Marriage: a sacred bond between one wing nut and one gun –> https://t.co/x0dT7IToJp
— Billmon (@billmon1) June 30, 2015
Conservative media say marriage equality creates a constitutional right to concealed carry: http://t.co/KPYelOxgXr pic.twitter.com/t1ygOj0Onb
— Media Matters (@mmfa) June 30, 2015
Because the thought of women touching each other always makes an ammosexual reach for his… Precious. From the MMA post:
… Conservative media and the National Rifle Association (NRA) quickly seized on the [Obergefell v. Hodges] decision to draw a parallel with concealed carry reciprocity, a top federal legislative priority of the NRA. Reciprocity legislation, also known as federally mandated concealed carry, would force states to recognize permits to carry concealed guns issued by other states, regardless of what the issuing state’s standards are for issuing permits.
Reciprocity legislation has been introduced in both chambers of the U.S. Congress, but conservative media and the NRA view Obergefell as an opportunity to argue that the Constitution extends at least some right to reciprocal permit recognition regardless of whether Congress acts. The problem with that argument, however, is that the 2008 landmark Supreme Court case District of Columbia v. Heller limited the scope of the Second Amendment right to gun possession to people’s homes…
Which reminds me, it’s been a while since I recommended Dan Baum’s excellent Gun Guys: A Road Trip. Baum is a committed liberal who also loves guns, and the book is a very enjoyable read. It’d be a great choice for a book chat, if anybody was interested…
Apart from the psychic wounds of the unappeasible, what’s on the agenda for the evening?
Roger Moore
I’m starting to think they need to reserve a space for ammosexuality in DSM-VI.
srv
Judicial innovations have consequences.
gbear
I really can’t think of anything I’d rather not read than a gun buddy road trip. It’s like a synopsis of a book I wouldn’t want to read.
raven
USA v Germany, 7pm.
kindness
The ammosexuals are making liberal’s arguments for them. Let us all hope they don’t prove their point by showing their displeasure of the SCOTUS calls. That even goes for the three confirmed wingnutz sitting on the court. Because karma, you know? Yea.
snetzky
Ammosexuals: can’t get off unless something goes off.
jl
The argument seems like bunk to me, but IANAL. At least they are admitting that they ‘like’ there guns ‘that way’. That is progress.
Anne Laurie
@gbear: But that’s not what Baum writes about! From the Amazon site:
Shakezula
Gives a new twist to the right to arm bears.
WereBear
When all you have is a blunt object, everything looks like a liberal’s head.
Valdivia
@raven: Also Argentina vs Paraguay in semis of the Copa America. I have to figure out how to watch both games :)
Mike J
Republicans have wanted lowest common denominator laws on all sorts of things for a long time. It’s not surprising that guns join banking and consumer protection.
Aleta
@raven: Germany must go.
Elizabelle
They never stop, do they?
Elizabelle
@Aleta: Agreed. And not even a soccer fan; just mad at how they’re pushing Greece around, off the field.
Quite disturbed by all the misreporting on the Greek/euro situation.
jl
@jl:
Sorry for typo
” At least they are admitting that they ‘like’ their guns ‘that way’. That is progress. ”
@Anne Laurie: It might be an interesting read, but how are certain people’s love of guns any different from anything else? Some people are fanatics about horses, dogs, archery, accordions, bagpipes. Cars! How about cars.
I love love love dogs. So, there should be no leash laws.
I’ve loved cars since I was a child, and spend every moment of my free time restoring old cars and I race jalopies at the county fair every weekend. So, there should be no drivers licenses, car registration, or speed limits.
The topic is interesting pop social psychology useful for learning how to communicate and persuade, but I don’t see how it’s relevant at all to deciding on appropriate gun control policy.
Felonius Monk
WARNING — You’re going to need “brain bleach” for this:
Scalia is ‘the Donald Trump of the Supreme Court’
raven
@Valdivia: There is no way to watch it here so I can’t get very excited.
Roger Moore
@jl:
It is bunk. Most obviously, a marriage is an ongoing relationship between two people that is intended to last their entire lifetime, which means it needs to persist even when they travel. There’s no particular reason why a concealed carry permit needs to be permanent or persist when a person travels outside the jurisdiction that issued it.
Keith G
@Anne Laurie:
No, no. Mustn’t have that.
Valdivia
@raven: I might just watch one half of each. Paraguay played an amazing game against Brazil and Argentina never looked on against Colombia so I expect a good game.
The Copa game might be streaming online if you want to divide your futbol watching.
Shakezula
Except NRA pal Teddy Crud says the ruling only applies in the states involved in the case.
raven
@Valdivia: Nope, you have to have a cable system that has that goofy ass network it is on. I haz tried.
Keith G
@raven:
CNN?
Valdivia
@raven: I haz a sorry for you :(
It is in a weird ass network which I only discovered I had a couple of months ago. They do have tons of futbol though, so there’s that!
@Keith G: lol, it’s actually called BeIn sports or something like that.
David Koch
World Cup – The Final Four
begins in 60 minutes (Fox)
Tonights line-up: Solo; Klingenberg, Johnston, Sauerbrunn, Krieger; Holiday, Brian, Lloyd, Heath; Morgan, Rapinoe.
Valdivia
This is great news, then probably the Iran deal coming too soemtime next week. What a summer.
jl
@Roger Moore: Well, maybe if you really ‘like’ your gun ‘that way’, you need intimacy with it wherever you go?
And to clarify my previous comment, dogs and cars are just examples, I like dogs, but don’t ‘love love love; them. And cars for me are just utilitarian objects. I have no appreciation atll for automotive beauty (sorry, I was born that way), I spent do much damn time fixing broken down implements on the farm growing up that don’t fix one g-damn mechanical thing anymore, out of principle, and racing a car is one of the last things I would ever do voluntarily.
KG
@Roger Moore: in some cases, out of state marriages may be void – this usually involves cousin marriages or where one party had not reached the age of consent. i can’t think of a way that full faith and credit can be applied to gun permits. perhaps its similar to drivers licenses – having a California license allows me to drive in any of the 50 states (but i can’t get a drivers license in a state where i am not a resident, and if i change my residency, i am supposed to get a license from my new state). however, my California law license does not allow me to practice law in another state (with the exception of in house counsel gigs). i find it hard to believe that the courts would determine that reciprocity should apply in the case of a concealed carry permit, but you never know.
Tommy
Who are these folks that want to carry a gun in public? I’ve said it here many times, I live in a rural area where most people have guns. I have not seen a single person open carry a gun in public.
I think most think like my dad. He went to military high school. Worked for the DoD for 30+ years. He knows how guns work. He will openly tell you if a mass shooter opened fire a citizen is not going to stop them. He’d run or duck for cover.
My father isn’t a wimp, but he is rational. His worse fear is he’d harm somebody else and not the shooter.
J.A.F. Rusty Shackleford
@raven: Actually, BeIn tv bought Current to get access to the cable systems current was on. BeIn is old Al Jazeera America.
ranchandsyrup
gonna admit to my FB feed that i sneak into ppl’s homes, take out their guns, and make the guns kiss while I softly make the kissy noises. so basically using other ppl’s content to troll.
David Koch
@Valdivia: he sold us out. worst than bush. bush’s 3rd term.
Baud
The wingnut commitment to states rights knows no bounds.
I encourage pro-choice states to start issuing abortion permits so doctors in anti-choice states don’t have to worry about red states trying to regulate them out of existence.
gogol's wife
@Felonius Monk:
Love it!
Baud
@Valdivia: Nice.
gogol's wife
@David Koch:
My husband and I had a great conversation with an African-American woman cashier at our Stop & Shop the other day. I can’t remember what prompted it, but she started talking about Obama, saying, “People were starting to lose faith” (for some reason she thought people blamed him for the Charleston massacre and the Dannemora prison break). We said, “We love him! He’s the greatest!” She seemed surprised.
Pogonip
Is the date of Tama chan’s deification going to become a Juiceist holiday?
Other options:
–Thurston’s birthday
–Tunch’s birthday
–Cole’s soberfication date
–The date the Furminator first went on the market
–The date Cole had gone 30 days without a strange accident–oh, wait, that one hasn’t occurred yet
Valdivia
@Baud:
Most excellent notion.
David Koch
@gogol’s wife: she must get her news from the fever swamps.
Today’s CNN poll on job approval: 50-47 on race relations 55-42.
in comparison, Bush was at 26-66 at same point of his term.
John Revolta
Yada yada Greece. Puerto Rico wants to write off $72 billion in debts- mostly to us. Makes Detroit look like pikers. Why aren’t we talking about this?
Tommy
@gogol’s wife: I mentioned in another comment I was out at a local bar. Struck up a conversation with a Hispanic American. He works 9-5 building locomotives. Then drives 60 miles one way to work at his parents Mexican place they just opened in my town. Fuck Trump. That is commitment to a work ethic I so welcome. We should want more of this!
gogol's wife
@David Koch:
I feel like wearing my Obama T-shirt everywhere.
Roger Moore
@Tommy:
No thank you!
gogol's wife
@Tommy:
We were discussing the other day how much we would love to send Mr. Trump as an immigrant to some other place.
trollhattan
@raven:
My cable system carries it (Fox Soccer Channel) but it’s greyed out so evidently not part of our package.
S’okay, want to watch our gals tonight anyway. Have received promises from the home crew that we’ll time-delay so dad can watch from the beginning with NO SPOILERS. And beer. Because it’s 108.
Whoever advances wins the Cup.
Brachiator
I’ve got this thing for how people integrate tech into their lives (and am surprised at how crappy the GOP is at adapting new tech). But loved this little thing that confirms what I’ve seen, how social media can put a serious hurt on bad movies….
http://www.thewrap.com/ted-2-struck-by-lightning-fast-negative-social-buzz-at-box-office/
Valdivia
@gogol’s wife: I might have to take mine out and do the same :)
trollhattan
@gogol’s wife:
Have they ever sold one that reads “Hopey-Changey Super-Duper!”? Because I’d buy that.
Brachiator
@gogol’s wife:
The Armenian American operator of the food truck that visits our office building always says, “Obama! I love that guy. He’s my president.” He loves defending Obama when talking to right wing guys he runs into along his route.
A guy
Thank god all this happened when Obama was for gay marriage as opposed to th myriad times he was against it. Hillary too. At least there’s consistency on the other side
WereBear
I love that! Because they aren’t going to boycott him, are they?
Baud
@A guy:
Absolutely! I don’t often get a chance to agree with trolls, but I agree with you that the GOP will never change.
Brachiator
@WereBear:
One guy tried. My guy told him, “Good luck getting someone else to come out to you.”
White Trash Liberal
@A guy:
Oh consistency! Thank God for that. The straight shooting decider macho alpha beer buddy archetype is exactly what this country needs.
Bush/Cheney 2016: at least they’re consistent
A guy
You folks are weak! Be consistent about any opinion and u get respect. Obama and Hillary were against gay marriage. They are both liars
Tenar Darell
@gogol’s wife: I still agree with y’all here(?) who said that Trump should really never eat in a restaurant again, because he otherwise he was going to have spit in his food. Well, actually I think that likely has happened already. Man doesn’t know when to stop talking. If he is ever deposed, or takes the stand for his “suits” against Univision or NBC, he’s going to give his lawyers conniptions.
Tenar Darell
@John Revolta: There’s a little teeny tiny subconscious violin playing in my head about this. Because if Puerto Rico was a State, wouldn’t they have to balance their budget like most States do? (ignore for now how States raid their pensions and break unions etc.) Because it is a Territory, don’ t different rules apply?
Adam L Silverman
I highly recommend this essay/thematic book review by Garry Willis in regards to the 2nd Amendment:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1995/sep/21/to-keep-and-bear-arms/?page=1
As well as Adam Winkler’s book on the topic:
http://www.amazon.com/Gunfight-Battle-Over-Right-America/dp/0393345831
weaselone
@A guy:
America as a whole was also against gay marriage until recently. Were all those people who were once opposed lying, or is it possible that they changed their minds much as Clinton and Obama did?
Being consistently wrong is hardly a virtue. That so many Americans think as you do is probably why the US has continues so many crappy polices well beyond the point of reason and certainly why David Brooks still has a job.
A guy
Weasel. They weren’t running for office . Hilary is. Irrespective of what the rest of Americas position is on state sponsored marriage, she is a liar
Brachiator
@A guy:
Do I contradict myself? Very well then, I contradict myself.
–Walt Muthafucking Whitman
serge
Why, why, why, WHY is Meghan McArgle-Bargle showing up on MSNBC?
John Revolta
@Tenar Darell: @Tenar Darell: Well PR did vote to become a state in 2012. Apparently the ball is in our court now and Congress is supposed to be looking into it. FWIW.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@A guy:
I realize that conservatives think it’s a virtue to believe the same thing on Wednesday that they believed on Monday, regardless of what happened Tuesday, but normal people think you should change your mind based on the evidence and not cling to discredited positions just to maintain “consistency.”
I’m assuming that you refuse to buy any computer device with more than 256K of RAM in it since the expert opinion in 1982 was that no one could possible need more than that.
J R in WV
@A guy:
While you are a Republican; there is no lower state for you to aspire to.
Kochsucker, also too! When you die you will learn the difference between the Clintons and liars.
Uncle Cosmo
@A guy: You should apply for this year’s Darwin Awards. Meeting the qualifications is your best (hell, probably your only) shot at making the world a better place.
Alex
That photo is of my friends Lisa and Beth. They got married last spring when it was briefly legal in Michigan. As Quaker grandmas, they illustrate exactly how threatening same sex marriage is. Everyone must be armed to repel the Quaker grandma threat!