Here’s a live feed of HRC’s upcoming EmailGhaziGate presser at the UN, but don’t feel obligated to discuss that.
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Here’s a live feed of HRC’s upcoming EmailGhaziGate presser at the UN, but don’t feel obligated to discuss that.
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David Koch
Look who’s in bed with treasonous GOP Senate #47Traitors
I’m Shocked! I’m Shocked!
BethanyAnne
Back during the Superb Owl thread, I remembered this article on living with owls. Couldn’t find the link then, here it is now. http://www.internationalowlcenter.org/owls-humans/owlsaspets
geg6
@David Koch:
I saw that this morning. He’s really losing it, isn’t he? Not that he had all that far to go, but…seriously?
Germy Shoemangler
ALBANY — Prosecutors from Connecticut, Indiana and Puerto Rico are joining New York’s attorney general in an investigation of the herbal supplement industry.
The new coalition announced Tuesday follows allegations by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman that DNA tests on certain store-brand supplements found contaminants but none of the herbs listed on the label. Schneiderman ordered the supplements off the shelves last month and has requested detailed quality control information from four supplement manufacturers.
Supplement makers aren’t required to disclose to the federal Food and Drug Administration or consumers the information they have about the safety or purported benefits of their products.
Schneiderman says lax oversight of supplements can have serious public health consequences, noting a 2013 hepatitis outbreak traced to a tainted diet supplement.
David Koch
chopper
standing around the corner from my house hoping to see the president. he’s at the local watering hole Manuel’s.
Arclite
“Cue 1000 Drudge sirens”
That cracked me up.
MattF
@David Koch: I’ve managed, so far, to avoid forming a definite opinion about Greenwald– but this is just weird.
Elizabelle
LOL re that bright yellow backdrop that every cable news channel is showing. As they await, breathlessly, on this day with no other important news.
From early morning movie today, Everything Must Go: characters are discussing colors. One has studied them, for marketing purposes.
Expectant mother, discussing nursery color choices: “I kind of like yellow.”
Marketer: “Makes people anxious.”
Germy Shoemangler
A RW Troll on another blog was quoting Pat Caddell. His point in quoting him was to say “look at what this democrat says about you!”
And when I read some of the stuff that comes out of Caddell’s mouth, I wonder if he’s either (A) suffering from dementia or (B) an undercover republican operative from way, way back.
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Elizabelle:
IIRC, that’s why they paint fast food restaurants yellow — the anxiety makes people buy and eat more.
BethanyAnne
@Elizabelle: bright yellow? I see blue.
Hal
GG is being disingenuous. No one is suggesting a senator has no right to criticise. It’s the lengths and level of interference we are seeing from republicans that is being criticized.
Elizabelle
@MattF: Haven’t followed Greenwald! much, but my sense is (1) attention hound and (2) someone who may have had a good point about one issue, but is hardly the oracle he or his acolytes believe.
It is complicated to be President of the U.S., especially if you want to be a good one. It’s not so hard to be a controversy-seeking lawyer/journalist.
David Koch
#47Traitors — trending worldwide for the last 12 hours, number one topic.
The entire world sees them as traitors.
HA!
Elizabelle
@BethanyAnne: Dang it. It’s that dress issue, all over again!
Mike J
@David Koch:
The entire world doesn’t vote in senate races.
Elizabelle
@David Koch: But the no-sleeves wearing MSNBC ladybot just told me we have both #47traitors and #47patriots.
The “patriots” are, natch, saying they have a responsibility to speak out against tyrannical government.
chopper
god damn every police motorcycle in Atlanta has to be here.
The Thin Black Duke
@David Koch: Yeah–but so what? It isn’t as though these bozos are going to suffer any consequences for their treachery, right?
Germy Shoemangler
She’s speaking in front of a Picasso?
Alex S.
OMG, the planets of Glenn Greenwald and Hillary collide!
azlib
@David Koch:
It is one thing to be critical, but it is quite another thing to send a letter to the party we have enaged in negotiations calling into question the good faith of the President.
muddy
@Elizabelle: Just like the founding fathers!! ugh
Mary G
I love that song! I always said that if hell froze over and I got married again, I would play it.
While I was writing and formatting my comment on the thread below, you put up this new one, so I’m going to repost it:
Paul Waldman wrote a great column at American Prospect yesterday that sums up my feelings exactly:
Why Liberals Don’t Trust Hillary Clinton
Here are the last couple of paragraphs, but the whole thing is worth a read:
MattF
@Mike J: I guess Rs simply assumed they’d be applauded for dissing Obama. And when it turns out that some Ds are not pleased, the Rs are just… taken aback.
Face
My guess is that there’s at least 27% that thinks otherwise.
Pogonip
@BethanyAnne: And then Cole complains about dogs…
Karla should get the All-Time Good Sport Award!
Tenar Darell
Instead of watching Gotham re-runs, I watched the documentary Miss Representation yesterday. Anyone else seen it? Thoughts?
Pogonip
@chopper: Why, what’s happening?
Elizabelle
And away we go.
Elizabelle
Yeah, the backdrop is blue. No Q.
Pogonip
@geg6: When do you get the puppies? And aren’t you glad they aren’t owls?
raven
@chopper: I was coming home from Tech the day that day trader shot all them people in Buckhead, talk about cops!!
Citizen_X
@Elizabelle:
The 47 Ronin would like a word with both groups.
Cacti
@Mary G:
We must also have ponies, and lots of them.
Elizabelle
Good! Talk about the traitors! Second, after a plug for better opportunities for women and girls. Yeah!
BethanyAnne
@Pogonip: Expecting her human to stay up with her and hoot for a mate during mating season was the part that still makes me giggle.
Elizabelle
Either trying to be helpful to the Iranians or harmful to the President of the United States, their Commander in Chief.
Zing. I liked that.
David Koch
Hillary just strangled a puppy on stage.
Wow, I wasn’t expect that.. She’s really hardcore.
Cacti
@David Koch:
GG coming full circle and getting back onboard with the neocons.
Amir Khalid
@David Koch:
As I understand, this statement is true as far as it goes — aside from the “1000%” part, that is. The letter itself is all kinds of stupid, as the Iranian Foreign Minister has pointed out, but that doesn’t mean the 47 Senators had no right to send it.
Elizabelle
Since sent to government employees, emails captured and preserved immediately on DOS server.
raven
News flash, you can only use one email account per device!!!!!
that’ll fly
Frankensteinbeck
@MattF: and @David Koch:
Greenwald is a libertarian. Not a ‘civil libertarian’, whatever that is. He hates whoever’s in charge, doesn’t give a fuck about actual civil rights like minority oppression, but is passionate about simplistic, grandiose, magical thinking political issues.
@Elizabelle:
3) and most important, he’s dishonest as Hell. He warps stories almost into unrecognizability, leaves out facts he must know as a lawyer that disprove his points, is the king of half-truths and implying-by-denying, and deals with counterarguments by making exaggerated straw men out of his opponents.
eemom
@Mary G:
Thanks for linking that excellent Waldman piece.
Basically saying the same thing Cole was last night, for which he got tons of undeserved shit from people with shit for reading comprehension.
Elizabelle
OK, I am liking Hillary Clinton in this one. No nonsense.
On a day when the GOP #47traitors helpfully served up nonsense of their own.
Narcissus
…yeah, no tech person in D.C. could figure out how to access two accounts from one device. Right.
Would have been better for her to just come out and direct all the press attention onto that letter.
raven
@Narcissus: That’s some thin shit right there and she keeps saying it.
Elizabelle
@geg6: One puppy, or two?
I can see giving Lovey her own little kingdom, free from always being second dog to Thurston.** Although 2 puppies could be cool too.
** albeit, any puppy will be junior member of the geg pets cotillion.
FlipYrWhig
@Mary G:
How about Waldman makes that “Why I, Paul Waldman, don’t trust Hillary Clinton,” and stops trying to make the claim that all liberals think like Paul Waldman does about Hillary Clinton, or would/should, if not for something something sucking out the oxygen under the bus corporatists DNC. Let’s see some polling numbers about liberals and Hillary Clinton. Because as much as the blogosphere has moaned and sulked about Obama’s many egregious and illiberal acts, the polling keeps find that the people who like him best are… people who call themselves liberals.
Gin & Tonic
@Elizabelle: Well, he’s not Commander in Chief of the US Senate. He is Commander in Chief of the armed forces.
This is a distinction often elided by the right, when civilians referred to, say, W as “my commander in chief.” A civilian does not have a commander in chief.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@muddy: Yeah, about those Founding Fathers, the guys who defined seditious writings as:
and sedition as:
Amir Khalid
@Elizabelle:
I think John Cole mentioned that he and geg6 agreed the puppies should be separated, so she’d only be taking Lovey.
Cacti
@FlipYrWhig:
Now you’ve done it. Get ready for a lecture on who are the “true Scotsmen”.
Belafon
@FlipYrWhig: From a WSJ poll mentioned on Daily Kos: 86 percent of Democrats say they will support Hillary Clinton if she runs.
Alex S.
Somebody should ask her if she deleted a single email during her time at the State Dept. (and right now somebody does that).
Calouste
Said by someone who either is a lawyer or someone who’s only seen lawyers on TV.
Mandalay
@Narcissus:
She keeps going on about needing “two devices” for two accounts. Surely she can’t believe that?
Elizabelle
@Amir Khalid: Yeah, I kind of thought so too.
Hope Thurston goes to someone who will keep us posted on his puppy pictures and antics.
max
@David Koch: Hillary just strangled a puppy on stage.
Wow, I wasn’t expect that.. She’s really hardcore.
Was she wearing a 18 caret gold Apple Watch? Appearance is important when you’re strangling a puppy.
@Cacti: GG coming full circle and getting back onboard with the neocons.
We’re going to invade Iran and liberate it from the NSA!
max
[‘Has she declared the gynarchy yet?’]
Germy Shoemangler
@Mandalay: I’m guessing she means “accounts” when she says “devices” but I’m probably wrong.
raven
@Mandalay: Someone here is sure to chime in and tells us how silly we are being.
Bobby Thomson
@Elizabelle: a peeve. POTUS is the commander in chief of the military, not civilians, and definitely not the Congress. But the intended audience will eat it up.
muddy
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: I thought they were going the Alien and Sedition Act route during the Bush presidency.
Cervantes
@Amir Khalid:
Wait — you actually read the words?
That’s just … inefficient.
David Koch
Bombshell! Hillary just slipped up and admitted to deflating balls for the New England Patriots.
Holy Smoke!
Goodell will have no choice but to come down hard on her.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@raven: I’ve never had a Blackberry, but a quick google suggests that people were having problems convincing them to check multiple email addresses circa 2008.
raven
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: That seems somewhat plausible.
Bobby Thomson
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: yeah, Jefferson was kind of an authoritarian asshole and doesn’t deserve his reputation as a great libertarian.
David Koch
Hillary just slapped one of the whinny reporters and screamed, “you can’t handle the truth!”
Elizabelle
She never wanted to take the chance of sending emails from ClintonAvengerDomanatrix44. So she stuck to the one device … account …
And it’s over. Wish someone had asked a followup on the #47traitors.
NotMax
What, no one asked if the server was powered by Vince Foster’s brain?
David Koch
And like that… poof… she’s gone
Hal
I thinking part of what is keeping this “scandal” going are dems who hoped this would either slow Hillary’s roll or even derail her running.
Belafon
@raven: Who here, considering what we know about our governments tech infrastructure level, would have trouble believing that the interpretation of a required government email would be that it had to be on its own device?
In part, I could kind of see it in the case that you wouldn’t want to accidentally send a government email on a personal account. Having worked with confidential information, a single email on your private account immediately makes it a government account, and everything is now subject to government inspection.
Bobby Thomson
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism: keerect. As a BB user from that era, that’s plausible. The problem is, why that account? Or why not two devices? I carried two devices for years.
Still a lot of nothing, though.
socraticsilence
Ugh…This is a minor snafu, how can she be so bad at handling it- this “one device per account” stuff is only going to fly with people who don’t actually have multiple accounts on a device– so you know no one who uses a smart phone.
Elizabelle
Oh, God, Dana Milbank’s on talking about the Rose Law Office billing records and how the National Archives can’t come in because some emails have already been deleted.
And this is MSNBC.
This was MSNBC. Click goes the remote.
David Koch
Hillary to media: “who’s gonna comb through the emails, you, Lieutenant Weinberg!?”
Mandalay
I’m not keen on Clinton in general, and she didn’t really address the issues, but I love the way she treated the Villagers – with the contempt they deserve.
She looked like a mom looking having to stand around and kill time while she waited for the parents to pick up their dumb kids.
socraticsilence
@Bobby Thomson:
Well its not like she had anyone who could have carried an extra device for her.
NotMax
@David Koch
From your fingertips to the FSM’s shell-like ears.
Patrick
@David Koch:
Yup. But you don’t have the right to send a letter to the foreign leader without consulting our President first. That’s when you earn yourself derogatory terms such as traitor. And rightly so.
Alex S.
Maybe she wanted to use just one device because it would minimize the danger of being spied on by the NSA.
Amir Khalid
I watched just a brief part of this press conference, but it doesn’t seem to me like there’s anything Hillary is unable to answer. My impression is that, unless there’s something troubling in those emails, she’s handling this well enough not to cause herself any future problems.
Iowa Old Lady
I’m going to be really honest here and say I don’t care about this. Compared to crap like Terry Schiavo or union busting or voter suppression, it feels like it doesn’t affect me. You can go ahead and fault me for that, but I’ll bet I represent how most voters react.
Cacti
@socraticsilence:
And further into the weeds we go.
Yes, I’m sure an average voter is going to care deeply about the above.
raven
@socraticsilence: She could have carried it in her shirt pocket and it would have deflected all those rounds fired at her in Kosovo.
Tom Q
@Amir Khalid: You obviously haven’t lived through previous Clinton scandals. For the members of the press or GOP, there’s an infinity of “it raises questions” things they can pretend to reference. They’ll still talk about Vince Foster as some great unsolved mystery.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@raven: I’m trying to remember when it was that I was told to avoid Blackberries because they were too closely tied into RIM’s servers. Instead of contacting the server directly, everything had to be relayed through RIM. Or so certain privacy-obsessed tech people told me.
Pogonip
@David Koch: I hope it wasn’t Thurston or Lovey.
Belafon
@Amir Khalid:
It’s a number of things together. The fact that they are senators sending it in their official capacity is one strike.
The second is the wording. The letter wasn’t a criticism of the talks. It stated that Obama couldn’t guarantee that the US would abide by what he negotiated. They were doing it to undermine the talks, which Cotton admitted was his goal back in January. It is entirely the job of the Executive to negotiate with foreign governments, and the job of the Senate or disapprove. We just go lucky that the Iranian foreign minister knows our constitution better than the 47 do.
There was a third thing, but I can’t remember right now.
Pogonip
@BethanyAnne: Yes, that was a hoot!
geg6
@Pogonip:
Probably only Lovey (but that’s still a bit up in the air), but I’m told at 12 weeks, which should be about 3-4 weeks.
The Dangerman
WTF? One device per account? That’s the best they could do?
Her damage control team will be working overtime.
Elizabelle
Let’s leave aside the press careerists of today, and read about the late Claude Sitton, NYTimes reporter who covered the civil rights struggle from 1958 to 1964. Died this week, aged 89.
raven
@Belafon: The EPA?
Belafon
@Bobby Thomson:
She answered that question. She said that, looking back, she should have carried two, but it was convenient to use one (and it was not required).
David Koch
Hillary’s presser was going well, until the end, when she went “Gone Girl” and pulled a knife from her boot and slit andrea mitchell’s throat.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it distracts the media from her main message.
Pogonip
@geg6: But if you don’t save Thurston, Hilary will strangle him!
Amir Khalid
@Tom Q:
Oh, I did — well, as much as one can from my side of the planet, anyway. What I remember is that the ongoing whispering campaign against the Clintons back then, however successful it was at keeping the Republican base fired up, didn’t do all that much to keep Bill from Presidenting or Hillary from getting elected to the US Senate.
geg6
@Elizabelle:
I have a friend who may be interested in Thurston. If she goes for it, I’ll make sure she updates us all.
Doug r
@Frankensteinbeck: don’t forget he was for w until the Democrats got a majority. He didn’t care about warrantless surveillance until the Democrats started restricting it
Josie
@Amir Khalid: There you go again, being all logical and stuff.
SatanicPanic
@FlipYrWhig: I’m a liberal and I trust her enough to vote for her
PurpleGirl
@David Koch: GG may not realize it but I believe there is huge difference between criticizing a politician and sending a letter DIRECTLY to another government telling them that the Congress of our government will in the future reverse an executive agreement entered into by the current Administration.
GG is an ass.
trollhattan
@Germy Shoemangler:
That would be great, but they have to get past the mighty Orin Hatch to do much to the supplement industry.
David Koch
If nothing else, it was ballsy when Hillary looked straight into the camera and coldly stated, “catch me if you can, bitches.”
NotMax
Amir, if you’re still around, her putting out the term “deleted” will keep this alive and bubbling past the end of the week.
Doug r
@Mandalay: if you link a secure device like a blackberry to an insecure account what’s the frigging point? Better to have one account per device
Elizabelle
More about and from Claude Sitton, late NYTimes reporter and editor; left that paper to become editor of the Raleigh, NC News & Observer. His grandfather was a slave owner and tax collector for the Confederacy.
From the Times obit:
and
He died of congestive heart failure in an Atlanta hospice on Tuesday. I hope he was conscious and aware of the Selma/Pettus Bridge events of the weekend.
Elizabelle
@geg6: Could the sibling puppies meet from time to time? That would be beyond good.
max
@Belafon: There was a third thing, but I can’t remember right now.
They didn’t use their official email accounts.
max
[‘And also fear. And surprise.’]
Belafon
@NotMax: Only here. I’m not even hearing about it from my job, which is mainly conservatives.
Mr.Twister
@Mandalay: Supreme Court aside, I’d say contempt for the Villagers is a great reason to vote for Hillary.
Tom Q
@Amir Khalid: I agree there, but I also remember it spooked Al Gore into running away from a president with a high-50s approval rating, and it’s apparently spooked some here into thinking we desperately need somebody else to run — you know: someone who DOESN’T trounce every GOP opponent.
Of course it’s likely Dems who don’t like Hillary are only pretending this “scandal” alarms them, because it suits their somebody-else goal. Like Bradley Dems in 2000 were happy to fan the Love Story/Gore’s a liar stories.
Amir Khalid
@max:
“I’ll come in again.”
FlipYrWhig
@PurpleGirl: Freedom of speech is absolute for Greenwald, specifically including the Citizens United case, Nazis on parade, and probably including shouting “Fire” in a crowded theater. Why? Because he has one mode, Braveheart Rhetorical Cosplay.
Also, the more people wank on about Hillary Clinton’s smart phone settings, the more the world is going to say, what the ever-fucking fuck is wrong with you that you pretend to care about this?
FlipYrWhig
@Tom Q:
I see you’ve met “askew.”
Tom Q
@FlipYrWhig: He (or she) has made me long for a scroll-by button.
Patrick
@Amir Khalid:
Yes, they had a right to send it. Just like the rest of us have the right to call them traitors for sending it.
Doug r
All this fuss about blackberry. You’d swear they were giving away RIM jobs.
eemom
@Calouste:
Or, has never read a Burnsie comment. [snicker]
David Koch
Hillary’s presser was pretty provocative, especially when she said “Pete Carroll should have gave the ball to BeastMode.”
That’s bound to spark a congressional investigation.
David Koch
Hillary made news when she said “Obama would win a 3rd term if he wanted, not only because he’s been the greatest President in my lifetime, but once you go black, you don’t go back”.
Mike in NC
@Iowa Old Lady: Remember when the ACA website was first rolled out and it had bugs? The Republicans acted like it was the biggest crime since the Holocaust.
Amir Khalid
@NotMax:
Only if this thing grows legs and keeps on running, which doesn’t seem all that likely to me now.
@Tom Q: I count that damage as self-inflicted by Al Gore. Gore could have stood by Bill’s creditable performance as president while condemning his actions as a husband. There would have been no contradiction in that.
Elizabelle
I think our journalists, too many, have become slack and addled. Put up the item about Mr. Sitton, because he recognized evil when he saw it, having been weaned in the American South.
Some of them are consciously or unconsciously rooting for war, because it can be an exciting and career-enhancing thing to cover.
When there is so much in this country to cover, exhaustively, like how there has been an economic war and the middle class and below lost. Decisively. And might not have had to, with different policies. Other countries do this better. We are exceptional in not learning from history. Older countries are wiser, perhaps.
And how half of the Supreme Court is straight out of the 1870s. We used to know better.
And they have to write about it, again and again and again.
Instead of frothing over fake scandals like Hillary and her deleted emails.
max
@Amir Khalid: “I’ll come in again.”
“…as soon as I find my Blackberry.”
max
[‘I’ll bet that Clinton’s email scandal was the best publicity Blackberry has had all year.’]
Patricia Kayden
@David Koch: Writing a letter to a foreign dignitary in order to undermine your President’s foreign policy is not the same thing as criticizing a prospective deal. Never cared for Greenwald so this is not shocking. Funny how he supports the same GOP which is anti-gay in so many ways. Ditto his praise of Putin.
Elizabelle
@Mike in NC: How much coverage has there been on ACA’s projected costs coming in significantly lower than expected?
I know it’s been covered on “progressive” blogs, but is it out there on the network news, and on cable in heavy rotation?
This kind of shit drowns out good news. Well done, GOP and cable news/legacy corporate-owned network news purveyors/enablers.
Amir Khalid
@Patrick:
It’s been pointed out again and again, by people here more expert (and more American) than I, that sending that letter doesn’t fit the US Constitution’s definition of treason.
Pogonip
@David Koch: She switched to puppies because the last time she tried to strangle a kitten the critter darn near clawed her eyeballs out.
cahuenga
“it was convenient and not against the law at the time”
blech
Again, she was a Senator during the Bush Email Fiasco. She knew what was expected and knew it was a liability should it become public. She was also fully aware of the advantages as a future candidate for higher office – Namely, sanitizing rights to her official record… if needed.
Elizabelle
JCole has put up a fresh thread about the Hillary presser.
Elizabelle
@cahuenga: Are media reporting whether all or most of the Bush White House emails were ever recovered?
Haven’t heard any follow up reporting on that in ages. It might be my error that the Bush WH emails never saw the light of public scrutiny ….
cahuenga
@Elizabelle:
No doubt this will blow over like that event did.. Further encouraging the practice.
Patrick
@Amir Khalid:
You know as well as well as I do that there’s a legal term and then there is a term used in popular language. If you don’t, I can give you hundreds of examples of when Republicans referred to Dems as traitors in the run-up to the Iraq war. Last time I checked, they didn’t fit the legal term either.
Maybe you should write to NY Daily News and complain about their headline today.
sidhra
@Tom Q: Wait – isn’t Vince Foster hanging with Bebe Rebozo somewhere in Costa Rica?
Bobby Thomson
@Doug r: RIM shot.
Frankensteinbeck
@Amir Khalid: and @Patrick:
He has a point, Amir. Their actions may not have been technically illegal, but they were a deliberate and undisguised attempt to sabotage foreign policy. They acted against the interests of the United States and violated the spirit of their role in government. They did so well outside even the bounds of shockingly partisan discourse that has become normalized since Obama’s election. ‘Treason’ is not correct as a legal description, but it is the accepted vulgar description of such behavior, particularly since English is short on words to describe their actions that lack legal implications.
David Koch
Hillary did make a big fashion mistake by wearing a gold “Original Gangsta” medallion with blue pinstripe hightop sneakers..
Thank goodness Joan Rivers wasn’t alive to see that.
Cacti
@Patrick:
Greenwald’s doing his usual strawman/trial lawyer routine. Misstating someone else position, then attacking them for a position that they don’t actually have.
GG is no great legal mind, but he has enough legal education to know that negotiating foreign policy is not an ennumerated power of the legislature. It is up to the executive to negotiate, while the senate votes to approve or disapprove. Writing letters to foreign heads of state in attempt to alter the outcome of ongoing negotiations runs up against, and possibly afoul of the Logan Act.
muddy
@David Koch: Hilary Anger Translater?
Amir Khalid
@Frankensteinbeck:
Fair enough.
Patrick
@Amir Khalid:
Amir,
I forgot that English is probably not your native language. So I apologize for making assumptions about knowledge of language. Did not mean to.
Gin & Tonic
@Patrick: I’ve found that Amir oftentimes does better in English than purportedly native speakers.
Patrick
@Gin & Tonic:
You and me both.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
@Tom Q: Pie filter. Or Troll-B-Gone.
David Koch
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Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
Well, that’s a new one. I just got a robocall offering “student loan forgiveness”. I’m currently on hold, waiting to let the (video of) babies talk to the nice scammer.
a hip hop artist from Idaho (fka Bella Q)
@Gin & Tonic: Indeed I’ve noticed that as well.
Amir Khalid
@Frankensteinbeck:
I thought that the proper AmEnglish term was “dick move”.
Tree With Water
I really enjoy the NFL. I also like to think that Titans QB Jake Locker is pointing the way by retiring today. He is retiring after a few short years as a millionaire, who is moreover still in seemingly good physical shape. Patrick Willis hung it up today at age 30, too, rather than endure more surgeries so that the 49ers might better rock. Their decisions may even point the way to combatting brain traumas, i.e., by the NFL limiting the number of seasons/games a player is eligible to perform. Guys like Peyton Manning would have to sign a waiver assuming all responsibility for future health issues in order to continue playing… Anyway, those two made the smart call, and more power to them for having made it.
WaterGirl
@raven: I know. I thought the very same thing. This must be “everything I know is wrong” day.
Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism
On poking into the history of smartphones a little more, I find that in 2009, the Blackberry was the only device with strong enough encryption to be used by the Federal government. I can’t find a date for Android, but the iPhone didn’t catch up until after 2010.
Things have changed so rapidly. There’s a shared-world alt history series that has a tech limiting date of 2000. It’s getting harder and harder to limit “what they know” to that distant past date. The editors are constantly having to say “But that wasn’t invented/discovered yet!”
Mnemosyne (iPhone)
@Sister Rail Gun of Warm Humanitarianism:
That’s part of what’s driving me a little nuts with this story — a LOT of people seem to be looking at 2015 technology and assuming it’s exactly the same as 2009 technology. It’s not.
grandpa john
@Elizabelle: It drowns it only because the media wants to drown it. They get to pick what they cover and we all see what they select.
grandpa john
@Amir Khalid: But it raises questions about bordering on sedition.