Jindal Goes For Broke(n)

You may recall that one of the first reactions by the GOP over this Planned Parenthood video nonsense was Louisiana GOP Gov. Bobby Jindal trying to revive his moribund 2016 presidential run by immediately calling for an investigation into the organization’s clinics in the state.

Well, seeing as how he only until tomorrow to get his terrible numbers high enough to get into the FOX debate in Cleveland this week, he’s now no longer waiting for the results of the investigation.

Today, the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals informed Planned Parenthood it is exercising its right to terminate Planned Parenthood’s Medicaid provider agreement. In recent weeks, multiple videos have surfaced showing Planned Parenthood Federation of America senior personnel and other employees describing how they actively engage in illegal partial birth abortion procedures and conduct these abortions in a manner that leaves body parts intact so that they can later be sold on the open market. Since these videos have surfaced, Governor Jindal has directed DHH to investigate Planned Parenthood’s activities in Louisiana and also sent a letter to both the Louisiana Inspector General and the F.B.I. asking them to assist in the investigation.

According to the Medicaid provider contract between DHH and Planned Parenthood, along with relevant Louisiana law, either party can choose to cancel the contract at will after providing written notice. Governor Jindal and DHH decided to give the required 30-day notice to terminate the Planned Parenthood Medicaid provider contract because Planned Parenthood does not represent the values of the State of Louisiana in regards to respecting human life. Pending the ongoing investigation, DHH reserves the right to amend the cancellation notice and terminate the provider agreement immediately should cause be determined.

As near as I can tell, the figures I can find have about 30% of the state on Medicaid.  You figure half are women (if not more) and with 4.65 million people in the state, that’s roughly 700,000 women on Medicaid for Louisiana.

That’s a lot of women who are no longer able to go to a Planned Parenthood clinic for basic services, because of a questionable video.

But what does Jindal care?  He’s got a debate to get into and one hell of a last-ditch move to get him a few more percentage points, right?






289 replies
  1. 1
    dmsilev says:

    Well, if goosing his poll numbers for Thursday’s debate is his goal, he waited too long. Fox said they’re considering polls whose results are published by 5 PM Eastern tomorrow, which means that any such poll is either done calling people or will be done by tonight.

    That’s putting aside, of course, the non-existent actual justifications for Jindal’s actions.

  2. 2
    stinger says:

    Jindal had better be prepared to offer a lot more gubmint aid to women with dependent children. Low-income women with fewer reproductive-health choices are going to be having more children. All of them on the DOLE!!!11!

    Not to mention the women who will need medical care following self- or back-alley abortion attempts. Maybe he can ban the sale of clothes hangers in Louisiana.

  3. 3
    MattF says:

    Of the Xtian candidates (Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, Cruz), only Cruz is still breathing, and only just. They’re sort of interesting because they’re genuine radicals– none of this ‘Constitutionalist’ or ‘small government’ nonsense.

  4. 4
    Right to Rise says:

    The Great Clearing of the Field begins tomorrow night, starting with the clowns that couldn’t even make the cut.

    Who is conducting the Great Clearing? Jeb Bush.

  5. 5
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @MattF: I think Huckabee’s gonna be on the stage, if that’s what you mean by still breathing. I think Carson has most of the Xianist vote this time, or he’s splitting it with Sheriff Beaufort T Gantry

  6. 6
    Right to Rise says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Huckabee is a tax-raiser. He raised taxes in Arkansas multiple times claiming it was vital o fund school and roads. But Jeb Bush found it can be done not by raising taxes, but by cutting government waste.

    Bush’s “three out, one in” plan will drastically cut the cost of running the federal government. For every three employees that retire or get fired, only one will be brought in to replace him. That means smaller government, and savings to the taxpayer.

  7. 7
    MattR says:

    @Right to Rise: Will that apply to the military as well? Or do they not count as part of the federal government?

  8. 8
    Right to Rise says:

    @MattR:

    I’m talking about the federal bureaucracy not active-duty military. We must have the strongest military in he world. But Jeb does believe we can find economy at the Pentagon, particularly through sub-contracting and the elimination of pork-barrel spending/earmarks.

  9. 9
    Tokyokie says:

    @Right to Rise: Good lord, do you really believe the drivel you’re being paid to post in places like this? Because virtually nobody else at this site does. And if your earning money from the Bush campaign is an example of the sort of wise money management we can expect from a Bush administration, it’s the second best reason after the bastard’s last name to vote for somebody else. Waste, fraud, and abuse in government spending my ass. Cut that out, and Jeb!’s backers don’t get their cut of the action. Wanker.

  10. 10
    jl says:

    I think RtR is a spoof troll.

  11. 11
    MattF says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Tsk. Forgot about Carson.

  12. 12
    Knowbody says:

    That’s a lot of women who are no longer able to go to a Planned Parenthood clinic for basic services, because of a questionable video.

    They can go, just Medicaid won’t pay for it, or they can go to another provider.

    There are only four Planned Parenthood clinics left in the state anyway, and somehow I doubt all seven hundred thousand women on Medicaid got services there in the first place.

    Not only is this too little, too late for Jindal to get any sort of poll bump, but it’s not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

  13. 13
    Eric U. says:

    @jl: it’s actually John Bush himself

  14. 14
    jacel says:

    Does Jindal’s use of the word “illegal” in this announcement open the doors to a defamation suit from Planned Parenthood? Or is there state law that permits the Governor to say any crap he wants to?

  15. 15
    gbear says:

    @Tokyokie: Bush’s dog isn’t as devoted.

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    MattR says:

    @Right to Rise: But how do we know there is not waste in the military like you claim there is in the rest of the federal bureaucracy? Couldn’t we cut the size of our military significantly and still have the strongest military in the world?

    I am all for limiting subcontracting and pork barrel spending but that applies to the military as much, or more, than the rest of the government. And that can be accomplished through a targeted approach not trying to force a one size fits all policy into a wide variety of programs. If that is your top priority, then Bernie Sanders is your guy. Not Jeb Bush.

    @jl: Probably right. My bad but that’s what happens when you blog comment while on a conference call.

  17. 17
    White Trash Liberal says:

    So weird we get a Jeb parody troll but not a Bernie troll or a cuckservative troll like at LGM.

    I guess we get the trolls that the markets demand. And a Jeb troll worked best in the focus group of likely juicers.

  18. 18
    MattF says:

    @jl: Possibly. My theory is that he (she, or it, as the case may be) gets a few cents for every response.

  19. 19
    Zandar says:

    @Knowbody: You’re just as empathetic as I remember you.

  20. 20
    JMG says:

    This has been tried by states before and ruled illegal by federal courts.

  21. 21
    Marc says:

    I guess the Republican party candidates really do have money to burn; apparently they’re now paying people to earnestly post in liberal blog comment sections.

    Given that most of their money comes from billionaires, this is an excellent justification for a stiff inheritance tax and a strongly progressive tax code.

  22. 22
    White Trash Liberal says:

    @Knowbody:

    That’s a whole lot of manderp, troll. Paying for costs out of pocket is punishing. In this case it 100% impacts poor women and children.

    But you’ll grab at any excuse to attack your Jodi Foster.

  23. 23
    Marc says:

    @Zandar: The stalker really doesn’t sleep, does he?

  24. 24
    Hal says:

    Planned Parenthood does not represent the values of the State of Louisiana in regards to respecting human life.

    Bobbie Jindal, full of the jokes.

  25. 25
    Knowbody says:

    @Zandar: and you’re just as bad as I remember you being at using facts. You’d rather go with strawmen, hyperbole, and circular arguments to try to make your points.

  26. 26
    Randy Khan says:

    I’m not sure what is more depressing – the idea that there are people being paid by the likes of the Jeb! campaign to troll sites like this (and so badly) or the idea that there are people trolling sites like this (and so badly) on their own time.

  27. 27
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    When was the last time a GOP general election candidate talked openly about abortion? In my recollection its Reagan, but Bush I is kinda vague. I mostly remember “card-carrying member of the ACLU” and the pledge of allegiance

  28. 28
    Cckids says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Who is conducting the Great Clearing? Jeb Bush.

    You are laugh-out-loud funny. S. Colbert, is that you?

    It’s impossible to imagine Jeb! clearing anything but his throat.

  29. 29
    Citizen Alan says:

    I’m just looking forward to his/her/its reaction on Friday after Jebbie’s poll numbers drop because either he’s not crazy enough for part of the base or he tries to out-crazy Trump and scares away his sane supporters.

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    gbear says:

    @Hal: That’s probably the only honest statement in Jindal’s press release.

  31. 31
    White Trash Liberal says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Bush 1 addressed pro life protesters via loudspeaker when they camped outside the white house and expressed earnest support.

    Lol

  32. 32
    RaflW says:

    I feel bad for the women (and their partners, husbands and families) who will be impacted by this stunt. But I think it is helping to clarify for some voters that in fact, there is a difference between voting for Democrats and Republicans.

    It has been easy for relatively liberal but disengaged voters and potential voters to dismiss progressive claims that the GOP wants to end all access to birth control. It has seemed fanciful in this era where the pill is ubiquitous.

    But Jindal is both a desperate fool and going for broke on a policy position he has wanted all along. It may be a stunt, but it is also approaching the GOP end-game on reproductive health. Let that sink in for our “not a dime of difference” voters.

  33. 33
    Tree With Water says:

    I’ll be happy for Jindal when his presidential hopes die. When he realizes there’s no need for his mother to dress and groom him anymore. It’ll be a banner day in his life. Do you know he’s had the same haircut since he was 8 years old? And the identical sport coat, which he grew out-of-and-into over the years, since he was 10? My guess has him living in some backwoods shack after the misbegotten dream dies, hair down to his knees, munching gator strips and sipping his own moonshine as he watches the sun set over the swamp. He’ll be a better and happier man for it..

  34. 34
    Gin & Tonic says:

    Three fucking threads in a row polluted with this derp.

  35. 35
    goblue72 says:

    At some point Piyush is going to wake up and realize that he’s spent his entire political career as the butt of late night jokes and nothing more. And his parents are STILL going to be disappointed that he didn’t become a doctor.

  36. 36
    goblue72 says:

    @Zandar: Its amazing how big of a cock he manages to be with such a small one.

  37. 37
    goblue72 says:

    @Right to Rise: Whomever programmed this Trollbot, did not do a very good job. Hitchbot did a better job impersonating a human being.

  38. 38
    MattF says:

    @Tree With Water: It’s true that Louisiana politics has a certain “It Came From The Swamp” undercurrent. I was a bit surprised by Jindal at first– he seemed sort of normal. But that was a hasty judgment on my part.

  39. 39
    RaflW says:

    @jl:

    I think RtR is a spoof troll.

    It’s UNLIMITED CORPORATE 2CENTS. I wasn’t sure at first, but the persistent pasting here of the same boring, rote clips from a text document make it pretty clear. Same pattern, same useless drivel and slavish devotion to one particular candidate rather than Republicanism.

    I think whoever upthread said “if this is the best the Bush campaign can do” is spot on. I can even imagine that management reports are going to higher ups @ jeb.-land about the unqualified success of R2Rs ability to engage the masses, get high hit rates, etc. They’ll just elide the mocking and disdain R2R provokes.

  40. 40
    jl says:

    @RaflW: I still think it could be DougJ. People forget that he is out of practice.

  41. 41
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Tierney Sneed ‏@ Tierney_Megan 1h1 hour ago
    None of Louisiana’s Planned Parenthood clinics offer abortions, but Jindal is ending their Medicaid contracts anyway

    @jl: Nah, this one was getting really ugly earlier, I don’t think DougJ would’ve said the things this did

  42. 42
    RaflW says:

    @Marc:

    Given that most of their money comes from billionaires, this is an excellent justification for a stiff inheritance tax and a strongly progressive tax code.

    From your fingers to FSM’s inbox.

  43. 43
    goblue72 says:

    @MattF: Piyush has spent his entire political career assiduously scrubbing away any and all parts of his cultural and ethnic heritage. He’s Uncle Tom’d himself so far that most of his early supporters in the Indian-American community have abandoned him. He’s a servant of the same old white millionaire/billionaire class the rest of the GOP candidates serve.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if his backers refer to him as “Their Coolie” when he’s not in the room. And the last few years, he acts like the kind of hollowed-out guy who knows it.

  44. 44
    RaflW says:

    @Citizen Alan:

    jeb. has sane supporters? Assumes facts not in evidence.

  45. 45
    Right to Rise says:

    @RaflW:

    The goal is to (1) get google hits when Right to Rise is typed in and (2) demonstrate that liberals have little or no response to Jeb’s constructive, reform conservative policies. Also (3) demonstrate that mainstream conservatives by and large support a Jeb candidacy. This is aimed in particular at Millennials who get their news from blogs rather than traditional media.

  46. 46
    CONGRATULATIONS! says:

    If the media in this country wanted to do something that would be both important and interesting, they could do an article on paid political trolling farms, like the one recently reported on in Russia (looks like BiP never got his old job back, so tragic.)

  47. 47
    RaflW says:

    I’m pretty sure the goal is 1) to annoy regular Juicers enough that they go hang out somewhere with smarter trolls and/or 2) to see how good the FPers are at troll-be-gone.

  48. 48
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Irin Carmon ‏@ irin 2h2 hours ago
    Collins says she’s voting against defunding, but “callousness with which Planned Parenthood employees described fetal tissue is appalling.”

    “Senator, you’re comfortable making judgements like this based on video footage everyone acknowledges was heavily and selectively edited?”

  49. 49
    RaflW says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Of course she is. Why understand an issue you can make a snap judgement on.

  50. 50
    burnspbesq says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    “Senator, you’re comfortable making judgements like this based on video footage everyone acknowledges was heavily and selectively edited?”

    Collins? Is that a rhetorical question?

  51. 51
    White Trash Liberal says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Yes, Senator. Next time medical procedure and ttissue donation are discussed, candles must be lit to Our Lady Guadalupe and each time a flame sputters, a prayer must be made for the souls of the departed babbies to Jesusland.

    THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

  52. 52
    SRW1 says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Who is conducting the Great Clearing? Jeb Bush.

    The Bushies are great clearers, ah!

    But is JEB! as good at the ‘Great Clearing’ as big bro was at ‘clearing brush’?

  53. 53
    Sherparick says:

    @Right to Rise: You do know that 42% of Federal Government spending is on Social Security, Medicare, and Retirement; another 16% on Defense; another 5% on interest? Of the remaining 37% most is spent on contracts for goods and services, grants, etc. And who will watch to make sure all this money is sent to the right people and spent as it suppose to be spent? It does appear though that JEB!’s campaign has enough money to pay staffers to troll political web sites with idiotic right wing talking points. There are less Federal civil servants now then there was at the end of the Eisenhower administration in absolute numbers, with a population that has gone from 179 million ot 320 million. Of the 3.7 trillion Federal budget, about 50 billion goes for salaries (General Government figure). http://www.usgovernmentspendin....._pie_chart

    Republicans, lets break Government to show that it does not work.

  54. 54
    Mary G says:

    I’ll never understand Republicans. It amazed me in 2012 when Romney ads showed up all over the most liberal blogs I read. Now this guy already.

    Seriously, are more than just one or two people who frequent Balloon Juice (“a guy” and someone who forgot their reading glasses) ever going to vote for Jeb!? It seems like a freaking waste of money to me. I guess they figure they have so much to spend they have to put it somewhere, plus the campaign people pay themselves a percentage of the pennies they dole out to R2R.

  55. 55
    sigaba says:

    Are there a lot of millennials here? It just seems like a bunch of people born in the Carter administration talking about their dogs.

  56. 56
    Chyron HR says:

    @Sherparick:

    Watch it, intellectuals like you will be the next to go in the Great Clearing.

  57. 57
    PurpleGirl says:

    @Right to Rise: So, you’d eliminate a bunch of airplanes and other machinery that have been found to not work after years of development. Even though Congress throws around contracts to all counties in the States so the Congresscritters can claim they bring jobs to their districts?

  58. 58
    Calouste says:

    @Citizen Alan: I fully expect Jeb! to pull a Perry during the debate. So far in the campaign he has shown himself to be extremely slow on his feet, and even though the moderator’s intention probably is to just allow everybody to spout talking points, I can see Trump taking a stab at Jeb! that he won’t have the agility to react to. Clinton took a stab at Jeb! at the weekend and he couldn’t react to that either.

  59. 59
    goblue72 says:

    @Sherparick: Do not feed Trollbot. Just put Trollbot in the passenger seat and drop Trollbot off at side of highway on Trollbot’s travels to Dollywood.

  60. 60
    Calouste says:

    @sigaba:

    Are there a lot of millennials here? It just seems like a bunch of people born in the Carter Truman administration talking about their dogs.

    FTFY

  61. 61
    Gimlet says:

    OCEANPORT — It was one long happy celebration at Monmouth Park for the great American Pharoah’s latest victory. At least, that is, until Gov. Chris Christie stepped into the Winner’s Circle to present the trophy. — And then, the record crowd of 60,983 booed.

  62. 62
    RaflW says:

    @Mary G: One theory of trolling is that it stinks up the place so much, people who are middling committed wander off since it isn’t as fun as it is with no trolling (or at least decent quality trolling).

    I take it as a vote from jeb. that Balloon Juice has some heft in the progressive sphere that they are (or appear to be) paying for a troll. S/he is certainly crapping up the place in a hurry.

  63. 63
    James E Powell says:

    RtR is apparently plugged into the soul of the nation – Real America – where the great majority of people are yearning for a return to the serial disasters of the Bush years.

    I get the sense, both from Trump the Reality TV Show leading the pack and from the various White Males in Suits being all around the same standing in the polls that the Republicans answering the polls are mostly going by name recognition. Or maybe I’m totally wrong and the majority of Americans really think the third Bush will be the charm?

  64. 64
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @burnspbesq: Yeah, I should be happy she’s gonna vote the right way after spluttering her Mrs Grundyism

    @sigaba: what an odd comment

  65. 65
    sigaba says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Bush’s “three out, one in” plan will drastically cut the cost of running the federal government.

    I think we saw how this worked under Jeb’s brother: We lay off 10 people and replace them with 20 contractors that charge twice as much and accomplish half as much work.

    Also if we were going to save the taxpayer money, I think it’s pretty well established the first thing we could do is hire more IRS agents. The idea that taxpayers spend too much money on certain things is pretty valid, but this seems to elide the fact that bureaucracy is actually cheaper than outsourced government or even federalized, devolved government.

    Arguing about money is always going to be something of a ruse though, that’s why we’re talking about “bureaucrats” and trying to draw a line around the military and old people entitlements. This is about values and goals, not money.

  66. 66
    RaflW says:

    @Calouste:

    I fully expect Jeb! to pull a Perry during the debate.

    But jeb. is getting so much debate practice here. Isn’t that really who RtR is? We’re being (dis)graced by the man himself.

  67. 67
    Gimlet says:

    So “Bobby”, what do you think we should do with “Killer Cops” protected by the local political system?

    “I would hold them as an accomplice. Make them criminally culpable.” Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal told Boston Herald Radio on Monday morning that mayors of sanctuary cities should be arrested.

    “I’d also make them civilly liable so that families, victim’s families could sue. Especially if the prosecutor isn’t taking action or the mayor’s not changing their ways, I’d allow the families to go to court as well to recover damages.”

  68. 68
    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Calouste: I was born during Ike’s administration, and I’m always talking about my cat.

  69. 69
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: Yeah I wish I were born under the Carter admin (LBJ, myself– and no pets at the moment)

  70. 70
    RaflW says:

    @goblue72: More likely the troll will be watching Bollywood. It has an Indian-call-center-script feel too it.

  71. 71
    Ruckus says:

    @Eric U.:
    Nah, too well written. Not well written mind you, just too well for the doofus younger, dumber, brother.

  72. 72
    pacem appellant says:

    @sigaba: I just looked it up, I was born near the start of the Carter administration. Well played! Though I don’t own a dog and I find the pet talk the least interesting part of this blog (but I know I’m in the minority and I’m totally OK with that. Pet lovers gotta love their pets).

  73. 73
    srv says:

    @White Trash Liberal:

    or a cuckservative troll

    A Jeb troll would be a cuckservative troll. Derp. Guy wouldn’t last 5 minutes at a real conservative blog.

  74. 74
    Calouste says:

    @RaflW: Practice doesn’t help if you’re incapable of learning.

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    scav says:

    It would actually take a few rounds of three in one out to wrestle the Repub three-ring circus down to only the traditional three rings.

  76. 76
    Gimlet says:

    Surely Obama can investigate and later have an agent approach Trump while he’s on stage at the televised debate to arrest him for having an illegal alien working at one of his hotels.

  77. 77
    RaflW says:

    @Calouste:
    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Born in the LBJ era (though technically speaking, I was born in a land where a Federal Council is the head of government and head of state. That land however had no interest in claiming me as a citizen).

    Prefer dogs, but live in a pet-free highrise.

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    sigaba says:

    @pacem appellant: For the record I was born the last year of Carter’s presidency and have two dogs.

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    beltane says:

    @RaflW: I am insulted that the Bush III campaign thinks it can get away with sending us a pre-owned troll from the Romney campaign. They think we don’t check the sell-by dates on our trolls? This one smells so bad I’m worried my dog will try to roll around in it.

  80. 80
    RaflW says:

    @beltane: Can it pee on the troll’s leg instead?

  81. 81
    Howard Beale IV says:

    @Gimlet: Trump would have set up so many LLC’s and other shells that it would be nearly umpossible for someone to pull that off. Besides, Thursday is going to be such a cuckserative cavalcade with The Donald controlling the show hell I wouldn’t be surprised if afterwards he doesn’t go nuclear and make an attempt to by News Corporation outright.

  82. 82
    Mike in NC says:

    The competition just needs to step back and let JEB! be JEB!

    More talk about Americans needing to work longer hours, and of phasing out Medicare. Also, too, the wars and recessions his father and brother gifted the country with.

  83. 83
    Ruckus says:

    @beltane:
    No self respecting dog would roll around in that. Dog shit, horse/cow shit, sure. But in that which is our new resident troll? No way.

  84. 84
    JPL says:

    @Mike in NC: I think it is Trump or Walker. Jeb has an edge at this point because of his money, but was the Koch’s step in, that won’t matter.

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    scav says:

    We may have just discovered a whole new form of Astrology. If you were born under Carter, with a rising Reagan and O’Neal in the House, you are caring, somewhat adventurous musically, and probably love pets. Beware of difficult familial conversations this week. Your life partner may require extra cuddles about now.

  86. 86
    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Mike in NC:

    The competition just needs to step back and let JEB! be JEB!

    Exactly. That’s what we used to say about Reagan. “Let Reagan be Reagan.”

    Let ¡Jeb! sit back and share his thoughts and ideas in a nice extended interview. Let us really get to know the man.

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    sharl says:

    @sigaba: Hey now! I was born in the (first) Eisenhower Administration. Dagnabbit…

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    smintheus says:

    I was just looking at Jindal wikipedia page and found, to my utter surprise, that it made no mention of his rejection of Medicaid expansion. That info has now been added (though his busy beavers will probably have it deleted in no time at all).

    I also found nothing about his role in the BP spill.

  89. 89
    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @smintheus: For fun I’ll sometimes check the wikipedia “talk” section of repub politicians. That’s where you see the real arguments between the those who “take out” and those who “put in” information.

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    WereBear says:

    This is literally insane. I’m not using hyperbole. They have crossed the line and then burned it.

    What is he trying for? History’s slowest genocide?

  91. 91

    @sigaba:

    I was born the first year of Nixon’s first term, so I’m firmly Gen X.

    Plus I have three cats and no dogs.

  92. 92
    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): I honestly thought you were older.

    Because of your knowledge of old hollywood. Didn’t know the younger folks cared.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @JMG: Exactly. Planned Parenthood needs to sue. Jindal is just trying to ingratiate himself to the Rightwingers perhaps in hope of being a VP candidate. That’s not even going to work for him.

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    RaflW says:

    re: the OP. I think WaMo’s Kilgore is right when he says about the GOP feeding frenzy, “Think about the trajectory of crazy the Terri Schiavo affair followed, and you’ve got a pretty good indication of how this might develop.”

    I hope he’s right, because that was a stunning own-goal by the GOP (though I surely regret the extra suffering they caused to the Schaivos).

  95. 95
    Emma says:

    @Knowbody: So how many women being sick or dying is “too bad”? Come on, we need a number.

  96. 96
    Patricia Kayden says:

    Good breaking news: Democratic Senators just blocked GOP bill defunding Planned Parenthood.

  97. 97
    David Koch says:

    Piyush Jindal took the oath of office using an alias and not his legal name.

  98. 98
    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Emma: As if knowbody cares about women dying.

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    WereBear says:

    Born under Eisenhower, eclectic musically, four cats.

    Though in times past I had a menagerie: 10-15 cats, 3 dogs, a parrot, a rabbit, and, briefly, a lizard.

    I must have Jupiter in my Pet House.

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    White Trash Liberal says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Fuck yes

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    FlyingToaster says:

    @sigaba: I was born at the tail end of Ike’s administration, and my first federal vote was for not Reagan :)

    RtR may be aimed at millenials, but I think it’s more likely that this is a troll warehouse output, not unlike BillInPortland. Nickel per post; penny per response generated. Talking points are trotted out and the responses used by consultants in their “Democrats in disarray” presentations to their clients.

    Much like RMoney, the current GOP is doubling down on the idea that only white votes matter. Or only old white people’s votes matter.

    Old white women vote too, trolls. And you’re doing dick-all to interest us in any of your fuckwit candidates.

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    @Germy Shoemangler:

    I have two film degrees (critical studies and screenwriting), so I’m all edumacated and stuff. ;-)

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    Cervantes says:

    @David Koch:

    Piyush Jindal took the oath of office using an alias and not his legal name.

    What name do you think LBJ used when he was sworn in on Air Force One on Love Field in November, ’63?

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    Josie says:

    I have you all beat. I was born during FDR’s last term and have two dogs and two cats. So there, too.

    ETA: I have voted democratic in every presidential election since I turned 21.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Calouste:

    I was going to say, Eisenhower, cats.

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    White Trash Liberal says:

    Born during Carter, one cat. I love old movies too. Much muchly.

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    MattF says:

    @RaflW: But Jeb! apparently believes that the Schiavo affair was a win for him, since he’s (voluntarily!) brought it up to support his winger cred.

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    CONGRATULATIONS! says:

    Are there a lot of millennials here? It just seems like a bunch of people born in the Carter administration talking about their dogs.

    @sigaba: No, and most people here are a LOT older than that, including myself. Johnson administration.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @MattF: Not that there’s anything wrong with backwaters. Quite the contrary, in fact. I know, because I live in one, in the hinterlands of in a metropolitan area. “Green Acres is where I want to be, forest living is the life for me..”.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Someday we’ll have to chat about Irving Thalberg.

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    RaflW says:

    @MattF: Well, yeah. Because jeb. has the political instincts of … uhhh … RtR? Bobby Jindal?

    I mean, he’s got the campaign chest, but he’s got damn near nothing happening between the ears.

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    David Koch says:

    Hott off the presses:

    Trump takes commanding lead in new Fox News Poll

    Trump 26
    Bush 15
    Walker 9
    Carson 7
    Cruz 6
    Huckabee 6
    Rubio 5
    Paul 5
    Christie 3
    Kasich 3
    Jindal 1

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    gogol's wife says:

    And the three presidents I’ve seen in person are: Obama, Eisenhower, Hoover.

    ETA: Eisenhower and Hoover were no longer president at the time, and Obama wasn’t president yet, but still.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @David Koch:

    Bush is rising and Walker sinking is the real story to take from that poll.

    Bush has been rising, and rising for a while.

    Walker is sinking like a stone.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @FlyingToaster:

    Talking points are trotted out and the responses used by consultants in their “Democrats in disarray” presentations to their clients.

    My theory is someone bought Bar a laptop for her 90th birthday and showed her how to click “submit comment”
    (Possibly ¡Jeb! himself)

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    Kropadope says:

    I’m a Reagan baby.

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    raven says:

    @Cervantes: fuck lbj

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    gogol's wife says:

    @David Koch:

    UNLIMITED CORPORATE CASH!

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    Lee says:

    In 2008 the Bush administration concluded an investigation the same exact allegations and found they were without merit.

    I don’t have the link as I am on mobile.

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    Hungry Joe says:

    Truman administration here. One dog and we’re now down to one cat (two recent losses), but we plan to beef up the feline roster before too long.

    One small nit to pick: If Jindal wants to go by “Bobby,” shouldn’t we call him that, and just blast him for being a pathetic tool? It reminds me of people calling Obama “Barry” or, for that matter (and in a reverse switch), sportswriters in the ’60s insisting on calling Roberto Clemente “Bobby” even though he wanted to be called Roberto.

    It’s not a big deal, but it makes me … uneasy. Yeah, he’s Indian-American, and has chosen an all-American nickname. So what? I mean, Jimmy Carter’s name is “James.”

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    Yatsuno says:

    Born in 1972, the beginning of the end for ol’ Tricky Dick.

    Poor Piyush. He’s going to be out of a job when his guv term ends and he still has no idea what he’s going to do.

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    RaflW says:

    @David Koch: Good news for John McCain!

    (Oldy but moldy joke, I know, but it seems refreshed with our new troll about)

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    gogol's wife says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    Oh, no, she has an edge on her tongue. Her words are dipped in venom. I’m not getting that from RtR.

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    Right to Rise says:

    Jeb’s path to the nomination:

    . Bush makes the case that mature leadership is not only a requirement for the presidency but also an essential part of electability. Voters won’t entrust the presidency to a not-ready-for-prime-time Republican, no matter who the alternative is… Bush quickly consolidates support from the mainstream GOP primary electorate while a pack of lesser candidates fight over the right-wing base, all the while convincing less conservative voters they are too extreme to win….Bush conveys both determination and thoughtfulness in foreign policy, refusing to accept the characterization that thoughtfulness equates to lack of resoluteness.

    Full steam ahead and onto Cleveland!

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    Cervantes says:

    @raven:

    What’s going on? You’re the last person I expected to hear that from.

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    White Trash Liberal says:

    @David Koch:

    What’s the margin of error? +/- 3 would put all but Trump in a statistical tie.

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    RaflW says:

    @David Koch:

    Graham at 0% has a nice ring to it, as well.

    eta: For that matter, Walker in single digits looks good to this Minnesotan, troll utterances above or not.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Kropadope:

    I’m a Reagan baby.

    Then you’re too young to remember The Time Before Reagan.

    Lots of things changed in this country, starting in 1980.

    Folks in the U.K. can say the same about Thatcher.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @David Koch: it’s a small thing, but I take some small pleasure in knowing Lindsey Graham’s neocon fear-mongering is keeping him at statistical zero. Looking over that list, I think Bush is the most bellicose. Maybe Cruz has rattled his imaginary sabre more, but I don’t pay close attention to him. Apparently I’m not alone

    the thing on Rand Paul’s head is telling him to play the war skeptic today

    he first Republican debate of the 2016 presidential campaign, said Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, will be between him and people who “want to blow up the world.” The showdown Thursday night will pit him against opponents who will “send half a million of your sons and daughters back” to Iraq. He vowed that he will ask his Republican presidential rivals, face to face, whether they “want to always intervene in every civil war around the world.”

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    raven says:

    @Cervantes: Always. I loathe him, it’s personal.

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    RaflW says:

    @gogol’s wife: I believe the only president I’ve seen in person is Ford. And I was little. It was in Vail, and I was cold and bored. My older brother did think it was cool that the Secret Service was on the slopes during the day.

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    jonas says:

    @Right to Rise: Don’t forget foreign aid! That’s like one-third of the budget right there! Good bye deficit!

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    jonas says:

    that’s roughly 700,000 women on Medicaid for Louisiana

    The vast majority of whom are, I would reckon, poor African Americans, so throwing them off the dole is extra fun for GOP base voters.

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    David Koch says:

    @RaflW: that’s the best.

    Graham is on tee vee all the fuck.ing. time. He’s the guest on a sunday show at least 30 times per year.

    He’s on tee vee so much he doesn’t live in an house he lives in a studio.

    And yet with all that exposure during the past 20 years and with all his scum bag red meat demagoguery on BENGAHZ!!I11 he’s at ZERO. Nada. Nothing. Zip. Zilch.

    Which just shows you how tolerant and forward thinking republicans are regarding confirmed bachelors.

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    Francis says:

    JFK (by 3 months).

    Used to be 2 dogs but recently down to 1.

    (I still miss my Misha, my buddy, my big dog.)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Kropadope: I’m a Reagan baby.

    did you get a DNA test? challenge the will?

    (I bet he cut Michael out. If he didn’t, Nancy will.)

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    john fremont says:

    @Right to Rise: We also have some of the safest aviation in the world.So Jeb Bush will put one FAA air traffic controller in when two retire? One flight standards inspector will do the work of three now? One aviation compliance engineer is gonna do the job of three?

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    Chris says:

    @Randy Khan:

    I’m not sure what is more depressing – the idea that there are people being paid by the likes of the Jeb! campaign to troll sites like this (and so badly) or the idea that there are people trolling sites like this (and so badly) on their own time.

    I’ll take # 3, this website’s inexpicable allergy to the concept of troll cleanup.

    @beltane:

    I am insulted that the Bush III campaign thinks it can get away with sending us a pre-owned troll from the Romney campaign.

    Well, here’s another way to look at it: the Bush III campaign is relying on the same people that Romney’s did. That sounds less like a reason to be insulted and more like a reason to reach for the popcorn.

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    eemom says:

    Kennedy here (1962).

    And speaking of we last gasp baby boomers, Happy Birthday to Omnes!

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    RaflW says:

    @Hungry Joe: Thanks for that. I agree, Jindal is an ass, but his name is Bobby. No need to be petty about his given name.

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    Calouste says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Walker said he would start a war with Iran on day 1. Bush could of course beat that for bellicosity if he promises to start a war with Iran and one with a random country of the GOP primary electorate’s choice.

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    Gimlet says:

    @David Koch:

    No Perry, no Santorum {sob}

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    dmsilev says:

    @Right to Rise: Full Cleveland Steamer ahead!

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    Chris says:

    @sigaba:

    Reagan administration. A year and two months later, it would’ve been Bush padre.

    I’ve never known an America without Reaganism. That’s a depressing thought.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Calouste: ah, forgot about that.

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    MattF says:

    @Chris: On the other hand, you missed Nixon. And Kissinger.

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    hedgehog the occasional commenter says:

    @sigaba: Eisenhower (second term), three cats.

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    tybee says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Full steam ahead and onto Cleveland!

    yup, you and jeb are definitely cleveland steamers.

    ETA: damn you dmsilev.

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    Also, too, I think we all know that Jeb! will be the Republican candidate, because the East Coast establishment will not permit another result, particularly a victory by that nouveau riche parvenu Donald Trump.

    But it’s going to be funny as hell watching them scramble and spend their money by the billion so they can pretend there was some kind of democracy involved in the selection.

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    Gimlet says:

    @john fremont:

    Rather than spend the money to update computers, pay etc., I hear the plan is to privatize it and let the airline passengers pay a subsidy for it.

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    RaflW says:

    @jonas:
    Nicely played.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @john fremont:

    No exceptions. Across-the-board “3 out, 1 in”. I’m sure we can find efficiancies in federal departments rendering the other two employees unnecessary. The government is much too bloated.

    We need to look at reforming the benefits federal employees get as well, to put them more in-line with the private sector.

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    Chris says:

    @Calouste:

    Or by starting a war with Iran before Day 1, if he can get his hands on the time machine Obama used to go back and plant his birth certificate.

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    Cervantes says:

    @RaflW:

    I believe the only president I’ve seen in person is Ford. And I was little. It was in Vail, and I was cold and bored.

    Gerald Ford struggled to buy a tiny condo in Vail when he was still a Congressman. To secure the mortgage he handed in his life insurance as collateral.

    Years later, it was he who single-handedly re-wrote the rules to allow himself and future former presidents to become quite wealthy via speaking fees and the like.

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    scav says:

    @RaflW: Closest I ever got was John B Anderson, while campaigning (Westminster, London for some unknown reason). How’s that for minor and only possibly relevant on a technicality? Utterly scrambled the lines, but at least there were an unsual number of variously medieval and Elizabeathan garbed minor dignatories about to ease the wait (for the building, to be utterly clear).

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    eemom says:

    Sure are a lot of young’uns around here.

    I saw Gerald Ford once, in 1987, when I first moved to DC. My parents were taking the shuttle home to NYC after helping me move in, and he was on the same flight. He was a lot taller in person than on teevee.

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    jl says:

    ” This is aimed in particular at Millennials who get their news from blogs rather than traditional media.”

    I still call spoof troll.

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    RaflW says:

    @dmsilev: O.M.G. I am honest to FSM gasping for air that is so awesome.

    Maybe adding the reverse teabag dismount? It seems so apropos.
    (Thanks to teh googlz for adding that bit of new info)

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    Gimlet says:

    @eemom:

    Did he stumble getting off the plane?

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    Cervantes says:

    @eemom:

    Sure are a lot of young’uns around here.

    And it appears no one has taught them they should be seen and not heard!

    (Ever hear that line? Or was it before your time as well?)

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    RaflW says:

    @Wrong to Rise: I’m sure one of your favorite efficiancies is privatized edumacation, amirite?

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    Cervantes says:

    @Hungry Joe:

    One small nit to pick: If Jindal wants to go by “Bobby,” shouldn’t we call him that, and just blast him for being a pathetic tool? […] It’s not a big deal, but it makes me … uneasy. Yeah, he’s Indian-American, and has chosen an all-American nickname. So what? I mean, Jimmy Carter’s name is “James.”

    And yet some people think they make a sharp point calling him Piyush.

    It’s petty, at best.

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Yay!!

    Also, what is RtR talking about that happens tomorrow? Tonight is a dry run for 14 candidates, on CNN; tomorrow the only thing I can find wrt iJEB! is his address to the Southern Baptist Convention. I don’t think that’s going to bother Trump one little bit.

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    David Koch says:

    My nana saw JFK and Sinatra once in California. Said he was gorgeous.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    After seeing everyone’s birth administrations, it turns out people who I thought were old are actually young. And people who I thought were young are actually… older.

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    Chris says:

    @MattF:

    True.

    Politics hasn’t been all bad. For one thing, getting to watch a civil rights movement grow from being a despised and marginalized punching bag to victory in just the decade or so that I’ve been politically aware (in 2004, putting anti gay marriage amendments on ballots was a vote winner that put the wind in Republicans’ sails; come 2015, the Supreme Court had legalized gay marriage in all fifty states).

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    Cervantes says:

    @raven:

    I know — and understand.

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    Gimlet says:

    Delta Airlines will no longer allow certain big game trophies to be hauled on its planes. The announcement Monday came following the roar of protest over the slaughter of an African lion named Cecil.

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    @WereBear: I never really thought about which administration was in the WH when I was born. It was Truman, but because the first president I remember is Eisenhower I just always associated him with my childhood.

    Cats, a dog, chickens, lizards, rabbits, a turtle, a chameleon ( someone’s castoff from the LA Fair), and more cats.

    I don’t think I’ve seen birth year correlated to the presidency in quite this way before.

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    Right to Rise says:

    @RaflW:

    We certainly couldn’t do much worse than our broken public school system.

    Mike Brown’s Normandy School District is one of the worst in the nation. Why not give them vouchers to go to the private or parochial school of their choice ?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Zandar:

    You’re just as empathetic as I remember you.

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    KithKanan says:

    @Calouste:

    Are there a lot of millennials here? It just seems like a bunch of people born in the Carter Truman Wilson administration talking about their dogs.

    FTFY because you forgot Sarah, Proud and Tall

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @sigaba: There’s a management cult of the head count. I don’t think it’s narrowly a Republican thing, either. “Reinventing Government” was heavily into manipulating head count via contractors…

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    them

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    RaflW says:

    @jl:

    I still call spoof troll.

    The full steam ahead comment does earn a big tick in the spoof column.

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    RaflW says:

    @Wrong to Rise: Oh FFS your spelling was the joke. Piss off.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @eemom: Shook JFK’s hand on a rope line at Andrews AFB. He was going to, or coming from, Hyannis on vacation. Or so I’ve been told.

    I was 4, and have no real memory of it.

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    Mike in NC says:

    @jl: The troll links to an article on how JEB! will coast to the nomination, written by none other than Jennifer Rubin, whose track record for getting things right approximates that of Bill Kristol.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    I should clarify: my “1981” was not anything personal; it was a response to what you had said about 1980.

    Also, while I’m at it: I’m sorry to hear you could not find a decent seersucker; it’s one of my favorites, and more so this summer because the name comes from Farsi (for “milk and sugar”).

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    fleeting expletive says:

    I saw LBJ dedicating a dam, also have shaken the hands of Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Edwards and Tom Coburn. He went to my high school. And by accounts of those who knew him then, was an asshole then too.

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    JPL says:

    Before Obama became President, I listened to him speak at GA Tech. My parents had their picture taken with JFK when he visited our hometown as Senator. Teddy spoke at my high school and the girls swooned.

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    RaflW says:

    @Mike in NC: Yeah. I didn’t even click, just saw where it pointed and knew it was Wrong Way Rubin.

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    raven says:

    So I found this little guy wandering down my street in the heat of the day. I was with my contractor and roofer and we were all pretty shocked to see what appeared to be about a 7 year old walking in the middle of the street with a little pack and a bottle of water. I talked to him and he seemed to know what street he lived on so I asked him if we should go find his house? He didn’t know his phone number so I ran through the kids I know about his age and we hit on one that is the son of close friends. I called and they confirmed what house he lived in so we kept walking. Suddenly a teenage boy ran up on us and was obviously frantic. It was his brother and they were playing hide-and-seek when the little guy got away. I was really glad it turned out well and called my friends to let them know. They were relieved and said “he’s a great kind, you should just let it drop”. I’m going to but I’d hate it if the older boy doesn’t tell his folks and they somehow find out.

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    bemused says:

    @stinger:

    That’s what drives me crazy. Usually anti-choicers are just as incensed about people getting food stamps or any kind of welfare. I’d like to ask them why they want more people on welfare that they don’t believe in either. I haven’t had the opportunity to ask this question but I’d like to how they answer that question.

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    JPL says:

    @raven: One of them will tell the parents. I know these things. Good job, btw.

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    shell says:

    and conduct these abortions in a manner that leaves body parts intact so that they can later be sold on the open market

    Is there an email for this organization (Im sure I can find Jindals) to tell them this is a bald-faced lie, and know it. God, this kind of cynical posturing just drives me crazy.

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    @Right to Rise:

    Full steam ahead and onto Cleveland!

    I see what you did there.

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    raven says:

    @JPL: I really hope the older guy does, it will be painful for him but I think it would be for the better in the long run. I see the little dude and his mom at the school gate on our morning walk and I’m afraid he’d say something then.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    Born at end of Eisenhower Administration. I remember watching the 1960 Democratic Convention on TV. (My parents were on vacation and at the resort we were at there wasn’t much to do, and the room the TV was in was cool during the day.) I haven’t had pets but friends who I house/pet sat for had 1 Doberman pinscher, 3, then 4 retired racing greyhounds, 1 cat, 2 parrots (a Gold McCaw and a small green one), 3 ferrets, and an ever changing number of gerbils. (And a nine-room house with a fenced in back-yard.) I claim honorary pet parenthood.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @pacem appellant:

    I was born during the Roosevelt administration. Please don’t ask me which one.*
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .

    *(Eleanor, of course. Always Eleanor.)

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    Patrick says:

    @Right to Rise:

    No exceptions. Across-the-board “3 out, 1 in”. I’m sure we can find efficiancies in federal departments rendering the other two employees unnecessary. The government is much too bloated.

    Not true. You mentioned above that it would not apply to the military.

    And that’s just mind-blowing. Your argument is we need to have the strongest military in the world, thus we can’t make any cuts to the military. So by default, you want the rest of our federal government to be 2nd rate and 3rate compared to other countries.

    By your own admission, spending money on the military equates to a strong military. So therefore, spending money on the rest of federal government should make the rest of the Fed govt better as well.

    I tell you what; when you/Jeb Bush starts the next stupid war, why don’t you selfish people pay for it yourselves????? I worked hard for my money and I would prefer it not be wasted on yet another dumb war.

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    fleeting expletive says:

    I also went to a Hillary event and got my picture taken with her, years ago. The security for the event was immense. There were even dogs inspecting attendees.

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    shell says:

    Okay, I tried to edit my last comment and was told I dont have permission t o do so. What the hell?

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Mnemosyne (tablet): Doesn’t have to be Jebbie. Could be Walker or Kasich. We’ll see. I don’t think it matters if our side comes out to vote like we did twice with President Obama.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Josie:

    I have you beat. I was born during FDR’s third term. No pets at the moment, but I have always had cats, and will again.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @RaflW: I sat through a speech by Hubert H. Humphrey. He was the guest speaker at the IBEW scholarship award breakfast my senior year in HS.

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    JPL says:

    @raven: When my son was 2 and 2/3 yrs. we lost him at the Dallas Fair Grounds. We were with another family and my other son who was four held the hand of my friends child and the three of them went to put our lunch supply in the trash. It was twenty feet away. We were sitting at an esplanade and somehow my little one was confused about the side. It was the longest three hours of my life. Although the gates were locked instantly, the little kid found the car. If you have ever been to Dallas, that is the one place we didn’t look cuz of his age. Since every show was interrupted, someone who parked near us, saw him sitting by the car crying. He still talks about how we lost him and his older brother talks about Ronald McDonald making announcements. It was bad enough, the police officer who he was brought to, cried.
    You did good.

    also… the kid is really good at directions…

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    shell says:

    We certainly couldn’t do much worse than our broken public school system.

    Yawn. For trolls, EVERYTHING thats from the government is ‘broken.’ Post office, public libraries, medicare, social security and on and on and….

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    ThresherK says:

    Well, we got thru the Jeopardy! Tournament of Champions, and therewas a “NYT Politics” category featuring clues with, or about, current Times writers.

    I remember that many of the BJers don’t see Jeopardy! until 7:30, so I won’t spoil it. I will say that it was not pretty.

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    raven says:

    @JPL: Yea, I know I did what needed to be done. Hope the teen does too.

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    @Patricia Kayden:

    I think it will be Jeb! because he’s the establishment candidate. I don’t think it matters who the Republican sacrificial lamb is, though, because he’s going to get trounced by Hillary. :-)

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    Ruckus says:

    @eemom:
    First gasp baby boomer here. First half of the last century, OK barely, Truman admin.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: A lot has changed, indeed. Allowing for exaggeration, “Reagan baby’s” are like the boomers born post Hiroshima. And the republican bastards and their democratic stooges aren’t finished yet, not by a long shot. Give me democrats that welcome their hatred, every time.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Tweety and his guests discussing Hillary’s declining numbers and all the bad press. I’m waiting for one mention of the whole NYT fuck up
    ETA: went to commercial, no mention

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    I have seen Ike (after he was president), JFK (before), Nixon (before), Carter (after, more times than I can count), and Clinton (during his presidency, while he was running for reelection). Have also seen a lot of losing presidential nominees and candidates, VPs, and VP candidates. Between accompanying my mother to ABA conventions and attending more Governors’ conferences than I can count, I racked up quite a list. Not that I would ever want to name-drop.

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    @raven:

    FWIW, having been the youngest myself, both kids will get a lecture — one about keeping a closer eye on his brother, and the other about not wandering away when he’s supposed to be sticking with his brother.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Cervantes:

    I’m guessing VN.

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    Turgidson says:

    It’s amazing that, after all the GOP has put us through in the past 35 years, but especially the last 15 or so, that one of them can still say or do something obnoxious enough to surprise me into muttering “what a dick!” upon reading the lede. But they keep finding ways to pull it off.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    ETA: went to commercial, no mention

    I’m stunned.

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    sukabi says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: so appalling huh…Someone should dig out the actual evidence obtained from the investigation into Abu Ghraib and get their response to that…you want appalling, turning a blind eye to that is appalling.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Patrick:
    I feel the same way about the death penalty. I don’t want to kill people, even if it is not me pulling the lever, but done in my name. I don’t want any more stupid wars either unless there is no alternative at which time the stupid isn’t applicable, except possibly in it’s execution. And there is an alternative for the death penalty, one that works just as well.

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    Cervantes says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I’m guessing VN.

    Yes, you’re right.

    It’s an on-going joke I have with raven: I mention LBJ and he, well, he blesses him.

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    @Cervantes: Nosy question: During which administration were you born?

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Cervantes: He’s the first person I expect to hear it from, so clearly we have different perceptions.

    Also, I’m with Hungry Joe on the Gov. Jindal (and Haley) name issue. They may be stupid assholes (yes) but we diminish ourselves by showing such disrespect. They have as much right to choose the names they wish to use as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Ahmad Rashad, or Yusuf Islam. And at least they Jundal and Haley don’t (to my knowledge) adjust it for audience. Cruz, when writing for Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy used R. Ted Cruz as his author name, yet is listed as editor Rafael E. Cruz at Harvard Latino Law Review.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Maybe Cruz has rattled baconed his imaginary sabre actual machine gun more.

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    Chris says:

    Met Bill Clinton and shook his hand when I was eleven years old with a broken leg… which allowed him to sign my cast. Still have the cast.

    Been in the same room as Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in the 2008 campaign, but didn’t meet either of them.

    Never met a Republican President, no interest in doing so.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Patricia Kayden:
    Wrong. It always matters that citizens participate in a democracy. When we don’t we get exactly what we have now.

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    Origuy says:

    Eisenhower admin here. Don’t think I was ever close to a President. Saw Bobby Kennedy when he was campaigning for the Indiana primary; he won that one and showed people that he could win anywhere. He was shot a few months later.

    Hey, raven! Did you see this? University of Illinois Named Top Party School We’re Number One!

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    RSA says:

    @sigaba:

    It just seems like a bunch of people born in the Carter administration talking about their dogs.

    Nice job–this is one of the best descriptions I’ve read of BJ. It ought be memorialized somewhere.

    @eemom:

    Kennedy here (1962).

    Same here (1963). Don’t you hate being lumped in with the Boomers? On average, they have more in common with my parents than with me.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    How many threads has this doofus derped up today? I will not stand for it, not on this day.

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    JPL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Earlier during the day, Andrea Mitchell mentioned the bogus report about the emails. Shocking I know.

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    Chris says:

    @Origuy:

    he won that one and showed people that he could win anywhere. He was shot a few months later.

    If I were a conspiracy theorist, I’d say the second sentence was linked to the first.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Cervantes:

    1981.

    Well for me the shitstorm started in 1980, for personal reasons, and also John Lennon being gunned down by a pudgy jesus freak, and then the Reagan revolution.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Chris: Been in the same room as Obama, and very early in the 08 cycle, maybe the fall of ’07, I was checking out of the West Des Moines Sheraton as Romney was arriving for… something in one of the ball rooms, so a we briefly shared a hotel lobby. Ah, and on the other side of a very large restaurant in a ski resort from Jimmy Carter, some time in the late 80s, I think.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @PurpleGirl: The first convention I paid attention to was Chicago 1968, when I was 13 years old. It was a great year for music, and a disastrous, tragic year politically in every sense and meaning.

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    Gimlet says:

    @Ruckus:

    This assumes the elections aren’t rigged.

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    My relatives in Independence, MO drove us past Truman’s house when I was about 8. They were Republicans who expressed grudging admiration for him but there was also the “scandal” that he could sometimes be seen mowing his own lawn, with his shirtsleeves rolled up. Alas, he did not come out to entertain us that day.

    The only president I’ve seen was Nixon, when he arrived by helicopter in my town to attend his aunt’s funeral, and we didn’t actually see him, just his limo as it and its look-alikes drove off into town after traffic was stopped for a half hour while security decided it was safe, after landing a decoy helicopter a few minutes before the one he was on touched down.

    My mother went to a tea in 1960 that Pat Nixon attended, in a very modest little house in the suburbs of Los Angeles. She signed my mom’s name tag, addressing it to me. I still have it around, probably in one of the photo albums.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @JPL: I wonder does Paul Begala still appear on CNN? He always struck me as the best of old Clinton hands, much smarter and better on TV than Carville. They should be putting him out there to push back on stuff like that.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Cervantes: I should have remembered that.

    @Omnes Omnibus: Happy Birthday; may your commas be plentiful.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Eisenhower. Two cats, one pug. Poly household. Movie junkie, sf nrd, a so-so but enthusiastic bassist.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): Thank you. Today I was given cupcakes and a photo.

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Happy birthday!!

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Cervantes:

    Ah, sorry, didn’t mean to step on any jokes or punch lines.

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    JPL says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Cupcakes are good.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    I am being given free wine. LOTS of free wine.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @JPL: No argument here.

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    boatboy_srq says:

    @Hal: While UNplanned parenthood, on the other hand, does.

    /snark

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: You win…. So far. I need to see what my evening holds.

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    Nerull says:

    @Right to Rise: Your boss pays people to make blog posts on sites where no one is going to listen to them. You really think he knows how to save money?

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    raven says:

    @Omnes Omnibus: Happy Birthday LT.

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    @Omnes Omnibus: @SiubhanDuinne: Happy Birthday to both of you! I cannot give you wine or cupcakes only virtual hugs {{{}}}.

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    Nerull says:

    @Right to Rise: I know quite a few people who left the public sector and went to the private sector, and how much more money they make now – so by “more in line” you mean giving government workers significant pay raises, right?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @raven: @schrodinger’s cat: Thanks.

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    raven says:

    The roofers just left. The roof fixed up, the underlayment down and the shingles are in place. They took about a three hour break but it seemed hotter when they went back to work at 5. Guess what? These folks don’t need my advice.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Gimlet:
    It’s even worse if they are. And it’s a big country not all of them will be or are rigged. Your vote still counts. Bottom line, you really don’t give a shit if you don’t vote.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @raven:

    Have you looked at the BJ calendar this month? Raven’s on it.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Hey Happy Birthday. I’d be much happier with free wine than cupcakes, myself.

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    Benw says:

    So a few men make it harder for poor women to get basic health care. Jindal’s loathsome: I wouldn’t cross the street to slap him in the face.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You people are making me feel bad about my cupcakes.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @raven: “These folks don’t need my advice” was put in practiced General Patton. He would tell his officers what he expected accomplished, and left it to them to figure out how. That said, trust but verify remains the wisest thing Ronald Reagan ever counseled..

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    raven says:

    @gogol’s wife: This house is a disaster. We had to box up the kitchen and move it into all the other rooms. We then discovered that the bead board ceiling in the kitchen is salvageable and that meant I had to take all the stuff I had stored behind the walls. I can’t find nuttin!

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    raven says:

    @Tree With Water: Having this big addition built has been humbling. A lot of people busting their asses doing stuff I MIGHT have been able to do (physically) 40 years ago.

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    Ruviana says:

    @goblue72: There was a really funny twitter hashtag called #BobbyJindalissoWhite that was a hoot. Had a lot of really funny Indian American and subcontinental folks poking fun at just how white Bobby was. I hadn’t laughed that much since the #AskRachel hashtag!

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    Pie Happens (opiejeanne) says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: Happy birthday!

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    Tree With Water says:

    @raven: The light dawned on me four years ago. I had hired a younger guy to help me empty and move an entire house, thinking it would be a fifty-fifty effort. 85-15 was more like it, and believe me, I felt properly humbled by father time (that old goat).

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:
    @Ruckus:

    Of course my preference would be both.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): This is a both/and blog.

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    RaflW says:

    @EricBoehlert
    I’m going to type this slowly for everyone at @nytpolitics: Trump now leads Jeb by 24 pts (!!) in SC. Is that more ‘good news’ for Jeb?

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    RaflW says:

    @efgoldman: In my own defense I do tend to mean the jeb. campaign when I say jeb. He isn’t really smart enough to do much without handlers, strategists and consultants.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @efgoldman: The fuckers drove Digby crazy, to the point she shut her comment section down. I don’t think that could happen here, the regular cast being too many, and too savvy.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @sigaba: cosigned

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    stinger says:

    @bemused: I know. Poor people are always in the wrong, one way or another, and apparently should just FOAD. And this from the ones who call themselves “pro-life”.

    (My parents must’ve liked Ike; 2 dogs, 1 cat, if this thread isn’t completely dead yet.)

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    Chris says:

    @efgoldman:

    Voted for Republicans once upon a time (last time in ’72), Saltonstall, Brooke, Sargent, Volpe, people like that.

    I don’t recognize any of these names, so I assume they were all local.

    From what I understand of history, I think that would’ve been me too. There’s a big chunk of time (early thirties through early nineties) during which I already can’t see myself ever voting Republican in presidential elections, but could definitely imagine doing it in state or local elections, especially in the Northeast. Back then there were still places where you could vote Republican as a check on the Democratic Party when it got too corrupt or indifferent, and trust that they weren’t going to use the opportunity to dismantle the safety nets, break the unions, slash revenue, etc.

    Bygone era.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Chris:

    Voted for Republicans once upon a time (last time in ’72), Saltonstall, Brooke, Sargent, Volpe, people like that.

    I don’t recognize any of these names, so I assume they were all local.

    I recognize them all except Sargent. Leverett Saltonstall, Edward Brooke, John Volpe — all distinguished Republicans (MA governors, I think — Brooke was a Senator) who would not begin to recognize their erstwhile party today. I could say the same about some of my fellow Illinoisians, like Sens. Everett Dirksen and Charles Percy. They would be horrified. They would also be Democrats.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Remember, you are in a different time zone.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    Thank you! It has been a lovely day.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    Of course. I know my priorities.

    And thanks for the b’day wishes.

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    Chris says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    The modern GOP has pretty much forced everyone to the left of the John Birch Society into the Democratic Party.

    Happy birthday. Also, too.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: My evening turned out quite nicely. TYVM.

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    Cervantes says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q):

    He’s the first person I expect to hear it from, so clearly we have different perceptions.

    Not exactly different. See here.

    Also, I’m with Hungry Joe on the Gov. Jindal (and Haley) name issue. They may be stupid assholes (yes) but we diminish ourselves by showing such disrespect.

    Yes.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Happy birthday — have a great year!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cervantes: Thank you. BTW, I received a copy of the new translation of the your namesake’s masterpiece as a gift.

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    Cervantes says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    I recognize them all except Sargent.

    Progressive Republican. He served a bit more than a term as governor of Massachusetts.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    “The new translation”?

    The newest one I know of is into Quechua:

    Huh k’iti, La Mancha llahta sutiyuhpin, mana yuyarina markapi […]

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Cervantes: The Edith Grossman, the other would do me little good.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Enjoy it in good health.

    She did a great job, as she always does.

    As a first-time reader, you’re in for a treat (if I do say so myself).

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    mak says:

    @Right to Rise: This is that “guerilla marketing strategy targeted toward millenials,” amirite?

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    equs_1776 says:

    End of Turman, I remember Ike as a nice grandpa. Interesting presidency actually, called out the Aorborne on the Rebs in Little Rock.

    ‘Three and out?’ Sounds like my last two jobs, immed prior to being offshored. Hmmmm

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    swkellogg says:

    @Right to Rise: Yes, but what about the punitive damages?

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