, free of your anger and cursing.
Hilarious.
I’d been thinking that this was all Paid for by Citizens for Bush, but now I gotta go with pure trolling for the love of it.
@Another Holocene Human:
I actually think the triple letters are a reasonable idea. If you’re making a compound from a word that ends in a double letter and another that starts with the same letter, it makes sense to have a triple letter. Similarly, getting rid of esszets is a reasonable simplification, since the rules about when to use one and when to use a double s was always confusing. The problem was with not getting everyone to go along, so that they have to accept both spellings from this point on. That’s exactly the opposite of what you’re trying to achieve with orthographic reform.
145.
Gin & Tonic
So this moron troll is not only a moron, but a liar (I’m sure everyone is shocked.) Here’s what it typed last night: “I’m done here. This is my last post until debate night when I will conduct a live blogging of the debate on these comment threads.”
146.
Paul in KY
@NorthLeft12: She managed to get elected Senator. That’s more than the Great Grifter of the North has managed.
It’s that kind of angry tone that’s going to be on the way out in Washington come January, 2017. There will be a new tone, free of your anger and cursing.
Good!!! So no more name calling such as Arab, Muslim, tyrant, terrorist, Kenyan to describe Barack Obama. I believe it mean I see it from the party that seems to have invented hypocrisy.
taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to fund something they view as baby murder.
SO WHY THE HELL DID I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR WAR OF CHOICE IN IRAQ??? How many fricking babies were killed as a result of that war? Hypocrisy at its finest.
Increasingly, they hate the idea of government (except the military) and just want to see it defunded.
That’s totally unfair. They only hate the idea of government that actually has to serve everyone regardless of race, color, creed, gender, etc. If they could go back to the good old days of separate and allegedly equal, they’d be more than happy to expand government of the right kind of people, by the right kind of people, and, most importantly, for the right kind of people.
@Amir Khalid: next time I’m in Indonesia you’ll see the back of my hand.
156.
japa21
I love it when people start talking about money being fungible and if we give any money to PP then of course some is going for abortion (which I wouldn’t object to anyway).
Let’s just keep this conversation in regards to abortion, although it applies to many other areas as well.
Anybody that pays for health insurance is, under this arguement, probably paying for abortions. Any Medicaid or Medicare payments to hospitals where abortions are performed, and there are many, is paying for abortions. Any payment to those other health clinics is also eventually helping to fund abortion because they provide health care to women, some of whom will then have abortions.
Any money going to abstinence only education is helping to fund abortions, because the pregnancy rate of girls in that situation is sky high and, I am sure, a goodly percentage of those have abortions they may not have had with proper sex education because they wouldn’t have gotten pregnant in the first place.
@Major Major Major Major: Indeed. I’ve had someone here explain Sütterlin to me (I have old correspondence which I’ve needed interpreted, and it’s not easy anymore.)
Abortion is hardly a woman’s health care issue. Well maybe is the same degree warren is an indian
It really is. Lots and lots of women have complicated miscarriages that require medical intervention every year.
A Michigan woman who suffered a dangerous, painful and prolonged miscarriage when she was 18 weeks pregnant is at the center of a lawsuit that claims she was denied appropriate treatment by a Catholic hospital guided by religious, not medical, concerns.
The American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of Michigan are suing the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops on behalf of Tamesha Means, 30, of Muskegon, Mich., according to a lawsuit filed Friday in U.S. district court in eastern Michigan.
The suit comes amid growing numbers of mergers between Catholic hospitals and non-religious systems in the U.S. and it argues that the Bishops’ directives — particularly those that ban abortion — result in negligent treatment for certain patients.
When anti-abortion people say “life begins at conception” they mean exactly that. That has a profound effect on medical treatment for pregnant women, because the fact is they DO put the woman’s health second to the child.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been the mother when what was supposed to be an ordinary delivery “falls off a cliff” but I have. This idea people have that it all works out neatly and the mother’s health can be carefully partitioned from the health of the fetus or baby is fantasy. It’s messy and scary and people are freaking out and running around. I don’t want anyone in that room who comes in with a black/white theological view that means I come second, and I sure as hell don’t want lawyers deciding.
@Roger Moore: Swiss German, IIRC, has never used ß, because of a desire to be able to do all the Confoederatio languages on one keyboard…
One of my AFS students told me that you see it in texting even more than you should, because it makes keeping under 140/160 characters a smidgeon easier. I am dubious.
next time I’m in Indonesia you’ll see the back of my hand.
Unlikely, since he lives in Malaysia.
164.
Belafon
@Patrick: R2R should stop eating. Buying all that food causes the companies that produce and sell the food to pay taxes which go into the government coffers, some of which goes to P2P. If he’s so against it, he’d quit contributing.
@Amir Khalid: I’m sorry. That’s what I meant. No offense. Even when I was typing it I was like should I put a ? after Indonesia…?
166.
les
Remember Susan G. Komen Foundation? They tried to take Planned Parenthood off their funding list; they’re not much of a much, now. Hopefully this will be a much different outcome than ACORN.
167.
scav
Lord. They’ve re-invented the rerun season for trolling. BOLDING and money.
168.
NorthLeft12
@Paul in KY: Considering some of the Einsteins that are currently inhabiting the Senate I am not sure that is a positive or a negative.
169.
japa21
@Belafon: Many of them also donate directly to PP. I am assuming he is willing to not use any products from any of the 1,000’s of companies that contribute.
170.
Paul in KY
@scav: Sounds like a freaking Onion story!! Feel sorry for the black citizens of that benighted town.
The problem right there. “a guy” hasn’t, by definition. How much anti-choice “defund PP” shrieking are we hearing from conservatist women (besides Susan Collins, who’s losing her “moderate Republican” creds with each passing minute)? How much more are we hearing from conservatist men? There you go.
172.
scav
@Roger Moore: Amir could just have really good eyesight. All he’s got to do is glimpse it.
And wasn’t it Bush who derided supply side stuff as “voo doo economics?”
Yep, which along with his foreign-policy experience as ex-CIA director, caused me to vote for him during the primary season, while I was still a registered Republican. That was in fact the last vote of any kind I cast for a Republican.
And then Reagan picked Bush as his VP and suddenly it wasn’t voodoo anymore. He became, or pretended to become (not sure which one would disgust me more) a true believer.
It took me a year or so of Reagan to finally decide that, since I was likely never going to cast a vote for a Republican for the rest of my life, I might as well switch parties. It had been briefly amusing for my wife and I to appear on paper to be a “mixed” marriage, and it was also mildly entertaining for us to be able to have input into both primary processes. But any sense of fun stopped pretty quick under Reagan.
In fact, the main feeling I remember from 1981 was stunned disbelief that we put somebody like that in the White House, so few years after Nixon’s resignation and the euphoric feeling that the hippies had won for good.
I also remember pre-Roe days. High school girls from low to high families went away during their pregnancies and their babies were adopted.
When my family moved to California from Texas, I saw a couple of these places, associated with the Catholic Church, in the Hollywood area. Strange days.
And there is this. A friend’s mother worked for a New York gynecologist. He was a good doctor just setting up his practice. After a time, members of the New York and Connecticut upper class would send their wives, their mistresses, and their daughters to him, when the women contracted an STD or got pregnant. These good upstanding men didn’t want to use the family doctor. Many of these wives and young mistresses and daughters remembered being treated with kindness and dignity and kept going to this doctor when they got older. Changes in society helped smash the shield of hypocrisy keeping “problem” pregnancies in the shadows.
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japa21
Oh, and how can he possibly be for Jeb!, a man who served on the Board of Bloomberg Foundation, a foundation which had, as one of its goals, to expand women’s health and funded abortion clinics around the world.
When anti-abortion people say “life begins at conception” they mean exactly that.
They just usually leave out the part about it ending at birth.
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Chyron HR
If I post about the Great Clearing purging the Republican party of insufficiently revolutionary elements, will JEB! write me a big check, too? I’ll do it, I have no shame.
I love it when people start talking about money being fungible and if we give any money to PP then of course some is going for abortion (which I wouldn’t object to anyway).
I tried pointing out to some wingers that they lost this battle along time ago with the Griswold decision on birth control and Roe on abortion. Once birth control and abortion were protected as legal, anyone who engages in commerce is either directly or indirectly funding both. They can try to put up whatever walls they want, but the reality is they’ll never be satisfied until both are again illegal.
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Paul in KY
@NorthLeft12: I know, but I do think she’s a bit smarter than Snowball Snooki.
Worse than that, religious orgs that are publicly-funded have managed to convince people public money is fungible EXCEPT when it’s going to religious orgs, in which case it’s strictly confined to secular purpose, locked in a drawer marked “not religious”.
The whole argument is ridiculous. If public money is fungible in the case of abortion then public money is also fungible when it’s used to support religious hospitals and schools and orgs. They can’t have it both ways.
@Right to Rise:
Jeb! should worry, though, because he’s been falling further and further behind in the polls compared to that buffoon Trump. Jeb has been a curiously lacklustre candidate so far. If he doesn’t up his game to beat Trump in the primaries, and right now he can’t take that for granted, there will be no contest between him and Hillary.
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trollhattan
@TriassicSands:
Guessing “politician” means different things to different people. I’m not sure Warren has the political chops yet, but she’s getting better at it to be sure. Nancy SMASH, to pick an example, is leagues ahead in her mastery of the intricacies of congress and how to lead the unleadable. The president comes to mind, also, too.
Warren is smart as a whip, focused intently on things that actually matter and gaining her voice. Who knows, she might be ready for the bigs, come the next major cycle. In the meantime we’re lucky she’s the senior senator from Massachusetts.
Am likewise keeping an eye on Franken, as I find him brilliant and a very astute study.
but taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to fund something they view as baby murder.
Then, by your OWN argument, nobody should then have to fund dumb wars, because they also contribute to baby murder.
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trollhattan
@Paul in KY:
My medicine cabinet is “special” if you get my drift.
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dmsilev
@Amir Khalid: Jeb’s handlers went whining to the NYT when Hillary took a pretty mild swipe at him, complaining that she wasn’t being sporting or some nonsense like that. If the campaign’s collective skin is the thin, they’re going to find the next several months very painful.
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Belafon
@Major Major Major Major: Every time he comments and we respond it increases the chance of Balloon Juice ending up in someone’s search results, which means more people here, which could mean more revenue. Then the taxes go to the government.
It would just be better if R2R sat at home with the power off.
I believe Charlie is back posting at Grantland, but I don’t think he’s back at Esquire yet. He was supposed to be back there as of yesterday, but for sure he’ll be covering Thursday’s debate.
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trollhattan
@Kropadope:
Gosh, where have I heard this notion of money buying elections before?
One might do well to check with Whitman, Meg and Fiorina, Carly on the topic of buying votes.
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Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: Gosh darn it!!! Screwed up my joke. I’ll just keep to the Western Hemisphere from now on :-)
Oh certainly. I want to see the “ex-” prefix attached to all their names.
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Paul in KY
@trollhattan: I do, I do! Saynomore, nudge, nudge…
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Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: Who knows, she might be ready for the bigs, come the next major cycle.
In 2020 she will be 71 years old.
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Kropadope
@trollhattan: In 2010, Carly Fiorina spent 21 million. Barbara Boxer spent 29 million. More money won, it doesn’t matter that the money Florin was spending was her own.
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trollhattan
@Paul in KY:
“Your wife’s a ‘goer’, eh? (nudge-nudge).”
“Yes, she ‘goes.'”
“Oooh, I bet she does!”
Using birth control pills solely for contraception was also in the shadows for teenagers. If the topic came up, teens and their parents would just say the pill was necessary to regulate horrible menstrual cycles.
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trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Handsome Joe’s what, 72? and has folks trying to draft him.
The Russian orthography was made simpler by unifying several adjectival and pronominal inflections, replacing the letters ѣ (Yat) with е, і (depending on the context of Moscovian pronunciation), ѵ with и, and ѳ with ф, and dropping the archaic mute yer, including the ъ (the “hard sign”) in final position following consonants (thus eliminating practically the last graphical remnant of the Old Slavonic open-syllable system). For instance, Рыбинскъ became Рыбинск (“Rybinsk”).
@Right to Rise: Racist says what now? Running on and on about $$$ because that’s all you have. No one was afraid of unlimited cash in 2008 or 2012 and we’re not afraid now. But keep running your mouth about Jebbie and $$$ as if that’s all it takes to win elections. Probably brainless idiots like you are swayed by which candidate spends the most but sensible people look for substance in their presidential candidates.
And that’s why the next President will be Secretary Clinton.
Totaled Whitman’s (reported) money spent versus votes cast and it was more than sixty dollars per vote. Jerry probably spent a nickle and got change back.
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Patricia Kayden
@Doug R: There are folks here who love him apparently. Not sure why though. But I guess it’s good to have someone to point and laugh at between now and November 2016. I hope he sticks around after Secretary Clinton wins though so we can go over what went wrong with the “unlimited cash” election strategy for Jebbie. LOL.
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PurpleGirl
In line with the statistics pertaining to the numbers of women who use PP: Once when I was between jobs and didn’t have the money for a private doctor, I used a PP clinic in Manhattan. A call to acknowledge using PP should go out to all women. I may have other options now but back some time ago, PP was there and I used them. Hell, my mother used PP for BC in her first marriage.
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goblue72
@kindness: Liz Warren is a Masshole wrapped inside of a Goo-Goo. Or possible, a Goo-Goo wrapped inside of a Masshole. Either way, there’s a reason she’s the most popular pol in Massachusetts.
Am likewise keeping an eye on Franken, as I find him brilliant and a very astute study.
Franken is great. His transition from comedian to serious legislator has been remarkable, but not surprising — as you say, he is smart as hell. It’s ironic — Franken, the former professional comedian is impressively serious as a senator, while the so-called “serious” Republicans (Paul Ryan, for example) are all terribly unfunny clowns.
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goblue72
@Right to Rise: I and many Americans view the entire Department of Defense as a war-mongering murder department wrapped inside of a money pit. I’d think its immoral that my tax dollars go to fund it.
Can’t we all just agree that since the DoD is a murder department that we should defund it?
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xenos
@Kay: the “life begins at conception” really posses me off, because fertilisation takes place days before implantation, which is the beginning of pregnancy. Thus the rights of the unborn are extended to the time before a woman is pregnant.
Thus, women are always potentially risking the survival of unborn children, and are made permanently second-class citizens.
State after state after state has restricted abortion yet anti-abortion people are just as vehement as the day this started. It’s not about “reasonable compromise”. To still believe that is to ignore everything that has happened since Roe.
“Life begins at conception” is a position that starts at “no possible compromise”.
It would just be better if R2R sat at home with the power off mains wired across his temples.
I find my suggestion more satisfactory, and more permanent.
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Gravenstone
@trollhattan: But women age so much faster than men. That’s why they outlive them, or something something argle bargle.
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Kropadope
@trollhattan: Yeah, I was having trouble finding numbers for the governor race that year. But you’re right, Whitman did spend a lot. Still, in most elections the winner is the one who spends the most.
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trollhattan
In case y’all have yet to see it, Wonkette celebrates the president’s 54th in that special Wonkette way. To start the ball rolling…
On this day 54 years ago, the long foretold Barack Hussein Obama was born in a remote field in Indokenyamuslimstan, the love child of the Prophet Muhammad and Beyoncé, who is a lot older than she looks. Everybody was so excited! Three wise men came from afar, not bearing gifts, but simply a scroll containing the Illuminati’s plan for how the baby boy would one day infiltrate US America and turn it gay, for Marxism. And then he grew up and the prophecies were fulfilled! Well, most of them anyway. He still has to do the part where he takes away all the guns and declares himself president of America forever, times infinity….
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Matt McIrvin
@xenos: They don’t even mean the moment of fertilization. They really mean the moment the people have sex, which can be many hours before that. That’s why so many insist that Plan B or ordinary birth-control pills are the same thing as abortion.
Jeb has been a curiously lacklustre candidate so far. If he doesn’t up his game to beat Trump in the primaries, and right now he can’t take that for granted, there will be no contest between him and Hillary.
So true. I saw him giving some statement about something (God, he’s forgettable), and thought that, even without the ENORMOUS handicap of the Bush name around his neck, he’s in the same general place as Pataki or Kasich. Former governors, blah, blah, blah. I’d bet 90% of the general population could watch a speech by him & say “meh”.
He’ll never be president. Not enough $$ in the world.
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Mike J
Nick Martucci @BlunderingIdiom 13h13 hours ago
Birth control?
BAN IT!
Abortion?
BAN IT!
Gay marriage?
BAN IT!
Guns?
Look, banning things never works. People will find ways to get them.
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katie5
Made the mistake of watching Morning Joe today. Scar went off on Warren, effectively calling her a monster and stupid. Rest of the panelists looked on horrified yet mute.
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shell
Just saw a list of Newsmax headlines on another site. (Thank god Wonkette replaced them here.)
10 of them. Only two had anything to do with the news. The other 8 were all infomercial trash.
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gvg
In spite of the now conventional view that the “establishment” Bush will be the nominee, I would like us all to remember when the possibility was first being floated. Most of us laughed because Bush II was so unpopular. I still think that is a big factor. He is the Brother of a disaster and he cannot win either.
I think the trump surprise is distracting people but Jeb should never have tried. It would probably be more obvious in a less horrible pool of candidates. And why are we only seeing GOP clowns? Yes the whole party seems nuts right now but I think also, any better prospects think they would lose the general and are avoiding a loser stink. As foolish as we are, do you really think we would vote Bush again?
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JPL
If this isn’t proof that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh aren’t cancers on our society I don’t know what is. nbcnews.com A woman took her son to an IHOP for an early birthday celebration and an older bigoted white lady berated her for speaking Spanish.
I’m so sick. My grandmother felt more comfortable speaking to my father in French. We have lost any sense of common decency.
Franken is great. His transition from comedian to serious legislator has been remarkable, but not surprising — as you say, he is smart as hell. It’s ironic — Franken, the former professional comedian is impressively serious as a senator
I remember reading Franken’s “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot.” It was well written, well researched and supported all its accusations.
Funny, too.
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Mike in NC
@cckids: JEB! appears to combine all of the worst traits of his father and brother. A poor public speaker, gets riled easily, surrounded by sycophants, etc. His record as governor alone should cause his campaign to collapse.
There will be a tearful phone call to mom in Kennebunkport on Friday morning. Meanwhile, Trump will be up another 8-10 points.
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dmbeaster
@Right to Rise: BS. Zero taxpayer dollars fund abortion at PP. No body parts are sold. If we are going to agree to disagree about abortion, then first af all, dont peddle in lies.
Otherwise all anti-abortionists want to bomb clincs and and murder the doctors and the patients at the clinic. See how much fun it is to disagree when facts go out the window?
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trollhattan
@shell:
If they can up that to ten of ten ads, then Newsmax will have finally acheived usefulness.
“This revolutionary anti-aging trick will shock you young.”
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Gin & Tonic
@JPL: Best part of that story? The bigot berated the woman for speaking Spanish in the American city of … drumroll, please … Los Angeles.
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JPL
@Gin & Tonic: On the NBC news stations in Los Angeles, most comments were okay. One made me laugh though, because a person posted that the lady needed to walk down a street in San Francisco.
@Matt McIrvin:
I don’t think they really mean any of those things. They really mean that abortion and contraception are bad BECAUSE, and the rest of it is just rationalization.
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BillinGlendaleCA
@Gin & Tonic: Or as it was know at it founding, “El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula”.
That woman is a complete idiot and nasty. Someone should suggest to her that she learn Spanish so she will know what people are saying about her when she is out and about around people speaking Spanish all the time.
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trollhattan
@Roger Moore:
Wonder what the dead-enders’ plan is now that Calif and Ore pharmacies are going to be allowed to dispense contraceptives w/o a doctor’s prescription? That’s a lot of picketing.
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Mike J
@BillinGlendaleCA: This is America. She should be speaking Navajo.
A woman took her son to an IHOP for an early birthday celebration and an older bigoted white lady berated her for speaking Spanish.
So I wonder if this bigoted idiot then wants American tourists in foreign countries to also speak the local tongue. So in French she expects Americans to speak French.
Or is she one of those people who expects the rest of the world to speak English at all times even if they are in France or Germany or whatever foreign country?
JEB! appears to combine all of the worst traits of his father and brother. A poor public speaker, gets riled easily, surrounded by sycophants, etc. His record as governor alone should cause his campaign to collapse.
This. ALL of this. The irony is that if his last name weren’t Bush, no-one would even think of him as presidential material. And, yet, BUSH. He could be an Obama-like public speaker & human being, and not be able to overcome that anchor.
PS, Anyone who has the human decency of Pres. B. Obama would not ever be a Republican.
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scav
Un-merkan over-edjumatated Eeeeliiittissts ‘r’ bilingual, rict uhp dere wid dem durty furriners. kant hav dat sorta folks contamerating red-bluded restrants.
What was that white woman doing patronizing an International House of Pancakes anyway?
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MattF
@trollhattan: I’m impressed. Wonkette must have hired Photoshop specialists.
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scav
@Patrick: What the hell was white purity lady doing eating at an International House of Pancakes anyway? Foreign pancakes, coming here, stealing all our red-blooded national flapjacks’ plates . . .
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JPL
@scav: Gosh, I think they even serve French Fries at IHOP.
@Gin & Tonic:
It’s also mildly amusing that it was in the International House of Pancakes. That said, it must be really hard to survive in Los Angeles if it bothers you to hear people speaking in a language other than English; certainly if you aren’t rich enough to live in a lily-white enclave.
A woman took her son to an IHOP for an early birthday celebration and an older bigoted white lady berated her for speaking Spanish.
What is particularly heinous to me is this bigot thinking that she has the right to freely express her hatred, and the Spanish speaker is just supposed to passively take it. It is also despicable that this piece of crap would in any way make the child feel bad, ruin his day because she has a need to act the fool.
But white racists think that this is their country, their world, and that they have to get aggressive and take it back. They can stand their ground. All others must yield.
This is the ugly racist garden that the GOP and the Tea Party has been tending ever since Obama won the nomination. At yet they insist on denying the strange fruit that is the result of their earnest efforts.
Bastards.
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BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike J: I saw this on the local news last night, the IHOP was located in Koreatown.
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JPL
@Brachiator: Since the lady mentioned Nazi’s, I’d love for a media type to ask her what she thinks about Charles Lindbergh. In fact, all of the presidential candidates could be asked since they mention Hitler so often.
I googled and huff picked it up but only on their latino page.
Wonder what the dead-enders’ plan is now that Calif and Ore pharmacies are going to be allowed to dispense contraceptives w/o a doctor’s prescription?
Hopefully, it involves getting the hell out of CA and OR and leaving us alone. On the other hand that would mean wishing them on somebody else, and I shouldn’t do that. Maybe they’ll just FOADIAF.
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Matt McIrvin
@japa21: Under the “money is fungible” argument anyone paying a salary to a woman who might get an abortion is paying for abortions, so the only remedy would be to pay in company-store scrip not redeemable for an abortion, or to simply forbid abortion as a condition of employment.
We’re going in a direction that renders employees utterly subject in their personal lives to the religious preferences of their employers. That’s why I’ve always thought of this as primarily a labor-management issue: to what extent can employers control workers’ lives? The Republican concept of freedom is that it means money is equivalent to power, to an arbitrary degree, and the person who pays you can make you live according to their rules.
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Mike in NC
@Patrick: Millions of Americans would be horrified to find themselves in a foreign country, where people didn’t speak English, used a different currency, ate unfamiliar foods, and so forth.
These are the folks who’d rather just go to Epcot and play make-believe. I’ve known my share of them.
IIRC, the (UK) Telegraph is a rather conservative rag, but it looks like they did OK with that obit. Here’s the man’s Wikipedia entry though.
A very big name, and I wish I could claim to know more about him and his writing. I don’t know if his passing is front page-worthy, but figured it should be noted at least somewhere in these parts.
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jl
@Gin & Tonic: Highland Park, in Los Angeles County. Not sure whether it is a neighborhood of LA or a separate city. But that bigot waitress must yell at the customers all day long, since Hispanics and Asians are well over 50 percent of population in that area.
I keep forgetting that IHOP still exists. Ever since they changed their menu and I can’t get Sonoran pancakes with black beans and salsa, or German French toast stuffed with sauerkraut and pigs knuckles, I’m just not interested. I am amazed that this location is still in business if they are so rude to customers.
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Matt McIrvin
@trollhattan: Presumably, to take over the pharmacies and use pharmacists’ “religious freedom” to prevent contraceptive sales at the counter. They’ve been trying that for a while now.
I thought the son’s response to that was pretty good- that she’s the one ordering people around and telling them what to do. It’s a damn solid response, and better than I’d probably come up with in the heat of the moment.
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Ruckus
@cckids:
The only reason he has any traction is because of his name. It’s all he has. That his name gives him any shot is a huge problem, especially as the name is a very negative value.
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RaflW
@Kropadope: More money, and Fiorina was a very flawed candidate. Lets not fall into the UNLIMITED idea that money automatically gets a candidate in. Plenty of $$$ folks have lost because they suck at spending it wisely, suck at campaigning, suck at picking staffs and strategies. Just $$$ is not the the golden ticket it is claimed to be.
And… looks like Trump is. I won’t put in links from TPM since there are too many today and will put this comment in moderation.
But Trump’s favorable rating among GOP voters is rising and unfavorable dropping like a rock, so maybe his ceiling of support in GOP is higher than thought.
And a 24 person focus group representing all voters in NY as 2 to 1 against Trump. Higher info people in the focus group noted that Trump was a ‘live sitcom’ and changed his views like underwear.
I’d like to see a new poll on whether feeling on Trump has changed in general population. Last I saw 60 to 65 percent said that they would not even consider voting for him. I doubt that has changed much, but will be watching for news on that.
It’s also mildly amusing that it was in the International House of Pancakes. That said, it must be really hard to survive in Los Angeles if it bothers you to hear people speaking in a language other than English; certainly if you aren’t rich enough to live in a lily-white enclave.
Of course the running joke is that Spanish is regularly spoken in the richest parts of Los Angeles, by nannies, cooks, gardeners, etc.
BTW, some of the richest parts of Los Angeles are not lily-white. They are probably Chinese.
The woman then equates speaking English to American freedom, telling the Vazquez family, “Do you want the Russians over here telling you what to do? Do you want the Nazis telling you what to do?” Carlos Vasquez responds: “That’s what you’re doing to my mom. You’re telling her what to do.
Just a fantastic response. But I highly doubt that the bigot understood the irony whatsoever.
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PurpleGirl
My mother spoke English, also Italian and Spanish. Yet she complained to me about hearing people speak Greek (and probably other languages) when out shopping. My father’s family came from Austria but once here they spoke English and very little German. Interesting how things work out.
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RaflW
@Matt McIrvin: Babymaking begins at the moment of marriage. Or maybe dancing, which is why baptists oppose dancing since unmarried people are attracted to such sin. Holding hands seems OK, so I guess that’s safe sex if you’re a fundamentalist.
Highland Park, in Los Angeles County. Not sure whether it is a neighborhood of LA or a separate city.
Highland Park is a neighborhood of LA. It’s in the Northeast part of the city, bordering the neighborhoods of Eagle Rock and Mt. Washington and the cities of Pasadena and South Pasadena. It’s an area that’s undergone rapid gentrification recently; Marketplace did a whole series on it.
Tax dollars do not fund abortion services. It’s called the Hyde Amendment.
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RaflW
@trollhattan: I do enjoy what NewsMax implies: that conservatives are such suckers that only 20% of what they shovel out even has to pass the (very low there) smell test of ‘newsiness.’ The rest is up-front, obvious as nose-pimples hucksterism.
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JPL
@PurpleGirl: Did she have other family members here? When with family, my grandmother felt comfortable speaking French. The woman who was attacked was speaking to her son.
@RaflW: Uh, no holding hands either. Holding hands just leads to other behavior and a moral downfall for the two people. No physical touching until after marriage. Ever wonder why so many marriages break up in the south… people can’t be together to any degree unless married. They marry and find out how much they detest each other and they then divorce. In places like MA and NY, etc., people free free to experiment and tend not to marry until they are sure of the other person and the relationship.
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jl
@Roger Moore: Thanks. That area is such a patchwork of things it is hard for me to remember. I lived in Eagle Rock for a summer and know that is a neighborhood of LA, but not sure about other communities.
Trump now has a more than 2-to-1 advantage over his closest rivals, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. Trump had the support of 26 percent Republicans and Republican-leaning voters, according to the poll.
Bush polled at 12 percent and Walker at 11 percent. No other candidates polled in double digits. Five candidates polled at 1 percent or less.
This is clearly good news to Troll2Rise. Because jeb. sinking rapidly in the polls, statistically tied with Walker is so perfect. Everyone is falling into place in jeb.s super-special UNLIMITED plan that will hatch, like an alien creature from jeb.s glorious gut, and take over the GOP … and the WORLD!
And even then, only to have children and in the dark.
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Quaker in a Basement
Sen. Elizabeth Pocket-Full-of-Rocks?
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BillinGlendaleCA
@RaflW: Of course in RtR world, when Trump implodes all his support will go to jeb!.
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PurpleGirl
@JPL: My mother had other family here but they all spoke English as their first language. Her brothers and sisters rarely spoke Italian. She often spoke Italian with neighbors on our block. She learned Spanish from her first husband and lived with his family in Mexico for about a year after he died. Again, she later spoke it with neighbors. But she really didn’t like hearing other people speak their native languages. (Amusing anecdote, my grandmother was pregnant with my mother when she came to the US to join her husband (my grandfather). My mother was born a month or so after grandma arrived here.)
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Patricia Kayden
@gvg: For some reason, my gut (very Peggy Noonanesque) is telling me that Jebbie won’t be the Republican candidate. I think it’s going to be Walker. I agree with you that Bush The Decider has damaged the Bush legacy beyond repair. Republicans wouldn’t even allow him to attend the RNC convention in 2008 or 2012.
Walker could appeal to Republicans who can’t abide any more embarrassing Bush presidents.
BTW, some of the richest parts of Los Angeles are not lily-white. They are probably Chinese.
You don’t have to tell me. I live in eastern Pasadena and go on walks into Arcadia regularly. It’s scary how much Chinese money is going into real estate in Arcadia. In the neighborhood I go through most often, they’re tearing out nice post-war houses and putting in monstrosities designed to sell to Chinese businessmen. This isn’t your typical business of tearing down modest (1500-2000 sq ft) houses on tiny California-size lots and putting in McMansions; they’re taking out upper middle-class houses (2500-4000 sq ft on lots 1/2 acre and up) and putting in 8000+ sq ft monsters. I still don’t think it’s as crazy as Beverly Hills- there aren’t the kind of really huge properties- but it’s still amazing.
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slag
Yay, Elizabeth Warren! Yay, Planned Parenthood! Yay, safe and legal abortion!
The federal government needs to get over it and stop preventing federal funds from being used for safe, legal abortion. It’s a ridiculous rule. And Warren should acknowledge that fact. It is 2015, after all.
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PurpleGirl
@jl: The best description I’ve read of L.A. is “26 suburbs in search of a city” (quoted from The Late, Great State of California).
The woman then equates speaking English to American freedom, telling the Vazquez family, “Do you want the Russians over here telling you what to do? Do you want the Nazis telling you what to do?”
Since when did these fantasy Russians and Nazis start speaking Spanish. What a fool.
The other thing that is infuriating is that these racist idiots forget when their ancestors were immigrants, and when they spoke languages other than English. This is double BS when coming from people like the Koch brothers. Their grandfather, Harry, owed much to Dutch communities in America and even to Dutch companies investing the the US railroad industry.
Harry Koch was a Dutch immigrant who arrived in the United States in 1888…
Immigrants, upon arrival in the United States, usually went to four established Dutch immigrant communities consisting of the New Jersey community near New York City, the Grand Rapids community in Western Michigan, the Iowa community near Pella, Iowa or the Chicago community. It appears that Harry went to Grand Rapids….
Upon arrival in the United States, he took advantage of his trade and went to work in a printing shop which produced a Dutch language newspaper….
After some time in Grand Rapids he apparently became tired of the Grand Rapids area and decided he wanted to explore the big city. The nearest one with a Dutch immigrant community was Chicago. He went there and found a job as printer/writer in another Dutch language newspaper.
The myth of English Only White Assimilationist America is a Big Lie.
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jl
@RaflW: Too bad, with all of his wonderful qualities, Jeb! comes off like a snotty ignorant phlegmatic dolt, barely competent to understand and respond in English during what should be ordinary conversation. Why can’t all that unlimited corporate cash solve that problem? It is a mystery.
I read some pundit the other day who compared this years crop of GOP favorably to 2008 and 2012.
How can that be? Where is there even a McCain or a Romney in this bunch? Romney would be an improvement, maybe even in terms of being electable in the general. Carson is very smart and accomplished in his profession, but he has gone nuts. And the only one who has demonstrated competence at anything is Trump, and his field of expertise is marketing himself and some varieties of BS entertainment and recreation projects..
Tax dollars do not fund abortion services. It’s called the Hyde Amendment.
It’s also a bullshit amendment that should go away. If the organization is worth funding, just fund it and stop micromanaging the organization.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the red tape associated with the Hyde Amendment sucked up a good portion of the funding the organization receives from the feds. Just another backward way we do business here in the USA.
More money, and Fiorina was a very flawed candidate. Lets not fall into the UNLIMITED idea that money automatically gets a candidate in.
I didn’t say it was automatic. I finally found figures for Whitman in the same election cycle and she actually massively outspent Brown until the last few weeks. But we all know money helps win elections, the winner usually spends the most, and we have lost some good candidates to being buried in money by big donors
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JPL
@PurpleGirl: I saw the first Godfather movie in a town that was mainly Italian. The italian lines were not subtitled in the film but the audience enjoyed it.
If people were really concerned about heritage, they would not accost someone for speaking a different language then there’s.
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jl
@Kropadope: Problem with some GOP candidates is the good publicity they get from unlimited corporate cash paid media cannot keep up with the damage done by free media of the ‘so bad it is good’ entertainment train wrecks they create whenever they slip up and act like themselves.
I have high hopes that all the GOPers who have a chance for 2016 will follow the trail blazed by the likes of Whitman.
No doubt they are proud. Birds of a feather is probably a safe bet.
I don’t know if that woman has been anywhere else in Europe aside from Spain but she should have noticed that many furriners speak English. I wonder if she thought they were traitors to their own country and language while probably glad she could understand them.
Oh, that really made me laugh. I wonder if she lectures Korean-Americans too or is it only Spanish speaking people she is pissed off at.
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Ruckus
@BillinGlendaleCA:
A fellow I worked with once described someone we knew as the type that would have sex with the lights out, both wearing pajamas and 2 condoms. This of course is to avoid any possible skin contact with another human, as that would be dirty.
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Ruckus
@Brachiator:
This is what redshirt was talking about the other day. Forgetting that most of us in the US have our roots from other countries. Of course if you go far enough back we all started in one (OK possibly 2 or 3 places) place and moved around. But that is too much for some to deal with, and leads to thinking things like Jesus was a white guy who spoke english.
Since when did these fantasy Russians and Nazis start speaking Spanish.
Well, when the Russians were really involved with Cuba, a lot of Russians were there for various reasons and they learned and spoke Spanish. It was a more academic Spanish, though. At the non-profit I used to work for, one of our field coordinators who worked in the Bronx and was our proofreader for Spanish versions of training materials, was born in Russia but lived in Cuba for a number of years and then came here.
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Ruckus
@bemused:
Having traveled a bit myself I’ve observed in others that if you qualify as an ugly american when you travel, few people will remember how to speak english. If you make even the slightest attempt to be a human being it is amazing how many languages people can learn. Most americans can go their entire lives without having to learn another language, and it shows.
Lol at warren. Spends all that air accusing the GOP of attacking women’s rights blind to the fact that the pro life contingent is concerned about bot the mother and. child. As any mother should be.
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Another Holocene Human
@oldster: Warren’s in a, what, 70% D in a POTUS election state? She can afford to say those things. That’s why leadership lets her do it.
Although to be fair there are some D’s in a similar position in other states but they suck too damn much.
Markey was long an ardent supporter of women’s reproductive rights but he takes a quieter approach? That’s probably good, to have the people who draw the media attention and the people who work behind the scenes. Warren is a lightning rod by definition so even though she isn’t a born speechifier, she might as well go for broke speechifying.
Now why we haven’t heard from the CA delegation is anyone’s guess.
Fortunately I’m a level 5 Gay so I can cast Summon Unemployed Twink…
lol
so today we were taking a walk out of town and we saw this cute looking sex shop surrounded by gay businesses and went in … and everything inside was heterosexual. It was so weird. :)
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Another Holocene Human
@Roger Moore: I feel like the old spelling hewed closer to spelling how things were pronounced.
Aside from Germanizing some foreign loan words, the last spelling reform went away from that. Just because Betttuch has three t’s doesn’t mean it’s now a rare triple consonant, just like “muß” and “mussen” aren’t pronounced quite the same. I’m not a linguist but I do know the difference between an end consonant and a double consonant.
I completely agree. The right to a safe abortion is not enough if you cannot afford it. I would support full funding of abortion services. I trust women to make their own medical decisions and health insurance and/or Medicaid should pay the bill.
If the topic came up, teens and their parents would just say the pill was necessary to regulate horrible menstrual cycles.
To be fair, horrible menstrual cycles, including massive bleeding and other nasties, are more common than you think. That’s what Sandra Fluke was actually talking about.
These motherfuckers would rather see young women become infertile than give an inch on “slut pills”.
I know people who had abrading of their uteruses or hysterectomy performed for the same conditions.
ETA: Catholic Church vehemently opposed IVF as well. They claim it’s the dead fertilized eggs, boo hoo babies, but the REAL reason has to do with this notion that it is an offense against God to control your fertility and that includes infertility. They literally tell couples to be like Hannah (the mother of Samuel) who was barren and pray for a baby, and God will grant your wish if and when He wants.
Jeb seems to think there enough women’s health services available or at least women don’t need a half billion dollars more. So Jeb, why do you think so many women are not getting what they need?
Oh wait, he just said he misspoke….again. I’m losing track of how many times he has had to backtrack or “clarify” himself. One might start to think he is new to this political stuff.
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Warren probably still thinks lily Ledbetter case gave women equal pay for equal work
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A guy
There’s a difference between a medical complication and an abortion. But let’s ask the fetus. Sorry we can’t they’ve been sold by planned parenthood to a lab
I was talking about that wayback time when people didn’t want to talk about their young’uns having sex. The menstrual reason was used so they wouldn’t have to admit their daughters were on birth control to avoid pregnancy.
nbcnews.com A woman took her son to an IHOP for an early birthday celebration and an older bigoted white lady berated her for speaking Spanish.
I’m so sick. My grandmother felt more comfortable speaking to my father in French. We have lost any sense of common decency
This is horrible. Shit like this happened to me and my friends in Europe in the 1990s, but this high level derp has come to our shores. You’re right about common decency. That is disgusting. Keep your nasty opinions to yourself. My wife had one set of grandparents who spoke German, the other spoke Yiddish. My great-grands spoke Low German. My great aunt grew up speaking Polish until Hitler upended her world.
Oh and I personally have personally experienced those menstrual issues and remedies on the beginning end and then on the ending end of my delightful time of a woman’s life.
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maurinsky
RE: Abortion. Every abortion means a woman gets to go on to a productive life, take care of children she already has (most women who have abortions already have at least one child), not incur the high financial cost of giving birth,not to mention the high cost of having more children. It means she can finish school, get a job and support herself. It means she won’t have the health risks involved with pregnancy, which can and do kill women every year. If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-woman.
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Another Holocene Human
@Gin & Tonic: I … the fuck … I was just in California for vacation and marveling at the bilingualism. Florida is bilingual but some parts are more in denial than others. The Turnpike just went whole hog at the rest stops with Spanish (although a lot of the vendor employees were already bilingual). Orlando’s pretty good (Puerto Ricans, mainly) but you hit Ignorance Country north of there.
But just the other day I had some tourists asking for directions in Spanish. Thank god they knew a little English because I can’t cough up any useful Spanish on the spot.
The people who have stayed in their social cocoons all their lives, conservative christians, rural small town folks, who are predominately republican. They do feel that insecure but instead of doing something about that, they get all offended and defensive.
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Another Holocene Human
@bemused: Shit, my dead granny used to watch Spanish cable news to keep her Spanish skills up. She traveled to Argentina (lived there for a while), Spain, and Mexico in her lifetime. (She was an Irish Catholic, picked up a collection of religious paraphernalia while she was at it. And she gushed about Spain’s high speed rail.)
Of course she was a big fat bleeding liberal, so there’s that.
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A guy
Maurinsky- that was beautiful. I guess it’s all about the woman and her ability to succeed. A real mom doesn’t think that way. And well the unborn child of course has no say whatsoever
I already had a big hunch she was a liberal. It just didn’t seem to fit a conservative to want to keep up with Spanish because she traveled and raved about high speed rail. Your granny was ahead of her time, good for her.
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Another Holocene Human
@PurpleGirl: Is it resentment? I love being on the subway and hearing 3 different languages. But I’ve always had an interest in languages.
I’ve come to see multiple languages as the hallmark of a really great city.
If the pro-life contingent are pregnant womens’ friends, who needs enemies. Haven’t heard their concern about cutting food stamps and piddly issues like that.
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Another Holocene Human
@maurinsky: Before abortion and birth control there were the Victorian baby farms. Top that for horror.
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Best thing about West Virginia is that we have two languages. English and southern wv redneck English. Don’t want Spanish here at all.
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Bemused- good point. With the food stamps a mom can feed herself instead of her aborted kid.
@satby: It is kind of crazy that birth control is the end game though. You’d think that people who are against abortions would champion birth control as a way to prevent unwanted pregnancy. But I guess it’s about sex. If you have sex, you deserve to become pregnant and you cannot end the pregnancy under any circumstances. It’s about controlling women’s sexuality and limiting sex to good married folks.
exactly
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A guy
It has to do about life
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The Lodger
@JPL: Lured off the game preserve, shot with an arrow and beheaded?
@The Lodger: Not the Cecil treatment, the Walter treatment. She really needs to be shamed.
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boatboy_srq
@Another Holocene Human: Anyone who identifies as “a guy” doesn’t deserve to the presumption of the possibility of being female. Especially, as you noted, when he’s as clueless as he lets on.
[. . .] am I the only one who remembers the “you know who else” formulation . . .
No. But when scav came back at you with a joke playing off that—“Noah Webster!” instead of the expected usual—you went all deadpan and teachery, like you are the only one who remembers it. Comedy fail.
P.S. Am I the only one who remembers the “[something] fail” formulation?
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The Lodger
@Brachiator: Nazis? Well, there was always Adolf Eichmann… also, several thousand former SS men who got some of the 10,000 blank Argentine passports issued by Juan Peron.
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The Lodger
@Steeplejack: No, I lived through the Bush II era, too.
Well, I’m a real mom, so once again, you are wrong. You and other anti-abortion folks don’t want women to have full freedom, and the freedom to control reproduction is crucial for women, and crucial for their families. Crucial.
I had an abortion, and it saved my family, it saved me so I could be there for my family, and I’m grateful to live in a state that has laws that protect the legal right to an abortion.
The pro-life segment of the republican party cares nothing about the mother. They would prevent medical assistance to any woman experiencing a miscarriage – this isn’t a hypothetical at all!
Recently a woman experiencing a fetal death was doomed to death herself in Ireland, because the catholic managed hospitals wouldn’t allow doctors to remove the deceased fetus from her womb until she was poisoned by the decay occurring in her belly.
This is the morality – or complete lack of morality – imposed when so-called pro-life organizations have control over medical decisions, without regard for the woman’s health compared to the never-independently-alive fetus. These men have no regard for any woman’s health. They only care for their rigid philosophy, not for actual living people at all.
This is why they were able to deploy the Inquisition against converso Jews and anyone who wasn’t completely devoted to the catholic theology, to the complete rejection of compassion for others.
Horrible, but historically true. They would push a city’s population into the cathedral, fasten the doors closed, and set fire to it, to obliterate the whole population in one giant auto-de-fe celebration of death to the heretics!
Burning people at the stake was so retail compared to burning a whole population in a cathedral, don’t you know. Any republican would do it the wholesale method rather than retail, wouldn’t they? Of course they will !!
Monsters! The new Pope Frank is just as big a monster as Pope Benedict, he just has a smoother presentation, with the same old authoritarian tradition behind the smooth front. And most all the republicans are bound to the same religious monstrosity.
Just watch them if they get asked about Planned Parenthood!! They hate the very idea of planning reproduction, unless they get to do the planning.
That’s the fucking lie the republican fundamentalists want us to believe.
Fetal tissues are legally used for scientific research which may lead to cures for many diseases. This is legal because congress passed a law making it legal, and Mitch McConnell voted for it along with most other republicans.
The cost of processing those tissues so they will be suitable for use in research is met by the researchers. All this is well known if you care about the facts, as opposed to the lies anti-women politicians spread.
You obviously don’t care about the truth at all – so get the fuck out of here, and don’t come back.
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Kropadope
I never knew condescension could be a force for good.
raven
@Kropadope: You didn’t?
Mike in NC
Senator Warren’s comments were much more honest than those of the pig castrator.
MattF
If all she ever did was turn Scott Brown back into a political zero, it would have been enough. But she just goes on, being eloquent and being right.
Librarian
Huffpo has a big picture of Ernst on its front, and holy shit does she look like a fucking cretin. I hope the people of Iowa are proud of themselves. She’s a slightly smarter version of Sarah Palin.
Keith G
I would like to see Sen Warren give the prime time (featured) Key Note Address at the 2016 convention.
japa21
@Librarian: Talk about setting a low bar.
Emily68
Elizabeth Smash?
Another Holocene Human
@MattF: I’m glad people listen to her now. She was crying in the wilderness all through the Great Credit Bubble. I think there was this one documentary that nobody saw that interviewed her and Dave Ramsey about consumer credit. I think Boston media gave her some airing. But nobody wanted to listen to her “blah blah blah poor people blah blah blah doom and gloom”.
So glad she jumped into politics after the GOP blocked her off the consumer protection bureau. How d’ya like THEM apples, Mitch McConnell?
Another Holocene Human
It’s a great rant. Go Warren!
It is hard for me to listen to her, though, because she reminds me of my mother on a resentful tirade. (Mom grew up in Bartlesville.)
Chris
“I stand with Planned Parenthood.” Delightful. This is exactly what I’ve been thinking Democrats need to do since this whole bullshit started.
There are millions of American women who rely on Planned Parenthood for their health services. Many of them vote Democrat and might just have done it with the thought that Democrats would protect services like those that PP provides. Even more of them might get motivated and turn out to vote if they see the fight for PP as a Democrat/Republican fault line (rather than “Republicans hate it, Democrats roll over and let it die.”) If “it’s the right thing to do” isn’t reason enough to stand up for PP, the above should be.
Heck, didn’t someone a few threads ago link to a poll showing that Planned Parenthood was more popular than either political party? Stand by it, for fuck’s sake.
SatanicPanic
Elizabeth Warrin’
NorthLeft12
@Librarian:
Objection your honour! Assuming facts not in evidence!
Pharniel
Warren E gonna have to Regulate.
FourTen
Elizabeth (w)Rex
SiubhanDuinne
@Emily68:
Ewhizabeth!
ellie
@Pharniel: Nice!
SiubhanDuinne
Have been thinking that it’s no longer accurate to identify Sens. Cruz and Cornyn as (R-Tex). Should be (T-Rex). Because they are, in every way, dinosaurs.
japa21
@SiubhanDuinne: Betty (ball)Cracker
Tokyokie
@Another Holocene Human: Hey, I grew up in Bartlesville! And as such, my deepest sympathies to your mom.
Germy Shoemangler
Watching Charlie Rose right now. Ben Carson is being interviewed.
When asked “what financial advisors would president Carson turn to?”
He replied “I really like Art Laffer”
For national security?
“General Dees”
Major Major Major Major
Fuck yes! She’s too awesome.
Patricia Kayden
@Chris: So far, it appears Democrats are standing by Planned Parenthood. I throw a few $$$ their way each month and hope that they survive the latest political kerfluffle unlike ACORN.
Tinare
She is awesome!
Patricia Kayden
@Germy Shoemangler: I don’t know why Carson is running but it’s not to become the next President. There’s some other angle he’s aiming for. He looks bored most of the time, almost like he’s forcing himself to stay awake. I used to like him before I found out he was an extreme Rightwinger. Kind of sad how his politics have poisoned his legacy.
Steeplejack
That is an amazing talk. Amazing in that I watched it all the way through. I am a reader, and sometimes it’s hard for me to listen to someone because the information bandwidth is usually much lower. But, damn, Warren hit it out of the park. She was factual, she was direct, she laid out the whole things in terms stark enough to explain to your teatard Facebook friend. And she hung it all on the Republicans—as she should have. Awesome!
Woodrowfan
I wish someone would ask Carson his opinion of women doctors, esp surgeons.
Brachiator
Senator Warren nails it. A welcome counter to Republican led foolishness.
kindness
Elizabeth is so dependable. Gotta love the woman. Sure wish Charles Pierce would come back from vacation. Been missing his pearls.
Cervantes
@Chris:
Hmm …
Cervantes
@raven:
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Chris
@Patricia Kayden:
Yeah, the ACORN fate is what really needs to be avoided here, especially since it’s pretty clear that that’s exactly the precedent Republicans have in mind. They figure if they could use edited videos, outright lies and lots of loud screaming to bring down one organization that provides an invaluable service for millions of poorer Americans, they can do it with another. (And, presumably, then another, and another, and another…)
Hal
@Patricia Kayden: Carson has said in the past God wanted him to run for president. Maybe he hasn’t heard back regarding his request to withdraw.
Major Major Major Major
@Steeplejack: I haaaaate videos, but I agree with you on this one.
Warren usually doesn’t do it for me as a speaker. (The style, not the words.) She’s not a natural speaker. But this one was good.
Turgidson
@Steeplejack:
Yeah, but that teatard friend will just launch an ad hominem screed on Senator Warren and accuse her of lying without actually listening to what she said.
Kropadope
Speaking of Senator Warren, but otherwise off topic, I called her office today as well as emailing JPK3 to solicit their opinions on the Iran deal and to let them know I would like them to support it. Please call your representatives!!!
ETA: My phone literally died right then, so I have yet to call Ed Markey’s office. AT&T store won’t let me pick up a phone on my own either (no autonomy on family plan, still like it)
Turgidson
@Chris:
That’s definitely their plan here. The hope is that Planned Parenthood is well-known and respected enough to withstand this bullshit. The GOP was able to fearmonger over ACORN partly because hardly anyone knew what the hell it was. Planned Parenthood is more visible and has more powerful allies. Hopefully that’s enough to make this stunt boomerang on the nutjobs this time.
Major Major Major Major
OT: Just called Sen’s Bennet and Gardner’s offices about the Iran deal. Bennet’s staffer made sure to take down my zip code, so he’s obviously still calculating his opinion… if there are any other folks with ties to CO give him a ring!
ETA: Bennet’s office had a several minute hold, Gardner’s picked up right away. Fuck that guy, he isn’t even popular enough to get phone calls.
Joe Falco
Wonder Warren?
boatboy_srq
@Librarian: @japa21: A hunk of granite would be slightly smarter than Sarah Palin, so that’s not an especially high bar. But I see japa21 beat me to the punch.
trollhattan
@Germy Shoemangler:
What, Rick Dees not available? Has Laffer acquired a new supply of bar napkins?
SiubhanDuinne
@japa21:
LOL
boatboy_srq
@SiubhanDuinne: Can we get to the point where we identify Cruz et al as “former members of Congress/Senate”? It won’t matter so much then.
xenos
@Hal: maybe God really does want Carson to run. God does not seem to want Carson to win, but there you go. Mysterious ways and all that.
boatboy_srq
BTW – anyone have the transcript for those of us presumably working and unable to watch/listen?
Major Major Major Major
@boatboy_srq: There’s one at the link.
Right to Rise
Can’t we all agree, given that PP performs a procedure that many Americans in good faith view as murder that it’s unacceptable that their tax dollars go to fund a procedure they view as immoral? And don’t give me the ban on federal funds for abortion nonsense–money is fungible.
There are 100s of thousands of community health centers that do all the good things PP does without the dealing in baby body parts.
Let’s agree to disagree on abortion, but taxpayers shouldn’t be forced to fund something they view as baby murder.
SiubhanDuinne
@boatboy_srq:
Click the link at the top. The whole transcript is in the Wonkette piece.
(Edit: or what the quick-fingered MMMM said.)
Amir Khalid
@boatboy_srq:
Go to Wonkette. The story there has a full transcript.
SiubhanDuinne
@Right to Rise:
Like wars, you mean?
A guy
Abortion is hardly a woman’s health care issue. Well maybe is the same degree warren is an indian
bemused
We wouldn’t even be talking about this if men as well as women were incubators. Planned Parenthood would be as revered as the NRA.
Amir Khalid
@Right to Rise:
I admire your correct grammar and spelling; your deceptively reasonable tone, not so much.
Major Major Major Major
@Right to Rise: I’ve never pie’d somebody this quickly before! Well done.
MattF
@Right to Rise: So… you’re saying that any payment for any procedure that could, conceivably be used to support abortion (say for rent, or other overhead expenses) ought to be forbidden?
James E Powell
@Right to Rise:
Can’t we all agree, given that the US military performs a procedure that many Americans in good faith view as murder that it’s unacceptable that their tax dollars go to fund a procedure they view as immoral?
scav
The moral objection is such a low-hanging chestnut, how embarrassing.
trollhattan
@Right to Rise: No.
Roger Moore
@Chris:
ACORN didn’t have nearly the backing that Planned Parenthood does. PP isn’t completely invulnerable, but it has strong backing from the party, and it has pretty good resources to defend itself politically. It also helps that people have wised up and know to ask for the whole source video when one of these selectively edited pieces of crap floats to the top of the turd bowl.
Major Major Major Major
@Amir Khalid: Don’t admire somebody for knowing things they teach in grade school.
Right to Rise
Your daily dose of Jeb news, upside for Bush in Trump Surge (NYT).
We’ll look back on the Trump episode as the beginning of the Great Clearing of the Field for Jeb Bush.
Brachiator
@Right to Rise:
If facts don’t work for you, what’s the point?
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: Where’d you pull that quote from? This is what I see.
Steeplejack
@Turgidson:
I wouldn’t expect the teatard friends (hypothetical for me, thank God) to actually listen to Elizabeth Warren, but she boiled it down to a couple of points anyone could use to pound them with: this has little to do with abortion, since no federal funds go to Planned Parenthood abortions; a lot of people use Planned Parenthood services, even if they’re not broadcasting it at the Thanksgiving dinner table; and this is part of a concerted attack on contraception and women’s control over their own bodies.
P.S. I signed into YouTube just so I could “like” that video, and the voting was running about 270–30 in favor of it.
scav
@Major Major Major Major: teach? No no, government indoctrination: it’s the socialists holding the white man down by forcing spelling conventions down their O! ever so attractive throats — with big tech sneaking in and enforcing the PC manacles with their little red(!) squiggly underlines and the autocorrect jack-booted policing.
Another Holocene Human
@Tokyokie: She is pretty bummed about what happened to the place.
Cervantes
@Major Major Major Major:
You may find it more admirable if you consider how many did not learn.
seaboogie
Eliza-BOOM!
Major Major Major Major
@scav: You know who else tried to standardize spelling?
Another Holocene Human
@Germy Shoemangler: ART. LAFFER.
We’re being punked, right?
Another Holocene Human
@Patricia Kayden:
You noticed that too, huh?
Another Holocene Human
@Chris:
Red scare Volume III.
MattF
@Another Holocene Human: Krugman on Laffer.
NorthLeft12
@A guy: Here come the trolls……..I see your id brother Right to Rise has also made an appearance. Have a nice day fellas.
Germy Shoemangler
@Another Holocene Human: Watching the interview today was the first time I’d actually seen Ben Carson in an extended interview. He sounded superficially reasonable at first; he doesn’t come across as a wild-eyed maniac, like some of those on the right.
But he barely opened his eyes at all. He reminded me somewhat of Wimpy, the hamburger fancier from the Popeye the Sailor Man saga.
MattF
@NorthLeft12: It’s TrollTown.
Major Major Major Major
@NorthLeft12: So many pie lovers right now!
(The reason I’m doing this so rapidly during work hours is because I’m attending DEFCON virtually which it turns out is really boring.)
scav
@Major Major Major Major: Noah Webster, that cancerous worm of early American academic standards and elitism.
Turgidson
@Germy Shoemangler:
Art Laffer. He has a surprisingly apropos surname. At this point, saying you want to take your economic advice from Art Laffer is basically the same thing as saying you take learn your history from the Lyndon LaRouche weirdos who set up shop on street corners.
What it really means when he gets name-dropped by GOPers is “I want to hear from a guy who will assure me that cutting my own taxes is a wonderful, wonderful idea without burdening me with trifling inconveniences like facts and evidence.”
Major Major Major Major
@scav: Hitler, actually. It’s why German orthographic reform didn’t happen until quite a bit after WW2.
Brachiator
@Right to Rise:
Hahahahahahaa! You funny. The fun is just beginning. Let’s not rush things.
Belafon
@Right to Rise:
First, most Americans want to keep abortion legal. Second, there have been lots of things done in the name of “Americans in good faith” that have been wrong: slavery, invading countries to take their land, and the subjugation of women. Third, banning the legal practice of abortion doesn’t end abortion.
scav
@Major Major Major Major: See? It’s an international plot.
Germy Shoemangler
@Turgidson: In the interview, Carson said he favored a flat tax. He said “If you make ten billions dollars a year, you’ll pay one billion in taxes. If you make ten dollars in a year, you’ll pay one dollar.”
The interviewer nodded like it was the most reasonable thing he’d ever heard.
Tokyokie
@Chris: Well, there’s not all that many groups for them to go after, as opposed to right-wing PACs.
Another Holocene Human
@Kropadope: Thanks for the reminder. I hit my senators.
My phone died mid-call as well (hazukashii) and I had to borrow my wife’s Verizon phone.
I think a strike was just called on Verizon’s land-line division. Damn them for having better signal today!!
Emessbe
She’s just wonderful. So glad I supported her campaign.
Germy Shoemangler
@Another Holocene Human: We contacted Schumer. Not sure if he’ll pay attention to us.
He’s said he won’t be swayed by “pressure or party” (… probably just AIPAC)
Another Holocene Human
@Turgidson: My MIL said the most ridiculous thing on a family vacation, that ACORN was evil (because FOX News said so) but they were the place to go if you needed help with housing/a mortgage and she did, decades ago.
My wife was elbowing me furiously so I would keep my mouth shut.
Another Holocene Human
@Major Major Major Major:
Yup, Nelson went to VM as always, Rubio picked up right away. Guess who is doing constituent service and who isn’t.
trollhattan
@Brachiator: So, Trump is the Jupiter of the lineup, absorbing stray rock candidates that might otherwise sneak past his gas-giant self and enter earth’s orbit? ¡HEB! is magically immune to these gravitational powers and will pass by in order to crash into our planet November after next? Is this the theory being proffered?
All shall kneel to
ZodTrump.Patricia Kayden
@Right to Rise: Racist says what now?
trollhattan
@Another Holocene Human:
Must have been a long damn trip. How long for the ribs to heal?
Toschek
For some reason I saw Teanderthals in the headline. Carry on.
Another Holocene Human
@SiubhanDuinne: Or cops shooting Black people?
Or prisoners being executed?
Or frackers being allowed to pump secret toxic chemicals into the ground at high pressure?
Or MD residents and junior pilots putting peoples’ lives in their hands at hour 36 without sleep?
Or coal extraction companies refusing to keep their workplaces safe?
We’re just getting started.
japa21
Thank God that Zandar didn’t put up this post or we would have to deal with Knowbody as well.
I pretty much ignore R2R now. His comments have about 5% fact, 95% BS and 100% ignorance.
J.
I wish she would run in 2016. President Warren has such a lovely ring.
Another Holocene Human
@A guy: pregnancy is all magic lollipops and rainbow unicorns, everyone knows that
That’s why Kali is known as India’s Santa Claus. //
Major Major Major Major
@Another Holocene Human:
Literally LOL’d.
Brachiator
@Major Major Major Major:
I don’t filter trolls. Here on BJ, they are mostly inconsequential. Or sometimes DougJ in ideological drag. Unless they are totally crazy people, I am curious as about their views.
ThresherK (GPad)
@Major Major Major Major: The English tried to standardise spelling for aeons.
Tokyokie
@Right to Rise: No, we can’t agree with you whatsoever on anything, asshole. Putting a happy face on policies intended to turn women into second-class citizens doesn’t make you or Jeb! any less misogynistic. Americans of good faith don’t use any tactic necessary to achieve their policy aims, whether it be bombing abortion clinics, murdering abortion providers, or using dishonestly edited videos. If you want to agree — and I find you extraordinarily disagreeable — then let’s agree that you’re an underhanded, untrustworthy piece of shit who will do anything for a buck and that you represent the imposition of heriditary titles upon the body politique. Beyond that, kindly be fucking off now.
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
And it has apparently backfired spectacularly. My German coworkers tell me that there was so much resistance to the new spelling that they had to backtrack and allow people to continue using the old version, with the result that things are more complicated and less regular than they were before. Genius!
Another Holocene Human
@MattF: Krugman raises some interesting sociological/anthropological/psychological questions there. I agree that Bush and his team were realists about the economy, unlike the rubes they courted.
I guess what’s changed now is that the rubes are in charge.
(Btw, realists doesn’t mean they weren’t crooks, also, too.)
oldster
Warren squarely blames Republicans, by name. She calls them Republicans, and blames it on Republicans, and talks about the damage that Republicans do.
God it’s good to hear.
Would it be that hard for all of the other Democrats to get a clue, and act the same way?
I know why Obama doesn’t do it, and I appreciate the line he has to walk. But for the rest of the leadership, there is no excuse.
We’ve had forty years of Democrats shying away from direct partisan confrontation. The net result is wide-spread confusion about where the problem lies–low-info voters who think that both sides are to blame.
Well, what *can* they think, given that when Republicans drive up the deficit, no one says “Republicans drove up the deficit!”, and when Republicans destroy public schools, no one says “Republicans destroyed public schools!” and when Republicans break the government no one says “Republicans broke the government!” No one is placing the blame where it belongs, loudly and publicly.
That’s why it’s so good to hear Warren lay it out.
Major Major Major Major
@Brachiator: I’ve only got A Guy and R2R filtered right now. And I can always click the little arrow thing to see what they actually said. I often do. I’m not incurious.
@ThresherK (GPad): am I the only one who remembers the “you know who else” formulation…
Felonius Monk
@SatanicPanic: Warrin’ Warren
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: I’ve heard the exact opposite from Berliners who have to work with Bavarians. Evidently it’s still controversial :)
Another Holocene Human
@Major Major Major Major: The Nazi push for font change took, though. I don’t know a hell of a lot about it, just that I was creeped out when I found out. The 30s German font looks kind of Austrian influenced, and of course it looks to the West, it’s modern (sans serif!), and maybe was associated in peoples’ minds with streamlined buildings and fussy modern hairstyles.
Germy Shoemangler
@Major Major Major Major: How does one filter? Because I’ve got a list…
satby
Well, I put the video on FB with a “I stand with PP too” statement. May only annoy the rw nuts I know, but it needs to be said. And shared.
10 or more years ago I told the young yuppie financial traders that going after birth control was the end game of the anti choice crowd. Of course they treated that statement as tinfoil hat crazy. Not quite so ludicrous now, though
Another Holocene Human
@trollhattan: Heh, I was kind of stressed but thankfully we were not all crammed in a car together.
eta: MIL was spending most of her time that day taking care of her dad. He passed in May.
RaflW
@Chris:
Ably abetted by a highly compliant media. Lying has anywhere from zero cost to a high payoff, depending on the fickle mood of journalists.
gogol's wife
This is probably heresy, but I kind of welcome the return of the trolls. They’re livening things up around here. Constant agreement is boring. It’s fun to see the pitiful arguments of the other side.
Patricia Kayden
@satby: It is kind of crazy that birth control is the end game though. You’d think that people who are against abortions would champion birth control as a way to prevent unwanted pregnancy. But I guess it’s about sex. If you have sex, you deserve to become pregnant and you cannot end the pregnancy under any circumstances. It’s about controlling women’s sexuality and limiting sex to good married folks.
Major Major Major Major
@Germy Shoemangler: http://ok-cleek.com/blogs/?page_id=19041
Of course cleek will have to rewrite it after the new design…
Roger Moore
@Another Holocene Human:
Which should come as no surprise. Even if the people who start selling the bullshit know that’s what they’re doing, they won’t live forever. Eventually, the business will be taken over by true believers who got hooked and never figured out the true business plan. A large fraction of today’s Republican leaders are people who grew up during or since the Reagan administration, so they’ve been indoctrinated with his nonsense for their whole political lives.
Patricia Kayden
@gogol’s wife: Pitiful is the word. And repetitive. How many times do we have to read about Jebbie clearing the field?
Another Holocene Human
@Roger Moore: The original reform was fine. That mishegas a decade ago was a joke. Betttuch? Dumping all the esszets for sssss everywhere? Everything looked ugly and was annoying. Seriously, BeTTTuch. Make it stop.
Tom Levenson
My senator. I hearts her.
RaflW
Troll said yesterday he’d be off the blog till Thursday night. Troll lied (shocking, I know). But of course troll gets lots of feeding, so here we are, up to our armpits in stink again.
scav
OT Nice <hack> tidy little package of policing etc. in ‘merka, but heaven forfend some of us have moral objections to policemen either inciting murder or talk about doing it all on their lonesome.http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/04/alabama-police-officer-murder-black-man-self-defense
a) Middlebrooks apparently made the suggestions to the man’s brother-in-law.
b) HIs boss seems to be defending the cop by saying the was really saying the B-I-L should do the killing.
c) City councilors don’t seem to have been told about the payoff.
d) Said cop was later involved in supporting evidence in another controversial killing.
and so the alphabet goes. Might have to add the Runic, Greek and WingDing characters in to cover all the points.
Major Major Major Major
@Another Holocene Human: don’t you know? Elision is the enemy of progress.
satby
@Patricia Kayden: exactly.I’m old enough to remember pre-Roe days, and sluts being punished for illicit sex via pregnancy was the whip that kept girls in line, supposedly.
Birth control, and later legal and available abortion have upended their ability to keep the ladies in line, producing good white snowflake babies.
Did I mention the racism of the anti choice movement in those years?
Brachiator
@Another Holocene Human:
Very good.
Patrick
@Chris:
I don’t get it. We are supposed to be a country of laws where everybody is innocent until proven guilty. Yet regarding Planned Parenthood, the party that claims they are more uber-American than anybody else want to hang them with HIGHLY EDITED videos. Where the hell is the outrage from the media?
satby
@Patrick: just flew in from Brigadoon, did you?
Tokyokie
@Patricia Kayden: With consequences only applying to women, of course.
boatboy_srq
@Major Major Major Major: @Amir Khalid: That’s what I get for blowing past the embedded video I can’t watch…
Major Major Major Major
I am sooooo bored and we don’t have hot water and the electricity is spotty today. Blergh. Should’ve gone to vegas with eveybody else.
Fortunately I’m a level 5 Gay so I can cast Summon Unemployed Twink…
japa21
@gogol’s wife: As if BJ is a place of total agreement when the trolls aren’t around.
Patrick
@Chris:
To be fair, it doesn’t take much to be more popular than either party. Wasn’t their a poll a year ago that said that cockroaches were popular than Congress?
MariedeGournay
@Right to Rise: Anti-abortion activists are acolytes of the Anti-Life Equation. They are not pro-life; they are anti-life. They want to supplant the will and desires of others with their own by stoking fears about phantom babies. They are defined by a singular undying hatred of people who make moral decisions different from their own. The are inheritors of Inquisition; they want a world of mirrors reflecting their self-righteousness, and everything else can Die for Darkseid.
RaflW
@Brachiator:
I still tend to read what srv and mclaren manage to blort out. Helps me see what angry white dudes – making assumptions here, but WTF – are bellyaching about.
But Troll2Rise doesn’t have views. It has a machine-like ability to produce sentences that all mean the same thing: “I am an idiot blind follower and/or paid under-under-underling of a specific campaign and I will do as programmed.” So not interesting.
NonyNony
@gogol’s wife:
I agree – when we don’t have enough trolls the FPers have to do the trolling themselves. They deserve to take a break.
Wait – whut? Did you post this to the wrong blog?
Eh – the trolls around here are still terrible at arguments, but I don’t think they’re representative of the right-wing as a whole. “A guy” is a sad parrot who can’t quite seem to keep his talking points straight, “Right to Rise” is clearly an asshole liberal pretending to be Jeb! supporter to troll us for shits and giggles, and “Knowbody” is less a troll and more a stalker obsessed with Zandar who brays out jackassary in desperate hope that someone will notice him and validate him and make him feel like something other than the pathetic loser he clearly is.
We used to get decent trolls around here, back in the day. These guys sprout fewer angry responses totaled over all of the threads they post on than some of the regulars talking smack to each other can manage in a single thread. Sigh.
ETA: @RaflW:
Forgot about srv and mclaren. They’re longtime regulars though – mclaren’s comments I mostly tune out because, well, mcclaren. And I continue to believe that srv is attempting to be a parody right-wing troll and most of the time fails to execute the joke properly. Too much snark sneaks through too often for me to believe that srv is actually completely serious.
Right to Rise
@Tokyokie:
It’s that kind of angry tone that’s going to be on the way out in Washington come January, 2017.
There will be a new tone, free of your anger and cursing.
raven
Right up to the doors of the ovens.
bemused
@satby:
I also remember pre-Roe days. High school girls from low to high families went away during their pregnancies and their babies were adopted. Some we knew about in high school, some we didn’t. Even recently heard about a couple of the children finding their birth parents from my high school. I didn’t hear about those who had abortions pre-Roe until early college years and it wasn’t pretty.
oth, Planned Parenthood clinics even in NE MN small towns were not a bit controversial that I can recall. Teens and early twenties women may have not told their parents they were getting birth control but the clinics were busy.
Randy P
@Right to Rise:
Since that description also includes Planned Parenthood, we’re good, right?
And since taxpayers aren’t paying for abortion or anything else at PP that anybody views as “baby murder”, again we’re good, amirite?
So, no issue. That was easy.
schrodinger's cat
@satby: Yes and the end game for all the loose talk against illegal immigration is going to culminate in being against all immigration. Look at their think tanks like the Orwellian FAIR, that’s their ultimate goal.
Brachiator
@Another Holocene Human:
And wasn’t it Bush who derided supply side stuff as “voo doo economics?”
The Krugman piece is a nice and to-the-point put down of this nonsense. But I don’t think the GOP and especially the Tea Party want tax cuts because it would be good for the economy. That’s just window dressing. Increasingly, they hate the idea of government (except the military) and just want to see it defunded. And of course it would mean more change in the plutocrats’ pockets.
And with reproductive rights, the GOP seems to believe that if you punish women, maybe men and women will behave. Their vision of morality requires that someone be beat with a stick, the fear of pregnancy or disease.
SRW1
@Roger Moore:
As AHH at #119 said, the fuss is about another spelling reform. One that took place only ten years ago and was/is indeed a mess. I just ignore it when I communicate in written German.
John Revolta
There will be a new tone, free of your anger and cursing.
Hilarious.
I’d been thinking that this was all Paid for by Citizens for Bush, but now I gotta go with pure trolling for the love of it.
Roger Moore
@Another Holocene Human:
I actually think the triple letters are a reasonable idea. If you’re making a compound from a word that ends in a double letter and another that starts with the same letter, it makes sense to have a triple letter. Similarly, getting rid of esszets is a reasonable simplification, since the rules about when to use one and when to use a double s was always confusing. The problem was with not getting everyone to go along, so that they have to accept both spellings from this point on. That’s exactly the opposite of what you’re trying to achieve with orthographic reform.
Gin & Tonic
So this moron troll is not only a moron, but a liar (I’m sure everyone is shocked.) Here’s what it typed last night: “I’m done here. This is my last post until debate night when I will conduct a live blogging of the debate on these comment threads.”
Paul in KY
@NorthLeft12: She managed to get elected Senator. That’s more than the Great Grifter of the North has managed.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
Good!!! So no more name calling such as Arab, Muslim, tyrant, terrorist, Kenyan to describe Barack Obama. I believe it mean I see it from the party that seems to have invented hypocrisy.
RaflW
@Troll2:
Only way that happens in D.C. is if it is a smoking, smouldering ruin.
RaflW
eta: Deleted ’cause who gives a Fk.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
SO WHY THE HELL DID I HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR WAR OF CHOICE IN IRAQ??? How many fricking babies were killed as a result of that war? Hypocrisy at its finest.
Major Major Major Major
See this is why I love this blog. Where else will you randomly run into people with opinions about German orthographic reform?
First person who says ‘germany’ gets slapped :P
Amir Khalid
@Major Major Major Major:
Germany.
Gin & Tonic
@RaflW: Sorry, came in late and reading from the bottom. Which is an apt place to find this douchebag.
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
That’s totally unfair. They only hate the idea of government that actually has to serve everyone regardless of race, color, creed, gender, etc. If they could go back to the good old days of separate and allegedly equal, they’d be more than happy to expand government of the right kind of people, by the right kind of people, and, most importantly, for the right kind of people.
Major Major Major Major
@Amir Khalid: next time I’m in Indonesia you’ll see the back of my hand.
japa21
I love it when people start talking about money being fungible and if we give any money to PP then of course some is going for abortion (which I wouldn’t object to anyway).
Let’s just keep this conversation in regards to abortion, although it applies to many other areas as well.
Anybody that pays for health insurance is, under this arguement, probably paying for abortions. Any Medicaid or Medicare payments to hospitals where abortions are performed, and there are many, is paying for abortions. Any payment to those other health clinics is also eventually helping to fund abortion because they provide health care to women, some of whom will then have abortions.
Any money going to abstinence only education is helping to fund abortions, because the pregnancy rate of girls in that situation is sky high and, I am sure, a goodly percentage of those have abortions they may not have had with proper sex education because they wouldn’t have gotten pregnant in the first place.
And the list goes on and on.
Paul in KY
@Another Holocene Human: I bet she left a bruise :-)
Gin & Tonic
@Major Major Major Major: Indeed. I’ve had someone here explain Sütterlin to me (I have old correspondence which I’ve needed interpreted, and it’s not easy anymore.)
Kay
@A guy:
It really is. Lots and lots of women have complicated miscarriages that require medical intervention every year.
When anti-abortion people say “life begins at conception” they mean exactly that. That has a profound effect on medical treatment for pregnant women, because the fact is they DO put the woman’s health second to the child.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been the mother when what was supposed to be an ordinary delivery “falls off a cliff” but I have. This idea people have that it all works out neatly and the mother’s health can be carefully partitioned from the health of the fetus or baby is fantasy. It’s messy and scary and people are freaking out and running around. I don’t want anyone in that room who comes in with a black/white theological view that means I come second, and I sure as hell don’t want lawyers deciding.
Right to Rise
Jeb Bush making no apologies for campaign cash.
He’s going to VASTLY outspend Billary, burying them under mountains of cash.
Amir Khalid
@Major Major Major Major:
I’m in Malaysia.
Davis X. Machina
@Roger Moore: Swiss German, IIRC, has never used ß, because of a desire to be able to do all the Confoederatio languages on one keyboard…
One of my AFS students told me that you see it in texting even more than you should, because it makes keeping under 140/160 characters a smidgeon easier. I am dubious.
Roger Moore
@Major Major Major Major:
Unlikely, since he lives in Malaysia.
Belafon
@Patrick: R2R should stop eating. Buying all that food causes the companies that produce and sell the food to pay taxes which go into the government coffers, some of which goes to P2P. If he’s so against it, he’d quit contributing.
Major Major Major Major
@Amir Khalid: I’m sorry. That’s what I meant. No offense. Even when I was typing it I was like should I put a ? after Indonesia…?
les
Remember Susan G. Komen Foundation? They tried to take Planned Parenthood off their funding list; they’re not much of a much, now. Hopefully this will be a much different outcome than ACORN.
scav
Lord. They’ve re-invented the rerun season for trolling. BOLDING and money.
NorthLeft12
@Paul in KY: Considering some of the Einsteins that are currently inhabiting the Senate I am not sure that is a positive or a negative.
japa21
@Belafon: Many of them also donate directly to PP. I am assuming he is willing to not use any products from any of the 1,000’s of companies that contribute.
Paul in KY
@scav: Sounds like a freaking Onion story!! Feel sorry for the black citizens of that benighted town.
boatboy_srq
@Kay:
The problem right there. “a guy” hasn’t, by definition. How much anti-choice “defund PP” shrieking are we hearing from conservatist women (besides Susan Collins, who’s losing her “moderate Republican” creds with each passing minute)? How much more are we hearing from conservatist men? There you go.
scav
@Roger Moore: Amir could just have really good eyesight. All he’s got to do is glimpse it.
Paul in KY
@MariedeGournay: You got it!!!
trollhattan
@gogol’s wife: @japa21:
Was going to ask whether there’s a Bizarro Parallel Balloon Juice the opposite of the one I read?
Randy P
@Brachiator:
Yep, which along with his foreign-policy experience as ex-CIA director, caused me to vote for him during the primary season, while I was still a registered Republican. That was in fact the last vote of any kind I cast for a Republican.
And then Reagan picked Bush as his VP and suddenly it wasn’t voodoo anymore. He became, or pretended to become (not sure which one would disgust me more) a true believer.
It took me a year or so of Reagan to finally decide that, since I was likely never going to cast a vote for a Republican for the rest of my life, I might as well switch parties. It had been briefly amusing for my wife and I to appear on paper to be a “mixed” marriage, and it was also mildly entertaining for us to be able to have input into both primary processes. But any sense of fun stopped pretty quick under Reagan.
In fact, the main feeling I remember from 1981 was stunned disbelief that we put somebody like that in the White House, so few years after Nixon’s resignation and the euphoric feeling that the hippies had won for good.
Brachiator
@bemused:
When my family moved to California from Texas, I saw a couple of these places, associated with the Catholic Church, in the Hollywood area. Strange days.
And there is this. A friend’s mother worked for a New York gynecologist. He was a good doctor just setting up his practice. After a time, members of the New York and Connecticut upper class would send their wives, their mistresses, and their daughters to him, when the women contracted an STD or got pregnant. These good upstanding men didn’t want to use the family doctor. Many of these wives and young mistresses and daughters remembered being treated with kindness and dignity and kept going to this doctor when they got older. Changes in society helped smash the shield of hypocrisy keeping “problem” pregnancies in the shadows.
japa21
Oh, and how can he possibly be for Jeb!, a man who served on the Board of Bloomberg Foundation, a foundation which had, as one of its goals, to expand women’s health and funded abortion clinics around the world.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
They just usually leave out the part about it ending at birth.
Chyron HR
If I post about the Great Clearing purging the Republican party of insufficiently revolutionary elements, will JEB! write me a big check, too? I’ll do it, I have no shame.
Major Major Major Major
I’m on my phone and eating lunch give me a break here people
Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: Think you’ll have to be in Indonesia too. I hear Surowak is nice this time of year…
TriassicSands
Elizabeth Warren. The best Democratic politician in my lifetime? I can’t think of anyone better.
dedc79
@japa21:
I tried pointing out to some wingers that they lost this battle along time ago with the Griswold decision on birth control and Roe on abortion. Once birth control and abortion were protected as legal, anyone who engages in commerce is either directly or indirectly funding both. They can try to put up whatever walls they want, but the reality is they’ll never be satisfied until both are again illegal.
Paul in KY
@NorthLeft12: I know, but I do think she’s a bit smarter than Snowball Snooki.
Kay
@japa21:
Worse than that, religious orgs that are publicly-funded have managed to convince people public money is fungible EXCEPT when it’s going to religious orgs, in which case it’s strictly confined to secular purpose, locked in a drawer marked “not religious”.
The whole argument is ridiculous. If public money is fungible in the case of abortion then public money is also fungible when it’s used to support religious hospitals and schools and orgs. They can’t have it both ways.
2/3’s of Catholic Charities funding comes from the government. Oddly, we never hear any screeching about how secular people are funding a church. They should rename it Catholic Contractors. Truth in advertising.
Paul in KY
@trollhattan: I guess we’d all have pointed goatees…Or maybe we wouldn’t have them.
Roger Moore
@japa21:
Many posters here- including me- also contribute to PP, so maybe he should refuse to use this blog for fear of supporting it indirectly.
Kay
@Roger Moore:
Medical “management” of miscarriage is about abortion. Let’s all just be clear on that. Choices are made.
Major Major Major Major
@Roger Moore: as long as he doesn’t use the Amazon affiliate or in any way load any page with ads ever then he should be clean.
Of course the only way to do that is to never visit again..
burnspbesq
@Right to Rise:
No. We cannot agree on that, you despicable woman-hating turd.
Kropadope
@Germy Shoemangler:
Would it help if I said I was sorry?
Amir Khalid
@Right to Rise:
Jeb! should worry, though, because he’s been falling further and further behind in the polls compared to that buffoon Trump. Jeb has been a curiously lacklustre candidate so far. If he doesn’t up his game to beat Trump in the primaries, and right now he can’t take that for granted, there will be no contest between him and Hillary.
trollhattan
@TriassicSands:
Guessing “politician” means different things to different people. I’m not sure Warren has the political chops yet, but she’s getting better at it to be sure. Nancy SMASH, to pick an example, is leagues ahead in her mastery of the intricacies of congress and how to lead the unleadable. The president comes to mind, also, too.
Warren is smart as a whip, focused intently on things that actually matter and gaining her voice. Who knows, she might be ready for the bigs, come the next major cycle. In the meantime we’re lucky she’s the senior senator from Massachusetts.
Am likewise keeping an eye on Franken, as I find him brilliant and a very astute study.
Roger Moore
@Kay:
But they’ll never stop trying.
Kropadope
@Right to Rise:
Because that’s all that matters in our majorly under-regulated election process.
gogol's wife
@TriassicSands:
Obama.
Amir Khalid
@Paul in KY:
I think you mean Sarawak, which is a state in Malaysia.
Patrick
@Right to Rise:
Then, by your OWN argument, nobody should then have to fund dumb wars, because they also contribute to baby murder.
trollhattan
@Paul in KY:
My medicine cabinet is “special” if you get my drift.
dmsilev
@Amir Khalid: Jeb’s handlers went whining to the NYT when Hillary took a pretty mild swipe at him, complaining that she wasn’t being sporting or some nonsense like that. If the campaign’s collective skin is the thin, they’re going to find the next several months very painful.
Belafon
@Major Major Major Major: Every time he comments and we respond it increases the chance of Balloon Juice ending up in someone’s search results, which means more people here, which could mean more revenue. Then the taxes go to the government.
It would just be better if R2R sat at home with the power off.
gogol's wife
@Major Major Major Major:
LOL
SiubhanDuinne
@kindness:
I believe Charlie is back posting at Grantland, but I don’t think he’s back at Esquire yet. He was supposed to be back there as of yesterday, but for sure he’ll be covering Thursday’s debate.
trollhattan
@Kropadope:
Gosh, where have I heard this notion of money buying elections before?
One might do well to check with Whitman, Meg and Fiorina, Carly on the topic of buying votes.
Paul in KY
@Amir Khalid: Gosh darn it!!! Screwed up my joke. I’ll just keep to the Western Hemisphere from now on :-)
SiubhanDuinne
@boatboy_srq:
Oh certainly. I want to see the “ex-” prefix attached to all their names.
Paul in KY
@trollhattan: I do, I do! Saynomore, nudge, nudge…
Gin & Tonic
@trollhattan: Who knows, she might be ready for the bigs, come the next major cycle.
In 2020 she will be 71 years old.
Kropadope
@trollhattan: In 2010, Carly Fiorina spent 21 million. Barbara Boxer spent 29 million. More money won, it doesn’t matter that the money Florin was spending was her own.
trollhattan
@Paul in KY:
“Your wife’s a ‘goer’, eh? (nudge-nudge).”
“Yes, she ‘goes.'”
“Oooh, I bet she does!”
SiubhanDuinne
@ThresherK (GPad):
I saw what you did there.
bemused
@Brachiator:
Using birth control pills solely for contraception was also in the shadows for teenagers. If the topic came up, teens and their parents would just say the pill was necessary to regulate horrible menstrual cycles.
trollhattan
@Gin & Tonic:
Handsome Joe’s what, 72? and has folks trying to draft him.
Origuy
@Major Major Major Major: Stalin? The 1917 Russian Spelling reform got rid of three letters.
Also, Éamon de Valera and others in the Irish Free State
goblue72
Lizzy Warren brought an axe; She gave the GOPers 40 whacks.
Doug R
@Right to Rise: piss off
Patricia Kayden
@Right to Rise: Racist says what now? Running on and on about $$$ because that’s all you have. No one was afraid of unlimited cash in 2008 or 2012 and we’re not afraid now. But keep running your mouth about Jebbie and $$$ as if that’s all it takes to win elections. Probably brainless idiots like you are swayed by which candidate spends the most but sensible people look for substance in their presidential candidates.
And that’s why the next President will be Secretary Clinton.
Mike E
Liz Gettin’ Her War On!
trollhattan
@Kropadope:
Demon sheep, baby!
Totaled Whitman’s (reported) money spent versus votes cast and it was more than sixty dollars per vote. Jerry probably spent a nickle and got change back.
Patricia Kayden
@Doug R: There are folks here who love him apparently. Not sure why though. But I guess it’s good to have someone to point and laugh at between now and November 2016. I hope he sticks around after Secretary Clinton wins though so we can go over what went wrong with the “unlimited cash” election strategy for Jebbie. LOL.
PurpleGirl
In line with the statistics pertaining to the numbers of women who use PP: Once when I was between jobs and didn’t have the money for a private doctor, I used a PP clinic in Manhattan. A call to acknowledge using PP should go out to all women. I may have other options now but back some time ago, PP was there and I used them. Hell, my mother used PP for BC in her first marriage.
goblue72
@kindness: Liz Warren is a Masshole wrapped inside of a Goo-Goo. Or possible, a Goo-Goo wrapped inside of a Masshole. Either way, there’s a reason she’s the most popular pol in Massachusetts.
TriassicSands
@trollhattan:
Franken is great. His transition from comedian to serious legislator has been remarkable, but not surprising — as you say, he is smart as hell. It’s ironic — Franken, the former professional comedian is impressively serious as a senator, while the so-called “serious” Republicans (Paul Ryan, for example) are all terribly unfunny clowns.
goblue72
@Right to Rise: I and many Americans view the entire Department of Defense as a war-mongering murder department wrapped inside of a money pit. I’d think its immoral that my tax dollars go to fund it.
Can’t we all just agree that since the DoD is a murder department that we should defund it?
xenos
@Kay: the “life begins at conception” really posses me off, because fertilisation takes place days before implantation, which is the beginning of pregnancy. Thus the rights of the unborn are extended to the time before a woman is pregnant.
Thus, women are always potentially risking the survival of unborn children, and are made permanently second-class citizens.
Kay
@Right to Rise:
State after state after state has restricted abortion yet anti-abortion people are just as vehement as the day this started. It’s not about “reasonable compromise”. To still believe that is to ignore everything that has happened since Roe.
“Life begins at conception” is a position that starts at “no possible compromise”.
Gravenstone
@Belafon:
I find my suggestion more satisfactory, and more permanent.
Gravenstone
@trollhattan: But women age so much faster than men. That’s why they outlive them, or something something argle bargle.
Kropadope
@trollhattan: Yeah, I was having trouble finding numbers for the governor race that year. But you’re right, Whitman did spend a lot. Still, in most elections the winner is the one who spends the most.
trollhattan
In case y’all have yet to see it, Wonkette celebrates the president’s 54th in that special Wonkette way. To start the ball rolling…
Matt McIrvin
@xenos: They don’t even mean the moment of fertilization. They really mean the moment the people have sex, which can be many hours before that. That’s why so many insist that Plan B or ordinary birth-control pills are the same thing as abortion.
cckids
@Amir Khalid:
So true. I saw him giving some statement about something (God, he’s forgettable), and thought that, even without the ENORMOUS handicap of the Bush name around his neck, he’s in the same general place as Pataki or Kasich. Former governors, blah, blah, blah. I’d bet 90% of the general population could watch a speech by him & say “meh”.
He’ll never be president. Not enough $$ in the world.
Mike J
Nick Martucci @BlunderingIdiom 13h13 hours ago
Birth control?
BAN IT!
Abortion?
BAN IT!
Gay marriage?
BAN IT!
Guns?
Look, banning things never works. People will find ways to get them.
katie5
Made the mistake of watching Morning Joe today. Scar went off on Warren, effectively calling her a monster and stupid. Rest of the panelists looked on horrified yet mute.
shell
Just saw a list of Newsmax headlines on another site. (Thank god Wonkette replaced them here.)
10 of them. Only two had anything to do with the news. The other 8 were all infomercial trash.
gvg
In spite of the now conventional view that the “establishment” Bush will be the nominee, I would like us all to remember when the possibility was first being floated. Most of us laughed because Bush II was so unpopular. I still think that is a big factor. He is the Brother of a disaster and he cannot win either.
I think the trump surprise is distracting people but Jeb should never have tried. It would probably be more obvious in a less horrible pool of candidates. And why are we only seeing GOP clowns? Yes the whole party seems nuts right now but I think also, any better prospects think they would lose the general and are avoiding a loser stink. As foolish as we are, do you really think we would vote Bush again?
JPL
If this isn’t proof that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh aren’t cancers on our society I don’t know what is.
nbcnews.com A woman took her son to an IHOP for an early birthday celebration and an older bigoted white lady berated her for speaking Spanish.
I’m so sick. My grandmother felt more comfortable speaking to my father in French. We have lost any sense of common decency.
Brachiator
@TriassicSands:
I remember reading Franken’s “Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot.” It was well written, well researched and supported all its accusations.
Funny, too.
Mike in NC
@cckids: JEB! appears to combine all of the worst traits of his father and brother. A poor public speaker, gets riled easily, surrounded by sycophants, etc. His record as governor alone should cause his campaign to collapse.
There will be a tearful phone call to mom in Kennebunkport on Friday morning. Meanwhile, Trump will be up another 8-10 points.
dmbeaster
@Right to Rise: BS. Zero taxpayer dollars fund abortion at PP. No body parts are sold. If we are going to agree to disagree about abortion, then first af all, dont peddle in lies.
Otherwise all anti-abortionists want to bomb clincs and and murder the doctors and the patients at the clinic. See how much fun it is to disagree when facts go out the window?
trollhattan
@shell:
If they can up that to ten of ten ads, then Newsmax will have finally acheived usefulness.
“This revolutionary anti-aging trick will shock you young.”
Gin & Tonic
@JPL: Best part of that story? The bigot berated the woman for speaking Spanish in the American city of … drumroll, please … Los Angeles.
JPL
@Gin & Tonic: On the NBC news stations in Los Angeles, most comments were okay. One made me laugh though, because a person posted that the lady needed to walk down a street in San Francisco.
Roger Moore
@Matt McIrvin:
I don’t think they really mean any of those things. They really mean that abortion and contraception are bad BECAUSE, and the rest of it is just rationalization.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Gin & Tonic: Or as it was know at it founding, “El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de los Ángeles del Río de Porciúncula”.
bemused
@JPL:
That woman is a complete idiot and nasty. Someone should suggest to her that she learn Spanish so she will know what people are saying about her when she is out and about around people speaking Spanish all the time.
trollhattan
@Roger Moore:
Wonder what the dead-enders’ plan is now that Calif and Ore pharmacies are going to be allowed to dispense contraceptives w/o a doctor’s prescription? That’s a lot of picketing.
Mike J
@BillinGlendaleCA: This is America. She should be speaking Navajo.
JPL
@bemused: Her friends must be so proud.
In a perfect country, she’d get the Walter Palmer treatment.
Patrick
@JPL:
So I wonder if this bigoted idiot then wants American tourists in foreign countries to also speak the local tongue. So in French she expects Americans to speak French.
Or is she one of those people who expects the rest of the world to speak English at all times even if they are in France or Germany or whatever foreign country?
cckids
@Mike in NC:
This. ALL of this. The irony is that if his last name weren’t Bush, no-one would even think of him as presidential material. And, yet, BUSH. He could be an Obama-like public speaker & human being, and not be able to overcome that anchor.
PS, Anyone who has the human decency of Pres. B. Obama would not ever be a Republican.
scav
Un-merkan over-edjumatated Eeeeliiittissts ‘r’ bilingual, rict uhp dere wid dem durty furriners. kant hav dat sorta folks contamerating red-bluded restrants.
What was that white woman doing patronizing an International House of Pancakes anyway?
MattF
@trollhattan: I’m impressed. Wonkette must have hired Photoshop specialists.
scav
@Patrick: What the hell was white purity lady doing eating at an International House of Pancakes anyway? Foreign pancakes, coming here, stealing all our red-blooded national flapjacks’ plates . . .
JPL
@scav: Gosh, I think they even serve French Fries at IHOP.
Roger Moore
@Gin & Tonic:
It’s also mildly amusing that it was in the International House of Pancakes. That said, it must be really hard to survive in Los Angeles if it bothers you to hear people speaking in a language other than English; certainly if you aren’t rich enough to live in a lily-white enclave.
Brachiator
@JPL:
What is particularly heinous to me is this bigot thinking that she has the right to freely express her hatred, and the Spanish speaker is just supposed to passively take it. It is also despicable that this piece of crap would in any way make the child feel bad, ruin his day because she has a need to act the fool.
But white racists think that this is their country, their world, and that they have to get aggressive and take it back. They can stand their ground. All others must yield.
This is the ugly racist garden that the GOP and the Tea Party has been tending ever since Obama won the nomination. At yet they insist on denying the strange fruit that is the result of their earnest efforts.
Bastards.
BillinGlendaleCA
@Mike J: I saw this on the local news last night, the IHOP was located in Koreatown.
JPL
@Brachiator: Since the lady mentioned Nazi’s, I’d love for a media type to ask her what she thinks about Charles Lindbergh. In fact, all of the presidential candidates could be asked since they mention Hitler so often.
I googled and huff picked it up but only on their latino page.
JPL
@BillinGlendaleCA: wow
Roger Moore
@trollhattan:
Hopefully, it involves getting the hell out of CA and OR and leaving us alone. On the other hand that would mean wishing them on somebody else, and I shouldn’t do that. Maybe they’ll just FOADIAF.
Matt McIrvin
@japa21: Under the “money is fungible” argument anyone paying a salary to a woman who might get an abortion is paying for abortions, so the only remedy would be to pay in company-store scrip not redeemable for an abortion, or to simply forbid abortion as a condition of employment.
We’re going in a direction that renders employees utterly subject in their personal lives to the religious preferences of their employers. That’s why I’ve always thought of this as primarily a labor-management issue: to what extent can employers control workers’ lives? The Republican concept of freedom is that it means money is equivalent to power, to an arbitrary degree, and the person who pays you can make you live according to their rules.
Mike in NC
@Patrick: Millions of Americans would be horrified to find themselves in a foreign country, where people didn’t speak English, used a different currency, ate unfamiliar foods, and so forth.
These are the folks who’d rather just go to Epcot and play make-believe. I’ve known my share of them.
sharl
OT, and in case someone hasn’t already noted it, but historian Robert Conquest died yesterday. He was 98.
IIRC, the (UK) Telegraph is a rather conservative rag, but it looks like they did OK with that obit. Here’s the man’s Wikipedia entry though.
A very big name, and I wish I could claim to know more about him and his writing. I don’t know if his passing is front page-worthy, but figured it should be noted at least somewhere in these parts.
jl
@Gin & Tonic: Highland Park, in Los Angeles County. Not sure whether it is a neighborhood of LA or a separate city. But that bigot waitress must yell at the customers all day long, since Hispanics and Asians are well over 50 percent of population in that area.
I keep forgetting that IHOP still exists. Ever since they changed their menu and I can’t get Sonoran pancakes with black beans and salsa, or German French toast stuffed with sauerkraut and pigs knuckles, I’m just not interested. I am amazed that this location is still in business if they are so rude to customers.
Matt McIrvin
@trollhattan: Presumably, to take over the pharmacies and use pharmacists’ “religious freedom” to prevent contraceptive sales at the counter. They’ve been trying that for a while now.
Roger Moore
@JPL:
I thought the son’s response to that was pretty good- that she’s the one ordering people around and telling them what to do. It’s a damn solid response, and better than I’d probably come up with in the heat of the moment.
Ruckus
@cckids:
The only reason he has any traction is because of his name. It’s all he has. That his name gives him any shot is a huge problem, especially as the name is a very negative value.
RaflW
@Kropadope: More money, and Fiorina was a very flawed candidate. Lets not fall into the UNLIMITED idea that money automatically gets a candidate in. Plenty of $$$ folks have lost because they suck at spending it wisely, suck at campaigning, suck at picking staffs and strategies. Just $$$ is not the the golden ticket it is claimed to be.
jl
@Mike in NC:
” Trump will be up another 8-10 points. ”
And… looks like Trump is. I won’t put in links from TPM since there are too many today and will put this comment in moderation.
But Trump’s favorable rating among GOP voters is rising and unfavorable dropping like a rock, so maybe his ceiling of support in GOP is higher than thought.
And a 24 person focus group representing all voters in NY as 2 to 1 against Trump. Higher info people in the focus group noted that Trump was a ‘live sitcom’ and changed his views like underwear.
I’d like to see a new poll on whether feeling on Trump has changed in general population. Last I saw 60 to 65 percent said that they would not even consider voting for him. I doubt that has changed much, but will be watching for news on that.
Brachiator
@Roger Moore:
Of course the running joke is that Spanish is regularly spoken in the richest parts of Los Angeles, by nannies, cooks, gardeners, etc.
BTW, some of the richest parts of Los Angeles are not lily-white. They are probably Chinese.
Patrick
@Roger Moore:
Just a fantastic response. But I highly doubt that the bigot understood the irony whatsoever.
PurpleGirl
My mother spoke English, also Italian and Spanish. Yet she complained to me about hearing people speak Greek (and probably other languages) when out shopping. My father’s family came from Austria but once here they spoke English and very little German. Interesting how things work out.
RaflW
@Matt McIrvin: Babymaking begins at the moment of marriage. Or maybe dancing, which is why baptists oppose dancing since unmarried people are attracted to such sin. Holding hands seems OK, so I guess that’s safe sex if you’re a fundamentalist.
Roger Moore
@jl:
Highland Park is a neighborhood of LA. It’s in the Northeast part of the city, bordering the neighborhoods of Eagle Rock and Mt. Washington and the cities of Pasadena and South Pasadena. It’s an area that’s undergone rapid gentrification recently; Marketplace did a whole series on it.
MomSense
@Right to Rise:
Tax dollars do not fund abortion services. It’s called the Hyde Amendment.
RaflW
@trollhattan: I do enjoy what NewsMax implies: that conservatives are such suckers that only 20% of what they shovel out even has to pass the (very low there) smell test of ‘newsiness.’ The rest is up-front, obvious as nose-pimples hucksterism.
JPL
@PurpleGirl: Did she have other family members here? When with family, my grandmother felt comfortable speaking French. The woman who was attacked was speaking to her son.
MomSense
@Another Holocene Human:
That was my reaction.
Davis X. Machina
@goblue72: Second most popular. Obama got more votes than she did (+200,000 or so) in 2012, when they were both on the same ballot at the same time.
Bex
@Mike J: Aoo’
PurpleGirl
@RaflW: Uh, no holding hands either. Holding hands just leads to other behavior and a moral downfall for the two people. No physical touching until after marriage. Ever wonder why so many marriages break up in the south… people can’t be together to any degree unless married. They marry and find out how much they detest each other and they then divorce. In places like MA and NY, etc., people free free to experiment and tend not to marry until they are sure of the other person and the relationship.
jl
@Roger Moore: Thanks. That area is such a patchwork of things it is hard for me to remember. I lived in Eagle Rock for a summer and know that is a neighborhood of LA, but not sure about other communities.
Mike J
@Bex: https://xkcd.com/84/
RaflW
@jl: From TPM
This is clearly good news to Troll2Rise. Because jeb. sinking rapidly in the polls, statistically tied with Walker is so perfect. Everyone is falling into place in jeb.s super-special UNLIMITED plan that will hatch, like an alien creature from jeb.s glorious gut, and take over the GOP … and the WORLD!
Wheeeeeeee….
BillinGlendaleCA
@PurpleGirl:
And even then, only to have children and in the dark.
Quaker in a Basement
Sen. Elizabeth Pocket-Full-of-Rocks?
BillinGlendaleCA
@RaflW: Of course in RtR world, when Trump implodes all his support will go to jeb!.
PurpleGirl
@JPL: My mother had other family here but they all spoke English as their first language. Her brothers and sisters rarely spoke Italian. She often spoke Italian with neighbors on our block. She learned Spanish from her first husband and lived with his family in Mexico for about a year after he died. Again, she later spoke it with neighbors. But she really didn’t like hearing other people speak their native languages. (Amusing anecdote, my grandmother was pregnant with my mother when she came to the US to join her husband (my grandfather). My mother was born a month or so after grandma arrived here.)
Patricia Kayden
@gvg: For some reason, my gut (very Peggy Noonanesque) is telling me that Jebbie won’t be the Republican candidate. I think it’s going to be Walker. I agree with you that Bush The Decider has damaged the Bush legacy beyond repair. Republicans wouldn’t even allow him to attend the RNC convention in 2008 or 2012.
Walker could appeal to Republicans who can’t abide any more embarrassing Bush presidents.
http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/04/21/3649458/koch-scott-walker-endorsement/
Roger Moore
@Brachiator:
You don’t have to tell me. I live in eastern Pasadena and go on walks into Arcadia regularly. It’s scary how much Chinese money is going into real estate in Arcadia. In the neighborhood I go through most often, they’re tearing out nice post-war houses and putting in monstrosities designed to sell to Chinese businessmen. This isn’t your typical business of tearing down modest (1500-2000 sq ft) houses on tiny California-size lots and putting in McMansions; they’re taking out upper middle-class houses (2500-4000 sq ft on lots 1/2 acre and up) and putting in 8000+ sq ft monsters. I still don’t think it’s as crazy as Beverly Hills- there aren’t the kind of really huge properties- but it’s still amazing.
slag
Yay, Elizabeth Warren! Yay, Planned Parenthood! Yay, safe and legal abortion!
The federal government needs to get over it and stop preventing federal funds from being used for safe, legal abortion. It’s a ridiculous rule. And Warren should acknowledge that fact. It is 2015, after all.
PurpleGirl
@jl: The best description I’ve read of L.A. is “26 suburbs in search of a city” (quoted from The Late, Great State of California).
Brachiator
@Patrick:
Since when did these fantasy Russians and Nazis start speaking Spanish. What a fool.
The other thing that is infuriating is that these racist idiots forget when their ancestors were immigrants, and when they spoke languages other than English. This is double BS when coming from people like the Koch brothers. Their grandfather, Harry, owed much to Dutch communities in America and even to Dutch companies investing the the US railroad industry.
The myth of English Only White Assimilationist America is a Big Lie.
jl
@RaflW: Too bad, with all of his wonderful qualities, Jeb! comes off like a snotty ignorant phlegmatic dolt, barely competent to understand and respond in English during what should be ordinary conversation. Why can’t all that unlimited corporate cash solve that problem? It is a mystery.
I read some pundit the other day who compared this years crop of GOP favorably to 2008 and 2012.
How can that be? Where is there even a McCain or a Romney in this bunch? Romney would be an improvement, maybe even in terms of being electable in the general. Carson is very smart and accomplished in his profession, but he has gone nuts. And the only one who has demonstrated competence at anything is Trump, and his field of expertise is marketing himself and some varieties of BS entertainment and recreation projects..
slag
@MomSense:
It’s also a bullshit amendment that should go away. If the organization is worth funding, just fund it and stop micromanaging the organization.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all the red tape associated with the Hyde Amendment sucked up a good portion of the funding the organization receives from the feds. Just another backward way we do business here in the USA.
Kropadope
@RaflW:
I didn’t say it was automatic. I finally found figures for Whitman in the same election cycle and she actually massively outspent Brown until the last few weeks. But we all know money helps win elections, the winner usually spends the most, and we have lost some good candidates to being buried in money by big donors
JPL
@PurpleGirl: I saw the first Godfather movie in a town that was mainly Italian. The italian lines were not subtitled in the film but the audience enjoyed it.
If people were really concerned about heritage, they would not accost someone for speaking a different language then there’s.
jl
@Kropadope: Problem with some GOP candidates is the good publicity they get from unlimited corporate cash paid media cannot keep up with the damage done by free media of the ‘so bad it is good’ entertainment train wrecks they create whenever they slip up and act like themselves.
I have high hopes that all the GOPers who have a chance for 2016 will follow the trail blazed by the likes of Whitman.
bemused
@JPL:
No doubt they are proud. Birds of a feather is probably a safe bet.
I don’t know if that woman has been anywhere else in Europe aside from Spain but she should have noticed that many furriners speak English. I wonder if she thought they were traitors to their own country and language while probably glad she could understand them.
bemused
@BillinGlendaleCA:
Oh, that really made me laugh. I wonder if she lectures Korean-Americans too or is it only Spanish speaking people she is pissed off at.
Ruckus
@BillinGlendaleCA:
A fellow I worked with once described someone we knew as the type that would have sex with the lights out, both wearing pajamas and 2 condoms. This of course is to avoid any possible skin contact with another human, as that would be dirty.
Ruckus
@Brachiator:
This is what redshirt was talking about the other day. Forgetting that most of us in the US have our roots from other countries. Of course if you go far enough back we all started in one (OK possibly 2 or 3 places) place and moved around. But that is too much for some to deal with, and leads to thinking things like Jesus was a white guy who spoke english.
PurpleGirl
@Brachiator:
Since when did these fantasy Russians and Nazis start speaking Spanish.
Well, when the Russians were really involved with Cuba, a lot of Russians were there for various reasons and they learned and spoke Spanish. It was a more academic Spanish, though. At the non-profit I used to work for, one of our field coordinators who worked in the Bronx and was our proofreader for Spanish versions of training materials, was born in Russia but lived in Cuba for a number of years and then came here.
Ruckus
@bemused:
Having traveled a bit myself I’ve observed in others that if you qualify as an ugly american when you travel, few people will remember how to speak english. If you make even the slightest attempt to be a human being it is amazing how many languages people can learn. Most americans can go their entire lives without having to learn another language, and it shows.
Roger Moore
@jl:
They confused quantity for quality. SATSQ.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@BillinGlendaleCA:
I didn’t think there was any way for the bigot in that story to look even stupider but really? Really?
Is it only Spanish that enrages her, and Korean is okay? WTFF?
KS in MA
@Mike J:
THIS.
A guy
Lol at warren. Spends all that air accusing the GOP of attacking women’s rights blind to the fact that the pro life contingent is concerned about bot the mother and. child. As any mother should be.
Another Holocene Human
@oldster: Warren’s in a, what, 70% D in a POTUS election state? She can afford to say those things. That’s why leadership lets her do it.
Although to be fair there are some D’s in a similar position in other states but they suck too damn much.
Markey was long an ardent supporter of women’s reproductive rights but he takes a quieter approach? That’s probably good, to have the people who draw the media attention and the people who work behind the scenes. Warren is a lightning rod by definition so even though she isn’t a born speechifier, she might as well go for broke speechifying.
Now why we haven’t heard from the CA delegation is anyone’s guess.
KS in MA
@Brachiator:
“It is also despicable that this piece of crap would in any way make the child feel bad, ruin his day”
That’s usually the bully’s intended outcome, isn’t it?
Another Holocene Human
@Major Major Major Major:
lol
so today we were taking a walk out of town and we saw this cute looking sex shop surrounded by gay businesses and went in … and everything inside was heterosexual. It was so weird. :)
Another Holocene Human
@Roger Moore: I feel like the old spelling hewed closer to spelling how things were pronounced.
Aside from Germanizing some foreign loan words, the last spelling reform went away from that. Just because Betttuch has three t’s doesn’t mean it’s now a rare triple consonant, just like “muß” and “mussen” aren’t pronounced quite the same. I’m not a linguist but I do know the difference between an end consonant and a double consonant.
Another Holocene Human
@RaflW: lol over here at “Troll 2”. Well played.
Another Holocene Human
@Paul in KY: It’s like you know me.
Another Holocene Human
@boatboy_srq: “a guy” could be a really misogynistic ftm who never sprogged
or a woman who never sprogged and chose a male handle to navigate the internet
although I’d like to think that given such casual ignorance “a guy” displayed today that neither of the above possibilities are the case
Another Holocene Human
@trollhattan: I love Franken. ::sigh::
Ironically, I couldn’t stand his SNL act.
MomSense
@slag:
I completely agree. The right to a safe abortion is not enough if you cannot afford it. I would support full funding of abortion services. I trust women to make their own medical decisions and health insurance and/or Medicaid should pay the bill.
Another Holocene Human
@bemused:
To be fair, horrible menstrual cycles, including massive bleeding and other nasties, are more common than you think. That’s what Sandra Fluke was actually talking about.
These motherfuckers would rather see young women become infertile than give an inch on “slut pills”.
I know people who had abrading of their uteruses or hysterectomy performed for the same conditions.
ETA: Catholic Church vehemently opposed IVF as well. They claim it’s the dead fertilized eggs, boo hoo babies, but the REAL reason has to do with this notion that it is an offense against God to control your fertility and that includes infertility. They literally tell couples to be like Hannah (the mother of Samuel) who was barren and pray for a baby, and God will grant your wish if and when He wants.
bemused
@MomSense:
Jeb seems to think there enough women’s health services available or at least women don’t need a half billion dollars more. So Jeb, why do you think so many women are not getting what they need?
Oh wait, he just said he misspoke….again. I’m losing track of how many times he has had to backtrack or “clarify” himself. One might start to think he is new to this political stuff.
A guy
Warren probably still thinks lily Ledbetter case gave women equal pay for equal work
A guy
There’s a difference between a medical complication and an abortion. But let’s ask the fetus. Sorry we can’t they’ve been sold by planned parenthood to a lab
bemused
@Another Holocene Human:
I was talking about that wayback time when people didn’t want to talk about their young’uns having sex. The menstrual reason was used so they wouldn’t have to admit their daughters were on birth control to avoid pregnancy.
Another Holocene Human
@JPL:
This is horrible. Shit like this happened to me and my friends in Europe in the 1990s, but this high level derp has come to our shores. You’re right about common decency. That is disgusting. Keep your nasty opinions to yourself. My wife had one set of grandparents who spoke German, the other spoke Yiddish. My great-grands spoke Low German. My great aunt grew up speaking Polish until Hitler upended her world.
Are English speakers really that insecure?
bemused
@Another Holocene Human:
Oh and I personally have personally experienced those menstrual issues and remedies on the beginning end and then on the ending end of my delightful time of a woman’s life.
maurinsky
RE: Abortion. Every abortion means a woman gets to go on to a productive life, take care of children she already has (most women who have abortions already have at least one child), not incur the high financial cost of giving birth,not to mention the high cost of having more children. It means she can finish school, get a job and support herself. It means she won’t have the health risks involved with pregnancy, which can and do kill women every year. If you are anti-abortion, you are anti-woman.
Another Holocene Human
@Gin & Tonic: I … the fuck … I was just in California for vacation and marveling at the bilingualism. Florida is bilingual but some parts are more in denial than others. The Turnpike just went whole hog at the rest stops with Spanish (although a lot of the vendor employees were already bilingual). Orlando’s pretty good (Puerto Ricans, mainly) but you hit Ignorance Country north of there.
But just the other day I had some tourists asking for directions in Spanish. Thank god they knew a little English because I can’t cough up any useful Spanish on the spot.
bemused
@Another Holocene Human:
The people who have stayed in their social cocoons all their lives, conservative christians, rural small town folks, who are predominately republican. They do feel that insecure but instead of doing something about that, they get all offended and defensive.
Another Holocene Human
@bemused: Shit, my dead granny used to watch Spanish cable news to keep her Spanish skills up. She traveled to Argentina (lived there for a while), Spain, and Mexico in her lifetime. (She was an Irish Catholic, picked up a collection of religious paraphernalia while she was at it. And she gushed about Spain’s high speed rail.)
Of course she was a big fat bleeding liberal, so there’s that.
A guy
Maurinsky- that was beautiful. I guess it’s all about the woman and her ability to succeed. A real mom doesn’t think that way. And well the unborn child of course has no say whatsoever
bemused
@Another Holocene Human:
I already had a big hunch she was a liberal. It just didn’t seem to fit a conservative to want to keep up with Spanish because she traveled and raved about high speed rail. Your granny was ahead of her time, good for her.
Another Holocene Human
@PurpleGirl: Is it resentment? I love being on the subway and hearing 3 different languages. But I’ve always had an interest in languages.
I’ve come to see multiple languages as the hallmark of a really great city.
bemused
@A guy:
If the pro-life contingent are pregnant womens’ friends, who needs enemies. Haven’t heard their concern about cutting food stamps and piddly issues like that.
Another Holocene Human
@maurinsky: Before abortion and birth control there were the Victorian baby farms. Top that for horror.
A guy
Best thing about West Virginia is that we have two languages. English and southern wv redneck English. Don’t want Spanish here at all.
A guy
Bemused- good point. With the food stamps a mom can feed herself instead of her aborted kid.
rikyrah
@Patricia Kayden:
exactly
A guy
It has to do about life
The Lodger
@JPL: Lured off the game preserve, shot with an arrow and beheaded?
Susan K of the tech support
Elizabeth Beast Mode
Eliza-BeastMode
Warren Beast Mode
Elizabeth’s War on Error
Eliza-Beast Mode’s War on Error
JPL
@The Lodger: Not the Cecil treatment, the Walter treatment. She really needs to be shamed.
boatboy_srq
@Another Holocene Human: Anyone who identifies as “a guy” doesn’t deserve to the presumption of the possibility of being female. Especially, as you noted, when he’s as clueless as he lets on.
Steeplejack
@Major Major Major Major:
No. But when scav came back at you with a joke playing off that—“Noah Webster!” instead of the expected usual—you went all deadpan and teachery, like you are the only one who remembers it. Comedy fail.
P.S. Am I the only one who remembers the “[something] fail” formulation?
The Lodger
@Brachiator: Nazis? Well, there was always Adolf Eichmann… also, several thousand former SS men who got some of the 10,000 blank Argentine passports issued by Juan Peron.
The Lodger
@Steeplejack: No, I lived through the Bush II era, too.
maurinsky
@A guy:
Well, I’m a real mom, so once again, you are wrong. You and other anti-abortion folks don’t want women to have full freedom, and the freedom to control reproduction is crucial for women, and crucial for their families. Crucial.
I had an abortion, and it saved my family, it saved me so I could be there for my family, and I’m grateful to live in a state that has laws that protect the legal right to an abortion.
maurinsky
@A guy:
“It has to do about life”
except for the woman’s life, she doesn’t enter into the calculation because she’s not as important as a fetus.
Steeplejack
@The Lodger:
See, this is how humor is supposed to work on a well-run blog.
Debbie
Dammit, I want her for President!
J R in WV
@A guy:
The pro-life segment of the republican party cares nothing about the mother. They would prevent medical assistance to any woman experiencing a miscarriage – this isn’t a hypothetical at all!
Recently a woman experiencing a fetal death was doomed to death herself in Ireland, because the catholic managed hospitals wouldn’t allow doctors to remove the deceased fetus from her womb until she was poisoned by the decay occurring in her belly.
This is the morality – or complete lack of morality – imposed when so-called pro-life organizations have control over medical decisions, without regard for the woman’s health compared to the never-independently-alive fetus. These men have no regard for any woman’s health. They only care for their rigid philosophy, not for actual living people at all.
This is why they were able to deploy the Inquisition against converso Jews and anyone who wasn’t completely devoted to the catholic theology, to the complete rejection of compassion for others.
Horrible, but historically true. They would push a city’s population into the cathedral, fasten the doors closed, and set fire to it, to obliterate the whole population in one giant auto-de-fe celebration of death to the heretics!
Burning people at the stake was so retail compared to burning a whole population in a cathedral, don’t you know. Any republican would do it the wholesale method rather than retail, wouldn’t they? Of course they will !!
Monsters! The new Pope Frank is just as big a monster as Pope Benedict, he just has a smoother presentation, with the same old authoritarian tradition behind the smooth front. And most all the republicans are bound to the same religious monstrosity.
Just watch them if they get asked about Planned Parenthood!! They hate the very idea of planning reproduction, unless they get to do the planning.
J R in WV
@A guy:
That’s the fucking lie the republican fundamentalists want us to believe.
Fetal tissues are legally used for scientific research which may lead to cures for many diseases. This is legal because congress passed a law making it legal, and Mitch McConnell voted for it along with most other republicans.
The cost of processing those tissues so they will be suitable for use in research is met by the researchers. All this is well known if you care about the facts, as opposed to the lies anti-women politicians spread.
You obviously don’t care about the truth at all – so get the fuck out of here, and don’t come back.