Kung Fu Pope v. Big Carbon

Via Slate, I came across this little bit of video:

Per Eric Holtas in Slate, this is the brainchild of some delightfully twisted Brazilian climate change activists.
My favorite shot?  Dawn-backlit papal Tai-Chi exercise.  IOW:  just watch this.
PS — the soundtrack could/should have been Inhofe and Santorum skull detonations.

97 replies
  1. 1
    Corner Stone says:

    “The power of Me compels you!”

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    Corner Stone says:

    HRC doing the damn thing, FDR style.

  3. 3
    Corner Stone says:

    Looks like on TPP our good friend David Frum and Martin are on the same page.
    TPP is a trade strategy to contain China – needed now more than ever.”

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Hmmm. I would not have thought interning the Japanese would have been the way to go here. #kidding

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: She’s going all out expropriating the appropriators.

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Has she welcomed their hatred yet?

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    raven says:

    @Baud: She’s busy on the Beatles right now!

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    From: HQ.
    Re: Pope Francis.

    We’re sorry. The official progressive line on organized religion is that it’s a tool of the oppressor, and a crutch for the weak-minded.
    And Catholicism is the worst offender.

    [Insert obligatory Diderot quotation about last priest, last king, guts and strangling here.]
    [Reference to Vatican wealth goes here.]
    [Insert obligatory reference to perverts wearing dresses and little boys here.]
    [Optional: Condescending shout-out to the Berrigans, or Dorothy Day, or Cardinal Romero, or Dom Helder-Camara….]

    Thank you. In the future we know we can count on your cooperation in this matter.

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    Tom Levenson says:

    @Davis X. Machina: You dance with the Pope that brung ya.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Corner Stone: I’m watching Hillzapalooza too. She’s getting some good lines in (When Republicans are asked about climate change, they say they aren’t scientists. So why don’t they listen to people who are?). She’s saying the phrase “income inequality.”

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @Baud: She gets to that right after she’s through welcoming our hatred.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Betty Cracker: In the delivery of a WJC or President Obama, this speech would have the crowd grabbing their pitchforks and reaching for the torches.
    IOW, it’s a damn good speech, she’s just not much on the speech giving skillset. Which is fine, but she is a little stiff in the transition and timing.

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    fuckwit says:

    @Davis X. Machina: My tent is bigger than your tent.

  14. 14
    Corner Stone says:

    “I believe that SHE should get a ponicorn! And HE should get a ponicorn! And you ALL should get a ponicorn!”

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @fuckwit: I don’t want a big tent, I want a tent full of people who think just like me. Made from hemp.

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    A guy says:

    You don’t listen to those scientists because just like Hillary they lie to get money. Be it a speaking engagement of her husband or a grant to a so called scientist. They are all in it for themselves

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Corner Stone: True. Also, I am SO stealing “ponicorn.”

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    Gravenstone says:

    @Davis X. Machina: Will you inhale once you’ve set the tent alight?

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    Gravenstone says:

    @A guy: Poe’s Law, or just a moron? Magic 8-ball says, “Not sure, try again later”

  20. 20
    dmsilev says:

    @A guy: Poe’s Law is a harsh mistress.

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    Corner Stone says:

    “Stand my ground” ?!
    OMG, she’s gonna kill us all!

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    MomSense says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    Organic hemp or no deal.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    HRC: “I believe that SHE should get a ponicorn! And HE should get a ponicorn! And you ALL should get a ponicorn!”

    ¡Jeb!: “Ponicorns for job creators. And when the ponicorn poop trickles down, it will fertilize all your gardens.”

    Santorum: “Everyone gets a ponicorn after they die”

    Christie: “Ponicorns for myself and my cronies. It would be morally wrong for you to have a ponicorn”

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    @MomSense: On mature reflection, a treehouse would be better than a tent.

    People can just walk into a tent. With a treehouse you can keep pretty close track of who gets in and whether they’re right enough about the right things.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    Does anyone else keep reading ‘porn_icorn’? I think the bottoms of the bifocals are due an update.

    Sans serif fonts are for the young.

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    MomSense says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    As long as no trees are harmed in the making of this treehouse.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Davis X. Machina: I keep seeing it as pornicon. A convention of adult filmmakers.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    LOLGOP tweets:

    “Helping people afford debt-free college and child care? Who the F does she think we are? Every other first world nation on Earth?”

    “Republicans don’t want the third term of Barack Obama. They want the third loss of Mitt Romney.”

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    greennotGreen says:

    Fun video. Yes, you do dance with the pope that brung you. If the pope reflected my beliefs entirely, no one would listen to him and he wouldn’t be Catholic. Baby steps, people.

  31. 31
    Germy Shoemangler says:

    I tried watching HRC’s speech, but my computer froze.

    I’m instead reading everyone’s comments here and LOLGOP tweets.

    It’s all I need.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: My NBC feed shit the bed, so I missed the end. Damn.

  33. 33
    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @A guy: When they say “a lie to get money”, it’s projection like the multiplex down at the mall over Memorial Day weekend.

  34. 34
    Davis X. Machina says:

    The people have spoken. Hillary’s speech was bad again, and Bernie’s still going to win, because when you’re right, what else do you need.

    Also, the crowd was all white, Hillary is old, and where is Howard Dean?

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Betty Cracker: So I’m not the only one. I just bought a new wireless router yesterday, and I got irritated when the HRC speech froze on me.

    Now my paranoia flares up: “NBC top exec running around yelling ‘Pull the plug! Pull the plug!’ when HRC goes on and on about taxing NBC top execs.”

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    Baud says:

    @Davis X. Machina:

    the crowd was all white

    Was it really? In New York?

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Betty Cracker: It was pretty good. She made some self-deprecating comments and a few jokes at her own expense, talked about how she learned to not quit from her mom and how she wanted to be a leader for everyone.
    Pretty good speech, overall. If president, she won’t get much of what she said she wanted, but just saying it all so forcefully is a pretty good sign at this position in the campaign.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: I just rewound the last few minutes and there’s an awful lot of mayo in the shot.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    As Letterman might have asked Shaffer, is people working unpaid for Hillary’s campaign a thing or not a thing?

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    Baud says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    That hit piece should be in the Times.

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Missed opportunity

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Amir Khalid: I am against unpaid internships in any industry. And while volunteering and volunteerism is quite common in political campaigns for office, IMO if you’re running for the top spot then you should not be taking advantage of unpaid labor. That’s a professional gig and you should be offering paying jobs for people doing sustained ground work.
    Volunteering for Joe to be mayor of West BFE is a different category than an almost two year campaign.

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    Corner Stone says:

    I keep trying to tell everyone, Dallas is full of assholes.

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone:

    I assumed that was commonplace in every presidential campaign.

  46. 46
    ThresherK says:

    Colombia go up with the first goal in the 19th minute, after France had much more the run of play so far.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: Joy Reid for MSNBC was there and she just addressed the diversity issue of this specific crowd.
    Apparently although the crowd there was predominantly white there was a deliberate choice to have people of color on the stage, including AA and hispanics. The campaign also wanted the crowd skewed younger. According to JR, the campaign was aware this speech was not as diverse as the D party and they are conscious of increasing the visible diversity moving forward.
    The camera angle at most times just didn’t give the stage view I think was expected. But still, lots of white people everywhere.

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Thanks. I’ll try to catch it later.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: It might be, but IMO it should not be. They are then privileging the young people of wealth and granting them access to future top level political contacts. People who can’t afford to pay their own rent in Iowa are shut out of those future opportunities and we keep reinforcing the same insular thinking and viewpoints.
    I don’t want our top level campaign to be run like that. HRC’s going to raise somewhere around $1B. I think she can pay starvation level wages to all full time interns.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Baud: Agreed.

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    Baud says:

    @Corner Stone:

    Fair enough. That article seemed to single out Hillary, however, which is wrong if it’s a universal and longstanding problem.

  52. 52
    Corner Stone says:

    @Baud: Oh, it was definitely a hit piece, I agree. I mean, talking to Mikey Franklin wtf did they think he was going to say?
    ““If Secretary Clinton wants to show she’s serious about economic opportunity for young people, that has to start with her campaign,” said Mikey Franklin of the Equal Pay Campaign.”
    And not giving any context to how other top level campaigns have been run is also BS. I did like the quote in there with the guy saying people turned down paying jobs to work for HRC. Hmmm, wonder why?
    IMO, I still disagree with the practice for anyone on the top level doing unpaid spots.

  53. 53
    Betty says:

    @Corner Stone: Minorities on stage. Isn’t that what Republicans do – and we laugh at them for?

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    trollhattan says:

    @Villago Delenda Est:
    Which then leads to the inevitable: if the money-grabbing scientists were really so dang smart they’d be better money-grabbers and as rich as our plutocrat class but they’re not so they’re not and therefore, can’t be trusted on a complex topic like climate, QED byawtchz.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @Betty: It should be mocked. A campaign event in modern times, maybe forever, is a creative construct. Done right, it feels like a mini set piece for theater where the politician is saying all your favorite lines from your oh so happy childhood. Or scaring the bejeesus out of you by threatening what horrible fate will fall on to you for not voting for them.
    But for the most part the D party is about inclusion so the stage prop pieces seem less out of place and not so jarring. The R party rigidly fights to exclude the other so when they put the flags up, the potted plants down and slot some color near stage right the hypocrisy is blaring.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @trollhattan: Mmmm, Baywatch…*donut noises*

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    trollhattan says:

    O/T Some may have followed the Fox News attack on SEK; SEK returns fire.

    “No one’s talking about the rate of Wildling-on-Wildling crime, either,” Doocy added. “It’s high — much higher than in the White Walker community.”

    Kilmeade agreed, arguing that “some critics” are bashing the White Walkers just because they’re white. “We don’t really know anything about them,” he said, “but we do know that, unlike the Wildlings, they’re not using precious resources that could be going to the troops. I’m not saying we should start a #WhiteWalkersMatter campaign or anything, but I’m not saying we shouldn’t either.”

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    gelfling545 says:

    “because when you’re right, what else do you need.” $5 to get a cup of coffee?

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    ruemara says:

    I’m staring at my new 27″ monitor. In AWE! I love you, monitor. I love you too, new to me desktop. It’s the prettiest and the bestest. Not much food, down to a pair of sneakers, but a better camera & editing machine. I know my priorities.

    You know who else needs new toys for enrichment? Gauhati the Rhino at the SF Zoo. http://boingboing.net/2015/05/.....ore-389337
    Give a rhino a chance. yes I’m shilling for the rhino again.

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    Omnes Omnibus says:

    @MomSense: Define harmed.

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    askew says:

    Hillary’s speech was workmanlike. She said the right buzz words and no one in the media will note when they contradict her past rhetoric/record or that the other candidates have all been saying the same things for a lot longer and some of them even have actions to match those words.

    Saw Bernie supporters pointing out that her crowd size at 5,500 is the size of the crowd Bernie got in Minneapolis and not much larger than the 4K Bernie got in Burlington. Both towns are significantly smaller than NYC. Media noted the overflow section was empty and crowd was smaller than expected. Now, the campaign has the built in excuse that it was hard to get to. Wonder if that is why they chose that locale.

    Hillary’s watch party in Iowa was filmed with much excitement from CNN until they found out that only 6 people were there including the Hillary staffer.

    Bernie drew 800 people to Drake University last night in Des Moines. As much as I wish it was O’Malley who was drawing in a crowd that size, I am impressed with the size of the crowds Bernie is getting. If I was Team Hillary I’d start getting a little bit worried about him.

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    Gravenstone says:

    @askew: Your robotic shilling is duly noted.

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    Corner Stone says:

    @askew: It was a pretty good speech, and what you deem buzzwords were actually significant policy platforms.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    Are these people serious? This makes as much sense as praising The Chronicles of Narnia for being more Christian than The Lord of The Rings — praise which would have made no sense to CS Lewis, and which he might even have considered an insult to his friend the devout Catholic JRR Tolkien.

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    Tommy says:

    @ruemara: A good monitor is kind of important if you are on a computer much. I rock a dual 32-inch set-up. At places like Tiger Direct you can get a reconditioned monitor really cheap. Dual monitor or graphic cards are a little pricey, but I swear if you have never used a multiple monitor set-up you are really missing out.

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    Tommy says:

    Rear end in comfy chair. Large glass of ice tea. Remote in hand. Time to binge watch some Orange is the New Black.

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    ruemara says:

    @Tommy: Oh, I like a dual. It comes in handy for design and editing, but we’ll have to wait on that. Right now, I’m just reveling in the upgrade from my 17″ & 15″ laptop. I think that I’ll be maxing out the processor on this puppy if I can. It comes with room for 8 HDs. I want to cuddle it.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Amir Khalid: I thought it was a work of satire.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    It was!? I, um, I knew that!

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Amir Khalid: Well, now I’m not so sure.

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    Tommy says:


    It comes in handy for design and editing […..]

    Yes it does and that is what I kind of do for a living. So nice to have Photoshop open in one monitor and WordPress in another so I can edit and see what is going on. I am thinking of getting a third because I have the space on my desktop and I use an older Dell flat screens and I can get one reconditioned for $159.99.

    In the grand scheme of things that seems like a fairly fair price :).

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    PurpleGirl says:

    Was the speech given at the Four Freedoms Park, which is dedicated to FDR? They may have picked the location for the tie-in to FDR. And yes, access to Roosevelt Island (formerly Welfare Island and Bedloe’s Island, IIRC) is difficult. there is a car bridge but you have to park your car in the garage and take a bus around the island. You can get there by bus from Queens or you can take the Tram. Oh, yes, almost forgot the subway stop on the F train. That may sound like a lot of way to get there but the Tram, the train and buses do not run on very frequent schedules.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Amir Khalid: SEK wrote that as these people cover politics and culture in general. These people are cretinous loons. Everything passes into legend, things “are known”, critical thinking and questioning of the legends are denounced as heresy.

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    opiejeanne says:

    Dagnabbit. My elderly iMac (desktop) works just fine even though the OS is long beyond updating, but what I use it most for these days is to watch MLBtv for the Angels, since I live in Seattle and can’t watch them on tv except when they play the Mariners or when ESPN or one of the other clown networks deigns to show their games. Yesterday we couldn’t get the game to play on it; the loading percentage got stuck at 33% no matter what tricks we tried. It ran just fine on the Toshiba laptop, which was a bit of a pain but we got to watch the game.
    I’m wondering if I am going to need to scrap this old computer, if this is just the beginning of the end. Drat. The new one costs $1800.

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    Corner Stone says:


    Was the speech given at the Four Freedoms Park, which is dedicated to FDR? They may have picked the location for the tie-in to FDR.

    Yes, I believe that’s right. HRC did the tie-in to FDR and mentioned that two presidents who had carried on the FDR spirit were President Obama and WJC.
    There was a lot of good FDR style rhetoric in the speech.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Tommy: My wife has 2 monitors and usually has both desktops open with stuff on those screens as well. If I look at her she just looks back and says, “What?”

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    opiejeanne says:

    @PurpleGirl: Blackwell’s Island. My husband’s great great grandmother spent 3 months there, a couple of years before Nelly Bly wrote her article.

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    Tommy says:

    @ruemara: Just to geek out a little I used to have almost a gaming quality laptop. As it got older I picked up a Chromebook. Basically it is just a surf board. I can’t run something like Photoshop or Office on it. But it is lighting fast. Amazing battery life. And all the apps I use for my business have a Chrome extension (Insightly, Todoist, etc.) so it works perfectly for me.

    But if people are on a budget and just need to surf the web and do things like Gmail it is a dream machine. If you look for a deal you can get one for well under $200. And at least for the one I got it came with a free 100GB Google Drive account and free T-Mobile wireless (one year).

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    opiejeanne says:

    @ruemara: What did you get?

    (and I’d happily pay for a new pair of shoes if you need them)

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    ruemara says:

    @Tommy: I can’t just surf. I neeeeed to game. It’s my only vice. Plus, I never know if I may not want to edit or draw. I’ve thought about a Chrome, but instead I have a Dell. I’m pretty good at making do with the not quite peak products and giving them a long shelf life. This new desktop is an Alienware that’s about 2 years old but has a lot of capacity for being a good desktop work machine. And then I clean the old laptops, load them with good freeware and donate them for charities, since they’re 6 years old. Win/win.

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    Tommy says:

    @opiejeanne: Yeah I got rid of cable a little more than a year ago. I have to have my Cards. The MLB app with radio and TV is amazing. A little pricey but you are getting 167 games. My parents and we bleed Cardinal red, were not so sure what it would be like watching the games this way when they visit.

    Mom is hooked. Loves to watch the game streaming and then have the interactive app running on my laptop where she gets like a video game interface of the game. Stats right at your fingertips.

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    ruemara says:

    @opiejeanne: You’re awesome. I can wait til post Mid-July. I like to let them become divine first (holey). All I’m doing is working out, so the air conditioning is useful now. I’m already sweaty and this gym is so not a meat market.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Amir Khalid: @Villago Delenda Est: @opiejeanne:
    Background here.. Megyn Kelly did not like SEK’s original piece, not one bit, and took to the airwaves to make gosh darn sure all 80-year olds knew it.

    It’s just so letter-perfect, Colbertishly so, that it seems plausable.

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    trollhattan says:

    Crap exceeded the FYWP link limit.
    Background here.. Megyn Kelly did not like SEK’s original piece, not one bit, and took to the airwaves to make gosh darn sure all 80-year olds knew it.

    It’s just so letter-perfect, Colbertishly so, that it seems plausable.

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    Tommy says:

    @ruemara: Wow Alienware. That is pretty much the best of the best. You ought to have the ability to upgrade the shit out of the thing and make it work for many, many years.

    I use Dell if for no other reason when I did the reverse switch from Apple (used from 1987 until 2008) everybody I knew had a Dell and they never had any problems.

    My current machine cost me $3,000 just for the CPU. A total workhorse with about every option Dell offered. I flat out love it. And the OS running on a solid state drive, so freaking fast. Boots in seconds. When I ordered it I didn’t even realize this was an option and so happy I paid for it.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @Tommy: That’s pretty good, considering there are only 162 games in the regular season. ;-)

    Which app? I think you are probably talking about something a bit different from what I mentioned. This is the annual subscription to watch all of the games online, but it only works on a computer. There’s an expensive app for my smart phone if I want to pay for duplicate services.

    The stupid thing is that the game will run just fine on my very elderly Compaq (2001?) that we use at the cabin, or at least it did last year.

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @opiejeanne: Yes. Bedloe’s Island became Liberty Island, home of the Statue of Liberty.

    I once spent an afternoon in one of the hospitals for the disabled that was on [Welfare] Island with a youth group from my then church. We read and played games with some of the teenagers who lived at the hospital.

    I do remember the ‘up-side-down’ building which was how people used to get to the island. The top floor was the 1st floor at the height of the Queensborough Bridge. There was a plaza where cars could turn off from the outer roadway of the bridge and wait to be loaded on a elevator to be taken down to the island’s surface.

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    Tommy says:

    @opiejeanne: I got it through the MLB official app. It is called MLB.TV. I started with just the audio service and was blown away by the quality. At some levels it works better than Hulu and Netflix. As close to a “perfect” service as I could imagine. Then upgraded to the TV version.

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    ruemara says:

    @Tommy: Here’s the kicker. I had a friend upgrade it to a dual boot for mac & windows. With 8 HD slots, I can run at least 2 mac dedicated drives. Seriously, I want to hug this machine so much. And it glows blue. You can’t beat a blue glowing machine that weighs 40lbs and has fan vents that move. Adorable. If I had my cats, I would group hug all of them because they’re all so damned adorable. And my wacom is attached!

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    opiejeanne says:

    @trollhattan: Thank you so much for helping me understand, and the satire piece was great. I had no idea about Megyn since I avoid Fox like the plague, forgot who SEK was (I blame the cough syrup), and I haven’t watched or read GoT, but my husband has read the books and I think I will have to do so now.

    By the way, the EMP in Seattle has this cool virtual reality experience right now:


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    Tommy says:

    @ruemara: Yeah Alienware is the shit! But a machine with what I’d want at some levels would be more of a machine then I need since I don’t play any games on my PC.

    I am a console guy. I have a PS3, PS2, Sega Genesis, and N64 (got to play Golden Eye) hooked up right across from me. Not gone to the PS4 because I guess I am getting old, but the graphics and game play on the PS3 is all I need and more. Plus it is nice to be able to get games for it for under 20 bucks.

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    J R in WV says:

    @A guy:

    “…they lie to get money”

    Projection! You must be ethics free, as you believe everyone is.

    The vast majority of scientists (and I do know many scientists, that comes with getting a BS degree at a University!) would never allow false data anywhere near their work, under any circumstances. On the contrary, scientists would, if the data indicated it, publish a correction of any article they had written that proved not to be the actual case after further research.

    Do you never see the stories about drug studies being canceled when the data shows that the treatment is ineffective or more dangerous that first thought? This happens all the time, it usually means millions of dollars and years of hard work invested will go down the tubes, yet it happens all the time. This is because people have ethics, and won’t harm others for fun and profit.

    Actually, scientists and the Clintons don’t need to lie to get money, they are highly paid in either case, and they earn that money by being truthful.

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    ruemara says:

    @Tommy: I’m console impaired. I tried to play Destiny and couldn’t get out of the training area for half an hour. Too many damned buttons. Keyboard warrior, I do just fine. If it was a wii game with kickboxing or actual weapons, I’d probably do better. Upgrade to the PS4. The graphics are AMAZEBALLS on it. I can watch my friends play for hours. And, have.

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    opiejeanne says:

    @opiejeanne: Oh drat, I think the exhibit closed. It was something I thought they’d keep longer.

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    Tommy says:

    @ruemara: The controllers are a hurdle when you start on a present day console. Easier for me because I am not a first-person-shooter guy. I have bought a few for like 10 bucks. The Tom Clancey games. As you said I could hardIy get out of the “training” section of the game.

    I like puzzle games and honestly games geared towards kids. My favorite game on the PS3 is LittleBigPlanet. Heck when I visit my 6-year-old niece we lose yourself in the games I have on my tablet. She is often better at them than I am because she has the same games on her tablet. That is either sad or cool. Not sure which :)!

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    HeartlandLiberal says:

    Fantastic video. I loved it. Every time Pope Francis takes the next step in speaking truth to the world I am reminded of the TV series MASH, when Father Mulcahy, to the soldier who has just told him he is not Catholic, asks: “But would you like to be”?

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    HeartlandLiberal says:

    @A guy: Methinks you have been watching to much Faux Noise Nutwork, because you just spouted one of the key right wing lies and talking points. And it is of course a blatant lie. More than that, it is projection, because the right wing nut jobs all would cheat, and do cheat, any and every chance they get. So of course they assume their opponents will, also.

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