Steve M digs up an interesting fact from the recent WaPo-ABC poll in which Trump leads the Republican field by eleven points: Trump polls at 32% among voters with no college degree, and only 8% among voters with a college degree.
That’s quite a split. It’s worth noting that Republicans who consider themselves Tea Party members are more likely to have gone to college than other Republicans.
mtiffany
Had my undivided attention until I spotted that second r.
debbie
A lot of Tea Partiers are offended by many of Trump’s earlier stances, such as this:
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/01/donald-trump-outs-himself-liberal
No matter what he says now, to them, he can’t be trusted.
FridayNext
@mtiffany:
Well, but then it would have been just “yeas.” That’s cool I guess.
Kay
This is bizzare (if true, as they say). It’s yesterday, well last night:
http://www.plunderbund.com/2015/07/21/john-kasich-bans-osu-students-from-his-presidential-announcement-at-osu/
boatboy_srq
@Kay: “Kasich For An America That Doesn’t Include You”, huh?
big ole hound
How can John Stewart retire amidst all this wonderful stuff? I hope it reaches a fever pitch by the time Colbert comes back.
Frankensteinbeck
Tea Partiers are by no means the only nutso conservative Republicans. I’m not surprised they don’t especially like Trump. He’s not religious enough for them. The biggest split in the Republican Party are bigots who claim their desire to hurt blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, women, etc. is due to their being good Christians, and bigots who claim their desire to hurt blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, women, etc. is due to a desire for everything to be ‘fair’ for the ‘deserving’.
Bill
Trump appeals to a dumb person’s idea of “common sense”
Kay
@boatboy_srq:
Isn’t it weird though? Invite them then uninvite them? I don’t know- does he own Ohio State? Probably! He probably sold it and we just didn’t see title change hands.
MattF
I think there’s a significant division among the R candidates between those that have an identifiable constituency (outside the RNC and the Village) and those that don’t. Evidently, Trump has one.
big ole hound
@Kay: So half of his supporters will not be allowed to the announcement. The echos will be fantastic in an empty building.
boatboy_srq
Interesting item Kilgore at WM picked up: the same poll says a majority of the Republicans polled thinks Trump doesn’t represent the party’s “core values.” Funny, from here it looks like Trump represents them very well: he’s just more honest about those values and doesn’t couch his discussion of them in polite dogwhistle. Perhaps it’s not Trump that they’re uncomfortable with?
Cermet
I just hope Trump only continues to gain momentum and increases his poll numbers. That should be a demorat’s greatest dream, as well.
raven
@Kay: rat fuck
JPL
@Kay: How to win friends and influence people.
dmsilev
Since it’s only two weeks until the first debate, pretty much all of the polls from now on will count for determining whether someone makes the debate threshold. In other words, Trump basically has qualified for the debate even if he falls below the Lindsey Graham Line by Friday.
MattF
@boatboy_srq: KInd of a reverse Bradley effect– they say they won’t vote for him, and then they do.
Josie
I just want him to poll well enough to make it into that first debate. It should be excellent television and a gold mine for anyone planning advertisements for Hillary’s campaign.
Mustang Bobby
@boatboy_srq:
I prefer to think of it as adult-onset Tourette’s syndrome.
JMG
Trump is the summer of ’15’s equivalent of shark attacks or missing white women. In fact, a shark attack got as much coverage as his remarks on McCain last weekend. He is the media’s effort to drum up eyeballs when people would rather be outside enjoying themselves. When fall comes, Trump will be dumped by his media summer romance in short order so that the village can focus on “serious” Republicans to preserve the fiction the GOP isn’t stone insane.
Kay
@raven:
You think so? I’m hopeful then! :)
Yesterday his campaign was bragging that everyone wanted to go- it was just overhwhelming how many people want to hear him stumble thru some mush about how compassionate he is.
Redshift
@Kay: It is weird, but not that weird. I’d guess that they were initially invited to make sure the room was full for the TV cameras, and once they had enough requests for tickets from actual supporters that they weren’t worried about that, they dumped them.
The post doesn’t say if the students requested the tickets initially (which would disprove my theory) or if they responded to some kind of blanket offer.
boatboy_srq
@Kay: One wonders what will be done with the seats: perhaps auctioned off to campaign donors? Do we know what the criteria were for the disinvitations – maybe less-than-orthodox Rethuglicanism, perhaps?
Kay
@JPL:
I don’t think he’s Kasich for America though, so raven might be right and some anti-Kasich faction are sending emails. Kasich For America sounds made-up to me- I haven’t heard it anyway. If so yay for them! :)
Joel
If the trolls at the bottom of the Republican Party eat the Tea Party, I wouldn’t bat an eyelash.
debbie
@Kay:
People show you who they are. Shame on those who don’t take notice.
boatboy_srq
@Redshift: That looks like sacrificing future voters to get current-cycle votes. NOT an especially smart strategy. But very Rethuglican.
MattF
@Redshift: Also, students aren’t likely to make significant $$$ contributions. If they can get People With Money into those seats, they’ll do it.
Redshift
@Kay: I was wondering who would bother, considering his chances, but then I remembered that wingnuts don’t think he’s pure enough…
mai naem mobile
I am thinking they all attended Regent University and Liberty University.
debbie
@Kay:
Kasich’s campaign is actually named, “New Day for America.”
grrljock
Love the Indigo Girls reference! Closer to fine indeed.
Kay
@debbie:
Gross name, but it probably is a ratfuck then. I love how egotistical his narrative about the state is- we were all stumbling around in the dark, leaderless, no direction, then he showed up and graciously agreed to lead us to the promised land. I was almost mad when the economy started to take off because I knew he would take credit for it.
boatboy_srq
@debbie: Which only makes my interpretation here worse when the campaign’s name gets corrected.
Punchy
I’m waiting for the rest of the GOP to realize that their only prayer in moving the poll numbers is to go Trump-lite. As which time they’ll start the demonization of Mexys, SCOTUS, gays, and Tom Brady.
schrodinger's cat
@Frankensteinbeck: Are you sure that the two groups are mutually exclusive? I suspect a huge overlap.
Amir Khalid
@Redshift:
Revoking tickets already issued without giving a reason seems almost calculated to piss people off. I understand that John Kasich is a hot-tempered, quarrelsome sort who’s had disagreements even with his own party. Could he be angry at someone or some group of the student body? Did he maybe hear that some students were planning a protest?
catclub
@Kay: Maybe it is a ruse to fill the auditorium with people who normally would not have come at all. What better way to make something attractive than to tell you you cannot have it.
boatboy_srq
@Mustang Bobby: The one obvious difference between Trump and the rest of the candidates is that he never mastered the art of using otherwise-innocuous words to describe hateful things. The others say things that are just as ugly; they just use innocuous words and phrases as Atwater advised them to. Trump uses plain language. Not Tourette’s so much as something between untutored and crass. It’s like he’s fed up with the party namby-pambying around the issues. I for one applaud that wholeheartedly: it’s well past time the mask was torn from the GOTea platform, and Trump seems like the guy to do that. It won’t win him the election, but that’s as it should be; and it’ll call out all the other pols who think that hate and bigotry and mean-spiritedness are marketable if they’re camouflaged by polite weaselspeak.
debbie
@Kay:
Yes, and all by himself, that nasty Ted Strickland cost Ohio 8,000,000 jobs!
@boatboy_srq:
If campaigns had subtitles, Kasich’s would be something like, “Here’s your second chance to get on the bus and not get run over…again.”
rikyrah
@Kay:
Don’t understand it, Kay. What’s the reason?
catclub
@Josie:
How Fox responds to Trump will be a key barometer. So far, they have been giving him extra extra coverage. If that keeps up, he is definitely in.
schrodinger's cat
@catclub: He is good for their bottom line. Trump is the Reality TV version of politics.
Frank Wilhoit
@boatboy_srq:
“Trump uses plain^H^H^H^H^Hungrammatical language.” There, I fixed it for you. His sentences don’t parse, but they are nonetheless evocative and unambiguous. This is a whole trope of its own that deserves specific study.
To your other point, surely by now you have spotted the difference between “issues” and primal screams?
Comrade Dread
So Donald Trump speaks for the GOP, but the college educated ones are smart enough to recognize that having an open brutally honest spokesman for their party’s raging Id is not a good thing.
Hildebrand
The wing-nuts in my family are steadfastly ignoring the Donald – their outrage du jour is that Obama has not ordered the flags to half staff on behalf of those ‘Murican heroes mercilessly slaughtered by the dreaded infidel in Chattanooga.
japa21
@boatboy_srq: Well, there is one of the core values of the GOP that Trump does not represent and that is being circumspect about how you talk about the other core values.
IOW, the GOP values dog whistles but not dog sirens.
rikyrah
This is what I will continue to say.
They have not said that what Trump said was WRONG (until he insulted Country Last).
What they had a problem with is that he’s not talking in Luntz-approved dogwhistles.
Jeffro
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I’m thinking these are some of my fellow Gen Xer/Reagan babies who are embarrassed to call themselves Rs after Dubya screwed everything up. They’ll tell you they’re ‘more Libertarian than anything else, really’. Yeah, right.
Germy Shoemangler
@JMG:
Excellent comment.
Frankensteinbeck
@schrodinger’s cat:
Well, a lot of the Christians also include the ‘fairness’ argument, but for the other side of the party it’s important that they’re not doing this out of religion, because they’re totally not backwards bigots who hate women like that Akin guy. Why, a lot of them are Independents (yeah, right)! They have no problem with blacks, women, gays… they just want a fair playing field. Many, many of them say they’re pro-gun control and pro-choice, but when it comes down to it, they will vote for the hardcore social conservative over the moderate legislator who actually does support gun control, women’s choice, or gay rights.
People are fantastic at claiming they’re not bigots while they exercise their bigotry. Surely you’ve noticed.
@boatboy_srq:
The dog whistles are a core value. To return to the above, the smarter Republicans crave being able to tell themselves they’re not bigots. Assholes want to be praised for being assholes. If you’re too obvious, large portions of the Republican Party want to deny you. See: National journalists.
Mike in NC
So shitbird Kasich now makes it 16 Republican grifters in the race to the bottom? How many more will declare in the next six months?
The Coen brothers need to turn this nonsense into comedy gold.
Germy Shoemangler
@Kay:
If this is ratfucking, where is it coming from? I have to assume somewhere in the GOP. Isn’t this the sort of stuff that Rove used to do?
I’m curious what you all think: Which GOP campaign would do the most ratfucking? Jeb’s people?
cokane
the tea party — college thing is unsurprising. you’ll find whether hard left or hard right, those tend to be more educated. those who are “leaning” or “independent” tend to be lower education
boatboy_srq
@Frank Wilhoit: So, word salad that still speaks to the lizard id in a way the dogwhistle can’t, and primal screams triggered by bigotry and hate. This invalidates an interpretation of Trumpspeak as the GOTea platform stripped of its nice, polite, mealymouthed whitewash how, exactly?
Germy Shoemangler
Sarah Palin: “Both McCain and Trump are heroes”
Frankensteinbeck
@Hildebrand:
A lie, by the way.
catclub
@Germy Shoemangler:
great question! There are so many possibilities. Jeb is the obvious answer due to long history, but Walker is known for criminality that he (but not his employees) gets away with. Rubio? Sure, why not. Ted Cruz? In a heartbeat. I would not discount Roger Ailes,
who is a key power in the GOP.
MattF
@Germy Shoemangler: Well, Jeb! is the most directly threatened by Kasich, and the Bush Family has a history.
Gin & Tonic
@MattF: How many OSU students are in Columbus in mid-July?
debbie
@Gin & Tonic:
Summer school’s in session, so there are plenty of students around.
Germy Shoemangler
@MattF:
I can imagine Bar peering at the laptop she got for her 90th birthday, creating a spoof “Kasich for America” site.
Another Holocene Human
@Amir Khalid: Worse, yikyak
boatboy_srq
@Frankensteinbeck: The dogwhistle is a core Teahad value. I’m not so sure it’s a core Republican value. Atwater’s guidance that “n#####, n#####” doesn’t sell with the general electorate anymore, and winning means hiding the intent behind code words, is means to end not end in itself: the racist sexist anti-Otherist policies are still the core, and the language just enables all that racist sexist anti-Otherist policymaking by keeping discussion of the process polite.
boatboy_srq
@Comrade Dread: Prezactly.
Felonius Monk
I read the NYT article that DougJ linked to above. If the people interviewed are an examples of highly educated people, we really are in trouble.They all should demand refunds from whatever educational institution they attended because their critical reasoning skills are bupkis.
Davis X. Machina
@Kay: It’s a damn small rat….
Amir Khalid
The Daily Beast’s Ron Christie makes The Case for President John Kasich. It’s more a character reference than anything else — Christie used to work for Kasich.
Calouste
@Felonius Monk: A decent chunk of “college” educated Republicans have degrees from Regency, Liberty U and other indoctrination mills. Critical reasoning skills are not on the curriculum there.
cokane
@Calouste: Not really. In grand scheme of a country of 330 million+ , no, not that many are from there. overwhelming majority of Repubs were educated at similar places as the rest of us. I mean sheesh, Liberty U has a campus pop of below 15,000. Most of the big state schools are 30,000+ and there are so many more. These con-U’s are such a small, irrelevant sliver of the overall R pop
catclub
@cokane: No. I agree with Calouste. When the Justice department was being infested during the Bush admin – it was Regency and Liberty that had highly disproportionate representation. And that is new.
Paul in KY
@Germy Shoemangler: She’d have one of her minions do it.
Ruckus
@Kay:
How did someone get the emails for the college students who had tickets? Or did someone sent emails to all OH state students, and if so where did they get the emails?
What I’m asking is, if this is a ratfuck then it sounds like an inside one. And if it isn’t a ratfuck, it sure does sound like something a republican candidate would do, even if it wasn’t his staff.
Ruckus
@Calouste:
I think specifically not on the curriculum there.