Tuesday Evening Open Thread: Red Meat for the Cheap Seats

From the Business Insider article:

In a new interview for the April issue of Playboy, Cheney repeatedly tore into Obama on a wide array of issues, including the racially charged riots in Ferguson, Missouri, and foreign policy.

“I look at Barack Obama and I see the worst president of my lifetime, without question,” Cheney told journalist [Fox News chief Washington correspondent] James Rosen. “I used to have significant criticism of Jimmy Carter, but compared to Barack Obama and the damage he is doing to the nation—it’s a tragedy.”…

So, I guess the “high dollar” GOP demographic is now… Fox News viewers who get their porn through the U.S. mail. Business Insider has the most outrageous bits, if you don’t want to give Hugh Hefner’s Zombie Project the clicks.
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Apart from noticing that certain individuals may just have outlived their retrograde/vintage fad value, what’s on the agenda for the evening?






212 replies
  1. 1
    Dave c says:

    I can’t believe even Playboy thinks this troll’s opinions are of any consequence. Actually, I can believe it. I just wish I couldn’t

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    Baud says:

    The one time I can proudly say that I don’t get Playboy for the articles.

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    WereBear says:

    One of the most loathsome people currently living thinks you are terrible?

    Doesn’t that cancel out the criticism?

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    ThresherK says:

    Playboy, which I don’t even read for the articles, has articles from anyone whose bio says [Fox News]?

    I guess I haven’t been missing anything.

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    shelley says:

    The sun’s finally come out for a bit this afternoon, but now the temps are cratering and the wind’s gusting so hard it keeps blowing the back door open.

    Friday is supposed to be the beginning of Spring, right?

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    trollhattan says:

    I wonder how that fucker’s stock portfolio has done under the “worst president of his lifetime”?

    Come to think of it, if by “lifetime” he’s referencing his current heart, Obama is also the “best president of his lifetime.”

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    Brachiator says:

    Actually, I love the idea that sexual hypocrites may have to buy “Playboy” to get their Cheney fix.

    I’m mildly curious about what else Darth Cheney may have to say since I’m sure scraps of it will continue to float up as we head for the 2016 elections, part of the lame attempts to demonize the Democratic Party.

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    askew says:

    Spent the day picking out a gravesite for my father who died unexpectedly a week ago. He had stage 4 cancer but they thought he still had some time. It’s been a long week dealing with funeral/burial arrangements while trying to stop sobbing and comforting mom.

    Tonight we are getting together to try to put a dent in all of the food everyone has been bringing over. Tomorrow the rest of the out-of-town guests leave and we have to try to help mom adjust to her new normal.

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    Baud says:

    @askew: I’m sorry to hear that. I remember you saying he had a few months. Condolences to you and your family.

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    The best thing George W. Bush did in his entire presidency was to still be alive on January 20, 2009.

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    Pogonip says:

    @askew: So sorry for your loss.

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    @askew: My heart goes out to you and your family.

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    BGinCHI says:

    If Cheney isn’t hating on you, Obama, then you have something to worry about.

    Dick probably thinks Rahm is “America’s Mayor.”

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    Tree With Water says:

    Joe Goebbel’s himself couldn’t have defended himself (or his boss) in abler fashion than Cheney has done in leveling his criticism of Obama.

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    beltane says:

    Well, it looks like We will still have Netanyahu to deal with. His anti-Obama dog-whistling seems to have been more successful than McCain or Romney’s.

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    The only question remaining in my mind is, does Cheney actually believe his own bullshit, or is he a pure grifter?

    It’s not as firm a line as you’d think — there are plenty of con men who ended up believing their own con. See the book “Drake’s Fortune,” where the guy who created the con came to believe in it himself and died in an insane asylum, convinced that the lie he himself had concocted was all true.

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    Pogonip says:

    Is there any news on Mary G. and Ginger?

    Also, put in your two cents for Cole to keep Thurston. Vote early and vote often!

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    Turgidson says:

    Since, when it comes to accuracy of analysis and prediction, Dick Cheney is to current and former public officials what Bloody Bill WRONG Kristol is to pundits and media personalities, I’ll go ahead and pen a letter congratulating Obama for being the best president of Dick Cheney’s lifetime.

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    askew says:

    Thanks for the condolences.

    @Baud:

    We were told 2-6 months without treatment and 8 months with treatment. We think he had a blood clot or aneurysm. At least he died at home in his sleep without pain. But, it was such a shock.

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    WereBear says:

    Since it’s an open thread, I’d like to state that I no longer want to do business with American business.

    In the past week I have dealt with more incredible corporate incompetence than I thought could possibly exist on the same plane of space and time. Since (through long experience) I am highly skilled at ferreting through corporate firewalls and reaching people higher up the ladder, I did so this time, and for the first time, this simply extended, even increased, the incompetence.

    This week, I had two things that we just bought inexplicably stop working, This week, I put a fresh pen to fresh paper, and they did not work together.

    The center cannot hold. At this rate, they can’t even find it.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    Why would anyone even ask this man anything?

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    WereBear says:

    @askew: That’s terribly sad. My heart goes out to all of you.

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    Turgidson says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    Amazing given how much of a historic fuckup GWB was, but true. If Bush had died even a few hours before Obama took the oath of office, we might have a smoldering crater where Tehran used to be. Cheney, sick fuck that he is, would have made the “most” of his “opportunity”, no matter how short.

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    Brachiator says:

    @WereBear:

    Since it’s an open thread, I’d like to state that I no longer want to do business with American business.

    Wow. This sounds like an incredibly frustrating or aggravating experience. Care to offer a few details?

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    Kropadope says:

    … In a new interview for the April issue of Playboy, Cheney repeatedly tore into Obama on a wide array of issues, including the racially charged riots in Ferguson, Missouri, and foreign policy.

    “I look at Barack Obama and I see the worst president of my lifetime, without question,” Cheney told journalist [Fox News chief Washington correspondent] James Rosen. “I used to have significant criticism of Jimmy Carter, but compared to Barack Obama and the damage he is doing to the nation—it’s a tragedy.”…

    Where to begin? I suppose by first acknowledging Dick Cheney as a widely r/espected luminary on foreign policy with impeccable credentials on same.

    I wonder what Obama did to provoke the Ferguson riots? It must have been both really terrible and clandestine if they can’t show us on TV and don’t have any video on the internet. Lucky for us we have Richard Cheney, though some may prefer “Dick,” to bravely discover Obama’s dark, dark secrets. Such good fortune he was able to return from such a dangerous mission safely, thanks to his many years of experience discreetly hanging from the White House rafters.

    Mr. Cheney is also right that what Obama is doing to the nation is a tragedy. Sure most of the wealth is accruing to the top 0.01% of people, but not all of it. Surely they have earned every last penny by dint of our hard work.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    That’s nice that he thinks that, too bad the nation doesn’t agree with him.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): I assume the very worst about Cheney and his ilk, and I’m never wrong in doing so. Never.

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    Violet says:

    @askew: Very sorry for your loss. So tough when you thought you’d have more time. Best to your family during this time.

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    SatanicPanic says:

    @askew: wow that’s got to be rough. My condolences.

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    geg6 says:

    Fuck that ghoul. I can’t wait to take a giant shit on that fucker’s grave. I’ll spend my life savings just to do it.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone):

    The only question remaining in my mind is, does Cheney actually believe his own bullshit, or is he a pure grifter?

    The sad thing is that Cheney and his ilk have been successful at keeping a dull core of Obama hate alive among conservatives and others, often to keep them distracted from comprehending the degree to which they are viewed as suckers by the GOP, their supposed saviors.

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    beltane says:

    @askew: Very sorry for your loss. That’s a tough one.

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    GregB says:

    Playboy is getting outclassed by Hustler.

    Go figure.

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    geg6 says:

    @askew:

    So sorry. You really start looking death in the eye when the parents go and you realize you’re on your own forever. Glad he passed quietly at home and didn’t have to suffer the torments of cancer treatments at the end of his life like my mom did before she finally told them to stuff it and died on her own terms.

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    JPL says:

    @askew: It always is a shock. Please accept my condolences and take time for yourself. If you need to express some thoughts, know that we are here.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Mustang Bobby:

    “The best thing”? Possibly the only good thing.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    Cheney should be hanging from a sour apple tree at this very moment for war crimes.

    Fuck him and his entire family.

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    RaflW says:

    Really. A vituperative Republican ex-VP with a bitter streak a mile wide says “Obama is the worst’ and that is some sort of news? Stop the presses! Ultra-partisan says partisan thing. Film at eleventy-thirty.

    Playboy can eat shit for all I care.

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    Cervantes says:

    @askew:

    Please accept my heart-felt condolences in this difficult existential moment.

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    RaflW says:

    BTW, has Cheney actually left the US of A since 2009? I suppose he can fly to selected client states via nonstop private jet, but I’m thinking he knows he’s a war criminal and is getting kinda bored holed up this country he clearly hates.

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    trollhattan says:

    @askew:
    Very sorry to hear of your father’s passing. Doubly sorry in a Dick Cheney thread.

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    raven says:

    @askew: So sorry to hear this.

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    Mary G says:

    @askew: I am so sorry for you and your family. It’s always hard, but to have expected a few more precious months and be cheated of that must be quite a blow.

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    jeffreyw says:

    Bah, my 2nd Dish Hopper DVR shot craps today, it lasted 8 months after the first one died right after it’s first birthday. They send a replacement right out but I lose all my timers and recorded video.

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    greennotGreen says:

    @askew: My sympathies. Please take comfort that his passing was at home and peaceful.

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    Kropadope says:

    @RaflW:

    BTW, has Cheney actually left the US of A since 2009? I suppose he can fly to selected client states via nonstop private jet, but I’m thinking he knows he’s a war criminal and is getting kinda bored holed up this country he clearly hates.

    I’m sure he doesn’t hate the whole country, just the proletariat. He looooooves defense contractors, prob not their employees though.

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    Pogonip says:

    @RaflW: Not if he has any sense. I think all the First World countries would arrest him as a war criminal.

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    WereBear says:

    @Brachiator: Time Warner started giving us harassing robocalls for being $21 short paying our last bill. I called them and they assured me I could just add it to the next bill. But the robocalls didn’t stop, they started threatening legal action. I got to the office of the President… only to get shunted to some poor woman with a meaningless title who confirmed she could do nothing to help me except write down my complaint. No one could help me. They could not control their own robocalls! I had to pay the $21 on an automated phone line to make them stop.

    Then Apple lost our Apple Care for the second time on the same machine. They were supposed to research it and call me back. They did not. After a week of no machine, we called again. They lost that case number. Then they found it again, but by that time I’d moved higher up the chain and gotten a new case number. Then filled out an online form to have it repaired. The website said I’d get an email. I didn’t. I went to Apple Corporate, which got most things straightened out, except now I’m getting calls from THREE different case numbers. At least they are all eager to help me.

    And we have to ship the machine and I don’t know what will happen then.

    But the final straw was the brand new pens not writing. Three in a row. While I’m on the phone with all these people telling me complicated things and not enunciating the friggin’ numbers.

    They won’t let you at the people who have any power, and they don’t let you talk to anyone but people who don’t have power.

    I am on the last inch of my last nerve.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Pogonip: I suppose the U.S. doesn’t count?

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    Brachiator says:

    @askew: This is very sad news. My condolences to you and your family.

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    muddy says:

    The comments at Business Insider are priceless. One laments that he can’t tell which are the trolls. I’d like to say, All of them Katie, but there is a lot of 27%ish stuff going down there.

    And they really show enormous creativity in their nicknames for the president etc, no one will standardize these patriots!

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    Patrick says:

    “I look at Barack Obama and I see the worst president of my lifetime, without question,” Cheney told journalist [Fox News chief Washington correspondent] James Rosen. “I used to have significant criticism of Jimmy Carter, but compared to Barack Obama and the damage he is doing to the nation—it’s a tragedy.”…

    Goodness!

    Unlike Bush, Obama actually dealt with Osama bin Laden. That would be the same Bush that was our President when Osama bin Laden struck us.

    Unlike Bush, the stock market actually went up during Obama.

    Just to mention two biggies. Why, oh why does ANYBODY give a rat’s a** what our worst VP of all time thinks?

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    MomSense says:

    @askew:

    I’m really sorry. Condolences to you and your family.

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    Mike G says:

    I’d be more concerned if Snarlin’ Dick liked something Obama did.

    Fuck him. His approval rating when he left office was something like 12% in the US (and maybe 2% in the world), so even most of the 27% nutjob population can’t stand this ghoul.

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    gf120581 says:

    “…it’s a tragedy.”

    No, Dick, what’s a tragedy is that so many people have left us while your vile carcass is still drawing breath.

    I try not to despise politicians, even the worst of them, but Dick Cheney is a special breed. He is a vile, loathsome piece of shit and needs to exit this world and rid us all of his foul self.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    The two officers blamed for hundreds of anonymous edits to Wikipedia pages on victims of police brutality, made from the NYPD’s IP block, will face minor discipline for using work computers for non-work activities.

    “That is their First Amendment right,” a law enforcement source said.

    The NYPD doesn’t have a policy specific to accessing Wikipedia but is in the process of reviewing its social media rules to give additional guidance to its personnel, Bratton said.

    The two NYPD officers are likely to only face a minor reprimand for using department computers for personal activity, sources said.

    “We are quite clear that when you are using city computers it is supposed to be for city business. This was not authorized business,” Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Monday.

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    Hal says:

    @muddy: I looked at the comments earlier. The comments are from the same handful of commentators who go from comment to comment calling everyone a libtard. Sometimes I wonder if people don’t create multiple accounts just to make it seem like they are in a majority.

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    Emma says:

    @askew: I’m very sorry for your loss. The time will come when you’ll smile instead of cry when you think of him. Hang in there.

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    @WereBear:
    I can’t help you with corporate America, but I can suggest you get the Fisher Space Pen. I got them because I do GMP work, which requires lots of writing and demands you make a line-out and initial and date if you have to re-write anything. I wanted a pen that would write properly the first time, every time, and the Space Pen does the job. They are the best ball-point pen out there, and you can even buy Space Pen refills for other brands of pen.

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    Baud says:

    @Hal:

    Internet comments are worth less than internet polls, which are worthless.

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    @Patrick:

    Why, oh why does ANYBODY give a rat’s a** what our worst VP of all time thinks?

    He makes right wingers happy and left wingers angry, and that sells magazines.

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    WereBear says:

    @Roger Moore: Thanks, good tip.

    Though now I’m having Seinfeld flashbacks :)

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    Kropadope says:

    @Baud: Hey, I represent that remark!!!!1!

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    Brachiator says:

    @WereBear: Wow. This is certainly the trifecta of rage inducing nonsense. The robo call thing is especially galling since they accelerate a threat but give you no way to respond or challenge.

    And sadly this reminds me that I am going to have to get ready for my own battle with corporate futility, in this case with an insurance company.

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    WereBear says:

    @Brachiator: Augh. That would be even worse.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Brachiator: And every right-winger in the comments section of every other blog extolls the wisdom and beauty of the private sector, and mentions the dreaded… (gulp!) DMV to illustrate the horrible state.

    Except my last trip to the DMV was smooth and painless, and every time I deal with SPRINT or TIME WARNER or even my local plumber/contractor/electrician I want to fucking kill myself.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @askew: I’m sorry. It hurts so much to lose a beloved parent.

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    WereBear says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: I used to shepherd contracts through the authorization and payment system of the City of New York. It dates back to 1872 or so and is run by veteran civil servants.

    I’d rather do that for a hundred years than deal with modern corporations and their “customer service.”

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    D58826 says:

    Reuters is reporting that Bibi will form a new gov’t and Herzog will concede. Just think four more years of Bibi. As I said on the football thread I think the US should issue a generic ‘isn’t it great to see free el;ections’ and ignore Bibi. No post election congratulations. Of course it’s a snub, that’s the point. Whats good for the goose is ……. you know

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @askew: Sorry to hear this.
    I’m glad the end was peaceful.

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    Howard Beale IV says:

    Cheney should be injected with pancuronium bromide and then subjected to the same ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ they used on the Guantanamo detainees.

    At least under pancuronium bromide, he’ll be paralyzed enough that he won’t be able to move or talk, let alone scream. Who knows-it actually might ‘break’ him.

    The scary part here? I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the US interrogators did indeed use pancuronium bromide during such interrogations via whatever IV’s they used on such prisoners to break them.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    @askew: Stay strong.

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    Mike in NC says:

    I’m deeply disappointed that Dick Cheney didn’t get a Mussolini-style send off after he left the office he appointed himself to.

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    Brachiator says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: My last visit to the DMV was equally smooth. Actually, more than smooth, and I thanked the person who helped me for being helpful providing exactly the answers I needed regarding my issues.

    HOWEVER, they also was one of my worst experiences. I was told to stand in a line, and after 20 minutes, got to the front and was told it was the wrong line and that tough cookies, no one could expedite my issue.

    And once (absolute true story) I was in line at another agency and saw a supervisor walk by. I asked if she was going to get another clerk to help everyone, and she smirked, said that she was on her way to lunch and only wanted to see how long the line was.

    On the other hand, I’ve seen corporate stores clearly decide that they would rather lose some customers rather than provide service.

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    jake the antisoshul soshulist says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone):
    Being a True Believer does not prevent anyone from grifting. Oral Roberts being a prime rxample

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @jake the antisoshul soshulist: I started watching “GRIT-TV” (most of it is crap, though) and I’m seeing America’s Mayor Rudolph G. hawking reverse mortgages.

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    NotoriousJRT says:

    @askew:
    My condolences on your loss.

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    OzarkHillbilly says:

    When it comes to Dick Cheney… He thinks a man who dare not leave the country for fear of prosecution for war crimes is preferable to Obama? Okay….

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @D58826: NYTIMES:

    “The public wants change and there are enough votes for a real change in Israel,” Mr. Herzog said. “We set up a team that will work on the negotiations to build a coalition, and we will try and make that happen. There will be no decisions made tonight. Go to sleep.”

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    chopper says:

    @askew:

    i’m sorry. losing your dad just plain sucks. i still miss mine every day even though we saw it coming and it’s been almost 10 years now.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    I’m at a kids’ softball game. The waterfowl are on the move this evening. A brilliantly colored Roseate Spoonbill just flew over me.

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    D58826 says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: one can hope

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    chopper says:

    @D58826:

    it blows, but look at the turnout. always reminds me of how much we suck.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    NYTIMES has been providing live coverage:

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/is.....v=top-news

    I thought Israel had a law against campaigning so close to the election? I don’t understand why Reuters is saying Bibi wins.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    And once (absolute true story) I was in line at another agency and saw a supervisor walk by. I asked if she was going to get another clerk to help everyone, and she smirked, said that she was on her way to lunch and only wanted to see how long the line was.

    There seems to be more than the fair share of sadists hired as managers in low level government jobs.

    But, you know, gov’t employees are moochers and takers so you can’t hire competence and you can’t treat the front line employees, you know, the major of employees and the ones the majority of the public has to deal with, well, or properly staff or give them enough authority to solve issues for the public. No, they’re supposed to refuse to help you while kissing your ass. Because city/county managers and elected officials like it that way. They don’t have to live like us. They can call the head of the department and have their issue “resolved”.

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    MJ says:

    @askew: So sorry to hear about your loss. Keep your loved ones close to you during this time. Godspeed to your Dad.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    Read this article, it seems to be a big victory for Likud either way, or they’re spinning it that way, up on internals following the last minute xenophobic blitz:

    http://www.jpost.com/Israel-El.....ure-394235

    It seemed like a lot of voters weren’t committing but ended up casting ballots for the bigger parties.

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    Elizabelle says:

    In news of goatf*ckers other than Richard B. Cheney: Mickey Kaus quit The Daily Caller.

    Politico link. By Dylan Byers, no less.

    The blogger Mickey Kaus has quit his job at The Daily Caller after the conservative site’s editor-in-chief, Tucker Carlson, pulled a critical column about Fox News from the site, Kaus told the On Media blog on Tuesday.

    “It’s pretty simple,” Kaus said in an interview, “I wrote a piece attacking Fox for not being the opposition on immigration and amnesty — for filling up the airwaves with reports on ISIS and terrorism, and not fulfilling their responsibility of being the opposition on amnesty and immigration.… I posted it at 6:30 in the morning. When I got up, Tucker had taken it down. He said, ‘We can’t trash Fox on the site. I work there.'”

    … Kaus will now publish his columns exclusively on Kausfiles, a blog that was previously featured on Slate. But he said that Fox News’ influence over The Daily Caller was indicative of a larger problem in conservative media.

    “It’s a larger problem on the right: Everybody is scared of Fox,” he said. “Fox is their route to a high-profile public image and in some cases stardom. Just to be on a Fox show is a big deal. And I think that’s a problem on the right, Fox’s monopoly on star-making power.”

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @askew: That’s hard. I’ll be thinking of you. I know your mom appreciates that you’re there for her even if she’s too overwhelmed to say it right now.

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    Tree With Water says:

    @Hal: Which is God’s way of telling a person they have too much time on their hands.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @askew: Adding my condolences.

    Dying in his sleep without pain is a good end for your father, but I realize what a shock it was for you and the rest of the family. I am so sorry for your loss.

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    Central Planning says:

    FIRST Robotics practice tonight with my two oldest kids. The team is getting ready for two upcoming competitions… buttons to make, software to tweak, battery cart to be made. Good times!

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    Keith G says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone):

    The only question remaining in my mind is, does Cheney actually believe his own bullshit, or is he a pure grifter?

    I think Cheney is firm in his beliefs that he is one of the last true guardians of all that makes the USA secure in a dangerous world. He is focused to the point of zealotry, and he is zealous to the point of cognitive damage.

    Don’t know if he is crazy, but he is not fully able.

    He reminds me so much of Gen. ‘Buck’ Turgidson in this linked scene.

    Note in that scene, the similarities between George C Scott and Cheney are breathtaking.

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    Patrick says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Read this article, it seems to be a big victory for Likud either way, or they’re spinning it that way,

    But won’t Likud have less power than before the election? Is it just a big win because they beat the much lowered expectations?

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @Elizabelle: Tucker Carlson needs to be found under a 16 ton weight.

    That is all.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Elizabelle:

    ust to be on a Fox show is a big deal. And I think that’s a problem on the right, Fox’s monopoly on star-making power.

    Uggh. It’s so pathetic that the right-wing version of celebrity is professional grift and hurting the American people.

    Actually, when I put it that way it sounds like good sport.

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    Villago Delenda Est says:

    @askew: My condolences. Been there, done that. It’s never easy, even when you know it’s coming.

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    @Germy Shoemangler: I LOVE our DMV (Arapahoe County, CO). Most things you can do online or by mail. If you have to go in, there are multiple service windows and you can sit and relax while you wait for your number to come up. The clerks are helpful and knowledgable, too.

    This despite our having a Republican County Clerk.

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    WereBear says:

    @Keith G: I think Cheney is firm in his beliefs that he is one of the last true guardians of all that makes the USA secure in a dangerous world.

    I’d find such an assertion more believable if he didn’t kill people for money.

    Oh, right, he makes foreign policy decisions based on his financial portfolio. That’s not murder.

    That’s just business.

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    rikyrah says:

    @askew:
    Sorry about your loss.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Patrick: Well, one possibility is they get more seats than anyone else and are tasked with forming a government, which they could still fail to do.

    Or all the votes come in overnight and they come up short and they won’t be tasked with forming a government.

    Even if it’s totally not true, though, Likud is claiming that their hate speech over the weekend worked.

    Just when you think you couldn’t respect them any less…

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    Pogonip says:

    @WereBear: You’re a lot more tolerant than I. I’d have told them they could have their fucking cable box back, shipped it to them certified return receipt, and dared them to sue me.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @WereBear: I don’t believe he believes what he says unless I see the video. Since he was tapped to be W’s VP he’s contradicted 1990s Dick Cheney and tends to give off deceit tells. “I believe we will be greeted as liberators” is a classic. Watch how he smirks, the “I can’t believe they bought it” smirk.

    He’s a cynical liar for GOP. Who knows what he really thinks.

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    Tommy says:

    @askew: Peace be with you. Best wishes. Thinking of you today and tomorrow.

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    Poopyman says:

    Playboy is still published? Fuck ’em.

    And fuck Cheney.

    Meanwhile, aurora!

    “The auroras were insane,” says Marketa, who regularly runs a photography workshop on the Arctic Circle. She has seen a lot of auroras. “I have never seen anything like this.”

    We’ve been getting raked by a solar storm all day long, and it could continue for some hours. Check the northern sky as soon as it gets good and dark.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Elizabelle: TBogg tweeted in B4 goat comments or something like that but nobody has said anything.

    Internet, I am disappoint.

    (Most of twitter was reacting to Tucker Carlson’s rule about not dissing FOX, which is pretty damn juicy.)

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Another Holocene Human: Well, he’s contemptuous of “old Europe” but then after surgery he has a long dream that he’s hanging out at an Italian villa.

    So who knows what truth serum would reveal? “I really wish I was smoking good herb in Jamaica.”

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    Patrick says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    Even if it’s totally not true, though, Likud is claiming that their hate speech over the weekend worked. Just when you think you couldn’t respect them any less…

    Yup. The same goes for any voter who changed their mind and voted for Likud because of the hate speech.

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    Keith G says:

    @WereBear:

    I’d find such an assertion more believable if he didn’t kill people for money.

    What could be more patriotic than the merging of defensive needs with capital interests, since capitalism is god’s gift to America?

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    By the way, Jonathan Capehart? What the actual fuck? I didn’t see any response from Shaun King though I expect one eventually. I think everyone is scratching their head at present and we’ll see responses tomorrow. His fucking slatepitch is going as planned, though, as he was on I think All Things Considered today being Very Serious.

    Seriously, fuck that guy.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: I lol’ed.

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    Svensker says:

    @askew:

    So sorry. Big hugs.

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    WereBear says:

    @Pogonip: Well, we gotta have the Internet to run our own business, and there is no alternative. Of course, they know that too.

    But the Internet and minimal cable service is all we buy from them. We cut way back because they ticked us off so much and we can do better, financially and choice-wise, with Netflix and Amazon Prime.

    But they have the arrogance of the monopoly. I can complain all I want. If I have nowhere else to go, yanking my business hurts only me.

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    The Golux says:

    @geg6:

    I can’t wait to take a giant shit on that fucker’s grave.

    It appalls me that you would be so disrespectful of your shit.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @WereBear: If cable and the baby bells fuck internet businesses in the boonies, it only more increases the pressure on new and small businesses to seek urban areas where there is infrastructure competition. Not necessarily the best outcome for the common weal, but the cable co’s are being run like railroads in the 70s, with all that implies.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    From the NYTIMES:

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his chief challenger, Isaac Herzog of the center-left Zionist Union, appeared to win about the same number of seats in Parliament on Tuesday, according to Israeli news media and exit polls.

    Expect a protracted and messy process to form the next governing coalition after official results are announced.

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    David Koch says:

    Cheney wanted to tell Playboy he had lusted in his heart for other women, but he doesn’t technically have a heart.

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    Culture of Truth says:

    what a jerk

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    change and there are enough votes for a real change in Israel,” Mr. Herzog said. “We set up a team that will work on the negotiations to build a coalition, and we will try and make that happen. There will be no decisions made tonight. Go to sleep.”

    I’m fine with the results, as they are. Elections should have consequences, and Likud obviously speaks for the milder mannered Israeli Falangists.

    Now, about that annual aid package to Eretz Israel…

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: Sort of like Bush v Gore.

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    beltane says:

    @Botsplainer: The annual aid package will probably be doubled.

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    David Koch says:

    Is there anyone left in this internet age who still subscribes to Playboy?

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    File under Interesting, If True

    Elizabeth Drew @ ElizabethDrewOH · 11m 11 minutes ago
    Admin officials told Bibi that if he’s reelected, his egregious ambo to US, Ron Dermer, co-plotter with Boehner, has to go.

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    mainmata says:

    The Illinois Idiot, the Peoria Scammer, Rep. Aaron Shrock (R-Dalton Abbey) resigned today. As a Gooper, he thought grifting was OK for a Congress Critter. He now realizes that he needed to have been a bit more subtle about the grift. I’m sure he’ll go on to other scams and low life schemes.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @beltane:

    If Obama was half the tyrant they say he is, he’d freeze it.

    I’m really disappointed in him.

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    Elizabelle says:

    As if there weren’t enough boobs on display already in Playboy ….

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    Cervantes says:

    @mainmata:

    You changed it!

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    Botsplainer says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    So, just like Hitler would do.

    It’s worse than the ovens…

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Elizabelle: For the win.

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    beltane says:

    @Botsplainer: We’ll hear that saying mean things to Netanyahu is an impeachable offense.

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    WereBear says:

    @Another Holocene Human: Time Warner is being outflanked by the very technology they are bringing to people. They are now concentrating on being the Sports Channel to the world.

    They incur no penalty for being horrible at what they do. It’s like trying to find a competent cell phone company — they’re all draconian and pull stupid stuff. So it’s not like you can go to the competition and get anywhere.

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    the Conster says:

    Hey, whatever happened to BALLGHAZI!!! a/k/a Deflategate? The NFL will be apologizing to Bob Kraft any minute now, amirite?

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    Pogonip says:

    @WereBear: Oops, sorry. Around here Time Warner is (terrible) cable service, didn’t know they even had Internet. Pray for a competitor.

    I myself feel that since modern society is so dependent on computers, Internet service should be a regulated utility like gas or electricity. I’m sure that’ll happen Real Soon Now.

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    JWR says:

    Dick Cheney is a f***ing coward. He defines cowardice to a tee. ‘Nuff said.

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    tybee says:

    @Central Planning:

    those are such a hoot. my eldest was a participant in a few and now makes his living through technology.

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    WereBear says:

    @Pogonip: I myself feel that since modern society is so dependent on computers, Internet service should be a regulated utility like gas or electricity.

    You are right. But for action to happen, history teaches that a bunch of the population has to realize that. And a lot of them just don’t pay attention.

    The world just IS. And they never seem to get how much control they might have.

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    raven says:

    @tybee: What’s up? Go to the parade?

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Pogonip: In the Big Rock Candy Mountains.

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    JPL says:

    @the Conster: Last I heard there was one ball and the pats asked the refs to examine it.
    The Benghazi thing bothers me because the repubs don’t care about those that actually died. They just want Hillary.
    also, too .. .we live in sick times.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @JWR: If I received a heart transplant, I’d be curious as hell about the person who had it before me.

    From what I’ve read, Cheney hasn’t given it a thought, and doesn’t care.

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    a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q) says:

    @askew: I’m sorry to read of your loss. Even when it’s not entirely unexpected, it’s still difficult. Especially when there was a predicted longer period. You and your family are in my thoughts.

    My father died 20 years ago today, and I still miss him fiercely.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: Ya know, you couldn’t use a character like Cheney in a novel. He’s too exaggerated, and the symbol of the removed heart is too on the nose.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: And being pro-war while seeking deferments from Vietnam. If I submitted it as a novel, the publishers would say I was over-doing it.

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    tybee says:

    @raven:

    nah, was downtown but didn’t bother to wade through the crowds. heard it for a while but saw none of it.

    afterwards, there was a bagpipe group wandering through the streets playing…was kinda cool to hear.

    a bunch of drunks wandering through the streets as i headed out to the island. same old, same old.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @JPL: I think I might actually find myself obsessing over who the donor was, if I had someone else’s heart. When Cheney was asked, he brushed off the question. Politely, but he was like “who gives a fuck?”

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    raven says:

    @tybee: 30 years in Georgia and I’ve never been. Of course I never went to the one in Chicago either.

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    the Conster says:

    @JPL:

    The NFL is a sick fucking institution that needs to die for its sins.

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    satby says:

    @askew: Very sorry to hear of your dad’s passing askew. Condolences to you and your family.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @efgoldman: Hee.

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    catclub says:

    @Poopyman: In Mississippi?

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    Botsplainer says:

    @beltane:

    We’ll hear that saying mean things to Netanyahu is an impeachable offense.

    A terrible thing to do to our bestest friend and Greatest Ally of ALL TIME.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Keith G:
    People who look at the world and see what darth sees are clinical. They have the info, but they refuse to see reality. Somewhere in his past all the positive fuses in his brain, melted and what is left is this broken fuck of a human.

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    JPL says:

    @the Conster: Deflategate served a purpose. There were more viewers this year than evah!

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    WereBear says:

    @efgoldman: Yes and the FCC ruling pleased me very much!

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    Kropadope says:

    @Pogonip:

    I myself feel that since modern society is so dependent on computers, Internet service should be a regulated utility like gas or electricity. I’m sure that’ll happen Real Soon Now.

    Didn’t the FCC move to do just that like a couple weeks ago?

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    mdblanche says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: I always assumed that Cheney performed the surgery himself.

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    Baud says:

    @efgoldman: Is that the one who was on Jeopardy?

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    Ruckus says:

    @askew:
    Sorry for your loss.
    Dad passed away after years of suffering from Alzheimer’s. Was very sorry to see him go but very relieved that he no longer suffers. Remember the man, his accomplishments and his love. The pain will subside allowing the memories to flourish. It gets easier. Trust me.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q): You never get over losing the good ones.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    This sounds sadly familiar, almost darkly funny, but I’m gonna keep hoping for a day or so

    Haviv Rettig Gur @ havivrettiggur · 2h 2 hours ago
    @ speechboy71 Don’t worry about low show for left. Big cities where left is strong closed ballots late. Left’s show will rally toward morning

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    mdblanche says:

    @geg6:

    I can’t wait to take a giant shit on that fucker’s grave.

    If I get shit on my dancing shoes, I’ll know who to blame.

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    CaseyL says:

    @askew: So sorry for your loss. Hugs to you and your Mom.

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    beltane says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: Former Balloon Juicer Emily Hauser’s twitter feed has been a wealth of information on the Israeli election. She says the only political price Netanyahu will pay will be for not being far enough to the right.

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    raven says:

    So the Illini are playing AT Alabama but we are the home team because of construction of the aren in Champaign and we are being destroyed.

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    WereBear says:

    @Ruckus: I recently finished a biography of J Edgar Hoover.

    It was a very in-depth look, and it was also shocking to read. He had incredible power, used FBI agents as his personal butlers and gardeners and chauffeurs, and accumulated a personal fortune by underhanded means.

    From the outside, he lived like a king and made Presidents afraid to fire him. Sweet deal.

    But I am convinced he was never happy. No one really liked him, and he knew it. He was insecure and paranoid and miserable for decades. He kept his position with a delicately balanced game of blackmail with organized crime and highly-placed politicians, and towards the end he was terrified of being murdered.

    I happen to think that Cheney is like that. Miserable people spread misery.

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    trollhattan says:

    @mdblanche:
    Wish you two would get out of the way, I’m tryin’ to take a leak here.

    They’re going to need crowd control. “Number two-thousand seventy-five, now serving two-zero-seven-five.”

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    different-church-lady says:

    Am I a terrible person to hope Obama is also the last president of his lifetime?

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    WereBear says:

    @efgoldman: Nicely done! You have mentioned her before.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @askew:

    I am so very sorry. Sending you {{{{{hugs}}}}} and sending white light to your dad.

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    RSA says:

    @askew: You have my sympathies.

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    @geg6:

    I can’t wait to take a giant shit on that fucker’s grave

    You’ll have to find it first. In death, as in life, he’s going to be hiding underground in an undisclosed location.

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    SFAW says:

    @geg6:

    I’ll spend my life savings just to do it.

    You could crowdsource (or whatever you hipsters call it) the money . The only problem I see is you deciding where to retire, since I expect you’d exceed your goal about a hundredfold within the first 24 hours (if it even takes that long).

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    PurpleGirl says:

    @askew: Condolences to you and your family. I hope you can find peace and comfort in remembering the good things about his life. And that he passed at home.

    (I continue to be mad at the universe that any number of friends, BJ parents, people who we like (like Terry Pratchett) die and that pustule that is Richard Bruce Cheney is still alive.)

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @different-church-lady: I think the whole point of Liz (Dick Jr) jumping the line to run for Senate was to give him some form of political vindication before he snuffed it. One of many reasons I’m glad she face-planted like Shemp Howard stepping on a banana peel.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @different-church-lady:

    Am I a terrible person to hope Obama is also the last president of his lifetime?

    I had to read and ponder that a few times before I figured out that the antecedent to “his” referred to Cheney, not Obama himself.

    ETA: Oh, and to answer your question? No, you are a good and practical person for hoping that.

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    WereBear says:

    @trollhattan: I picture it as those long, snaking lines like at DisneyWorld.

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    mdblanche says:

    @efgoldman: But isn’t that “doctor” Cheney in his ceremonial vestments?

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    Ruckus says:

    @WereBear:
    That’s what makes them clinical. All the information is in front of them, all the choices are there. But every time they make a decision, it’s the wrong one and when it goes wrong they always blame someone/everyone else. They may even, like Hoover seems to have, know what’s what, but they have no skills nor desire to actually fix things. Problem is people like this frequently get “ahead” because they just step on/crush anyone in their way up. When they reach the top they have no idea what to do, other than keep shitting on anyone in their way. Sound familiar?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: I suppose it would have been more clear if I had included the Cheney quote I was riffing on.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    I’m getting a little tired of you beating me to the punch.

    Of course, if I weren’t so lazy, I would have seen yours before I wrote mine.

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    Ruckus says:

    @trollhattan:
    I like your scheme there but I think you are off by a rather large multiplier.
    I was thinking that close to a million a day would line up to piss and crap on his grave, thereby making it smell better and giving the grass a chance to grow back, after the earth is scorched by his presence.

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    WereBear says:

    @Ruckus: When they reach the top they have no idea what to do, other than keep shitting on anyone in their way. Sound familiar?

    Sure does. Which is why I gave up the psychopathic dictator career path, and chose a new major :)

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    And the linked story is by my kid, also too.

    Congrats. Is she the same kid that was on Jeopardy?

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    Baud says:

    @efgoldman: She seems to be accomplishing the work of several.

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    Ruckus says:

    @WereBear:
    The other side of a career as a psychopathic dictator is that while there are opportunities they are slim and the competition is pretty fierce what with each of them shitting on each other. Example, the republican party.

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    trollhattan says:

    @efgoldman:
    BYU is still there for y’all.

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    phoebes-in-santa fe says:

    @askew: Askew, an old Jewish prayer says that we live on the hearts of those who love us. And I’m sure that’s true of your father.

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    Valdivia says:

    @askew: so sorry for your loss. abrazos.

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    Tehanu says:

    The only tragedy here is that Cheney isn’t making these remarks from the defendant’s chair at the Hague. Or the gallows.

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    Cervantes says:

    @efgoldman:

    not too fond of those of Semitic persuasion. ETA: For that matter, Silber wasn’t either (I was witness to an anti-Semitic rant) even though about half his student body and alumni donor base were Jewish.

    John Silber’s father was Jewish. An aunt was killed in Auschwitz.

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    Suzanne says:

    @askew: Hugs to you and yours. The new normal is so hard. I hope you find some comfort soon.

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    Suzanne says:

    @geg6: I smile, thinking about pinching a huge buttloaf right on top of that rotting, rotten fuckstain. I wonder how many poos will have to be scraped off of it.

    MUAHAHAHA.

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    Ruckus says:

    @Suzanne:
    I’m thinking enough that large earth moving equipment will be required. On the other hand, it could just be left there. Could a better memorial be found?

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    dww44 says:

    @askew: Late to this thread. It’s tough losing a parent no matter how long a life they’ve led and it’s particularly tough if one wasn’t expecting to lose one quite so soon. My condolences to you, your Mom, and all your family.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @askew: That sucks. My condolences.

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    Joel Hanes says:

    @trollhattan:

    I’m tryin’ to take a leak here

    “Posterity will ne’er survey …”

    George Gordon, Lord Byron

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    Suzanne says:

    @Ruckus: The flies will really add that certain je ne sais quoi.

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    WaterGirl says:

    @askew: My heart goes out to you, askew. We lost my mom 30 years ago, but reading what you wrote just now transported me back in time. It’s so hard and it hurts so much, and the shock adds another terrible layer to your loss. I hope you were able to say everything you needed to say to your dad while he was still here, that can bring a lot of comfort in a truly terrible time. If not, then you can find comfort in knowing that he surely knew how much you loved him.

    For us, it was the opposite of your dad going sooner than expected. They gave my mom 6 months and she made it to 18, which she said was decidedly not a blessing. I will never forget her saying that you should have as much time as you need to get your affairs in order, and not a day longer. We can’t know how your dad felt about all that, but I think my mom would have envied him his peaceful end.

    It was almost harder for me after the funeral was over and everyone went home and I was left with the terrible reality that my mom was truly gone. You will surely have a rocky road ahead of you, just remember to put one foot in front of the other. You will get through it. I’m glad you are there for your mom.

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    Anne Laurie says:

    @askew: My condolences on your loss.

    From experience, I think the missing-step-plunging-into-the-void sense after a parent’s sudden death is even worse than the grim-countdown-towards-eternity variety, so for once, I’m serious.

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    askew says:

    Thanks for the condolences and the good thoughts everyone.

    It was good to get together with family tonight and remember good times. It is still so weird. We keep waiting for him to come down to dinner and none of us can sit in his seat. My mom is doing a lot better than I expected.

    I am planning on working from her home next week so she at least as someone in the house. It’s not the same, but hopefully will make her feel less alone. One of the benefits of being single is that I am used to being alone.

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    Cervantes says:

    @Joel Hanes:

    Nice — and that noble at least has the decency to kill himself when he couldn’t answer his critics.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @WereBear: for the record, boost mobile has been really fucking decent to me

    of course they’re on sprint towers so if sprint coverage in your area sucks so will boost coverage, but I don’t do a lot of rural time so I’ve been very happy

    they count me “on time” even when I’ve been up to a day and a half late paying… yes, they cut phone service off but they credit your payment right away. good for me b/c i’m forgetful. and they text you to remind you but I forget anyway because I’m special like that

    I know someone who eagerly got t-mobile when they were Deutsche Telekom and proceeded to get screwed repeatedly by their billing department

    very very happy with boost

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    Sherparick says:

    Re Cheney: This is what happens when you don’t prosecute a war criminal. First of all it is all strawman Obama because the real Obama has very much (as any reader of Nation, Daniel Larison, Andrew Bacevich, Chris Hedges, Truthout, Glenn Greenwald can attest) has very much been a President who has sustained the Post WWII and Post Cold War American Hegemony) and willing to kill to do so (as the thousands of dead from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, etc, can attest). Second, the irony of how “Cheney/Bush Administration” created a more “peaceful and prosperous” world is a gobsmacking denial of facts. Dubya put Cheney on the bench his last two years on office (notice the coolness between them since), because his policies had been so idiotically destructive.

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    Sherparick says:

    @askew: Words are never enough, but it all we have. Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

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    Sherparick says:

    Also, it should be noted that Dick Cheney thinks Richard Nixon was a great president by the standards he uses. He truly is an oligarch and believes in oligarchy. His dismissal of Michael Brown’s death shows the man is an authoritarian monster.

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    grandpa john says:

    @geg6: that will be a good way to payoff the debt that he and his unfunded war produced. I am sure that many others would join in

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    C.V. Danes says:

    @Sherparick:

    Re Cheney: This is what happens when you don’t prosecute a war criminal.

    Exactly. The fact that Cheney is not spouting this crap from a jail cell at the Hague continues to make my head explode, especially given his culpability in the CIA torture scheme.

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    SFAW says:

    @efgoldman:

    Don’t know if it’s still true, but I think the Latter Day Saintses once were not too fond of those of Semitic persuasion.

    Lotta that going around.

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