Open Thread: Good News for John McCain the Klown Kar Kavalcade!


Daniel Drezner, tongue so firmly in cheek as to protrude from the vulgar bodily orifice, #slatepitches to the Washington Post as to “Why Donald Trump will be good for the Republicans in 2016“:

… The bipartisan take on Trump’s announcement is that his candidacy will not be good for the GOP. Conservative outlet after conservative outlet has already gone after Trump for bringing his next-level buffoonery to the GOP stage…

Trump can only crowd out one of these candidates (unless Trump’s ego and hair are filing separately with the FEC). Also, it’s hard to see how Trump is any less experienced at politics than, say, Ben Carson, who will also be displacing one of those more experienced candidates. So let’s not exaggerate Trump’s displacement effect…

Trump makes real politicians look better by comparison — even Ted Cruz is an actual seasoned politician compared to Trump. Politics is a skill, and on a debate stage with people who have done this for a living, Trump will likely do about as well as Ross Perot did debating NAFTA. And the people watching these debates will think to themselves, “I’m not sure how I feel about Bush/Rubio/Walker/Paul, but I feel a damn sight better about them than Trump.”

… And since Trump is so widely disliked by so many GOP voters, other more viable candidates will have a real incentive to lay waste to him. Indeed, eviscerating Trump on the debate stage could be a way for a Cruz or a Paul or Christie or a Perry to stand out. This will be much more interesting and than watching everyone argue over who is the true conservative in the race.

Would the GOP be better off if Donald Trump decided to become apolitical? Sure, probably. But since he has decided to be a political actor, it’s better for the Republicans that he be inside the tent — and get destroyed — than act like a kingmaker looking in from outside the tent.

Of course, there’s at least one Repub candidate who’s not real happy about The Donald’s timing…

And another public figure, predictably irked:

94 replies
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    srv says:

    You people should be paying $50 to cheer for Trump.

    Someone needs to bring gravitas and dignity to the GOP primaries.

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    Linnaeus says:

    Trump has entered the realm of the hyperreal.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @efgoldman: The ‘possum would be a better candidate – lots of teeth and a prehensile tail, what’s not to like?

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    mdblanche says:

    Is “#slatepitch” the only word whose correct spelling includes a hash-tag?

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    gelfling545 says:

    I find it hard to believe that Trump ever listened to Rockin’ in the Free World. Probably he read the title & thought it was just the thing. It’s like the people who keep mistaking Fortunate Son for a great pro-military anthem.

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    Brachiator says:

    People, people. You got a klown kar. It’s only natural that the rest of the circus rolls into town with it. And you can’t have a good carny without barkers.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @gelfling545: I know some solid Republicans who like Billy Bragg. People don’t listen to the words.

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    srv says:

    Yesterday, Donald Trump declared his candidacy for President of the United States of America. Immediately following his historic announcement, Mr. Trump was the most searched Republican Presidential candidate in every state in the country. 3.4 million Facebook users in the US generated 6.4 million interactions regarding the launch of his campaign, the highest by far, among all 2016 GOP candidates.

    This man will upend and disrupt the field of RINOs. A man who can get in front of a camera without a teleprompter.

    Even Rush agrees:

    RUSH: This is gonna resonate with a lot of people, I guarantee you, and the Drive-Bys are gonna pooh-pooh it. They’re gonna relegate it to the carnival characteristics of the campaign and so forth, but it’s gonna resonate, just like Perot did. Do not misunderstand this. It is gonna resonate with a lot of, as you hear more of this

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    These are people who see the title “Carefully Taught” and think it’s about home schooling.

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    @gelfling545: or Born in the USA for a pro-America song.

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    @efgoldman: musta been yesterday :P

    Great minds and all!

    In the gaymer fora we call it being ninja’d, I think others do as well

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    Heliopause says:

    Trump is just doing for the US Presidential process what Colbert did for the PACs. If only a few more of our billionaires had a complete lack of self-awareness, this might be a better world.

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    geg6 says:

    I have been in a state of glee ever since the short fingered vulgarian threw his hat in the ring. But it also makes me feel like a very bad person, somehow. Liberal guilt, I guess.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    trump: I’ll say China.. you’re FIRED!! [debate crowd cheers]
    jeb, trying to yell over crowd: that doesn’t make sense [crowd cheers louder]

    Makes every bit as much sense as invading Iraq to avenge 9/11.

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    Valdivia says:

    That has to be the slate pitch to end them all.

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    PhilbertDesanex says:

    Hopefully he will play in large football stadiums where he will have to pay more, and to the homeless living nearby.
    Stimulus and all that.

    Also re
    “Trump will likely do about as well as Ross Perot did debating NAFTA”

    for all else Perot did/said wrong, ‘giant sucking sounds’ rings quite true for many these days….

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    sad says:

    Only 50 bucks.
    Billionairs are assholes.

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    @srv: Jesus, I don’t ever wanna be the guy who agrees with Limbaugh, but here, he’s right. A not-minute portion of the GOP populace is going to eat this guy’s shtick up.

    I’m guessing at least 27% GOP primary voters, more or less. What’s 27% of 27%?

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    Tommy says:

    @geg6: Libral guilt. I so see that.

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    NotMax says:

    The one thing that would most vex and anger Trump is to ignore him.

    How about it?

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    JCJ says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    i would vote for any candidate with a prehensile tail.

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    @JCJ: Hillary’s October Surprise is telling you why she always wears pantsuits.

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    MikeBoyScout says:

    re: Neil Young
    Below I”ve posted Mr. Young’s facebook post.
    Neil is an acquired taste in music. Those that like it, love it. Others …. not so much.
    Regardless, the man has demonstrated an integrity over 50 years that few (artist, musician or other) have ever shown. The post below demonstrates it yet again.

    ps. He’s lived and worked (for) in the USofA while all the while representing Canadian clairvoyance. BRAVO!

    Yesterday my song “Rockin in the Free World” was used in a announcement for a U.S. presidential candidate without my permission.

    A picture of me with this candidate was also circulated in conjunction with this announcement but It was a photograph taken during a meeting when I was trying to raise funds for Pono, my online high resolution music service.

    Music is a universal language. so I am glad that so many people with varying beliefs get enjoyment from my music, even if they don’t share my beliefs.

    But had I been asked to allow my music to be used for a candidate – I would have said no.

    I am Canadian and I don’t vote in the United States, but more importantly I don’t like the current political system in the USA and some other countries. Increasingly Democracy has been hijacked by corporate interests. The money needed to run for office, the money spent on lobbying by special interests, the ever increasing economic disparity and the well funded legislative decisions all favor corporate interests over the people’s.

    The Citizens United Supreme Court ruling is proof of this corruption as well as are the proposed trade deals which would further compromise our rights.
    These Corporations were originally created to serve us but if we don’t appropriately prioritize they will destroy us. Corporations don’t have children. They don’t have feelings or soul. They don’t depend on uncontaminated water, clean air or healthy food to survive. They are beholden to one thing – the bottom line.
    I choose to speak Truth to this Economic Power. When I speak out on corporations hurting the common man or the environment or other species, I expect a well financed disinformation campaign to be aimed my way.
    Such is the case with the reaction to my new album The Monsanto Years, which covers many of these issues. I support those bringing these issues to light and those who fight for their rights like Freedom of Choice.
    But Freedom of Choice is meaningless without knowledge.
    Thats why its crucial we all get engaged and get informed.
    That’s why GMO labeling matters. Mothers need to know what they are feeding their children. They need freedom to make educated choices at the market. When the people have voted for labeling, as they have in Vermont, they need our support when they are fighting these corporate interests trying to reverse the laws they have voted for and passed in the democratic process.

    I do not trust self serving misinformation coming from corporations and their media trolls. I do not trust politicians who are taking millions from those corporations either. I trust people. So I make my music for people not for candidates.

    Keep on Rockin in the Free World.
    Neil Young

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    Gene108 says:

    Can’t wait for Trump to join a mega-church to make sure he appeals to the Fundies.

    Per the Prosperity Gospel he is clearly God’s chosen, versus the chump millionaire Republicans running.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @JCJ: That’s exactly my point.

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    JCJ says:

    @Major Major Major Major:

    Hillary’s October Surprise is telling you why she always wears pantsuits

    Well, that seals up my vote!

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    NotMax says:

    Also too, why should we have more than passing, tenuous interest regarding anything animation producer Bob Schooley tweets about politics?

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    srv says:


    I could never have imagined that firing 67 people on national television would actually make me more popular, especially with the younger generation.

    – Donald Trump

    If you have a brain, this man is infectious.

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    NotMax says:


    Oh come now. You really don’t think he of the ingrown ego has peons whose job is to search for his name on the intertubes?

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Close the thread. We have a winner.

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    Mike in NC says:

    Did anybody really think that the people cheering Trump were volunteers? I assumed they all worked in his building and were threatened with termination if they didn’t show up as ordered and pretended to be very enthusiastic.

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    NotMax says:

    @Major Major Major Major

    Or that Bill has agreed to undergo a sex change in order to better fulfill the traditional role of First Lady.

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    Linnaeus says:


    None dare call it terrorism.

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    rikyrah says:

    Church shooting in South Carolina. Maybe up to 8 dead.

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    Valdivia says:

    @kped: That’s just awful. Can’t imagine what the Fox News set will say to excuse it.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Linnaeus: I am willing to call it that.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    @Valdivia: That a white guy was scared. That’s usually good enough.

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    kped says:

    @Valdivia: Probably try to bring it back to black on black crime somehow. I know that O’Reilly certainly won’t add it to his war on Christianity. The people killed weren’t his kind.

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    Mike J says:

    @rikyrah: White guy shot up an AME church.

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    kped says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Lol, wouldn’t be shocked to hear that. He was terrified of all the black people gathered, who can blame him!!

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    That’s because you’re a sensible person who is willing to countenance the idea that some things about our society are troubling.

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    rikyrah says:


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    beth says:

    @Valdivia: Gunned down while sitting in a church, studying the Bible? Clearly evidence of Christian persecution. Blame the godless Kenyan.

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    sharl says:

    @kped: As always, all the early reports on this may be off, possibly WAY off. But yep, early reports are of multiple casualties. Also saw a couple photos on twitter of guy taken into custody, although some say he’s just a local photographer who cops felt was getting in the way. Most preliminary reports are citing a white guy as probable perp, who is not yet in custody.

    To say this church is historic is putting it mildly, according to my twitter feed. Lots of background in the timelines of Laura Seay and Kevin Kruse, for example. And both are bitching about networks (CNN, MSNBC) sticking with coverage of Trump rather than going to this breaking story.

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    Valdivia says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: @kped: Yes the person was scared because of the black on black crime epidemic. Ugh. I hate these people!

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @Linnaeus: I wouldn’t go that far.

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    Linnaeus says:

    @Omnes Omnibus:

    Well, just roll with it anyway.

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    beth says:

    I’m up late waiting for my kid to return home safely from her downtown Charleston job. A few weeks ago we had a gun situation at work where we had to shelter in our offices until the cops could arrest the guy. Can I just say FUCK GUNS!

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    Mike J says:

    One of the founders of the church was Denmark Vesey.

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    Linnaeus says:


    I hope that she is okay.

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    beth says:

    @Linnaeus: Yeah, she’s been texting me. She’s fine. I’m just tired of this shit.

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    Valdivia says:

    @beth: It didn’t occur to me they would blame Obama , but of course they can.

    Hope offspring makes it home ok.

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    sharl says:

    Via Michael Skolnick:

    The Post and Courier ‏@postandcourier 20m 20 minutes ago

    Reports: 8 may have been shot at church on #Calhoun in #CharlestonShooting. Number not confirmed by @CharlestonPD. Residents near shooting told to evacuate

    William Joy ‏@WilliamLive5 20m 20 minutes ago

    Member of the church says bible study with 11 people was going on when shooting happened #chsnews

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    sharl says:

    Several Twitter hash tags are devoted to the Charleston shooting, including #CharlestonShooting

    At least British journalists are interested enough to cover this: Guardian’s live feed.

    And based on what is known, the Chris Rock quote someone tweeted seems apt:

    “I’m not afraid of Al-Qaeda, I’m afraid of Al-Cracka”

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    beth says:

    Great, now a bomb threat has been called in to the church. Streets are blocked off, police are still searching for the suspect and my daughter’s been asked by cops not to leave work yet.

    A local reporter just said that a cop told him that the scene inside the church was “too awful to describe”.

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    Valdivia says:

    @efgoldman: See, you described how I assumed it would go but I think they can be creative. They always are when it comes to Obama.

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    MomSense says:


    This is too awful for words.

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    David Koch says:

    NBC is announcing tomorrow it has reached that expected agreement in which Brian Williams remains at the company but does not return to the anchor chair at NBC Nightly News.

    Nightly News fill-in Lester Holt will be named permanent anchor, making him the first African-American solo anchor of a broadcast network’s evening newscast, informed sources told us once again.

    Thanks Obama

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    ruemara says:

    I have to say a hearty thanks to those of you who helped with the rhino enrichment project. Getting it to 75% was my personal goal. Because when asked to help out with just a few days to go, why not make it a challenge? Someone even did a shout out to BJ in the lab notes. You have no idea how helpful proper animal behavior science is to animals in captivity. It’s not ideal, but it’s a way for them to survive. There’s 27 hours to go in the fund raiser, so if you feel like helping a pair of rhinos get a soccer feeding ball to play with, here ya go.

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    David Koch says:

    @efgoldman: he was part of a 3 member team that rotated (Reynolds, Robinson, Jennings).

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    NotMax says:


    Also vaguely recall someone regularly anchoring the CBS evening newscasts on weekends.

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    JustRuss says:

    Indeed, eviscerating Trump on the debate stage could be a way for a Cruz or a Paul or Christie or a Perry to stand out.

    Yesterday I’d have said that nothing could get me to watch the Republican debates, but using Trump as a piñata? Hell, I’d pay to watch that.

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    lamh36 says:


    My Lord, my Lord.

    Shit. The pastor of the church is who also happens to be a State Senator along with his sister was among those killed.

    Would this be considered a possible assassination attempt?

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    opiejeanne says:

    @sharl: It’s terrible.

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    NotMax says:



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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Horrible. Horrible.

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    David Koch says:

    New York Daily News ‏@NYDailyNews 1h1 hour ago

    At least 8 reportedly shot at black church in Charleston, S.C.; cops searching for white male suspect in his 20s

    Michael Skolnik ‏@MichaelSkolnik 1h1 hour ago

    Hillary Clinton was in Charleston, SC today, but according to her campaign she had left before the Emmanuel AME church shooting occured.

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    Suzanne says:

    This is devastating.

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    lamh36 says:

    @David Koch: I saw that. Lord, please media DO NOT MAKE THIS ABOUT HILARY CLINTON!

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    opiejeanne says:

    @lamh36: Agreed.

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    Suzanne says:

    @lamh36: Word.

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    David Koch says:

    Alexandra Samuels ‏@AlexSamuelsx5 1h1 hour ago

    White privilege is the shooter being described as “mentally unstable,” instead of simply calling him what he is: a terrorist.

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    El Caganer says:

    @David Koch: Christ, they’re making excuses for him before they even know who he is?

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    pseudonymous in nc says:

    As is tediously predictable, lots of white folks are suggesting that this could have been dealt with if someone in that church had been packing heat and on guard during bible study. Insanity run wild.

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    David Koch says:

    Will McAvoy

    MSNBC the only network currently with live, continuous coverage from Charleston.

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    Seen on Twitter: ‘CNN Just Reported That The Shooter Was “Mentally Struggling.” ‘

    I mean, what the FUCK. They don’t even know who the guy IS yet.

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    beth says:

    Kid is home safe. An off duty cop who works with her says he’s hearing 8-9 dead from his co-workers. Damn.

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    David Koch says:

    Photo of prayer circle

    photo of house to house manhunt

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    David Koch says:

    power testimony going on MSNBC at this moment

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    @beth: So glad she’s home.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:


    Very glad and relieved she’s home, and safe. Heartbroken for those who can’t say the same. Also, and in no particular order, sickened, infuriated, and frustrated. But mostly, just so sad.

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    sharl says:

    @beth: Damn, indeed. But glad to learn your kiddo is home safe.

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    David Koch says:

    Bomani Jones ‏@bomani_jones 2h2 hours ago

    i got nothing but the obvious to say about charleston. just frightened to consider that even the indefensible will become divisive.

    the trick for media outlets is to find the question that splits. it’s almost like setting a betting line.

    and it’s gonna happen. but as i’ve asked many times, please don’t let them exploit your righteous and justified outrage.

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    piratedan says:

    LGF has a thread mining twitter and the absurdity that is the media coverage (as in their ineptness and whitesplaining) for those looking to follow. Am so sick of this mass murder being done on damn near a weekly basis. I hate how its jaded me.

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    lamh36 says:


    Per MSNBC, the family confirmed that the State Senator and Pastor of the church was one of the victims

    My Lord!

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    sharl says:

    Live on local Charleston TV, police chief just finished speaking, mayor now talking. Chief said they’d take questions after the mayor is finished. They’re looking for a white guy “around 21 years old”, with sandy blonde hair. Only one gunman suspected right now. Reward info will come out tomorrow. Chief says he believes it is a hate crime (duh), mayor concurs, FBI will help in investigation.

    A church elder (Norvel Goff, I think he said) now speaking.

    I saw same reports that lamh36 at #102 reported. Goddam…

    ETA: Chief said the bomb threat is over, “that is why we’re talking to you (reporters) now”.

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    Eric says:

    @Major Major Major Major: Considering the people of New Jersey voted ‘Born to Run’ their official State Song, it’s not exactly limited to the Right Wing.

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    Joel says:

    @David Koch: the issue will be guns, of course. I hope good people don’t take the bait. A more productive focus would be how we came to bring a society that facilitates these kinds of actions. And who supported and encouraged this guy? Where are his connections? Can we root out those rats and publicly destroy them?

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    Sherparick says:

    @MikeBoyScout: Very cool statement, and Neil Young reminded everyone that he is a Canadian and not voter in the United States, but if he was he would be not be voting for someone like Trump.

    Reference Charleston, before last night I caught a glimpse of the ABC nightly news (shows that I regularly watched for years, but now ignore), and the lead story was about Scary Muslims ISIS coming to kill us in our beds and featured the picture of the Black suspect arrested in Arizona. Then of course Charleston happen last night. Most of the mass killings (which are never “terrorist” incidents when committed a white, male, Real Murrican) in the Obama years been by young white males. There also seems to me an uptick in random young white males, who get ticked off by/rejected by a woman, who then kills say woman. (See this horrible story in Iowa from last weekend about the mall cop and near where I live was this horrible murder of University of Mary Washington student

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    Bubblegum Tate says:

    Wingnuts I know are worried that Trump will shade out the real CEO candidate, Carly Fiorina. I’m crappin’ you negative: They think Donald’s big problem is not his cluelessness, his status as a national joke, or his rampant unpopularity. No the problem is that he distracts people from focusing on one of the worst CEOs of all time–who they like.

    And then, as the final turd on the shit sandwich, one of them piped up that he wants whoever does win the nomination “has [Trump] in the inner circle and uses his experience and knowledge.” So…the goal is to bankrupt the country, then? Because Donald’s really good at that!

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