Our Long National Nightmare Blog Slapfight Is Almost Over

Haha, not really! It’s only just begun because, according to CBS News, Hillary Clinton will address EmailGhaziGate this very day:

A source close to Hillary Clinton tells CBS News that the former secretary of state will speak publicly about her use of a private email account, rather than a government address while she was secretary of state. Last week, the New York Times first reported that she used only her personal email account while she was secretary of state.

Reporters are being told that Clinton will talk about the issue at the United Nations this afternoon, where Clinton is speaking at an [sic] women’s empowerment event.

Will she throw Obama under the bus? Kick Kerry in the junk? Toss Bill into Turtle Bay? We’ll find out this afternoon! Cue a thousand Drudge Sirens!

ETA: Link to live presser stream here.






240 replies
  1. 1

    I am so bored of Hillary and Jeb already. I could care less about this stupid email server controversy.

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    mikefromArlington says:

    Will this be her Reverand Wright speech?

    Lol. :)

  3. 3
    Amir Khalid says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:
    That’s “couldn’t care less”. Tsk, tsk.

    I did say we (well, you guys over there) should wait about a fortnight to see if this emailghaziGate thing has any legs before you fret about it sinking the Democratic party’s only probable candidate for 2016. It’s not even halfway tp the end of that fortnight. So far, I don’t see it picking up any real steam.

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    NotMax says:

    Based on how adroitly she has handled other such things, we’ll all come away knowing less.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    Good God. The woman takes a small fire and is pouring gasoline on it to put it out.

    Has she learned nothing from how Republicans deal with this shit? Aaron Schock spends 100 large on remodeling his office, gets caught hiding private air expenses as “software”, and refuses to even talk to reporters about it. And, as far as he and his career are concerned, problem solved.

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    Belafon says:

    What if this is just a setup by Obama in order to distract us from the Iranian negotiations?

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    Kropadope says:

    Are they gonna ask her about the gang of 48 morons and their love letter to Irani hardliners?

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    Big ole hound says:

    HRC and her bullshit could allow the GOP full control of all three branches of government, President, Congress and Supreme Court. I’m glad I’m too old for it to matter.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @Kropadope: That would be 47. It’s a memorable R number.

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    NotMax says:

    about her use of a private email account

    Depends on what the definition of “use” is.

    /couldn’t resist

  12. 12

    @Amir Khalid: I had written that and then I changed it, I has a confused!

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    Kropadope says:

    @Big ole hound:

    HRC and her bullshit could allow the GOP full control of all three branches of

    You forgot “for a generation” or perhaps “for an eon.” I think in the latter case it may bleed into future lives.

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    geg6 says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    The polls are telling me that, as usual when it comes to the Clintons, John Cole and his minions here on this issue are running around with their hair on fire for no reason. People don’t give a shit even when asked directly about it.

    Anecdotally, not a single person I work with had even heard about this and, when I explained, were puzzled as to what the fuss is all about. They are much more appalled that Senator Pittypat claims to have never used email.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    I could care less about this…

    You could?

    ETA: redacted, because someone else got to it already>

    ETA ETA: Aw, screw it, I’m leaving it here.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    Oh thank God, I was just getting the shakes from not being able to shit on the Democratic frontrunner.

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    Mike E says:

    Hmm, eat’d by FYWP…

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    @different-church-lady: Ok I ar guilty of a grammar faux pas.

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    Bobby B. says:

    Mistakes were made. The passive voice was used. The people were not in shit-giving mode.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Nothing personal, I just have contractual obligations…

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    Cervantes says:

    @Kropadope:

    it may bleed into future lives

    Now that is what karma means.

  22. 22
    gene108 says:

    Cue a thousand Drudge Sirens

    Drudge Siren?

    Our bloghost is all the Siren I need :-)

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    scav says:

    @geg6: Bit of an off season exercise program? Not that we’re graced with much of an off season anymore.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Kropadope: Hell, this is so bad it might endanger FDR’s run for a second term.

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    GregB says:

    So can we safely assume that Secretary Clinton is no longer the working class hero for white conservatives?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @gene108: That’s more sort of a car alarm that goes off whenever a stiff breeze rocks the thing.

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    Botsplainer says:

    @GregB:

    That role is now reserved for Scott Walker or Rand Paul.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Botsplainer: And couldn’t be more proud. (At least on this one thing.)

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    Amir Khalid says:

    End of next week, okay? If at that time people (i.e. the general public, not just the media and political junkies) are unhappy about this, then you start worrying. Not before.

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    Pogonip says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Yes, you is, but I still agree with you that it’s boring.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Amir Khalid: Worry is not a circumstance; worry is a raison d’etre.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Pogonip: You think I’m going to let this slide, you got another thing coming. This is not a mute point. We’ve got to nip this kind of stuff in the butt.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Amir Khalid: I’m worried that the general public isn’t worried about this. Not just in Hillary’s case, but Mitt, GW, and every other secretive prick that gets caught doing this to the sound of a collective yawn.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @different-church-lady: You need to loose the attitude. People can say whatever they want irregardless of how you feel.

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    Kropadope says:

    @different-church-lady: That’s deliberate, right? Cuz damn

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    Mike E says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: More importantly, I find the lack of faith disturbing.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @Amir Khalid: wise words

    and a somewhat cromulent field report

    Cruz makes a joke about how Clinton would be there if a foreign nation would have footed the bill. Crickets basically
    Sam Stein @ samsteinhp · 1h 1 hour ago
    This ain’t CPAC. Dead silence as Ted Cruz tells firefighters union he wants to abolish the IRS and repeal Obamacare

    the stuff “about foreign donations” (scary organ riff here) is the one that irritates me. First of all, are people really gonna argue that the Clinton Foundation is the reason we have a hypocritical and confused policy with Petrol States for that last I don’t know how many decades? secondly, I am deeply deeply skeptical of the Clinton magic, but since this will be a Beltway/Sunday Show story, I think this is one case where Bubba can turn on the bullshit-shooter and turn things around “are you telling me that providing clinics and food programs to impoverished nations is a bad thing, Chuck/Mika/Mark?”

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I always take pedants with a grain assault.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Kropadope: For all intensive purposes, yes.

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    jeffreyw says:

    @Bobby B.: Fields of fuck went fallow.

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    jeffreyw says:

    @raven: Saw it, what you done did.

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    Elizabelle says:

    Here’s yet another problem with Hillary: I started to type up “and I hope she takes the #47traitors to task, because that’s how we roll” …

    and realized the moment she mentions them, the 47 are cultural heroes to the right and anyone susceptible to listening to the rightwing.

    And it becomes “Hillary said, we said”. And something that’s an awful precedent (a Senate letter to a foreign power, disrespecting the President of the United States) falls down the maw of he said, she said, nothing to see here.

    So maybe she won’t say much at this presser, or maybe she can snark on twitter (!).

    Why it would be great to have a fresher face as our indomnitable, inescapable, inevitable frontrunner.

    I guess Biden can be out on front of this one. Not like the Sec of State ever negotiated any treaties on behalf of the US.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I understand that there could be problems with foreign donations. There could be problems with any donations.

    But is the MSM really going to have a fit over Algeria donating for earthquake relief in Haiti?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @different-church-lady:
    You left out a circumflex in être. I’m impressed to see you doing it in two languages.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    You left out a circumflex in être.

    I could care less.

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    cmorenc says:

    GOP political junkies have long been convinced that somehow, there’s something there in Benghazi-gate that can be ginned into a scandal having legs. And they’re right – it does have legs, has from day one had legs – but only among the 27% who are already, have long been among the “true believers” in their base. To the rest of the electorate, they might as well be trying to herd cats. If there’s any real problem with Hillary’s email and the whole Benghazi matter, it’s that it reinforces the determination of the 27% to turn out to vote, whereas the total lack of concern over these things by the other 73% unfortunately does not translate into much, if any additional motivation to turn out to vote. And therein lies the real problem with the Hillary emails and the Benghazi matter.

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    Josie says:

    @different-church-lady: @Just Some Fuckhead: Y’all are so funny, I laughed alot.

    ETA: It was actually painful to type that after years of correcting it on English papers.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    If you folks aren’t going to scream at each other about HRC’s shortcomings, I ain’t hanging around. I have other stuff to do, spreadsheets ekcetera.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Botsplainer:

    That role [working class hero for white conservatives] is now reserved for Scott Walker or Rand Paul.

    Which might be good, because once they open their mouths, particularly Walker, and people start realizing what their policies will mean for the working/middle class — both more vulnerable than ever before… Rand Paul will get a little more attention, from glibertarians.

    I hope Elizabeth Warren is in heavy, tireless rotation for whoever is Democratic nominee in 2016.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    This ain’t CPAC. Dead silence as Ted Cruz tells firefighters union he wants to abolish the IRS and repeal Obamacare

    So mature adults do turn out to political events.

    @Betty Cracker:

    I always take pedants with a grain assault.

    Celiac nightmare

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    jl says:

    @geg6: I hope Cole is taking deep breaths and calming himself before the storm, which is coming.

    If she’s preserved her emails and let’s the proper authorities (not the GOP) screen them and turn them over according the records preservation laws and regs, then this scandal will evaporate, except as an obscure and increasing indecipherable meme in the wingnut echo chamber, described by ornate signifiers and jargon that few understand.

    If not, then it might be a problem. People just have to wait and see.

    History indicates that there will be serious trolling by the GOP and the press on this. The coverage has been ridiculously biased in my view. What supposed journalist asked Obama if he was ‘disappointed’ as an opening question on this topic? The reporting on this is still inexcusably sloppy and full of editorializing.

    I don;t think I am a mindless Hillbot, I want to see her seriously contested in the primaries, as I think the 2009 Deomcratic primary was healthy for the party. I’m not going to be trolled either, especially when I know there are known and relentless trolls on the prowl.

  54. 54
    Ryan says:

    The next six months are going to be crucial in determining the prospects of a Clinton campaign.

    Not really, I just like to employ Friedman Units to pathetic situations.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @jeffreyw: _

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    Woodrowfan says:

    I heard about emailbengazigate from two different people this weekend. One is a Dem who will vote for her no matter what if she’s the nominee. His attitude was “what the f was she thinking?!” The other was from a winger who went on about how much he liked Darryl Issa and how he’d get the the bottom of it.

    This will hurt her a bit, mostly with the low info voter who hears about a scandal and doesn’t know anything about it, doesn’t even know if it’s a real scandal or not, but “knows” that “something happened”

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    Patrick says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist:

    Ted Cruz tells firefighters union he wants to abolish the IRS and repeal Obamacare

    If he abolishes the IRS, how in the world is he going to pay for the war in Iran that he is advocating? Or does he like the rest of the GOP did with the Iraq war, think wars are free?

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Patrick: If he abolishes the IRS, how in the world is he going to pay for the war in Iran that he is advocating? Or does he like the rest of the GOP did with the Iraq war, think wars are free?

    It’s a volunteer army, isn’t it???

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    El Caganer says:

    Is today going to be the one for Hillary to become the Democrats’ John McCain?

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    Patrick says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    Right. I’m sure Ted Cruz will be volunteering to be on the frontline…

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    raven says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: In a FREE COUNTRY!

  62. 62
    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    OT:

    Ben Birnbaum @ Ben_Birnbaum · 44m 44 minutes ago
    #Israel polls getting interesting Labor up by 1-3 seats, right bloc down to 64. If gap gets to 4-5, Netanyahu is done

    I’m gonna wait a few days before I hope on this, just like I’m gonna wait to panic about Hillary’s implosion, but I hope BiBi has some acid reflux and jet lag

    @Woodrowfan: I agree, and it would really help her if she started offering a rationale for her candidacy beyond “Clinton = the good ol’ days” and “first woman president”

  63. 63
    eric says:

    EVERY cycle i have to listen people say “[insert number] [insert time span] is a lifetime in politics.” and every cycle i get to see it ignored EVERY time. no one can know what will matter during the primaries or the general.

    I just need to point out who won the Guliani-Clinton race in 2008.

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    Botsplainer says:

    I hate people.

    Yesterday, I spent time patiently explaining to a couple of potential new clients that continued methamphetamine use would make it impossible for the mother of the pair to get her kids back from the state (biodad perished of liver failure back a year or so ago). Also, claiming to the social worker that her phone is tapped makes it seem like she’s in a doper delirium, as she’s an unemployed hausfrau. After tears, back and forth mugging about my disbelief in the phone taps and anger at my suggestion for cooperation with CPS and potential inpatient rehab over the meth/xanax thing, they left in search of a lawyer who would listen to their claims about the outrage of taking the kid without expecting any sort of substance abuse treatment.

    Today, I got to hear from somebody who lost her kids two years ago that the state hasn’t proved anything against her and that she wants the social workers involved prosecuted for lying on her.

    I really, really fucking hate people.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    In other news, I’m impressed that the president of the U of OK closed that fraternity, gave everyone in it something like 48 hours to move out, and said he hopes they leave the university.

    When you think of all the stuff that’s happened at various schools, that’s decisive action.

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    jl says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    ‘ It’s a volunteer army, isn’t it??? ‘

    I remember during the depths of failure in the Iraq war, how patriotic GOPers who patriotically love the patriotic warriors who volunteered to serve their country, can go stuff it if they complained about brutal rotations. They volunteered and they signed an oath and they will damn well do what they are told. AKA, the country can use those chumps and then throw them away.

    The extreme tribal authoritarianism in the right wing is an extremely odd thing to watch, and frightening. Increasingly hard ard for me to understand the mindset of the true believers.

    On a much lower level of gut level disgust, but just a disturbing, I’m reading in the news that FL has banned the use of the word ‘climate change’ in environmental and climate review department for disaster preparation.

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    JustRuss says:

    Meh. I’m glad this is out now, no way it has the legs to make a difference in 2016. It’s fodder for firing up the base, but so what? If Hilary didn’t do anything wrong, they’d make something up. Exhibit A: Obama the Kenyan Muslim Socialist.

  68. 68
    Botsplainer says:

    I hate people.

    Yesterday, I spent time patiently explaining to a couple of potential new clients that continued me7h@mphetamine use would make it impossible for the mother of the pair to get her kids back from the state (biodad perished of liver failure back a year or so ago). Also, claiming to the social worker that her phone is tapped makes it seem like she’s in a doper delirium, as she’s an unemployed hausfrau. After tears, back and forth mugging about my disbelief in the phone taps and anger at my suggestion for cooperation with CPS and potential inpatient rehab over the me7h/xan@x thing, they left in search of a lawyer who would listen to their claims about the outrage of taking the kid without expecting any sort of substance abuse treatment.

    Today, I got to hear from somebody who lost her kids (two years ago) that the state hasn’t proved the neglect against her and that she wants the social workers involved prosecuted for lying on her.

    I really, really fucking hate people.

    I also hate WP for making me struggle to come up with substance names.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    This ain’t CPAC. Dead silence as Ted Cruz tells firefighters union he wants to abolish the IRS and repeal Obamacare

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: I know Cruz is a lying sack of crap, who is less likely to “abolish the IRS” than I am to shit a gold brick in the next half hour. However, that he thinks the same line of red meat bullshit that gets him cheered on by the tricorn hat crowd will get him cheers everywhere points out that he’s either spectacularly stupid and unimaginative (that’s my bet) or pathologically delusional.

    I guess there’s no reason it couldn’t be both.

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    eric says:

    @Iowa Old Lady: kinda hard for Stoopes to recruit football players and make money for the school with that kind of press. totally mercenary call, with the benefit of being correct.

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    eric says:

    @Botsplainer: it what city do you do this insane work?

    ETA..assuming chicago

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    The Moar You Know says:

    @Botsplainer: Kudos. You have the world’s second shittiest job. Public defender being the first. I have one ex in each of those fine fields, the stories they have are hilarious if you can get over the big picture issue that every one of them is a profound tragedy. Which you have to, to be able to do the job in the first place.

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    raven says:

    @eric: One 4a recruit bailed already.

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    NotMax says:

    @Iowa Old Lady

    Collateral damage: the longtime cook.

    Would be nice to find him quickly offered another job on the campus.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @NotMax: It occurs to me that cell phone videos are changing everything. This kind of crap is much more horrifying when you see the pictures.

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    cmorenc says:

    @jl:

    I want to see her seriously contested in the primaries, as I think the 2009 Deomcratic primary was healthy for the party

    I seem to have missed out on this “2009 Democratic primary”. Maybe what happened then would help explain some of the things I failed to understand about the 2008 Democratic primary.

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    Matt McIrvin says:

    @jl: The Bowe Bergdahl thing nearly drove me around the bend. Not that I thought Bergdahl was necessarily innocent of desertion; that was a thing for other people to decide. It was the instantaneous way he went from Hero Martyr of Freedom that Obama had heinously abandoned, to Two Minutes Hate object (along with his entire family!) who should have been abandoned, the millisecond Obama had him rescued. If Obama did it, there had to be a reason it was wrong, and it didn’t matter who got stomped into the mud as a collateral effect.

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    Cacti says:

    O/T I’m not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet, but…

    The Ferguson Municipal Judge has resigned his post, one day after the Missouri Supreme Court removed him indefinitely from hearing any cases.

    Yes, Darren Wilson will sadly get away with what he did, but maybe the DOJ can kick apart that ant hill of corruption that governs the town of Ferguson.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @schrodinger’s cat:

    There is nothing wrong with “I could care less.” That is what the idiom has evolved into. Everyone knows what it means. It’s figurative.

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    max says:

    @schrodinger’s cat: Ok I ar guilty of a grammar faux pas.

    I’m sorry. Did you type that? It’s ‘I R guity ov grahmer pho pa.’ dammit.

    max
    [‘Kids these days.’]

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    NotMax says:

    @Iowa Old Lady

    Paging Mr. McLuhan. Mr. Marshall McLuhan, please pick up the white courtesy videophone.

    :)

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    srv says:

    Target Corp. said Tuesday morning that it is cutting the jobs of 1,700 people and will leave another 1,400 open positions unfilled, the first time it has put specific numbers on the big downsizing at its Minneapolis headquarters it announced last week.

    Thanks, Hillary.

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    trollhattan says:

    I think she should toss Turtle at Bilbo Baggins.

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    scav says:

    @Cacti: i thought he just resigned the one post, he’s got multiple in the area. I’m having trouble with your link loading (mr pad does that) have more of his musical chairs fallen?

    also

    @NotMax: Or get that oh so ballyhooed old boy’s network to cough up a job. Or.2, even the national org (for the PR if nothing else) could push things, although these might involve a move, which might not be something he wants to do.

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    jl says:

    The very feasible and practical GOP plan to solve the Iran nuclear issue:

    ‘ When Cotton’s interviewers asked him for an alternative approach to the Obama administration’s negotiation, he called for “complete nuclear disarmament by Iran. ‘

    Tom Cotton: Joe Biden Has Been Wrong About Everything For 40 Years (VIDEO)
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/l.....years-iran

    The video is worse than the quote. Cotton seems to think that bombing could wipe out Iran;’s nuclear program as easily as it did for Syria and Iraq. And threats like that will make them come to the table and agree to All Righteous US Demands.

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    jl says:

    @cmorenc: Sorry for the typo. I meant 2008.

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    eric says:

    @gogol’s wife: that is literally insane!

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    Peale says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: a

    re you telling me that providing clinics and food programs to impoverished nations is a bad thing, Chuck/Mika/Mark?”

    After last summer’s freakout about helping ebola patients in Africa and wondering if Hispanic children were the harbinger of doom who we might as well put right into prison since that’s where they’re all going anyway those disease-ridden gang bangers…I don’t think helping people carries the cache you think it does. Humanitarianism, secular humanism, all the same works of the devil.

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    Iowa Old Lady says:

    @trollhattan: Are you saying Tom Cotton is a Hobbit? Maybe Rosie’s brother?

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    JPL says:

    The President just arrived in Atlanta and at least the local media will cover his visit.
    I believe that the speech in Selma was one of his best but that received little notice among MSM. Geez Hillary used a private email.

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    NotMax says:

    @jl

    “complete nuclear disarmament by Iran. ‘

    Um, Earth to Cotton: Iran has no nuclear arms.

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    Cervantes says:

    @NotMax:

    See? He’s so effective that all he had to do was to make the demand.

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    Peale says:

    @jl: The more the war hawks talk, the more I hope Iran gets the bomb. It doesn’t make sense for Iran not to have them.

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    eric says:

    @NotMax: but have you seen her nuclear legs? wowza!

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    Peale says:

    @NotMax: I think he means “Iran surrenders and appoints Tom Cotton its Spiritual Leader and stops being so Muslimy.”

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    NotMax says:

    @eric

    The internet is so-o-o in need of an emoticon for rimshot.

    \__/

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    cmorenc says:

    @jl: I know – it was just an accidental typo, and I was being a smartass momentarily channeling my inner asshole. But sometimes, it’s as hard to resist riffing off a typo. The point you were trying to make was a good one, however.

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    Kay says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Has she learned nothing from how Republicans deal with this shit? Aaron Schock spends 100 large on remodeling his office, gets caught hiding private air expenses as “software”, and refuses to even talk to reporters about it. And, as far as he and his career are concerned, problem solved.

    I think there’s truth to that. Democrats are explainers. It never, ever works though. It should work, but it doesn’t. Maybe it will this one time.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Matt McIrvin: Cleek’s Law. Immutable.

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    catclub says:

    @The Moar You Know:

    Has she learned nothing from how Republicans deal with this shit?

    The Clintons survived their eight years of crises MORE popular with the US people than they started out. Bill has become ever more popular, Hillary is favored by over 80% of democrats, which is a much better position than she was in in 2007.
    So her lack of learning is showing no evidence of failure. We may not like the experience, but the US population has not soured on the Clintons. No matter how many times the media tells you that it has.

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    PaulW says:

    I hope to God she has physical evidence tying Bill O’Reilly to her email server. That would be hilarious watching the fallout from that.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @gogol’s wife: Maybe everyone “knows what it means”, but it literally means the opposite of what the person is trying to say. (And “literally” in the literal sense, not the figurative sense.)

    So yeah, in a different situation I wouldn’t pick on it, but here we’re expected to be playful.

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    catclub says:

    @Kay:

    It never, ever works though.

    Obama is known for looking at the long term and not panicking about the present crisis. In the long term, as I just posted, the Clintons have been winning for the past twenty- twenty five years, in spite (perhaps because of) all the crises and explaining that ‘never works’.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @PaulW:

    …tying Bill O’Reilly to her email server.

    Based on what we know of his proclivities, he might like that.

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    PaulW says:

    @NotMax:

    Cotton doesn’t care. All he cares about is selling the talking points that WE NEED TO BOMB IRAN TO SHOW WE’RE MANLY, and OMG AXIS OF EVIL, and then sell more shares of FearMonger Election Rigging Inc. when Iran does get the bomb in order to keep the U.S. from acting more like a Republican Bag of Dicks any further.

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    PaulW says:

    @different-church-lady:

    I’m gonna have to go re-read Sunstone to get positive BSDM images back into my head. That was just sick and wrong what you dumped on me there. SHAME.

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    The Moar You Know says:

    I think there’s truth to that. Democrats are explainers. It never, ever works though. It should work, but it doesn’t. Maybe it will this one time.

    @Kay: I tell my wife this all the time: if you’re explaining, you’re losing. And it’s so true, and not just in politics.

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    Alex S. says:

    The entertainment value of her campaign, not only against the Republicans but also against some Democrats, is going to be immense. I’m just happy that I find her likeable enough so I can watch it without suffering from Hillary derangement syndrome.

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    chopper says:

    @gogol’s wife:

    There is nothing wrong with “I could care less.” That is what the idiom has evolved into. Everyone knows what it means. It’s figurative.

    but this begs the question, why did the phrase change?

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    srv says:

    Panos Kammenos, the Greek defence minister, warned that if the eurozone allowed Greece to go bust it would give EU travel papers to illegal immigrants crossing its borders or to the 10,000 currently held in detention centres.

    “If they deal a blow to Greece, then they should know the the migrants will get papers to go to Berlin,” he said.

    “If Europe leaves us in the crisis, we will flood it with migrants, and it will be even worse for Berlin if in that wave of millions of economic migrants there will be some jihadists of the Islamic State too.”

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    JPL says:

    What time is the news conference?

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    WereBear says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: This ain’t CPAC. Dead silence as Ted Cruz tells firefighters union he wants to abolish the IRS and repeal Obamacare

    It might just be me, but every time I see Cruz’s face, I hear Dan Ackroyd’s character from Ghostbusters saying, “He’s an ugly little spud, isn’t he?”

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    catclub says:

    @Kropadope:

    You forgot “for a generation” or perhaps “for an eon.”

    I am also running out of knickers to twist. Help!

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Alex S.:

    I’m just happy that I find her likeable enough…

    UNFORCED ERROR!

    (Why yes, this comment is dripping with irony…)

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    different-church-lady says:

    @chopper: What you did there: done seen it.

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    Davis X. Machina says:

    Is she going to embrace the public option?

    I mean, it’s still the single biggest issue facing Democrats, and America, in this the second decade of the new century, isn’t it?

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    Botsplainer says:

    @eric:

    it what city do you do this insane work?

    The People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Louisville, where beetle-browed commissars oppress hard working white people by taking their kids for the imaginary crimes of drug impaired neglect and narco-raging physical abuse.

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    Jim, Foolish Literalist says:

    @JPL: about 1:40 eastern

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    eric says:

    @Botsplainer: i lived there for years. my dad and one of my brothers are there. i visit the commune regularly.

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    JPL says:

    @Jim, Foolish Literalist: So about the same time that the President is suppose to speak at GA Tech. I wonder which one the MSM will cover.

    Thanks

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    Put aside for the moment the near-treason or near-sabotage or possible-(but-probably-not)-violation-of-the-Logan Act:

    Why are so many older Senate members suddenly okay with all these upstart freshmen pulling the spotlight on themselves? It seems to have started four years ago with Rand Paul and then, two years later, with Ted Cruz. Now comes this Tom Cotton, who has been a Senator for all of two months.

    I’m pretty sure there used to be really strict (and strictly enforced) rules of Senate protocol. Senators in their first terms (especially in their first two years), were expected basically to sit down and shut up. They were given the most obscure of committee assignments, and nothing in leadership until they had built up some seniority. In general, maiden speeches on the floor were anodyne affairs.

    But it seems a lot of that has just disappeared in a squid-cloud of ideological fervor. Do the old-timers suddenly care so little about the perks of seniority that they are willing to just roll over and let these upstarts hog the limelight like this? It’s very puzzling.

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    samiam says:

    The only thing I find unbelievable about this is how Hillary’s email account getting more echo chamber both sides do it attention as Republicans who are intentionally trying to subvert a sitting president and arguably are violating the Logan Act by sending a letter to Iran.

    Then you have morAns like Cole who play right along with it. Don’t believe me. In the past few days how many blog posts have you seen from Cole regarding the the Republican letter to Iran. Compare that to his non-stop whining about Clintons email account.

    Why does anyone doubt Cole is still a Republican on some levels?

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    max says:

    @different-church-lady: Based on what we know of his proclivities, he might like that.

    He seemed to be more into pegging.

    Which will TOTALLY work fine if Hillary gets up and announces she’s a lesbian communist terrorist who intends to install a new gynarchy.

    max
    [‘Bill was dodging bullets with her in Bosnia anyways, so they’re old pals.’]

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    samiam says:

    The only thing I find unbelievable about this is how Hillary’s email account is getting more echo chamber both sides do it attention as Republicans who are intentionally trying to subvert a sitting president and arguably violating the Logan Act by sending a letter to Iran.

    Then you have m0rAns like Cole who play right along with it. Don’t agree? In the past few days how many blog posts have you seen from Cole regarding the Republican letter to Iran or any one of a long list of things infinitely worse than ClintonEmailgate? Compare that to his non-stop whining about Clintons email account.

    Why does anyone doubt Cole is still basically a Republican on some levels?

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @catclub:

    I am also running out of knickers to twist. Help!

    How about pearls to clutch? You got enough pearls?

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    samiam says:

    The only thing I find unbelievable about this is how Hillary’s email account is getting more echo chamber both sides do it attention as Republicans who are intentionally trying to subvert a sitting president and arguably violating the Logan Act by sending a letter to Iran.

    Then you have idiots like Cole who play right along with it. Don’t agree? In the past few days how many blog posts have you seen from Cole regarding the Republican letter to Iran or any one of a long list of things infinitely worse than ClintonEmailgate? Compare that to his non-stop whining about Clintons email account.

    Why does anyone doubt Cole is still basically a Republican on some levels?

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    Bystander says:

    Here in NYC, we are watching how the media whitewashes reality as Cardinal Egan is buried. He had a terrible record on sexual abuse by clergy in Connecticut, so he was elevated to St. Patrick’s bishopric. While here he somehow managed to run off to Rome in the days following 9/11. Criticism of his terrible decisionmaking/cowardice by firefighters and their families has now been forgotten. Well, except for the fact that there does not seem to be any actual crowd at St. Pat’s.

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    different-church-lady says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:

    Why are so many older Senate members suddenly okay with all these upstart freshmen pulling the spotlight on themselves?

    Tea Party stole the handle and the train, it won’t stop going, no way to slow down.

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    Kropadope says:

    @samiam:

    In the past few days how many blog posts have you seen from Cole regarding the Republican letter to Iran or any one of a long list of things infinitely worse than ClintonEmailgate?

    I gotta say that I think that Hillary screwed the pooch on that email thing, but the focus on it has been way disproportionate. I’m getting bored of bashing HRC. I didn’t think that could happen.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @gogol’s wife: it’s wrong and ambiguous. If you don’t mind sounding illiterate, though, knock yourself out.

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    beltane says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: The unwritten rules have changed. The Senate is no longer a club so much as it is a stage where the actors perform the parts they are paid to perform. Sen. Cotton, for example, is just doing the job Bill Kristol, et al. have put him there to do: http://freebeacon.com/politics.....ep-cotton/

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @samiam:
    For you, a free arithmetic lesson: three times nothing is nothing.

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    Cacti says:

    @samiam:

    Why does anyone doubt Cole is still basically a Republican on some levels?

    I assume you didn’t mean to triple post this, but I’ve never doubted it.

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    beltane says:

    @Kropadope: The Republicans and the media have always bashed the Clintons for the wrong reasons.

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    Kropadope says:

    @beltane: Right, cuz it would destroy the narrative if they bashed her for the right reasons.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    The only thing I find unbelievable about this is how Hillary’s email account getting more echo chamber both sides do it attention as Republicans who are intentionally trying to subvert a sitting president and arguably are violating the Logan Act by sending a letter to Iran.

    Then you have morAns like Cole who play right along with it. Don’t believe me. In the past few days how many blog posts have you seen from Cole regarding the the Republican letter to Iran. Compare that to his non-stop whining about Clintons email account.

    Why does anyone doubt Cole is still a Republican on some levels?

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    msdc says:

    Kick Kerry in the junk?

    I like Kerry, but I like this turn of phrase even more. Let us to our utmost to add it to the national political lexicon.

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    Cacti says:

    @beltane:

    One of the more amusing facets of the Obama Presidency has been the villagers’ newfound, and phony nostalgia for Bill Clinton.

    I’ve no doubt that a future Democratic POTUS will prompt equally phony fond memories of President O someday.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: um, four?

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    scav says:

    @Bystander: Large chunks of the news media are chattering non-stop in no small way to themselves: spinning, weaving and snipping the redemptive narrative arcs that is required for ‘mercan blockbuster status; preening in front of their even-handed mirrors and preparing for their vital gatekeeper role closeup. We are nevertheless left with the nagging issue that certain members of the larger public are likewise buying into the crafted theoretically-inspired narrative. But actual actively gazing eyeballs aren’t really required, so long as the advertising theory posits their presence. But online-gaming economies and identities are bleeding into the “real” world, this might just be the eqivalent moving in the opposite direction. No wonder it’s confusing.

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    Punchy says:

    So OU bounced 2 fuckers for their racist bullshit, but wont name them? Isn’t publically naming them the first step in showing all the remaining closet racists how much trouble they’re in? It’s the public shame (read: Google) that will follow them forever….why is OU so reluctant?

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    different-church-lady says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: Did you mean to post that just once?

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    Elizabelle says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    @beltane:

    beltane answered it better. Starting to think GOP congresscritters see themselves more as “entertainers” and provocateurs than legislators.

    Anyway, the harder it is for McConnell and Boehner to herd those cats, the safer for all of us.

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    SiubhanDuinne says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    In defense of samiam, those were actually three completely different comments. He changed morAns to m0rAns to idiots.

    See? Totally not the same.

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    Wouldn’t it be great if the DNC could get us excited about a dream team of D legislators and target GOTV in certain congressional districts?

    That would be great and also a change in strategy where they usually ignore or fuck over candidates in tough districts, focus GOTV in cities to put POTUS candidates over the top (hey, it’s needed), spend gobs of money on ads that don’t even reach the right people and basically run Kerry 2004 over and over again IMO.

    What if we could get fired up and ready to go about flipping House seats? What a wonderful world that would be.

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    Bobby Thomson says:

    @different-church-lady: who says it was just once? ;)

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    Another Holocene Human says:

    @Bystander: Soon they’ll bring back that old Roman custom of paid mourners.

    Hey, if Teamsters can hire day laborers to do informational pickets….

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    muddy says:

    @WereBear:

    It might just be me, but every time I see Cruz’s face, I hear Dan Ackroyd’s character from Ghostbusters saying, “He’s an ugly little spud, isn’t he?”

    I call him Living Caricature Ted Cruz.

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    Tommy says:

    @Another Holocene Human:

    spend gobs of money on ads that don’t even reach the right people

    I spent 15 plus years in the advertising industry. Advertising is all about reach and frequency. Back in 2000 our media department had access to data that would blow your mind. We NEVER placed an ad where we didn’t know exactly who was going to see it.

    Now I don’t have a media department so I don’t have access to that data.

    With all that said I wonder if my district, where a Republican won for the first time in 70 years might have won because he bought like every third ad on Hulu. All the polls had the Demo up by 2-4 points. The Republican won by 5+ points.

    Maybe a lot of people like myself, that use my cell as my landline were not polled and watching Hulu and Netflix and not cable. Just thinking out loud that maybe the media landscape is changing and I hope whoever we put up hired somebody not named Penn who will buy media that actually works.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Yeah, totally different. Not that he has any more of a point, though. Cole is still Cole, true, but the current-since-2005 model would vote for Hillary, or any Democrat over a Republican, even if he does tend to fret too much over the details.

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    dww44 says:

    @Elizabelle:

    Anyway, the harder it is for McConnell and Boehner to herd those cats, the safer for all of us.

    Exactly what I’ve been thinking since, oh, about January 6th or so. If they were functionally legislatively capable, we’d be morphing back to the 19th century at warp speed.

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    Just Some Fuckhead says:

    @Punchy: They are white kids. That makes them inherently good and capable of transcending this youthful indiscretion.

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    muddy says:

    @SiubhanDuinne: It’s great when someone puts so much near duplicated effort into their complaint that someone else is posting something too much. Huzzah!

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    Kropadope says:

    @muddy: Oh, irony. It makes for clever snark

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    Punchy says:

    @Just Some Fuckhead: I recognize the snark, but I still want a god damn answer! Why aren’t these LEGAL ADULTS being named? Why is the university unable or unwilling to tell us their names?

    /pounds fist on table, scares dog

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    Elizabelle says:

    Apropos of nothing, this week ends with Friday the 13th.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Punchy: Public shaming, it sounds so spiteful, so ugly, so….Republican.

    I suppose you want embroider all their clothes with a big scarlet B for bigot also?

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Punchy: Possibly because of privacy laws and/or university policy on disciplinary actions. People have been having a field day here speculating on the Rasheed Sulaimon dismissal because Duke cannot make any public comment on any investigation.

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    Calouste says:

    @Punchy: It can’t be because the family of those (now former) students are big donors to the university, now can it?

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    lethargytartare says:

    @chopper:

    but this begs the question, why did the phrase change?

    well played sir, well played indeed.

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    Punchy says:

    @Kropadope: I’d love to “embroider” their resume with the stink of racism, yes. Spiteful? Really? It’s too much to ask that these racist fuckers and their ilk (and there’s a sizeable ilk on the OU campus) are for a long time stained with this? These adults knew what they were doing was offensive, these adults reveled in their offensiveness, and you’re implying to just forgive and forget? No way.

    Can’t stop racism until you fully expose it (read: the assholes that expouse it).

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    Mandalay says:

    @Punchy:

    It’s the public shame (read: Google) that will follow them forever….why is OU so reluctant?

    Because they are probably in physical danger now, and there might be legal issues?

    Regardless, their identities won’t remain secret for long.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Botsplainer:

    beetle-browed commissars

    I;m going to work this phrase into my daily conversations. It needs more exposure, even if y’all could care less. :-P

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    Tommy says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: I can’t speak to the legal issues, but OU is a public university. Wouldn’t the students, all students, just be part of the public record? Maybe things have changed since I was in college in the late 80s but I am 100% sure I could get a list of all the students and that was before the Internet.

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    trollhattan says:

    @muddy: Between the nearly literal sourpuss and dull-blade bandsaw voice Herr Senator Cruz is the nation’s most naturally repellant high-profile politician. And that’s before he begins using his words.

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    scav says:

    To a certain extent, the public shaming is going to come anyway as it’s ever so likely to leak so the University probably just doesn’t want to get out on the liable edge. Also, getting their names out might only focus the attention on how they’re suffering, how they’re impacted. The NYT already has a quote from an alum brother going on about how “The guys that actually did the chanting, trust me, they feel worse than anybody in the country right now.” oh, it is so totally about their delicate sensibilities (although he at least admits they messed up, nicely left unspecified as to what was the mistake). The fate of a single fraternity house and two delicate contrite cuddly “boys” (being boys) with shining futures versus chronic institutionalized, diffuse, casual and overt racism, oh the quandry of where the scales of sympathy will fall.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Punchy: These are college students. Young folk do dumb shit all the time. Everyone does dumb shit all the time. The idea of punishing someone for life for behavior they engaged in in private is frightening. What you’re suggesting comes awfully close to criminalizing speech.

    What they did wasn’t illegal. It was wrong and they’ve been punished for it. Why have it follow them their whole lives?

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    trollhattan says:

    @SiubhanDuinne:
    Per my spouse one may never have “enough” pearls. Of course, once the oysters all lose their shells….

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    The Moar You Know says:

    So OU bounced 2 fuckers for their racist bullshit, but wont name them? Isn’t publically naming them the first step in showing all the remaining closet racists how much trouble they’re in? It’s the public shame (read: Google) that will follow them forever….why is OU so reluctant?

    @Punchy: Because they’re going to get the shit sued out of them for tossing those students out without a rule in place to do so, and there’s no reason to give the lawsuit any more ammo than it already will have.

    Plus –

    It’s the public shame (read: Google) that will follow them forever….why is OU so reluctant?

    you’re really OK with someone being punished for the rest of their lives (and they would be) for something that’s not even a crime? WTF? I guess we can go back to life sentences for weed under that philosophy.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Kropadope:
    There’s also the possibility of making them RW martyrs, not in a literal sense but in the “Another victim of the PC Police” sense. (Right, Rush?) We have a large supply already.

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    Kropadope says:

    @trollhattan: I don’t give a flying fart about what the right thinks. It’s plain wrong.

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    Tommy says:

    @Kropadope: I have to kind of agree with you. I was President of my frat. I tried to make some changes, like no hazing. But I look back at that time in my life and can’t wrap my mind around some of the dumb things I did. I wasn’t running around using the N word but I also wasn’t the person I am now. Not even close.

    Maybe I am too touchy feely but if I was running OU I’d take a different approach. Make them do some community service. Take a course or so on the Civil War and African American studies. But more than anything just sit them down and talk to them. Explain that what they did wasn’t just wrong, it was hateful and here is why.

    IMHO just kicking them out of school is the easy way out.

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    gogol's wife says:

    @chopper:

    Okay, “begs the question” I cannot abide!

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    Mike J says:

    @gogol’s wife: Thank you.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Kropadope: Yeah, I’m kinda leaning that way too. Remember those two assholes from Rutgers who webcast the guy’s gay roommate’s hookup — driving the roommate to suicide — and became the object of a massive, life-ruining Internet pile-on? I felt like they deserved it; someone died because of their actions. But it was still a pretty ugly instrument of justice.

    In the case of these OU assholes, it seems like overkill. What they did was appalling, and there should be — and have been — consequences. But should they be hounded from the company of decent people for the rest of their lives? Seems like an out-sized punishment for the transgression to me.

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    Tommy says:

    @Kropadope: What gets me about their “song” wasn’t as much as the use of the N word, no matter how bad that was. It is them saying “hanging from a tree” that made me almost throw up a little in my mouth.

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    Elizabelle says:

    I’m proud of David Boren, U OK president, for closing the SAE House so quickly.

    I know some suggest he did this to save the college’s football/other sports programs.

    May I say that, as a former governor, Senator, and Chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Boren may be absolutely appalled at the public face Oklahoma presents (Senators Inhofe and Coburn, and now this), never mind the nation at large, and was ready to strike at a nest of vipers.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Another Holocene Human:
    Rep. Donna Edwards (D-The Elizabeth Warren Wing) is the latest progressive to toss her hat into the Senate ring, announcing today that she will seek the seat being vacated by Maryland Democrat Barbara Mikulski. Though she has served in Congress for six years now, Edwards is fundamentally an insurgent: The community activist won her seat after toppling a hawkish, centrist incumbent in the Democratic primary, and as a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Populist Caucus, she’s been at the forefront of the effort to move the Democrats leftward on issues like austerity, a living wage, foreign policy, and civil liberties. Befitting her congressional service, Edwards plans to run as an unabashed progressive populist.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    Has a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus and the Populist Caucus ever been invited on the sunday morning talk shows? I don’t watch those shows that much (weak stomach) but I don’t recall any of them being asked to weigh in on anything.

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    scav says:

    At the same time, having the lifetime and privacy to learn from one’s boyish mistakes (cofortably in the same environment even) is rather a luxury item. Buying skittles isn’t even a mistake and jaywalking, mouthing off or playing with popguns in public are fairly common minor ones.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Tommy: Back in 2000 our media department had access to data that would blow your mind. Now I don’t have a media department so I don’t have access to that data. That’s a good thing though, isn’t it?

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    @Betty Cracker:

    I know there’s really no way to separate genuine remorse from ass-covering “remorse,” but it would be nice to see an apology along the lines of, We understand that singing that song was hurtful and we’re sorry rather than the non-apology We’re sorry of anyone was offended by our totally innocent and traditional song that we’re going to get.

    IOW, I would like to see some evidence that these college students actually learned that their actions were wrong, not that the reaction to those actions was wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.

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    Tommy says:

    @Elizabelle: What he did was pretty common. Very common. The frat I was a part of and President of about 10 years later did some very racist stuff. The state University came down on them like a ton of bricks. They got, to use a NCAA phrase, “the death penalty.” Took them almost another ten years just to be recognized on campus as a frat.

    This worked out well in the end. My frat was known as the drug place. I was the only person out of 60 guys that had a GPA above 3.0 much less 3.5. Now the House is known as the frat where people are smart. Do community service.

    OU could take a different path here and I really wish they would.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone): Not from their house mother. Have you seen her?
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/201.....-and-over/

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    Elizabelle says:

    Does anyone remember the name of that fraternity kid who was hospitalized a few years ago, Southern school I think, for ingesting beer through his anus?

    Yeah, me neither.

    (Although would not like to be him when potential employers Google him.)

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    Punchy says:

    @The Moar You Know: Ah…the “it aint illegal, so let it go” standard. By that standard, none of us should be shaming George Zimmerman, right? He didn’t break any laws, right? Eric Garner’s killer just a misunderstood policeman, undeserving of any ridicule since he committed no crime either, right?

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Elizabelle:
    I know people take in alcohol through the back door to get themselves drunk a little faster, but does the beer taste better that way?

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    Tommy says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: LOL. Kind of I guess. Now I just look at Google Analytics for the sites I do and Sprout for social media. Just another type of data to look at. You might not want to click on the Sprout link because I fear you will be stunned at the level of data I can gather on you. I am about to launch a huge e-Commerce site and social media campaign for a client, raging liberal like myself, when I showed him the data I could gather he said, “Tommy I am not comfortable with this. Let’s not do this.”

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    geg6 says:

    @Punchy:

    Well, it could be that they are prohibited by a little law called FERPA.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Amir Khalid: If we can ever remember that kid’s name, we can ask him.

    Think it was a fraternity prank, maybe hazing, that involved tubes used in creative ways.

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    bemused says:

    @Germy Shoemangler:

    Just wow. Before that video surfaced she said she had never heard of that racist chant. She looks pretty drunk to me in that video so I’m wondering if the frat boys got her plastered and if she drank with the boys often.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Punchy:

    By that standard, none of us should be shaming George Zimmerman, right? He didn’t break any laws, right?

    Yes, he did. He wasn’t held accountable for some of them, but others he has.

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    geg6 says:

    @Tommy:

    You can get a list of students, but you can’t provide information about student aid, disciplinary actions, grades, counseling or health records. Protected by federal privacy laws. And I really don’t think anyone here who thinks this through would really be very happy if we got rid of those federal privacy laws.

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    Mike J says:

    @Mnemosyne (iPhone):

    but it would be nice to see an apology along the lines of, We understand that singing that song was hurtful and we’re sorry rather than the non-apology We’re sorry of anyone was offended by our totally innocent and traditional song that we’re going to get.

    You’ve already gotten a real apology from the frat.

    We apologize for the unacceptable and racist behavior of the individuals in the video, and we are disgusted that any member would act in such a way. Furthermore, we are embarrassed by this video and offer our empathy not only to anyone outside the organization who is offended but also to our brothers who come from a wide range of backgrounds, cultures and ethnicities. Our leadership acted swiftly to the video and closed the chapter within hours of learning about it. Preliminary findings from our investigation validated the involvement of chapter members from the University of Oklahoma in the video.

    Before you complain about what they’re going to do, why don’t you look at what they did?

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    shelley says:

    @Elizabelle: Didn’t we already have one?

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    scav says:

    Speaking of rhyming boyish behavior and consequences, beeb has that Clarkson is suspended. Still looking for details.

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Tommy:

    I can’t speak to the legal issues, but OU is a public university. Wouldn’t the students, all students, just be part of the public record?

    From the info page on FERPA:

    Schools may disclose, without consent, “directory” information such as a student’s name, address, telephone number, date and place of birth, honors and awards, and dates of attendance. However, schools must tell parents and eligible students about directory information and allow parents and eligible students a reasonable amount of time to request that the school not disclose directory information about them.

    So yeah, if someone could get a student directory from last month and one now, and compare them for all 30K students, they could narrow it down. But the university is not going to issue a press release identifying the students expelled. Between Duke and UNC-CH, this has been a hot topic here.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @geg6: Some of us just have to keep calm until this all peters out. Save the heart attack for when Secretary Clinton eats a live baby on T.V.

    I’m sure the “liberal media” will gin up more so-called scandals on Mrs. Clinton to keep us entertained through the 2016 elections and to help out the GOP Clown Car candidate.

    The prize is another Democratic President. The focus should be on keeping the Republicans out of the White House for the foreseeable future. Period.

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    srv says:

    @Betty Cracker:

    At least one female voice can also be heard in the cheering. On Monday night, it was revealed that the Delta Delta Delta sorority was on the bus with fraternity members.

    Time to burn some Tri-Delts!

    Daily Mail is posting pics and taking names.

    The conductor of a sickening racist chant by a University of Oklahoma fraternity has been identified as a graduate of an elite Catholic school in Dallas.

    Rice graduated last year from the prestigious Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @shelley: Yeah, we had Friday the 13th last month, in February, and the next one’s in November.

    It did seem kinda recent, but not even 30 days …

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    Tommy says:

    @geg6: And just to be totally clear I don’t want to get rid of those federal privacy laws either. I was just saying that you should be able to get a list of students. Then the Internet does what the Internet does, and figures out who the students are in a matter of hours if not minutes.

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    geg6 says:

    @Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:

    Huh, you should be here at Penn State. FERPA, background checks (state police, child abuse and FBI criminal checks)…we’re all experts here now and we’ve all had to be cleared on them in order to keep our jobs. Funnily enough, Jerry Sandusky would have passed all of those background checks.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Punchy: Actually, I’m shocked that OU expelled any of those students. Good to hear.

    Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences. Not sure why so many people have a hard time understanding this.

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    The Thin Black Duke says:

    Hey, before people start feeling sorry for these racist jerks from OU, let’s remember that they are rich white kids born on third base who are lifelong members of The Lucky Sperm Club. They’re connected, their futures are predetermined and this ain’t going to impact their lives in any meaningful way five years from now. Fuck ’em.

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    Mary G says:

    Paul Waldman wrote a great column at American Prospect yesterday that sums up my feelings exactly:

    Why Liberals Don’t Trust Hillary Clinton

    Here are the last couple of paragraphs, but the whole thing is worth a read:

    So when you come to liberals asking for their help, it will not be enough to say, “Look how awful my enemies are.” It will not be enough to say, “Think of the Supreme Court.” It will not be enough to say, “Imagine how historic this presidency would be.” Yes, those enemies are awful, and yes, the Court’s future is ample reason to vote for any Democrat, and yes, a woman president is long overdue. But that isn’t enough, not nearly.

    No one asks for or expects perfection, but liberals need to know that you grasp the full depth of the responsibility you now carry. The fact that you have little primary opposition may seem like a relief, but it confers upon you a profound burden. You have to be better—not just better than the other side, but better than you’ve been before. The stakes are impossibly high. Liberals want to put their faith in you, but they still have reasons to doubt.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Nuance, Patricia.

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    Elizabelle says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: Yeah, if anything, we will have to watch for the first of these SAEPatriots elected to congress.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Kropadope: I have no pity for them whatsoever. I don’t care if what they did follows them their entire lives. Many Black people go through hardships every day of life just for being Black. These kids should learn a hard lesson about engaging in racist conduct.

    So, no I could care less about what happens to these White kids. Tough.

    Kudos for the person on the bus who released that video. He/she is my hero. Hope they come out of the shadows to explain the circumstances under which they shot that video. I assume he/she was shocked by what was going on in that bus.

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    Tommy says:

    @srv: I am so lucky, and I never did shit as stupid as those OU students, that I went to college in a time without cell phones. The pics or videos that could be out there of me, just happy they don’t exist.

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    srv says:

    Jesuit College

    Texas rich kids can’t get into Texas universities because of the Top 10% Rule, so they have to export these kids to other states. You will shortly be hearing about how Affirmative Action caused all this.

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    Timurid says:

    Banning the frat from OU is a no-brainer. Fraternities are not necessary for a college education and operate at the pleasure of the university. If a frat is more trouble than it’s worth… good bye. But expelling students for being racist dicks in private? By that standard you’d likely have to boot hundreds of students at OU alone. If these students had intentionally made their song public on their website, Facebook page, etc. or performed the song in a public place (or even at a frat function open to the public), they’d deserve everything they get for attempting to taunt/intimidate/threaten outsiders. Especially by using a song that explicitly promotes violence. But they didn’t do that. This going public was basically a fluke. Again, it could have happened to hundreds of other students at that school alone (and I’m probably being conservative). Just think of any dorm room bull session about a racially charged topic. It might not be set to verse, but much of what might be said, especially in a group of white Southerners speaking in what they assume to be a “safe” setting, could be equally disturbing.

    The rationale might be that because such exposure could happen so easily today with the prevalence of camera phones, CCTV cameras, etc., any “private” discussion should be assumed to be public. But that will open an immense can of worms. The OU administration will likely be inundated with reports of racist speech happening behind closed doors. How will they respond? The real fun starts when some enterprising College Republican types trick or provoke students of color into using racial slurs in front of a hidden camera or microphone…

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    Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism says:

    @Tommy: Yeah, compare last month’s student directory with the one after it’s updated to reflect the expulsion. Which might take a week or two; I doubt that’s a high-prority task in the middle of a semester. You can opt out of being in the public directory, so you’ll only have a short list of people who have opted out and people who have left for other reasons. Then cross-reference that with a list of SAE members.

    @geg6: Yeah, I was hoping you’d weigh in. But just in case you weren’t around…. :D

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Elizabelle: Or they’ll show up on Fox News like Mark Fuhrman (another infamous racist)

    Hilary Clinton is about to speak now.

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @The Thin Black Duke: I don’t feel sorry for the racist jerks, but don’t members of The Lucky Sperm Club generally end up somewhere more prestigious than OU? (I’m not dissing OU — I went to a cow college / football school my own self! I’m just saying there weren’t many Vanderbilts to hobnob with…)

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Timurid: Sorry but as a Black woman, I have zero sympathy for racists, whether they are acting racist in private or in public. Makes no difference to me. These racists got caught because one of their own videotaped their misconduct and revealed it to the public. Too bad. Perhaps if more White people did this, racists wouldn’t feel so comfortable in voicing their vile opinions so brazenly.

    All this weeping for racists on this website is downright creepy. Why don’t you start a GOFUNDME account for them?

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    Betty Cracker says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Live feed upstairs for those who care to watch online…

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    Elizabelle says:

    fresh thread up, on the so far not happening press conference.

    Like the cable yokels, we’re all staring at a blank wall.

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    Amir Khalid says:

    @Elizabelle:
    In any non-leap year, if there’s a Friday 13th in February there’s obviously going to be one in March as well.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I’m not weeping for them, I’m saying they got what they deserved. Sorry I believe in principles like learning from one’s mistakes, redemption, rehabilitation, and proportionality.

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    Germy Shoemangler says:

    @Patricia Kayden: Agreed.

    Dangerousminds posted some beautiful photos of women of color from the 19th century. Most of the comments that followed were fine. But there were a few from white woman who assumed the photos were of “courtesans” because they were “too well dressed to be kitchen help”

    They were appropriately corrected by the other commenters.

    http://dangerousminds.net/comm.....n_of_color

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    srv says:

    @Betty Cracker: Jesuit and Bishop Lynch have around ~2K students.

    Not everybody can go to Harvard. They can’t even get into UT or A&M., let alone Rice. Highland Park has 2K students also, and most of them go out of state now to 2nd Tier schools.

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    muddy says:

    @Betty Cracker: @Betty Cracker: I went to OU for a year decades ago. The Greek system there was pretty disgusting then and it was racist as hell. WIth SAE and triDelts being the top of the social pyramid. They weren’t the rulers of the universe, they were bankers kids and auto dealers kids etc. Privilege but not like Ivy privilege. I had a mid-level Halliburton kid as a suite-mate.

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    Tommy says:

    @srv: Is it wrong to go to college in another state? By all accounts the University of Texas is a wonderful school. OU isn’t something to laugh at. I have a MA. My father a PhD. I am the only person, that attended college as an undergrad, in the state I lived in. We often went to school many miles and/or states away.

    I know I can say this and if my father was here he’d say the same, going to school far away from our family, in a different state, different culture was a life alternating experience. Made us who we are. Going from TX or OU seems not to be that hard of a thing to do.

    BTW: I am a military brat and also moved for work. I’ve lived in Louisiana, Texas, Kansas, Illinois, Maryland, Virginia, DC, and Illinois in that order. Moving doesn’t always suck!

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    Elizabelle says:

    @Amir Khalid: Oh. Yes. That makes perfect sense.

    Proof you need to be a front pager!!

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    srv says:

    @Tommy: There’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just most kids, even rich kids, can’t get into UT or A&M now with the Top 10% Rule (see above). Most try, it’s usually their first choice.

    I was at a soccer game at Highland Park (probably top 3 public school in Texas) a several months back. Nobody was going in-state, they were going to Arkansas, LSU, Auburn, OU, KU. The top kids were going to BU and Columbia.

    If you looked at SAE for all these southern/midwest schools, I guarantee the largest contingent in any of them are from Dallas, like these kids in the video.

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    trollhattan says:

    @Patricia Kayden:

    Kudos for the person on the bus who released that video. He/she is my hero. Hope they come out of the shadows to explain the circumstances under which they shot that video. I assume he/she was shocked by what was going on in that bus.

    Maybe they hired Willard’s bartender.

    The only surprising thing about this affair to me is that it’s surprising to anybody.

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    trollhattan says:

    @muddy:
    It’s funny, because you could be describing my small left coast school. SAE and Tri-Delts, baby, although it was at a time when the whole Greek thing was a cultural ebb.

    Put another way: friends and I considered “Animal House” to be a documentary.

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    muddy says:

    @trollhattan: I didn’t know about the Greek thing because I’d grown up overseas. The first week I was there some guy asked me if I was Greek. I was quite confused, who would think that, I’m so ginger. I said I was Irish not Greek, and we were both confused then. Gods know why he asked in the first place, I was a grubby little stoner.

    I had a friend from the dorm who had pledged KD which at the time was seen as the ugly girls sorority. I couldn’t really tell the diff, they were all blond and preppy. I went with her to the sorority house one time, and the girls in there acted like I endangered them by breathing their air. Afterwards my friend says, she hopes my feelings won’t be hurt, but it was a good thing I didn’t try to pledge because I would have gotten no votes. I said I hoped it did not hurt her feelings, but I took that as a compliment.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Germy Shoemangler: Because all Black women in the 19th century were kitchen help. Sigh.

    Thanks for the link, btw. Lovely photos.

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    Patricia Kayden says:

    @Kropadope: What makes you think that they won’t get redemption just because they were expelled? I’m sure they’ll be just fine. I am not aware of this country severely punishing racists for being racists.

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    Kropadope says:

    @Patricia Kayden: I didn’t say that. In fact I’ve said expelling them was the appropriate response a few times. It’s this whole idea of hanging it around their necks in perpetuity that I find offensive.

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    muddy says:

    @Kropadope: Eh, let them struggle to overcome it. Be character building for them and shit.

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    Ben Cisco says:

    Vivian Llodra ‏@qbanqt – 42m

    @BenCisco @elonjames they’ll be fine. Still get to be judges/attorneys/doctors etc & perpetuate their bigotry/racism. #whitetears

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    J R in WV says:

    @Amir Khalid:

    Really bad beer is better that way. Good beer is better across all of your taste buds.

    The best beer needs to condition in a cool dark place before being served

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    @Mike J:

    I thought that was from the national organization, not from the chapter involved. The national organization was not involved in the incident. The apology I would like to see but am skeptical of getting is from the chapter shown on the videotape, not the national board for the fraternity as a whole. Personal responsibility and all that.

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    @Germy Shoemangler:

    I would guess that the woman in the sequined top was probably an actress or vaudeville performer — African-Americans had their own theaters with their own vaudeville circuit since theaters were usually segregated. Same with the woman posed on the couch — it’s a bit provocative for a regular portrait of the period but would not be unusual for an actress or singer. But “courtesans”? Really?

    Black Vaudeville
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Vaudeville

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